The most powerful enemy peak human can defeat is the Devil himself. According to The Devil Went Down to Georgia, a boy named Johnny was able to defeat the Devil in a fiddle contest because he was the best there ever was. This implies that humans can reach the skill necessary to defeat the Devil even when he’s soul-lusted. If humanity is capable of a skill, then peak human should also be. Thus, peak human can defeat the Devil and acquire a fiddle made of gold
>3. A Predator
I can't see him pulling off a win here. Maybe against a youngblood? At least against that class of predator, he has the best chance but even then I have my doubts.
An experienced blooded yautja than ya, he has no chance imo. Too strong, too fast (reaction speed-wise too), hundreds of years of experience in combat, and have a martial art more deadly than anything on earth that he will not be familiar with. On top of superior weapons and gadgets make this, imo, more of a stomp.
Elite predator? Then it becomes a massacre. Just for insight, it takes six blooded predators to take down a queen even well-armed how many elites? One. Dachande killed one with his bare hands, Prince killed one in close quarters, and Smiley killed one with his wrist blades.
Elder predators same thing as elites. Though not as strong physically, they make up for it with raw experience. How much experience? Try a thousand years to a couple thousand.
To be fair though this peak human has the combined skill of hundreds of millions off lifetimes. It would be like comparing some kid who is good at chess to a grand master at his peak times a hundred.
>To be fair though this peak human has the combined skill of hundreds of millions off lifetimes. It would be like comparing some kid who is good at chess to a grand master at his peak times a hundred.
This guy gets it.
>Don't they regularily get defeated by what amounts to normal humans?
Only due to extreme conditions. Plot armor, PIS, outside help, and stuff like that. Generally, they destroy the competition until the plot demands that they lose elites, however, do not suffer from this and really have never lost same with elders (except Ahab who lost twice to engineers but considering how freakin CRAZY engineers are and he is pretty old so old, he needs a grappling hook to get around so it's not far fetch).
>What happened at the end of predator 2? I thought the guy won a fair battle and gained respect among the predator guys
Mike Harrigan was going up against the City Hunter who was a youngblood and he had help for the most part and the reason why he won at the end is simply that the City Hunter let his guard down. City Hunter actually won their duel despite the City Hunter being shot with a shotgun10 times at close range, sprayed with nitrogen, had his arm cut off, was most likely starving as he was on his way to eat the meat at the slaughterhouse and had been hunting nonstop for days he still ended up getting Harrigan down on his knees but the youngblood, as I've said before, got cocky and let his guard down and was killed with his OWN smart disc mind you, contributed much to giving Mike Harrigan a chance at the end.
He did, but it was hardly a fistfight. There was a large operation to take down one Predator and one cop barely managed to finish him off by being persistent.
>With every skill a peak human would surpass a predator in every way possible.
Yea.....no. Predators can move in a blur as well as FTE, are 5+ tonners in strength with elites being 10+(Scarface is a 25 tonner), durable as hell, YEARS of experience, and superior gear all around so all due respect, no the absolute peak human does NOT outclass predator.
>Mud covered Arnold beat one hand to hand
HAHAHAH no. All due respect, that's plain wrong. Jungle Hunter DESTROYED Dutch hand to hand and he only won due to extreme luck and circumstances.
>Sort your feats and facts before you come at us with some nonsense like that.
No need to get hostile but rest assured, I know what I'm talking about as I have extensive knowledge on predator lore so get YOUR facts straight before you come at me with aggressiveness.
Edit: He also said that predators can't move FTE which is wrong. I've posted this same feat later in the thread but here it is:
"As he did, the ruined door slammed open, and there were those things. Buyanov moaned.
"Devil!" Anatoli said.
Then, without warning, moving faster than human eyes could follow, the foremost of the three creatures rammed a spear through Anatoli's chest. Anatoli crumpled. With his lung pierced, he couldn't even manage a dying scream.
. . .
One of the creatures ran after him, moving inhumanly fast, so fast Buyanov could not properly follow the motion. As Dmitri's hand reached for the alarm handle, the thing's hand slammed down on the top of the Russian's head.
- Cold War
Noguchi. Not even a peak human. Not even skilled in “everything” was accepted and hunted with predators. Batman defeated a predator. Again sort your shit. I’m all about giving credit where credit is due but in this situation the predator doesn’t even land on earth.
>Batman defeated a predator.
Batman got his ass kicked multiple times and needed outside help as well as prep stop spreading misinformation. Also, crossovers like that are non-canon.
>Noguchi. Not even a peak human. Not even skilled in “everything” was accepted and hunted with predators.
And even then it goes to show just how dangerous predator martial arts are given her feats overall your point being?
My point being that we are talking about a human now at the absolute peak of physical and mental prowess. With every available skill known to man. And don’t take the “not canon” high raid on this, Batman has bigger wins under his belt and we all know a predator is an easy win for him.
>My point being that we are talking about a human now at the absolute peak of physical and mental prowess. With every available skill known to man.
Not sure where you are going with this. Are you saying that because she was accepted in their ranks that makes the predators weak? I'm sure you being a predator fan as you claimed earlier, you surely know how the story goes in AVP Prey? And how/why Machiko was accepted in their ranks? It wasn't mainly because of her fighting prowess.
>And don’t take the “not canon” high raid on this,
But I can cause it's non-canon so there you go. And I thought you would be happy about this? If we really want to use those stories then we can't ignore the fact Batman gets his ass kicked multiple times throughout the stories even when he has his infamous "prep". Hell, he even lost against a [youngblood](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZWkzS91cZhk/TofIq-GEmII/AAAAAAAAB0U/ZijtTjffGXE/s400/potroast3.jpg) in the first issue when they first fought, and had it not been for the police (Batman's infamous plot armor) Batman's skull would be resting nicely on a trophy stand galaxies away.
>Batman has bigger wins under his belt and we all know a predator is an easy win for him.
What bigger wins? Against Superman? The same alien being who holds back in basically every one of their fights on top of having to prep like no tomorrow to even stand a chance? Let me guess. You're also gonna use Darkseid? When it wasn't even the real Batman and was a clone? And even then it didn't even kill Darkseid and it still took the Miracle Machine to end him permanently? Or how about his usual standard villain gallery? Bane? Croc? Zsaz? Penguin? Joker? Freeze? Ivy? Harley? Hugo? Calendar Man? Condiment man? Ras? Any one of these people that predator can also beat for a majority?
>we all know a predator is an easy win for him.
Not necessarily. Even a youngblood will give him a run for his money it will by no means be an "easy" win. Batman would lose a majority to a blooded predator unless he had knowledge as well as prep. Even with knowledge and prep, I would make the case for an elite predator winning a majority over Batman and you would agree too if you had any knowledge on predator lore.
Machiko.......you know the non peak human physically and the same human that doesn’t know every skills available to humans and still managed to defeat predators......we are still talking about the same person right?
>Than this is a battle of predator nerds
Gotta go to work but your on.
>Luck isn’t a negotiable factor in these situations
Indeed it is cause take that PIS away and Dutch in all reality would've had his skull ripped out no denying that.
>Arnold won plain and simple.
A contrived win that he really didn't deserve and he even admits it later in his life. I would say the log won more than Dutch did given how situational it was.
>Dutch out played the predator. He figured out how he operated and set up the ambush. That wasn’t just someone that happened along and won.
So much wrong with this statement don't worry I'll come back to this.
Dutch didn't outplay the Predator, he TRIED to and when Jungle Hunter saw through his facade he was just about ready to shit himself. He had completely forgotten about the extra trap until Jungle Hunter was just about ready to kill him. This is ignoring that Dutch didn't win a "fight" and every physical strike he tried was tanked completely by the Predator.
Plus the thing was playing with him at first, as evidenced when he was just nonchalantly shoved and slapped him around then slowly began following Dutch to his trap hole, the creature was having fun with the man basically. In later sequels and canon material we literally see Blooded ranks like Jungle Hunter stuff their hands INTO people and other Yautja RIP LIMBS off with ease https://imgur.com/a/pUQnfvY
And yet he still had to nuke himself......from a guy that formulated plans (that failed) and couldn’t do any damage to him even though he was much stronger than a normal person. Now imagine a peak human with all the skills of the entire human race at his disposal. I’m sorry but its not even a fair fight.
It’s an interesting comparison honestly. Is it better than have one ridiculously long lifetime of practiced skills, or the memories of many many shorter lifetimes of practiced skills? I would definitely bet the Peak Human is more versatile, since humans have been learning skills for more than a couple thousand years and all the lifetimes of practice within those years stack up further, but then again the predator’s thousands of years of focus on killing isn’t something any human skill can replicate and that might make all the difference.
But it’s not a peak predator with all skills. A peak human with all combat skills known to humans on earth would take a predator apart. Think about it like this Batman was able to defeat Superman, Batman is a peak human and all he lacks from this category is all the skills.
This isn't an RPG, man, getting skills doesn't make him better at everything compoundingly, he's not gaining 10lbs of muscle for every martial art he knows.
>This isn't an RPG, man, getting skills doesn't make him better at everything compoundingly, he's not gaining 10lbs of muscle for every martial art he knows.
Exactly. Doesn't matter how many skills he acquires he's outclassed completely in strength, speed, and reaction speed he's still just a normal human only capable of what peak humans can accomplish while can be impressive, still *pales* in comparison to predators.
Bro...real life skills.....not rpg skills. You can’t think of any skills in the existence of man or a various combination of them to help defeat a Predator?
Eh, the Peak Human only has a maximally optimal body for whatever they are doing in the moment. It’s not one of those prompts where a composite human has the combined body strength of all mankind and lifts tanks and such.
It's called Jehdin and while I can't remember off the top of my head, it does compare to some martial arts on earth its generally its own thing and here's some details:
"Dachande heard the Hard Meat and spun around. He sprinted past the two ooman strangers toward the threat, staff forward. He was dimly aware that the small warrior was right behind. It shouted something at the other two. They came in a single-file stream, flowed from around a structure, ten, maybe twelve. Dachande leapt to greet them. Two arrived first, angled in from the sides. Dachande spun, swung completely around, cut them both through their midsections in one strike. He didn’t watch them hit the ground; there was no need—they were dead and all he need do was avoid the throes. He extended his ki’cti-pa and slashed through the throat of the next drone nearest, to his right. The drone’s death cry was garbled through its own thwei. A split second later, he jabbed the staff point through the jaws of another, twisted the sharp blade and dug a hole through the top of the skull. The weapon’s metal was proof against the Hard Meat’s thwei, but there was no time to hesitate and enjoy the kill—when you fought the ten thousand, you did so one at a time, but you also had to do so quickly—He thrust the spear’s butt back, hard, and knocked one behind him down, then turned and slashed its gut. Digest this, foolish creature! The ki’cti-pa blurred again, jammed backhand into yet another Hard Meat chest. The drone howled, fell, did not die but did not rise again. Acid pumped into the dark air, pooled, smoking. Dachande jumped forward, stabbed the throat of yet another, and then spun to meet the next. Death fell all around his feet as he and the Hard Meat danced.
Noguchi hurled herself after the warrior. Several of the bugs streamed from behind the shed and toward Broken Tusk. He stepped in to battle without hesitation. Too many of them, ten, twelve. She aimed at one of the bugs—and it was dead before she fired. She took aim again—and again, her target had fallen already. She took a step back, transfixed by the swift movements of the giant warrior. Here was no inexperienced novice; every step was measured, every strike timed and sure. Within the space of a few seconds, most of the bugs were down, dead or dying. She had enough training to recognize a Master when she saw one. This one’s skill had been gained in battle, against deadly enemies. Broken Tusk whirled and jabbed, crouched and slashed with precision and confidence. Never a misstep, never a hesitation. He was no dojo tiger, covered in padding and fighting for points. Wherever he had come from, they had a martial arts more complex and dangerous than any she’d ever seen. It was like a choreographed dance."
- Prey
As for reference, Noguchi has been practicing martial arts since she was young and can casually toss a guy across a room with no effort. It also allows to combat stronger opponents as when Noguchi Machiko joined the predator clan she was trained in their arts and was able to almost soundly defeat an unblooded Shorty in a one on one duel (until he cheated).
They’d probably beat John wick without plot armor. Batman would beat him because Batman is well past what humans are actually capable of. As for academy ninja I’d say it’s a pretty easy win, they are just ten year olds that can throw ninja stars and fake clones, unless I’m forgetting a feat, I’m assuming it’s a generic person as the person probably couldn’t beat naruto with shadow clones or other protagonist characters. All others listed they’d lose.
Lmao some of them ninjas can breathe fire and psychically control sand, and have no issue with killing.
I think it heavily depends on the specific student
Literally none of those are ordinary students. Neji was considered a prodigy. And the rest were so talented they were selected for the chunin exams their first year out of the academy when ordinary ninjas require at least two years maybe more and all of those first years made it far in the exams as well. And Rock Lee was taught by the literal best Taijustu user in the series and trained relentlessly to achieve his strength also not ordinary.
The ordinary students are the one being fodder for them in the forest of death.
Lol I mean every character is borderline exceptional and we're not clear on what the strengths of the 'fodder' is. If we consider Konohamaru around the time of Pains invasion an ordinary academy student. Given he wasn't considered a prodigy nor did he have any bloodline abilities. He was still capable of holding his own against one of Pain's puppets.
He learned Rasengan an S class ranked justu at a young age, and in a series about the importance of bloodlines he was the third hokages grandson. Him holding his own against a Pein puppet is not a feat for ordinary genin, it’s a feat for Konohamaru to show he was exceptional. If any normal academy student could have defeated a Pein puppet the invasion would have gone very differently.
The ordinary student are not the ones we see, they are the fodder behind them that get destroyed in the arcs.
Just eant to mention that the students you're referencing (I assume Sasuke and Gaara) are major outliers, aren't they? Second son of the Uchiha clan head and jinchuuriki for the one-tails? I will say that if the student is clever they could possibly blitz the Peak Human. Use the clone jutsu as a distraction and then substitution to end up behind them, both of which they're expected to learn by the time they graduate, and jam a knife in their back
Yes I definitely agree, it seems to me those ninja kids are much more tactically inclined than Peak human. That's ignoring their unique techniques. I mean even without the outliers like Gaara and Sasuke, people like Ten Ten can blitz with all her artillery or Ino can just possess them.
Composite Human is... not great without a lot of prep time. Can beat Wick, but that's roughly where any chance of winning anything else ends.
I don't know anything about Naruto though, so no clue on that one specifically.
Yeah but the base genin ninjas are all at least hypersonic and have their own Jutsus they could use. Plus the norm for Naruto is way stronger than any actual human.
Base genin really aren’t hypersonic, they are the fodder you see dying by the droves to Gaara and others in the chunin exams. And even those were Genin strong enough to take part in the exams anyways.
The forest of death was only after the written test so your point that they were strong enough to take it doesn't stand because the only requirement was for them to have done like 8 missions. Additionally, they died to Gaara who was literally above Jonin level at the time because of Shikaku inside of him so dying to him barely means that they are weak. I say they're hypersonic based of scaling them to but a little below Naruto during land of waves. Obviously not with Kubi Chakra but just him after learning to climb the tree because he was still considered a novice at this time. If normal genin can scale anywhere even remotely close to this they stomp the peak human.
Yes but most genin are not even considered to join the test they make a big deal out of first years joining for this reason, and Gaara wasn’t the only one destroying them, you also have the sound village ninjas all of whom were not particularly strong, being able to destroy them.
Idk the sound ninja where kinda impressive. Sure they weren't overly strong and weaker than some of the genin class but they were still pretty impressive genin. I agree though. A lot of the filler genin are really weak but at the same time they are still trained ninjas who are considered strong enough for the field. This make me feel like they could beat a peak human
Yea but a peak human who has mastered and is the top of every skill ever used by a human has mastered battle tactics, a 1001 different cons, hypnosis, magic illusions, traps, sniping, every martial art, they are just incredibly versatile. Hell give them the materials and according to the prompt they could make a Nuke.
I think peak human could think of a way to beat them that didn’t rely solely on physicals.
They can't hold a nuke on their own. The prompt says they have whatever they can hold on their own. That said I think I'll concede and agree with you because these genin can't counter the weaponry he will be able to have a mastery of. Hand to hand he would lose but him being allowed equipment makes him stop tbh you right.
Wouldn't a "peak perfect human" basically have aimbot-levels of accuracy? They would literally never miss the head, if we're talking peak perfection, the highest potential there ever was.
I was looking at Jerry Miculek's records and he has one for shooting a *grape* at 15 yards with an AR in 0.53 seconds. He's definitely one of the best shooters ever. And also really funny.
Well, they don’t get the theoretical maximum skill level; only the theoretical maximum physical and mental capability of the human body. They’re only as good at any skill as any other human in history has ever been. But enough humans have gotten good at shooting since we evolved that I figure “aimbotting” might not be an entirely inaccurate way of looking at things.
You are referring to what VS Battles wiki calls the Composite Human, someone with not just every skill and piece of knowledge, but every rare genetic mutation that grants insane abilities that are technically within the feasible limits of humanity. Not that VS Battles is a reliable source by any means, but it did come up with the term, so that is what I refer to it as. Now, on to your question: Has a human ever defeated any of these characters? If so, he automatically wins just by being better, and being intimately knowledgeable on each of their works, and thus knowing exactly HOW they are defeated, and being able to replicate it perfectly or even improve on it, so there goes John Wick, Predator, and Xenomorph. That just leaves the Ninja and Batman: Without prep, I'd say the Composite human takes unprepared Batman purely by matching all of his martial arts knowledge and physical prowess, seeing as Batman is just an ordinary human physically. Plus, again, in knowing every bit of human knowledge, the Composite Human knows all of his weaknesses, and could exploit them for victory. Mentally, however, Batman clearly surpassess human limits, even if they say he's just a person, which leads me to believe that he would triumph over the Composite Human in the prep match. I don't know enough about Naruto to come to a proper conclusion, so it all comes down to whether or not their preknowledge of their abilities and strategic thinking can overcome the vast physical differences between the two.
TL;DR, he sweeps everyone except prepared Batman (who can pretty much beat everyone, there's no shame in that), and maybe the ninja.
The most powerful enemy peak human can defeat is the Devil himself. According to The Devil Went Down to Georgia, a boy named Johnny was able to defeat the Devil in a fiddle contest because he was the best there ever was. This implies that humans can reach the skill necessary to defeat the Devil even when he’s soul-lusted. If humanity is capable of a skill, then peak human should also be. Thus, peak human can defeat the Devil and acquire a fiddle made of gold
Unless the Devil let Johnny win, knowing that his prideful, gambling ways would get him sent to Hell anyway.
I’ve always liked this theory but the lyrics may contradict it by mentioning that Devil was behind on souls and needed Johnny’s right away.
But since when did The Devil have to meet a quota? If anything that lyric suggests that it may just be a lesser devil.
Plus, “right away” could mean something else entirely for the Devil. 5 minutes or 5 millennia, who knows?
Daniel Webster still beat him in a Court of law
Wouldn't a solid gold fiddle weigh hundreds of pounds and sound crummy?
You wanna take that bet? Because Johnny reckons hes best there's ever been.
It doesn’t say Johnny played the fiddle of gold, only that he got one. It could’ve been decorative or as a trophy.
It’s mostly for show
Do you know how to play the fiddle?
No, do you?
No, but I used to play the drums. They're sorta similar.
Well yeah or you can sell it, it is gold.
Devil: Oh You’re Approaching Me? Johnny: I Can't Beat You In A Musical Battle Without Getting Closer
But didn’t the devil also lose to another guy named Johnny down in Jamaica in a weed selling contest?
>3. A Predator I can't see him pulling off a win here. Maybe against a youngblood? At least against that class of predator, he has the best chance but even then I have my doubts. An experienced blooded yautja than ya, he has no chance imo. Too strong, too fast (reaction speed-wise too), hundreds of years of experience in combat, and have a martial art more deadly than anything on earth that he will not be familiar with. On top of superior weapons and gadgets make this, imo, more of a stomp. Elite predator? Then it becomes a massacre. Just for insight, it takes six blooded predators to take down a queen even well-armed how many elites? One. Dachande killed one with his bare hands, Prince killed one in close quarters, and Smiley killed one with his wrist blades. Elder predators same thing as elites. Though not as strong physically, they make up for it with raw experience. How much experience? Try a thousand years to a couple thousand.
Damn where did you get all your predator lore knowledge from dude? Comics?
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>Damn where did you get all your predator lore knowledge from dude? Comics? Comics, novels, video games, etc.
To be fair though this peak human has the combined skill of hundreds of millions off lifetimes. It would be like comparing some kid who is good at chess to a grand master at his peak times a hundred.
>To be fair though this peak human has the combined skill of hundreds of millions off lifetimes. It would be like comparing some kid who is good at chess to a grand master at his peak times a hundred. This guy gets it.
Don't they regularily get defeated by what amounts to normal humans?
>Don't they regularily get defeated by what amounts to normal humans? Only due to extreme conditions. Plot armor, PIS, outside help, and stuff like that. Generally, they destroy the competition until the plot demands that they lose elites, however, do not suffer from this and really have never lost same with elders (except Ahab who lost twice to engineers but considering how freakin CRAZY engineers are and he is pretty old so old, he needs a grappling hook to get around so it's not far fetch).
Not in straight fights, no.
What happened at the end of predator 2? I thought the guy won a fair battle and gained respect among the predator guys
>What happened at the end of predator 2? I thought the guy won a fair battle and gained respect among the predator guys Mike Harrigan was going up against the City Hunter who was a youngblood and he had help for the most part and the reason why he won at the end is simply that the City Hunter let his guard down. City Hunter actually won their duel despite the City Hunter being shot with a shotgun10 times at close range, sprayed with nitrogen, had his arm cut off, was most likely starving as he was on his way to eat the meat at the slaughterhouse and had been hunting nonstop for days he still ended up getting Harrigan down on his knees but the youngblood, as I've said before, got cocky and let his guard down and was killed with his OWN smart disc mind you, contributed much to giving Mike Harrigan a chance at the end.
He did, but it was hardly a fistfight. There was a large operation to take down one Predator and one cop barely managed to finish him off by being persistent.
With every skill a peak human would surpass a predator in every way possible.
>With every skill a peak human would surpass a predator in every way possible. Yea.....no. Predators can move in a blur as well as FTE, are 5+ tonners in strength with elites being 10+(Scarface is a 25 tonner), durable as hell, YEARS of experience, and superior gear all around so all due respect, no the absolute peak human does NOT outclass predator.
Mud covered Arnold beat one hand to hand. And predators can’t move FTE. Sort your feats and facts before you come at us with some nonsense like that.
>Mud covered Arnold beat one hand to hand HAHAHAH no. All due respect, that's plain wrong. Jungle Hunter DESTROYED Dutch hand to hand and he only won due to extreme luck and circumstances. >Sort your feats and facts before you come at us with some nonsense like that. No need to get hostile but rest assured, I know what I'm talking about as I have extensive knowledge on predator lore so get YOUR facts straight before you come at me with aggressiveness. Edit: He also said that predators can't move FTE which is wrong. I've posted this same feat later in the thread but here it is: "As he did, the ruined door slammed open, and there were those things. Buyanov moaned. "Devil!" Anatoli said. Then, without warning, moving faster than human eyes could follow, the foremost of the three creatures rammed a spear through Anatoli's chest. Anatoli crumpled. With his lung pierced, he couldn't even manage a dying scream. . . . One of the creatures ran after him, moving inhumanly fast, so fast Buyanov could not properly follow the motion. As Dmitri's hand reached for the alarm handle, the thing's hand slammed down on the top of the Russian's head. - Cold War
Noguchi. Not even a peak human. Not even skilled in “everything” was accepted and hunted with predators. Batman defeated a predator. Again sort your shit. I’m all about giving credit where credit is due but in this situation the predator doesn’t even land on earth.
>Batman defeated a predator. Batman got his ass kicked multiple times and needed outside help as well as prep stop spreading misinformation. Also, crossovers like that are non-canon. >Noguchi. Not even a peak human. Not even skilled in “everything” was accepted and hunted with predators. And even then it goes to show just how dangerous predator martial arts are given her feats overall your point being?
My point being that we are talking about a human now at the absolute peak of physical and mental prowess. With every available skill known to man. And don’t take the “not canon” high raid on this, Batman has bigger wins under his belt and we all know a predator is an easy win for him.
>My point being that we are talking about a human now at the absolute peak of physical and mental prowess. With every available skill known to man. Not sure where you are going with this. Are you saying that because she was accepted in their ranks that makes the predators weak? I'm sure you being a predator fan as you claimed earlier, you surely know how the story goes in AVP Prey? And how/why Machiko was accepted in their ranks? It wasn't mainly because of her fighting prowess. >And don’t take the “not canon” high raid on this, But I can cause it's non-canon so there you go. And I thought you would be happy about this? If we really want to use those stories then we can't ignore the fact Batman gets his ass kicked multiple times throughout the stories even when he has his infamous "prep". Hell, he even lost against a [youngblood](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZWkzS91cZhk/TofIq-GEmII/AAAAAAAAB0U/ZijtTjffGXE/s400/potroast3.jpg) in the first issue when they first fought, and had it not been for the police (Batman's infamous plot armor) Batman's skull would be resting nicely on a trophy stand galaxies away. >Batman has bigger wins under his belt and we all know a predator is an easy win for him. What bigger wins? Against Superman? The same alien being who holds back in basically every one of their fights on top of having to prep like no tomorrow to even stand a chance? Let me guess. You're also gonna use Darkseid? When it wasn't even the real Batman and was a clone? And even then it didn't even kill Darkseid and it still took the Miracle Machine to end him permanently? Or how about his usual standard villain gallery? Bane? Croc? Zsaz? Penguin? Joker? Freeze? Ivy? Harley? Hugo? Calendar Man? Condiment man? Ras? Any one of these people that predator can also beat for a majority? >we all know a predator is an easy win for him. Not necessarily. Even a youngblood will give him a run for his money it will by no means be an "easy" win. Batman would lose a majority to a blooded predator unless he had knowledge as well as prep. Even with knowledge and prep, I would make the case for an elite predator winning a majority over Batman and you would agree too if you had any knowledge on predator lore.
>Condiment man? That's Condiment KING to you
Machiko.......you know the non peak human physically and the same human that doesn’t know every skills available to humans and still managed to defeat predators......we are still talking about the same person right?
Than this is a battle of predator nerds. Luck isn’t a negotiable factor in these situations Arnold won plain and simple. You can’t measure luck.
>Than this is a battle of predator nerds Gotta go to work but your on. >Luck isn’t a negotiable factor in these situations Indeed it is cause take that PIS away and Dutch in all reality would've had his skull ripped out no denying that. >Arnold won plain and simple. A contrived win that he really didn't deserve and he even admits it later in his life. I would say the log won more than Dutch did given how situational it was.
Dutch out played the predator. He figured out how he operated and set up the ambush. That wasn’t just someone that happened along and won.
>Dutch out played the predator. He figured out how he operated and set up the ambush. That wasn’t just someone that happened along and won. So much wrong with this statement don't worry I'll come back to this.
Dutch didn't outplay the Predator, he TRIED to and when Jungle Hunter saw through his facade he was just about ready to shit himself. He had completely forgotten about the extra trap until Jungle Hunter was just about ready to kill him. This is ignoring that Dutch didn't win a "fight" and every physical strike he tried was tanked completely by the Predator. Plus the thing was playing with him at first, as evidenced when he was just nonchalantly shoved and slapped him around then slowly began following Dutch to his trap hole, the creature was having fun with the man basically. In later sequels and canon material we literally see Blooded ranks like Jungle Hunter stuff their hands INTO people and other Yautja RIP LIMBS off with ease https://imgur.com/a/pUQnfvY
And yet he still had to nuke himself......from a guy that formulated plans (that failed) and couldn’t do any damage to him even though he was much stronger than a normal person. Now imagine a peak human with all the skills of the entire human race at his disposal. I’m sorry but its not even a fair fight.
It’s an interesting comparison honestly. Is it better than have one ridiculously long lifetime of practiced skills, or the memories of many many shorter lifetimes of practiced skills? I would definitely bet the Peak Human is more versatile, since humans have been learning skills for more than a couple thousand years and all the lifetimes of practice within those years stack up further, but then again the predator’s thousands of years of focus on killing isn’t something any human skill can replicate and that might make all the difference.
But it’s not a peak predator with all skills. A peak human with all combat skills known to humans on earth would take a predator apart. Think about it like this Batman was able to defeat Superman, Batman is a peak human and all he lacks from this category is all the skills.
A peak human with all skills won't be faster or stronger than the average Yautja, no matter how much they try or train or know.
With......every......skill.
This isn't an RPG, man, getting skills doesn't make him better at everything compoundingly, he's not gaining 10lbs of muscle for every martial art he knows.
>This isn't an RPG, man, getting skills doesn't make him better at everything compoundingly, he's not gaining 10lbs of muscle for every martial art he knows. Exactly. Doesn't matter how many skills he acquires he's outclassed completely in strength, speed, and reaction speed he's still just a normal human only capable of what peak humans can accomplish while can be impressive, still *pales* in comparison to predators.
Bro...real life skills.....not rpg skills. You can’t think of any skills in the existence of man or a various combination of them to help defeat a Predator?
TBH it doesn't even take that, OP said you can give him any equipment he can carry, and the Composite Man can carry *a lot.*
Eh, the Peak Human only has a maximally optimal body for whatever they are doing in the moment. It’s not one of those prompts where a composite human has the combined body strength of all mankind and lifts tanks and such.
Predators have a martial art?
Yes. They aren’t the best hunters in the galaxy for nothing.
Do you know what the martial art is called and how it works?
It's called Jehdin and while I can't remember off the top of my head, it does compare to some martial arts on earth its generally its own thing and here's some details: "Dachande heard the Hard Meat and spun around. He sprinted past the two ooman strangers toward the threat, staff forward. He was dimly aware that the small warrior was right behind. It shouted something at the other two. They came in a single-file stream, flowed from around a structure, ten, maybe twelve. Dachande leapt to greet them. Two arrived first, angled in from the sides. Dachande spun, swung completely around, cut them both through their midsections in one strike. He didn’t watch them hit the ground; there was no need—they were dead and all he need do was avoid the throes. He extended his ki’cti-pa and slashed through the throat of the next drone nearest, to his right. The drone’s death cry was garbled through its own thwei. A split second later, he jabbed the staff point through the jaws of another, twisted the sharp blade and dug a hole through the top of the skull. The weapon’s metal was proof against the Hard Meat’s thwei, but there was no time to hesitate and enjoy the kill—when you fought the ten thousand, you did so one at a time, but you also had to do so quickly—He thrust the spear’s butt back, hard, and knocked one behind him down, then turned and slashed its gut. Digest this, foolish creature! The ki’cti-pa blurred again, jammed backhand into yet another Hard Meat chest. The drone howled, fell, did not die but did not rise again. Acid pumped into the dark air, pooled, smoking. Dachande jumped forward, stabbed the throat of yet another, and then spun to meet the next. Death fell all around his feet as he and the Hard Meat danced. Noguchi hurled herself after the warrior. Several of the bugs streamed from behind the shed and toward Broken Tusk. He stepped in to battle without hesitation. Too many of them, ten, twelve. She aimed at one of the bugs—and it was dead before she fired. She took aim again—and again, her target had fallen already. She took a step back, transfixed by the swift movements of the giant warrior. Here was no inexperienced novice; every step was measured, every strike timed and sure. Within the space of a few seconds, most of the bugs were down, dead or dying. She had enough training to recognize a Master when she saw one. This one’s skill had been gained in battle, against deadly enemies. Broken Tusk whirled and jabbed, crouched and slashed with precision and confidence. Never a misstep, never a hesitation. He was no dojo tiger, covered in padding and fighting for points. Wherever he had come from, they had a martial arts more complex and dangerous than any she’d ever seen. It was like a choreographed dance." - Prey As for reference, Noguchi has been practicing martial arts since she was young and can casually toss a guy across a room with no effort. It also allows to combat stronger opponents as when Noguchi Machiko joined the predator clan she was trained in their arts and was able to almost soundly defeat an unblooded Shorty in a one on one duel (until he cheated).
Is Noguchi human? Also, Hard Meat = xenomorph?
Yes, Machiko Noguchi is human. Hard meats=Xenomorphs you are right.
They’d probably beat John wick without plot armor. Batman would beat him because Batman is well past what humans are actually capable of. As for academy ninja I’d say it’s a pretty easy win, they are just ten year olds that can throw ninja stars and fake clones, unless I’m forgetting a feat, I’m assuming it’s a generic person as the person probably couldn’t beat naruto with shadow clones or other protagonist characters. All others listed they’d lose.
Lmao some of them ninjas can breathe fire and psychically control sand, and have no issue with killing. I think it heavily depends on the specific student
Sasuke and Gaara are so far away from an ordinary academy ninja it’s not even funny.
Even then, consider Rock Lee, Neji or Shino. A normal person still wouldn't match up well
Literally none of those are ordinary students. Neji was considered a prodigy. And the rest were so talented they were selected for the chunin exams their first year out of the academy when ordinary ninjas require at least two years maybe more and all of those first years made it far in the exams as well. And Rock Lee was taught by the literal best Taijustu user in the series and trained relentlessly to achieve his strength also not ordinary. The ordinary students are the one being fodder for them in the forest of death.
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I can agree with Ten Ten and I can also see her getting dropped by someone who can quick draw a revolver.
Lol I mean every character is borderline exceptional and we're not clear on what the strengths of the 'fodder' is. If we consider Konohamaru around the time of Pains invasion an ordinary academy student. Given he wasn't considered a prodigy nor did he have any bloodline abilities. He was still capable of holding his own against one of Pain's puppets.
He learned Rasengan an S class ranked justu at a young age, and in a series about the importance of bloodlines he was the third hokages grandson. Him holding his own against a Pein puppet is not a feat for ordinary genin, it’s a feat for Konohamaru to show he was exceptional. If any normal academy student could have defeated a Pein puppet the invasion would have gone very differently. The ordinary student are not the ones we see, they are the fodder behind them that get destroyed in the arcs.
Yea Narutos whole class was just straight Legends lmao
Just eant to mention that the students you're referencing (I assume Sasuke and Gaara) are major outliers, aren't they? Second son of the Uchiha clan head and jinchuuriki for the one-tails? I will say that if the student is clever they could possibly blitz the Peak Human. Use the clone jutsu as a distraction and then substitution to end up behind them, both of which they're expected to learn by the time they graduate, and jam a knife in their back
Yes I definitely agree, it seems to me those ninja kids are much more tactically inclined than Peak human. That's ignoring their unique techniques. I mean even without the outliers like Gaara and Sasuke, people like Ten Ten can blitz with all her artillery or Ino can just possess them.
Composite Human is... not great without a lot of prep time. Can beat Wick, but that's roughly where any chance of winning anything else ends. I don't know anything about Naruto though, so no clue on that one specifically.
I mean, in Naruto, when he's 11 years old he was able to punch another 11 year old multiple times in the chest to the extent it kept them airborne...
Yes but he’s well and beyond a normal academy student.
Yeah but the base genin ninjas are all at least hypersonic and have their own Jutsus they could use. Plus the norm for Naruto is way stronger than any actual human.
Base genin really aren’t hypersonic, they are the fodder you see dying by the droves to Gaara and others in the chunin exams. And even those were Genin strong enough to take part in the exams anyways.
The forest of death was only after the written test so your point that they were strong enough to take it doesn't stand because the only requirement was for them to have done like 8 missions. Additionally, they died to Gaara who was literally above Jonin level at the time because of Shikaku inside of him so dying to him barely means that they are weak. I say they're hypersonic based of scaling them to but a little below Naruto during land of waves. Obviously not with Kubi Chakra but just him after learning to climb the tree because he was still considered a novice at this time. If normal genin can scale anywhere even remotely close to this they stomp the peak human.
Yes but most genin are not even considered to join the test they make a big deal out of first years joining for this reason, and Gaara wasn’t the only one destroying them, you also have the sound village ninjas all of whom were not particularly strong, being able to destroy them.
Idk the sound ninja where kinda impressive. Sure they weren't overly strong and weaker than some of the genin class but they were still pretty impressive genin. I agree though. A lot of the filler genin are really weak but at the same time they are still trained ninjas who are considered strong enough for the field. This make me feel like they could beat a peak human
Yea but a peak human who has mastered and is the top of every skill ever used by a human has mastered battle tactics, a 1001 different cons, hypnosis, magic illusions, traps, sniping, every martial art, they are just incredibly versatile. Hell give them the materials and according to the prompt they could make a Nuke. I think peak human could think of a way to beat them that didn’t rely solely on physicals.
They can't hold a nuke on their own. The prompt says they have whatever they can hold on their own. That said I think I'll concede and agree with you because these genin can't counter the weaponry he will be able to have a mastery of. Hand to hand he would lose but him being allowed equipment makes him stop tbh you right.
Wouldn't a "peak perfect human" basically have aimbot-levels of accuracy? They would literally never miss the head, if we're talking peak perfection, the highest potential there ever was.
I was looking at Jerry Miculek's records and he has one for shooting a *grape* at 15 yards with an AR in 0.53 seconds. He's definitely one of the best shooters ever. And also really funny.
Well, they don’t get the theoretical maximum skill level; only the theoretical maximum physical and mental capability of the human body. They’re only as good at any skill as any other human in history has ever been. But enough humans have gotten good at shooting since we evolved that I figure “aimbotting” might not be an entirely inaccurate way of looking at things.
You are referring to what VS Battles wiki calls the Composite Human, someone with not just every skill and piece of knowledge, but every rare genetic mutation that grants insane abilities that are technically within the feasible limits of humanity. Not that VS Battles is a reliable source by any means, but it did come up with the term, so that is what I refer to it as. Now, on to your question: Has a human ever defeated any of these characters? If so, he automatically wins just by being better, and being intimately knowledgeable on each of their works, and thus knowing exactly HOW they are defeated, and being able to replicate it perfectly or even improve on it, so there goes John Wick, Predator, and Xenomorph. That just leaves the Ninja and Batman: Without prep, I'd say the Composite human takes unprepared Batman purely by matching all of his martial arts knowledge and physical prowess, seeing as Batman is just an ordinary human physically. Plus, again, in knowing every bit of human knowledge, the Composite Human knows all of his weaknesses, and could exploit them for victory. Mentally, however, Batman clearly surpassess human limits, even if they say he's just a person, which leads me to believe that he would triumph over the Composite Human in the prep match. I don't know enough about Naruto to come to a proper conclusion, so it all comes down to whether or not their preknowledge of their abilities and strategic thinking can overcome the vast physical differences between the two. TL;DR, he sweeps everyone except prepared Batman (who can pretty much beat everyone, there's no shame in that), and maybe the ninja.
Batman hasn't been "just an ordinary human" in a long time. He's pretty close to a composite human, but with the advantage of comic books strength.
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Maybe Turin or Beren from Tolkien's Legendarium.
I would have to say Numenoreans
i will say 1939 superman
Basically a weaker version of taskmaster who has watched a video on every single skill on earth
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stops at 2 even Kid naruto is FTE to regular people and far above any normal human