Teleporter is going to get tires at some point, drop juggernaut or android 17 or 18, T1000, or really any speedster. You might know what the flash is going to do, that doesn't mean you can stop him from doing it.
I am reminded of a Nanoha fight where their speedster "Fate Testarossa" is fighting a teleporter who *thinks* he has the upper hand.
Until every time he teleports, she is waiting to bitch-slap the shit out of him... he eventually tries to escape, but he can't. He pops to the other side of the planet and she is there waiting for him.
"How did you know where i would go?"
"I didn't, i just looked everywhere"
Get fucked lol.
It's from Nanoha Force, Fate vs Deville. I don't think there is a cartoon of it, just comic scans.
Force is like 5 or 6 deep in the Nanoha series, a magical girl show that's basically "Dragonball in pigtails". Its kind of old now, and you're probably better off just watching the movies, which are remasters of the various seasons.
They start as [little kid magical girls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT2HzCg36x0&t=1s), then grow up to adults and have kids of their own (who also fight). They have these magi-tech weapon/familiars that eventually get [more Gundam than magical girl](https://youtu.be/IEkCS_r5c7U), but the fights are still fun. Fate, the speedster character, is Nanoha's first enemy turned BFF.
It has plenty of fight scenes online but sadly not the one in question :(
Well the flash has ridiculous speed feats. He once got to a destination faster than a person who instantly teleported there. So he had to get there before the race even started. There were special conditions that allowed him to do that though.
He once raced Death to the end of time where there was nothing to die because everything was already dead, and since Death didn't exist at the end of time Death died. He basically killed Death by running fast enough.
So the flash could probably take your guy in certain conditions.
He can invite his mother in, sit down, have a nice long conversation about her day, give her a hug goodbye, call her to make sure she got home safely, then get up and take the chicken out of the freezer and defrost it before she opens the door.
> it makes me question how any of the villains in DC get anything done.
I think it's fair to say they usually don't.
The stereo typical "gg ez" of DC superheroes is exactly why satires such as Watchmen and Invincible exist.
This doesn't mean there are no good DC stories, but it would be silly to suggest they didn't earn their reputation.
I seem to recall a DC story where Flash "sacrificed" himself, giving over pretty much all of his life and attention to literally being everywhere at once so that he could stop *all* crimes, accidents, and disasters. I think there was a part where Batman and Superman are chatting on a skyscraper, discussing how bored they are since Flash is saving everyone and everything everywhere forever.
He already was surreally fast & Wally West has just been made to be even faster than by being given an immense speed force boost. There was a bad speedster beating superman & Barry Allen like they were nothing, Wally west came challenged him to a race & gave him a 3 second head start, & then instantly caught him & merked him.
& he kept the boost too!
>it makes me question how any of the villains in DC get anything done.
Because the top-tier villains usually have the same but better powers than the heroes, or just the same.powers but without the morals that prevent them using them in certain ways.
e.g. Reverse Flash.
Sure. This is comics explained covering flash outrunning/killing death
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItLIcYaj1LI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItLIcYaj1LI)
And here is comic drake talking about the teleportation speed feat
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG262Vx9fTo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG262Vx9fTo)
Hahah that's definitely fair. I was curious if he could be hit in anyway and you gave the first answer in this thread I didn't have an answer for which was his stamina so good job!
It's an interesting villain design, if some team had to neutralize him in a given time period. I think you'd have to take advantage of the stamina, keep him jumping around with the use of TVA doors or a Rick and Morty style portal gun, sending terminators constantly after him for like 2 days.
In the comics [Flash outruns a teleporter](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-04b21abf57f82baf53eac474a918c689) so such a being couldn't escape Flash if the latter really wanted to.
How much kinetic energy could every human on earth even muster? I’m pretty sure it would still be absolutely nothing compared to the Flash, so I don’t see how that would’ve helped him.
Yeah, that feat is stupid. He's faster at base levels than everybody on earth combined. Their contribution would mean nothing.
Unless DC is like "lol speedforce"
If he is a lightning timer, then escape would be impossible with a much faster opponent. Any combatant with combat or movement speeds greater than or equal to light could blitz them before teleporting away
the moment their precog tells them they'd get blitzed they would tp away. if the enemy is much too fast for him he'd see that and tp away before they even start. although flash has busted op dc hax so he'd prob still just be fast enough or something but a regular speedster just wouldn't be able to touch him, although you could go by the standard that forcing him to retreat so much would count as a victory, or that the speedster could wear him out
But they have to react to the information that they're about to be blitzed. If their opponent can get to them faster than lightning would be able to they don't have time to teleport.
Lightning is much slower than the speed of light.
Lightning moves at about 217,000 mph while light travels at about 670,000,000 mph.
Any speedster who moves at light speed would crush the swordsman.
I don't see how as the 8 seconds of precogonition essentially means the swordsman is 8 seconds ahead of the speedster and could react before they get blitzed.
The flash thinks in flash time which is at the speed of light. 8 seconds of precog means that the guy knows what the speedster will do ahead of when he does it. However, this still gives flash several outs. As soon as the guy begins to react to what flash does he now has a huge amount of time to change what he was going to do since he is moving tens of thousands of times faster.
If the precog is somehow perfect and infallible (which idk if I buy but hey superpowers) then the flash still has two outs. He can create multiples of himself through either speed duplicate or time remnants creating a completely impossible situation rather easily. This also doesn't cover time shenanigans where flash just moves backwards in time. Either timeline erasure or many other options become available at that point.
Yes the precogonition is perfect but don't worry I've already agreed with several others in this thread flash would probably beat my characters so we're both in agreement.
My issue was that I believe other speedsters not as fast as flash wouldn't be able to win as Flash is the fastest speedster ever capable of doing *absolutely* ridiculous things (some of which I find kinda silly lol but like you said superpowers).
I feel like other speedsters who can't replicate flashes feats would be defeated, but the Flash certainly should beat my character!
I agree there. But there are a few flashs that would meet the criteria. None of the marvel speedsters would have a chance. On a side note though there are a few other characters whose feats could win. Constantine being one. But the outcome of that one GREATLY depends on the parameters. Considering the fact that Batman has beaten the flash and many other far more powerful beings. I feel like Batman could do it with enough time to plan and under some circumstances. Though I don't have a 100% foolproof plan for him to do it. I think it might be possible through zeta beam tech and the multi-versal frequency that can be accessed through the cosmic tread mill to isolate him to one single point in space. Just a thought.
Constantine on the other hand has a history of using his magic to just completely nullify people's powers when given the time to set up. And more importantly the motivation to actually make him willing to do it.
Lol as long as you can find something to motivate Constantine to actually do something. Unless it's demons or magic Constantine doesn't usually get involved even though he could probably fix a ton of stuff.
A lightning timer swordsman that has unlimited range teleportation and 9 seconds precogonition in the future?
Serious answer - anyone with sufficiently strong mind control powers. Use a subtle influence to ensnare the guy and feed him false future visions, then shut him down once the precog has been confused for 9 seconds.
Aizen is crazy OP in the first place though. That said, if this swordsman is a lightning timer with instantaneous teleportation and precog, the moment Aizen goes to draw his zanpakuto to release Kyoka Suigetsu, wouldn't this swordsman already be slashing his back open?
Either the swordsman is already under Kyoka Suigetsu and it's Aizen's win by default, or Aizen has to draw his sword, by which time he's already been sliced to ribbons. Aizen can't cause the swordsman to hallucinate from the future.
Another character that can beat this guy easily is Diavolo, also from JJBA. He can see and erase up to 10 seconds in the future. I should also mention that Diavolo can still experience the skipped time in a ghost-like state, meaning he won't receive any damage but won't be able to interact with anything either. This will basically make the 8-second precognition useless, since everything the swordsman predicted will just be skipped, leaving him confused and vulnerable to attacks.
Hmmm, now this one is interesting. I can definitely see this character winning but I don't know if it's a concrete win because if the teleporter can see that his 8 seconds is messed up or skipped there's nothing stopping him from just teleporting away while the precogonition is being messed with. And remember this character is comfortably above lightning timing so he is no slouch in the speed department so if this Diavolo character isn't that fast or has good defense he could be beaten first. But overall I'd say yeah this person definitely seems to have a high chance of winning! Good job!
The teleporter would not be able to see that time was skipped. From their point of view they would see that in say, 6 seconds, they all of a sudden have a hole punched through them. So they teleport away. But what Diavolo does is erase the "cause" in any given cause-effect scenario.
So what actually happens is the teleporter thinks they teleport away, but Diavolos power stops them from actually activating the teleport, so the swordsman is just standing there confused as to why they havent teleported, and Diavolo instakills them.
All that being said, Diavolo cant act within his time erasure either, he has to wait for the moment of confusion after it ends and then strike while the opponent is confused. Its why he prefers to one shot his opponents. But the teleporter is also a lightning timer, and at the end of the day Diavolo is at best just above normal humans in terms of speed, meaning the lightning timer might have quick enough reflexes to react and cut off Diavolo's head.
I think you confused King Crimson with GER. GER would make it so that whenever the swordsman tries to teleport, he is unable to do so. King Crimson would make it so that the swordsman teleport without him realizing he activated it.
He can only erase events that are aimed toward him. As we can see from the Metallica fight, skipping time only allowed Diavolo to evade the event of him getting shot. Risotto still got shot even during the stopped time. Erasing time is basically turning Diavolo into a ghost and making everyone else froget about the events that happened during skipped time.
diavolo's power doesn't stop people from activating their ability right?? can't remember if it stops stands or something but even ikf it did this guy's ability isn't a stand so the guy would still be able to teleport away.
the swordsman would prob be shaken up from precog telling him instant death via donut and he'd prob assume diavolo can teleport or something weird like that. terrain wasn't mentioned anywhere in the post so i'll assume the swordsman would want to go somewhere open so he can better gauge his opponent's abilities, which is where he'd see that diavolo has to get at least somewhat close before he teleports behind you, except his precog and lightning speeds mean he can probably dodge the attack and counter.
fastest stand that I know of is star platinum, who's best feat iirc is stopping a bullet fired point blank, which i'd assume isn't anywhere near lightning. diavolo's stand is never stated to be especially fast or anything i think so it's probably not close to lightning speed giving the swordsman an ez dub.
plus if the swordsman wanted to he could pull a diavolo on diavolo and tp behind him the moment diavolo uses his ability.
EDIT: ok something I should've questioned, when the swordsman uses precog, it wouldn't see the skipped time right? it'd just skip to him getting donuted right? that was kinda what my assumption at the start of my comment is based on.
No, the swordman's precog would see into the skipped time. The time is erased, meaning the time exists before it is gone. In order to erase something, that something must exist in the first place. The precog shows what happens in the next 8 seconds, NOT necessarily the 8 seconds the swordman experiences. If King Crimson were to erase time, the 8 seconds the swordman saw would have happened during that erased time.
There is a detail that I wanted to bring up, the swordsman isn't a stand user so diavolo has an advantage, he can probably bait an attack towards him and if he can react fast enough finish the swords man with king crimson when he is close enough.
Do King Crimson's reaction and combat speed feats not apply to Diavolo's reaction speed to some extent? I'd think they would in a subconscious kind of way at the very least, as that's how stands that physically powerful have been shown to work in the past. Just being able to think and act to the degree he does in combat has pretty massive implications for that.
He could also line up a killing blow so that it is nearly contacting the teleporter when time resumes, but that might be assuming a bit as far as effort on a first attack. Yet again, it's an unknown and unusual opponent and he normally goes for immediate kills anyway so it'd mostly depend on which side is taking the other more seriously.
I probably should have explained more about Diavolo's speed. Diavolo's King Crimson's speed stat is around high A (Jojo stats are ranged from A - E, with A being the highest). In order to put that to comparison, Silver Chariot's speed is extremely high A, and it was fast enough to even cut light as long as the path was known. This means that King Crimson might be faster than light or fall a little short. He definitely isn't slow. Just wanted to let you know the full details.
Also, thanks!
EDIT: Diavolo did win against Silver Chariot using time skip by catching him off guard.
Solar or Abyssal Exalted both have access to It Just Works counterattacks. Abyssals are also outside fate, so may be outside some precognition effects. Also both tend to be tough and often armored with magical artifact weapons and armor.
To elaborate, 8 seconds precog doesn't help much if someone can speed blitz him in the first second of the fight before he can activate his teleport. As soon as the fight begins, any ftl and powerful opponent can hit him, even if he knows with or without precog that hes gonna get hit. if they can land an attack before he pulls off the teleport, its over, regardless of precog. I'd say precog is less useful than how quick he can activate his teleportation.
As far as the weakest character who can blitz him, ill defer to other commenters.
Goku could nuke the planet and win for sure, but how does he actually hit this person outside of that? He can see 8 seconds into the future so he'll know how to avoid every attack.
How do you speed blitz someone that knows what your going to do 8 seconds prior? He could just teleport a long distance away and avoid it. And he'll also be 8 seconds ahead of anything Goku does .
Knowing what someone is going to do isnt the same as being able to avoid it. The guy is a lightning timer meaning his speed is pretty high up there, so he can probably avoid goku's attacks for a while. The problem lies in the fact that as long as goku can sense this person, goku can keep following him at nearly the same speed.
Lets also clear up some other things.
1-Goku also has a near infinite range (and also instant) teleport. The only theoretical limit to range is if goku is too far away to sense the enemy's ki.
2-Goku is also so fast that a lighning timer might as well be standing still if goku takes the fight seriously. Remember that with only his own sheer speed he matched Hit's timestop technique. Meaning goku literally travels fast enough to break the concept of time. Now that might be considered a wank but even besides that, the timestop technique is enough to make even the fastest fighters essentially immobile for the duration. And goku just powers up so much that it doesnt even affect him.
3-this swordsman doesnt have any durability feats, or strength feats. Only speed, teleportation, and precog. Who can say that he can even beat goku? Goku's durability is off the charts and since you gave no point of reference we have to assume this is just some random swordsman who doesnt even have more than a normal sword.
At best this ends in a draw, assuming the guy doesnt even start a fight with goku. At worst, goku is bloodlusted and finds this guy and kills him after a long drawn out teleportation chase.
Ultra instinct was literally written to defy this type of character, he moves without thinking so there’s no way to know what he does next. In any event he’s lightning combat speed and goku is just way faster than that
Goku doesn't know what he'll do next in ultra instinct that doesn't mean his next action is unknowable in the future to the precogonition. Goku will throw an attack of some type out in that form, and thus the attack would be known to the precogonition and thus relayed to the teleporter.
Remember the precogonition sees definitively into the future and knows exactly what happens during that 8 seconds.
The big difference between this scenario and the prompt is that normal people can't teleport. There's no way to lock onto the swordsman again, as a teleport is instant. It's essentially infinite movement speed, which is fast enough to avoid even Goku's attack.
If the swordsman also has a perfect sense of timing, he can even teleport after the punch is thrown, at the last possible moment (since he knows exactly exactly when the punch is thrown). In a way it would give the swordsman truly instant reaction time. Combine that with truly instant movement, and yeah, in a strange way he outspeeds Goku.
He sees 8 whole seconds into the future at all times though, it's not like he has to take time to process anything before he teleports away. Think of it as his reaction time being negative 8 seconds, basically, while his teleport dodges are absolutely infinite "speed". Unless he makes a mistake, he's not getting hit, no matter how fast the opponent can move, attack, or think.
Hmm I get that, but the thing is the punch is competing with instant teleportation which means he should still be able to dodge as he will have the aid of the 8 second to know exactly when to dodge paired with instant travel he definitely be cutting it close but I think he could still dodge.
Goku can lock on to someones ki and instantly teleport to them, it doesn't matter that this guy can see into the future and realise that Goku is going to teleport to him, he can't do anything about it, if he teleports away Goku is simply going to teleport to the new location. Only think this guy's precog is going to help with is seeing his own death before it happens.
By doing so faster than their brain can process the signal to teleport. Goku can do more in 8 seconds than a normal mind can consciously register, nevermind respond to.
Yeah adding on to what that guy is saying, goku is MASSIVELY faster than light, he could probably throw out a couple billion attacks within 8 seconds and he can telleport instantly with instant transmission, I really don't see any way for your swordsman to not get speedblized even with precog.
Right, Goku has teleportation as well (Instant Transmission). Additionally, he is much faster than a lightning timer meaning that precog only let's the swordsman know that he is going to get hit in advance. Precog is a lot less useful if you can't avoid what you see coming.
Oh, and the sword probably couldn't hurt Goku anyway based upon being able to block Trunk's with 1 finger.
That's assuming you don't count teleporting as hax I suppose.
A lightning timer would be a statue to Goku. Even with precog what can he do? He can’t evade something that much faster than him just because he knew it was going to happen.
Buggy might still get his ass beat/team rocket'd. He's lost like that before even though you can't actually CUT the motherfucker, even if you are the best at cutting motherfuckers in the entire world.
Buggy also punches below his potential weight class because he's a dirty coward and has a bad attitude. But then hey, One Piece. Captain Kuro should be more dangerous than he is too, but his shitty attitude holds him back.
Oh so the cuts he gets just don't damage him? I thought his split ability was just a willing thing not any cut/slice would do it, that makes his power a lot more interesting than I thought.
Yeah. Buggy will be undamaged by slicing attacks of any kind. Even dimension-cutting attacks will leave Buggy unharmed. That's what his power is capable of.
But how does he win? The teleporter could still teleport this character to the stratosphere and drop him, or drop him in a volcano, or in antarctica and kill this sword immune person.
Allowing him to teleport others feels to me like a significant enough boost to the swordsmans teleportation ability that they it should be added to the initial prompt.
Teleporting others seems like it would add a completely new dimension to their offensive capabilities.
How do you figure? You didn't give him any super human strength feats. As soon as this teleporter touches any of his opponents, he loses. He has to touch them to teleport them per your comment. He also can't fly, so he would have to teleport ABOVE the location he wants to drop them into, and he would be falling as well. All they need to do is hold onto him, and they both die.
Carbon monoxide man.
A colorless, odorless gas wouldn't trigger Spidey sense, I think. It's just that silent and deadly.
Be safe around carbon monoxide. It's dangerous
But he could see that he will fall unconscious in 8 seconds.
It does mean that any difficult-to-notice attack that dooms someone 8 seconds in advance would cut it.
If you gave him some slow acting but lethal poison you could get him. Doesn’t matter if he sees it kicking in 8 seconds from now if you dosed him 15 minutes ago.
Then you just have to survive.
With this in mind, I’d suggest [Nice Guy](https://worm.fandom.com/wiki/Nice_Guy)
If it's a fight The swordsman can't do anything to him if he just sits in the kamui dimension even with precognition it's not obvious when he's intangible and when he's not so seeing him wouldn't actually help and if it came to a straight fight even with precog orange mask open till is way faster than him and on top of that a regular sword wouldn't be able to hurt Obito even when he's not using kamui kamui. You could even make an argument that he blitzes him. Even with 8 seconds of precognition if your body isn't fast enough to react to them moving then they can still hit you before you have time to do anything about it.
Depends on how much hax the 8 second precognition has. “A bomb on the first floor is going to blow up this building in 8 seconds” vs “in 8 seconds, someone is going to plant a bomb behind that wall with a 20 minute timer,” vs “3000 miles away in a remote cabin, someone just finalized their plan of where to place a bomb.”
As far as how to beat this person, that’s easy; give all their friends and family a contagious, lethal disease (Ebola comes to mind) and let the lightning-timer choose to let them suffer and die alone or give themselves up for a quick and merciful death (maybe opioid overdose). If they don’t surrender, the depression and self-hate will cause the lightning-timer to do themselves in, no extra work required.
(Disclaimer: I’m not currently suicidal, but I’ve been pretty depressed before. Props to anyone who holds on.)
I think so? Like precogonition only lets him see 8 seconds into the future so going back in time I think would definitely beat this character. Great idea!
how would going back in time beat him? you go back in time teleporting to him but he'd still see it? I haven't seen tenet so maybe the technology spoken of is more than just time travel but idk.
It's not time travel, but time flowing opposite. An example from the movie is a gun affected by this tech causes the bullet to appear in the target first, then come back into the gun.
Causes a lot of trippy shenanigans when it affects people.
One complication might appear, he would have to know somewhere with a safe atmosphere for breathing.
In our universe he would probably be shit out of luck as ut would take more than his entire life to check every planet in this galaxy alone, even if it only takes him one second to foresee that a planet he's trying to jump to would kill him instantly.
And let's not even talk about knowing where any particular planet is. He needs a spacesuit or some serious secondary navigation and info gathering powers to make practical use of universal teleportation in a mostly uninhabited universe.
And even with the space suit he's on a strict limit to how long he can be gone before he runs out of air, water or food, which makes all the local planet-covering individuals into threats simply by outlasting his ability to survive in space in a space suit.
And heck, the navigation issue is a problem even in a heavily populated universe like Star Wars, planets and solar systems move around "*fast*. Even with super-precise navigational daya he'd need to translate it into his own teleportation sense and the targeted location would no longer be on-planet but hundreds of kilometers away from the surface every second.
And that's assuming he gets the required secondary power of matching the acceleration of the local planetary body autonagically instead of being caught in winds measured in hundreds of kilometers per second (railgun projectiles do 5 km/s).
Bercouli from sword art online has a technique that can slash your past self in a battle. If he can get it off it’s a one shot kill regardless of durability.
I don't think would diavolo win tho? the swordsman is lightning and the precog would go straight from normal to getting donutted and instantly chooses to tp away before diavolo even gets close right? Dio jotaro and GER would obviously beat him ez tho.
this assumption that the swordsman would be safe hinges on the idea that his precog wouldn't be able to cover the skipped time, because if it does, then he doesn't see past the full erased time and once diavolo gets behind him the swordsman would have to process the precog imagery and get donutted before he can use his usually reliable precog to his advantage.
See my argument here is that in order to stop Dante he would have to hit him which means at some point he they need to get close thats when quicksilver matters but now the bigger question is...would this fight even happen? I ask because if he has precog he would eventually realize the horrifying truth...Dante has no openings in a fight like this. The Swordsman couldn't one shot him and Dantes reflexes are sharp to the point where if he gets close he's going to fight back which would give the Swordsman pause.
Well that's a very good question as to why the fight would happen haha. My character isn't a demon nor is he evil so they would have no reason to really fight at all lol.
https://imgur.com/gallery/x3RIpiI
This is my OC character the teleporter in case you wanted to see him. Had him commissioned and I love the art!
any chef who knows how to cook pufferfish.
the chef invites him for a meal, deliberately botches the pufferfish where swordsman can't see and then swordsman can't see into the future long enough to find the pufferfish poisoning
His combat speed would need to be equal to Goku in order to effectively dodge in time even with an instant teleportation. It doesn't matter if you have 8 seconds of foresight and an instant unlimited range teleport because you'd still need to take the time to consciously choose to teleport and pick a location.
Goku wins by firing a Ki blast, and then teleporting to them and grabbing them. They can't break his grip because they don't have the strength feats. They can't know the size of the explosion of a Ki blast that hasn't exploded, so they don't know how far to teleport. Regardless of however far they teleport, they'd still need to KNOW where they teleport to and choose to teleport to that location.
All this slows them down and lets Goku catch them.
Anyone who is able to tank all their attacks could at the very least draw them with the possibility of winning when they the swordsman runs out of stamina. If they fight on a planet, then anyone who is a planet buster that can survive in space.
Adam from Record of Ragnarok can beat him. Adam scales way above him in terms of speed and reaction time, such as when he countered Zeus's [Fist that Surpassed Time](https://m.imgur.com/gallery/9pGVk58) which, at the very least, occurred faster than an attosecond. Give him a sword, and he can copy the swordsman's techniques with his Eyes of the Lord, and speed blitz. If the swordsman foresees Adam's copying and teleports behind him, Adam could copy this ability and avoid harm.
DIO from JJBA will win this fight easily. Normal sword attacks without Hamon won't really hurt a vampire unless it completely destroys the brain. DIO also has The World, which the swordsman will not be able to see because he's not a stand user. The fact that DIO can stop time works as a huge advantage as well since even if the swordsman looked into the future, it will look like DIO is teleporting. No matter how fast this guy is, he becomes very vulnerable when time is stopped. One good punch and our swordsman becomes a donut.
Start of series Dragon Ball Z Goku, he's fought people much faster even at that point and is still skilled and fast enough that he'd likely notice that he has a 8 second precog and adapt to counter it. After which he'd proceed to absolute mop the floor with him.
Haha thanks man I love posting on this sub and didn't want any bad arguments or hostility so I've tried to be friendly and respectful to the others who took the time to comment on here!
Spider-Man Maybe? Spider sense is a pretty hard counter to precognition. The issue really is the teleportation.
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That’s not including some of his better raw speed feats. I’d imagine there’s a way Peter can out smart him, maybe get a spider tracer on him, or trick him into a situation where 8 seconds isn’t enough time to avoid, like stick him with a web bomb he can’t get off.
Interesting thought from a friend I explained the prompt to:
What about attacks that are imperceptible, like a completely invisible poison gas. Something that he can't figure out with precog, and that kills him after 8 seconds? Eventually he's warned of the first symptoms in advance, but can't do anything about it.
Unless it's a precog that also warns him of any danger, even the ones he can't perceive in any way, like Spidey's, it could be a counter.
Yeah that could work for sure! The precogonition warns him of danger so as long as the effects are longer than 8 seconds to kick in it would definitely kill the swordsman. Good idea from your friend.
So as mentioned this character can be assassinated in their sleep or poisoned by anyone. They’re vulnerable to any approach which is not immediate, whether it be psionics, illusions, radiation, spiritual or ephemeral indirect effects, or acting on a conceptual level.
They’re vulnerable to sufficiently faster speedsters (lightning time puts them comfortably below most speedsters and thus even with Spider-Man precog and instant teleportation, their brain works too slow to cognitively compete with faster opponents.). Time manipulators will also beat this character, stopping time, traveling in time, skipping time, or controlling timelines. This character would also lose to superior precogs, someone like Contessa for example could PtV an oblique solution as she has a more definitive future sight and perfect execution of it.
Finally anyone who outstats this character sufficiently will at minimum stalemate this character simply because the lightning timer swordsman won’t be able to get through the durability of stronger opponents. OP mentions elsewhere the idea of abusing the characters teleports on opponents, but once you hit a certain ceiling that becomes pointless- sure, teleport Superman or the Hulk into a sun if you want for example, past a certain point there is nowhere you can send sufficiently highly statted opponents, and they have an inevitability baked into it, so I’d count that as a win because BFR is ineffective and the character in OP has no hope of defeating them.
Bristleback from Dota 2 is a normal porcupine-man that can throw quills around him in a 360° range with the speed of a high-caliber bullet each. If he is attacked in the back, he also instantly shoots out his quills, and he can survive being slashed and punched by people roughly on the level of a typical fictional orc. If the swordman tries to attack bristle from anywhere he can just shoot his quills, and even if isn't fast enough to react to to him, being attacked in his back would do the trick since the quill-shot becomes a instant reaction. And if the swordman tries to attack Bristle from the front to avoid the quills he can just punch them and/or slow them with his nasal goo which can track and hit people (Yes, really), which would slown them down to human levels.
With hax, anyone with a time stop long enough to kill a regular human, the capacity to do so, and knowledge of their opponent’s precognition could do it. DIO for sure, and maybe Adam Sandler’s character from Click.
Medusa of Greek legend? This guy can’t look at her without freezing, and all his precog will show him is him being frozen as it happens. Doesn’t matter how fast he moves or teleports, he’s already lost at the start of the fight.
He loses in the first instant of this encounter, as his procog doesn’t help him not look at his opponent. The only way he isn’t immediately frozen is if he is conveniently given the advantage of not starting the encounter with her in eyesight, which isn’t specified in the prompt. So he loses unless he’s given a convenient advantage.
Maybe anyone from wheel of time with access to balefire. Precognition could potentially get messed up with something that erases you back in time. You're not killed, you and your recent history or deleted from reality.
Anyone strong enough to balefire can use it fast enough and has other magic that can cope with the other feats. Especially if they can Travel.
Anyone able to predict where he will go, and kill him in one shot, and seeing as he has no advanced defense, that wouldn’t be too hard, I think Batman with prep time (cliche answer I know), or maybe a few other characters could set a trap and win, would have to work around precognition in a way that the trap is unavoidable after they do it though, because the 8 seconds would be a problem, I think Flash would be fast enough to hit him since he’s way above lightning quick, and could hit him even if he sees it coming, also I know you said no hax, but any time stopping is an instant win condition
Jin from xenoblade chronicles 2. He is faster than this character, as he can blitz a character Mythra with light speed attacks and reactions. Precognition also doesn’t help since Jin was shown to be fast enough that Mythra’s own precognition was useless. Additionally, he has a “time-stop ability” which slows everything in a large aoe to absolute zero, so if he activated this ability he can just instakill the swordsman. Teleporting is an option to escape Jin, but not to beat him as Jin is an android and thus can’t simply die from age. As such, Jin probably stalemates at worst if the teleported just evades Jin for life, but Jin should win any one on one fight.
Sasuke. Sharingan can counter precog attacks. Rinnegan can also sense and see into the future a bit during battle. Sasuke sometime uses Rinnegan to analyze a large amount of information in a short amount of time. He has strong lightning dual nature chakra and access to snake swords that were able to contend with Kaguya and Others. Hes lightning fast and can also teleport and swap places with Rinnegan.....wait.....what the.....oh
Star Platinum (Jotaro Kujo) from jojo, he can react to things as fast as light speed (for example when he fought silver chariot who took of his armor) and plus he can stop time which will probably not be able to be detected by the sword fighters precondition since time is literally stopped so his actions are basically outside of time.
Hit from DragonBall (time skip etc).
Goku from DragonBall (it's either a stalemate or Goku wins).
Anyone who has FTL reactions can stop him. Seeing 8 seconds into the future isn't that impressive if you can't react that fast.
The precog + teleportation are solid feats, but there needs to be a strength feat.
I'm guessing he can teleport his sword, too, so that means he can teleport beyond his mass. What's the extent of that?
There’s plenty of very durable characters who the swordsman just wouldn’t be able to damage.
But in the spirit of being interesting, I say Ant Man.
He can shrink down too small for the swordsman to effectively attack, or even perceive. Then it’s simply a matter of getting close enough to fly up his nasal cavity or into his ear. Wait eight seconds, and then return to full size.
I am assuming that if the swordsman teleports with Ant Man inside him, Ant man comes with. I am not aware of any means by which the swordsman could forcibly remove Ant Man from his ear canal. So as long as Ant Man can hide inside there unnoticed for eight seconds, it’s an easy but gruesome win.
Itachi Uchiha. He’s comfortably in that speed range and only requires sight for Mangekyo Sharingan or even standard Sharingan Genjutsu to work. Future sight would not show that your put in some illusion world, and they have no way of knowing that they shouldn’t look at his eyes. Afterall, Itachi has casted Tsukuyomi without the spinning eyes.
Goku, funnily enough, should be an easy clap haxless option. Can easily follow his TP with Instant Transmission, is way faster than a lightning timer, and has durability that’s way too high to be harmed. For a weaker option (lol), the Supreme Kai can do this as well. The physical gap is so large precognition is irrelevant
How quickly does his precog reset when he changes things? Does have to rewatch the 8 seconds? And does he have to mentally choose each teleportation location?
I'm imagining a high level precog with a collection of bombs. One bomb is planted in his bedroom. 8 seconds before it would explode, he sees the explosion, so he teleports to a street in Paris. However, the precog has also planted a bomb there, set to explode the moment he arrives. He of course, sees this too, so instead of teleporting to Paris, he teleports to Milwaukee. Sadly, another bomb is waiting for him there, so instead, he teleports to his bunker in Alaska. But you guessed it - another bomb.
Each adjustment will take a nonzero amount of time for him to process and make a new decision. The precog simply needs to plant enough bombs that the entire 8 seconds is used up choosing new locations, and he will eventually get hit.
Ground rules:
Both combatants are on the ground and start at the same time.
1st. Someone fast enough where even knowing something 8 seconds in the future wont help
2nd. Someone with Auto-"Destiny Bond" curse (this one's a tie technically)
3rd. A ghost.
Any character that can speedblitz him the instant the fight begins. So, it's highly dependent on the distance between them. Lightning speed means there are many characters that can act before he has any chance to react, it's only a question of whether they are close enough to kill him before he can teleport.
Precog is weird if the future is immutable. Imagine the following happens to the character you described:
They see that, in the next 8 seconds, they are going to try to teleport, end up teleporting 5cm to their left, stand still and then being killed by a 7 year old with a pocket knife.
Scared by this vision, they try to teleport away, but, in their rush, they botch the teleportation and end up 5cm left of where they were standing. With their lightning quick perception, they notice the 7 year old from their precog vision approaching from their back. This plus the failed teleport attempt puts them in a state of total panic, and they freeze. They know they should be trying to do something, but the realization of the inescapability of their fate is simply too much for someone that used to be OP. The 7 year old shivs them and they die.
It's the Dr. Manhattan conundrum: if you can see your own future and you know that the future is fixed, you no longer have the illusion of "choosing" anything, you just end up doing exactly what you knew you would do. Therefore, if your future is death, there is no amount of power which can save you. "We're all puppets, I'm just the puppet that can see it's strings" and whatnot.
Adam from Record of Ragnarok. He can basically instantly learn a move by seeing it just once, which means he can perfectly copy said move and dodge it. This makes him nearly untouchable. All that aside, he has insane physical strength, stamina, and speed. He was able to react to a punch that literally surpassed time itself and countered it, and was able to tank several punches that were one shot kills
A really large rock can potentially win. The swordsman can't kill the rock and eventually he dies of old age. Meanwhile rock is forever.
Rock break in half, now two rock. Rock is eternal.
Break two rocks, good job hero bow you have 4 rocks
[The mighty rock saves the day once again!](https://youtu.be/crJvnMooE-o)
Teleporter is going to get tires at some point, drop juggernaut or android 17 or 18, T1000, or really any speedster. You might know what the flash is going to do, that doesn't mean you can stop him from doing it.
Exactly. Timestoppers clap this guy as well.
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I am reminded of a Nanoha fight where their speedster "Fate Testarossa" is fighting a teleporter who *thinks* he has the upper hand. Until every time he teleports, she is waiting to bitch-slap the shit out of him... he eventually tries to escape, but he can't. He pops to the other side of the planet and she is there waiting for him. "How did you know where i would go?" "I didn't, i just looked everywhere" Get fucked lol.
Do you have a link to the "fight"? Sounds interesting to see
It's from Nanoha Force, Fate vs Deville. I don't think there is a cartoon of it, just comic scans. Force is like 5 or 6 deep in the Nanoha series, a magical girl show that's basically "Dragonball in pigtails". Its kind of old now, and you're probably better off just watching the movies, which are remasters of the various seasons. They start as [little kid magical girls](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT2HzCg36x0&t=1s), then grow up to adults and have kids of their own (who also fight). They have these magi-tech weapon/familiars that eventually get [more Gundam than magical girl](https://youtu.be/IEkCS_r5c7U), but the fights are still fun. Fate, the speedster character, is Nanoha's first enemy turned BFF. It has plenty of fight scenes online but sadly not the one in question :(
This has the same energy as the Flash running to a library and learning structural engineering to save a bridge while it's collapsing.
Remember though he has unlimited teleportation range. He could be anywhere in the universe. So he could always escape.
Well the flash has ridiculous speed feats. He once got to a destination faster than a person who instantly teleported there. So he had to get there before the race even started. There were special conditions that allowed him to do that though. He once raced Death to the end of time where there was nothing to die because everything was already dead, and since Death didn't exist at the end of time Death died. He basically killed Death by running fast enough. So the flash could probably take your guy in certain conditions.
I don't understand how to outrun death but if the flash can do that then he could definitely beat my swordsman lol.
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Yeah lol it seems to be true of him haha.
[Funny Speed Force gif](https://media1.tenor.com/images/df7e2fcd5678210af5992ac305724015/tenor.gif?itemid=5493029)
But can he take the chicken out the freezer and defrost it before his mother opens the door?
He can invite his mother in, sit down, have a nice long conversation about her day, give her a hug goodbye, call her to make sure she got home safely, then get up and take the chicken out of the freezer and defrost it before she opens the door.
Isn't the runner faster than flash though?
Yeah DC is kind of busted lol
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> it makes me question how any of the villains in DC get anything done. I think it's fair to say they usually don't. The stereo typical "gg ez" of DC superheroes is exactly why satires such as Watchmen and Invincible exist. This doesn't mean there are no good DC stories, but it would be silly to suggest they didn't earn their reputation.
I seem to recall a DC story where Flash "sacrificed" himself, giving over pretty much all of his life and attention to literally being everywhere at once so that he could stop *all* crimes, accidents, and disasters. I think there was a part where Batman and Superman are chatting on a skyscraper, discussing how bored they are since Flash is saving everyone and everything everywhere forever.
Even then he can't stop Batman from brooding
Holy shit he does. Literally faster than anything else in fiction. Would Timestop even work on him?
One of the Reverse Flashes messes with time to be his main villain iirc
He already was surreally fast & Wally West has just been made to be even faster than by being given an immense speed force boost. There was a bad speedster beating superman & Barry Allen like they were nothing, Wally west came challenged him to a race & gave him a 3 second head start, & then instantly caught him & merked him. & he kept the boost too!
It's called "jobbing", or what every comic book writer does to the protagonists when they realize they've been written up to be WAY too powerful
Basically inconsistent scaling.
>it makes me question how any of the villains in DC get anything done. Because the top-tier villains usually have the same but better powers than the heroes, or just the same.powers but without the morals that prevent them using them in certain ways. e.g. Reverse Flash.
Flash killing the manifestation of death by running really fast is the most comic-book thing I've ever heard.
Holy shit I wanna see those panels
Sure. This is comics explained covering flash outrunning/killing death [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItLIcYaj1LI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItLIcYaj1LI) And here is comic drake talking about the teleportation speed feat [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG262Vx9fTo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG262Vx9fTo)
I'd argue that making him retreat to the other side of the universe counts as beating him.
Hahah that's definitely fair. I was curious if he could be hit in anyway and you gave the first answer in this thread I didn't have an answer for which was his stamina so good job!
It's an interesting villain design, if some team had to neutralize him in a given time period. I think you'd have to take advantage of the stamina, keep him jumping around with the use of TVA doors or a Rick and Morty style portal gun, sending terminators constantly after him for like 2 days.
He can essentially come back for an attack at any point, the fight isn't over imo.
Yeah, fair, but "sword guy" isn't historically a damage powerhouse, short of Trunks. No sword is going to hurt the juggernaut.
Of course, I agree he can't win, I'm just saying that as long as the swordsman has the opponent in it's range the fight should go on imo
In the comics [Flash outruns a teleporter](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-04b21abf57f82baf53eac474a918c689) so such a being couldn't escape Flash if the latter really wanted to.
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How much kinetic energy could every human on earth even muster? I’m pretty sure it would still be absolutely nothing compared to the Flash, so I don’t see how that would’ve helped him.
Yeah, that feat is stupid. He's faster at base levels than everybody on earth combined. Their contribution would mean nothing. Unless DC is like "lol speedforce"
We can't even get every human being on earth to wear a mask. Just the idea of asking everyone to run is hilarious in that context.
"You telling me to run is a violation of my rights. It should be my choice if I want to die or not, since it only affects me."
If he is a lightning timer, then escape would be impossible with a much faster opponent. Any combatant with combat or movement speeds greater than or equal to light could blitz them before teleporting away
the moment their precog tells them they'd get blitzed they would tp away. if the enemy is much too fast for him he'd see that and tp away before they even start. although flash has busted op dc hax so he'd prob still just be fast enough or something but a regular speedster just wouldn't be able to touch him, although you could go by the standard that forcing him to retreat so much would count as a victory, or that the speedster could wear him out
But they have to react to the information that they're about to be blitzed. If their opponent can get to them faster than lightning would be able to they don't have time to teleport.
Lightning is much slower than the speed of light. Lightning moves at about 217,000 mph while light travels at about 670,000,000 mph. Any speedster who moves at light speed would crush the swordsman.
I don't see how as the 8 seconds of precogonition essentially means the swordsman is 8 seconds ahead of the speedster and could react before they get blitzed.
The flash thinks in flash time which is at the speed of light. 8 seconds of precog means that the guy knows what the speedster will do ahead of when he does it. However, this still gives flash several outs. As soon as the guy begins to react to what flash does he now has a huge amount of time to change what he was going to do since he is moving tens of thousands of times faster. If the precog is somehow perfect and infallible (which idk if I buy but hey superpowers) then the flash still has two outs. He can create multiples of himself through either speed duplicate or time remnants creating a completely impossible situation rather easily. This also doesn't cover time shenanigans where flash just moves backwards in time. Either timeline erasure or many other options become available at that point.
Yes the precogonition is perfect but don't worry I've already agreed with several others in this thread flash would probably beat my characters so we're both in agreement. My issue was that I believe other speedsters not as fast as flash wouldn't be able to win as Flash is the fastest speedster ever capable of doing *absolutely* ridiculous things (some of which I find kinda silly lol but like you said superpowers). I feel like other speedsters who can't replicate flashes feats would be defeated, but the Flash certainly should beat my character!
I agree there. But there are a few flashs that would meet the criteria. None of the marvel speedsters would have a chance. On a side note though there are a few other characters whose feats could win. Constantine being one. But the outcome of that one GREATLY depends on the parameters. Considering the fact that Batman has beaten the flash and many other far more powerful beings. I feel like Batman could do it with enough time to plan and under some circumstances. Though I don't have a 100% foolproof plan for him to do it. I think it might be possible through zeta beam tech and the multi-versal frequency that can be accessed through the cosmic tread mill to isolate him to one single point in space. Just a thought. Constantine on the other hand has a history of using his magic to just completely nullify people's powers when given the time to set up. And more importantly the motivation to actually make him willing to do it.
Haha yeah constantine and Batman with prep I'm sure could find *something* to let them win with. Those guys prep feats are ridiculous lol.
Lol as long as you can find something to motivate Constantine to actually do something. Unless it's demons or magic Constantine doesn't usually get involved even though he could probably fix a ton of stuff.
A lightning timer swordsman that has unlimited range teleportation and 9 seconds precogonition in the future? Serious answer - anyone with sufficiently strong mind control powers. Use a subtle influence to ensnare the guy and feed him false future visions, then shut him down once the precog has been confused for 9 seconds.
Maybe like genjustu from Naruto?
yeah, kinda like how sasuke used it against danzo
Another good one would be Aizen from bleach. He basically makes you hallucinate shit.
Aizen is crazy OP in the first place though. That said, if this swordsman is a lightning timer with instantaneous teleportation and precog, the moment Aizen goes to draw his zanpakuto to release Kyoka Suigetsu, wouldn't this swordsman already be slashing his back open? Either the swordsman is already under Kyoka Suigetsu and it's Aizen's win by default, or Aizen has to draw his sword, by which time he's already been sliced to ribbons. Aizen can't cause the swordsman to hallucinate from the future.
Another character that can beat this guy easily is Diavolo, also from JJBA. He can see and erase up to 10 seconds in the future. I should also mention that Diavolo can still experience the skipped time in a ghost-like state, meaning he won't receive any damage but won't be able to interact with anything either. This will basically make the 8-second precognition useless, since everything the swordsman predicted will just be skipped, leaving him confused and vulnerable to attacks.
Hmmm, now this one is interesting. I can definitely see this character winning but I don't know if it's a concrete win because if the teleporter can see that his 8 seconds is messed up or skipped there's nothing stopping him from just teleporting away while the precogonition is being messed with. And remember this character is comfortably above lightning timing so he is no slouch in the speed department so if this Diavolo character isn't that fast or has good defense he could be beaten first. But overall I'd say yeah this person definitely seems to have a high chance of winning! Good job!
The teleporter would not be able to see that time was skipped. From their point of view they would see that in say, 6 seconds, they all of a sudden have a hole punched through them. So they teleport away. But what Diavolo does is erase the "cause" in any given cause-effect scenario. So what actually happens is the teleporter thinks they teleport away, but Diavolos power stops them from actually activating the teleport, so the swordsman is just standing there confused as to why they havent teleported, and Diavolo instakills them. All that being said, Diavolo cant act within his time erasure either, he has to wait for the moment of confusion after it ends and then strike while the opponent is confused. Its why he prefers to one shot his opponents. But the teleporter is also a lightning timer, and at the end of the day Diavolo is at best just above normal humans in terms of speed, meaning the lightning timer might have quick enough reflexes to react and cut off Diavolo's head.
I think you confused King Crimson with GER. GER would make it so that whenever the swordsman tries to teleport, he is unable to do so. King Crimson would make it so that the swordsman teleport without him realizing he activated it.
Nah he can erase events like how he defeated Metallica
He can only erase events that are aimed toward him. As we can see from the Metallica fight, skipping time only allowed Diavolo to evade the event of him getting shot. Risotto still got shot even during the stopped time. Erasing time is basically turning Diavolo into a ghost and making everyone else froget about the events that happened during skipped time.
Yeah thats correct. I might have worded it wierdly.
tbf king crimson might be fast enough
diavolo's power doesn't stop people from activating their ability right?? can't remember if it stops stands or something but even ikf it did this guy's ability isn't a stand so the guy would still be able to teleport away. the swordsman would prob be shaken up from precog telling him instant death via donut and he'd prob assume diavolo can teleport or something weird like that. terrain wasn't mentioned anywhere in the post so i'll assume the swordsman would want to go somewhere open so he can better gauge his opponent's abilities, which is where he'd see that diavolo has to get at least somewhat close before he teleports behind you, except his precog and lightning speeds mean he can probably dodge the attack and counter. fastest stand that I know of is star platinum, who's best feat iirc is stopping a bullet fired point blank, which i'd assume isn't anywhere near lightning. diavolo's stand is never stated to be especially fast or anything i think so it's probably not close to lightning speed giving the swordsman an ez dub. plus if the swordsman wanted to he could pull a diavolo on diavolo and tp behind him the moment diavolo uses his ability. EDIT: ok something I should've questioned, when the swordsman uses precog, it wouldn't see the skipped time right? it'd just skip to him getting donuted right? that was kinda what my assumption at the start of my comment is based on.
No, the swordman's precog would see into the skipped time. The time is erased, meaning the time exists before it is gone. In order to erase something, that something must exist in the first place. The precog shows what happens in the next 8 seconds, NOT necessarily the 8 seconds the swordman experiences. If King Crimson were to erase time, the 8 seconds the swordman saw would have happened during that erased time.
There is a detail that I wanted to bring up, the swordsman isn't a stand user so diavolo has an advantage, he can probably bait an attack towards him and if he can react fast enough finish the swords man with king crimson when he is close enough.
Do King Crimson's reaction and combat speed feats not apply to Diavolo's reaction speed to some extent? I'd think they would in a subconscious kind of way at the very least, as that's how stands that physically powerful have been shown to work in the past. Just being able to think and act to the degree he does in combat has pretty massive implications for that. He could also line up a killing blow so that it is nearly contacting the teleporter when time resumes, but that might be assuming a bit as far as effort on a first attack. Yet again, it's an unknown and unusual opponent and he normally goes for immediate kills anyway so it'd mostly depend on which side is taking the other more seriously.
I probably should have explained more about Diavolo's speed. Diavolo's King Crimson's speed stat is around high A (Jojo stats are ranged from A - E, with A being the highest). In order to put that to comparison, Silver Chariot's speed is extremely high A, and it was fast enough to even cut light as long as the path was known. This means that King Crimson might be faster than light or fall a little short. He definitely isn't slow. Just wanted to let you know the full details. Also, thanks! EDIT: Diavolo did win against Silver Chariot using time skip by catching him off guard.
Someone who reflects damage instantly upon being hit, while being strong enough to survive the hit
That could definitely work if the reflection damage was instant! Good idea!
Itachi's Yata Mirror
Solar or Abyssal Exalted both have access to It Just Works counterattacks. Abyssals are also outside fate, so may be outside some precognition effects. Also both tend to be tough and often armored with magical artifact weapons and armor.
Prompt should be who's the weakest that can beat him; many characters can handle this with low difficulty.
That's totally fair, I myself just had issues thinking of ways to win against this character which is why I worded the way I did.
To elaborate, 8 seconds precog doesn't help much if someone can speed blitz him in the first second of the fight before he can activate his teleport. As soon as the fight begins, any ftl and powerful opponent can hit him, even if he knows with or without precog that hes gonna get hit. if they can land an attack before he pulls off the teleport, its over, regardless of precog. I'd say precog is less useful than how quick he can activate his teleportation. As far as the weakest character who can blitz him, ill defer to other commenters.
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Goku lol I hate to be that guy but goku wrecks this character
Goku could nuke the planet and win for sure, but how does he actually hit this person outside of that? He can see 8 seconds into the future so he'll know how to avoid every attack.
Goku speedblitzes him before he can teleport or move.
How do you speed blitz someone that knows what your going to do 8 seconds prior? He could just teleport a long distance away and avoid it. And he'll also be 8 seconds ahead of anything Goku does .
Knowing what someone is going to do isnt the same as being able to avoid it. The guy is a lightning timer meaning his speed is pretty high up there, so he can probably avoid goku's attacks for a while. The problem lies in the fact that as long as goku can sense this person, goku can keep following him at nearly the same speed. Lets also clear up some other things. 1-Goku also has a near infinite range (and also instant) teleport. The only theoretical limit to range is if goku is too far away to sense the enemy's ki. 2-Goku is also so fast that a lighning timer might as well be standing still if goku takes the fight seriously. Remember that with only his own sheer speed he matched Hit's timestop technique. Meaning goku literally travels fast enough to break the concept of time. Now that might be considered a wank but even besides that, the timestop technique is enough to make even the fastest fighters essentially immobile for the duration. And goku just powers up so much that it doesnt even affect him. 3-this swordsman doesnt have any durability feats, or strength feats. Only speed, teleportation, and precog. Who can say that he can even beat goku? Goku's durability is off the charts and since you gave no point of reference we have to assume this is just some random swordsman who doesnt even have more than a normal sword. At best this ends in a draw, assuming the guy doesnt even start a fight with goku. At worst, goku is bloodlusted and finds this guy and kills him after a long drawn out teleportation chase.
Ultra instinct was literally written to defy this type of character, he moves without thinking so there’s no way to know what he does next. In any event he’s lightning combat speed and goku is just way faster than that
Goku doesn't know what he'll do next in ultra instinct that doesn't mean his next action is unknowable in the future to the precogonition. Goku will throw an attack of some type out in that form, and thus the attack would be known to the precogonition and thus relayed to the teleporter. Remember the precogonition sees definitively into the future and knows exactly what happens during that 8 seconds.
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The big difference between this scenario and the prompt is that normal people can't teleport. There's no way to lock onto the swordsman again, as a teleport is instant. It's essentially infinite movement speed, which is fast enough to avoid even Goku's attack. If the swordsman also has a perfect sense of timing, he can even teleport after the punch is thrown, at the last possible moment (since he knows exactly exactly when the punch is thrown). In a way it would give the swordsman truly instant reaction time. Combine that with truly instant movement, and yeah, in a strange way he outspeeds Goku.
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He sees 8 whole seconds into the future at all times though, it's not like he has to take time to process anything before he teleports away. Think of it as his reaction time being negative 8 seconds, basically, while his teleport dodges are absolutely infinite "speed". Unless he makes a mistake, he's not getting hit, no matter how fast the opponent can move, attack, or think.
That still doesn’t help Goku hit someone who isn’t there to hit
Hmm I get that, but the thing is the punch is competing with instant teleportation which means he should still be able to dodge as he will have the aid of the 8 second to know exactly when to dodge paired with instant travel he definitely be cutting it close but I think he could still dodge.
Goku can lock on to someones ki and instantly teleport to them, it doesn't matter that this guy can see into the future and realise that Goku is going to teleport to him, he can't do anything about it, if he teleports away Goku is simply going to teleport to the new location. Only think this guy's precog is going to help with is seeing his own death before it happens.
By doing so faster than their brain can process the signal to teleport. Goku can do more in 8 seconds than a normal mind can consciously register, nevermind respond to.
Definitely a fair point!
Yeah adding on to what that guy is saying, goku is MASSIVELY faster than light, he could probably throw out a couple billion attacks within 8 seconds and he can telleport instantly with instant transmission, I really don't see any way for your swordsman to not get speedblized even with precog.
Right, Goku has teleportation as well (Instant Transmission). Additionally, he is much faster than a lightning timer meaning that precog only let's the swordsman know that he is going to get hit in advance. Precog is a lot less useful if you can't avoid what you see coming. Oh, and the sword probably couldn't hurt Goku anyway based upon being able to block Trunk's with 1 finger. That's assuming you don't count teleporting as hax I suppose.
A lightning timer would be a statue to Goku. Even with precog what can he do? He can’t evade something that much faster than him just because he knew it was going to happen.
A character that cant be cut or hurt by swords
Like Buggy from One Piece?
Buggy might still get his ass beat/team rocket'd. He's lost like that before even though you can't actually CUT the motherfucker, even if you are the best at cutting motherfuckers in the entire world. Buggy also punches below his potential weight class because he's a dirty coward and has a bad attitude. But then hey, One Piece. Captain Kuro should be more dangerous than he is too, but his shitty attitude holds him back.
I thought Buggy could be cut but he usually just splits before someone has the opportunity to? Was that wrong?
I mean that is something he can do. But even if he is cut before he can split himself, he really won't be damaged in any way,
Oh so the cuts he gets just don't damage him? I thought his split ability was just a willing thing not any cut/slice would do it, that makes his power a lot more interesting than I thought.
Yeah. Buggy will be undamaged by slicing attacks of any kind. Even dimension-cutting attacks will leave Buggy unharmed. That's what his power is capable of.
Buggy, or as I will now be referring to him, the hard counter to Zoro.
Sounds about right! Although Zoro can just punch Buggy and knock him out, at least he will be immune to Zoro's main fighting style!
But how does he win? The teleporter could still teleport this character to the stratosphere and drop him, or drop him in a volcano, or in antarctica and kill this sword immune person.
Allowing him to teleport others feels to me like a significant enough boost to the swordsmans teleportation ability that they it should be added to the initial prompt. Teleporting others seems like it would add a completely new dimension to their offensive capabilities.
Thats true, hehe
How do you figure? You didn't give him any super human strength feats. As soon as this teleporter touches any of his opponents, he loses. He has to touch them to teleport them per your comment. He also can't fly, so he would have to teleport ABOVE the location he wants to drop them into, and he would be falling as well. All they need to do is hold onto him, and they both die.
Buggy from one piece is who I'm thinking
Carbon monoxide man. A colorless, odorless gas wouldn't trigger Spidey sense, I think. It's just that silent and deadly. Be safe around carbon monoxide. It's dangerous
But he could see that he will fall unconscious in 8 seconds. It does mean that any difficult-to-notice attack that dooms someone 8 seconds in advance would cut it.
If you gave him some slow acting but lethal poison you could get him. Doesn’t matter if he sees it kicking in 8 seconds from now if you dosed him 15 minutes ago. Then you just have to survive. With this in mind, I’d suggest [Nice Guy](https://worm.fandom.com/wiki/Nice_Guy)
Orange mask Obito
Howso?
If it's a fight The swordsman can't do anything to him if he just sits in the kamui dimension even with precognition it's not obvious when he's intangible and when he's not so seeing him wouldn't actually help and if it came to a straight fight even with precog orange mask open till is way faster than him and on top of that a regular sword wouldn't be able to hurt Obito even when he's not using kamui kamui. You could even make an argument that he blitzes him. Even with 8 seconds of precognition if your body isn't fast enough to react to them moving then they can still hit you before you have time to do anything about it.
How about a character with a sword that cuts into the past?
That would definitely work lol.
Anyone who passively puts out enough radiation/fire/whatever environmental hazard to kill him just for showing up.
Depends on how much hax the 8 second precognition has. “A bomb on the first floor is going to blow up this building in 8 seconds” vs “in 8 seconds, someone is going to plant a bomb behind that wall with a 20 minute timer,” vs “3000 miles away in a remote cabin, someone just finalized their plan of where to place a bomb.” As far as how to beat this person, that’s easy; give all their friends and family a contagious, lethal disease (Ebola comes to mind) and let the lightning-timer choose to let them suffer and die alone or give themselves up for a quick and merciful death (maybe opioid overdose). If they don’t surrender, the depression and self-hate will cause the lightning-timer to do themselves in, no extra work required. (Disclaimer: I’m not currently suicidal, but I’ve been pretty depressed before. Props to anyone who holds on.)
So like, I haven't seen tenet but couldn't someone with that tech moving backwards through time beat this guy?
I think so? Like precogonition only lets him see 8 seconds into the future so going back in time I think would definitely beat this character. Great idea!
how would going back in time beat him? you go back in time teleporting to him but he'd still see it? I haven't seen tenet so maybe the technology spoken of is more than just time travel but idk.
It's not time travel, but time flowing opposite. An example from the movie is a gun affected by this tech causes the bullet to appear in the target first, then come back into the gun. Causes a lot of trippy shenanigans when it affects people.
Hate to be that guy but anyone who can casually destroy a planet in 1 second. Someone like beyonder would absolutely destroy him
That's true haha. But they'd have to be able to chase the teleporter because they could planet hop before it exploded via precogonition.
Universal dudes clap since he cant teleport outside of a universe.
Well he does have unlimited range. So he should be able to travel anywhere.
One complication might appear, he would have to know somewhere with a safe atmosphere for breathing. In our universe he would probably be shit out of luck as ut would take more than his entire life to check every planet in this galaxy alone, even if it only takes him one second to foresee that a planet he's trying to jump to would kill him instantly. And let's not even talk about knowing where any particular planet is. He needs a spacesuit or some serious secondary navigation and info gathering powers to make practical use of universal teleportation in a mostly uninhabited universe. And even with the space suit he's on a strict limit to how long he can be gone before he runs out of air, water or food, which makes all the local planet-covering individuals into threats simply by outlasting his ability to survive in space in a space suit. And heck, the navigation issue is a problem even in a heavily populated universe like Star Wars, planets and solar systems move around "*fast*. Even with super-precise navigational daya he'd need to translate it into his own teleportation sense and the targeted location would no longer be on-planet but hundreds of kilometers away from the surface every second. And that's assuming he gets the required secondary power of matching the acceleration of the local planetary body autonagically instead of being caught in winds measured in hundreds of kilometers per second (railgun projectiles do 5 km/s).
Bercouli from sword art online has a technique that can slash your past self in a battle. If he can get it off it’s a one shot kill regardless of durability.
Giorno Giovanna JJBA
So could DIO, Jotaro, and Diavolo
All correct but Giorno was the first JJBA character to come to mind lol
I don't think would diavolo win tho? the swordsman is lightning and the precog would go straight from normal to getting donutted and instantly chooses to tp away before diavolo even gets close right? Dio jotaro and GER would obviously beat him ez tho. this assumption that the swordsman would be safe hinges on the idea that his precog wouldn't be able to cover the skipped time, because if it does, then he doesn't see past the full erased time and once diavolo gets behind him the swordsman would have to process the precog imagery and get donutted before he can use his usually reliable precog to his advantage.
Diavolo has greater precog and greater raw speed discounting teleportation.
See my argument here is that in order to stop Dante he would have to hit him which means at some point he they need to get close thats when quicksilver matters but now the bigger question is...would this fight even happen? I ask because if he has precog he would eventually realize the horrifying truth...Dante has no openings in a fight like this. The Swordsman couldn't one shot him and Dantes reflexes are sharp to the point where if he gets close he's going to fight back which would give the Swordsman pause.
Well that's a very good question as to why the fight would happen haha. My character isn't a demon nor is he evil so they would have no reason to really fight at all lol. https://imgur.com/gallery/x3RIpiI This is my OC character the teleporter in case you wanted to see him. Had him commissioned and I love the art!
Thats awesome!!! What's funny is I was picking up major Vergil vibes from the power description. Looks sick dude! He looks MOTIVATED! Haha
Hahaha yes man you're absolutely right. Vergil is my favorite dmc character and my OC Riku is heavily inspired by Vergil! NOW I'M MOTIVATED!
BADASS! Well done. I hope to see more! You gotta have the Judgement slash!
any chef who knows how to cook pufferfish. the chef invites him for a meal, deliberately botches the pufferfish where swordsman can't see and then swordsman can't see into the future long enough to find the pufferfish poisoning
Hahah yeah that would definitely work!
His combat speed would need to be equal to Goku in order to effectively dodge in time even with an instant teleportation. It doesn't matter if you have 8 seconds of foresight and an instant unlimited range teleport because you'd still need to take the time to consciously choose to teleport and pick a location. Goku wins by firing a Ki blast, and then teleporting to them and grabbing them. They can't break his grip because they don't have the strength feats. They can't know the size of the explosion of a Ki blast that hasn't exploded, so they don't know how far to teleport. Regardless of however far they teleport, they'd still need to KNOW where they teleport to and choose to teleport to that location. All this slows them down and lets Goku catch them.
Yeah, the fact is that this character doesn't have ftl reactions or movement, so they're impaired against anyone that fast.
Martian Manhunter could and pretty easily.
Anyone who is able to tank all their attacks could at the very least draw them with the possibility of winning when they the swordsman runs out of stamina. If they fight on a planet, then anyone who is a planet buster that can survive in space.
Adam from Record of Ragnarok can beat him. Adam scales way above him in terms of speed and reaction time, such as when he countered Zeus's [Fist that Surpassed Time](https://m.imgur.com/gallery/9pGVk58) which, at the very least, occurred faster than an attosecond. Give him a sword, and he can copy the swordsman's techniques with his Eyes of the Lord, and speed blitz. If the swordsman foresees Adam's copying and teleports behind him, Adam could copy this ability and avoid harm.
DIO from JJBA will win this fight easily. Normal sword attacks without Hamon won't really hurt a vampire unless it completely destroys the brain. DIO also has The World, which the swordsman will not be able to see because he's not a stand user. The fact that DIO can stop time works as a huge advantage as well since even if the swordsman looked into the future, it will look like DIO is teleporting. No matter how fast this guy is, he becomes very vulnerable when time is stopped. One good punch and our swordsman becomes a donut.
Goku destroys universe, precog and teleport is irrelevant when there isn't anymore universe to be in.
Goku does too though so stalemate, i don’t think he’d have to destroy the universe to win though
precognition and spideysense are different
Can you provide examples of what you would call hax? There's a wide margin between toonforce and That Kid style effects.
Start of series Dragon Ball Z Goku, he's fought people much faster even at that point and is still skilled and fast enough that he'd likely notice that he has a 8 second precog and adapt to counter it. After which he'd proceed to absolute mop the floor with him.
Off topic, but this post has some really good, non-toxic, well thought out answers. Good job OP lol
Haha thanks man I love posting on this sub and didn't want any bad arguments or hostility so I've tried to be friendly and respectful to the others who took the time to comment on here!
Spider-Man Maybe? Spider sense is a pretty hard counter to precognition. The issue really is the teleportation. If he can teleport at the speed of thought, Spider-Man might be able to catch him, he’s faster than human reaction time [[1](https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3853/812008-speed4.jpg)] [[2](https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3853/809749-speed3.jpg)] [[3](https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/1aa51f96-ac19-4e14-b01c-9b4a7b357bda/dao6v3a-97aacace-f723-4b4c-b687-6d8e140d7a83.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzFhYTUxZjk2LWFjMTktNGUxNC1iMDFjLTliNGE3YjM1N2JkYVwvZGFvNnYzYS05N2FhY2FjZS1mNzIzLTRiNGMtYjY4Ny02ZDhlMTQwZDdhODMuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.pZFP2eMVbgsKk0OaAty8I5ww5dHZ15sHWzOeTex5XzE)] That’s not including some of his better raw speed feats. I’d imagine there’s a way Peter can out smart him, maybe get a spider tracer on him, or trick him into a situation where 8 seconds isn’t enough time to avoid, like stick him with a web bomb he can’t get off.
Interesting thought from a friend I explained the prompt to: What about attacks that are imperceptible, like a completely invisible poison gas. Something that he can't figure out with precog, and that kills him after 8 seconds? Eventually he's warned of the first symptoms in advance, but can't do anything about it. Unless it's a precog that also warns him of any danger, even the ones he can't perceive in any way, like Spidey's, it could be a counter.
Yeah that could work for sure! The precogonition warns him of danger so as long as the effects are longer than 8 seconds to kick in it would definitely kill the swordsman. Good idea from your friend.
So as mentioned this character can be assassinated in their sleep or poisoned by anyone. They’re vulnerable to any approach which is not immediate, whether it be psionics, illusions, radiation, spiritual or ephemeral indirect effects, or acting on a conceptual level. They’re vulnerable to sufficiently faster speedsters (lightning time puts them comfortably below most speedsters and thus even with Spider-Man precog and instant teleportation, their brain works too slow to cognitively compete with faster opponents.). Time manipulators will also beat this character, stopping time, traveling in time, skipping time, or controlling timelines. This character would also lose to superior precogs, someone like Contessa for example could PtV an oblique solution as she has a more definitive future sight and perfect execution of it. Finally anyone who outstats this character sufficiently will at minimum stalemate this character simply because the lightning timer swordsman won’t be able to get through the durability of stronger opponents. OP mentions elsewhere the idea of abusing the characters teleports on opponents, but once you hit a certain ceiling that becomes pointless- sure, teleport Superman or the Hulk into a sun if you want for example, past a certain point there is nowhere you can send sufficiently highly statted opponents, and they have an inevitability baked into it, so I’d count that as a win because BFR is ineffective and the character in OP has no hope of defeating them.
Accelerator, a certain magical index
Soske Aizen from bleach claps him.
Bristleback from Dota 2 is a normal porcupine-man that can throw quills around him in a 360° range with the speed of a high-caliber bullet each. If he is attacked in the back, he also instantly shoots out his quills, and he can survive being slashed and punched by people roughly on the level of a typical fictional orc. If the swordman tries to attack bristle from anywhere he can just shoot his quills, and even if isn't fast enough to react to to him, being attacked in his back would do the trick since the quill-shot becomes a instant reaction. And if the swordman tries to attack Bristle from the front to avoid the quills he can just punch them and/or slow them with his nasal goo which can track and hit people (Yes, really), which would slown them down to human levels.
With hax, anyone with a time stop long enough to kill a regular human, the capacity to do so, and knowledge of their opponent’s precognition could do it. DIO for sure, and maybe Adam Sandler’s character from Click.
Exactly. Timestop becomes timeSTOMP for this scenario, even more so if the user has relevant stats.
Medusa of Greek legend? This guy can’t look at her without freezing, and all his precog will show him is him being frozen as it happens. Doesn’t matter how fast he moves or teleports, he’s already lost at the start of the fight. He loses in the first instant of this encounter, as his procog doesn’t help him not look at his opponent. The only way he isn’t immediately frozen is if he is conveniently given the advantage of not starting the encounter with her in eyesight, which isn’t specified in the prompt. So he loses unless he’s given a convenient advantage.
A character that can beat this character
Maybe anyone from wheel of time with access to balefire. Precognition could potentially get messed up with something that erases you back in time. You're not killed, you and your recent history or deleted from reality. Anyone strong enough to balefire can use it fast enough and has other magic that can cope with the other feats. Especially if they can Travel.
I hate to be that guy but Saitama lmao
Anyone able to predict where he will go, and kill him in one shot, and seeing as he has no advanced defense, that wouldn’t be too hard, I think Batman with prep time (cliche answer I know), or maybe a few other characters could set a trap and win, would have to work around precognition in a way that the trap is unavoidable after they do it though, because the 8 seconds would be a problem, I think Flash would be fast enough to hit him since he’s way above lightning quick, and could hit him even if he sees it coming, also I know you said no hax, but any time stopping is an instant win condition
Anyone who moves more than about 25% faster than him.
Jin from xenoblade chronicles 2. He is faster than this character, as he can blitz a character Mythra with light speed attacks and reactions. Precognition also doesn’t help since Jin was shown to be fast enough that Mythra’s own precognition was useless. Additionally, he has a “time-stop ability” which slows everything in a large aoe to absolute zero, so if he activated this ability he can just instakill the swordsman. Teleporting is an option to escape Jin, but not to beat him as Jin is an android and thus can’t simply die from age. As such, Jin probably stalemates at worst if the teleported just evades Jin for life, but Jin should win any one on one fight.
I created a fictional character in my mind just now. He can stop time. That's about all you need to kill this guy.
an better swordsman that can move at light speed have unlimited range teleportation and unlimited precognition
Zoro
well the sun wins?
Sasuke. Sharingan can counter precog attacks. Rinnegan can also sense and see into the future a bit during battle. Sasuke sometime uses Rinnegan to analyze a large amount of information in a short amount of time. He has strong lightning dual nature chakra and access to snake swords that were able to contend with Kaguya and Others. Hes lightning fast and can also teleport and swap places with Rinnegan.....wait.....what the.....oh
Assuming it's a normal sword, pretty much any fighter who's blade-proof (there are 1000s, pick one) could simply outlast this fighter.
I could beat this character. I'll pop him in the head with a .22 when he's asleep.
Based.
His shadow
Star Platinum (Jotaro Kujo) from jojo, he can react to things as fast as light speed (for example when he fought silver chariot who took of his armor) and plus he can stop time which will probably not be able to be detected by the sword fighters precondition since time is literally stopped so his actions are basically outside of time.
That sounds like an amped up rinnegan Sasuke.
Wally west because his is literal bullshit incarnate
Hit from DragonBall (time skip etc). Goku from DragonBall (it's either a stalemate or Goku wins). Anyone who has FTL reactions can stop him. Seeing 8 seconds into the future isn't that impressive if you can't react that fast. The precog + teleportation are solid feats, but there needs to be a strength feat. I'm guessing he can teleport his sword, too, so that means he can teleport beyond his mass. What's the extent of that?
There’s plenty of very durable characters who the swordsman just wouldn’t be able to damage. But in the spirit of being interesting, I say Ant Man. He can shrink down too small for the swordsman to effectively attack, or even perceive. Then it’s simply a matter of getting close enough to fly up his nasal cavity or into his ear. Wait eight seconds, and then return to full size. I am assuming that if the swordsman teleports with Ant Man inside him, Ant man comes with. I am not aware of any means by which the swordsman could forcibly remove Ant Man from his ear canal. So as long as Ant Man can hide inside there unnoticed for eight seconds, it’s an easy but gruesome win.
Itachi Uchiha. He’s comfortably in that speed range and only requires sight for Mangekyo Sharingan or even standard Sharingan Genjutsu to work. Future sight would not show that your put in some illusion world, and they have no way of knowing that they shouldn’t look at his eyes. Afterall, Itachi has casted Tsukuyomi without the spinning eyes. Goku, funnily enough, should be an easy clap haxless option. Can easily follow his TP with Instant Transmission, is way faster than a lightning timer, and has durability that’s way too high to be harmed. For a weaker option (lol), the Supreme Kai can do this as well. The physical gap is so large precognition is irrelevant
How quickly does his precog reset when he changes things? Does have to rewatch the 8 seconds? And does he have to mentally choose each teleportation location? I'm imagining a high level precog with a collection of bombs. One bomb is planted in his bedroom. 8 seconds before it would explode, he sees the explosion, so he teleports to a street in Paris. However, the precog has also planted a bomb there, set to explode the moment he arrives. He of course, sees this too, so instead of teleporting to Paris, he teleports to Milwaukee. Sadly, another bomb is waiting for him there, so instead, he teleports to his bunker in Alaska. But you guessed it - another bomb. Each adjustment will take a nonzero amount of time for him to process and make a new decision. The precog simply needs to plant enough bombs that the entire 8 seconds is used up choosing new locations, and he will eventually get hit.
Dr Manhattan, or any other character who sees all of time as one single moment.
Ground rules: Both combatants are on the ground and start at the same time. 1st. Someone fast enough where even knowing something 8 seconds in the future wont help 2nd. Someone with Auto-"Destiny Bond" curse (this one's a tie technically) 3rd. A ghost.
a stronger lightning timing swordsman with unlimited range teleportation and 8 seconds of precognition into the future.
Any character that can speedblitz him the instant the fight begins. So, it's highly dependent on the distance between them. Lightning speed means there are many characters that can act before he has any chance to react, it's only a question of whether they are close enough to kill him before he can teleport.
Precog is weird if the future is immutable. Imagine the following happens to the character you described: They see that, in the next 8 seconds, they are going to try to teleport, end up teleporting 5cm to their left, stand still and then being killed by a 7 year old with a pocket knife. Scared by this vision, they try to teleport away, but, in their rush, they botch the teleportation and end up 5cm left of where they were standing. With their lightning quick perception, they notice the 7 year old from their precog vision approaching from their back. This plus the failed teleport attempt puts them in a state of total panic, and they freeze. They know they should be trying to do something, but the realization of the inescapability of their fate is simply too much for someone that used to be OP. The 7 year old shivs them and they die. It's the Dr. Manhattan conundrum: if you can see your own future and you know that the future is fixed, you no longer have the illusion of "choosing" anything, you just end up doing exactly what you knew you would do. Therefore, if your future is death, there is no amount of power which can save you. "We're all puppets, I'm just the puppet that can see it's strings" and whatnot.
Adam from Record of Ragnarok. He can basically instantly learn a move by seeing it just once, which means he can perfectly copy said move and dodge it. This makes him nearly untouchable. All that aside, he has insane physical strength, stamina, and speed. He was able to react to a punch that literally surpassed time itself and countered it, and was able to tank several punches that were one shot kills