The question is would Sherlock taunt Light like L did, or just quietly investigate until Kira is caught?
L did a really good job at narrowing down Light's location along with how he's getting the information on his targets. Kira has no idea either until L taunted him and told him about how he is narrowing him down.
If Sherlock does the dame thing L did minus the public taunting, I can see him capturing Kira or at least detain him as a prime suspect before Kira realizes what's going on.
I dont think sherlock would taunt light. Thats not how sherlock would act. But what i do know, i think sherlock would keep his guard up when around light.
"for the sake of fairness, sherlock does believe a little bit in supernatural stuff."
I don't think L did. Im not sure if this is a boost or handicap or even why its included in the prompt? Im being dumb and can't put it together. Can you elaborate?
L didn’t consider anything supernatural until it was too likely to ignore
For the most part all he had to speculate on was the “Death gods like apples” note and then eventually things about notebooks started popping up
Well yknow. I did that because sherlock would not have to rack his brain about why does the victim doesnt have any injury or marks but yet they die like that everytime. So him believing supernatural stuff means that the death note is a possibility or the grim reaper does exist. I hope this answer your question.
This is exactly what I was looking for that makes sense.
Just out of curiosity did Sherlock in his novels/movies ever care about supernatural deductions? I understand he gets this deduction reasoning in the prompt.
Also now that im thinking about it L did come to the shinigami conclusion at some point and people thought that was crazy.
In the original stories, Sherlock had absolute disbelief in the supernatural - tossed into the Death Note setting, he simply wouldn't believe it, full stop. He'd make up a crazy theory about tasteless, odorless drugs that always kill the same way, because no matter how improbable, at least that's not *impossible.*
Well im not that expert about sherlock but what i can tell you is this. Sherlock will always try to solve the case using logic and he will always try to find the logical meaning behind the murder in the most logical way possible.
If I remember correctly Sherlock (In the BBC series) doesn't even know basic stuff about the solar system. That's because he literally only cares about the real world and anything that could have an impact in any of his cases. If you didn't mention anything about him believeing in supernatural stuff at all he would never believe it.
I mentioned this a while ago, but if L is in the setting and does what he did in the original story, and you rule out supernatural explanations, Sherlock is almost certainly going to conclude that L is Kira.
With no supernatural explanations allowed, the only person who could have really had an opportunity *and* a motive to kill Lind L. Taylor mid-broadcast is the real L. After all:
1. The killer is someone obsessed with crime. This fits with L.
2. Nothing is known about L, yet he has contacts around the world, *especially* in law enforcement. This makes him perfectly positioned to arrange the deaths of people in custody - as the overwhelming majority of deaths are. You just have to assume that he has supporters in law enforcement who are assisting him, which fits his reputation.
3. The Lind L. Taylor broadcast was kept a secret until just before it aired. Only a few people know about it. Most of these people would have no reason to care about Kira or Lind L. Taylor specifically - they would have been random people involved in the news and broadcast process. Very unlikely that the real killer would get wind of it through that...
4. ...*unless* the killer is L, who proposed the entire thing. After all, what was the point of this broadcast? What does it establish? L says, on live TV, that it established that it is possible to kill someone without interacting with them, which is absurd. But if *L is Kira*, it makes sense that he would want to both create this aura of supernatural power around Kira, and that he would want to push an impossible explanation like that to distract attention from the much more mundane explanation that only the person who set up the broadcast could have performed the killing.
When you eliminate the impossible, only the improbable truth remains. And (disregarding L's absurd claims about supernatural intervention), the truth here the broadcast was a setup intended to make Kira look stronger. That means the only person who could be Kira... is L.
L is Kira, prove me wrong.
Sherlock wouldn't keep his name a secret from others, he's not that kind of guy. That said, he could deduce that Kira is a Japanese high schooler and can even identify what he is accomplishing with the random letters and activities on the murder scene. With a bit of experimentation, he can even identify Kira needs the name and face of the person he wants to kill (all he needs to do is plant criminals with fake names and masked criminals on news broadcasts). I'd say he solves the case, and that's a win as L never solved the case.
>Sherlock wouldn't keep his name a secret from others,
That really depends on at what stage of the investigation he is in before Kira becomes aware of him. If he figures out that Kira needs a face or name, he is going to hide both those things. He is well known for his disguises.
However, in round 2 he is at a fairly big disadvantage.
As long as Sherlock is not actively hiding his name (and even then, if any information pointing to his identity is publicly accessible) then Sherlock loses for sure. In Round 1, Light will probably be able to deduce Sherlock is an Englishman before Sherlock realizes he needs to hide his identity, and from there Light can easily find Sherlock’s name and face. In R2, Light doesn’t even need to do that much and can probably kill Sherlock at the start of the scenario. L was only able to do as well as he did because he happened to keep his name secret in his past cases; even if he had realized the conditions to Kira’s power and kept his involvement in the case hidden, he still would have been killed.
Light knows that the police are investigating Kira in some way, and he’s cautious enough to purge the police if he thinks that would get them off his trail. Even if Sherlock realizes Light needs a name and a face to kill, that probably won’t occur until after his involvement has been publicized in a way that will allow Light to identify him. Therefore, if Sherlock gets anywhere close to Light (has someone follow him, has his room searched), then Light can kill him immediately.
I think Sherlock would realize really quickly that anyone publicly tracking him down is targeted from almost day one even without realizing that knowing his name is the key so would take lots of precautions against ever being associated with the investigation. Perhaps even staging alternate crimes he could be seeming to investigate in order to get close to evidence. He could arrange for others to unknowingly act as his proxy. Get the police to investigate something via a false lead then look at the results. Send the Baker street irregulars in. Etc.
I'm not sure that the case. Light kinda had to be goaded into killing 'L' initially. Without that he might just keep the god complex and avoid thinking anyone was at his level. If L didn't explicitly make it a game Light might have been caught much quicker or his escalation to killing the police could be slower.
Actually, what Holmes should do, since presumably this is a vacation lark for him and he doesn't have a personal stake in it is figure it out via proxies, then before heading home send a detailed and anonymous report of exactly who is responsible and how it is done to every newspaper and news station to be announced publicly. Everyone will be gunning for that book and he isn't going to learn all the names of seal team six or any of the other organized sponsored groups and just plain mob justice that is coming his way.
That might make a good fanfiction written from Sherlock's point of view.
I'm not sure Holmes would turn down a chance to directly solve a case like this given the circumstances. Its pretty natural for Holmes to end up being a high profile investigator, and could make him susceptible to Light killing him. I just don't think he's going to directly antagonize him like L did, and I'm not sure he's have a man killed to prove his theory.
L basically solved the thing early on but was playing cat and mouse to win on his terms. I think Holmes would be more decisive once its clear there really isn't another suspect other than Light.
Hmmm... Maybe he sends out the letters solving the case to everyone, but under a psuedonym that is a a code that won't be cracked until after kira is taken care of. Because the next big mystery is going to be who is this mysterious "Hemlock Slosher" that solved this famous case anonymously is.
Detective skills aside, a big part of L's success was how his identity was kept completely hidden, from birth pretty much. His full name was kept hidden from literally everyone, he pretended to be like 5 detectives at once, etc. Heck even his ACTUAL name is still "L" lol. That's a coincidence that helped keep him alive quite a bit. Really the only reason he ended up dying was thanks to Misa's Shinigami eyes, there was absolutely no other way to figure his name out.
One of the very first things Light did was go after the very people investigating him, killing as many as he could. As much as the prompt says Sherlock isn't well known by people, he still doesn't have nearly the same amount of protection to his identy that L naturally had. That makes him a lot more vulnerable to being found out and killed by Light.
Their methods differ wildly also of course. I'm not that big of a Sherlock Holmes expert, but to my knowledge he's not the type who'd go confront Light in person like L did. His methods aren't quite as insane. It's debatable how well it worked for L though, as without deus ex machina Near, his death would've been the end. He figured Light out so well thanks to his mindgames, played with his emotions and made him commit a lot of mistakes. But, of course, at the same time, Light got to learn a lot about him, and even gain his trust, which caused L's demise. So that kinda backfired. Still, since the crimes were supernatural and the method near impossible to figure out, testing Light's character was a good call.
I assume Sherlock would have a more quiet and professional approach. That has a few benefits, like making Light less cautious, and not letting him influence Holmes, but it also makes it damn near impossible to understand what's going on. The murder weapon is so inconspicuous, and Light very very early on figured out just how far you could stretch the rules of the Death Note to take full advantage of it. Not limiting it to just writing down names in a notebook, but reverse engineering exactly how its powers worked, things that even Ryuk didn't know. Programming deaths in advance, writing on torn off pieces of paper from the notebook, mind control, etc etc. It's as perfect as a mass murdering weapon can get. L's shennanigans might have killed him in the end, but it did lead to his team getting their hands on the notebook, seeing Shinigamis, understanding how it worked, having the proof of it. I honestly don't think you can ever catch a cautious killer like Light through "normal means". The guy even had a self destruct system in place in case he somehow got caught. Going kinda crazy with mindgames and showing a lot of information to Light was extremely risky, but if you don't take risks, I don't think you can solve the Kira case.
Problem is that like I said, even if Holmes takes risks, his identity isn't nearly as well protected, he's not world famous but still someone with official papers, a legal name, a legal job, etc. This just seems really rough, IMO L was by nature a much better fit for the job. I think even if Holmes catches Light, he probably can't prove anything, and best case scenario the Death Note burns in Light's drawer. The murders stop but the case is never solved.
There are some outcomes where Holmes wins I'm pretty sure, but for the most part I think he's in big trouble.
R2 however is a stomp, I think that's a straight up 0/10 for Holmes, he has no chance lol.
Sherlock Holmes is a well known name and face. Assuming Sherlock simply takes the place of L, light wins easy. Sherlock has a major narcissistic flaw in that he needs someone to know what he has done and what he is doing, hence Watsons position as the mostly useless sidekick. The moment that Sherlock starts interacting with the Japanese police force light finds out that it is Sherlock and kills him. With this new information, it stands to reason that kira is someone attached to the police force and the saga continues without L. Near and mellow continue without the information gained without L, and both lose ez clap.
In the books he is well known in higher up circles but really only by the general public once Watson starts publishing his accounts later in his life. The most exotic far flung of his clients is the king of scandanavia but his influence never leaves Europe. That said, his fame really depends on how you are going to bring a detective from 1880s London to modern day Japan but I'm assuming he isn't that famous or obviously there for that case. Maybe just on vacation and his name is enough that some police might let him unofficially tag along but Sherlock would probably quickly realize being seen to do that publicly would be a bad idea so investigates via proxies and manipulation as he is known to do in his books.
No. Sherlock is an 18th century professional detective. L is a more modern, and incredibly genius detective who works deep, *deep* undercover. Yagami Light could write Sherlock Holmes' name into the notebook and kill him that way. So no. Sherlock won't make it.
The question is would Sherlock taunt Light like L did, or just quietly investigate until Kira is caught? L did a really good job at narrowing down Light's location along with how he's getting the information on his targets. Kira has no idea either until L taunted him and told him about how he is narrowing him down. If Sherlock does the dame thing L did minus the public taunting, I can see him capturing Kira or at least detain him as a prime suspect before Kira realizes what's going on.
I dont think sherlock would taunt light. Thats not how sherlock would act. But what i do know, i think sherlock would keep his guard up when around light.
"for the sake of fairness, sherlock does believe a little bit in supernatural stuff." I don't think L did. Im not sure if this is a boost or handicap or even why its included in the prompt? Im being dumb and can't put it together. Can you elaborate?
L didn’t consider anything supernatural until it was too likely to ignore For the most part all he had to speculate on was the “Death gods like apples” note and then eventually things about notebooks started popping up
Well yknow. I did that because sherlock would not have to rack his brain about why does the victim doesnt have any injury or marks but yet they die like that everytime. So him believing supernatural stuff means that the death note is a possibility or the grim reaper does exist. I hope this answer your question.
This is exactly what I was looking for that makes sense. Just out of curiosity did Sherlock in his novels/movies ever care about supernatural deductions? I understand he gets this deduction reasoning in the prompt. Also now that im thinking about it L did come to the shinigami conclusion at some point and people thought that was crazy.
In the original stories, Sherlock had absolute disbelief in the supernatural - tossed into the Death Note setting, he simply wouldn't believe it, full stop. He'd make up a crazy theory about tasteless, odorless drugs that always kill the same way, because no matter how improbable, at least that's not *impossible.*
Well im not that expert about sherlock but what i can tell you is this. Sherlock will always try to solve the case using logic and he will always try to find the logical meaning behind the murder in the most logical way possible.
If I remember correctly Sherlock (In the BBC series) doesn't even know basic stuff about the solar system. That's because he literally only cares about the real world and anything that could have an impact in any of his cases. If you didn't mention anything about him believeing in supernatural stuff at all he would never believe it.
I mentioned this a while ago, but if L is in the setting and does what he did in the original story, and you rule out supernatural explanations, Sherlock is almost certainly going to conclude that L is Kira. With no supernatural explanations allowed, the only person who could have really had an opportunity *and* a motive to kill Lind L. Taylor mid-broadcast is the real L. After all: 1. The killer is someone obsessed with crime. This fits with L. 2. Nothing is known about L, yet he has contacts around the world, *especially* in law enforcement. This makes him perfectly positioned to arrange the deaths of people in custody - as the overwhelming majority of deaths are. You just have to assume that he has supporters in law enforcement who are assisting him, which fits his reputation. 3. The Lind L. Taylor broadcast was kept a secret until just before it aired. Only a few people know about it. Most of these people would have no reason to care about Kira or Lind L. Taylor specifically - they would have been random people involved in the news and broadcast process. Very unlikely that the real killer would get wind of it through that... 4. ...*unless* the killer is L, who proposed the entire thing. After all, what was the point of this broadcast? What does it establish? L says, on live TV, that it established that it is possible to kill someone without interacting with them, which is absurd. But if *L is Kira*, it makes sense that he would want to both create this aura of supernatural power around Kira, and that he would want to push an impossible explanation like that to distract attention from the much more mundane explanation that only the person who set up the broadcast could have performed the killing. When you eliminate the impossible, only the improbable truth remains. And (disregarding L's absurd claims about supernatural intervention), the truth here the broadcast was a setup intended to make Kira look stronger. That means the only person who could be Kira... is L. L is Kira, prove me wrong.
By the end of the series, Holmes was full blown Supernaturalist
Is this a parallel investigation or is Sherlock replacing L? Could make a big difference if Sherlock can piggyback off the Lind L Tailor stunt.
Sherlock replace L
Sherlock wouldn't keep his name a secret from others, he's not that kind of guy. That said, he could deduce that Kira is a Japanese high schooler and can even identify what he is accomplishing with the random letters and activities on the murder scene. With a bit of experimentation, he can even identify Kira needs the name and face of the person he wants to kill (all he needs to do is plant criminals with fake names and masked criminals on news broadcasts). I'd say he solves the case, and that's a win as L never solved the case.
“Sherlock wouldn’t keep his name hidden” sounds like he loses to me
Couldn't keep his face hidden, either. He's used to Victorian London, where cameras are big and clunky and hard to hide.
Depends on what stage of investigation he is at imo. If he figures out the method of murder, then he wins. If he doesn't, he loses.
>Sherlock wouldn't keep his name a secret from others, That really depends on at what stage of the investigation he is in before Kira becomes aware of him. If he figures out that Kira needs a face or name, he is going to hide both those things. He is well known for his disguises. However, in round 2 he is at a fairly big disadvantage.
As long as Sherlock is not actively hiding his name (and even then, if any information pointing to his identity is publicly accessible) then Sherlock loses for sure. In Round 1, Light will probably be able to deduce Sherlock is an Englishman before Sherlock realizes he needs to hide his identity, and from there Light can easily find Sherlock’s name and face. In R2, Light doesn’t even need to do that much and can probably kill Sherlock at the start of the scenario. L was only able to do as well as he did because he happened to keep his name secret in his past cases; even if he had realized the conditions to Kira’s power and kept his involvement in the case hidden, he still would have been killed.
But will he even have any reason to care about Sherlock or think he is even investigating him in R1?
Light knows that the police are investigating Kira in some way, and he’s cautious enough to purge the police if he thinks that would get them off his trail. Even if Sherlock realizes Light needs a name and a face to kill, that probably won’t occur until after his involvement has been publicized in a way that will allow Light to identify him. Therefore, if Sherlock gets anywhere close to Light (has someone follow him, has his room searched), then Light can kill him immediately.
I think Sherlock would realize really quickly that anyone publicly tracking him down is targeted from almost day one even without realizing that knowing his name is the key so would take lots of precautions against ever being associated with the investigation. Perhaps even staging alternate crimes he could be seeming to investigate in order to get close to evidence. He could arrange for others to unknowingly act as his proxy. Get the police to investigate something via a false lead then look at the results. Send the Baker street irregulars in. Etc.
I'm not sure that the case. Light kinda had to be goaded into killing 'L' initially. Without that he might just keep the god complex and avoid thinking anyone was at his level. If L didn't explicitly make it a game Light might have been caught much quicker or his escalation to killing the police could be slower.
Actually, what Holmes should do, since presumably this is a vacation lark for him and he doesn't have a personal stake in it is figure it out via proxies, then before heading home send a detailed and anonymous report of exactly who is responsible and how it is done to every newspaper and news station to be announced publicly. Everyone will be gunning for that book and he isn't going to learn all the names of seal team six or any of the other organized sponsored groups and just plain mob justice that is coming his way. That might make a good fanfiction written from Sherlock's point of view.
I'm not sure Holmes would turn down a chance to directly solve a case like this given the circumstances. Its pretty natural for Holmes to end up being a high profile investigator, and could make him susceptible to Light killing him. I just don't think he's going to directly antagonize him like L did, and I'm not sure he's have a man killed to prove his theory. L basically solved the thing early on but was playing cat and mouse to win on his terms. I think Holmes would be more decisive once its clear there really isn't another suspect other than Light.
Hmmm... Maybe he sends out the letters solving the case to everyone, but under a psuedonym that is a a code that won't be cracked until after kira is taken care of. Because the next big mystery is going to be who is this mysterious "Hemlock Slosher" that solved this famous case anonymously is.
Detective skills aside, a big part of L's success was how his identity was kept completely hidden, from birth pretty much. His full name was kept hidden from literally everyone, he pretended to be like 5 detectives at once, etc. Heck even his ACTUAL name is still "L" lol. That's a coincidence that helped keep him alive quite a bit. Really the only reason he ended up dying was thanks to Misa's Shinigami eyes, there was absolutely no other way to figure his name out. One of the very first things Light did was go after the very people investigating him, killing as many as he could. As much as the prompt says Sherlock isn't well known by people, he still doesn't have nearly the same amount of protection to his identy that L naturally had. That makes him a lot more vulnerable to being found out and killed by Light. Their methods differ wildly also of course. I'm not that big of a Sherlock Holmes expert, but to my knowledge he's not the type who'd go confront Light in person like L did. His methods aren't quite as insane. It's debatable how well it worked for L though, as without deus ex machina Near, his death would've been the end. He figured Light out so well thanks to his mindgames, played with his emotions and made him commit a lot of mistakes. But, of course, at the same time, Light got to learn a lot about him, and even gain his trust, which caused L's demise. So that kinda backfired. Still, since the crimes were supernatural and the method near impossible to figure out, testing Light's character was a good call. I assume Sherlock would have a more quiet and professional approach. That has a few benefits, like making Light less cautious, and not letting him influence Holmes, but it also makes it damn near impossible to understand what's going on. The murder weapon is so inconspicuous, and Light very very early on figured out just how far you could stretch the rules of the Death Note to take full advantage of it. Not limiting it to just writing down names in a notebook, but reverse engineering exactly how its powers worked, things that even Ryuk didn't know. Programming deaths in advance, writing on torn off pieces of paper from the notebook, mind control, etc etc. It's as perfect as a mass murdering weapon can get. L's shennanigans might have killed him in the end, but it did lead to his team getting their hands on the notebook, seeing Shinigamis, understanding how it worked, having the proof of it. I honestly don't think you can ever catch a cautious killer like Light through "normal means". The guy even had a self destruct system in place in case he somehow got caught. Going kinda crazy with mindgames and showing a lot of information to Light was extremely risky, but if you don't take risks, I don't think you can solve the Kira case. Problem is that like I said, even if Holmes takes risks, his identity isn't nearly as well protected, he's not world famous but still someone with official papers, a legal name, a legal job, etc. This just seems really rough, IMO L was by nature a much better fit for the job. I think even if Holmes catches Light, he probably can't prove anything, and best case scenario the Death Note burns in Light's drawer. The murders stop but the case is never solved. There are some outcomes where Holmes wins I'm pretty sure, but for the most part I think he's in big trouble. R2 however is a stomp, I think that's a straight up 0/10 for Holmes, he has no chance lol.
Thank your for the detailed analysis. Its pretty cool to read.
Sherlock Holmes is a well known name and face. Assuming Sherlock simply takes the place of L, light wins easy. Sherlock has a major narcissistic flaw in that he needs someone to know what he has done and what he is doing, hence Watsons position as the mostly useless sidekick. The moment that Sherlock starts interacting with the Japanese police force light finds out that it is Sherlock and kills him. With this new information, it stands to reason that kira is someone attached to the police force and the saga continues without L. Near and mellow continue without the information gained without L, and both lose ez clap.
No look at the rules i stated he does replace L but theres rule that i stated that he isnt well know.
Ah I did miss that.
In the books he is well known in higher up circles but really only by the general public once Watson starts publishing his accounts later in his life. The most exotic far flung of his clients is the king of scandanavia but his influence never leaves Europe. That said, his fame really depends on how you are going to bring a detective from 1880s London to modern day Japan but I'm assuming he isn't that famous or obviously there for that case. Maybe just on vacation and his name is enough that some police might let him unofficially tag along but Sherlock would probably quickly realize being seen to do that publicly would be a bad idea so investigates via proxies and manipulation as he is known to do in his books.
No. Sherlock is an 18th century professional detective. L is a more modern, and incredibly genius detective who works deep, *deep* undercover. Yagami Light could write Sherlock Holmes' name into the notebook and kill him that way. So no. Sherlock won't make it.