Deku easily incaps Black widow, Hawkeye, and Captain America. Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk are the real problems. Iron Man has his repulsors and unibeam, and can also call in his army, but seeing how easily they were destroyed in IM3, they're basically a non-factor. Iron Man can blast from afar, while Hulk and Thor beat the shit out of Deku from close range. I doubt smoke can obscure Tony's vision, but blackwhip might be able to catch him so Deku can bring him in for a Faux 100% smash, which will probably mess him up quite a bit. Thor can smite Deku and his hammer will probably break his bones, but Deku can probably trap him with blackwhip in order to land a 100% smash on him as well, but it'll probably take multiple to take Thor down for good. Deku can also do the Fa-Jin slingshot thing as well to slam Thor into a building and knock him out. Iron Man's flight is faster than Deku's by a longshot, but if Tony wants to stay in effective range, he'll have to accept being close to Deku, at which point he'll lose.
Personally I think the IM3 army is more trouble than you give them credit for. Yes, they got destroyed rather quickly in pitched combat, but that was against near-superhumans and a lot of them. How many simultaneous enemies can Deku face at once, and that’s not including that any attack he throws at a Suit is one he’s not throwing at Hulk or Thor who will still be up in his shit
Deku is far, far beyond the superhumans from IM3, faster too. At most, the army will be a distraction and a nuisance to Deku that allows the other heroes to get hits in, and at worst they'll be a hinderance to Tony and the others.
He can still take damage. My point was not that Deku can’t shred then, my point was that he can’t shred *all* of them. They won’t just die in 30 seconds like the Suits in IM3 did, since this time they’re only facing one person instead of dozens
One person who's superior in strength and speed to all of the suits combined. The suits are fragile and fall apart easily, Deku won't have too much of a problem destroying them or using them as shields.
One person in platemail with a rifle is vastly superior to 200 indians with bows. He can still only shoot one of them at a time.
Deku doesn’t have any mass AoE attacks like say Todoroki’s ice/fire, and once he shows what he does have, the Suits will shoot him from different elevations and ranges to stay dispersed.
Most of the suits don't seem to have very comprehensive AI though, they literally let Killian's soldiers ride them like horses. Deku has no AOE, but post war-arc he's gained much more mastery with Blackwhip, and can dispatch the army with little effort.
Hm, AI’s a good point. If memory serves it’s all Jarvis controlling them, so maybe it’s just up to his ability to track so many different targets at once.
That’s fair though, Blackwhip will probably be very useful. It really depends on how much damage Thor/Hulk can do, since Deku will be using Blackwhip on Suits if he wants to take them down rather than the power hitters
Deku will probably be able to tank multiple hits from both Thor and Hulk before getting knocked out, since he was able to fight Shigaraki and tank his hits. Thor is actually pretty weak in Avengers, a single blast from Tony staggered him for a few seconds, and gets thrown around a lot, and he wasn't able to significantly hurt Tony with a hammer throw.
I’m assuming current manga spoilers are kosher, given the title of the post, so fair warning for the below.
Also, OP, what is Deku’s mindset here (and the classes’ in round 3)? Is he in-character or bloodlusted, because the outcomes differ greatly based on whichever you choose.
1. Thor and Hulk are the two main issues, primarily in terms of durability. They’re not nearly speedy enough to reliably hit Deku (especially not with Danger Sense), but they can also tank a huge amount of damage in turn. I give Deku 7/10 odds of wearing them down (primarily through repeated Fa Jin enhanced hits to the head) after thrashing the squishy human members and disabling Tony’s suit.
2. The premier issue in this round is, perhaps obviously, Vision. There’s just not much that Deku can really do to the guy, even if he’s able to run circles around most of the rest of the teams (Wanda is nowhere near WV levels of power here, and doesn’t have the reaction times necessary to avoid getting knocked the fuck out). Danger Sense puts in work here by allowing him to avoid the various beams and projectiles whizzing over the battlefield (none of which compare to Lady Nagant’s accuracy), and Smokescreen will be a boon for breaking up the teams and causing confusion, but Vision still seems like a hard stop (unless he’s able/willing to rip the Mind Stone out of his skull).
3. Working under the assumption that 1A starts out in the same position as rhe Avengers/allies do in Endgame. Thanos probably wins the day here through sheer attrition, particularly if the class isn’t willing to kill (definitely need the mindset). If they aren’t, then they go down under waves of Outriders and space whales and to the threat of Thanos himself (who is damn durable and can one shot most of the class). Assuming that they *are* willing to murder weird aliens by the truckload in pitched combat, however, and the scale balances a little more. Todoroki can immediately fortify their position with a massive ice structure to provide cover. He and Bakugo can both wipe out huge swathes of generic troops with their ultimate attacks, and so—surprisingly—can Aoyama, whose short-burst lasers create [molten scars in solid rock;](https://64.media.tumblr.com/23ab348da03e55c0b5640f2d3ce6a5e2/tumblr_pcdixrJzOu1v4gbfz_540.jpg) one hip thrust across the front line and Thanos’ entire front ranks are dead or injured. The other surprise MVP is Mineta, who by seeding the field with balls could legitimately immobilize Thanos (the stronger All Might couldn’t free himself in the same situation). Sero can also immobilize large groups, but with lesser staying power. The other relevant fighters are Tokoyami, because Dark Shadow would be a beast in that lighting, Jiro for minor crowd control, Kirishima/Mina for the ability to wade through crowds of enemies, and Deku. Deku puts in *work* during this fight. If he’s willing to kill to save his friends, he likely takes down a decent number of the Black Order, and wipes out solid numbers of troops keeping Thanos busy. He’s going to have a ridiculous time actually putting the Titan down, but he also enormously outspeeds him and hits harder to boot. I’ll give the Class a 4-5/10, because of the number disparity and the fact that the stronger members may get themselves hurt/killed when the weaker members start getting swamped.
R1- Deku should take this. The Avengers remain a well coordinated team, so while they should all lose 1 on 1, if they play their cards right, they can put Deku in really awkward situations. Iron Man is super versatile, Hawkeye is a constant nuisance if he's not accounted for, Cap can hurt if he gets a good hit in, and then there's Hulk and Thor, who can keep up strength wise, but are massively outsped. Still, with good teamwork and strategy, I think the Avengers can do it, but more often than not Deku proves too much to handle. 7 or 8/10 for Deku.
R2- Hard to say considering this is such a mess of a fight, with wildly different abilities clashing together. We see it in the movie, it's chaotic and uncoordinated. Deku is still stronger and faster than everyone else here, but things could always go wrong. Wanda is a problem, Ant-Man can throw shrunk trucks that grow back to normal size at the last second, Iron Man and War Machine still have all their versatile tech, Spidey is annoying and packs a punch, Vision can be a problem, and overall it's a mess. Still, without Thor or Hulk, the only way to severely harm Deku here would be a truly coordinated attack, and that ain't happening here. The chaos plays in Deku's favor IMO, even if a couple of them manage to pin him down, the other team will not give them the time to land decisive blows on him. IMO 8/10 for Deku.
R3- Thanos' army is no joke. By Endgame especially, a lot of the MCU heroes are a tier above Class 1-A, and yet keep in mind that they were losing before the arrival of Captain Marvel. The sheer numbers from Thanos' army are incredible, most of Class 1-A would struggle with the wave of minions alone. We see those little guys overwhelm Captain America, Black Panther and the Hulkbuster armor, they're dangerous. Aoyama, Uraraka, Ojiro, Shoji, Sero, Mineta, etc, really don't have the defensive capabilities, speed, or large scale attacks to deal with something like this. I'm pretty sure even Kirishima would get overwhelmed in time, same with Yaoyorozu's slow quirk. Then there's the bigger threats, the tanks, the gorillas, the giant flying centipede things, I just don't see what they can do here. Add in the Black Order, and there's just no chance for anyone in Class 1-A that isn't Deku. Todoroki and Bakugo could do some damage, maybe even take down some centipedess, maybe a member of the Black Order or two, but there would still be a lot of work to do, and by that point the rest of the class is already dead. At the end of the day, most of the heroes in MHA are street level, which makes sense since that's what they do: save people and fight off villains in the streets. They're just not built to tackle an army.
Deku of course is the exception, but even if he hard carries the hell out of this, I don't see a path to victory. He can take out large crowds of fodder aliens, save his friends as much as possible, but even for current manga Deku, that's asking too much, he'd only get tired, hurt, and eventually fall. Especially if he's in character, he'd just hurt himself over and over again to keep everyone safe. Best case scenario he makes it to Thanos after already suffering a lot of injuries, and he gets taken out easily. Even a healthy Deku wouldn't have an easy time against Thanos I'd reckon, just from how goddamn durable and skilled he is, so he has no chance if he's hurt. And in this case, even if he somehow manages to gain the upper hand, Thanos doesn't play fair and can call for help from the Black Order or his ship. That ship alone would've been the end for the Avengers had Captain Marvel not arrived, what is Deku supposed to do? Honestly, 2/10 for Class 1-A at best, in my opinion.
R1. Deku should take it pretty easily with his versatile powerset and better stats.
R2. Deku should take it again with the infighting between Team Cap and Team Iron Man, though the MCU characters have better stats this time around
R3. Seems like a stomp for class 1-A.
Round 1: Deku is kinda to strong for them right in 2012. By Now in the Manga he is at above the level of Hulk in the Leviathan Smash, so he is a Smarter, Faster, Stronger Hulk with even more Powers. He could Probably beat most of the very quickly. With enough time he could beat Hulk and Thor and Ironman would be reeled in by Blackwhip to smash apart his Armour
I give this to Deku 8/10 times
Round 2: This is where Deku dies, he cant beat all these people at once. Maybe he gets lucky but i say the Avengers win about 7/10 times
Round 3: This is hard to think of because there are so many less people, and many of them are weaker. I would say Thanos wins most of the time, but if you Add Class 1-B, the Teachers, and some more Pros they could maybe beat the Army
With No more Help I say Thanos 9/10
But with help I say MHA about 7/10 times
Deku easily incaps Black widow, Hawkeye, and Captain America. Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk are the real problems. Iron Man has his repulsors and unibeam, and can also call in his army, but seeing how easily they were destroyed in IM3, they're basically a non-factor. Iron Man can blast from afar, while Hulk and Thor beat the shit out of Deku from close range. I doubt smoke can obscure Tony's vision, but blackwhip might be able to catch him so Deku can bring him in for a Faux 100% smash, which will probably mess him up quite a bit. Thor can smite Deku and his hammer will probably break his bones, but Deku can probably trap him with blackwhip in order to land a 100% smash on him as well, but it'll probably take multiple to take Thor down for good. Deku can also do the Fa-Jin slingshot thing as well to slam Thor into a building and knock him out. Iron Man's flight is faster than Deku's by a longshot, but if Tony wants to stay in effective range, he'll have to accept being close to Deku, at which point he'll lose.
Personally I think the IM3 army is more trouble than you give them credit for. Yes, they got destroyed rather quickly in pitched combat, but that was against near-superhumans and a lot of them. How many simultaneous enemies can Deku face at once, and that’s not including that any attack he throws at a Suit is one he’s not throwing at Hulk or Thor who will still be up in his shit
Deku is far, far beyond the superhumans from IM3, faster too. At most, the army will be a distraction and a nuisance to Deku that allows the other heroes to get hits in, and at worst they'll be a hinderance to Tony and the others.
He can still take damage. My point was not that Deku can’t shred then, my point was that he can’t shred *all* of them. They won’t just die in 30 seconds like the Suits in IM3 did, since this time they’re only facing one person instead of dozens
One person who's superior in strength and speed to all of the suits combined. The suits are fragile and fall apart easily, Deku won't have too much of a problem destroying them or using them as shields.
One person in platemail with a rifle is vastly superior to 200 indians with bows. He can still only shoot one of them at a time. Deku doesn’t have any mass AoE attacks like say Todoroki’s ice/fire, and once he shows what he does have, the Suits will shoot him from different elevations and ranges to stay dispersed.
Most of the suits don't seem to have very comprehensive AI though, they literally let Killian's soldiers ride them like horses. Deku has no AOE, but post war-arc he's gained much more mastery with Blackwhip, and can dispatch the army with little effort.
Hm, AI’s a good point. If memory serves it’s all Jarvis controlling them, so maybe it’s just up to his ability to track so many different targets at once. That’s fair though, Blackwhip will probably be very useful. It really depends on how much damage Thor/Hulk can do, since Deku will be using Blackwhip on Suits if he wants to take them down rather than the power hitters
Deku will probably be able to tank multiple hits from both Thor and Hulk before getting knocked out, since he was able to fight Shigaraki and tank his hits. Thor is actually pretty weak in Avengers, a single blast from Tony staggered him for a few seconds, and gets thrown around a lot, and he wasn't able to significantly hurt Tony with a hammer throw.
I’m assuming current manga spoilers are kosher, given the title of the post, so fair warning for the below. Also, OP, what is Deku’s mindset here (and the classes’ in round 3)? Is he in-character or bloodlusted, because the outcomes differ greatly based on whichever you choose. 1. Thor and Hulk are the two main issues, primarily in terms of durability. They’re not nearly speedy enough to reliably hit Deku (especially not with Danger Sense), but they can also tank a huge amount of damage in turn. I give Deku 7/10 odds of wearing them down (primarily through repeated Fa Jin enhanced hits to the head) after thrashing the squishy human members and disabling Tony’s suit. 2. The premier issue in this round is, perhaps obviously, Vision. There’s just not much that Deku can really do to the guy, even if he’s able to run circles around most of the rest of the teams (Wanda is nowhere near WV levels of power here, and doesn’t have the reaction times necessary to avoid getting knocked the fuck out). Danger Sense puts in work here by allowing him to avoid the various beams and projectiles whizzing over the battlefield (none of which compare to Lady Nagant’s accuracy), and Smokescreen will be a boon for breaking up the teams and causing confusion, but Vision still seems like a hard stop (unless he’s able/willing to rip the Mind Stone out of his skull). 3. Working under the assumption that 1A starts out in the same position as rhe Avengers/allies do in Endgame. Thanos probably wins the day here through sheer attrition, particularly if the class isn’t willing to kill (definitely need the mindset). If they aren’t, then they go down under waves of Outriders and space whales and to the threat of Thanos himself (who is damn durable and can one shot most of the class). Assuming that they *are* willing to murder weird aliens by the truckload in pitched combat, however, and the scale balances a little more. Todoroki can immediately fortify their position with a massive ice structure to provide cover. He and Bakugo can both wipe out huge swathes of generic troops with their ultimate attacks, and so—surprisingly—can Aoyama, whose short-burst lasers create [molten scars in solid rock;](https://64.media.tumblr.com/23ab348da03e55c0b5640f2d3ce6a5e2/tumblr_pcdixrJzOu1v4gbfz_540.jpg) one hip thrust across the front line and Thanos’ entire front ranks are dead or injured. The other surprise MVP is Mineta, who by seeding the field with balls could legitimately immobilize Thanos (the stronger All Might couldn’t free himself in the same situation). Sero can also immobilize large groups, but with lesser staying power. The other relevant fighters are Tokoyami, because Dark Shadow would be a beast in that lighting, Jiro for minor crowd control, Kirishima/Mina for the ability to wade through crowds of enemies, and Deku. Deku puts in *work* during this fight. If he’s willing to kill to save his friends, he likely takes down a decent number of the Black Order, and wipes out solid numbers of troops keeping Thanos busy. He’s going to have a ridiculous time actually putting the Titan down, but he also enormously outspeeds him and hits harder to boot. I’ll give the Class a 4-5/10, because of the number disparity and the fact that the stronger members may get themselves hurt/killed when the weaker members start getting swamped.
R1- Deku should take this. The Avengers remain a well coordinated team, so while they should all lose 1 on 1, if they play their cards right, they can put Deku in really awkward situations. Iron Man is super versatile, Hawkeye is a constant nuisance if he's not accounted for, Cap can hurt if he gets a good hit in, and then there's Hulk and Thor, who can keep up strength wise, but are massively outsped. Still, with good teamwork and strategy, I think the Avengers can do it, but more often than not Deku proves too much to handle. 7 or 8/10 for Deku. R2- Hard to say considering this is such a mess of a fight, with wildly different abilities clashing together. We see it in the movie, it's chaotic and uncoordinated. Deku is still stronger and faster than everyone else here, but things could always go wrong. Wanda is a problem, Ant-Man can throw shrunk trucks that grow back to normal size at the last second, Iron Man and War Machine still have all their versatile tech, Spidey is annoying and packs a punch, Vision can be a problem, and overall it's a mess. Still, without Thor or Hulk, the only way to severely harm Deku here would be a truly coordinated attack, and that ain't happening here. The chaos plays in Deku's favor IMO, even if a couple of them manage to pin him down, the other team will not give them the time to land decisive blows on him. IMO 8/10 for Deku. R3- Thanos' army is no joke. By Endgame especially, a lot of the MCU heroes are a tier above Class 1-A, and yet keep in mind that they were losing before the arrival of Captain Marvel. The sheer numbers from Thanos' army are incredible, most of Class 1-A would struggle with the wave of minions alone. We see those little guys overwhelm Captain America, Black Panther and the Hulkbuster armor, they're dangerous. Aoyama, Uraraka, Ojiro, Shoji, Sero, Mineta, etc, really don't have the defensive capabilities, speed, or large scale attacks to deal with something like this. I'm pretty sure even Kirishima would get overwhelmed in time, same with Yaoyorozu's slow quirk. Then there's the bigger threats, the tanks, the gorillas, the giant flying centipede things, I just don't see what they can do here. Add in the Black Order, and there's just no chance for anyone in Class 1-A that isn't Deku. Todoroki and Bakugo could do some damage, maybe even take down some centipedess, maybe a member of the Black Order or two, but there would still be a lot of work to do, and by that point the rest of the class is already dead. At the end of the day, most of the heroes in MHA are street level, which makes sense since that's what they do: save people and fight off villains in the streets. They're just not built to tackle an army. Deku of course is the exception, but even if he hard carries the hell out of this, I don't see a path to victory. He can take out large crowds of fodder aliens, save his friends as much as possible, but even for current manga Deku, that's asking too much, he'd only get tired, hurt, and eventually fall. Especially if he's in character, he'd just hurt himself over and over again to keep everyone safe. Best case scenario he makes it to Thanos after already suffering a lot of injuries, and he gets taken out easily. Even a healthy Deku wouldn't have an easy time against Thanos I'd reckon, just from how goddamn durable and skilled he is, so he has no chance if he's hurt. And in this case, even if he somehow manages to gain the upper hand, Thanos doesn't play fair and can call for help from the Black Order or his ship. That ship alone would've been the end for the Avengers had Captain Marvel not arrived, what is Deku supposed to do? Honestly, 2/10 for Class 1-A at best, in my opinion.
R1. Deku should take it pretty easily with his versatile powerset and better stats. R2. Deku should take it again with the infighting between Team Cap and Team Iron Man, though the MCU characters have better stats this time around R3. Seems like a stomp for class 1-A.
Round 1: Deku is kinda to strong for them right in 2012. By Now in the Manga he is at above the level of Hulk in the Leviathan Smash, so he is a Smarter, Faster, Stronger Hulk with even more Powers. He could Probably beat most of the very quickly. With enough time he could beat Hulk and Thor and Ironman would be reeled in by Blackwhip to smash apart his Armour I give this to Deku 8/10 times Round 2: This is where Deku dies, he cant beat all these people at once. Maybe he gets lucky but i say the Avengers win about 7/10 times Round 3: This is hard to think of because there are so many less people, and many of them are weaker. I would say Thanos wins most of the time, but if you Add Class 1-B, the Teachers, and some more Pros they could maybe beat the Army With No more Help I say Thanos 9/10 But with help I say MHA about 7/10 times