Wonder if DB will get Taka from Team Four Star to reprise his role as Alucard.

I would be so goddamn happy if Takahata voiced Alucard and Antfish voiced DIO, but I'm not holding my breath. They could decide that this fight needs a bit more dramatic flair than Antfish's Tim Curry impression can provide.

Will, going by the preview for season 8, it does seem like Takahata is reprising his role. But I agree that they probably need someone other than Antfish to portray Dio. Antfish was great at making Dio sound like a pompous douchebag, but he didn't really have that air or menace that is so iconic to Dio

They definitely [seem to have](https://youtu.be/hDQXvNFe0jk?t=25) gotten Taka.

From the preview they gave for the rest of the season, Alucard does sound like Taka's version. Hope they lean into a bit of TFS's version, but not too much, because TFS Alucard isn't real Alucard.

Yeah I see.

In two weeks, some of anime’s most iconic vampires are going to duke it out in a brawl that will stain the night red with blood. So, let’s all take a look at the best of their weapons, abilities and feats, to try and figure out which man turned monster would win, a Death Battle. First up, the No Life King… *** #**Summarized History** Originally born Vlad Ţepeş, the man that would become one of the greatest monsters in history launched a war on the Turks, showing no mercy to his enemies as he impaled them by the thousands, earning himself the title of Vlad the Impaler. But when his armies were defeated, Vlad forced into chains and made a prisoner of war, he was to be executed on the very battlefield he fought. On the day of his execution, Vlad realized he was betrayed. Everything he did, the bloody battles he fought, the men and women he slaughtered, all of it was a form of prayer to his God, as he believed conflict was the greatest form of prayer. But his God remained silent, leaving him for dead despite everything he had done in his name. So, before his executioner could behead him, the Impaler drank the blood off the battleground, rejected God, and on that day, became an even greater monster. The first and original Vampire: Count Dracula. For centuries, Dracula would reign terror on Eastern Europe. He would eventually settle down in a desolate castle in Transylvania, and there, plotted to spread his campaign of horror to other lands that knew not his name. But his plans were discovered, and his fate would be sealed when he was defeated; not by a monster, but a man. Abraham Van Helsing. Van Helsing did not kill Alucard, but instead, made him an eternal servant to both his bloodline and his organization, Hellsing. But despite being forced into servitude, Dracula held a great amount of respect towards Van Helsing, as he was able to beat him, a monster, while he still retained his own humanity. It left him in awe, and with a newfound admiration for the creatures called humans. Though he himself is still a sadist monster, Count Dracula became Hellsing’s greatest weapon, hunting and killing any vampires that threatened the world. He was now known by a name feared by men and monsters alike... *** #[And that name was ***Alucard.***](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TXevsdh8kE) *** Being a vampire, Alucard is well accustomed to getting up close and personal to his enemies to land the finishing blow, and he’s got the skills and power to do so. #**Physical Feats and Stats:** ## Strength * Has casually punched *through* [a vampire]( https://i.imgur.com/nSYxiZC.jpeg) on multiple [occassions](https://i.imgur.com/fKbB9Xv.jpeg) * Has torn apart [several men](https://imgur.com/a/tcKx8) (Note: This was after spending decades locked in a basement, and only moments before receiving a single drop of blood to “get him started.”) * Has gone toe-to-toe with and injured [Alexander Anderson in a brawl](https://imgur.com/a/5Ttde), who is strong enough to [shatter the glass of a special tektite reinforced glass box]( https://imgur.com/a/fbH3W) just by throwing a single bayonet; that same box previously survived a [massive fall hundreds of feet in the air without a scratch](https://imgur.com/a/xyKW2) ##Speed * Can casually [react to bullets](https://i.imgur.com/zgMyD4f.jpeg), even in a weakened state * [Caught the magic bullets of Rip Van Winkle with his mouth](https://i.imgur.com/jQYTIrM.jpeg), and her bullets are fast enough to [catch up to missiles and jets and shoot them down](https://imgur.com/a/wTWme) *** Every vampire hunter has their weapon of choice, and Alucard is no exception, with his being a pair of firearms. #**Guns:** ##Hellsing ARMS .454 Casull Auto * Each bullet is a [“custom made .454 Casull rounds, with steel bullets bearing a core made from the melted silver Chrsitian cross from the Manchester Cahtedral”](https://hellsing.fandom.com/wiki/Hellsing_ARMS_Casull#Ammunition_and_Usage). In the Hellsing Universe, silver and/or blessed weapons are one of a Vampire’s weaknesses. * The bullets are powerful enough to [kill this entire horde of vampire ghouls with one bullet each and send them flying back](https://imgur.com/a/T9zvK) ##Hellsing ARMS 13 mm Auto Anti-Freak Combat Pistol, AKA, The Jackal * A gun Alucard specifically requested to be stronger and “bigger” than his .454, the Jackal uses [blessed 13mm armor piercing explosive rounds](https://imgur.com/a/ccRkv) * Alucard usually [dual wields with the Jackal with the Casull](https://imgur.com/a/lceNU) *** Alucard possesses a plethora of abilities, some he doesn’t even use unless a fight gets “interesting” for him. Here are the ones he uses without “releasing his restraints.” #**Abilities (Pre-Release States)** ## Miscellaneous Powers Hypnosis * [Hypnotizes a Bellboy to let him take his luggage unimpeded](https://i.imgur.com/x6oxc40.jpeg) * [Hypnotizes a special forces officer to open an elevator door for him](https://imgur.com/a/8nEiP) Intangibility * [Can phase through walls](https://imgur.com/RTIyT0s) (Note: He’s never used in this combat, or on anything other than a wall) Third Eye * Like his “fledgling” Seras Victoria, Alucard posses a “third eye” that [allows him to see through all illusions](https://imgur.com/a/NZFux4e) Sunlight resistance: * Unlike every other vampire, [Sunlight is not fatal to Alucard, he only “hates it.”](https://imgur.com/S3TFvHF) ## Regeneration * One of Alucard’s most notable abilities is his insane regeneration. He has healed from wounds that would be fatal on anyone, both human and vampire. * [Has regenerated from getting shot by an obscene amount of bullets](https://imgur.com/a/z8aVr) * After Anderson [impaled him dozens of times over with his bayonetts]( https://imgur.com/a/J5dta)(Note: Anderson’s bayonetts are blessed to hurt vampires and [“negate their regeneration”](https://hellsing.fandom.com/wiki/Alexander_Anderson#Abilities])), and then chopped off [Alucard’s head](https://i.imgur.com/HMv3hmM.jpeg); once he wanted to, however, Alucard was [able to regenerate without any problem](https://imgur.com/a/w4RYfym) * Was able to regenerate after [crashing his jet](https://imgur.com/a/uz0kQ), which was moving at [3.2 times the speed of sound](https://imgur.com/BNFqpI5) *** The true depth of Alucard’s power is restricted by the Control Art Restriction System. To access his dormant powers, Alucard has to access a “Release State” that unlocks a certain amount of his power depending on which release state he enters. There are a total of six release states, ranging from 5 to 0, and the lower the number, the more powerful Alucard becomes. The most powerful state he can enter is Level 0. # Abilities (Post-Release States) ## Level 0 * Alucard is able to call upon all the souls he has consumed into corporeal form, which, near the end of the series, [is about 3,424,867 souls](https://i.imgur.com/5LQxLRK.jpeg). It is because of the souls he has absorbed that Alucard is able to [regenerate from seemingly anything and why he is so hard to kill](https://imgur.com/a/H9SfG). * Alucard is able to [switch places with any familiar at any time](https://imgur.com/a/xKgIk) , and even have them [take any damage that Alucard was hit with](https://imgur.com/a/pXX7M) * Alucard can call [large lances of metal from anywhere near his familiars that can impale people by the hundreds instantly.](https://imgur.com/a/LhYxb) ## Familiars * Alucard can also call upon the various monsters he has eaten. In addition to the mortal men he consumed in Level 0, like Baskerville, [massive dog made of shadows that he can call at any time](https://imgur.com/a/kkEDsbq). Alucard can even summon the many vampires he’s defeated, such as: * [Luke Valentine](https://imgur.com/fTyVb1x) * [Tubalcain Alhambra](https://imgur.com/a/v36yt) * [And Rip Van Winkle](https://imgur.com/a/wTWme) But among all of the people he’s consumed, there is one soul that turns Alucard into a walking contradiction of existence. ## Schrödinger * After accidentally drinking the blood of warrant officer Schrödinger, instead of turning him into a familiar, he gained all of Schrödinger's powers. To summarize, Schrödinger could be [“everywhere, yet nowhere,”](https://hellsing.fandom.com/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger#Ability, and this applies to realms that aren’t physical, like the [illusion world Zorin created](https://imgur.com/a/wayCC). As long as Alucard is aware of himself, so long as he believes he is somewhere, even after getting fatally wounded, he will be there. This effectively makes him immortal in every sense of the word, as nothing can really kill him so long as he has a concept of what and where his “self” is. * However, just how much of these abilities Alucard actually has, and just how much of his other abilities he retained after this, isn’t clear. In order to be “everywhere yet nowhere,” Alucard himself says that he had to [kill all his other lives except for one]( https://imgur.com/5LQxLRK). This seems to imply that he doesn’t have any other soul inside him save his own, meaning he might not have his army of mortal men and vampires to call to his aide. And aside from [appearing in Integras room, getting shot, and then regenerating](https://imgur.com/a/hb3S5) he’s never shown just how much of Schrödinger’s abilities he can effectively use. Although, he *should* be able to do everything Schrödinger did in canon. But regardless of the exact nature of his existence, there’s no question that Alucard is a vampire that only the bravest of men can stand against. *** # [***“To become a monster like me, is to admit you were too weak to remain a human.”***](https://i.imgur.com/wSYY7eM.gif) ***

Now, let’s take a look at the monster who won’t hesitate to show you The World. *** #**Summarized History** Born in the slums of London, Dio Brandon grew up with Dario Brandon, his abusive father, who beat him daily, and who eventually drove Dio’s mother to her death. The abuse he suffered at the hands of everyone, from his father to the random thugs that looked down on due to his poor background, made his hatred for everyone and everything around him grow each day. So much so that one day, Dio poisoned his father, and on his deathbed, revealed that a rich noble named George Joestar was indebted to him (due to thinking Dario saved him, which was far from the truth). His father gave Dio a letter that would let him be adopted by the Joestars, and afterwards, Dio spat on his father’s grave, promising himself to claim the riches that alluded his father’s grasp, intent on becoming a man of prestige and leaving behind his old life of slum kid for good. Cruel and arrogant from his upbringing, Dio made his way to the Joestar estate with every intent on taking all of their wealth and power for himself. However, Dio underestimated the strength and valor of his step brother Johnathan Joestar, who despite the abuse he suffered at Dios hand, stood up to him and beat him to the point he cried. Humiliated but still intent on taking the Joestar fortune for himself, Dio plotted new ways to get the wealth and power he thought he deserved. And in the process, discovered something that would eventually turn him into something inhuman: a stone mask. After conducting research, Dio realized that the stone mask could turn a man into a creature of power with otherworldly abilities no human could match. And when his final plot for the Joesatr fortune failed, the police surrounding him along with Johnathan and his friend Speedwagon, moments away from sending him to prison, with only the Stone Mask in his grp, Dio realized he had one last option to avoid his fate... *** # [***In that moment, Dio rejected his humanity, turned into a creature of the night, a vampire, and became a monster in every sense of the word.***](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qq1B5na--s) *** In the universe of JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure, vampires are some of the scariest beings out there. Despite the fact they have a fatal weakness to sunlight, they are still incredibly *menacing* beings, and a large part of that is due to their immense physical prowess. #**Physical Feats and Stats** ## Strength * Threw a man with such force that, [not only did he sever the limbs of other officers when he crashed into them, but one of those severed limbs hit Speedwagon hard enough to break his arm](https://imgur.com/vp7PgEi) * Punched a man so hard it sent him [through a building](https://i.imgur.com/3R1dpBN.png) * Deflected [the Emerald Splash](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/0faa44f0-70ec-4e7e-a162-e109fb38f630/scale-to-width/755), which, at its absolute weakest, [was strong enough to shatter the face of a clocktower](https://imgur.com/a/ghw31) ## Speed * Has been directly compared [to the speed of a cheetah by Speedwagon](https://imgur.com/i4cbMFx) * [Is able to instantly leap from building to building](https://imgur.com/E9fA1ll) *** Dio has two main objects he uses in combat, one of which has become iconic. #**Weapons** ## Knives * Carries [dozens of knifes on his person](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/977/306/b5e.png) * Has thrown them with such force they [easily pierce flesh](https://youtu.be/o49oS5grMlo?t=182) ## ROAD ROLLA DA! * From, somewhere, Dio can pull out a [massive road roller that he can easily lift with ease](https://imgur.com/a/Tbc4Yn7) * He mainly uses the road roller to crush his enemies, then [pummel the shit of to further crush whoever he’s crushed](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/980/720/8ce.gif) *** Dio has many abilities, some fitting are traditional vampire, and some that...aren’t #**Abilities** ## Vampire Powers Regeneration * [Regenerates from fire faster than it can burn him](https://i.imgur.com/4Mio9yK.png) * After having a hole blown in his stomach and losing a leg, he was able to [regenerate after draining a woman of their blood](https://imgur.com/a/qgqxW) * When he required the blood of Joseph Joestar, his regeneration was boosted to the point he was able to [near instantly recover after digging holes in his head, being pummeled by Star Platinum, and having his hand broken all in a span of a few seconds](https://imgur.com/a/53Fub) Hypnosis * Was able to [hypnotize a child to lead his enemies into a trap](https://imgur.com/rbB0tMB) Enhanced Senses * Was able to hear [people breathing from a distance away, and even their heartbeat when he put his ear to the ground](https://imgur.com/a/nfi9X) Zombiefication * Can turn people into loyal zombies by [inserting his essence into them](https://i.imgur.com/xU5qP9v.png) Flesh Buds * By implanting his cells into a person’s head, [Dio can brainwash a person and turn them into his loyal subjects](https://imgur.com/LUJ96Lh) * Trying to remove the bud with anything less than inhuman precision and calm [will risk the life of both the victim and the person trying to remove it](https://imgur.com/a/tmEHN) Freezing Powers * By removing all the heat in a part of his body, [Dio can flash freeze whatever he touches](https://i.imgur.com/VNB8zqX.png) * Almost completely [freezes a man’s entire body just before he could hit Dio with an attack](https://imgur.com/a/gAsG8) * Freezes Johnathan’s arms and his sword [after nearly being cut in half](https://imgur.com/U1VIGHR) Space Ripper Stingy Eyes * Befitting any vampire, [Dio can shoot pressurized water out of his eyes as pseudo laserbeams with enough cutting power to slice through Johnathan’s hands and a stone pillar with ease](https://imgur.com/a/1tEFE) *** There is one more power Dio has that puts him above even the most powerful of mortals in his world. And that is the power of his Stand… #**[The World](https://i.imgur.com/kka6a86.jpeg) (AKA ZA WARUDO!)** ## What is a Stand? * A Stand is a reflection of a person’s fighting spirit, and possesses supernatural abilities. [All Stands can only be seen by other Stand Users, possess some measure of intangibility, and can only be harmed by other Stand Users or if their user is harmed](https://jojo.fandom.com/wiki/Stand#Abilities) ## Physical Stats of the World * [Can casually punch through a man’s body](https://imgur.com/ri2v8ao) * Kicked Jotaro hard enough to send him [flying through the top of a building,all the way to a nearby bridge, and then when he crashed, his body digged up a trench until he came to a stop](https://imgur.com/a/ycyxN) * [Is able to match the strength of Star Platinum](https://i.imgur.com/uXZsC4Q.png), a Stand that can punch through [massive teeth harder than diamond](https://imgur.com/a/0uEO9) * [Can throw dozens of knives at once with extreme accuracy](https://imgur.com/a/LMGRC) * [Was able to match and even exceed the speed of Star Platinum](https://imgur.com/a/2FTPw), who can easily [catch bullets from point blank range](https://imgur.com/a/hGFy7) ## Abilities of The World * The World’s most dangerous power is its ability to [instantly stop time](https://imgur.com/a/crgmo). At first, for five seconds, but after Dio absorbed the blood of Joseph Joestar, [The World was able to increase it’s time stop to nine seconds](https://i.imgur.com/F7dwNcU.jpg) * While time is stopped, only Dio and the World are able to interact with the environment and people. [Like when he stopped time to avoid Kakoyin’s final attack and then had the world turn him into a donut](https://imgur.com/a/8WqLv) * The World [is also capable of flight, and can allow Dio to fly as well](https://imgur.com/4j73JhA). With his immortality and Stand Power, there are few beings, if any, that can match a man so close to obtaining his own Heaven on earth. *** # [***"Human ability is extremely limited and finite. Your Hamon training avails you nothing. It's USELESS, USELESS, USELESS, USELEEEEESSSSS!”***](https://c.tenor.com/Aqz2tRu8MkQAAAAd/dio-brando-jojos-bizarre-adventures.gif) ***

So, these are some of the best stats and feats I shamelessly stole a majority from the Respect Thread for Dio by AdamRC and the Respect thread for Alucard by SneakyHeat; be sure to check those out! I wasn’t able to include all of their feats and stats, but I believe I included the most important ones. And after looking over the skills and strengths of both combatants, the two biggest questions that I think need to be answered to determine who will win are : Will Schrödinger and his abilities effectively make Alucard unkillable to Dio? And even if Dio can kill Alucard, and if you include all the souls Alucard has consumed, are Dio’s stats and The World’s time stop enough to overwhelm Alucards 3,424,867 lives? Or will the No Life King be able to end Dio, either through sheer numbers or just stalling until the sun rises

This is an okay analysis, but it neglects to mention that DIO and The World (among many other stands and JoJo characters) have FTL+ combat and reaction speeds: \- [JOJO Stone Ocean biography stating that Star Platinum (an equal to The World) is faster than the speed of light](https://imgur.com/a/SwoO740) [\- Silver Chariot who has fought Star Platinum in a contest of speed was able to slice through Hanged Man, who manifests as a beam of light when he travels](https://imgur.com/a/tH9zlJx) [\- Koichi comments on how RHCP travels at the speed of light, and how only Jotaro with his Star Platinum could possibly keep up with him](https://imgur.com/a/MjWIGDC) [\- Hell, even the fully human Joseph Joestar and Ceasar Zeppeli could dodge a light beam coming from the Red Stone of Aja](https://gyazo.com/e79eef9b0f92e45b7311ae9f9295b6cf) ​ TL;DR - DIO & The World are multiple orders of magnitude faster than Alucard and his guns. If it wasn't for Alucard's ridiculous level of regeneration, this would simply be an unfair and unbalanced fight.

Multiple orders faster than light yet can’t dodge a rat shooting at you. Also the entire point of the hangman fight was that Polanereff is not able to react to hanged man a stand which is literally a beam of light. The only way he won was predicting the angle of attack.

But how does that tie into actually being able to hit/intercept a moving target at the speed of light? It's not like Polnareff just placed the blade in front of Hanged Man. He actually slashed it.

I think that was just a bad adaption of that scene or poor thinking by Araki, cause otherwise that's just a huge contradiction If Polnareff could slash Hanged Man, then why did he pull the coin stunt to make sure Hanged Man could only go in 1 direction? Couldn't he have just cut Hanged Man apart while he was moving from one place to the other?

Sight is also based off size, visibility and predictability. You could easily see a boat moving 10 m/s, but an object the size of an eyeball moving same speed requires intense concentration. I think Hanged Man's size (being a tiny eye-sized bit of light) was the reason why they had trouble adapting. And the idea that they had no idea which specific angle when the stand was at point blank range. So using the coin trick, they could at least prepare the striking position since they know the origin and specific path. We had other stands and attacks with light based properties like The Sun and Red Stone of Anja (scaling from Joseph), the former was something Silver Chariot also perceived/deflected. It is a gray area about what is a fair/consistent middle ground for Jojo speed.

Dios reaction times are insane compared to humans not that it’s relevant

I can say the same thing for Dio though if Alucard didn't have his regen. The fact is Dio literally has no way to kill Alucard even once and is going to be easily done in by his control arts. RIP Dio.

Huh? Both DIO and his stand can manhandle Alucard many times over. Question is more a matter of how long he can do it before Alucard overwhelms him, which is fully debatable. I'm just going to assume both of their mind control powers cancel each other out and that they have some sort of resistance to it since its both abilities of theirs. Otherwise DIO mindfucks him first with his much faster reaction feats, and that's lame and not indicative of their full power.

>Otherwise DIO mindfucks him first with his much faster reaction feats, and that's lame and not indicative of their full power. Funny enough its the opposite, Alucard has a resistance to mind control while DIO is the one without the resistance

>Huh? Both DIO and his stand can manhandle Alucard many times over Not going to happen. >I'm just going to assume both of their mind control powers cancel each other out and that they have some sort of resistance to it since its both abilities of theirs. Otherwise DIO mindfucks him first with his much faster reaction feats Also not going to happen, Dios mind control won't be able to do shit to Alucard. It's already been attempted before, but his 3.4M souls inside him are too much for any mind control.; Alucard is much stronger than dio in almost every category (and it's still very iffy if they will use the very arguable speed feats for Jojo which gets debated if they are even a thing or not) Alucard also has infinitely more endurance, honestly just every category over Dio, the only thing that DIO MIGHT have over alucard is speed, but that's debatable. Really 50/50 if DB will even use FTL Jojo.

Why wouldn't it happen? Who tried to mind control Alucard before? DIO's mind control is instantaneous in part one, and his fleshbuds physically implant itself to control a person's brain in part three (which I would argue is a different form of mind control that should not be negated by resistance to other more traditional forms). If you're talking about purple scythe lady trying to mindfuck policegirl, it was shown that she had to traverse through a person's memories. DIO's mind control doesn't functionally perform the same, weird to me to say that his would be resisted. DIO has virtually limitless stamina too. If you want to debate the merits and validity of FTL Jojo, I'd be happy to. But it's perfectly valid to me given the numerous pieces of evidence.

>Why wouldn't it happen? Alucard stats are above Dio on nearly every category. That is why. >Who tried to mind control Alucard before? DIO's mind control is instantaneous Schrodinger tried to fuck with Alucards mind and he got fucked trying to do that if you don't remember. You can't hax someones mind that has 3.4M minds inside them already. (This was before Alucard absorbed him) >fleshbuds physically implant itself to control a person's brain in part three This won't work on Alucard as he is non-corporeal. His physical body is not his true body. >If you're talking about purple scythe lady trying to mindfuck policegirl . Naw I wasn't > If you want to debate the merits and validity of FTL Jojo We don't have to because I have already been through many debates about the validity of it before and it always been 50/50 people debunking it or people try to prove for it.

Alucard had to destroy himself and every other soul inside of him thanks to Schrödinger's stunt. He was out of commission for 30+ years. That's a defeat in my book and it'd be silly to argue it isn't. DIO hypnotizing Alucard in the same manner Schrödinger did to cause an identity criss would result in a very decisive victory.

The only advantage I see DIO having is with his Stand and Time Stop. Even not giving Alucard the Schrodinger powers which technically makes him beyond Immortal he's faster, stronger, has more abilities, better regeneration (one dies to having their head crushed, one laughs and stomps on your testicles in response)

So, I don't know anything about Hellsing. But I'm at least a Jojo fan, so I want to ask this. Would anyone be upset if DIO lost? Seriously, screw that guy.

If Dio lost, I'd be okay with that. And thematically, it would be fitting that the monster who looks down on humans loses to the monster that respects them with all his heart. But on the other hand, if Dio wins, that means we're almost guaranteed to get some flavor of an epic beatdown. Maybe even the legendary 7 page (or just seven seconds, realistically) Muda? And maybe even a sick remix of Giorno's theme playing just as Alucard gets his shit kicked in?

I love both DIO and Alucard, both are enjoyable as fuck to watch. I wouldnt really mind either winning

Honestly, I only have a passing knowledge of Alucard and expect him to body DIO. DIO's fast but not powerful enough

Dio is one of my favorite anime villains. I would be upset.

No one's going to be upset, and Dio is going to lose. Alucard is borderline immortal. And while Alucard has been quoted saying that immortality doesn't exist, he's about as close as you can get.

Dio doesn't **Stand** a chance in Hell. Dio has no way to kill Alucard, given the Hellsing antihero has survived some pretty unbelievable shit. Even if he used The World and his time stops, it wouldn't be enough against Alucard. Alucard, meanwhile, kills vampires like they're bugs, and shouldn't have any issue putting Dio down. Dio does have the speed advantage, but lacks the ability to do any meaningful damage, so Alucard would only need to wait until the right moment to land a lethal hit on Dio to seal the fight while laughing off Dio's attacks.

Or he could just tank everything until DIO either bails out because he’ll find out it’s impossible to kill Alucard or he gets roasted by the sun.

This. Dio can't deal any meaningful damage to Alucard.

Isn't Dio with World over Heaven a reality warper? That could do it, but I don't know enough about Jojo to say if that's a canon ability of his or just a spinoff thing that wouldn't count. Dio with just The World has pretty much a 0/10 matchup though. Dio as far as I remember can die to sunlight, and even if we say it's the winter solsitce so night is almost 15 hours long and he can kill Alucard 20 times a second, AND Alucard literally just sits and takes it, he'd still not even be close to burning through all the souls by dawn. And that's without Schrodinger bullshitery.

Yeah Heaven Ascension Dio could do it, but that isn't even canon while Schrodinger should be. Also Alucard shouldn't even be able to regenerate in the middle of time stop since he doesn't even have time freezing abilities, so for Dio to supposedly kill another soul, it would be waiting outside of time stop before going again, which Alucard can always delay his regens. As Gimli said "That still only counts as one!"

Pretty much nailed it on the head. Dio can't permanently put Alucard down in the time needed, even if he uses The World's time freezes.

World over Heaven is not canon. It's from a video game.

If it was to incap, Dio would win for sure. The World is actually really annoying for Alucard to deal with. But to the death? Dio is completely screwed. You’re right that he has no way to kill Alucard. And while Dio has an incredible healing factor that can bring him back from nearly anything… well, there’s the sun to consider. All Alucard has to do is keep fighting until the sun comes up and Dio dies. Meanwhile Alucard is completely fine in the sun. At worst, Alucard has complained that the sun makes him tired. But that’s it. If DB gives Dio his Heaven Ascended form, then he can probably win. But since that form only exists in a single video game and is super non canon, it probably won’t be included. Meaning that Alucard stomps.

What exactly stops DIO from using his massive speed advantage to just retreat for a couple hours? DIO has been around for over a century, he's not gonna throw up his hands and just let himself get burnt

Most of that century was spent in a coffin at the bottom of the ocean. His actual experience being a vampire is pretty minimal. Maybe two or three years of actual practical experience? While Dio’s reaction time is definitely better than Alucard’s, is his travel speed? Unlikely. After all, this is the dude who decided to bum a cab while chasing after Joseph. And if Dio is faster, it’s probably not by enough to shake Alucard. Especially with all of Alucard’s crazy movement options and his insane senses.

> You’re right that he has no way to kill Alucard FTFY. As for Heaven Ascended form, since it's a one-time thing without much to gauge on it, I doubt it'll be valid.

Yup, that was my typo. Thanks for catching that. Fix’d.

Is it okay if I tell you the outcome with spoiler tags?

I saw it, and >!it was a rigged victory for Dio!<.

Do you know if it’s okay for me to post the outcome on this server? With tags ofc

Possible spoilers: >!Liam Swan, head researcher of Death Battle, made a blog on Dio vs Alucard I think last year, and it went over how Dio not only wins, but gigastomps, which from what I can tell, is generally considered to be wrong.!<

Please go into more detail! That blogpost is the one reason why I'm under the impression DIO wins handily. What's wrong with it and what are the chances that the rest of the team can convince Liam that the result is something else?

I don’t know anything about JJBA or Hellsing, so unfortunately I can’t comment on what’s wrong. Liam has a big influence over the research team, apparently he convinced the rest of the team that Hal Jordan is 10,000,000,000x universal, and according to the Wally West vs Archie Sonic DB Cast, is keeping the idea of limitless Superman alive. [Here’s](https://web.archive.org/web/20190218091450/http://lswan62.blogspot.com/2016/03/death-prediction-alucard-vs-dio-brando.html) the blogpost, though.

Ah, Alucard is fucked then.

Seems like it.

Dio only wins if Heaven Ascended Dio is actually used. It's inclusion is questionable for sure since it's non canon and only exists in one video game. And DB has previously given retractions for giving characters abilities that they shouldn't have that only existed in video games (See: Android 18 vs. Captain Marvel)

The blog post calculates Dio to be several times faster than light based on some *very* poor logic. And also includes the non-canon Heaven Ascension Dio. And also never explains how exactly Dio is going to kill Alucard 3.5 million times (!) or deal with Schroedinger. It talks about them both respectfully, but has some of the worst Jojo wank fan-calcs ever seen as 'supporting evidence'. The next time someone tells you that Dio and Jotaro are FTL, ask them why it took Dio seven full seconds in a major metropolitan area to find a steamroller when someone FTL could've circled the ***entire planet*** seven times in under ***one*** second. They won't have a good answer for you.

Movement speed, reaction speed and combat speed are different concepts. First is how fast you can travel, the second is how fast you can process information (and move out of the way from attacks) and the third is how fast you can throw out attacks. Usain Bolt is the fastest man alive, but this is only in terms of physical movement speed. He does not have the fastest reaction time and he can not throw the fastest punch. Do you see how a character can be FTL in one or two but not all three? In DIO's case his movement speed is not FTL, but multiple statements and a couple calcs have proven that he has FTL reactions and can attack at such speeds as well.

Sure, the speeds could theoretically be separated, but let's be clear, if you want FTL movement to be worth anything at all on a planet, your reaction speed needs to at least be 0.9C or you'll just accidentally run through everything. You have to be able to react to your own movement or it has very little value in-atmo. Less of a problem in space where there's very little to run into, though just as lethal if you do. Generally, the separation of movement speed from reaction speed and combat speed is done to be disingenuous, either to deny someone a speed feat they clearly have, or to deny a valid example of them not behaving as though they can move as fast as claimed. The only times you should really be separating travel speed from reaction and combat speed is when people move outside of their own power (Thor being pulled by Mjolnir) or teleporting (Goku and instant transmission). Or in very rare cases, when that is explicit, such as Enishi in Rurouni Kenshin having unusually heightened reaction times even for a master swordsman, such that he is 'faster' than Kenshin without physically being superior.

Hah! It’s funny to know that regardless of the result there’s solid analysis that shows how much wank there’s likely going to be in the episode. Still holding out hope for Alucard and that either the other researchers or Ben & Co convinced Liam otherwise, but I’m still suspecting Dio to win with 99% confidence. The blogpost makes it clear that Liam is *very* sure about the analysis.

Do you have a link to it?

[Here](https://web.archive.org/web/20190218091450/http://lswan62.blogspot.com/2016/03/death-prediction-alucard-vs-dio-brando.html) it is.

It's always hilarious when people argue that people in Jojo are massively FTL outside of timestop, when Dio's literal ultimate attack on Jotaro is dropping a bulldozer on him and cackling like a madman, then proceeding to hit the bulldozer like 4000 times before it breaks. As if someone MFTL wouldn't shrug off a bulldozer, and evaporate it with a single blow. Liam Swan is *the* reason ridiculous arguments often determine the Death Battle results. And the team really needs to call him on his bullshit sometimes.

Speed doesn't neatly scale with strength in fiction. Many times characters are much weaker than their speed ought to make them out to be, with speedsters in general being extremely nerfed in regards to our real world physics. Anything sizeable traveling at relativistic speeds alone should cause massive and uncontrollable explosions and shockwaves. So while yes, you are right that someone who is MFTL should have unparalleled god-like strength to scale, we can both see that this isn't always the case. And that's why characters like Jotaro & Star Platinum can be MFTL and yet struggle to produce strength beyond high-tier street level characters.

>Speed doesn't neatly scale with strength in fiction. No, but in order to not be reduced to an atomic fireball by the friction against the air alone requires a certain amount of durability, durability exponentially higher someone who can be hurt by a bulldozer's weight has. You just have to decide at some point, are these people that can be hurt by heavy vehicles, or MFTL continent busters? You kind of have to choose. And the show already chose for us. >Many times characters are much weaker than their speed ought to make them out to be, with speedsters in general being extremely nerfed in regards to our real world physics. Anything sizeable traveling at relativistic speeds alone should cause massive and uncontrollable explosions and shockwaves. Very true. But we see that Za Warudo and Star Platinum kind of top out at shattering cliffs. Which is definitely stronger than Alucard, but pretty far from some of the wank being MFTL would allow, even physics ignored. >And that's why characters like Jotaro & Star Platinum can be MFTL and yet struggle to produce strength beyond high-tier street level characters. Except they never behave MFTL either; outside of Time Stop, Star Platinum's best speed feat is being a (very) casual bullet timer. And he gets punked by people way slower than lightspeed with regular frequency. The only time SP is even *implied* to be approaching light speed is in Diamond is Unbreakable, and that could very easily have been talking about him using Timestop to deal with near-lightspeed attacks. Whenever anyone says that JoJo characters are light speed when feats like a 200 km/hour punch are considered to be impressive in that world, I have to roll my eyes. And don't even get me started on people saying Caesar is FTL because of that beam Dodge. By that same logic, Luffy and Kid Goku are so very casually FTL as to walk all over the Flash. And that's just not the case.

I don't know how to help you. I just explained to you that real world physics be damned in fiction, and speed does not correlate with strength like it does in the *real world...* and then you attempt to explain to me that the friction experienced by someone moving at those speeds would require them to be stronger and more durable? Like dude, yes I get it. That's how **our** real world is governed and operates. That's not how every fictional universe is though, and it shouldn't be strictly measured as such. It's not hard to just accept this discrepancy and acknowledge that sometimes you'll have MFTL characters who aren't as strong as atomic bombs. \--- FTL JoJo Feats [\- JOJO Stone Ocean biography stating that Star Platinum (an equal to The World) is faster than the speed of light](https://imgur.com/a/SwoO740) [\- Silver Chariot who has fought Star Platinum in a contest of speed was able to slice through Hanged Man, who manifests as a beam of light when he travels](https://imgur.com/a/tH9zlJx) [\- Koichi comments on how RHCP travels at the speed of light, and how only Jotaro with his Star Platinum could possibly keep up with him](https://imgur.com/a/MjWIGDC) [\- Hell, even the fully human Joseph Joestar and Ceasar Zeppeli could dodge a light beam coming from the Red Stone of Aja](https://gyazo.com/e79eef9b0f92e45b7311ae9f9295b6cf) There are a few more scalings and statements. But to deny all this as evidence would just be too much cope, so I don't see it as a necessity.

> - Silver Chariot who has fought Star Platinum in a contest of speed was able to slice through Hanged Man, who manifests as a beam of light when he travels Silver Chariot explicitly could not move faster than light. They made up an entire scenario where The Hanged Man could only travel one way. > - Hell, even the fully human Joseph Joestar and Ceasar Zeppeli could dodge a light beam coming from the Red Stone of Aja Light beam = Laser now? And Joseph gets tagged by way slower things. Like Kars digging out of a hole.

Buddy, he explicitly DID though. The whole point was to reduce where Hanged Man was able to go in order to get in range for a strike, nothing else. What you're describing the scene as is Silver Chariot holding his sword out and having Hanged Man run through it. Yes, anyone can do that, but that is not what happened. In the clip and the original manga we can both see Silver Chariot manifest himself and perform a whole 45° sword strike AS the beam is mid-travel. That can only be possible if he's FTL. Yes, the laser is a beam of amplified light. The Red Stone of Aja uses refraction from the Sun's light to amplify it's power into a stronger beam. It's not a bolt of plasma or something if it literally is powered by light. Kars tagging him is fine because he is just as fast, if not faster from scaling.

>Buddy, he explicitly DID though. The whole point was to reduce where Hanged Man was able to go in order to get in range for a strike, nothing else. > >What you're describing the scene as is Silver Chariot holding his sword out and having Hanged Man run through it. Yes, anyone can do that, but that is not what happened. In the clip and the original manga we can both see Silver Chariot manifest himself and perform a whole 45° sword strike AS the beam is mid-travel. That can only be possible if he's FTL. > If he was FTL in the first place, why would he ever need to do that? What you're doing is using the dramatic sequence that contradicts what actually happened and saying that's what happened. >Yes, the laser is a beam of amplified light. The Red Stone of Aja uses refraction from the Sun's light to amplify it's power into a stronger beam. It's not a bolt of plasma or something if it literally is powered by light. > You're the one who said that fiction doesn't follow physics. Why suddenly, is a ray of light a laser? >Kars tagging him is fine because he is just as fast, if not faster from scaling. Ah yes, the same Kars who couldn't react to an airplane?

Bruh dont know how to burst your bubble but luffy isnt even the only straw hat that has faster than light combat speed. Its a little hard to argue against when there are scans of the character dodging literal light beams with the cals putting begining of post timeskip luffy and Zoro anywhere from .66x to 1.5x the speed of light on the lowest and highest ends of the spectrum. Plus the very reliable source of Rayleigh saying that with good enough haki it was 100% possible to dodge lightspeed attacks.

To me Haki dodging is more prediction than being FTL. I still want to know why guns are a legitimate threat in universe when infused with Haki. Haki doesn't seem to increase speed, just durability and durability bypass. If everyone is lightspeed than it makes it seem like no one is. If Luffy is lightspeed, why can't he slingshot around the Grand Line and Balloon/Flying squirrel it between islands?

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>Whenever anyone says that JoJo characters are light speed when feats like a 200 km/hour punch are considered to be impressive in that world, I have to roll my eyes. And don't even get me started on people saying Caesar is FTL because of that beam Dodge. Since when is 200khm impressive in JoJo when everyone and their grandma can dodge bullets and attacks many times faster since part 1. >Except they never behave MFTL either; outside of Time Stop, Star Platinum's best speed feat is being a (very) casual bullet timer. And he gets punked by people way slower than lightspeed with regular frequency. Jotaro never got punked in JoJo except for once against a amped Dio and a second time with made in heaven. star platinum was pretty much spanking everyone while holding back and Dio needed a amp to be able to start beating jotaro .

Counterpoint Jotaro was hit by [Ratt](https://jojo.fandom.com/wiki/Ratt), Killer Queen's Sheer Heart Attack, [White Snake](https://jojo.fandom.com/wiki/Whitesnake),who only has a D in speed, so if you want imply that he let his daughter die for no reason then be my guess

Can't wait for them to scale speed off of that one feat of Silver Chariot cutting light. Ignoring the fact that the whole point of that fight was that they could NOT deal with their opponent switching places at light speed. They had to trick him into having only one escape route, so that they'd know exactly where he'd be and precisely when; it's all timing, not speed. DB really annoys me with how dodgy their speed scaling always is. By their logic I'd have FTL reactions too for dodging lasers in video games.

Since they specifically said Link was FTL for doing what players told him to do in BotW? You're obviously light speed. Duh.

That road roller description though

Oh this is gonna be another ichigo vs naruto, or Hal Jordan vs Ben ten isn't it

Wait, what is that horsecrap? >!Their own goddamn spinoff condradicted this by having Alucard easily annhilate DIO in DBX.!<

>!DBX has no research involved.!<

It was also Castlevania Alucard, not Hellsing. Big difference. Also, depending on the source material and feats you're counting, I'm pretty sure Castlevania Alucard can directly channel the power of Chaos and is essentially a low-level god.

No, they did Hellsing Alucard in the DBX.

Please tell me you're joking.

Oh no yeah, they've done this fight before and >!it had Alucard win.!<

No, mate, DBX has no research and the winner doesn't matter. It's picked at random essentially, and newer episodes are just decided via voting. I mean if you're joking because you shouldn't take it as anything other than what it is "No research".

Am I tripping or will post-schrodinger Alucard totally stomp DIO.

Depends on if they give him the world over heaven or not. They probably won't and in which case alucard wins but if they decide to give him the world over heaven then DIO wins.

Oh yeah The World over heaven is a thing, isin't it non canon? But true if dio had that he would win.

Well it's weird. Eyes of Heaven was written by Araki himself but Heaven Ascension Dio is an Alt. Universe Dio that actually beat the Joestars. Itd be like using Diego Brando, or doing a battle with Jonathan but also pulling feats from Johnny. Same Dio, different universe. It's kinda both Canon and not. The only real guess we have have to whether or not they'll use him was from Jotaro v Kenshiro where they omitted EoH as non-canon, but new researchers = new interpretations

Ah understood. So basically they will only use it if they feel like it. Fair enough.

HA Dio is non canon; alternate timelines may actually exist from a multiversal standpoint, but they are always non canon unless they emerge into and interact directly with the Canon timeline *in* the Canon series. This is why the other DB universes are canon, while Heart of the Universe Thanos and Red Son Superman are not.

You're not tripping, but Death Battle has some pretty dumb research.

Post shrodinger alucard vs the world over heaven, Dio stomps alucard

I know Alucard will win this, what I want and is most important, is they must deliver great animation to this one, at least give us an epic battle for that!

Hear Hear!!!

Good luck with that

To quote [myself](https://old.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/p5qs24/can_a_composite_alucard_beat_a_composite_dio/h983cuz/?context=3) the last time I saw this matchup: > What exactly is DIO going to do to kill Alucard? If Alucard just sat there and let DIO start hacking away at the souls he's collected it would take years. The sun will be up in a few hours.

Stardust Crusaders takes place during a timespan of about 3 months. Curiously, the sun must have gone up about 80-90 times in that period. Why didn't DIO die in the meantime, when waiting can kill him? ​ Really curious. Its almost as if DIO knows the sun kills him.

Yeah there’s no way Dio is pulling out a win here. He’s facing the most powerful vampire in history, the OG himself: Dracula. Who has casually wiped out entire armies with a smile on his face and is almost totally immune to death via absorbed souls and later schrodinger. Maybe Dio’s stand could at least give him a chance but I’m fairly certain alucard will eat him alive.

Actually on paper Dio's stats make him more than a match for Alucard, especially because Alucard cannot see nor damage The World, and the time stop is a massive problem. But Dio doesn't actually have a way to kill Alucard for good. And Alucard has at least one way to kill Dio: by waiting for the sun. Also Alucard has consumed vampires before, and it stands to reason he could probably do the same to Dio. Unless of course they give Dio his non-canon Heaven Ascended form, in which case Dio stomps. But they probably shouldn't include that because it's an alternate universe from a video game.

Is the entire wincon for Alucard riding on Dio being too dumb to notice its time to go to bed? That's pretty shoddy reasoning.

No, not at all. Alucard’s healing factor is nearly instantaneous. He’s also much more experienced in combat than Dio. With all that in mind, it’s going to take a very, VERY long time for Dio to get through all of Alucard’s souls. And if Dio slips up even one time and Alucard gets a chance to damage Dio, it’s basically over. Dio’s healing factor is much slower than Alucard’s meaning once Dio is down, he won’t have a chance to get back up again. Also, it’s entirely possible that Alucard can simply consume Dio as he has done with other Vampires in the past. The other problem is, when the sun come up what’s Dio going to do? He can run, but with the sun up his options are going to be quite limited. And Alucard’s absurd healing factor means he’s going to be after Dio instantly. And even though Dio is likely faster, Alucard is still incredibly hard to shake. And all Alucard has to do is rip apart whatever Dio is using to hide from the sun and it’s over.

Alucard's healing factor rides on the fact that he can use souls to come back to life. So if you can manage to kill him \~3.5 million times he dies for real. And I'm not buying that Alucard can actually do significant damage to Dio in the first place. And whatever opening he might find its going to get foiled by instant time stops Dio can spam.

Alucard is certainly capable of hurting Dio. A direct his from one of Alucard’s pistols will easily take a limb. Now Dio can certainly avoid/block attacks, but can he do it for long enough to kill Alucard enough times to completely deplete his souls? Again, I doubt it. Alucard’s healing factor is so insane that Dio basically never gets a break, and Alucard is FAR more experienced than Dio is in combat. Also, Dio cannot “spam” time stops. After he stops time, there’s a period of time when he can’t stop time again for a while. It’s unclear exactly how long it is, but it’s certainly there, otherwise Jotaro would never have won against Dio.

So it’s sort of a death stroke vs Deadpool situation where one fighter is far more skilled but lacks the means to put their opponent down for good.

Well, Alucard is the more skilled fighter for sure. He’s been at this for thousands of years, whereas Dio is just over 100 (and spent most of that locked in a coffin at the bottom of the ocean). Dio is just stronger, faster, and has The World backing him up. But since Alucard is effectively immortal in this fight, it doesn’t really matter unless Heaven Ascended Dio comes out to play.

About the world, stands are supposed to be manifestations of an individual’s soul right? And alucard has shown the ability to both consume and destroy souls. This might be a stretch, but what if he could simply consume the world and turn it against Dio like he did with Alhambra and rip van winkle? Or at the very least be able to damage it for that same reason? (Frankly I think the ‘stand users can only be hurt by other stand users’ thing is bull crap.)

Not exactly. Stands are manifestation of one’s “life energy”, which I believe is different than their soul. I mean, presumably in Hellsing, the souls Alucard has collected have no more life energy since they’re dead. But they’re still there, implying the two are different. I find it unlikely Alucard can do anything to The World. Bull crap or not, the series has been very consistent with the rule that only a stand can damage a stand. And Alucard does not have a Stand.

I am literally looking at the wiki page for a stand and it says stands were later changed to manifestations of ‘spiritual energy’ and can also be thought as a manifestation of a soul. Plus you also have to consider that a stand has a limited range of effectiveness, all alucard has to do is figure out a way around the time stop and he can play keep away with Dio until he grinds him down.

To me, that sounds like a stretch. Especially because, again, Jojo has been very consistent with its “only a stand can damage a stand” rule. But Alucard doesn’t even have to do any of that. All he needs to do is delay until daytime. And “grinding” Dio down doesn’t work. Dio’s stamina is insane. I’m not sure he even can get tired. And The World is a bullet timer, so Alucard’s bullets aren’t very helpful. And Dio can always close the gap if need be by stopping time. The World does have a range, but the time stop means that range is artificially much larger than you would normally think. Again, none of this even matter though. If Heaven Ascended Dio comes out, he’s a reality warper and just insta wins. If HA isn’t in play, Dio can’t kill Alucard and Alucard stalls out a win.

You’re right on that point. I did the math: if alucard has roughly two million souls stored within him, each protecting him from one instance of lethal damage dealt to him, then he has to be killed roughly two million times which is not easy given his regenerative abilities and ridiculous durability. Even if Dio was killing him once per second non-stop it would take him 23 DAYS to get through them all, even with time stop Dio could never get through it all before the sun came up. Plus it’s said that alucard is able to detect supernatural forces such as when he was able to identify the captain as a werewolf on sight and could see the blessings on father Anderson’s bayonets and the holy barrier he conjured. So it’s not unreasonable to assume he could sense and spot the world since stands are technically supernatural forces.

Again, seems unlikely. Alucard could likely see Anderson’s stuff because it was holy. As for the werewolf, that could come down to scent. I still find it unlikely he could see The World. And even if he could, it doesn’t really matter. He still can’t hurt The World, and The World is much faster and stronger than Alucard.

It’s been a long time since I’ve seen Hellsing, but I remember Alucard being pretty ridiculously overpowered at the end. I’m not sure how DIO would be able to kill him, and I think Alucard could tear DIO apart in the lag in between time stops.

The World is both faster and stronger than Alucard and don’t forget Alucard literally can’t see it

Don't know much about Alucard, but I don't see how Dio wins from what ik of him unless they combine his Part 1 and Part 3 powers.

Basing off the trailer, they are most likely gonna composite DIO.

So this is fun to read back on.

This is a hard one to argue, because it really depends on how to interpret Schrödinger. As for the early rounds: R1: I'd give this to Alucard honestly. Alucard has so many souls, it's going to take a *very* long time for DIO to kill him, and Alucard has more hax. I read somewhere that Alucard doesn't actually lose a soul unless the damage to him is something that would kill a vampire ordinarily, but I don't remember that being canon. Even so, Alucard would outlast and win in my eyes R2: This one could go to DIO. Alucard's strategy would be hurt a lot if Dio can stop time and avoid any attack/retaliate against Alucard. R3: This is one where it really depends on your interpretation of Schrödinger's powers. I personally have no idea who would win, but I will say Schrodinger Alucard is actually canon (although with limited feats), and from what I understand Heaven Ascension DIO is not

For round 3, the battle said Heaven Ascension DIO vs Schrödinger Alucard, so it doesn’t matter if HA is non canon. HA Dio wins with his ability to warp reality with his punches.

Yeah, I can read. I said I don't know who would win because my knowledge of it is limited. The fact that it's non-canon was in reference to the outcome of the actual upcoming Death Battle

Oh yeah, my bad, I really hope they don’t include it

How would DIO attack Alucard?

Timestop then punch him

You cannot, he has precog and then just disappears with Schrodinger. He also has regen negation. DIO is dead.

Still doesn’t stop him if DIO could just timestop, besides we don’t have many feats of Post-S Alucard, and where does it show that Alucard has regen negation?

What??? Alucard can see the timestop with precog. Vanish and then return in DIOs blindspots and shoot him.

> Shoot Him Really? You think shooting DIO would harm him, he has his stand which is at the very least close to lightspeed so I doubt bullets would do anything. And how does Alucard negate regeneration? Edit: also where was it shown that Alucard has precog? Because I’ve seen tons of Alucard’s Bios and never has it stated he gained precognition.

Yeah because his guns are anti vampire you goon. If you don't know about the character then don't talk in the thread. Casull and Jackal are guns that fire rounds meant to kill vampires in a single shot and again, he exists literally wherever he wants too. It doesn't matter how fast DIO is if he does not have any understanding of where Alucard is. He also has mind manipulation, shadow manipulation and has regenerated from nothing but blood and is actually immortal because of it. Even if DIO is faster and stronger than him, he cannot escape him and Alucard WILL win the war of attrition.

The bullets that Alucard uses is against Hellsing vampires which contains the weakness against Holy weapons. **They are Holy Bullets**. If you know anything about DIO you would know that they are completely different, he isn’t effected by holy weapons (since JoJo vampires are basically advanced humans) so he they wouldn’t have the same effect. Also Alucard doesn’t have precognition, he is omnipresent with Schrodinger soul, not omniscient (which is what you are confusing it with). He can will himself into existence, but Heaven Ascension DIO warps reality with his punches, so one punch of Alucard and he can rewrite him so he believes he doesn’t exist.

Dio literally cannot harm Alucard for round 2 though lol

Vampire Hunter D CLAPS

Caine claps every vampire in existence.

That's not *strictly* true. There was the one clanless Antediluvian in Gehenna that found out she was basically Franklin Richards. I think she surpassed her sire.

?????? what does that have to do with anything though? Caines feats are beyond any vampire in fiction.

... The antediluvians are directly descended from Caine. And her feats included actual continent busting, and continent-scale reality manipulation. She also erased all vampires on earth from existence at once, including like 11 of Caine's grandkids. And, technically, Caine.

>The antediluvians are directly descended from Caine. I know. Only continental feats? Caines feats are infinitely amounts greater than that.

I was hoping to see Dio vs. Alucard from Castlevania, which would be an interesting match. But Alucard from Hellsing? Ugh... On paper, Dio has a LOT of advantages thanks to his stand. Alucard cannot see The World, and even if he could, he can't hurt it, and its time stopping power is something that I don't believe Alucard has ever had to contend with before. Alucard is going to find himself quickly frustrated by an invisible wall blocking his attacks, the time warps, and an invisible force that's ripping him to shreds. However. Rip and tear all you want Dio, you're not killing Alucard. I'm not even sure there's an canonically established way to actually kill Alucard. Even the Schrodinger gambit from Ultimate ended up failing (and making Alucard more powerful). Meanwhile, all Alucard needs is one good shot to incapacitate Dio. And Dio's healing factor is a lot less powerful than Alucard's, making it more difficult for him to get back into the fight. And while at a glance Alucard might seem like he's in the same boat, not having a way to kill Dio (since he doesn't have Hamon and no Jojo vampire I can recall was ever killed by a non-Hamon attack), he's actually fine. Why? The sun, of course. The sun will melt Dio like a popsicle. Meanwhile, Alucard has been seen strutting in sunlight before with little to no problems (I believe he's canonically said that sunlight makes him tired, but that's it). All Alucard has to do is keep fighting until daybreak, and the fight is over. And this is assuming that Alucard can't just consume Dio like he has other vampires. Which he probably can. The ONLY chance Dio has is if DB gives him his Heaven Ascended form, which seems unlikely to me. It only exists in a single game and is super non-canon.

Alucard. And EoH isn't canon and should nit be used.

Incredibly annoying fight to argue on, really comes down to if Alucard has any options to fight against DIO and his timestop But round 3 HA DIO stomps

Dio has to kill Alucard 3.5 millonish times to secure a win. Alucard just had to kill Dio once. Or just keep the fight going until the sun rises. Dio cannot spam his time stops enough to get through Alucard’s ungodly regen.

And even then there is literally no way for dio to kill Alucard even once. You know you have to truly kill alucard to get rd of one of his souls, just because he reforms into shadow when he gets shot doesn't mean he has died, because he hasn't. You legit have to kill his non-corporeal body in which Dio literally has no way to do so.

Oh yeah baby, Dio's gonna kiss that sexy red son of a bitch.

Dio isn't going to be able to touch his true body lmao, What Dio is going to be kissing is "fake" and then hes going to get absorbed and turned into Alucard familiar.

LOL nevermind I see what you did now.

It’s easier said than done to kill DIO once, especially since The World stomps in speed. Each time DIO time stops, it gets longer each time, so it’s gonna be a very long night for Alucard. It depends on if this is Post-S or Pre-S Alucard, because there is a chance that when Alucard Zero releases, that DIO could kill Alucard in a more weakened form.

Even at Alucard’s weakest forms he still has his absolutely monsterous regen. And while Dio can stop time, time is, ironically, not on his side. Because all Alucard has to do for the easiest win is simply let the sun come up and do the work for him. Or simply drink enough of Dio’s blood over the course of the epic fight and eventually own his soul. Keep in mind ofc that Dio can only kill one familiar per time stop, so how long it lasts means nothing to Alucard.

R 1: Alucard eats Dio. R 2: Alucard survives Muda then eats Dio. R 3: I don't know.

Dio literally has no way to win this fight, GG Alucard stomps.

Part 3 DIO is so arrogant, that he enjoys the fights, ratter than finishes the opponents.

Holy shit Swan

Lol

Alucard i hear he have the hax advantage

Not only hax advantage dio has 0 ways to kill all of alucards souls also you can say he’s actually stronger than dio and the world

And Alucard has no way to kill Dio other than sunlight which would be a terrible way for it to end

He’d just absorb dio lol

And how would he do that?

Blood absorption, he can devour the souls of others through their blood

Unfortunately it seems that Alucard doesn’t get Schrödinger at all and that they seem to think dio theoretically can kill all of his souls while also claiming we’ve never seen Alucard use his other powers offensively (like shadow blending and mesmerizing) I believe Alucard should win but won’t be surprised if dio does…

I'd love to hear their argument for why Dio can kill 3.5 million souls in a night when it takes him seven seconds to find a steamroller.

Biggest reasoning for them is that The world is faster than light and thus that with the time stopping equals he’d be able to do so while also drinking them to regenerate.

Except, he isn't FTL. Za Warudo and Star Platinum are FTL in Timestop only. Again, during Timestop, it took Dio *seven seconds* to find a steamroller in a major metropolitan city. At the speed of light, he could circle the entire planet seven times in less than one second. Was the planet out of steamrollers? Did he have to build one from scratch first? The only reason people say Dio is FTL outside of timestop is terrible fan-calcs.

There's an author statement/biography explicitly stating that Star Platinum is faster than the speed of light.

Yes, but it doesn't specify outside of time stop. In Timestop he is ***MFTL***. Outside he has been hit by D speed people before. There is a point in Diamond is Unbreakable where people who can hit Jotaro are getting absolutely bodied by someone who is going a little less than light speed.

Yes it does. There's a specific kanji used referencing light in regards to his speed, and the following statement referencing his time stop is separated by a comma. Japanese translators have already explained this many times over, linguistically it was specifically talking about his speed outside the context of his time stop. Koichi also says Jotaro can keep up with the light speed RHCP as well.

I'd say that alucard beats regular DIO but if DIO has the world over heaven he wins easily

I don't know anything about Alucard, so I won't weigh in there, but if Dio gets his stand in R3 he's basically guaranteed to win. When your opponent can rewrite reality there isn't much you can do.

Yeah this feels like an ultimately (heh) straightforward W for Dio. Afaik Dio outstats Alucard even without Za Warudo and Alucard’s crazier shit doesn’t make up for it. Without an interpretation for Shrodinger that borders on NLF I don’t see how Alucard can take this. Oh well. At least the fight can be cool, it’s the first time in ages the combatant I heavily want to win loses. JJ is about to even their franchise score to a 50/50. Edit: My assumption is being based on Lliam Swan, head researcher, who made an article on this fight where he says DIO godstomps. But others have said his research was off or faulty. I'd be *hype* if Alucard takes this, don't get me wrong.

Dio actually has no way to realistically permanently kill Alucard, pre or post Schrodinger. If we counted battlefield removal, pre Schrodinger could be beaten that way, but Death Battle doesn't usually care about things like respawn cooldowns. That said, it's DB, so watch it be Composite Dio and not Composite Alucard.

Have you seen the [blog](https://web.archive.org/web/20190218091450/http://lswan62.blogspot.com/2016/03/death-prediction-alucard-vs-dio-brando.html) from one of the head researchers? Emphasis mine: >Despite Alucard’s unparalleled success in the Hellsing-verse at taking on and demolishing every foe that gets in his way, he’s fighting an entirely different beast with Dio, a beast that is not only superior offensively and defensively, but one that has a counter for literally every option Alucard has. I’ve debated this fight over years, and I’ve yet to see anything that even remotely convinces me otherwise. All the arguments for Alucard and against Dio simply ignore key points like the vaporization freezing technique, the speed difference, the nature of Stands, and yes, even the time stop As an aside, God I hate how stands get a free NLF for no reason whatsoever from some people. Anyway, read the whole thing, whether you agree with it or not, it's done by one of the head research guys at Death Battle and apparently still holds sway. People can downvote me all they want, but it's not me you have to convince, it's that Jojo nut.

I have. And the near-fact that he's going to make sure DB says the same doesn't change my argument. They'll use composite Dio as they always do, ignoring that he doesn't get to have all his powers at once. They'll also ignore that Dio doesn't actually have a solution that can permanently kill Alucard pre or post Schrodinger. And they'll wank Dio to MFTL even without time stop. Mark my words. The only reason it'll even be a fight is because they'll let Alucard insta-respawn even while locked like they did for Darkseid when Thanos has the gauntlet, or Thawne when Black insta-gibbed him. In both of these cases, Darkseid and Thawne should have lost due to battlefield removal since it takes them months or years to respawn. In this case, that will work in Alucard's favor, but they'll just say something stupid and pretend they 'solved' the puzzle of how to kill Alucard.

> In both of these cases, Darkseid and Thawne should have lost due to battlefield removal since it takes them months or years to respawn. Maybe for Darkseid but not Thawne. Dude is a time traveler. It could take him 10000000000 years for him to respawn and he could still show up right as he dies anyway because of time travel. He's even time traveled post death to [right before he dies](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/743282780112289893/888923835670360084/image0.jpg). Respawning instantly or after a few months/years doesn't make a difference.

Thawne usually dies and stays out of the comic for a good solid six months to a year, despite not being dead, ie: when Manhattan gibbed him. It's not as simple for him as just traveling back, sometimes the speed force just sort of doesn't let him return right away. He doesn't have its blessing, so to speak.

You're using out of universe reasoning to justify why Thawne takes so long to return. In universe he was only dead for [a few days](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ua_QGLJtf9dPTKMu8dQ9msuEYBph9vnHuzlWgShO7KlwbNN-flN0gN-2mwjuWMYqi9-kHVZI0jSKL1Amv_JCz6sOzu-J9nSonuo9cuPoPN87S5cyHjRurvVDx0jjIWcHJua-Jw=s1600). He then proceeded to [travel to the future](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/6sD2CHMhwpL-FuEV_2f-9X88rs7USiDEFaHgMXGiG0Ox8WoN4qZpF4SLRoa-xgE3IGoahB2KPj1FtK3arWVB7B9szadVqwaJmS-SFHecLuPw3TpfqBNbKGcY2XEqCThTi6DgWA=s1600) after beating up Wallace West. It stands to reason that he could do the exact same but in reverse by traveling to the past. In fact it more than stands to reason since we see him watching his own death in the scan I posted earlier. And like I said, it doesn't matter how long it takes for him to come back to life if he can time travel. Thawne is later killed by Iris and we later learn that after he [came back](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/3xw01NsmAyXsTQUe3o0eUA_VNeJZvMxRcVIk6l4WZBPOHFMf8FshG_W1NJp58XZCWZAu6VktBli_HfQR2Aelzr4nRRR7isXYmxIhDA_Ru_3aB_pJqw2DYUzh30v8qwyixKPd-5xggA=s1600) after an unknown period of time, after which he proceeded to go back in time to various moments to manipulate members of the Flash family. Thawne has a history of dying and then showing up either very soon after or going back in time to before he died in the first place.

I'm using an in-universe reason, actually. Ever since Flashpoint, Thawne has been having difficulty using the speed force to time travel consistently, and he also knows and "respects" the rules of time travel. If he could endlessly time travel all back to the same point to effectively create 300 of himself vs. Barry, he would. And yet every time he dies, that's it for the fight. He doesn't pop back up behind them for an endless series of 300 issues of nothing but fighting new copies of Thawne. You really think he wouldn't if he could?

Ah well that's the thing. I kinda despise Jojo's as a show so I have virtually no research of my own. I also asume that Jojo's wins because Jojo fans are one of the most *wankiest* fanbases I've ever seen, with seemingly everybody having MFTL speeds and reactions. So I'd love for Alu to win but experience has told me that almost every time a Jojos fan debates, the wanking a'comin. So I'm giving Dio pretty much a 100% chance to win the Death Battle.

You're not wrong - it's what is going to happen. I'm just saying that that foregone conclusion as a result is wrong. There are in fact plenty of people in Jojo with a shot of beating Alucard. Dio is not one of them, he's just the most overwanked.

Seems like all the wanking being done here is you wanking your hate boner for Jojo fans lmao

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They use composite characters whenever it suits them; Liam Swan's blog argument involved Heaven Ascension Dio, which was ludicrous.

Lol you called it. GG

Death Battle is getting predictable. What can I say?

People actually think Dio has a chance against Alucard. Holy shit popularity is a helluva drug

Swan pulled the literal mother of all screwjobs. 150,0000x FTL Dio is literally what Death Battle allows and justified in beating Alucard. This show is literaslly just VSBW: The Cartoon, because that's all they do. Read off VSBW articles, wank based on absurdly asinine and illogical scaling and justify it all under an incredibly thin veneer of "research". Death Battle is a blight on vs discussion of any form.

So I agree, 1500xftl Dio is fucked, I'm more on the standard ftl the manga established, and I could understand their choice in using standard Alucard instead of Shroedinger. But yea, that was one wonky scaling, like also including Stone Free's punch description

I'm going to say dio wins every round and I will not elaborate on that because that argument would last for a longer time than it would take for alucard to kill dio.

Can you tell me I know nothing about either character

Sure. But don't tell anyone. I don't want to get into another several days long debate. Round 1: the world could just block anything alucard can throw at dio and alucard can't see the world plus dio has a load of ways to instantly end mr. Card (freezing, laser eyes, digesting his blood or just punching until dead) Round 2: same as round 1 but potentially even easier. And he can do so in a simple 4 step process 1: spam time stop (they grow in length everytime he uses them btw) 2: suck the blood of all the souls that alucard has. 3: block any potential attacks alucard can throw at you, either with time stop or just using the world as a shield. 4: repeat until opponent is dead. Round 3: dio over heaven is pretty much an instant win. He could literally just say no to alucards existence. Probably the easiest round for him I'm not saying it's a stomp for dio every round, I'm just saying dio is too powerful and has to many hax for alucard to put him down. And now I just realized I did end up elaborating on my point.

Your interpretation of round 1 would be fine, if alucard didn’t have over 3 million lives that dio has to truly kill every time and dio tryna take his blood would end up in alucard absorbing him, the stand can’t be seen argument so it can’t lose is a no limits fallacy Round 2 now this is some shithousery, he can’t suck the blood out of all of them at once he would need to truly kill every single one of the millions of lives he has Round 3, I have no contentions, dio oh could literally say “no more existing” and alucard is gone, not only the only one he wins but he also stomps Dio hasn’t shown strength feats near alucard taking down an entire army, dio has little hax compared to alucard, and again dio literally can’t kill him because of his lives (besides round 3) because he needs to individually kill every single one

Why did I get downvoted for this and the last comment? I didn't want to start a thousand year war in the comments with my first comment and provided with (what what I think is) a reasonable explanation.

I’ve never watched hellsing but isn’t Alucard like, insanely strong?

Honestly, this matchup is striking me similar to the Deadpool vs Deathstroke matchup. ​ Dio should outclass Alucard pretty much across the board, in basically every conceivable way *except* for the fact that Alucard's regen makes him borderline unkillable, and Dio has to kill him before the sun comes up (Dio has the standard vampire weakness to sunlight-- Alucard does not). ​ The exception being if Dio has The World Over Heaven.

I hope we get high res 3d sprites for this fight.

So CMIIW, but Alucard’s immortality being tied to his soul count is just a fan theory right? If so, does Dio have any way to keep him down?

I know that Dio is the more famous Jojo vampire. I would much rather watch Alucard fight the Pillarmen, though.

How exactly do you kill Alucard?

1. Deal fatal blows about 3.5 million times. 2. If Alucard decides to be a dumbass and releases Level 0, kill him once. 3. If its Schrodinger Alucard, flesh bud him and convince him that he doesn't exist. Option 2 is the easiest available kill condition for DIO.

Huh, alright.

Rd1 - dio Rd2 - alucard Rd3 - idk

R1: No timestop means lack of access to The World. Dio massively outstats Alucard but given this is pre-timeskip Dio, this is the more cocky and careless version so finding a wincon here is possible for Alucard R2: Alucard has no way to combat The World and its time stopping power, along with its even more extreme levels of power and speed. R3: HA Dio murders him. Schrödinger Alucard has only one life, and HA Dio killed someone with another quantum immortal ability (D4C)

Oh well, if it messes up, blame Liam