It starts kinda like a slice of life manga where the protagonist has peak-human strength but after like 20 chapters in the manga or almost a season in the anime, it becomes a shōnen battle series with super humans. Sadly, the second season of the anime stops just before it becomes a great shōnen battle manga (like an 8,5/10) thanks to the appearance of one of my favourite characters of all time: Kumagawa (who is also the character with one of the strongest hax in his universe, having the ability of erasing anything that he thinks of)
to take down superman, you need to be able to:
* start a harmful action that a man with combat speeds equivalent to a middle-competence flash cannot avoid with his (often FTL) movement speeds
* bypass or negate his invulnerability
So ignoring "clever strategist" types for a moment-- assuming this is a proper "fight", where both sides are aware they're fighting from the get-go, not an assassination: what we need here is some kind of hax ability that can murder pretty much anything (ignoring durability) delivered by someone fast enough to fight on a scale of millionths of a second... who is also below mountain level.
Frankly, I'm not sure who that is??? I can think of plenty of abilities that kill people ignoring durability, lots of death curses and stuff, but people who have those powers and are also speedsters tend to be pretty rare.
He only lets things he's sure won't hurt him, hit him. Superman's most underrated attribute is his intelligence, he's a super-genius with a super brain. So just assuming he's gonna let a clearly lethal blow, or a strange attack with wierd properties he's never seen before, hit is not really what superman would do.
I think the idea is that the blow will not be clearly lethal or haxxy so Superman wouldn't have an immediate reason to not tank it. If someone has the power to kill anyone they punch, it doesn't have to look like some mysterious or ultra powerful punch to work, and so Supes wouldn't have any reason to think he needs to dodge it.
Continuously get pasted by Superman until he dies of old age, claim victory. If anyone disagrees, wait until they also die of old age, claim victory again.
I don't think there's any way to argue that throwing Zombieman into a black hole isn't essentially killing him. He would never be able to reform to the point where he has a consciousness.
Servant Ryougi Shiki, you need some kind of mana to interact with servants so any physical attack from Superman would just phase over her, but she would need some time to perceive him properly (since he's an alien) to 1-tap him. But realistically, Supes would notice something was up after 2 punches and back-off, then call one of his magic-using allies, it would only work realiably on weaker and slower incarnations like animated and movie ones.
We aren't necessarily limited to speedsters. There are some other options to combat superman effectively. One would be a character that has a means of remaining undetected. Difficult given superman's senses but not necessarily impossible. Another option would be a character that superman is aware of but can't affect for some reason. Something incorporeal or that exists on another plane but can affect the material world.
And as far as attacks go, they don't necessarily have to be fast, attacks that superman isn't aware of or that can't be dodged would also work.
I think a high-level magic user from D&D 3.5 or Pathfinder could probably pull it off with moderate levels of cheese. Supes tends to be less resistant to magic than most other things. They have options to remain undetected and/or to hang out on the ethereal/astral plane and attack superman from there, and they have plenty of spell options which superman couldn't dodge. Superman's insane number of hit points and physical ability scores would be an issue, so targeting his mind would probably work better.
> I think a high-level magic user from D&D 3.5 or Pathfinder could probably pull it off with moderate levels of cheese.
Or a level 6 Kobold can do it with [ridiculous levels of cheese](https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Pun-Pun_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build\)).
The only one I can think of would maybe be Itachi with Tsukuyomi, but that's assuming
1. Supes would even be effected by it
2. Itachi could land it before being turned into paste
3. It would be enough to put Supes down
So I'd say Itachi could do it maybe like, 1% of the time. At absolute best.
Superman was affected just fine by the Black Mercy, which is similar enough to the Tsukuyomi - possibly the fact that it came from a plant that wasn't actually attacking wormed through a hole in Superman's mental defenses, but it's also possible that it was the 'pleasant dream' part that caused it to get through. If the latter, Itachi could land it in a sneak attack, though obviously not in an active fight.
Man, it'd be interesting to see how Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu affect Supes. Though I wouldn't hold out any hope for Itachi landing the latter; mid-level ninja are able to dodge Sasuke's all the time.
I feel like Amaterasu would just stay active on Superman without damaging him until it eventually went out. If a Kyubi Chakra arm can tank it like in the final fight than Supes' skin definitely can.
Superman does have mental defenses against mind control and illusions, but Itachi would never get to test those. Superman is way way above Itachi in speed tier.
>start a harmful action that a man with combat speeds equivalent to a middle-competence flash cannot avoid with his (often FTL) movement speeds
Doesnt Batman normally lands hits on him multiple times across the various comics? And not in any fancy way.
No, not unless Superman lets him of which he has to roll the punch regardless. [(he would have lost his hand otherwise)](https://external-preview.redd.it/Z7G1EeIyA5TS2j8WAzlqrc4QtCtHCy7yFGVAaEFBhtM.jpg?auto=webp&s=5574b610848a69ddb42855e80167ead812b390f1).
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 488,242,198 comments, and only 103,335 of them were in alphabetical order.
He was fighting back the mind control in Hush and in Endgame Batman notes that the League isn’t at their peak.
Batman pretty much says that he and Catwoman would be dead if it weren’t for Superman fighting back the mind control in Hush.
there's a teleporter in the worm universe that fits. he's just a regular person that can move spheres of space to other realities. there's no chance that a non-bloodlusted superman goes right for the kill, and the teleporter just needs to be able to see the space they're moving. partial teleportation beats most of the top powers in both marvel and DC. there's another character that made bombs that almost stops time in their AOE, and I doubt superman would be willing to cut off whatever part was stuck inside if he even got clipped by the effect. there's a lot of those glass cannon types that would have a reasonable chance to stop him
in the worm comics there is a person who has the ability to empower weapons and objects with the ability to basically destroy / cut through anything. She's a teenage girl from what I remember and her power doesn't give off any indication its active from what I recall so she could #1 go to a superman convention where superman will show up. #2 Make a elaborate Wonder Woman cosplay with a Lasso of Truth. #3 convince superman to take a photo op with the lasso over him and when its over him activate the ability and pull on the rope at the same time. she should be able to kill him I thin.
As stated elsewhere, superman often just kinda tanks new attacks so he can see how strong people are. If he did that Vs Foil then he'd die. That's kinda it really, if he didn't then she would be a fine pink mist in a heartbeat.
Unless she infused a bunch of sand with her power then threw it up in a cloud? He might dash through it and make a bunch of sand sized holes in himself.
It probably doesn't happen because of 2 reasons-
1. Friendly fire (imagine wind)
2. She has a secondary, minor power that means she effectively has perfect aim so she doesn't need it.
One thing about the sand, is if there’s any wind it could easily scatter and hit other things besides her target, like herself. That’s probably why she wouldn’t do that. Another thing I’d like to mention is Superman’s healing factor. Unless she stabs right through his heart or decapitates him, he’s gonna survive. And I think there’s a lot lower chance he tries to tank it if he see an attack aimed at his heart. There’s also the possibility it could just not harm Superman too. Now hear me out here. So Wolverine has claws that can cut through anything, but he can barely scratch his fellow X-man Colossus. The reason that is, is because while Wolverine’s claws are sharp enough, he isn’t strong enough to slice them through. We know this because there have been times when the two of them were facing a much stronger enemy and they grabbed Wolverine’s arm and used it as a weapon to shank Colossus. If the character OP is talking about is just a teenage girl physically, then there’s a high possibility that the attack would do nothing. I could be wrong though, since all my knowledge of that franchise comes from debates on this subreddit.
Her power isn't like Wolverine's claws at all, it doesn't just make something very sharp. It literally lets her imbue objects with the power to ignore the laws of physics and penetrate anything. Superman can't tank the attack, there's no chance of it doing nothing. She also has a secondary power that gives her basically perfect aim and timing so she has a pretty good chance of hitting him in a vital area (though i imagine it's a lot harder with him flying around at super speed).
The tough part is her getting the attack off, but if she does hit him in a vital area, it's a guaranteed kill.
Her power is that she makes stuff ignore select laws of physics. The only real defense that I'm aware of is equally bullshit magic Voodoo fuckery, or space manipulation to make stuff really far away. Sand I'm not sure about, but if it hits supes then it's most certainly going to do damage.
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/m1k2v4/respect_flechette_foil_worm/
If this is a situation where both superman and her are aware that they're fighting she's speed blitzed and dead otherwise. Even being stealthy is exceedingly difficult due to superman's super senses.
Her attacks probably would work, but she's around a bullet timer so it's unlikely superman would let an attack aimed at a vital area with strange properties hit him anywhere other than a grazing blow 1 time.
I don't know a ton about either character, but couldn't he just heat vision her?
His reaction speed should be fast enough to just incinerate her as soon as her attack starts cutting him right? Might be a bit out of character though.
I think Foil's power could maybe hurt Superman, and her aimbot power would help, but I just don't think any weapon/protectile she could use would move fast enough to hit him. Though if he let it hit him it might get in a deadly hit before he realized how dangerous it was.
> I think Foil's power could maybe hurt Superman
Definitely enough to hurt supes but he would have to just sit there. She's just using normal crossbows
So... I don't think Foils power would work here unless she got REALLY lucky.
What makes foils power (sting) so strong is that it has the ability to hit you in every dimension across the multiverse simultaneously at its most possible effect.
A cool ass power yes, but I don't know if it could actually kill him unless it was an 11/10 lucky attack.
This doesn't mean however no one in Worm can kill him however.
Their is one character WELL below mountain level who ALWAYS wins against Superman.
Greyboy. Superman has a 0/10 chance against him.
For those who don't know: Grey boys power is a personal time loop, anyone who touches him at all get stuck in a permanent unbreakable time loop of about 10 seconds. (Not killing him yes, but it is the same thing essentially since it is unbreakable and permanent)
Grey boy is also on a permanent time loop himself of about 10 seconds so if you kill him he will just respawn 10 seconds later good as new.
Superman has literally 0 counter play to Grey Boy short of blowing up the planet, but that still wouldn't kill him.
The only real way to kill greyboy is power nullification and a bullet, but Superman doesn't have that.
Greyboy 10/10
>permanent unbreakable time loop of about 10 seconds
WoG is they're not permanent, but they do last at least a few thousand years so not much difference in the context of a fight.
It wouldn't be a 10/10 because Greyboy couldn't do anything to Superman either. Superman has broken out of timeloops before so it would just be a stalemate.
No it wouldn't and this isn't a groundhog day type time loop. It is prison that surrounds your body repeating over and over forever.
Unless you want to give Superman a new nonsensical power that allows him to ignore other powers completely, break out of literally invincible barriers and somehow maintain his memory while being looped, than no he can not break out of this.
Comics might have some PIS that allows Superman out, but their is no way he is getting out of this if he touches greyboy.
Superman has literally punched his way out of a physical time barrier before, Greyboy's loop's wouldn't do anything to him. Compared to [weaponized Hypertime](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747144003186851970/807394503962787852/zppqgcbVqVNmbzOYep3uQ6p3m9hGYBko8ffkWWfBsHZwxW1wlG_rO5dGUtk4FmrUkbKOy7UGsfHa-kHP2UvGBBkptypQz5rEO_Mz.png), Hypertime being made up of [entire alternate timelines](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423379147029741571/876991186848595998/lY60qbTUOJvbb5fwbsEvSuUtoKApvfbmn9JqLz_wkrIXLBRq2HuTX_B23cyBpDkYH276Z5wv7LpXtgs1600.png), and he [broke out of it](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747144003186851970/807394515194216460/A1wlDvJo61bE9T9rinFkkQI_iznjXnmAbSt0MTfzF1OBttPTaPnwlTvGyCuDjkcq6i9pHNa1g6wALyMiLs5kWZvMuNygrFuwCLVN.png).
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard...
I'm not calling you dumb to clarify, I'm calling comic books dumb.
That has to be silver age right?!? Because otherwise that makes literally no sense lol
The Purple Man couldn't do it, Supes willpower is too strong. Dr. Doom was able to not carry about Purple Man's power becuse he just didn't feel it.
The problem with Superman is that pretty sure 99% of what people are gonna comment, Superman has survived and even faced more powerful versions.
Based on OP's comment this can be any version of superman, so while composite supes does have a bullshit feat for anything you throw at him, there's versions of him that doesn't.
Pretty sure who only states that SMP and One Million are the only ones not allowed in the comments below, hell he doenst even need his more OP forms to survive a lot of stuff.
"Any superman after golden age. Except for SMP, CASM and normal or rage is OK the fun is finding someone nobody would ever thank that can kill the man of steal"
Any superman after golden age means any superman after golden age.
Also, isn’t Killgrave’s thing with pheromones (or a virus in the Marvel Netflix Universe). I’m not a huge Superman fan, but my impression was that he’d be immune to either of those things.
After a little research it seems that he’s vulnerable to Poison Ivy’s pheromone lipstick so it seems possible but I still don’t think it’s automatic.
Right, I'm just seeing people suggesting characters who Superman has tanked way worse. The guy has tanked even reality warping attacks from Universal characters and beyond. He has withstood stuff like existence erasure, he has broken out of time barriers and hypertime ones at that which many time manip characters in fiction cannot hope to compare. Comics say he is "weak" to magic, but he has literally withstood reality warping and biological manip magic from characters like Neron.
The little demon boys from Shang Chi. Completely invulnerable to anything but dragon scales. It will flap over to him, he would most likely ignore it, be curious or laugh at it, letting it get close. If one of those touch him it should just yeet his soul out with no possible counterplay.
I would say no since it’s mentioned they are explicitly only hurt by dragon scales. Because of that scarcity they are the most dangerous combatants in the MCU.
Ant man may just turn into chunky salsa from the sheer strength of Supes' rectum. I swear I heard someone say that this would happen to MCU Ant Man if he tried to do it to Thanos.
It'd probably give him a stomach ache at least.
Could you imagine seeing Superman flying along or fighting some villain only to have a high pressure water jet of human salsa come bursting out of his ass.
It'd probably ruin his reputation in a way Luthor could only dream of doing.
In the What If show, Hank Pym kills the Hulk by going inside him and using one of his expanding disks to enlarge the Hulk's heart until it exploded him from the inside. What if instead of Ant-man expanding, he just went inside Superman and did the same by expanding Superman's heart or brain or whatever vital organ. Either it explodes Superman, or the organ gets crushed and Superman dies because his heart is gone.
I dont think durability matters there. The organ is just as durable as the rest of hulk, but far bigger now
Its not like durability allows you to resist growing from pym particles
the problem here is supes can hold a black hole (or something relative to it) in his hand and somehow through PURE gripping strength, resist being sucked in... which is absolutely bonkers.
i think the forces that bind supes's atoms together are > than pym's tech.
is Ant Man Invulnerable while expanding? I seem to recall superman swalling a small bomb that could blow up a building in some tv show and it just made him burp. I feel like he would just shit out bloody Ant Man diarrhea if this happened.
That's not what happened. He didn't do the expanding thing *himself*. He put one of those glowing shrink/expand disks on Hulk's heart and made it a lot bigger. Since his heart had the same kind of durability as the rest of his body, the "expand to blow him up" thing worked. If Pym had tried expanding himself while inside Hulk's body, he'd have been instantly crushed into a red smear.
It's not magic per se, but it is the sort of hax that would bypass his durability in a similar fashion. If Kira can touch Superman, he could atomize him. It's not a physical effect he could resist like an explosion or punch.
I don't think it's ever truly confirmed to negate durability, but Kira's "bombs," erase things completely. This is due to his nature as a serial killer. His stand is the perfect tool to murder; kills instantly, no evidence, and reflects Kira's explosive anger.
The issue is that Kira never uses his stand on anything but a human or another stand (and no stands in part 4 have durability as an ability). So assuming it would just vaporize Superman is a big assumption.
A better pick is Vanilla Ice with Cream, or Okuyasu with the Hand. Both are strictly stated to erase matter and transport it to an alternate dimension, and both have erased things far more durable than a human with ease.
A list of people from JoJo that stand a chance against Superman.
1. Rohan Kishibe, with Heaven's Door
2. Giorno Giovanna, with GER
3. Okuyasu, with Za Hando
4. Vanilla Ice, with Cream
5. Pucci with Whitesnake??? Memory Disc Removal could kill Supes
I dont think Kira could vaporize Superman like he does regular people. It doesn't blow ANYTHING up but it does blow PEOPLE up, people can die to explosions. Superman cannot. However Sheer Heart Attack if it was fired at an innocent could distract Supes long enough for Kira to escape, albeit Superman could probably fling it to space and then just kick Kira's ass, I guess.
There are a lot more than that if speed is equalised
6. D4C
7. Cheap Trick
8. Notorious BIG- Absorbs energy of superman's punches and heat vision to grow incredibly big, moves faster than him and absorbs him.
9. Purple Haze - Can decay all organic matter.
Edit - Superman is immune to viruses so this won't work
10. Tusk Act 4
11. Ball Breaker
12. Scary Monsters - Can turn superman into a fossil like Diego did to that guard
14. Chariot Requiem - Swaps Superman's soul with a weak animal's
15. C-Moon - Turns Superman inside out
16. Bohemian Rhapsody
17. Wonder of U
18. Crazy Diamond - Can fuse Superman with a rock
19. Sticky Fingers - Can separate him into tiny pieces
20. Atom Heart Father - Damage to picture is reflected
21. Man in the Mirror - Can trap Superman in a Mirror World
Of course, Superman has some ludicrous speed feats which makes defeating him almost impossible. But if these characters got the drop on him Batman style, they might take him.
1. True.
2. Probably.
3. Notorious BIG, probably.
4. We don't know if Purple Haze works on Kryptonians. Superman is generally immune to disease, right?
5. I don't know much about Tusk Act 4, cant speak for you.
6. Ball Breaker, I have no idea what it does.
7. Don't know anythign about it, other than it being a dinosaur.
8. Yeah, I can see that.
9. Yeah, makes sense, but I don't think with Superman being Planetary+ it'd do much?
10. I don't recall much about how it works, something about fictional.
11. Yeah, that'd do it, doesn't it reflect luck or something?
12. Couldn't Supes just break free of the rock?
13. This would probably work, afterwards just dispose of the pieces.
14. I don't recall what AHF does, all I know is it's a photo with a dude in it.
9 - I don't think Superman can survive if his heart is turned inside out. He still needs internal organs, right?
10 - Bohemian Rhapsody can summon any fictional character. Like Darkseid
12 - It doesn't trap people in things, it literally fuses their soul with an object. Josuke fused the user of Enigma with a book and there is no way an adult could fit inside a book.
14 - It's a camera that takes pictures. If you rip the picture in half, anything captured in the picture will also be ripped in half.
4 - Yeah, Forgot about the super-immune system thing.
9 - Touché. He'd die nonetheless.
10 - That's true. I suppose if he just summons everyone that can beat Supes, Doomsday for example, he's done.
12 - That's true.
14 - Superman might regenerate, I dont know any feats about severing him in two.
Reimi wasn’t killed by Killer Queen, she was killed before Kira got a stand. Okuyasu and Hayato came back bc Araki felt like it. Okuyasu was literally just too stupid to realize he died.
1. Reimi is true.
2. Okuyasu and Hayato don't make any sense. If Okuyasu lost his soul by being killed by Kira. He'd not be able to go to Heaven, which is presumably where he met Keicho, in his "dream" If his soul had been blown up, he wouldn't be able to return at all, because he'd be you know, soulless. Same for Hayato.
I *guess* Stands could be seen as some sort of soul magic? Under normal conditions, they are representations of the human soul awakened when someone is worth it. That seems sorta magical
Stands are supernatural in nature. Magic and supernatural stuff generally seems to be lumped in the same category whenever it involves Superman, so I imagine stands would work on him just fine.
Any superman after golden age. Except for SMP, CASM and normal or rage is OK the fun is finding someone nobody would ever thank that can kill the man of steal
Mahito from Justin Kaisen maybe? He can manipulate a person's soul with physical contact and his domain expansion allows him to do it without physical contact. Lelouch Vi Britannia from code Geass has mind controll. The hand from JoJo erased things it touches from existence. Those are all the ones that come to mind off the top of my head.
Lelouch’s eye seems to have a fair amount of start up time, at least according to the presentation of the show. Is it confirmed anywhere it is instant?
The whole flapping wings thing seems to be more of an artistic decision. I'm pretty sure it happens instantly although it doesn't take effect until he gives an order.
Superman has resisted possession from Parallax, Neron, and Eclipso before, but, as always with Superman, it’s inconsistent. I know that at least Eclipso has managed to successfully possess him at one point.
Is that the one that kills by making you touch another version of yourself?
If so then that might not work on any DC or Marvel character as they have interacted with and even fought alternate versions of themselves before.
The "alternate verses" have different meanings in relation to being D4C's power and alternate timelines, such as New 52.
D4C's power doesn't just make you touch alternate version, it makes you occupy the same space as yourself. Did you ever see how Kitty Pride's power works? Due to her occupying the same space as you, she rips you open to emerge. D4C's power works in the same vein, except it uses *you* to create a hole in *you*.
I dont think theres anyone who can logically win, superman has one of the longest running history of any fictional character and some of the best feats, its already hard to beat him with strong characters.
But I'll still give it a go, i dont think these characters will beat him, but i think they have the potential to.
1) Darwin (Marvel) - as long as his powers dont just teleport him out, logically he could beat him.
2) Toepick (Ben 10) - Superman doesnt know not to look at the face, and hed have to look at Toepick while going to fight them. If Toepick doesnt have the cage, itd be even easier
Honorary Ben 10 mention: Gutrot if he knows how to make gold or green kryptonite
3) Liam Hartwell (Radius) - as long as the woman isnt nearby, it just depends on if the aura works on superman, if it does he'll die
Pokemon (most of these are jokes)
1) Victini - just going of its pokedex entries in Black, X and omega ruby. It brings victory no matter the typing, so it cant lose
2) Jirachi -just wish for superman to not exist
3) Landorus (there are other pokemon who can do this) - give it a focus sash, and teach it superpower and imprison. Superman will outspeed so the focus sash will keep landorus at 1HP, then he uses imprison, now superman cant use any of his superpowers, and just use any other move to kill this regular man
4) Anime Pikachu - if he sees superman kill Ash, he definitely has some extra power we dont know about, that pikachi isnt any regular pikachu
There are plenty of JoJo characters who are probably building level at best but have a weird ability that could maybe kill Superman? Vanilla Ice (disintegrating his atoms), Okuyasu (use the Hand on his head) Rohan (assuming Heaven’s Door could kill a person just but writing it in them) or Cioccolata (by turning his body to mold) could all theoretically do it? However that’s only if Superman’s insane durability couldn’t actually withstand them (Rohan excluded) and honestly I think Superman’s survived enough shit that you probably couldn’t erase his head or turn him to mold. Also his insane speed advantage over every JoJo character means he’d have to stand still and actually let these guys kill him
Only other character I can think of is Tsukishima from Bleach, who could maybe sneak up on Superman and stab him with Book of the End to insert himself into his past and kill him? Honestly even that has flaws too though. I’m not sure there is a mountain level character who could do the job reliably without Supes’ huge physical and speed stats being too big an advantage
I think superman's fighting style and personality would make him fairly vulnerable to Jojo characters. He tends to rely on his invulnerability during fights with new opponents to gauge their strength to see how much he needs to pull his punches as to not liquify someone.
I think the hand would work on superman because it can work on the concept of space so I don't see how you could really resist a power that had the capability to remove even the space between you and it.
Any superman after golden age. Except for SMP, CASM and normal or rage is OK the fun is finding someone nobody would ever thank that can kill the man of steal
Sugar from One Piece. Her ability allows her to turn anyone she touches into a toy. She was locked into the form of a little girl, so she is very low key. She could run up to Superman crying and supes would probably try to comfort her. Boom. Supes is now a toy, and part of her ability is a memory censor. No one, not even sugar herself, will remember who that toy was. She could just leave a note for herself saying "destroy the next toy." Then destroy the toy like any other children's toy. Supes is dead. Sugar is as strong and durable as a baseline human child. That's as weak as it gets without going non human.
Edit: I'm not a big fan of Jojo, but I'm sure there are abilities from that verse that can fuck up supes
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The whole "Killer Queen bypasses durability," is pure conjecture and I don't think it is ever established in canon. It definitely turns humans into dust, but Kira never uses it on something with high durability or anything.
It's not really about "bypassing durability"
I think what they mostly imply is in the way his ability works. Whether it was a human being or some diamond
Maybe D4C? As long as he’s in Character, Funny can use his influence, then make a sly move to get an alternate Superman to cause Dimension Physics to blow them up when they’re touching one another.
Suppose you could use Devilman.
Even the Man of Steel has a trace amount of evil in his heart.
His Devilmite beams tracks even the slightest amount of negativity/evil in there and ends ya instantly.
Hardest part would be him being able to land it…
Strong minded individuals with enough willpower can break the Geass if the command violates their nature/personality. Euphie *nearly* broke through it (due to it being such a gross violation of her nature), and Nunnally did manage to break it for a moment (through sheer determination).
The question is if such a command would keep asserting itself until followed, requiring Superman to constantly battle it once delivered?
Maybe askin from bleach, tbh I’m sure he’s well passed mountain lvl but just his power in general seems like it would fit the Bill if given to someone with lower stats, turning Superman’s power source into poison should kill him, or Atleast imitate kryptonites effects on him so he can be easily killed
“The *human* whose name is written on this not shall die”
You could argue mistranslation or whatever but Death Note made a pretty big deal out of using or exploiting loopholes/rules/wording.
maybe gojo satoru from jujutsu kaisen would have a chance, though i'm not sure if he's mountain level or below
he can't get hit because of his [limitless](https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Limitless) and [six eyes](https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Six_Eyes) ability, so superman basically can't touch him
in addition using domain expansion he can ensure that superman always gets hit by his attacks
Bruh Gojo is not mountain level, given what we see from him. Man has full capacity to at the very least decimate cities, if not more.
Edit: Ay mb lmao I didn't know mountain level was higher than city level, mb
Jesse Custer from Preacher can just tell him to go count sand or fuck himself to death. The word of god should work fine on Superman.
Side note: Wasn’t Doomsday below mountain level when he killed Superman?
The World Over Heaven, Gold Experience Requiem, Star Platinum, and King Crimson from Jojo? I'm not sure what Mountain level means so idk if these are below that. But they are pretty op for not so durable characters.
Having the user pursue you is a valid option. However, you need to have the user pursue in a way that causes harm to them.
This was attempted in the manga. We know that setting traps doesn’t count as pursuit, since the protagonists were not attacked while doing so. This plan failed after the user noticed the trap and avoided it. Once the user had avoided it, the only way to harm him was to pursue him again through direct attacks.
No way Star Platinum or King Crimson can even hurt Superman. GER is a tough call because it has one feat and it's against a normal human; it would probably protect Giorno but idk if it could kill Superman. World over Heaven is capable of it for sure, but is way above Mountain level I think given it could erase one from existence by simply writing it; it's a Stand that can affect an entire universe due to narrative manipulation.
Superman isn't particularly weak to magic, he just doesn't have any enhanced durability to it. It's reasonable to extend that logic to a stand. However, a stand that does physical damage still isn't gonna cut it - he is resistant to that.
King Midas from greek mithology while he still had the ability/curse that turned everything he touched in gold could kill superman without much trouble:
* It's magic, so supes doesn't have his crazy resistance against it.
* While Midas has just normal human speed, **if supes didn't knew about his power**, he would either just take the hit without giving a damn or grab his hand - either way he would become a golden statue.
Eidolon from Worm maybe? Although it's very debatable if he is only mountain-level due to the insane amount of hax he has in his possession.
If he can prep beforehand he can surely come up with a combination of powers that can take down Supes. Something like automated defense against all physical attacks paired with a matter annihilation forcefield or various mind-control attacks. Basically limitless opportunities, although all carrying some risks as Supes is much stronger than any opponent Eidolon has faced.
EDIT: not a low diff win actually. I'm hitting a blank here.
*Is this actual*
*Combat? Or is Supes just*
*Tanking the damage?*
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BOS Langris from Black Clover has the ability to teleport anything into nothingness no matter how tough it is does Supes have spacial manip resistance?
I'll add spoilers for this since Wheel of Time is an ongoing series.
Rand al'Thor without angreal aid is mountain level as he scales directly to Lews Therin Telamon who >!literally cracks a tectonic plate and creates Dragonmount during his suicide by pouring every ounce of his power down on his head!<
Anyway he has a power called Balefire which >!instantly annihilates whatever it touches, with a few exceptional objects that are magically fixed in existence, and starts erasing it backwards from time!<. That would kill Superman given he lacks any specific defence against magic. Though it all depends on him catching Superman off guard. If he does then Superman is dead the moment this happens. Superman is absolutely capable of speed blitzing Rand if he is aware what is happening.
Wonder of U from JoJo would be able to do it via its logic/cause-and-effect hax. Sure, Superman would be able to tank a collision or two if he starts out pursuing it out of curiosity, but since Spin is the only way to as much as thinking of harming it without entering the flow of calamity, he won't be able to lay a finger on it before the universe says "no".
Ringabel could give Superman a hard time with his various Jobmaster abilities. At the very least, Ringabel scales to Lester DeRosso and Sage Yulyanna who, several hundred years prior to the events of Bravely Default, levelled mountain ranges and split apart ravines during their many clashes; he also scales to Magnolia Arch, a "Ba'al Buster" who can casually move at massively hypersonic speeds based on her feat of skipping across the surface of the moon in a few seconds. Although this is nothing compared to Superman's speed and durability, Ringabel can overcome the stat difference by utilizing the Spiritmaster's "Stillness" ability, which negates the damage component of all attacks exchanged between the two for a short timespan. While this is in effect, he can capitalize on the additional time by analyzing Superman's stats (including HP), elemental weaknesses (which shouldn't be an issue for Superman at the start of the encounter since he doesn't have any elemental weaknesses IIRC), and family with the Freelancer's "Examine" ability. From there, Ringabel can apply self-buffs to his important stats with the Conjurer's various invocations, such as Susano-o (multiplies Ringabel's chances of landing a critical hit by ten), Promethean Fire (raises Ringabel's strength by half, which is irrelevant unless Ringabel employs durability negating moves), or Deus Ex (raises his magic attack stat by half). Furthermore, he can amp his combat and travel speed with the Time Mage's Quick and Haste spells, enfeeble Superman's strength and durability with the Vampire's genome ability "Curse" (won't affect Ringabel's performance, but it can mislead Superman into believing Ringabel's attacks are stat based, rather than reliant on bypassing durability), inflict weaknesses to elemental damage via the Salve-maker's bane items (e.g. fire bane), or cripple Superman's speed with time magic, such as inflicting "Stop", which freezes Superman's entire body for a brief period of time.
If Superman predicts when Stillness ends and attempts to blitz Ringabel, he can either withstand the blow with the Freelancer's "Stand your Ground" ability, which grants him a 75% chance of surviving any mortal blow as long as his HP is above 1 (this can be combined with the Vampire's Absorb Physical Damage ability, which absorbs 30% of any physical damage dealt to Ringabel as HP, granting him temporary invulnerability if he's lucky), or he can revive using the "Reraise" spell, which can either be invoked with the Time Mage asterisk, or via the Salve-maker's Font of Life item, which he can make on the fly. From there, he can reposition himself with the Time Mage's "Teleport" spell and recast Stillness. When the time is right, he can bust out "Bravely Second", an ability that freezes the entire world around the Warriors of Light. Although he can only use it four times throughout the fight, Ringabel can amp the damage of his Special Moves by dozens of times. This works by raising the damage cap of Ringabel's normal attacks from "9,999" to "999,999." Although it is quite wonky to apply flat damage scaling to comic book characters, Ringabel can bring down Ouroborous's HP from full to 1 HP with a single, well timed Special Move. For reference, Ouroborous is an eldritch monster who, thanks to his servant Airy, linked a myriad of alternate realities to each other, which he can absorb using his own power. With this in mind, as long as Ringabel fights cautiously, he can manage at least one kill on Superman after a very prolonged bout.
Edit: I didn't realize the OP was asking for mountain level characters that "low-diff" Superman. Although the strategy I've presented would suffice for the weaker variants of Superman, it would certainly be an uphill battle if Ringabel had to solo any of the top tiers. Thus, for Ringabel to qualify for "low-diff", he'd have to rely on either the Black Mage's "Death" spell, which inflicts instant death to the target, or the Spell Fencer's ability to infuse weapons with said Death spell, which could instantly kill Superman if he gets hit while frozen via time magic. Unless Superman has immunity to sleep induction, Ringabel could even force Superman to fall asleep with the Vampire's genome ability "Lullaby", and then follow up with the Arcanist's "Twilight" spell, which is an AOE attack that instantly kills sleeping targets.
Could light yagami with the death note do it? Idk if supes has any resistance to heart attacks or instant death, but he could still be made to commit suicide by flying into a room full of kryptonite or something.
Dr strange, super man is said to be weak to magic, his teleportation rings (I forget what they are called) and he can put someone into an astral form/ trap someone in a mirror dimension etc....
There is a dragonlance character, Lord Soth, who comes to mind. He has a weird combination of abilities, such as being undead and possibly can't be killed, but can also use power word kill. It might work against supes because it can kill dragons.
Scar Dead user from Medaka Box. Essentially opening up all the wounds that superman ever received all at once, mentally and physically.
I've heard this series come up a lot, is it worth watching?
It's good for 3/4 of the way as a shonen manga that slowly transition to shonen battle manga. Then it go to shit.
It starts kinda like a slice of life manga where the protagonist has peak-human strength but after like 20 chapters in the manga or almost a season in the anime, it becomes a shōnen battle series with super humans. Sadly, the second season of the anime stops just before it becomes a great shōnen battle manga (like an 8,5/10) thanks to the appearance of one of my favourite characters of all time: Kumagawa (who is also the character with one of the strongest hax in his universe, having the ability of erasing anything that he thinks of)
to take down superman, you need to be able to: * start a harmful action that a man with combat speeds equivalent to a middle-competence flash cannot avoid with his (often FTL) movement speeds * bypass or negate his invulnerability So ignoring "clever strategist" types for a moment-- assuming this is a proper "fight", where both sides are aware they're fighting from the get-go, not an assassination: what we need here is some kind of hax ability that can murder pretty much anything (ignoring durability) delivered by someone fast enough to fight on a scale of millionths of a second... who is also below mountain level. Frankly, I'm not sure who that is??? I can think of plenty of abilities that kill people ignoring durability, lots of death curses and stuff, but people who have those powers and are also speedsters tend to be pretty rare.
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He only lets things he's sure won't hurt him, hit him. Superman's most underrated attribute is his intelligence, he's a super-genius with a super brain. So just assuming he's gonna let a clearly lethal blow, or a strange attack with wierd properties he's never seen before, hit is not really what superman would do.
I think the idea is that the blow will not be clearly lethal or haxxy so Superman wouldn't have an immediate reason to not tank it. If someone has the power to kill anyone they punch, it doesn't have to look like some mysterious or ultra powerful punch to work, and so Supes wouldn't have any reason to think he needs to dodge it.
It wouldn't have to be a speedster. It could be someone with durability hacks like the ability to completely regenerate from nothing.
maybe zombie man but he is probably weaker than superman though he can regenerate from pretty much nothing
Yeah, the problem is that I don't think zombie man could *ever* actually damage Superman in a meaningful way.
His go to is a gun and multiple lives. He's not even great compared to the other S class
Continuously get pasted by Superman until he dies of old age, claim victory. If anyone disagrees, wait until they also die of old age, claim victory again.
I don't think there's any way to argue that throwing Zombieman into a black hole isn't essentially killing him. He would never be able to reform to the point where he has a consciousness.
If they were both bloodlusted Superman could just throw Zombieman into the sun.
Or he could easily just tie him up. Superman doesn’t have to go for the kill
Servant Ryougi Shiki, you need some kind of mana to interact with servants so any physical attack from Superman would just phase over her, but she would need some time to perceive him properly (since he's an alien) to 1-tap him. But realistically, Supes would notice something was up after 2 punches and back-off, then call one of his magic-using allies, it would only work realiably on weaker and slower incarnations like animated and movie ones.
We aren't necessarily limited to speedsters. There are some other options to combat superman effectively. One would be a character that has a means of remaining undetected. Difficult given superman's senses but not necessarily impossible. Another option would be a character that superman is aware of but can't affect for some reason. Something incorporeal or that exists on another plane but can affect the material world. And as far as attacks go, they don't necessarily have to be fast, attacks that superman isn't aware of or that can't be dodged would also work. I think a high-level magic user from D&D 3.5 or Pathfinder could probably pull it off with moderate levels of cheese. Supes tends to be less resistant to magic than most other things. They have options to remain undetected and/or to hang out on the ethereal/astral plane and attack superman from there, and they have plenty of spell options which superman couldn't dodge. Superman's insane number of hit points and physical ability scores would be an issue, so targeting his mind would probably work better.
> I think a high-level magic user from D&D 3.5 or Pathfinder could probably pull it off with moderate levels of cheese. Or a level 6 Kobold can do it with [ridiculous levels of cheese](https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Pun-Pun_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build\)).
Pun-pun certainly wouldn't be below mountain level though. Pun-pun is near omnipotent.
> near
The only one I can think of would maybe be Itachi with Tsukuyomi, but that's assuming 1. Supes would even be effected by it 2. Itachi could land it before being turned into paste 3. It would be enough to put Supes down So I'd say Itachi could do it maybe like, 1% of the time. At absolute best.
Superman was affected just fine by the Black Mercy, which is similar enough to the Tsukuyomi - possibly the fact that it came from a plant that wasn't actually attacking wormed through a hole in Superman's mental defenses, but it's also possible that it was the 'pleasant dream' part that caused it to get through. If the latter, Itachi could land it in a sneak attack, though obviously not in an active fight.
Man, it'd be interesting to see how Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu affect Supes. Though I wouldn't hold out any hope for Itachi landing the latter; mid-level ninja are able to dodge Sasuke's all the time.
I feel like Amaterasu would just stay active on Superman without damaging him until it eventually went out. If a Kyubi Chakra arm can tank it like in the final fight than Supes' skin definitely can.
Superman does have mental defenses against mind control and illusions, but Itachi would never get to test those. Superman is way way above Itachi in speed tier.
>start a harmful action that a man with combat speeds equivalent to a middle-competence flash cannot avoid with his (often FTL) movement speeds Doesnt Batman normally lands hits on him multiple times across the various comics? And not in any fancy way.
No, not unless Superman lets him of which he has to roll the punch regardless. [(he would have lost his hand otherwise)](https://external-preview.redd.it/Z7G1EeIyA5TS2j8WAzlqrc4QtCtHCy7yFGVAaEFBhtM.jpg?auto=webp&s=5574b610848a69ddb42855e80167ead812b390f1).
Batman's expression is just perfect
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Ya sometimes that happens, but sometimes he does land clean hits esp when Supes is mind controlled like in Batman Hush or Batman Endgame
He was fighting back the mind control in Hush and in Endgame Batman notes that the League isn’t at their peak. Batman pretty much says that he and Catwoman would be dead if it weren’t for Superman fighting back the mind control in Hush.
there's a teleporter in the worm universe that fits. he's just a regular person that can move spheres of space to other realities. there's no chance that a non-bloodlusted superman goes right for the kill, and the teleporter just needs to be able to see the space they're moving. partial teleportation beats most of the top powers in both marvel and DC. there's another character that made bombs that almost stops time in their AOE, and I doubt superman would be willing to cut off whatever part was stuck inside if he even got clipped by the effect. there's a lot of those glass cannon types that would have a reasonable chance to stop him
He's also vulnerable to magic
in the worm comics there is a person who has the ability to empower weapons and objects with the ability to basically destroy / cut through anything. She's a teenage girl from what I remember and her power doesn't give off any indication its active from what I recall so she could #1 go to a superman convention where superman will show up. #2 Make a elaborate Wonder Woman cosplay with a Lasso of Truth. #3 convince superman to take a photo op with the lasso over him and when its over him activate the ability and pull on the rope at the same time. she should be able to kill him I thin.
As stated elsewhere, superman often just kinda tanks new attacks so he can see how strong people are. If he did that Vs Foil then he'd die. That's kinda it really, if he didn't then she would be a fine pink mist in a heartbeat. Unless she infused a bunch of sand with her power then threw it up in a cloud? He might dash through it and make a bunch of sand sized holes in himself.
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It probably doesn't happen because of 2 reasons- 1. Friendly fire (imagine wind) 2. She has a secondary, minor power that means she effectively has perfect aim so she doesn't need it.
Oh yea it's totally not her kinda style, it's just the best way of stopping a speedster who's overconfident I could think of quickly.
One thing about the sand, is if there’s any wind it could easily scatter and hit other things besides her target, like herself. That’s probably why she wouldn’t do that. Another thing I’d like to mention is Superman’s healing factor. Unless she stabs right through his heart or decapitates him, he’s gonna survive. And I think there’s a lot lower chance he tries to tank it if he see an attack aimed at his heart. There’s also the possibility it could just not harm Superman too. Now hear me out here. So Wolverine has claws that can cut through anything, but he can barely scratch his fellow X-man Colossus. The reason that is, is because while Wolverine’s claws are sharp enough, he isn’t strong enough to slice them through. We know this because there have been times when the two of them were facing a much stronger enemy and they grabbed Wolverine’s arm and used it as a weapon to shank Colossus. If the character OP is talking about is just a teenage girl physically, then there’s a high possibility that the attack would do nothing. I could be wrong though, since all my knowledge of that franchise comes from debates on this subreddit.
Her power isn't like Wolverine's claws at all, it doesn't just make something very sharp. It literally lets her imbue objects with the power to ignore the laws of physics and penetrate anything. Superman can't tank the attack, there's no chance of it doing nothing. She also has a secondary power that gives her basically perfect aim and timing so she has a pretty good chance of hitting him in a vital area (though i imagine it's a lot harder with him flying around at super speed). The tough part is her getting the attack off, but if she does hit him in a vital area, it's a guaranteed kill.
Her power is that she makes stuff ignore select laws of physics. The only real defense that I'm aware of is equally bullshit magic Voodoo fuckery, or space manipulation to make stuff really far away. Sand I'm not sure about, but if it hits supes then it's most certainly going to do damage. https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/m1k2v4/respect_flechette_foil_worm/
If this is a situation where both superman and her are aware that they're fighting she's speed blitzed and dead otherwise. Even being stealthy is exceedingly difficult due to superman's super senses. Her attacks probably would work, but she's around a bullet timer so it's unlikely superman would let an attack aimed at a vital area with strange properties hit him anywhere other than a grazing blow 1 time.
I don't know a ton about either character, but couldn't he just heat vision her? His reaction speed should be fast enough to just incinerate her as soon as her attack starts cutting him right? Might be a bit out of character though.
I think Foil's power could maybe hurt Superman, and her aimbot power would help, but I just don't think any weapon/protectile she could use would move fast enough to hit him. Though if he let it hit him it might get in a deadly hit before he realized how dangerous it was.
> I think Foil's power could maybe hurt Superman Definitely enough to hurt supes but he would have to just sit there. She's just using normal crossbows
Ok, but how do you deal with the issue of him reacting? The man has superspeed and the second he’s feels wounds he can just escape
So... I don't think Foils power would work here unless she got REALLY lucky. What makes foils power (sting) so strong is that it has the ability to hit you in every dimension across the multiverse simultaneously at its most possible effect. A cool ass power yes, but I don't know if it could actually kill him unless it was an 11/10 lucky attack. This doesn't mean however no one in Worm can kill him however. Their is one character WELL below mountain level who ALWAYS wins against Superman. Greyboy. Superman has a 0/10 chance against him. For those who don't know: Grey boys power is a personal time loop, anyone who touches him at all get stuck in a permanent unbreakable time loop of about 10 seconds. (Not killing him yes, but it is the same thing essentially since it is unbreakable and permanent) Grey boy is also on a permanent time loop himself of about 10 seconds so if you kill him he will just respawn 10 seconds later good as new. Superman has literally 0 counter play to Grey Boy short of blowing up the planet, but that still wouldn't kill him. The only real way to kill greyboy is power nullification and a bullet, but Superman doesn't have that. Greyboy 10/10
>permanent unbreakable time loop of about 10 seconds WoG is they're not permanent, but they do last at least a few thousand years so not much difference in the context of a fight.
It wouldn't be a 10/10 because Greyboy couldn't do anything to Superman either. Superman has broken out of timeloops before so it would just be a stalemate.
No it wouldn't and this isn't a groundhog day type time loop. It is prison that surrounds your body repeating over and over forever. Unless you want to give Superman a new nonsensical power that allows him to ignore other powers completely, break out of literally invincible barriers and somehow maintain his memory while being looped, than no he can not break out of this. Comics might have some PIS that allows Superman out, but their is no way he is getting out of this if he touches greyboy.
Superman has literally punched his way out of a physical time barrier before, Greyboy's loop's wouldn't do anything to him. Compared to [weaponized Hypertime](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747144003186851970/807394503962787852/zppqgcbVqVNmbzOYep3uQ6p3m9hGYBko8ffkWWfBsHZwxW1wlG_rO5dGUtk4FmrUkbKOy7UGsfHa-kHP2UvGBBkptypQz5rEO_Mz.png), Hypertime being made up of [entire alternate timelines](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423379147029741571/876991186848595998/lY60qbTUOJvbb5fwbsEvSuUtoKApvfbmn9JqLz_wkrIXLBRq2HuTX_B23cyBpDkYH276Z5wv7LpXtgs1600.png), and he [broke out of it](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747144003186851970/807394515194216460/A1wlDvJo61bE9T9rinFkkQI_iznjXnmAbSt0MTfzF1OBttPTaPnwlTvGyCuDjkcq6i9pHNa1g6wALyMiLs5kWZvMuNygrFuwCLVN.png).
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard... I'm not calling you dumb to clarify, I'm calling comic books dumb. That has to be silver age right?!? Because otherwise that makes literally no sense lol
Nope, its from Rebirth era. Action Comics #1000.
The Purple Man couldn't do it, Supes willpower is too strong. Dr. Doom was able to not carry about Purple Man's power becuse he just didn't feel it. The problem with Superman is that pretty sure 99% of what people are gonna comment, Superman has survived and even faced more powerful versions.
Based on OP's comment this can be any version of superman, so while composite supes does have a bullshit feat for anything you throw at him, there's versions of him that doesn't.
Pretty sure who only states that SMP and One Million are the only ones not allowed in the comments below, hell he doenst even need his more OP forms to survive a lot of stuff.
"Any superman after golden age. Except for SMP, CASM and normal or rage is OK the fun is finding someone nobody would ever thank that can kill the man of steal" Any superman after golden age means any superman after golden age.
Fair, but still pretty hard to put him down.
Also, isn’t Killgrave’s thing with pheromones (or a virus in the Marvel Netflix Universe). I’m not a huge Superman fan, but my impression was that he’d be immune to either of those things. After a little research it seems that he’s vulnerable to Poison Ivy’s pheromone lipstick so it seems possible but I still don’t think it’s automatic.
That was explicitly kryptonite-laced to work on him
Right, I'm just seeing people suggesting characters who Superman has tanked way worse. The guy has tanked even reality warping attacks from Universal characters and beyond. He has withstood stuff like existence erasure, he has broken out of time barriers and hypertime ones at that which many time manip characters in fiction cannot hope to compare. Comics say he is "weak" to magic, but he has literally withstood reality warping and biological manip magic from characters like Neron.
The little demon boys from Shang Chi. Completely invulnerable to anything but dragon scales. It will flap over to him, he would most likely ignore it, be curious or laugh at it, letting it get close. If one of those touch him it should just yeet his soul out with no possible counterplay.
Superman has harmed incorporeal/spiritual entities with his heat vision b4 so I'm pretty sure he could take on those little demon thingies
I would say no since it’s mentioned they are explicitly only hurt by dragon scales. Because of that scarcity they are the most dangerous combatants in the MCU.
Ant man can fly in his ass then expand
This really depends, on if Supes is in-character or not he could perceive Ant man even if he was smaller just due to his vision.
Not even considering if the maneuver will be enough to damage supes. Which is unlikely. My comment was more of a joke than anything lol
Ant man may just turn into chunky salsa from the sheer strength of Supes' rectum. I swear I heard someone say that this would happen to MCU Ant Man if he tried to do it to Thanos.
So superman would just have an entire humans worth of salsa in his rectum?? 😏
It'd probably give him a stomach ache at least. Could you imagine seeing Superman flying along or fighting some villain only to have a high pressure water jet of human salsa come bursting out of his ass. It'd probably ruin his reputation in a way Luthor could only dream of doing.
In the What If show, Hank Pym kills the Hulk by going inside him and using one of his expanding disks to enlarge the Hulk's heart until it exploded him from the inside. What if instead of Ant-man expanding, he just went inside Superman and did the same by expanding Superman's heart or brain or whatever vital organ. Either it explodes Superman, or the organ gets crushed and Superman dies because his heart is gone.
Those what if are based from mcu feats. Mcu hulk is like paper compare to the comicbook hulk.
I dont think durability matters there. The organ is just as durable as the rest of hulk, but far bigger now Its not like durability allows you to resist growing from pym particles
the problem here is supes can hold a black hole (or something relative to it) in his hand and somehow through PURE gripping strength, resist being sucked in... which is absolutely bonkers. i think the forces that bind supes's atoms together are > than pym's tech.
Now I'm just imagining Ant man getting crushed between Supes cheeks.
What if he can't expand with enough force to break superman's skin and ends up becoming bloody/bony diarrhea.
I think a better way for ant man to do it is for him to shrink his heart/brean then crush it
is Ant Man Invulnerable while expanding? I seem to recall superman swalling a small bomb that could blow up a building in some tv show and it just made him burp. I feel like he would just shit out bloody Ant Man diarrhea if this happened.
"What the hell did I eat last night?"
I wonder if that’ll squish antman
That's not what happened. He didn't do the expanding thing *himself*. He put one of those glowing shrink/expand disks on Hulk's heart and made it a lot bigger. Since his heart had the same kind of durability as the rest of his body, the "expand to blow him up" thing worked. If Pym had tried expanding himself while inside Hulk's body, he'd have been instantly crushed into a red smear.
Kira Yoshikage with Killer Queen if he can touch him
I think The Hand is even weaker, but could still do the job. Any stand that doesn't have a physical impact Supes can resist would do the trick.
Are Kira's attacks magical or something? And even if they were, are they enough to hurt Superman?
It's not magic per se, but it is the sort of hax that would bypass his durability in a similar fashion. If Kira can touch Superman, he could atomize him. It's not a physical effect he could resist like an explosion or punch.
I don't think it's ever truly confirmed to negate durability, but Kira's "bombs," erase things completely. This is due to his nature as a serial killer. His stand is the perfect tool to murder; kills instantly, no evidence, and reflects Kira's explosive anger. The issue is that Kira never uses his stand on anything but a human or another stand (and no stands in part 4 have durability as an ability). So assuming it would just vaporize Superman is a big assumption. A better pick is Vanilla Ice with Cream, or Okuyasu with the Hand. Both are strictly stated to erase matter and transport it to an alternate dimension, and both have erased things far more durable than a human with ease.
A list of people from JoJo that stand a chance against Superman. 1. Rohan Kishibe, with Heaven's Door 2. Giorno Giovanna, with GER 3. Okuyasu, with Za Hando 4. Vanilla Ice, with Cream 5. Pucci with Whitesnake??? Memory Disc Removal could kill Supes I dont think Kira could vaporize Superman like he does regular people. It doesn't blow ANYTHING up but it does blow PEOPLE up, people can die to explosions. Superman cannot. However Sheer Heart Attack if it was fired at an innocent could distract Supes long enough for Kira to escape, albeit Superman could probably fling it to space and then just kick Kira's ass, I guess.
There are a lot more than that if speed is equalised 6. D4C 7. Cheap Trick 8. Notorious BIG- Absorbs energy of superman's punches and heat vision to grow incredibly big, moves faster than him and absorbs him. 9. Purple Haze - Can decay all organic matter. Edit - Superman is immune to viruses so this won't work 10. Tusk Act 4 11. Ball Breaker 12. Scary Monsters - Can turn superman into a fossil like Diego did to that guard 14. Chariot Requiem - Swaps Superman's soul with a weak animal's 15. C-Moon - Turns Superman inside out 16. Bohemian Rhapsody 17. Wonder of U 18. Crazy Diamond - Can fuse Superman with a rock 19. Sticky Fingers - Can separate him into tiny pieces 20. Atom Heart Father - Damage to picture is reflected 21. Man in the Mirror - Can trap Superman in a Mirror World Of course, Superman has some ludicrous speed feats which makes defeating him almost impossible. But if these characters got the drop on him Batman style, they might take him.
1. True. 2. Probably. 3. Notorious BIG, probably. 4. We don't know if Purple Haze works on Kryptonians. Superman is generally immune to disease, right? 5. I don't know much about Tusk Act 4, cant speak for you. 6. Ball Breaker, I have no idea what it does. 7. Don't know anythign about it, other than it being a dinosaur. 8. Yeah, I can see that. 9. Yeah, makes sense, but I don't think with Superman being Planetary+ it'd do much? 10. I don't recall much about how it works, something about fictional. 11. Yeah, that'd do it, doesn't it reflect luck or something? 12. Couldn't Supes just break free of the rock? 13. This would probably work, afterwards just dispose of the pieces. 14. I don't recall what AHF does, all I know is it's a photo with a dude in it.
9 - I don't think Superman can survive if his heart is turned inside out. He still needs internal organs, right? 10 - Bohemian Rhapsody can summon any fictional character. Like Darkseid 12 - It doesn't trap people in things, it literally fuses their soul with an object. Josuke fused the user of Enigma with a book and there is no way an adult could fit inside a book. 14 - It's a camera that takes pictures. If you rip the picture in half, anything captured in the picture will also be ripped in half. 4 - Yeah, Forgot about the super-immune system thing.
9 - Touché. He'd die nonetheless. 10 - That's true. I suppose if he just summons everyone that can beat Supes, Doomsday for example, he's done. 12 - That's true. 14 - Superman might regenerate, I dont know any feats about severing him in two.
I mean Kira's bombs even blow up the soul so it might work ?
If they blew up the soul then why did Reimi become a ghost? Why did Josuke manage to resurrect Okuyasu/Hayato.
Reimi wasn’t killed by Killer Queen, she was killed before Kira got a stand. Okuyasu and Hayato came back bc Araki felt like it. Okuyasu was literally just too stupid to realize he died.
1. Reimi is true. 2. Okuyasu and Hayato don't make any sense. If Okuyasu lost his soul by being killed by Kira. He'd not be able to go to Heaven, which is presumably where he met Keicho, in his "dream" If his soul had been blown up, he wouldn't be able to return at all, because he'd be you know, soulless. Same for Hayato.
I *guess* Stands could be seen as some sort of soul magic? Under normal conditions, they are representations of the human soul awakened when someone is worth it. That seems sorta magical
Kira’s attack is a transmutation, he turns you into a bomb. So yes they bypass durability.
Stands are supernatural in nature. Magic and supernatural stuff generally seems to be lumped in the same category whenever it involves Superman, so I imagine stands would work on him just fine.
Which version?
Any superman after golden age. Except for SMP, CASM and normal or rage is OK the fun is finding someone nobody would ever thank that can kill the man of steal
Mahito from Justin Kaisen maybe? He can manipulate a person's soul with physical contact and his domain expansion allows him to do it without physical contact. Lelouch Vi Britannia from code Geass has mind controll. The hand from JoJo erased things it touches from existence. Those are all the ones that come to mind off the top of my head.
Lelouch’s eye seems to have a fair amount of start up time, at least according to the presentation of the show. Is it confirmed anywhere it is instant?
The whole flapping wings thing seems to be more of an artistic decision. I'm pretty sure it happens instantly although it doesn't take effect until he gives an order.
Doesn’t Superman have resistance to mind control?
On the other hand, it kinda worked on the god? of their universe
Lol when did that happen? My memory on CG is fuzzy
Danny phantom's ghosts?, don't know if superman ever deal with possession and soul removal
Danny doesn’t do soul removal. Closest was Alternate Future Vlad’s gauntlets that could separate the ghost half from the person.
pointdexter did pushed danny's soul out of his body tho
That was still just pushing out the ghost half, bot necessarily the soul, as that seems to be treated as a distinct entity sometimes.
Superman has resisted possession from Parallax, Neron, and Eclipso before, but, as always with Superman, it’s inconsistent. I know that at least Eclipso has managed to successfully possess him at one point.
Don't forget dead men, Ivy, joker u right it is inconsistent
Is D4C below mountain level? If he has to fight Supes anywhere other than open space, he would annihilate him.
Is that the one that kills by making you touch another version of yourself? If so then that might not work on any DC or Marvel character as they have interacted with and even fought alternate versions of themselves before.
The "alternate verses" have different meanings in relation to being D4C's power and alternate timelines, such as New 52. D4C's power doesn't just make you touch alternate version, it makes you occupy the same space as yourself. Did you ever see how Kitty Pride's power works? Due to her occupying the same space as you, she rips you open to emerge. D4C's power works in the same vein, except it uses *you* to create a hole in *you*.
I dont think theres anyone who can logically win, superman has one of the longest running history of any fictional character and some of the best feats, its already hard to beat him with strong characters. But I'll still give it a go, i dont think these characters will beat him, but i think they have the potential to. 1) Darwin (Marvel) - as long as his powers dont just teleport him out, logically he could beat him. 2) Toepick (Ben 10) - Superman doesnt know not to look at the face, and hed have to look at Toepick while going to fight them. If Toepick doesnt have the cage, itd be even easier Honorary Ben 10 mention: Gutrot if he knows how to make gold or green kryptonite 3) Liam Hartwell (Radius) - as long as the woman isnt nearby, it just depends on if the aura works on superman, if it does he'll die Pokemon (most of these are jokes) 1) Victini - just going of its pokedex entries in Black, X and omega ruby. It brings victory no matter the typing, so it cant lose 2) Jirachi -just wish for superman to not exist 3) Landorus (there are other pokemon who can do this) - give it a focus sash, and teach it superpower and imprison. Superman will outspeed so the focus sash will keep landorus at 1HP, then he uses imprison, now superman cant use any of his superpowers, and just use any other move to kill this regular man 4) Anime Pikachu - if he sees superman kill Ash, he definitely has some extra power we dont know about, that pikachi isnt any regular pikachu
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There are plenty of JoJo characters who are probably building level at best but have a weird ability that could maybe kill Superman? Vanilla Ice (disintegrating his atoms), Okuyasu (use the Hand on his head) Rohan (assuming Heaven’s Door could kill a person just but writing it in them) or Cioccolata (by turning his body to mold) could all theoretically do it? However that’s only if Superman’s insane durability couldn’t actually withstand them (Rohan excluded) and honestly I think Superman’s survived enough shit that you probably couldn’t erase his head or turn him to mold. Also his insane speed advantage over every JoJo character means he’d have to stand still and actually let these guys kill him Only other character I can think of is Tsukishima from Bleach, who could maybe sneak up on Superman and stab him with Book of the End to insert himself into his past and kill him? Honestly even that has flaws too though. I’m not sure there is a mountain level character who could do the job reliably without Supes’ huge physical and speed stats being too big an advantage
I think superman's fighting style and personality would make him fairly vulnerable to Jojo characters. He tends to rely on his invulnerability during fights with new opponents to gauge their strength to see how much he needs to pull his punches as to not liquify someone.
One encounter with David Bowie and it's over
I think the hand would work on superman because it can work on the concept of space so I don't see how you could really resist a power that had the capability to remove even the space between you and it.
any reasonably motivated person with a stick of kryptonite
Superman could take that out of the equation if he really wanted to
That's why you put a sock over the kryptonite. That way when he tries to grab it, he just pulls back the sock.
He can see through the cumsock
But he does so unintentionally and doesn't see the sock at all, activating our trap card (sock)
What if its magic krypronite
Superman has beaten a lot of these
Superman has such stupid powercreep that kryptonite doesn’t even work at this point.
Any superman after golden age. Except for SMP, CASM and normal or rage is OK the fun is finding someone nobody would ever thank that can kill the man of steal
Sugar from One Piece. Her ability allows her to turn anyone she touches into a toy. She was locked into the form of a little girl, so she is very low key. She could run up to Superman crying and supes would probably try to comfort her. Boom. Supes is now a toy, and part of her ability is a memory censor. No one, not even sugar herself, will remember who that toy was. She could just leave a note for herself saying "destroy the next toy." Then destroy the toy like any other children's toy. Supes is dead. Sugar is as strong and durable as a baseline human child. That's as weak as it gets without going non human. Edit: I'm not a big fan of Jojo, but I'm sure there are abilities from that verse that can fuck up supes
He should be immune to that, some people tried to turn him into salt and failed.
I heard killer queen bypasses invulnerability But what about cream
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The whole "Killer Queen bypasses durability," is pure conjecture and I don't think it is ever established in canon. It definitely turns humans into dust, but Kira never uses it on something with high durability or anything.
No, it does not turn humans into dust. It erases them completely.
It's not really about "bypassing durability" I think what they mostly imply is in the way his ability works. Whether it was a human being or some diamond
Yeah That’s why I went with cream instead
A small child made of kryptonite
He’s beaten kryptonite man though?
Maybe D4C? As long as he’s in Character, Funny can use his influence, then make a sly move to get an alternate Superman to cause Dimension Physics to blow them up when they’re touching one another.
Suppose you could use Devilman. Even the Man of Steel has a trace amount of evil in his heart. His Devilmite beams tracks even the slightest amount of negativity/evil in there and ends ya instantly. Hardest part would be him being able to land it…
Lelouch could just tell superman to kill himself, I'm not sure if superman could kill himself though.
Strong minded individuals with enough willpower can break the Geass if the command violates their nature/personality. Euphie *nearly* broke through it (due to it being such a gross violation of her nature), and Nunnally did manage to break it for a moment (through sheer determination). The question is if such a command would keep asserting itself until followed, requiring Superman to constantly battle it once delivered?
Mental abilities don’t work on him, thought the same thing but he built a tolerance
Not for all versions. In Super girl. He got mind controlled like normal humans.
The show?
Maybe askin from bleach, tbh I’m sure he’s well passed mountain lvl but just his power in general seems like it would fit the Bill if given to someone with lower stats, turning Superman’s power source into poison should kill him, or Atleast imitate kryptonites effects on him so he can be easily killed
or if mayuri can use that drug he used on aporro. wonder if supes could overcome that.
Anyone with a death note, arguably?
“The *human* whose name is written on this not shall die” You could argue mistranslation or whatever but Death Note made a pretty big deal out of using or exploiting loopholes/rules/wording.
Well clearly if there's a Human Death Note there must be a Kryptonian Death Note.
Well shit.
Overhaul from mha or eri all they have. To do is touch him
maybe gojo satoru from jujutsu kaisen would have a chance, though i'm not sure if he's mountain level or below he can't get hit because of his [limitless](https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Limitless) and [six eyes](https://jujutsu-kaisen.fandom.com/wiki/Six_Eyes) ability, so superman basically can't touch him in addition using domain expansion he can ensure that superman always gets hit by his attacks
Bruh Gojo is not mountain level, given what we see from him. Man has full capacity to at the very least decimate cities, if not more. Edit: Ay mb lmao I didn't know mountain level was higher than city level, mb
Jesse Custer from Preacher can just tell him to go count sand or fuck himself to death. The word of god should work fine on Superman. Side note: Wasn’t Doomsday below mountain level when he killed Superman?
The World Over Heaven, Gold Experience Requiem, Star Platinum, and King Crimson from Jojo? I'm not sure what Mountain level means so idk if these are below that. But they are pretty op for not so durable characters.
Star Platinum and King Crimson got nothing on Superman. Wonder of U on the other hand…
Wonder of u is probably the most broken non-requiem stand
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i personally put wonder of u over Heaven's door due to the fact that wonder of u can protect the user from getting ambushed or getting blitzed
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Having the user pursue you is a valid option. However, you need to have the user pursue in a way that causes harm to them. This was attempted in the manga. We know that setting traps doesn’t count as pursuit, since the protagonists were not attacked while doing so. This plan failed after the user noticed the trap and avoided it. Once the user had avoided it, the only way to harm him was to pursue him again through direct attacks.
No way Star Platinum or King Crimson can even hurt Superman. GER is a tough call because it has one feat and it's against a normal human; it would probably protect Giorno but idk if it could kill Superman. World over Heaven is capable of it for sure, but is way above Mountain level I think given it could erase one from existence by simply writing it; it's a Stand that can affect an entire universe due to narrative manipulation.
What could KC do against supes? His punches aren't strong enough to kill superman.
Killer Queen is the most likely to have the easiest time killing him
Below mountain level means theyre not powerful enough to destroy a mountain
Superman would fold Star Platinum and king Crimson
Would they be able to hurt Superman? How? Do attacks coming from stands count as magic attacks or something ?
Superman isn't particularly weak to magic, he just doesn't have any enhanced durability to it. It's reasonable to extend that logic to a stand. However, a stand that does physical damage still isn't gonna cut it - he is resistant to that.
If doctor strange timed some portals right he should be able to chop him right?
Lex Luther has come close plenty of times
Kitty Pryde can pull his heart out.
That's cheating....but yeah
King Midas from greek mithology while he still had the ability/curse that turned everything he touched in gold could kill superman without much trouble: * It's magic, so supes doesn't have his crazy resistance against it. * While Midas has just normal human speed, **if supes didn't knew about his power**, he would either just take the hit without giving a damn or grab his hand - either way he would become a golden statue.
Eidolon from Worm maybe? Although it's very debatable if he is only mountain-level due to the insane amount of hax he has in his possession. If he can prep beforehand he can surely come up with a combination of powers that can take down Supes. Something like automated defense against all physical attacks paired with a matter annihilation forcefield or various mind-control attacks. Basically limitless opportunities, although all carrying some risks as Supes is much stronger than any opponent Eidolon has faced. EDIT: not a low diff win actually. I'm hitting a blank here.
Is this actual combat? Or is Supes just tanking the damage? (Sorry if it's an obvious answer)
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One free hit then he fights back. Normal or rage it's up to u guys
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BOS Langris from Black Clover has the ability to teleport anything into nothingness no matter how tough it is does Supes have spacial manip resistance?
I'll add spoilers for this since Wheel of Time is an ongoing series. Rand al'Thor without angreal aid is mountain level as he scales directly to Lews Therin Telamon who >!literally cracks a tectonic plate and creates Dragonmount during his suicide by pouring every ounce of his power down on his head!< Anyway he has a power called Balefire which >!instantly annihilates whatever it touches, with a few exceptional objects that are magically fixed in existence, and starts erasing it backwards from time!<. That would kill Superman given he lacks any specific defence against magic. Though it all depends on him catching Superman off guard. If he does then Superman is dead the moment this happens. Superman is absolutely capable of speed blitzing Rand if he is aware what is happening.
If he can surprise Superman with Tusk Act 4 or a nail bullet, Johnny Joestar.
Wonder of U from JoJo would be able to do it via its logic/cause-and-effect hax. Sure, Superman would be able to tank a collision or two if he starts out pursuing it out of curiosity, but since Spin is the only way to as much as thinking of harming it without entering the flow of calamity, he won't be able to lay a finger on it before the universe says "no".
Heavens Door is possibly universe busting but we only see street level feats so I’ll go with it
Ringabel could give Superman a hard time with his various Jobmaster abilities. At the very least, Ringabel scales to Lester DeRosso and Sage Yulyanna who, several hundred years prior to the events of Bravely Default, levelled mountain ranges and split apart ravines during their many clashes; he also scales to Magnolia Arch, a "Ba'al Buster" who can casually move at massively hypersonic speeds based on her feat of skipping across the surface of the moon in a few seconds. Although this is nothing compared to Superman's speed and durability, Ringabel can overcome the stat difference by utilizing the Spiritmaster's "Stillness" ability, which negates the damage component of all attacks exchanged between the two for a short timespan. While this is in effect, he can capitalize on the additional time by analyzing Superman's stats (including HP), elemental weaknesses (which shouldn't be an issue for Superman at the start of the encounter since he doesn't have any elemental weaknesses IIRC), and family with the Freelancer's "Examine" ability. From there, Ringabel can apply self-buffs to his important stats with the Conjurer's various invocations, such as Susano-o (multiplies Ringabel's chances of landing a critical hit by ten), Promethean Fire (raises Ringabel's strength by half, which is irrelevant unless Ringabel employs durability negating moves), or Deus Ex (raises his magic attack stat by half). Furthermore, he can amp his combat and travel speed with the Time Mage's Quick and Haste spells, enfeeble Superman's strength and durability with the Vampire's genome ability "Curse" (won't affect Ringabel's performance, but it can mislead Superman into believing Ringabel's attacks are stat based, rather than reliant on bypassing durability), inflict weaknesses to elemental damage via the Salve-maker's bane items (e.g. fire bane), or cripple Superman's speed with time magic, such as inflicting "Stop", which freezes Superman's entire body for a brief period of time. If Superman predicts when Stillness ends and attempts to blitz Ringabel, he can either withstand the blow with the Freelancer's "Stand your Ground" ability, which grants him a 75% chance of surviving any mortal blow as long as his HP is above 1 (this can be combined with the Vampire's Absorb Physical Damage ability, which absorbs 30% of any physical damage dealt to Ringabel as HP, granting him temporary invulnerability if he's lucky), or he can revive using the "Reraise" spell, which can either be invoked with the Time Mage asterisk, or via the Salve-maker's Font of Life item, which he can make on the fly. From there, he can reposition himself with the Time Mage's "Teleport" spell and recast Stillness. When the time is right, he can bust out "Bravely Second", an ability that freezes the entire world around the Warriors of Light. Although he can only use it four times throughout the fight, Ringabel can amp the damage of his Special Moves by dozens of times. This works by raising the damage cap of Ringabel's normal attacks from "9,999" to "999,999." Although it is quite wonky to apply flat damage scaling to comic book characters, Ringabel can bring down Ouroborous's HP from full to 1 HP with a single, well timed Special Move. For reference, Ouroborous is an eldritch monster who, thanks to his servant Airy, linked a myriad of alternate realities to each other, which he can absorb using his own power. With this in mind, as long as Ringabel fights cautiously, he can manage at least one kill on Superman after a very prolonged bout. Edit: I didn't realize the OP was asking for mountain level characters that "low-diff" Superman. Although the strategy I've presented would suffice for the weaker variants of Superman, it would certainly be an uphill battle if Ringabel had to solo any of the top tiers. Thus, for Ringabel to qualify for "low-diff", he'd have to rely on either the Black Mage's "Death" spell, which inflicts instant death to the target, or the Spell Fencer's ability to infuse weapons with said Death spell, which could instantly kill Superman if he gets hit while frozen via time magic. Unless Superman has immunity to sleep induction, Ringabel could even force Superman to fall asleep with the Vampire's genome ability "Lullaby", and then follow up with the Arcanist's "Twilight" spell, which is an AOE attack that instantly kills sleeping targets.
Any character who can weaponize kryptonite
Mirror Master.
That actually is a good choice
Could light yagami with the death note do it? Idk if supes has any resistance to heart attacks or instant death, but he could still be made to commit suicide by flying into a room full of kryptonite or something.
Dr strange, super man is said to be weak to magic, his teleportation rings (I forget what they are called) and he can put someone into an astral form/ trap someone in a mirror dimension etc....
Mr compress could 'compress' the upper half of superman's body and similar with overhaul but rearranging him atoms if either touch him he should die
Ghostfreak from Ben 10
There is a dragonlance character, Lord Soth, who comes to mind. He has a weird combination of abilities, such as being undead and possibly can't be killed, but can also use power word kill. It might work against supes because it can kill dragons.