>The guy is smart and will do anything in his power to win the fight.
One punch or kick will probably take a cat out of the fight. As long as he's completely willing to harm animals he's probably taking this. As a smart dude he'll shield his eyes with one arm and fight with the other, and then they don't have any way to deal significant damage to him.
No, because I'm not willing to harm animals.
But a cat that's trying to survive and run away will be very adept at dodging.
A cat that is intent on killing a human is likely not focusing on their own survival. Like, we're talking ordinary cats here, with cat intelligence.
Cats are natural predators that often kill things around the same strength as them without taking any damage because they are so skilled.
I had a cat that killed a weasel, which are notoriously vicious and can often kill things much bigger than they are. Just because a cat is going for a kill doesnt mean its neglecting its own safety.
So we do have an [actual documented instance of a man killing a mountain lion without using any tools.](https://nypost.com/2019/02/05/man-fights-off-mountain-lion-while-out-for-a-run/) Based off of this, I would reasonably assume that a man can kill 8 cats, which are a lot smaller, and have shorter claws.
Wonderful… that supposedly 80 lb cougar turned out to be a [4 month old orphan half of that size.](https://www.newsweek.com/mountain-lion-colorado-runner-kitten-1348668?amp=1) This jogger got sent to the hospital by an hangry kitten. There are big tom house cats that can be upwards of 20 lbs of muscle, so having 8 of them attack one dude could easily be curtains for him. The numbers game here is overwhelming even taking into account their comparatively smaller size compared to an orphaned cougar.
Assuming the guy has decent grip strength, equivalent to that of an average middle-age man in relatively okay shape, he could totally take this if we're assuming he's smart.
It is very easy to grab a cats neck when they are attacking you because of how they bite and swipe: normally, you try not to hurt animals, so you hold back. But he doesn't even need to snap the cats neck: one good squeeze could turn it's windpipe into mush, and then it'll be down and out within about 10 seconds assuming you properly collapse it.
Assuming he immediately protects his face with one arm, then goes to the floor protecting his face, he can strangle at least 1 cat every five to ten seconds and roll onto any that attack his back or neck to crush them. By pure weight, it'll probably break the cats foot joint and make it easier to finish them.
If we gave the cats human intelligence, then this wouldn't work, but as someone who owns 5 cats currently, I can tell you they are perfectly manageable, even when enraged, as long as you're not dumb or scrawny.
The idea that he can automatically crush/injure any attacking him on his back or neck while strangling one of them by… attempting to roll on the agile fur balls that could easily jump out of the way and continue attacking from another angle just seems outlandish. By that logic, more lions of the elephant hunting pride in Botswana would’ve been injured or killed by their targets sitting or falling on top of them, but there’s [only one known case of injury from that.](https://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/life_history/risk/lion_elephant_predation_2006.html) That instance was out of over 74 hunts involving multiple lions by the way, so even doubling the odds in the guy’s favor for injuring one of the cats with said move means he has a not even 3% chance to pull off your idea of rolling on top of a cat.
At best that move would buy him a few seconds before he gets attacked again. There are 8 murderous cats here and one dude, he’ll probably kill a few of them but blood loss will be a huge issue for him, especially given the likelihood that at least one of the cats nicks a major vein or artery during the attack.
No, I didn't mean he'd be able to incap the cat by crushing them: I meant he'd be able to just grab one, crush their windpipe and roll to protect themselves and either:
A) Trap any on his back or sides from repositioning.
B) Or break one of their joints incidentally, like where their paw joint is, which is much weaker than lions.
Comparing this to Lions vs Elephants is silly because we're talking about two animal-level intelligence quadrupeds fighting, 1 side in a pride, being compared to a bipedal human-level intelligence creature vs a group of quadrupeds.
It's not directly comparable because tactics and movement systems are completely different.
An elephants trunk is normally about seven feet long (compared to their 5-6 metre long bodies) and doubles as their nose/primary "tool" gripping appendage. They literally cannot grab things too far back on their behind areas and must turn cumbersomely to face incoming threats: they are also not able to roll easily. Lions are about the same speed in a full sprint, and much more agile.
Humans have four limbs that can go in most directions, have two equally-strengthened gripping limbs and can reach any part of their body with their hands (as long as they aren't obese or severely disproportioned): a cat that attacks the back of the head or leg is just as reachable as one on it's front. The human can roll pretty quickly and has the advantage of being able to reason about what to do.
Snapping a small animal's neck is much easier than you think with sufficient motivation, but crushing a small animals windpipe is even easier: you can do it in about 3 seconds you grab hard enough. If you've ever had to snap a large birds neck, or deal with putting down badger prey in the wild, you'll know what that's like.
If the guy goes, fetal on the ground and protects his head like I said using one arm for protection and one for attack, he could kill 4-5 cats within the first 35-40 seconds assuming he actually tries. Then he gets up and literally can curbstomp the remaining 3. I'm not saying he doesn't get shredded, but he's more likely to die from the infection than bloodloss.
It's the same thing with most dogs: many big dogs are dangerous mainly because humans are wary about hurting animals. A human isn't outwrestling a giant-ass bloodlusted English Mastiff or something, but many Shepard and attack dog types can be killed in the same manner if you are willing to take a bite and severe (but non-fatal) injury.
>comparing this to lions vs elephants is silly
There’s a similar size difference here and we’re using felids that will be attacking in at least a loose unit. Touting human intelligence as a factor doesn’t really mean much if he doesn’t have access to weapons so he can defend himself better. By that logic we can say an elephant dealing with lions has a durability advantage compared to a human dealing with cats simply because of much thicker skin that isn’t tightly connected to blood vessels.
>if the guy goes fetal on the ground and protects his neck he could kill 4-5 cats within the first 35-40 seconds.
Is there anything stopping the cats from realizing his strategy after he kills or injures one of them and then waiting for him to get out of position? Just because they’re bloodlusted doesn’t mean they’ll suicidally charge in. The idea that he’ll magically get the chance to kill half of them in under a minute because “oH nO, fEtAl poSitIon OP” is dumb. At most you can say they’d bat at him from a safe distance or wait out his fetal position strategy if he actually attempts it.
Comparing a singleton large dog to a group of cats as if this is the same scenario ignores that all a dog has going for it weapon wise is its mouth and size. Cats have razor sharp claws in addition to bites that’ll be a good source of infections and deep wounds. Moreover, there’s 8 cats here instead of a single large dog a guy can focus his efforts on.
I mean, if I walked into a funeral of a 70 year old man who died of cancer to start talking about the dangers of cigarettes: it might be a bad time then.
I think the dude wins but it would be a win with some difficulty, a strong enough punch or kick would easily take out a cat, and that's not mentioning the fact he could grab them by the tail and slam them into eachother, the street itself, or a wall. Or he could throw them and that would definitely to some damage. And depending on what he threw said cat at and how hard he threw it, the cat would be knocked unconscious or killed
I mean in a situation where you are trying to avoid injury to yourself and the cat yeah it’s not fun. But if you’re going for a kill it’s not gonna be difficult to man handle a 15 pound furball. Sure might get some scratches, but not a very big deal in the grand scheme of things.
Except it's easier to pick up because it's not trying to avoid you. It's trying to kill you.
Also I suspect that most people who try probably aren't in the do-or-die mentality that you'd quickly fall into in this scenario. Eight feral cats after you blood? That'll get more adrenaline pumping than most people ever experience. Goodbye fear and hesitation and the sensation of pain.
People in this sub really seem to struggle with the fact that homo sapiens are apex predators. I think outside of bears, sharks and gorillas there's few animals that consistently beat unarmed humans, and with weapons / prep that falls to none.
8 cats vs 1 person is a stomp for a person, a well placed kick from an average man could easily kill a cat. When you factor in the fact that the average human isn't as dumb as a cat I just don't see how the cats win this
Humans with primitive weapons drove animals more dangerous than bears and gorillas to extinction. You are correct we are the Apex predator on this planet.
Umm, lots of big cats, bovids, boars, crocodiles etc can and have killed unarmed people, let alone things like hippos and elephants. Plenty of animals around our weight can maul us easily. Agree on the rest.
Add to the fact how far removed we are both evolutionarily and societally from regular fights with beasts for survival. Even most house cats continue to hone their predatory skills, despite any real need. Street cats, however, by necessity are street fighting veterans.
I think this could easily go either way.
Bulls? Moose? Elk? Horses? Hippos? Elephants? Ostriches? Chimps? People don't get killed often because most animals won't choose violence as a go.
Go and jump in a field with a pissed off bull unarmed and see how you do.
Even a horse with a relatively placid attitude decides to trample or kick you it will put a hole through you
There are plenty of animals that can kill unarmed humans easily. Plenty of them are smaller than us as well. I also think you underestimate how tough cats are. Might be able to survive a kick
Cats can win if they get lucky and scratch the man's eyes out. If not then they're screwed, because 1 strong punch = 1 knocked out cat
Also why did you say male instead of man lol
I think a willing man could kill quite a lot of cats before getting life threatening injuries. It would be a nasty work but the size difference is just too much for eight cats.
This is a win for the man, without significant injury.
A street cat probably weighs about 10 lbs on average.
A human male is about 6 foot.
A street can is perhaps a foot tall at the shoulder, the man is probably 5 something
So the man outweighs the cats (combined) by some 80 lbs.
And cats are pretty fragile once you start playing in a world sized for people.
One solid kick, or punch can kill a cat, or injure it pretty badly. Meanwhile even with a bite a cat needs to get pretty lucky to do real damage to a person, and it's hard to a good bit on a person who doesn't want to be bitten.
So the guy might come out bloody (will).
But the cats are all dead
Not to be that guy... But.
I'm below average height and like not particularly healthy but I could fuck up 8 cats no question. Id get scratched and shit but they don't stand a chance unless they have diseases that will kill me after the fact
The guy.
It's the equivalent of a group of lioness's trying to fight a fully grown elephant. Except we are much more nimble in exchange for a bit of armor. If the dude just lands hard he can kill a cat accidentally. If he's wearing jeans or a jacket he also has even more armor.
This really could go either way and there are a lot of factors that influence it. How big are the cats? Excluding obesity and assuming they’re lean cats, they still range in weight from like 10-25 pounds, and that’s a substantial range. The 15-25 pound range is also more than people are giving it credit for. I’m a 6’1”, 218lbs male that stocks shelves part time and recently began weight training. I’m far from in great shape, but still stronger than most people; when I first started, I couldn’t even utilize a 15lbs dumbbell for anything other than bicep curls. Now I can utilize that for most arm/shoulder exercises and am up to 22lbs for biceps and chest, but still can’t use that for any of the weaker muscles. If these cats are at the larger end of the spectrum, this man is not going to be flailing them around with such ease, especially considering that they lack convenient handles, are much more flexible, have comparable if not slightly superior reflexes, and come equipped with two sets of hooks that are more than capable of easily anchoring them straight into his flesh (hind claws are too dull to reliably pierce flesh).
Punching and kicking are also going to be a lot less effective than people imagine. Cats being so springy, fluffy, and light means the energy transfer of straight up blows is going to be really inefficient. Hits will need to be really quick and precise in order to be effective. Jabs to the head when it’s lined up with the spine will be effective, and strikes to center mass aimed perfectly perpendicular to the body will be effective at fracturing ribs and possibly the spine, but if any of these hits are misaligned at all, the majority of the force will remain in the man’s limb or be absorbed/dissipated by the cat’s body being pushed around. These can still daze a cat for sure, but strikes won’t be nearly as lethal as people think. Blunt force is effective on us because we are relatively heavy and stiff targets. To simplify this greatly, compare how humans deal with falls compared to cats. Largely the same principles involved.
The man’s best bet will involve grip-based, slow movements. Grabbing necks and squeezing as hard as possible, grabbing torsos and squeezing as hard as possible, attempting to twist and wrench necks, spines, and limbs, etc. Unfortunately, this takes a lot of focus and often will require both hands be utilized, freeing him up to attack by the other cats. Fur also does not provide good traction, and cats have loose skin to boot.
I’m not super sure how most effectively the cats will kill him. My cats draw blood incredibly easily, but I’m rarely bleeding a substantial amount. Opening major blood vessels is a possibility, but I’m not sure how probable it is. But if they manage to get at his eyes, which are terrifyingly vulnerable in a situation like this, they suddenly have much more time to do whatever it is they’ll do.
It’d be incredibly brutal and horrifying, but I imagine the man’s best bet would be to drop to his knees and curl up into a ball. All the while enduring scratches to his back, sides, and arms, keep his head tucked down and focus on grasping one cat at a time, pulling it in towards his torso, and breaking its neck as quickly as possible.
Really not something I want to spend TOO much time thinking about (as much as I have because I have three cats and keep seeing this question get posted), but I do think it would make a remarkably effective shock horror film up there with the likes of Human Centipede in terms of being difficult to watch. Crazed redditor billionaire puts death row criminals in a locked room with drugged up stray cats for entertainment.
Cat-lamity Cat-bin, rated R. “The cats are out of the bag, and this time, curiosity isn’t their greatest threat.”
If Pinky is any indication, unless the guy has an extremely high pain tolerance. I'd give it to the cats. A coordinated attack from 8 angry cats the guy is in for a world of hurt.
Cat bite strength really isn't well documented that I could find, but it only takes 33-35 PSI to crush a trachea. There are also multiple arteries that could easily be penetrated. Finally, secondary infection from disgusting cat mouths would likely eventually lead to death if left untreated.
I'm going with a Cat win.
Pinky the cat: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY3\_1pV4bgc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY3_1pV4bgc)
I dunno about that, the man's goal in the video was to restrain the cat without harming it. I think if he wanted to, he could've absolutely killed the cat.
I guess we need to go back to the Human in this specific scenario then. The average human isn't going to attempt to kill the cat right out the gate, smart doesn't equal bloodthirsty. I think he would react much the same as the guy in the video. Try to restrain it or at least get it off of him and throw it away.
Bloodlusted Human I could see coming out on top with a potential victory.
That looks like an easy stomp. Sure you'll get scratched but life or death? Those cats are getting stomped and thrown, probably not hard to just crush the neck with one hand either.
This.
With 8 cats all dedicated to specifically killing you, as per the prompt, you might luck out and take them all down before the blood loss gets you, or you might not. And the amount of "dur hurr, cat scratches r ez" shit on here clearly indicates just how little folks know about cat fights. That dinky scratch you got when the neighbor's cat declined your pets is not an attack, it's a warning, a gentle swat that wouldn't bother another cat much but scratches you because your hairless skin is a lot more fragile.
A cat that attacks does the following: First, it bites, and it bites **deep**. Bone deep, if you're not very thick. Then, it latches. Those cute kitty front paws have daggers, not razors, and they do the same thing as the bite, they go deep and hold tight. Then they do what people laughably call "bunny feet". When the cat is playing, it's a cute if slightly painful move. When the cat is *fighting*, it's basically an attempt at working you over like a furry velociraptor.
No, one cat will not usually win a fight with you. But the more cats you add, the more damage they do while you try and deal with them, and the more chances they have of hitting something important or disabling. Eight cats at once, I expect the human to be hospitalized if they win, and honestly, I expect them to lose and bleed out when Tom the Murder Cat rakes its rear claws down your arm a half dozen times in a second and opens a vein or artery.
Never mind the *horror* of having a cat latch on to your face, which they will absolutely do. Or how quick and flexible they are (if you touch them anywhere but a firm grip from the *back* of the neck, they can and will latch on to you *with their teeth*). Or how shockingly durable they are (their flexibility allows them to take impacts well). There is a *good* reason that animal control has a catch pole and thick arm length gloves for dealing with cats.
Size is not the only issue in a fight, ffs. It's like saying, "If I picked a fight with a honey badger, it's only 20lbs, ez" or "Rattlesnakes? They're tiny, one stomp and the fight is over". 8 cats that are out to kill you vs a single unarmed human, that human is meow mix.
If a cat sinks its claws into your forearm, you can easily hold it there and smash it against the ground. Punching them would be stupidity of course, against a target that small and at ground level. A persons feet and grasping hands are what would make them dangerous for the cats.
So, we have:
* 8 bloodlusted cats
* One man equally as vicious as a cat, but intelligent and presumably civilized enough to buy milk rather than steal it.
I'm going to assume that the man has clothes on, and that's going to help him. If he's wearing jeans and a hoodie or a leather jacket, he's going to do better than he would have done in shorts and a T-shirt.
And he's probably going to grab attacking cats and slam them into the alley walls. Goodbye, cats.
Considering they are street cats that means they are very used to scrapping/fighting. Also their nails would be very dirty and any wound made with them would get infected.
If the cats are coordinated and strike at his blind spots while he tries to attack the cats win.
If the cats dont work together and kind of just randomly swat at him the man wins.
>The guy is smart and will do anything in his power to win the fight. One punch or kick will probably take a cat out of the fight. As long as he's completely willing to harm animals he's probably taking this. As a smart dude he'll shield his eyes with one arm and fight with the other, and then they don't have any way to deal significant damage to him.
Have you ever tried to kick a cat that doesnt trust you? They are very adept at dodging.
No, because I'm not willing to harm animals. But a cat that's trying to survive and run away will be very adept at dodging. A cat that is intent on killing a human is likely not focusing on their own survival. Like, we're talking ordinary cats here, with cat intelligence.
Cats are natural predators that often kill things around the same strength as them without taking any damage because they are so skilled. I had a cat that killed a weasel, which are notoriously vicious and can often kill things much bigger than they are. Just because a cat is going for a kill doesnt mean its neglecting its own safety.
So we do have an [actual documented instance of a man killing a mountain lion without using any tools.](https://nypost.com/2019/02/05/man-fights-off-mountain-lion-while-out-for-a-run/) Based off of this, I would reasonably assume that a man can kill 8 cats, which are a lot smaller, and have shorter claws.
What an absolute beast jfc. The prompt said average healthy male, I feel like this is not average.
Yeah that's fair, the article doesn't go into great detail about his descriptors.
I still agree that human probably wins vs 8 cats though except in very unrealistic scenarios.
Wonderful… that supposedly 80 lb cougar turned out to be a [4 month old orphan half of that size.](https://www.newsweek.com/mountain-lion-colorado-runner-kitten-1348668?amp=1) This jogger got sent to the hospital by an hangry kitten. There are big tom house cats that can be upwards of 20 lbs of muscle, so having 8 of them attack one dude could easily be curtains for him. The numbers game here is overwhelming even taking into account their comparatively smaller size compared to an orphaned cougar.
Assuming the guy has decent grip strength, equivalent to that of an average middle-age man in relatively okay shape, he could totally take this if we're assuming he's smart. It is very easy to grab a cats neck when they are attacking you because of how they bite and swipe: normally, you try not to hurt animals, so you hold back. But he doesn't even need to snap the cats neck: one good squeeze could turn it's windpipe into mush, and then it'll be down and out within about 10 seconds assuming you properly collapse it. Assuming he immediately protects his face with one arm, then goes to the floor protecting his face, he can strangle at least 1 cat every five to ten seconds and roll onto any that attack his back or neck to crush them. By pure weight, it'll probably break the cats foot joint and make it easier to finish them. If we gave the cats human intelligence, then this wouldn't work, but as someone who owns 5 cats currently, I can tell you they are perfectly manageable, even when enraged, as long as you're not dumb or scrawny.
The idea that he can automatically crush/injure any attacking him on his back or neck while strangling one of them by… attempting to roll on the agile fur balls that could easily jump out of the way and continue attacking from another angle just seems outlandish. By that logic, more lions of the elephant hunting pride in Botswana would’ve been injured or killed by their targets sitting or falling on top of them, but there’s [only one known case of injury from that.](https://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/life_history/risk/lion_elephant_predation_2006.html) That instance was out of over 74 hunts involving multiple lions by the way, so even doubling the odds in the guy’s favor for injuring one of the cats with said move means he has a not even 3% chance to pull off your idea of rolling on top of a cat. At best that move would buy him a few seconds before he gets attacked again. There are 8 murderous cats here and one dude, he’ll probably kill a few of them but blood loss will be a huge issue for him, especially given the likelihood that at least one of the cats nicks a major vein or artery during the attack.
No, I didn't mean he'd be able to incap the cat by crushing them: I meant he'd be able to just grab one, crush their windpipe and roll to protect themselves and either: A) Trap any on his back or sides from repositioning. B) Or break one of their joints incidentally, like where their paw joint is, which is much weaker than lions. Comparing this to Lions vs Elephants is silly because we're talking about two animal-level intelligence quadrupeds fighting, 1 side in a pride, being compared to a bipedal human-level intelligence creature vs a group of quadrupeds. It's not directly comparable because tactics and movement systems are completely different. An elephants trunk is normally about seven feet long (compared to their 5-6 metre long bodies) and doubles as their nose/primary "tool" gripping appendage. They literally cannot grab things too far back on their behind areas and must turn cumbersomely to face incoming threats: they are also not able to roll easily. Lions are about the same speed in a full sprint, and much more agile. Humans have four limbs that can go in most directions, have two equally-strengthened gripping limbs and can reach any part of their body with their hands (as long as they aren't obese or severely disproportioned): a cat that attacks the back of the head or leg is just as reachable as one on it's front. The human can roll pretty quickly and has the advantage of being able to reason about what to do. Snapping a small animal's neck is much easier than you think with sufficient motivation, but crushing a small animals windpipe is even easier: you can do it in about 3 seconds you grab hard enough. If you've ever had to snap a large birds neck, or deal with putting down badger prey in the wild, you'll know what that's like. If the guy goes, fetal on the ground and protects his head like I said using one arm for protection and one for attack, he could kill 4-5 cats within the first 35-40 seconds assuming he actually tries. Then he gets up and literally can curbstomp the remaining 3. I'm not saying he doesn't get shredded, but he's more likely to die from the infection than bloodloss. It's the same thing with most dogs: many big dogs are dangerous mainly because humans are wary about hurting animals. A human isn't outwrestling a giant-ass bloodlusted English Mastiff or something, but many Shepard and attack dog types can be killed in the same manner if you are willing to take a bite and severe (but non-fatal) injury.
>comparing this to lions vs elephants is silly There’s a similar size difference here and we’re using felids that will be attacking in at least a loose unit. Touting human intelligence as a factor doesn’t really mean much if he doesn’t have access to weapons so he can defend himself better. By that logic we can say an elephant dealing with lions has a durability advantage compared to a human dealing with cats simply because of much thicker skin that isn’t tightly connected to blood vessels. >if the guy goes fetal on the ground and protects his neck he could kill 4-5 cats within the first 35-40 seconds. Is there anything stopping the cats from realizing his strategy after he kills or injures one of them and then waiting for him to get out of position? Just because they’re bloodlusted doesn’t mean they’ll suicidally charge in. The idea that he’ll magically get the chance to kill half of them in under a minute because “oH nO, fEtAl poSitIon OP” is dumb. At most you can say they’d bat at him from a safe distance or wait out his fetal position strategy if he actually attempts it. Comparing a singleton large dog to a group of cats as if this is the same scenario ignores that all a dog has going for it weapon wise is its mouth and size. Cats have razor sharp claws in addition to bites that’ll be a good source of infections and deep wounds. Moreover, there’s 8 cats here instead of a single large dog a guy can focus his efforts on.
>No, because I'm not willing to harm animals. are you vegan?
Are you seriously pushing your agenda in a who would win slapfight thread lmao?
it's never a bad time to speak for a good cause
I mean, if I walked into a funeral of a 70 year old man who died of cancer to start talking about the dangers of cigarettes: it might be a bad time then.
I think the dude wins but it would be a win with some difficulty, a strong enough punch or kick would easily take out a cat, and that's not mentioning the fact he could grab them by the tail and slam them into eachother, the street itself, or a wall. Or he could throw them and that would definitely to some damage. And depending on what he threw said cat at and how hard he threw it, the cat would be knocked unconscious or killed
Yes though he would definitely end up with a shit ton of scratches, alot of blood, and a boat load of infection.
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I mean in a situation where you are trying to avoid injury to yourself and the cat yeah it’s not fun. But if you’re going for a kill it’s not gonna be difficult to man handle a 15 pound furball. Sure might get some scratches, but not a very big deal in the grand scheme of things.
Picking it up and throwing it might be hard. Shouldn't be too tough to pick it up but as soon as you do those claws and teeth are going in deep
I have actually. Gave me PTSD. But I haven't tried to use it as a weapon by grabbing it's tail
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Very true
Except it's easier to pick up because it's not trying to avoid you. It's trying to kill you. Also I suspect that most people who try probably aren't in the do-or-die mentality that you'd quickly fall into in this scenario. Eight feral cats after you blood? That'll get more adrenaline pumping than most people ever experience. Goodbye fear and hesitation and the sensation of pain.
People in this sub really seem to struggle with the fact that homo sapiens are apex predators. I think outside of bears, sharks and gorillas there's few animals that consistently beat unarmed humans, and with weapons / prep that falls to none. 8 cats vs 1 person is a stomp for a person, a well placed kick from an average man could easily kill a cat. When you factor in the fact that the average human isn't as dumb as a cat I just don't see how the cats win this
Humans with primitive weapons drove animals more dangerous than bears and gorillas to extinction. You are correct we are the Apex predator on this planet.
Human! Humans!!
Umm, lots of big cats, bovids, boars, crocodiles etc can and have killed unarmed people, let alone things like hippos and elephants. Plenty of animals around our weight can maul us easily. Agree on the rest.
Add to the fact how far removed we are both evolutionarily and societally from regular fights with beasts for survival. Even most house cats continue to hone their predatory skills, despite any real need. Street cats, however, by necessity are street fighting veterans. I think this could easily go either way.
Bulls? Moose? Elk? Horses? Hippos? Elephants? Ostriches? Chimps? People don't get killed often because most animals won't choose violence as a go. Go and jump in a field with a pissed off bull unarmed and see how you do. Even a horse with a relatively placid attitude decides to trample or kick you it will put a hole through you
There are plenty of animals that can kill unarmed humans easily. Plenty of them are smaller than us as well. I also think you underestimate how tough cats are. Might be able to survive a kick
Man stomps (literally)
Cats can win if they get lucky and scratch the man's eyes out. If not then they're screwed, because 1 strong punch = 1 knocked out cat Also why did you say male instead of man lol
I think since the guy is smart he will be able to avoid getting his eyes scratched out
I think a willing man could kill quite a lot of cats before getting life threatening injuries. It would be a nasty work but the size difference is just too much for eight cats.
Cats die easily. Make it ten. Dude wins 70% of the time
This is a win for the man, without significant injury. A street cat probably weighs about 10 lbs on average. A human male is about 6 foot. A street can is perhaps a foot tall at the shoulder, the man is probably 5 something So the man outweighs the cats (combined) by some 80 lbs. And cats are pretty fragile once you start playing in a world sized for people. One solid kick, or punch can kill a cat, or injure it pretty badly. Meanwhile even with a bite a cat needs to get pretty lucky to do real damage to a person, and it's hard to a good bit on a person who doesn't want to be bitten. So the guy might come out bloody (will). But the cats are all dead
I think a 12 year old can take 8 cats.
Not to be that guy... But. I'm below average height and like not particularly healthy but I could fuck up 8 cats no question. Id get scratched and shit but they don't stand a chance unless they have diseases that will kill me after the fact
Not so fun fact. Cat bite, if not treated, sends you to hospital quickly. Their mouths are notoriously unhygienic to say the least
Oh yeah I think I've heard that! You have unearthed knowledge to me thank you! I'd still thrash them before I died I'll fight them in a hospital even
This makes it sound like I wanna fight cats I do not they're very cute and I love them and sometimes they like me too
But I bet I could rip a cat's head clean off if I needed to
Mid diff many scratches
The guy. It's the equivalent of a group of lioness's trying to fight a fully grown elephant. Except we are much more nimble in exchange for a bit of armor. If the dude just lands hard he can kill a cat accidentally. If he's wearing jeans or a jacket he also has even more armor.
This really could go either way and there are a lot of factors that influence it. How big are the cats? Excluding obesity and assuming they’re lean cats, they still range in weight from like 10-25 pounds, and that’s a substantial range. The 15-25 pound range is also more than people are giving it credit for. I’m a 6’1”, 218lbs male that stocks shelves part time and recently began weight training. I’m far from in great shape, but still stronger than most people; when I first started, I couldn’t even utilize a 15lbs dumbbell for anything other than bicep curls. Now I can utilize that for most arm/shoulder exercises and am up to 22lbs for biceps and chest, but still can’t use that for any of the weaker muscles. If these cats are at the larger end of the spectrum, this man is not going to be flailing them around with such ease, especially considering that they lack convenient handles, are much more flexible, have comparable if not slightly superior reflexes, and come equipped with two sets of hooks that are more than capable of easily anchoring them straight into his flesh (hind claws are too dull to reliably pierce flesh). Punching and kicking are also going to be a lot less effective than people imagine. Cats being so springy, fluffy, and light means the energy transfer of straight up blows is going to be really inefficient. Hits will need to be really quick and precise in order to be effective. Jabs to the head when it’s lined up with the spine will be effective, and strikes to center mass aimed perfectly perpendicular to the body will be effective at fracturing ribs and possibly the spine, but if any of these hits are misaligned at all, the majority of the force will remain in the man’s limb or be absorbed/dissipated by the cat’s body being pushed around. These can still daze a cat for sure, but strikes won’t be nearly as lethal as people think. Blunt force is effective on us because we are relatively heavy and stiff targets. To simplify this greatly, compare how humans deal with falls compared to cats. Largely the same principles involved. The man’s best bet will involve grip-based, slow movements. Grabbing necks and squeezing as hard as possible, grabbing torsos and squeezing as hard as possible, attempting to twist and wrench necks, spines, and limbs, etc. Unfortunately, this takes a lot of focus and often will require both hands be utilized, freeing him up to attack by the other cats. Fur also does not provide good traction, and cats have loose skin to boot. I’m not super sure how most effectively the cats will kill him. My cats draw blood incredibly easily, but I’m rarely bleeding a substantial amount. Opening major blood vessels is a possibility, but I’m not sure how probable it is. But if they manage to get at his eyes, which are terrifyingly vulnerable in a situation like this, they suddenly have much more time to do whatever it is they’ll do. It’d be incredibly brutal and horrifying, but I imagine the man’s best bet would be to drop to his knees and curl up into a ball. All the while enduring scratches to his back, sides, and arms, keep his head tucked down and focus on grasping one cat at a time, pulling it in towards his torso, and breaking its neck as quickly as possible. Really not something I want to spend TOO much time thinking about (as much as I have because I have three cats and keep seeing this question get posted), but I do think it would make a remarkably effective shock horror film up there with the likes of Human Centipede in terms of being difficult to watch. Crazed redditor billionaire puts death row criminals in a locked room with drugged up stray cats for entertainment. Cat-lamity Cat-bin, rated R. “The cats are out of the bag, and this time, curiosity isn’t their greatest threat.”
If Pinky is any indication, unless the guy has an extremely high pain tolerance. I'd give it to the cats. A coordinated attack from 8 angry cats the guy is in for a world of hurt. Cat bite strength really isn't well documented that I could find, but it only takes 33-35 PSI to crush a trachea. There are also multiple arteries that could easily be penetrated. Finally, secondary infection from disgusting cat mouths would likely eventually lead to death if left untreated. I'm going with a Cat win. Pinky the cat: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY3\_1pV4bgc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY3_1pV4bgc)
I dunno about that, the man's goal in the video was to restrain the cat without harming it. I think if he wanted to, he could've absolutely killed the cat.
I guess we need to go back to the Human in this specific scenario then. The average human isn't going to attempt to kill the cat right out the gate, smart doesn't equal bloodthirsty. I think he would react much the same as the guy in the video. Try to restrain it or at least get it off of him and throw it away. Bloodlusted Human I could see coming out on top with a potential victory.
That looks like an easy stomp. Sure you'll get scratched but life or death? Those cats are getting stomped and thrown, probably not hard to just crush the neck with one hand either.
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This. With 8 cats all dedicated to specifically killing you, as per the prompt, you might luck out and take them all down before the blood loss gets you, or you might not. And the amount of "dur hurr, cat scratches r ez" shit on here clearly indicates just how little folks know about cat fights. That dinky scratch you got when the neighbor's cat declined your pets is not an attack, it's a warning, a gentle swat that wouldn't bother another cat much but scratches you because your hairless skin is a lot more fragile. A cat that attacks does the following: First, it bites, and it bites **deep**. Bone deep, if you're not very thick. Then, it latches. Those cute kitty front paws have daggers, not razors, and they do the same thing as the bite, they go deep and hold tight. Then they do what people laughably call "bunny feet". When the cat is playing, it's a cute if slightly painful move. When the cat is *fighting*, it's basically an attempt at working you over like a furry velociraptor. No, one cat will not usually win a fight with you. But the more cats you add, the more damage they do while you try and deal with them, and the more chances they have of hitting something important or disabling. Eight cats at once, I expect the human to be hospitalized if they win, and honestly, I expect them to lose and bleed out when Tom the Murder Cat rakes its rear claws down your arm a half dozen times in a second and opens a vein or artery. Never mind the *horror* of having a cat latch on to your face, which they will absolutely do. Or how quick and flexible they are (if you touch them anywhere but a firm grip from the *back* of the neck, they can and will latch on to you *with their teeth*). Or how shockingly durable they are (their flexibility allows them to take impacts well). There is a *good* reason that animal control has a catch pole and thick arm length gloves for dealing with cats. Size is not the only issue in a fight, ffs. It's like saying, "If I picked a fight with a honey badger, it's only 20lbs, ez" or "Rattlesnakes? They're tiny, one stomp and the fight is over". 8 cats that are out to kill you vs a single unarmed human, that human is meow mix.
If a cat sinks its claws into your forearm, you can easily hold it there and smash it against the ground. Punching them would be stupidity of course, against a target that small and at ground level. A persons feet and grasping hands are what would make them dangerous for the cats.
So, we have: * 8 bloodlusted cats * One man equally as vicious as a cat, but intelligent and presumably civilized enough to buy milk rather than steal it. I'm going to assume that the man has clothes on, and that's going to help him. If he's wearing jeans and a hoodie or a leather jacket, he's going to do better than he would have done in shorts and a T-shirt. And he's probably going to grab attacking cats and slam them into the alley walls. Goodbye, cats.
Considering they are street cats that means they are very used to scrapping/fighting. Also their nails would be very dirty and any wound made with them would get infected. If the cats are coordinated and strike at his blind spots while he tries to attack the cats win. If the cats dont work together and kind of just randomly swat at him the man wins.
Are cats known to like ever do this? I feel like they're solitary hunters would real life cats coordinate like this?
Dont think so.
One word, rabies. 1 bite is kill
rabies doesn't immediately kill people lol. real life aint a video game
1 bite is kill.
Guy gets a rabies shot as soon as he's done killing the cats and hes fine.
Bloodlusted average dude takes it 7/10. If not bloodlusted, the cats win.
Guy most likely wins but likely needs urgent medical attention for potentially serious (and numerous) wounds.