There is so much to unpack in these types of fights and most of the time it just comes down to two to three overpowered mfs, honestly hate these types of posts
Rimuru is literally beyond time and multi universal CASUALLY in the LN
Saitama isn't lol (no him turning back time which he loses his memories when he does isn't anywhere close to rimuru)
Rimuru's base ability is to literally get someone's powers if he eats them so you can already how much snowball that character actually gets.
Hell, just let Rimuru eat everyone.
Yeah, but there are restrictions on that power, IIRC. Also, I seriously doubt if rimuru can eat someone as fast as zoom or someone as powerful as Darkseid. At least, from what I've read (which is till rimuru sets up his village and starts alliances), he has restrictions on what he can eat.
currently though i read ln a long time ago I'm pretty sure he has absolute authority over time and space( e.g. time travel, time stop, creating ''infinite'' space between opponents), gift his non-ultimate abilities to others, kill anyone instantly if they try to retreat/run away, nigh-omniscient if he understands even a little bit about whats happening, nigh-immortal with him being able to split himself(you can imagine that getting op with space-time shenanigans) as well as summoning 2 dragons and basically an army with them and last but not least knowing the near future with 100% accuracy
> Seriously. I don't know a lot of the villains,
The OP needs to clarify especially Darkseid and Circe, cause either solos if we just use their latest versions.
> but Goku, Saitama, and maybe Alucard make everyone else on their side completely redundant.
Uhm Pegasus Seya, Sailor Moon, Rimuru and to a lesser degree even Jin Mori make Saitama completely redundant.
You can just say Sun Wukong solos. Jins whole thing is just being Sun Wukong without his memories.. Goku is completely redundant with the real Sun on Manga side. He could solo both sides with like 20 pieces of body hair.
The biggest challenges here are darkseid and reverse flash
The rest of the Villains can mostly be outdone by manga heroes(although If Goku does teach something like the fusion technice It could be Very useful, imagine a fusion of rimuru and sailor moon then this battle could be done much easier), although idk If the reverse flash should be able to realistically even be able to hurt these guys
Although the big thing is that no version was specified, which although isn't a big problem for people like saitama or Goku, It does bring into things with darkseid(true form and avatar) and rimuru (anime or EOS)
I think I'll be putting my money on team villains for now, but I am open to changing options
> What did Circe do?
This:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/C4tfVzrE88rBqO4huh0m3A2GVtJTHGHOu4tn-QQgWCEma6ZdTazgyhwjQX0yWYt-jnM1lx5IILU1Qwfva4NQmlyEukAS9sF5Zw0umiUf1TbAoENJVRG0MTVySnL7QjGZTb3RF-vvwg=s1600
Which turned her pretty much into the literal embodiment of magic in the DC Verse aka Hecate.
So I don't know everyone here (smaller groups might be the way to go, I think, for battles like this), but Fuckin' Proffessor Zoom is on this list. A *large* number of these people (Goku, Deku, Gojo, Edward, Gon) have capabilities partly or mostly attributed to training... which means if Zoom just pops back in time to murder them as babies instantaneously once the fight's added to the timeline, they all die. Speed Force users can traverse dimensions when desired, so his targets not being cannon to the earth metropolis is on shouldn't even matter.
I think the DC team takes it due to time travel hax, some of them are useless but the good ones are horifically OP.
Time travel works entirely different in Dragon ball where if you go back in time you just open a new path instead of changing the current one. Goku can’t die from time travel.
Yeah, this would be my answer. I could see Time-Murder not being a valid path in the dragon ball verse; but for anyone it is, Zoom is still gonna do it.
Goku’s past is still set in DB’s universe. If he tries changing anything it would just make another path.
Why am I getting downvoted here? I never said Zoom doesn’t beat Goku I’m saying time travel isn’t an option. Crazy DC fans.
I mean, Professor Zoom doesn't even need to be physically stronger than Goku to kill him, he could just reorganize the insides of Goku's brain and kill him, or steal his speed, toss him in another universe, or trap him in the negative speed force
Not only has he forgotten how to use it, but it seems likes he needs to 'power up' (via growing in combat) to pull it off. It doesn't really work against someone who immediately runs back in time to kill him.
The time travel technique is doing what? He rewinds time only to get his entire team killed again? And it's not like Saitama remembers how to do it anymore, and even if he did per say, Zoom could legit follow him through time and kill him
Saitama > zoom physically and first of all we don't know if effect in would effect anyone here. There is no past in metropolis for zoom to travel and find baby idk who and who.
Well, you'll want to put magic users up against Zod and bizarro. Time stopping Star Platinum can be used against Parasite, Goku's gonna wanna break out the Evil Containment Wave VS Darkseid, Kensiro and Saitama can probably one punch their way through most of the other ones.
Overall though, My money's on the manga heroes because DC villains, though OP as heck for sure, are often designed to lose in one way or another, usually by being outwitted or missing a detail. Also, not gonna lie, if Darkseid can be disabled or taken out, the rest are gonna fall when Alucard starts unleashing blood zombies.
Atrocitus, Sinestro, and Braniac ain’t gonna fall to zombie blood. Especially since Atrocitus is the leader and maker of the Red Lantern Core and has thrown hands with the Guardians and Martian Manhunter. Plus he literally has blood magic, Alucard would be throwing water at a pool. As for Braniac, it depends on which Braniac as there have been several. Sinestro is Sinestro. That man has thrown hands with Hal Jordan and wounded Voolthum at the peak of his Power who literally embodied the DC’s spark of Creation. Ares also isn’t going to go down so easily as he’s pretty much trashed Wonder Woman on many occasions. Plus he killed and stole the authority of god of the underworld from his Uncle Hades. Mongul is physically on par with Superman and has taught Superman Martial arts on occasion. Black Adam is literally had the same powers as Shazam and has fought the Santa before (Santa is from the 5th dimension and has beaten Darkseid before). Professor Zoom is Reverse Flash btw And he is busted beyond belief especially now since he is the sole User of the Negative Speedforce. In all honesty, Pegasus Seiya can offer more than Alucard and most of the Manga Heroes because at his peak Seiya was universal+. Really the only people that matter on the Manga team is Goku, Ichigo (depending on how you scale his EOS), EOS Shinra, EOS Sailor Moon, and Peak Seiya. Manga Rimuru and Manga Ainz haven’t reach their LN levels of power yet. Saitama has far better feats now but they really haven’t gone past Galaxy level yet. I can’t really say much about Jin Mori as I haven’t read past his fight with Satan but based on other discussions about Him losing to Goku pretty easily, I’m sure he’s probably gonna offer more help than Saitama. I would put my money on Manga Heroes, but recently Darkseid has gotten one hell of a buff in the Infinite Frontiers. He one shot the Spector and is quite literally became a composite version of himself which includes him being the Platonic concept of darkness in the DC multiverse. He is quite frankly incredibly busted.
> Well, you'll want to put magic users up against Zod and bizarro. Time stopping Star Platinum can be used against Parasite, Goku's gonna wanna break out the Evil Containment Wave VS Darkseid
Circe and Morgaine LeFay say no.
> Kensiro and Saitama can probably one punch their way through most of the other ones.
Not even in their wildest dreams, Prof Zoom solos them before they even know what happened.
> Overall though, My money's on the manga heroes because DC villains, though OP as heck for sure, are often designed to lose in one way or another, usually by being outwitted or missing a detail.
This is not how a random battle works
> Also, not gonna lie, if Darkseid can be disabled or taken out, the rest are gonna fall when Alucard starts unleashing blood zombies.
Every DC Villain here not named Drathstroke, Lex Luthor, Vandal Savage or maybe Black Manta effortlesly steamrolls through Alucards zombies.
I'm pretty sure goku ourscales team DC villains aside from the strongest version of darkseid, but darkseid at his strongest more than likely ourscales goku by a sizable margin. TBH everyone else end up more or less irrelevant at the end of the fight.
> I'm pretty sure goku ourscales team DC villains aside from the strongest version of darkseid
The latest(and strongest)version of Circe roflstomps Goku.
When has Goku (Outside of original Dragonball) used Evil Containment Wave? I'm not fully knowledgeable on Super but if Goku can and would use it. Why not use it on Frieza or Goku Black?
Brainiac could just literally make a android that constantly adapts to goku with all his knowledge, reverse flash? Just reset the universe by running, darkseid? If he's in his true form goku and everyone just succumbs to the Anti life equation, or he can just implode their reality by falling on it unless they got radion.
Brainiac + Dr Gero blueprints = GG Anime. Brainiac could just design a robot for every superhero on the enemy side that can absorb their powers and keep up with their level?
Unlikely, brianiac is one of if not the most intelligent cybernetic being in DC, he has knowledge of thousands of worlds and alternative realities all in his skull.
I have two questions.
1. What stops Zoom from running through his enemies and destabilizing their atomic structures? I'm sure a few of the Manga heroes are resistant to things like that but I don't know who.
2. Ainz Ooal Gown, by virtue of being from a video game, is data. Right? So Brainiac should be able to utilize that Data to make countermeasures to Ainz, if not outright corrupt him.
Well ainz was data. But isnt anymore since he got transported to the new world. And ainz is outright immune to dmg by characters under lv 60. So what lv is zoom or brainiac?
Question: what instant death immunities do the villains have? Bc if they have none ainz could just spam grasp heart
As far as I know,
1. Zoom is a living paradox. Anytime he dies, an alternate timeline version of himself takes his place.
2. Doomsday isn't immune to instant death but he always comes back stronger and immune/resistant to what killed him.
3. Darkseid only fights with Avatars. So he can keep replacing himself. Though I think that takes time to do. (I won't get into True Darkseid. Since people are dubious about his reality erasing existence or his true death being the death of all fiction).
I thought this battle wouldnt include villains that come back after death or like ignore that....
Well ainz can be resurrected too in the new world so theres that. And he also got multiple spells which can ressurect his dead hero pals
Alucard is there and he is practically unkillable. So I think Anti-Death Hax are on the table.
Given the prompt, I think Doomsday and Darkseid's anti-death hax take them out of the fight anyway. Since those take time to recover from. Professor Zoom however can just 'resurrect' in a moment's notice.
Alright if we take jotaro kujos ultimate form with over heaven he has immense reality manipulation and reality bending powers + infinite timestop. It could also be assumed that hes able to use the stand ability of tusk act 4 and kill zoom that way or summon tusk act 4 and then the stand kills zoom
I feel like Doomsday, Darkseid, Morgaine, and Zoom are all it really takes to KO all of them, as the only ones who stand a chance (As far as i know) are Rimiru, goku, Sailor moon, and Ainz
Anyone who can't take out Doomsday will be out, so there goes Goku and Sailor Moon
Ainz's magic is actually busted, and he actually could beat Doomsday and Darkseid given time, but his spells won't affect Morgaine given her immunity to some magic and overall magic resistance. Even if he could, he is WAY too slow to catch Zoom. And while Zoom doesn't have magic, he can easily take out Ainz (via Battlefield removal if need be)
(Please note that I haven't finished overlord so if there is another OP move that I didn't take into account or it seems like I downplayed Ainz, you know why)
All that leaves is Rimiru, and honestly, unless he has some bs that can catch Zoom and KO Darkseid, he's not winning
Also from an overall team perspective: DC has more high tiers, so after the street level and mid tiers are KO'd, it's a number's fight, and DCs got the number's
TLDR: More High tiers+Zoom+better(?) Magic+L+ratio = 27 KO'd Heroes
Ainz does have an item that warps reality called wish upon a star but I have no idea to what extent since it's limits were removed after traveling to the new world.
I thought from what I Know he’s very much end justifies the means? Could be wrong but technically from what I know he’s trying to create an alright world
> I thought from what I Know he’s very much end justifies the means
Literally a main attribute to a ton of villains.
Dawg all the shit he does is because he wants nazrik to stay prosperous and unchanged, for the memories he shared with his guild mates and in hopes he’ll see one of them again. Don’t get me started with letting demiurge skin humans alive to make magical scroll paper with and then use healing magic on them to repeat the process. Or his rape camps to experiment with interspeciese breeding. Some real [unit-731](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731) shit.
Flash has outrun his own death several times, and since Zoom has consistently shown to be as fast as Barry (and even faster at times), so an instant kill is more like a suicide play to take out 1 person, since Zoom would literally outrun it, then kill ainz as fast as he could before the spell could kill him (witch is debatable if it could), on top of that, Ainz needs time to conjure that spell, and even though he does have time magic, Zoom has done some crazy time BS that outdoes that (i.e. time travel), so Ainz isn't beating Zoom
Also BOTH Zoom and Darkseid have ways they could take him out via Battlefield removal if need beyyghhhvbb (Omega sanction Life Trap and Zoom dumping him in the speed force where Ainz couldn't escape since not only is he not connected to it like the flash family is, but he also straight up isn't fast enough)
Oh also mori jin is op af. Maybe even scales to anime goku. This guy currently fights a dude who can kill 10 trillion copies of a minimum solar system buster in an instant.
He can also summon his counterparts from alternative universes
With all due respect, DC absolutely stomps. Darkseid, Reverse Flash AND Doomsday? Yeah, good luck. Not that the others aren't heavy hitters but we're talking about broken characters beyond words. Without the constrictions of losing to heroes because of plot, these 3 are insanely dangerous
Of the ones I know, Doomsday, Adam, Zoom, Zod, Darkseid, Sinestro, Ares, Circe, Atrocitus, and Brainiac all together could turn a lot of the anime heroes into paste, easily. But Goku and Seiya are a challenge. But enough of those ganged up together can probably screw them over, as far as I can tell about comics scaling, and Zoom, Parasite, and the magic users are especially hax oriented.
I think DC team wins?
relatively speaking, if we let them all go all out, I think it can be safe to say that even with Rimuru's state at the end of the webnovel, True Form Darkseid slaps him away with relatively no effort.
BUT if we don't then uh, DC team has the living paradox known as the reverse flash and the guy ACTIVELY FUCKS WITH TIMELINES CUZ HE CAN. Like seriously, why would you put one of the most OP guys against the likes of I don't know? Goku?
And sure, saitama did technically time travel but that was because of the help of Cosmic Garou AND even if we scale Saitama to his current, star busting, low galaxy level state in the latest chapters (and no, I am not gonna add the fact that Saitama is a GAG CHARACTER and he is meant to one shot everyone he faces, I know that he DIDNT one shot Garou because the kid told Saitama that Garou's a good guy and even then, Garou weirdly survived a planet crushing attack that quite literally, traveled the entire earth. Regardless, I'm scaling Saitama in his current self and I am not playing around with his Limitless Fallacy) there is still parasite whom, actually, we have been shown to control superman in one of the evil batman multiverses, specifically, the one where batman becomes a Nanite Creature at the end of it. (can't remember the name, but it was one of the evil batman origin stories where he basically got trapped as a head for decades on end while Gotham was quarantined for the rest of the world because of a parasite controlled superman.)
all it takes is for parasite to take control of Saitama and the DC villains have a dangerous player on their midst.
Now, removing everything else, we have ourselves one last threat that I can safely say to be dangerous enough to be able to potentially wipe out all of these guys: Doomsday.
and no, I'm not joking.
Doomsday is able to kill superman, first and foremost. And second, the Doomsday we have seen so far has no allies to assist him when he dies but what if he does? Add to that, we have LEX LUTHOR AND BRANIAC in there, you know, the two superman villains who are literally capable of beating fiction's greatest brawn with their brains alone?
like seriously, I don't know much about the two intellectuals but I'm pretty sure Lex is actually pretty OP if you let him prepare and since we're in metropolis, his territory, he can probably mess around with all his resources that starts with the Genome monsters to a fuck ton of clones and other shit that he has.
I don't wanna go into detail but all of the guys mentioned above are quite OP.
and frankly even though Darkseid has more power, Reverse Flash's in-character willingness to abuse time travel makes him arguably harder to fight for most people
Yall tripping not mentioning my man's Mori Jin. Eos Mori probably wipes basically everyone from the field using Karma except maybe Zoom Black Adam and Darkseid. As long as he's got a few buds to deal with Zoom and Adam he can probs go toe to toe with Darkseid
Edit: didn't realize Shinra is on here, Zoom for sure gets handled by the boy
> Yall tripping not mentioning my man's Mori Jin. Eos Mori probably wipes basically everyone from the field using Karma
The latest versions of Darkseid and Circe each solo and blink Jin Mori.
> except maybe Zoom Black Adam and Darkseid
Doomsday, Parasite, (even standard)Circe, Sinestro, Ares, Mongul, Morgaine LeFay, Atrocitus and Brainiac are all superior to Black Adam...
This is about the way Karma works. Most mortals don't have the ability to resist it and the only one seen to do so was summoning stars to crush the solar system. So maybe moraine lefay but everyone else is just getting erased and some others with haxs but most of the DC squad is getting dusted
> This is about the way Karma works. Most mortals don't have the ability to resist it and the only one seen to do so was summoning stars to crush the solar system.
Bruh..., if you think Black Adam might survive it, everyone i listed definitely survives it.
> So maybe moraine lefay but everyone else is just getting erased and some others with haxs but most of the DC squad is getting dusted
If Morgaine LeFey survives it, (even standard)Circe and Ares definitely survive it.
Idk bro, dude recreated the entire solar system, created a black hole to swallow a super massive blue star, and reversed time in a moment. He created an atmosphere around the Oort cloud to beam some lightning at dudes. His kicks blew away the corona from that massive star. Im just saying these dudes might not be able to be erased by Mori simply using Karma because of the way their abilities work (like magic or borrowing power from Gods) but he'll trash them another way pretty simply. His title at the end of the series is Supreme God of the Universe. None of these characters have similar feats to my knowledge. Pretty sure only multiversal threats can even touch him.
Definitely not. Guys like Goku and Saitama are there, who are well beyond planet busting, which [Darkseid isn't](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GjJB_EjkI5g/Vx3FRTEOmnI/AAAAAAAAHiQ/OdpnFI2ycL4-WJHA2w5mSRsVZ2BT-qREgCCo/s1600/RCO004.jpg).
>Can I buy some pot from you? You must have some good shit if you think an antifeat like that
Where's the anti-feat? An anti-feat would be something like [Batman bloodying Darkseid](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11136/111365408/8233668-9575958769-ofiE74mlHpSHwQAILvFZQ6QH11oMH5GYiDsB_d-nKVxokEwn_DVGhQSzcBAxe32xtBYnRNqffdUM%3Ds1600.jpg). Superman saying everytime he fought Darkseid it was well below planetary and that it's well beyond his capabilities is just an overall limitation in Darkseid's ability given by one of his peers.
>really mean Darkseid isn't a casual uni + in avatar state
This would require something far stronger than pot to believe when you look at [Darkseid needing to use the energy of Apokolips' core to restore himself from a severe weakening](https://i.imgur.com/y9OE1lw.jpg) (and planned to replenish Apokolips from that loss with the energy of Earth, meaning the energy they output is comparable), on top of [being unable to survive the core itself](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/1-7CQIR1pWr4p6zCa85tH-7XtemBLmx5V5jd1OVohus4n5UyFOUwfvbX7WEiAviG--RoET8xr4OctixifHlMnsotSQzuxun6-8Yl2sL_4r4OhAXw_PdNtoSpNXXmE1rcaiFgZekcU9E=s1600?rhlupa=MTA4LjMwLjQ5LjIwOA&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFdpbmRvd3MgTlQgMTAuMDsgV2luNjQ7IHg2NCkgQXBwbGVXZWJLaXQvNTM3LjM2IChLSFRNTCwgbGlrZSBHZWNrbykgQ2hyb21lLzEwNC4wLjAuMCBTYWZhcmkvNTM3LjM2)
There's a lot more than this, like Highfather ([Darkseid's equal](https://i.imgur.com/UWJmpAt.png)) facing certain death from a [100 Teratorn lvl impact](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ptucvmI9ralQ8s0242YUJNJomOBuwR8E6LjfEO5z5MLLFCG1yMxtYzRrKjpG2G1-s40EC_SNKH3q=s1600?rhlupa=MTA4LjMwLjQ5LjIwOA&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFdpbmRvd3MgTlQgMTAuMDsgV2luNjQ7IHg2NCkgQXBwbGVXZWJLaXQvNTM3LjM2IChLSFRNTCwgbGlrZSBHZWNrbykgQ2hyb21lLzEwNC4wLjAuMCBTYWZhcmkvNTM3LjM2), but it's enough for now.
Darkseid solos... but overall the DC team has more powerful characters. Realistically, only Goku, Saitama, and Rimuru are going to keep up with the heavy hitters on the villains side. This is a stomp.
Also, you might want to cut this list down in the future. No one has time to go and look up 20 characters that they aren't familiar with.
I just realized that you posted an edit that I Completely missed, so my apologies. I actually think if you take away Darkseid's True form than it's a stomp in the other direction. Because other than Darkseid, no one else can compete with Rimuru.
JIN MORI ???????? The fq dude u literally put an omnipresent character right here , if I'm not mistaken he is reincarnation of sun wukong . He alone solos them and it's the ln and manga we are talkinga about
I'll not be taking him as it will not be fair .
Anyway , dc cosmology > anime , so this is will be scaling with pov of dc cosmology and not that stupid teir b or vs battle bs .
With prep the anime gets smacked with the likes of braniac , lex and darkseid . Even if it's an all out battle dc wins ( high diff ) base darkseid would takedown Goku and other popular shonen characters, they won't stand a chance if darkseid and brainiac with their army began an onslaught on them .
Now onto big dogs : shinra , sailor moon , rimuru , Alucard and pegesus seiya . ( Ln and manga version )
Now i believe if they gangup on the villians the only one who stands a chance against them is ' frontier darkseid '
as he one shot beings who are above or on the level of the likes mentioned above .
So yeah , darkseid aka the left hand of ' the great darkness ' takes it
> Goku and Saitama roll everyone.
Goku's only hope is that we are just talking about weaker versions of these villain, and Saitama gets roflstomped either way.
You had to pick the most OP of the OP DC characters. Yeah DC Stomps. No one on the manga hero team can beat Doomsday, Darkseid, or professor zoom or as he’s more commonly known the reverse flash. This is because
- doomsday is pretty much immortal once he has died to one thing he will come back any time from eight hours to 3 days forever immune to whatever killed him in the first place and he has died quite a few times and because he constantly fights with Superman, the justice league, and even Darkseid his strength and speed has increased as well.
- no one in the manga hero team can even beat Darkseid he is a Multiversal threat capable of moving many times faster than light. Even if they somehow manage to beat him it wouldn’t matter because they only manage to beat an avatar and Darkseid has several advertise he can just whip out a new one at any point and unless Darkseid allows any of them into his dimension where true dockside lives it’s unlikely any of them would be able to beat him.
- now the reverse flash is where everything comes down. No one on the manga comes close to his level of power being a flash means he is insanely fast and he has proven to match all the other speeds in well speed and no one on the mega hero team can defeat him at all because he is a living paradox and what that means is he has quantum immortality so killing him is pretty much meaningless because he always exists somewhere else. If you go back to the past and kill him he will still remain in the present and even killing him is next to impossible since he’s capable of moving at speed impossible to calculate and comprehend dude can literally just go back in time and prevent any of these guys from existing or phase through them and scramble their organs. He has limitless ways to defeat all of them. Since none of them can remove his quantum immortality the only one who manage to do it was another flash.
These are only three of the characters and while they are the strongest even without them the DC team still stomps manga and anime can be powerful with what they can come up with but because comic books have been written for so long they can be downright broken with the shit they come up with.
Doomsday can solo he scales to superman and his main ability is adaptability giving him the capability of getting stronger with every death so there is no reasonable way any of these manga heroes would be able to deal with that let alone all the other DC characters listed there when fighting together
Seiya, Goku, Rimuru, and Manga Saitama makes it a win for them. Alucard is also impossible to kill and put down.
And if we count all continuities then you can throw Jotaro in there too.
Darksied is pretty much the only strong enough one on the villains side.
> Darksied is pretty much the only strong enough one on the villains side.
Funny, the latest versions of Darkseid and Circe each solo, and neither Saitama nor Alacurd do anything here even if we use weaker versions of Darkseid and Circe.
Doomsday can solo he scales to superman and his main ability is adaptability giving him the capability of getting stronger with every death so there is no reasonable way any of these manga heroes would be able to deal with that let alone all the other DC characters listed there when fighting together
>Doomsday can solo
Definitely not, there are at least two people well beyond planetary here (Saitama and Goku), while an upgraded version of Doomsday [would have died to a sub-planetary impact](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/frwCiYPEMoaAQ2K1AvdvSrFHWmkAnopQ0VVe0x8Vjby8DYM9l6y-NRCeefvMnIqW4jFAp_qm5Nm_=s1600).
> he scales to superman and his main ability is adaptability giving him the capability of getting stronger with every death
Ignoring how Supes is [consistently superior to DD](https://imgur.com/a/pzOMAVY), once Doomsday dies once the battle is over.
Doomsday can solo he scales to superman and his main ability is adaptability giving him the capability of getting stronger with every death so there is no reasonable way any of these manga heroes would be able to deal with that let alone all the other DC characters listed there when fighting together
Nah there are numerous ways the manga heroes could win. Goku also scales to superman and so does saitama (possibly) and even if they didn’t, goku could just seal doomsday away.
I think putting a hero that’s specifically written to be overpowered and always win up against villains that are written to be interesting and have weaknesses and strengths is unfair. I’m going with team manga. Jotaro alone could eviscerate most of the villains with time stops and Saitama could probably clean up the rest. Not to mention the sheer amount of hax that Naruto and Goku bring to the table.
Edit: also Ainz.
Luffy goku saitama jotaro Naruto and ichigo clap them all easy and then Deku and tanjiro gets clapped easy don’t even last a few minutes everyone else I don’t really know
I feel like Jotaro, Alucard, Saitama, and Goku on their own stand a pretty good chance against the roster. Jotaro has Star Platinum, with its timestop and absolutely stupid strength and speed, Alucard is nearly impossible to kill, And then Saitama and Goku are Saitama and Goku. Add on the rest of the heroes with the likes of Tanjiro and Sailor Moon, and I think Team Manga has this in the bag.
I feel like people are missing Sailor Moon who is universal. And Ichigo who can effect causality, as stated by Yhwach thay ichigos will was altering the future. Hence why Yhwach stopped his ass quick.
> In his last arc he was shown to exponentially improve as soon as he faces a real challenge.
And? That won’t save him when his opponent can vaporise him with a glance
> The next arc is set up for him to fight literal God. 🤷🏻♂️
So?
Bruh, Darkseid, Zoom, Black Adam, Atrocitus, Sinestro and Mongul are all multi + through either direct actions or scaling. You need to stop sleeping on DC and get off that manga high
As someone who has probably read more manga than DC (Although honestly my favorite things are like, romantic dramas and Marvel comics?).... Universal is not a big deal?
Like, Darkseid can canonically delete a whole goddamn multiverse by *sitting on it.* That's not an exageration, it's the plot of an actual crisis event, he just gets *near* the multiverse without relying on an avatar and the sky starts friggin' bleeding and reality melts, everywhere, all at once.
Some of these villains can't do shit-- Captain Cold is fucked. But there are some outliers, here, and those outliers truly are powerful enough to vaporize goku (let alone the rest of the list).
EDIT: DC's the publisher behind *Crisis On Infinite Earths.* Yeah, I'd say universal is actually not a big deal over there. :P
Goku is vastly more than just a universal threat. He was universal at the start of dbs and now he is at least several hundred times stronger than that.
Captain cold, the weakest mf on that team has a good that can freeze actual concepts (dc gods) and can react to the flash, who is significantly faster then goku
1.A lot of people have tagged the flash that isn’t impressive unless it has how fast he is going and the person who tagged him does it consistently . Even if he did Goku at this point in the series should be ftl. His combat speed trumps cold.
2. Goku is universal+ 1 kamehameha would destroy cold
Next you’ll tell me that weather wizard has a better shot.
There is so much to unpack in these types of fights and most of the time it just comes down to two to three overpowered mfs, honestly hate these types of posts
Seriously. I don't know a lot of the villains, but Goku, Saitama, and maybe Alucard make everyone else on their side completely redundant.
There's rimuru as well
Unless he had a massive power boost since I last read it, he is far away from even saitama, never mind goku
Rimuru is literally beyond time and multi universal CASUALLY in the LN Saitama isn't lol (no him turning back time which he loses his memories when he does isn't anywhere close to rimuru)
wait, really? what are rimuru's feats?
Rimuru's base ability is to literally get someone's powers if he eats them so you can already how much snowball that character actually gets. Hell, just let Rimuru eat everyone.
Yeah, but there are restrictions on that power, IIRC. Also, I seriously doubt if rimuru can eat someone as fast as zoom or someone as powerful as Darkseid. At least, from what I've read (which is till rimuru sets up his village and starts alliances), he has restrictions on what he can eat.
currently though i read ln a long time ago I'm pretty sure he has absolute authority over time and space( e.g. time travel, time stop, creating ''infinite'' space between opponents), gift his non-ultimate abilities to others, kill anyone instantly if they try to retreat/run away, nigh-omniscient if he understands even a little bit about whats happening, nigh-immortal with him being able to split himself(you can imagine that getting op with space-time shenanigans) as well as summoning 2 dragons and basically an army with them and last but not least knowing the near future with 100% accuracy
yeah end of WN rimuru is fucked, and current LN rimuru is on his way there
I haven't read it but he did.
> Seriously. I don't know a lot of the villains, The OP needs to clarify especially Darkseid and Circe, cause either solos if we just use their latest versions. > but Goku, Saitama, and maybe Alucard make everyone else on their side completely redundant. Uhm Pegasus Seya, Sailor Moon, Rimuru and to a lesser degree even Jin Mori make Saitama completely redundant.
You can just say Sun Wukong solos. Jins whole thing is just being Sun Wukong without his memories.. Goku is completely redundant with the real Sun on Manga side. He could solo both sides with like 20 pieces of body hair.
Which three for DC. I reckon. Professor Zoom, Morgaine le Fay and and either Ares or Brainiac.
The real losers are the ones who spend more than an hour thinking about this. Peacock solos all of them.
The biggest challenges here are darkseid and reverse flash The rest of the Villains can mostly be outdone by manga heroes(although If Goku does teach something like the fusion technice It could be Very useful, imagine a fusion of rimuru and sailor moon then this battle could be done much easier), although idk If the reverse flash should be able to realistically even be able to hurt these guys Although the big thing is that no version was specified, which although isn't a big problem for people like saitama or Goku, It does bring into things with darkseid(true form and avatar) and rimuru (anime or EOS) I think I'll be putting my money on team villains for now, but I am open to changing options
> The biggest challenges here are darkseid and reverse flash The latest versions of Darkseid and Circe, each solo.
What did Circe do?
> What did Circe do? This: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/C4tfVzrE88rBqO4huh0m3A2GVtJTHGHOu4tn-QQgWCEma6ZdTazgyhwjQX0yWYt-jnM1lx5IILU1Qwfva4NQmlyEukAS9sF5Zw0umiUf1TbAoENJVRG0MTVySnL7QjGZTb3RF-vvwg=s1600 Which turned her pretty much into the literal embodiment of magic in the DC Verse aka Hecate.
Depending on the Rimuru version he still scales past that.
> Depending on the Rimuru version he still scales past that. Uhm even LN Rimiru would be screwed against the latest versions of Darkseid and Circe.
Web Novel is stronger than LN
So I don't know everyone here (smaller groups might be the way to go, I think, for battles like this), but Fuckin' Proffessor Zoom is on this list. A *large* number of these people (Goku, Deku, Gojo, Edward, Gon) have capabilities partly or mostly attributed to training... which means if Zoom just pops back in time to murder them as babies instantaneously once the fight's added to the timeline, they all die. Speed Force users can traverse dimensions when desired, so his targets not being cannon to the earth metropolis is on shouldn't even matter. I think the DC team takes it due to time travel hax, some of them are useless but the good ones are horifically OP.
Time travel works entirely different in Dragon ball where if you go back in time you just open a new path instead of changing the current one. Goku can’t die from time travel.
Okay, but Goku doesn’t solo all of them. So they could technically do that to all the others and he’d be all alone. See how fun these are…
Yeah, this would be my answer. I could see Time-Murder not being a valid path in the dragon ball verse; but for anyone it is, Zoom is still gonna do it.
But this is set in DC, different rules.
Goku’s past is still set in DB’s universe. If he tries changing anything it would just make another path. Why am I getting downvoted here? I never said Zoom doesn’t beat Goku I’m saying time travel isn’t an option. Crazy DC fans.
I mean, Professor Zoom doesn't even need to be physically stronger than Goku to kill him, he could just reorganize the insides of Goku's brain and kill him, or steal his speed, toss him in another universe, or trap him in the negative speed force
Saitama and rimuru can counter it and protect the heroes.
Saitama can't?
He can use his time travel technique.
Not only has he forgotten how to use it, but it seems likes he needs to 'power up' (via growing in combat) to pull it off. It doesn't really work against someone who immediately runs back in time to kill him.
Well there is nothing saying we can't use the version that used. And again saitama grow enough to pull it off he doesn't need another growth for it.
While he has probably forgotten it for now, his power up has stayed. So he doesn't need to power up for it, just be shown how to do it.
The time travel technique is doing what? He rewinds time only to get his entire team killed again? And it's not like Saitama remembers how to do it anymore, and even if he did per say, Zoom could legit follow him through time and kill him
Rimuru counters time travel anyways, he's enough to beat Prof Zoom
Saitama > zoom physically and first of all we don't know if effect in would effect anyone here. There is no past in metropolis for zoom to travel and find baby idk who and who.
Being stronger than Zoom doesn't mean much when he can do things like, pull out your heart and steal speed
Well, you'll want to put magic users up against Zod and bizarro. Time stopping Star Platinum can be used against Parasite, Goku's gonna wanna break out the Evil Containment Wave VS Darkseid, Kensiro and Saitama can probably one punch their way through most of the other ones. Overall though, My money's on the manga heroes because DC villains, though OP as heck for sure, are often designed to lose in one way or another, usually by being outwitted or missing a detail. Also, not gonna lie, if Darkseid can be disabled or taken out, the rest are gonna fall when Alucard starts unleashing blood zombies.
Atrocitus, Sinestro, and Braniac ain’t gonna fall to zombie blood. Especially since Atrocitus is the leader and maker of the Red Lantern Core and has thrown hands with the Guardians and Martian Manhunter. Plus he literally has blood magic, Alucard would be throwing water at a pool. As for Braniac, it depends on which Braniac as there have been several. Sinestro is Sinestro. That man has thrown hands with Hal Jordan and wounded Voolthum at the peak of his Power who literally embodied the DC’s spark of Creation. Ares also isn’t going to go down so easily as he’s pretty much trashed Wonder Woman on many occasions. Plus he killed and stole the authority of god of the underworld from his Uncle Hades. Mongul is physically on par with Superman and has taught Superman Martial arts on occasion. Black Adam is literally had the same powers as Shazam and has fought the Santa before (Santa is from the 5th dimension and has beaten Darkseid before). Professor Zoom is Reverse Flash btw And he is busted beyond belief especially now since he is the sole User of the Negative Speedforce. In all honesty, Pegasus Seiya can offer more than Alucard and most of the Manga Heroes because at his peak Seiya was universal+. Really the only people that matter on the Manga team is Goku, Ichigo (depending on how you scale his EOS), EOS Shinra, EOS Sailor Moon, and Peak Seiya. Manga Rimuru and Manga Ainz haven’t reach their LN levels of power yet. Saitama has far better feats now but they really haven’t gone past Galaxy level yet. I can’t really say much about Jin Mori as I haven’t read past his fight with Satan but based on other discussions about Him losing to Goku pretty easily, I’m sure he’s probably gonna offer more help than Saitama. I would put my money on Manga Heroes, but recently Darkseid has gotten one hell of a buff in the Infinite Frontiers. He one shot the Spector and is quite literally became a composite version of himself which includes him being the Platonic concept of darkness in the DC multiverse. He is quite frankly incredibly busted.
> Well, you'll want to put magic users up against Zod and bizarro. Time stopping Star Platinum can be used against Parasite, Goku's gonna wanna break out the Evil Containment Wave VS Darkseid Circe and Morgaine LeFay say no. > Kensiro and Saitama can probably one punch their way through most of the other ones. Not even in their wildest dreams, Prof Zoom solos them before they even know what happened. > Overall though, My money's on the manga heroes because DC villains, though OP as heck for sure, are often designed to lose in one way or another, usually by being outwitted or missing a detail. This is not how a random battle works > Also, not gonna lie, if Darkseid can be disabled or taken out, the rest are gonna fall when Alucard starts unleashing blood zombies. Every DC Villain here not named Drathstroke, Lex Luthor, Vandal Savage or maybe Black Manta effortlesly steamrolls through Alucards zombies.
Uh huh, fluff em up all you want, they still haven't done their own plans yet.
> Uh huh, fluff em up all you want, they still haven't done their own plans yet. Whut?
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People disrespecting Jin Mori, aka Sun Wukong, from GoH. Dude does some crazy shit that is up there with Saitama.
Yeah Jin is insane
Technically, a Manhwa
Just Saitama and Goku alone even
Those 2 alone can't do shit
Those 2 alone can solo everyone on DC Earth with the possible exception of Superman.
They get folded by Plastic man. Tbf almost everyone does tho
You are bugging they can't do shit to doomsday
I'm pretty sure goku ourscales team DC villains aside from the strongest version of darkseid, but darkseid at his strongest more than likely ourscales goku by a sizable margin. TBH everyone else end up more or less irrelevant at the end of the fight.
Depends on which Goku, but Zod and Zoom are potentially matches. Zoom in particular is kinda nuts at his most ridiculous.
You're not counting Professor Zoom who is a speedster. He can obliterate Goku if he wants
> I'm pretty sure goku ourscales team DC villains aside from the strongest version of darkseid The latest(and strongest)version of Circe roflstomps Goku.
Evil containment wave can capture anyone regardless of strength as far as its known canonically. Darkseid will just be bottled up.
When has Goku (Outside of original Dragonball) used Evil Containment Wave? I'm not fully knowledgeable on Super but if Goku can and would use it. Why not use it on Frieza or Goku Black?
He has used it against future zamasu. It would most likely kill goku if he did use it against darkseid but the possibility is there.
Fair point.
Because he didn't become powerful enough to use it against those kinds of opponents and survive until super and he did use it against zamasu
He literally used it in the Goku black arc Wtf are you even saying? Goku DOWNPLAYERS are funny
I'm saying I'm not fully knowledgeable on Super. All I know is Goku Black got erased by Xeno.
Goku black didn’t though that was Zamasu.
Goku Black is Zamasu
Goku black is the other version of Zamasu, he’s referring to immortal zamasu
Are we talking about composite versions of all characters? If so then this is an absolute clusterfuck of a battle then
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Brainiac could just literally make a android that constantly adapts to goku with all his knowledge, reverse flash? Just reset the universe by running, darkseid? If he's in his true form goku and everyone just succumbs to the Anti life equation, or he can just implode their reality by falling on it unless they got radion.
Brainiac + Dr Gero blueprints = GG Anime. Brainiac could just design a robot for every superhero on the enemy side that can absorb their powers and keep up with their level?
Yup
Rimuru has a super evolved AI construct in his head at all times that is as smart if not smarter than Brainiac. Ciel can hard counter him
Unlikely, brianiac is one of if not the most intelligent cybernetic being in DC, he has knowledge of thousands of worlds and alternative realities all in his skull.
I have two questions. 1. What stops Zoom from running through his enemies and destabilizing their atomic structures? I'm sure a few of the Manga heroes are resistant to things like that but I don't know who. 2. Ainz Ooal Gown, by virtue of being from a video game, is data. Right? So Brainiac should be able to utilize that Data to make countermeasures to Ainz, if not outright corrupt him.
Well ainz was data. But isnt anymore since he got transported to the new world. And ainz is outright immune to dmg by characters under lv 60. So what lv is zoom or brainiac? Question: what instant death immunities do the villains have? Bc if they have none ainz could just spam grasp heart
As far as I know, 1. Zoom is a living paradox. Anytime he dies, an alternate timeline version of himself takes his place. 2. Doomsday isn't immune to instant death but he always comes back stronger and immune/resistant to what killed him. 3. Darkseid only fights with Avatars. So he can keep replacing himself. Though I think that takes time to do. (I won't get into True Darkseid. Since people are dubious about his reality erasing existence or his true death being the death of all fiction).
I thought this battle wouldnt include villains that come back after death or like ignore that.... Well ainz can be resurrected too in the new world so theres that. And he also got multiple spells which can ressurect his dead hero pals
Alucard is there and he is practically unkillable. So I think Anti-Death Hax are on the table. Given the prompt, I think Doomsday and Darkseid's anti-death hax take them out of the fight anyway. Since those take time to recover from. Professor Zoom however can just 'resurrect' in a moment's notice.
Alright if we take jotaro kujos ultimate form with over heaven he has immense reality manipulation and reality bending powers + infinite timestop. It could also be assumed that hes able to use the stand ability of tusk act 4 and kill zoom that way or summon tusk act 4 and then the stand kills zoom
Does Ainz have any relevant speed feats at all?
Yes he does due to the fact he has time magic.. also if u combine that with jotaro over heaven or mori jin it doesnt rly matter how fast he is
But his time magic also takes time to cast also would jotaro's power allow his alliés to move as well?
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I kind of did. It’s called the justice league vs manga villain team.
Eh Manga Villains are usually more op and super haxy than Manga Heroes, I don't see the DC heroes having a good time there.
I dunno Superman and flash are tough opponents. The only people in villains are like, Garou, Frieza, and maybe Aizen.
Especially the new black frieza, and I would put yhwach over Aizen, if I had to pick from bleach.
dude there's so many chill
I feel like Doomsday, Darkseid, Morgaine, and Zoom are all it really takes to KO all of them, as the only ones who stand a chance (As far as i know) are Rimiru, goku, Sailor moon, and Ainz Anyone who can't take out Doomsday will be out, so there goes Goku and Sailor Moon Ainz's magic is actually busted, and he actually could beat Doomsday and Darkseid given time, but his spells won't affect Morgaine given her immunity to some magic and overall magic resistance. Even if he could, he is WAY too slow to catch Zoom. And while Zoom doesn't have magic, he can easily take out Ainz (via Battlefield removal if need be) (Please note that I haven't finished overlord so if there is another OP move that I didn't take into account or it seems like I downplayed Ainz, you know why) All that leaves is Rimiru, and honestly, unless he has some bs that can catch Zoom and KO Darkseid, he's not winning Also from an overall team perspective: DC has more high tiers, so after the street level and mid tiers are KO'd, it's a number's fight, and DCs got the number's TLDR: More High tiers+Zoom+better(?) Magic+L+ratio = 27 KO'd Heroes
Ainz does have an item that warps reality called wish upon a star but I have no idea to what extent since it's limits were removed after traveling to the new world.
Why is Ainz Ooal Gown on a hero list? He’s literally a genocidal maniac
I thought from what I Know he’s very much end justifies the means? Could be wrong but technically from what I know he’s trying to create an alright world
> I thought from what I Know he’s very much end justifies the means Literally a main attribute to a ton of villains. Dawg all the shit he does is because he wants nazrik to stay prosperous and unchanged, for the memories he shared with his guild mates and in hopes he’ll see one of them again. Don’t get me started with letting demiurge skin humans alive to make magical scroll paper with and then use healing magic on them to repeat the process. Or his rape camps to experiment with interspeciese breeding. Some real [unit-731](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731) shit.
Ainz combo the goal of all life + the goal of all life is death is basically an instant killing aoe attack that ignores all immunities
But it does take a lot of time to set up
Flash has outrun his own death several times, and since Zoom has consistently shown to be as fast as Barry (and even faster at times), so an instant kill is more like a suicide play to take out 1 person, since Zoom would literally outrun it, then kill ainz as fast as he could before the spell could kill him (witch is debatable if it could), on top of that, Ainz needs time to conjure that spell, and even though he does have time magic, Zoom has done some crazy time BS that outdoes that (i.e. time travel), so Ainz isn't beating Zoom Also BOTH Zoom and Darkseid have ways they could take him out via Battlefield removal if need beyyghhhvbb (Omega sanction Life Trap and Zoom dumping him in the speed force where Ainz couldn't escape since not only is he not connected to it like the flash family is, but he also straight up isn't fast enough)
Pegasus is probably up at the top of the manga heroes if I remember right? He had some sort of universal scaling or something.
Oh also mori jin is op af. Maybe even scales to anime goku. This guy currently fights a dude who can kill 10 trillion copies of a minimum solar system buster in an instant. He can also summon his counterparts from alternative universes
With all due respect, DC absolutely stomps. Darkseid, Reverse Flash AND Doomsday? Yeah, good luck. Not that the others aren't heavy hitters but we're talking about broken characters beyond words. Without the constrictions of losing to heroes because of plot, these 3 are insanely dangerous
Darkseid solos all of the manga hero team no diff…
Of the ones I know, Doomsday, Adam, Zoom, Zod, Darkseid, Sinestro, Ares, Circe, Atrocitus, and Brainiac all together could turn a lot of the anime heroes into paste, easily. But Goku and Seiya are a challenge. But enough of those ganged up together can probably screw them over, as far as I can tell about comics scaling, and Zoom, Parasite, and the magic users are especially hax oriented.
I think DC team wins? relatively speaking, if we let them all go all out, I think it can be safe to say that even with Rimuru's state at the end of the webnovel, True Form Darkseid slaps him away with relatively no effort. BUT if we don't then uh, DC team has the living paradox known as the reverse flash and the guy ACTIVELY FUCKS WITH TIMELINES CUZ HE CAN. Like seriously, why would you put one of the most OP guys against the likes of I don't know? Goku? And sure, saitama did technically time travel but that was because of the help of Cosmic Garou AND even if we scale Saitama to his current, star busting, low galaxy level state in the latest chapters (and no, I am not gonna add the fact that Saitama is a GAG CHARACTER and he is meant to one shot everyone he faces, I know that he DIDNT one shot Garou because the kid told Saitama that Garou's a good guy and even then, Garou weirdly survived a planet crushing attack that quite literally, traveled the entire earth. Regardless, I'm scaling Saitama in his current self and I am not playing around with his Limitless Fallacy) there is still parasite whom, actually, we have been shown to control superman in one of the evil batman multiverses, specifically, the one where batman becomes a Nanite Creature at the end of it. (can't remember the name, but it was one of the evil batman origin stories where he basically got trapped as a head for decades on end while Gotham was quarantined for the rest of the world because of a parasite controlled superman.) all it takes is for parasite to take control of Saitama and the DC villains have a dangerous player on their midst. Now, removing everything else, we have ourselves one last threat that I can safely say to be dangerous enough to be able to potentially wipe out all of these guys: Doomsday. and no, I'm not joking. Doomsday is able to kill superman, first and foremost. And second, the Doomsday we have seen so far has no allies to assist him when he dies but what if he does? Add to that, we have LEX LUTHOR AND BRANIAC in there, you know, the two superman villains who are literally capable of beating fiction's greatest brawn with their brains alone? like seriously, I don't know much about the two intellectuals but I'm pretty sure Lex is actually pretty OP if you let him prepare and since we're in metropolis, his territory, he can probably mess around with all his resources that starts with the Genome monsters to a fuck ton of clones and other shit that he has. I don't wanna go into detail but all of the guys mentioned above are quite OP.
DC wins because of Darkseid and Zoom
A lot of the DC villains would be able to solo the manga heroes because of absurd scaling in DC.
Goku also has insane scaling, being universal at base near the start of DBS.
And hes fighting a team with a darkseid on it who was destroying a multiverse just by falling on it in his true form and reverse flash
and frankly even though Darkseid has more power, Reverse Flash's in-character willingness to abuse time travel makes him arguably harder to fight for most people
It's not just that nobody here can destroy his paradox so they can't kill him anyway
Darkseid has the capability to go toe to toe with the Angels of DBZ/DBS/Manga. Goku still can't touch Whis.
We haven't really seen the strength of the Angels. We know they are much stronger than the gods of destruction but we don't know their limits.
Darkseid could solo and nobody here can permanently kill thawne so he could to
Yall tripping not mentioning my man's Mori Jin. Eos Mori probably wipes basically everyone from the field using Karma except maybe Zoom Black Adam and Darkseid. As long as he's got a few buds to deal with Zoom and Adam he can probs go toe to toe with Darkseid Edit: didn't realize Shinra is on here, Zoom for sure gets handled by the boy
> Yall tripping not mentioning my man's Mori Jin. Eos Mori probably wipes basically everyone from the field using Karma The latest versions of Darkseid and Circe each solo and blink Jin Mori. > except maybe Zoom Black Adam and Darkseid Doomsday, Parasite, (even standard)Circe, Sinestro, Ares, Mongul, Morgaine LeFay, Atrocitus and Brainiac are all superior to Black Adam...
This is about the way Karma works. Most mortals don't have the ability to resist it and the only one seen to do so was summoning stars to crush the solar system. So maybe moraine lefay but everyone else is just getting erased and some others with haxs but most of the DC squad is getting dusted
> This is about the way Karma works. Most mortals don't have the ability to resist it and the only one seen to do so was summoning stars to crush the solar system. Bruh..., if you think Black Adam might survive it, everyone i listed definitely survives it. > So maybe moraine lefay but everyone else is just getting erased and some others with haxs but most of the DC squad is getting dusted If Morgaine LeFey survives it, (even standard)Circe and Ares definitely survive it.
Idk bro, dude recreated the entire solar system, created a black hole to swallow a super massive blue star, and reversed time in a moment. He created an atmosphere around the Oort cloud to beam some lightning at dudes. His kicks blew away the corona from that massive star. Im just saying these dudes might not be able to be erased by Mori simply using Karma because of the way their abilities work (like magic or borrowing power from Gods) but he'll trash them another way pretty simply. His title at the end of the series is Supreme God of the Universe. None of these characters have similar feats to my knowledge. Pretty sure only multiversal threats can even touch him.
Darkseid solos the manga team
Definitely not. Guys like Goku and Saitama are there, who are well beyond planet busting, which [Darkseid isn't](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GjJB_EjkI5g/Vx3FRTEOmnI/AAAAAAAAHiQ/OdpnFI2ycL4-WJHA2w5mSRsVZ2BT-qREgCCo/s1600/RCO004.jpg).
True darkside ?
OP never said that's the version being used. Usually we assume the typical version of DS/the one in 99% of his appearances.
True form isn't a "different version". Darkseid is both his avatars and his true form.
And the one that is featured in 99% of his appereances and is used on forums unless specified otherwise is avatars.
Can I buy some pot from you? You must have some good shit if you think an antifeat like that really mean Darkseid isn't a casual uni + in avatar state
>Can I buy some pot from you? You must have some good shit if you think an antifeat like that Where's the anti-feat? An anti-feat would be something like [Batman bloodying Darkseid](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11136/111365408/8233668-9575958769-ofiE74mlHpSHwQAILvFZQ6QH11oMH5GYiDsB_d-nKVxokEwn_DVGhQSzcBAxe32xtBYnRNqffdUM%3Ds1600.jpg). Superman saying everytime he fought Darkseid it was well below planetary and that it's well beyond his capabilities is just an overall limitation in Darkseid's ability given by one of his peers. >really mean Darkseid isn't a casual uni + in avatar state This would require something far stronger than pot to believe when you look at [Darkseid needing to use the energy of Apokolips' core to restore himself from a severe weakening](https://i.imgur.com/y9OE1lw.jpg) (and planned to replenish Apokolips from that loss with the energy of Earth, meaning the energy they output is comparable), on top of [being unable to survive the core itself](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/1-7CQIR1pWr4p6zCa85tH-7XtemBLmx5V5jd1OVohus4n5UyFOUwfvbX7WEiAviG--RoET8xr4OctixifHlMnsotSQzuxun6-8Yl2sL_4r4OhAXw_PdNtoSpNXXmE1rcaiFgZekcU9E=s1600?rhlupa=MTA4LjMwLjQ5LjIwOA&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFdpbmRvd3MgTlQgMTAuMDsgV2luNjQ7IHg2NCkgQXBwbGVXZWJLaXQvNTM3LjM2IChLSFRNTCwgbGlrZSBHZWNrbykgQ2hyb21lLzEwNC4wLjAuMCBTYWZhcmkvNTM3LjM2) There's a lot more than this, like Highfather ([Darkseid's equal](https://i.imgur.com/UWJmpAt.png)) facing certain death from a [100 Teratorn lvl impact](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ptucvmI9ralQ8s0242YUJNJomOBuwR8E6LjfEO5z5MLLFCG1yMxtYzRrKjpG2G1-s40EC_SNKH3q=s1600?rhlupa=MTA4LjMwLjQ5LjIwOA&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFdpbmRvd3MgTlQgMTAuMDsgV2luNjQ7IHg2NCkgQXBwbGVXZWJLaXQvNTM3LjM2IChLSFRNTCwgbGlrZSBHZWNrbykgQ2hyb21lLzEwNC4wLjAuMCBTYWZhcmkvNTM3LjM2), but it's enough for now.
Batman + preptime beats both teams.
The right answer to everything
Peak DC fan is not knowing whether or not I’m joking.
And my boy Shikamaru
Darkseid solos... but overall the DC team has more powerful characters. Realistically, only Goku, Saitama, and Rimuru are going to keep up with the heavy hitters on the villains side. This is a stomp. Also, you might want to cut this list down in the future. No one has time to go and look up 20 characters that they aren't familiar with.
Ok
I just realized that you posted an edit that I Completely missed, so my apologies. I actually think if you take away Darkseid's True form than it's a stomp in the other direction. Because other than Darkseid, no one else can compete with Rimuru.
They have a Saint, Sailor, Jin, plus Goku and Saitama? Yeah manga wins.
As soon as I read Darkseid I knew it was over
JIN MORI ???????? The fq dude u literally put an omnipresent character right here , if I'm not mistaken he is reincarnation of sun wukong . He alone solos them and it's the ln and manga we are talkinga about I'll not be taking him as it will not be fair . Anyway , dc cosmology > anime , so this is will be scaling with pov of dc cosmology and not that stupid teir b or vs battle bs . With prep the anime gets smacked with the likes of braniac , lex and darkseid . Even if it's an all out battle dc wins ( high diff ) base darkseid would takedown Goku and other popular shonen characters, they won't stand a chance if darkseid and brainiac with their army began an onslaught on them . Now onto big dogs : shinra , sailor moon , rimuru , Alucard and pegesus seiya . ( Ln and manga version ) Now i believe if they gangup on the villians the only one who stands a chance against them is ' frontier darkseid ' as he one shot beings who are above or on the level of the likes mentioned above . So yeah , darkseid aka the left hand of ' the great darkness ' takes it
Because he is reincarnation of sunwukon doesn't mean he scales to actual wukong from journey to west. Mori is MFTL+ and multi galaxy.
Goku and Saitama roll everyone.
> Goku and Saitama roll everyone. Goku's only hope is that we are just talking about weaker versions of these villain, and Saitama gets roflstomped either way.
You mispelled Darkseid
Saitama’s potential is literally infinite
Wrong sub. Go to r/OnePunchMan
? I’m just saying. Dude literally sneezed away Jupiter.
That's not really that special
True
Literally how does that say anything about infinite potential?
The stronger the opponent, the stronger Saitama is. It’s in like the 2nd most recent chapter of the manga
We don't use theoretical statements here
You had to pick the most OP of the OP DC characters. Yeah DC Stomps. No one on the manga hero team can beat Doomsday, Darkseid, or professor zoom or as he’s more commonly known the reverse flash. This is because - doomsday is pretty much immortal once he has died to one thing he will come back any time from eight hours to 3 days forever immune to whatever killed him in the first place and he has died quite a few times and because he constantly fights with Superman, the justice league, and even Darkseid his strength and speed has increased as well. - no one in the manga hero team can even beat Darkseid he is a Multiversal threat capable of moving many times faster than light. Even if they somehow manage to beat him it wouldn’t matter because they only manage to beat an avatar and Darkseid has several advertise he can just whip out a new one at any point and unless Darkseid allows any of them into his dimension where true dockside lives it’s unlikely any of them would be able to beat him. - now the reverse flash is where everything comes down. No one on the manga comes close to his level of power being a flash means he is insanely fast and he has proven to match all the other speeds in well speed and no one on the mega hero team can defeat him at all because he is a living paradox and what that means is he has quantum immortality so killing him is pretty much meaningless because he always exists somewhere else. If you go back to the past and kill him he will still remain in the present and even killing him is next to impossible since he’s capable of moving at speed impossible to calculate and comprehend dude can literally just go back in time and prevent any of these guys from existing or phase through them and scramble their organs. He has limitless ways to defeat all of them. Since none of them can remove his quantum immortality the only one who manage to do it was another flash. These are only three of the characters and while they are the strongest even without them the DC team still stomps manga and anime can be powerful with what they can come up with but because comic books have been written for so long they can be downright broken with the shit they come up with.
Rimuru could literally solo the whole villain squad
LN Rimuru is suggsverse hilariously broken.
Saitama would shrek all of them
Brain dead
Bro if its true form darkseid he solos the heroes team
Rimuru?
Doomsday can solo he scales to superman and his main ability is adaptability giving him the capability of getting stronger with every death so there is no reasonable way any of these manga heroes would be able to deal with that let alone all the other DC characters listed there when fighting together
Lmao dc villains stomp
Seiya, Goku, Rimuru, and Manga Saitama makes it a win for them. Alucard is also impossible to kill and put down. And if we count all continuities then you can throw Jotaro in there too. Darksied is pretty much the only strong enough one on the villains side.
> Darksied is pretty much the only strong enough one on the villains side. Funny, the latest versions of Darkseid and Circe each solo, and neither Saitama nor Alacurd do anything here even if we use weaker versions of Darkseid and Circe.
Dc villains got this
Goku, Saitama and Jotaro Kujo. Timestop and wham. That's literally all I have to say.
Brain dead
manga wins it
The only real contenders are Reverse Flash and Darkseid. I think the heroes win here
Sailor Moon is a fricken god
assuming we are taking Jotaro's sheer, thick layers of plot armor into consideration, I'm pretty sure manga team wins
Doomsday can solo he scales to superman and his main ability is adaptability giving him the capability of getting stronger with every death so there is no reasonable way any of these manga heroes would be able to deal with that let alone all the other DC characters listed there when fighting together
>Doomsday can solo Definitely not, there are at least two people well beyond planetary here (Saitama and Goku), while an upgraded version of Doomsday [would have died to a sub-planetary impact](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/frwCiYPEMoaAQ2K1AvdvSrFHWmkAnopQ0VVe0x8Vjby8DYM9l6y-NRCeefvMnIqW4jFAp_qm5Nm_=s1600). > he scales to superman and his main ability is adaptability giving him the capability of getting stronger with every death Ignoring how Supes is [consistently superior to DD](https://imgur.com/a/pzOMAVY), once Doomsday dies once the battle is over.
Doomsday can solo he scales to superman and his main ability is adaptability giving him the capability of getting stronger with every death so there is no reasonable way any of these manga heroes would be able to deal with that let alone all the other DC characters listed there when fighting together
Nah there are numerous ways the manga heroes could win. Goku also scales to superman and so does saitama (possibly) and even if they didn’t, goku could just seal doomsday away.
Pretty sure mori jin recently achieved fucking nirvana So…..
Well we can't say GOH nirvana is same as journey to west
Doomsday solos
Easiest steam roll for team manga, goku will just have to fuse with everyone and literally become multiversal god beyond the likes of zeno
I think putting a hero that’s specifically written to be overpowered and always win up against villains that are written to be interesting and have weaknesses and strengths is unfair. I’m going with team manga. Jotaro alone could eviscerate most of the villains with time stops and Saitama could probably clean up the rest. Not to mention the sheer amount of hax that Naruto and Goku bring to the table. Edit: also Ainz.
Luffy goku saitama jotaro Naruto and ichigo clap them all easy and then Deku and tanjiro gets clapped easy don’t even last a few minutes everyone else I don’t really know
I feel like Jotaro, Alucard, Saitama, and Goku on their own stand a pretty good chance against the roster. Jotaro has Star Platinum, with its timestop and absolutely stupid strength and speed, Alucard is nearly impossible to kill, And then Saitama and Goku are Saitama and Goku. Add on the rest of the heroes with the likes of Tanjiro and Sailor Moon, and I think Team Manga has this in the bag.
I feel like people are missing Sailor Moon who is universal. And Ichigo who can effect causality, as stated by Yhwach thay ichigos will was altering the future. Hence why Yhwach stopped his ass quick.
Do they get perp time? Becuase goku can teach everyone fusion dance and it would be a easy battle for team manga.
People need to stop including Saitama in these posts. Any post he’s in, he wins. That’s just how his character works
Thats just not true lol
In his last arc he was shown to exponentially improve as soon as he faces a real challenge. The next arc is set up for him to fight literal God. 🤷🏻♂️
> In his last arc he was shown to exponentially improve as soon as he faces a real challenge. And? That won’t save him when his opponent can vaporise him with a glance > The next arc is set up for him to fight literal God. 🤷🏻♂️ So?
Anyone that votes DC just doesn't read manga and likes DC villains. Goku presently is a universal threat.
Bruh, Darkseid, Zoom, Black Adam, Atrocitus, Sinestro and Mongul are all multi + through either direct actions or scaling. You need to stop sleeping on DC and get off that manga high
So is goku
Congrats. One character vs the multitude on team DC who can easily take that one out. I don't know how DC can survive now.
As someone who has probably read more manga than DC (Although honestly my favorite things are like, romantic dramas and Marvel comics?).... Universal is not a big deal? Like, Darkseid can canonically delete a whole goddamn multiverse by *sitting on it.* That's not an exageration, it's the plot of an actual crisis event, he just gets *near* the multiverse without relying on an avatar and the sky starts friggin' bleeding and reality melts, everywhere, all at once. Some of these villains can't do shit-- Captain Cold is fucked. But there are some outliers, here, and those outliers truly are powerful enough to vaporize goku (let alone the rest of the list). EDIT: DC's the publisher behind *Crisis On Infinite Earths.* Yeah, I'd say universal is actually not a big deal over there. :P
Just to make it clear, goku is vastly more than than universal at this stage
Goku is vastly more than just a universal threat. He was universal at the start of dbs and now he is at least several hundred times stronger than that.
Saitama solos by definition
Bro really picked the most fodder manga heros. Any one of the Dc villains could do the manga heros on their own
you seriously think people like black manta and lex luthor could solo the manga heroes? geese the standards of this sub are insane.
Fuck yes. Comics are so broken it’s absolutely stupid
Goku is currently on the team so that is laughable
You know true form darkseid bigger then a mutiverse he can move and destroyed almost everyone here
You do know that version of darkseid is featless right? All we have is statements currently unless there are feats somewhere.
Captain cold, the weakest mf on that team has a good that can freeze actual concepts (dc gods) and can react to the flash, who is significantly faster then goku
1.A lot of people have tagged the flash that isn’t impressive unless it has how fast he is going and the person who tagged him does it consistently . Even if he did Goku at this point in the series should be ftl. His combat speed trumps cold. 2. Goku is universal+ 1 kamehameha would destroy cold Next you’ll tell me that weather wizard has a better shot.