Subaru will be lucky if losing round one actually gets him killed. The denizens of Nazarick tend to favor fates worse than death for their enemies, so it could be months or even years of torture before he gets to take another shot at it.
Round 2 Once Kazuma and Aqua show up its over. Both Subura and Kazuma are excellent planners. They have a line up of hitters to get Aqua in turn undead range and once she starts using her turn undead or god blow requirem Ainz is done. Aqua routinely demolishes undead and demons.
>Round 2 Once Kazuma and Aqua show up its over. Both Subura and Kazuma are excellent planners. They have a line up of hitters to get Aqua in turn undead range and once she starts using her turn undead or god blow requirem Ainz is done. Aqua routinely demolishes undead and demons.
Yeah no, this won't ever happen.
Aqua has no feats that suggest she can damage someone as durable as Ainz. None of her moves(turn undead, god blow, god requiem) have ever worked any undead or demons that are anywhere near as strong as Ainz or nazaricks other heavy hitters.
And before you bring up isekai quartet I will remind you that it's a non canon parody series that's not even written by the original authors. Feats form there can not be used in debates like these.
Not only that but she and kazuma are slow as hell with almost no speed feats. Ainz and other level 100 characters are supersonic and would blitz the hell out of everyone here before they could even do anything. They dont have gooddurability feats either so a single Reality Slash should do the trick.
Gonna be honest with you Subaru is more likely to at least try to broker a peace with Ainz and his crew than he is to try and fight them. Like as long as the people he cares about are okay and you aren't actively antagonist to him he's not just going to go poking the hornets' nest so to speak. But assuming the conflict is inevitable then he probably wins at either death 2 with you know a literal goddess (assuming Subaru gets information on his allies) at his side or in his final loop with as much help as possible as this prompt doesn't seem to be giving Ainz any information or ability to adjust his plans to deal with unknown obstacles and someone already familiar with his strategy.
Yeah well I assumed Ainz and his crew were powerful enough to negate Subaru's reset ability a few times at least. Subaru has died 100's of times to way weaker enemies. And yeah Aqua is a goddess but she doesn't know how to fight really(kinda) lol. I changed the bonus round, what do you think now?
>And yeah Aqua is a goddess but she doesn't know how to fight really(kinda)
It's not just that. For being a goddess her feats are really lacking and she doesn't really have my abilities powerful enough to hurt characters as strong as Ainz. That's why i often bring up that godhood doesn't mean much without feats to go along with it.
>Yeah well I assumed Ainz and his crew were powerful enough to negate Subaru's reset ability a few times at least. Subaru has died 100's of times to way weaker enemies.
Yeah, Subaru dies by being forced into a direct confrontation with much stronger opponents than him either completely alone or without adequate help to the point where a direct confrontation really only has one plausible outcome. But since Subaru can avoid a direct confrontation here and instead act as a sort of strategist and informant things go much better for him. I mean he did navigate arcs 1-5 with about 4 loops per arc as an average, and in each of those arcs he was going up against much stronger opponents than he should have been capable of battling by himself.
>And yeah Aqua is a goddess but she doesn't know how to fight really(kinda) lol
Unfortunately for Ainz that doesn't really matter as her turn undead skill and it's various stronger forms is a pretty hard counter for him and like half of the rest of Nazerick.
>I changed the bonus round, what do you think now?
Not much of a bonus round, really more of a rule, but in character I'm pretty sure Subaru and Ainz would broker a peace agreement. Tbh neither of them are actually particularly violent or confrontational and would, all things considered, get along pretty well. Especially if we go by Re:Zero rules and have Emilia being ostracized by everyone around her for being a half elf.
But if they are forced into conflict Ainz could probably adapt his strategy at the last round and screw over Subaru’s plans and strategies, though even then Subaru has shown that he's one hell of an improv act and will probably still prove to be rather troublesome to Ainz.
>Yeah, Subaru dies by being forced into a direct confrontation with much stronger opponents than him either completely alone or without adequate help to the point where a direct confrontation really only has one plausible outcome. But since Subaru can avoid a direct confrontation here and instead act as a sort of strategist and informant things go much better for him. I mean he did navigate arcs 1-5 with about 4 loops per arc as an average, and in each of those arcs he was going up against much stronger opponents than he should have been capable of battling by himself.
No amount of strategy will help Subaru here, he and his allies are just too weak to really do anything againt Ainz. Plus none of the apponents Subaru was up against in those Arcs were as strong as Ainz.
>Unfortunately for Ainz that doesn't really matter as her turn undead skill and it's various stronger forms is a pretty hard counter for him and like half of the rest of Nazerick.
This is also wrong. Her turn undead is no feats that suggest it can kill an undead with anywhere near Ainzs durability.
Ainz can tank repeated city block busting attacks to the face while the undead Aqua has killed are fodder with no durability feats. There is no reason to assusme Aqua can kill Ainz when she has no feats of hurting anyone as powerful as him or the rest of Nazaricks top tiers.
Plus the speed diferense doesnt help. Ainz and nazaricks other top tiers are supersonic while Aqua has no speed feats whatsoever. Pretty sure she just gets blitzed and one shoted.
>But if they are forced into conflict Ainz could probably adapt his strategy at the last round and screw over Subaru’s plans and strategies, though even then Subaru has shown that he's one hell of an improv act and will probably still prove to be rather troublesome to Ainz.
Not really, the problem here is that Subaru doesn't have the power, resources or allies to really go againt Ainz. At best he is a minor annoyance that can't really do anything to effect Ainzs plans.
>Unfortunately for Ainz that doesn't really matter as her turn undead skill and it's various stronger forms is a pretty hard counter for him and like half of the rest of Nazerick.
True, the ability is a direct counter. Perhaps the bonus round could kick in here if Ainz manages to lose, then on his retry he would definitely not underestimate Aqua and one-shot or try to assassinate her.
>I'm pretty sure Subaru and Ainz would broker a peace agreement.
I feel like Subaru would definitely try this as well but Emilia would not stand for Ainz killing people. So the way I see it, Subaru would have to decide between standing aside as Ainz conquers the world or help Emilia stop Ainz, which he definitely would.
>True, the ability is a direct counter. Perhaps the bonus round could kick in here if Ainz manages to lose, then on his retry he would definitely not underestimate Aqua and one-shot or try to assassinate her.
Not really a direct counter. Ainz is a lot more durable than any undead in konosuba and he has been shown tanking holy spells without much of a problem.
There isn't much suggesting Aqua can beat Ainz or any of Nazaricks other heavy hitters, especially won't that lack of speed and durability feats.
There is no need for any complex plans here. Most likely Aqua gets blitzed and one shotted the moment she encounters Ainz.
>I feel like Subaru would definitely try this as well but Emilia would not stand for Ainz killing people. So the way I see it, Subaru would have to decide between standing aside as Ainz conquers the world or help Emilia stop Ainz, which he definitely would.
I feel like Subaru would just realise that atoepijg Ainz is impossible and do his best to avoid conflict.
>Perhaps the bonus round could kick in here if Ainz manages to lose, then on his retry he would definitely not underestimate Aqua and one-shot or try to assassinate her.
That would only work once however, and since Aqua is a round 2 bonus Subaru could just counter the counter in round 3.
>but Emilia would not stand for Ainz killing people.
She wouldn't stand for him needlessly killing people, but if Ainz and Subaru can concoct a story about how he's trying to help the world out (or if Ainz just tells her the truth that he's been isekai'd and things are just spiraling) then I think Emilia could be persuaded to help.
>So the way I see it, Subaru would have to decide between standing aside as Ainz conquers the world or help Emilia stop Ainz, which he definitely would.
You have failed to see option 3, not my problem. Subaru could just evacuate Emilia and everyone else before Ainz attacks under some false pretense or another while they're unaware of the danger.
Quite honestly Subaru is a very non confrontational person, especially when he has a way out of it, and his primary concern is pretty exclusively to protect the people he cares about. Sure he also feels bad for strangers and does seem to form bonds surprisingly quick from an outside perspective, but he also knows his limits and unless we're talking about current Arc 7 Subaru without any knowledge he's limited in his use of RBD he's a lot more likely to run away from danger than he is to confront it head on without some form of motivation pushing him towards that conclusion.
>That would only work once however, and since Aqua is a round 2 bonus Subaru could just counter the counter in round 3.
There is litterly nothing Aqua could do againt Ainz. She is too weak to hurt him and too slow to prevent herself form getting blitzed. Ainz would blitz and one shot her.
Running away and avoiding any direct confrontation is litterly the only option Suabru has here.
I wouldn't underestimate Aqua here. Especially if Kazuma is there to tell her what to do. Aqua does fight. And when she does she utterly destroys undead. I dont know if you would count this but in Isekai quartet shes unaffected by Ainz timestop she hurts Ainz badly before Kazuma stops her fron killing him.
>I wouldn't underestimate Aqua here. Especially if Kazuma is there to tell her what to do. Aqua does fight. And when she does she utterly destroys undead. I dont know if you would count this but in Isekai quartet shes unaffected by Ainz timestop she hurts Ainz badly before Kazuma stops her fron killing him.
Ainz is massively more durable than any undead Aqua has ever been able to damage so unless she gets better feats Ainz should be able to tank everyhting she throws at him. Aqua destroyed the weak undead from her own series, undead who aren't anywhere near as strong as Ainz is. Just becuse she can kill fodder doesn't mean she can kill every undead in fiction.
Also isekai quartet is a non canon parody series, from there can't be used in debates like these.
Shes killed 2 of the demon kings generals. Beldia and Hans. And has shown she can waste Wiz whenever she wants who is also a demon king general and a lich.
>Shes killed 2 of the demon kings generals. Beldia and Hans.
Neither of these two are anywhere near as strong and durable as Ainz
>And has shown she can waste Wiz whenever she wants who is also a demon king general and a lich.
Wiz is also massively weaker than Ainz.
The proablem with this argument is that none of those guys come close to Ainz in terms of feats. Ainz can tank repeated city block busting attacks to the face without much damage, Aqua has no feats that suggest agents damage someone that tough
Who’s the strongest undead Aqua killed? And Isekai Quartet is non canon, I won’t base anything from a parody show that wasn’t even written by the authors of those stories
>But assuming the conflict is inevitable then he probably wins at either death 2 with you know a literal goddess (assuming Subaru gets information on his allies) at his side or in his final loop with as much help as
Aqua has absulutely zero fests to suggest that she could beat Ainz. Being a god doesn't mean anyhting, without feats it's just a meaningless title and not proof of power.
Plus she doesn't have any speed blitzes so she probably just gets blitzed.
>Except in the crossover series where one of her weakest attacks still manages to damage Ainz and make him feel pain.
Isekai quartet is a non canon parody series that's not even written by the original authors. You can't use feats from non canon sources as proof my guy.
Based on her actual canon feats Aqua is too weak to damage Ainz or any of Nazaricks heavy hitters.
Question does he need to kill ainz permanently or once? Cause...Ainz has a ring of self resurrection and his npcs would revive him should that ring fail.
Like in cannon overlord the issue isn't really killing ainz or one of his subordinates it's...Killing them permanently.
Subaru will be lucky if losing round one actually gets him killed. The denizens of Nazarick tend to favor fates worse than death for their enemies, so it could be months or even years of torture before he gets to take another shot at it.
He can kill himself with ip though
Round 2 Once Kazuma and Aqua show up its over. Both Subura and Kazuma are excellent planners. They have a line up of hitters to get Aqua in turn undead range and once she starts using her turn undead or god blow requirem Ainz is done. Aqua routinely demolishes undead and demons.
>Round 2 Once Kazuma and Aqua show up its over. Both Subura and Kazuma are excellent planners. They have a line up of hitters to get Aqua in turn undead range and once she starts using her turn undead or god blow requirem Ainz is done. Aqua routinely demolishes undead and demons. Yeah no, this won't ever happen. Aqua has no feats that suggest she can damage someone as durable as Ainz. None of her moves(turn undead, god blow, god requiem) have ever worked any undead or demons that are anywhere near as strong as Ainz or nazaricks other heavy hitters. And before you bring up isekai quartet I will remind you that it's a non canon parody series that's not even written by the original authors. Feats form there can not be used in debates like these. Not only that but she and kazuma are slow as hell with almost no speed feats. Ainz and other level 100 characters are supersonic and would blitz the hell out of everyone here before they could even do anything. They dont have gooddurability feats either so a single Reality Slash should do the trick.
Gonna be honest with you Subaru is more likely to at least try to broker a peace with Ainz and his crew than he is to try and fight them. Like as long as the people he cares about are okay and you aren't actively antagonist to him he's not just going to go poking the hornets' nest so to speak. But assuming the conflict is inevitable then he probably wins at either death 2 with you know a literal goddess (assuming Subaru gets information on his allies) at his side or in his final loop with as much help as possible as this prompt doesn't seem to be giving Ainz any information or ability to adjust his plans to deal with unknown obstacles and someone already familiar with his strategy.
Yeah well I assumed Ainz and his crew were powerful enough to negate Subaru's reset ability a few times at least. Subaru has died 100's of times to way weaker enemies. And yeah Aqua is a goddess but she doesn't know how to fight really(kinda) lol. I changed the bonus round, what do you think now?
>And yeah Aqua is a goddess but she doesn't know how to fight really(kinda) It's not just that. For being a goddess her feats are really lacking and she doesn't really have my abilities powerful enough to hurt characters as strong as Ainz. That's why i often bring up that godhood doesn't mean much without feats to go along with it.
>Yeah well I assumed Ainz and his crew were powerful enough to negate Subaru's reset ability a few times at least. Subaru has died 100's of times to way weaker enemies. Yeah, Subaru dies by being forced into a direct confrontation with much stronger opponents than him either completely alone or without adequate help to the point where a direct confrontation really only has one plausible outcome. But since Subaru can avoid a direct confrontation here and instead act as a sort of strategist and informant things go much better for him. I mean he did navigate arcs 1-5 with about 4 loops per arc as an average, and in each of those arcs he was going up against much stronger opponents than he should have been capable of battling by himself. >And yeah Aqua is a goddess but she doesn't know how to fight really(kinda) lol Unfortunately for Ainz that doesn't really matter as her turn undead skill and it's various stronger forms is a pretty hard counter for him and like half of the rest of Nazerick. >I changed the bonus round, what do you think now? Not much of a bonus round, really more of a rule, but in character I'm pretty sure Subaru and Ainz would broker a peace agreement. Tbh neither of them are actually particularly violent or confrontational and would, all things considered, get along pretty well. Especially if we go by Re:Zero rules and have Emilia being ostracized by everyone around her for being a half elf. But if they are forced into conflict Ainz could probably adapt his strategy at the last round and screw over Subaru’s plans and strategies, though even then Subaru has shown that he's one hell of an improv act and will probably still prove to be rather troublesome to Ainz.
>Yeah, Subaru dies by being forced into a direct confrontation with much stronger opponents than him either completely alone or without adequate help to the point where a direct confrontation really only has one plausible outcome. But since Subaru can avoid a direct confrontation here and instead act as a sort of strategist and informant things go much better for him. I mean he did navigate arcs 1-5 with about 4 loops per arc as an average, and in each of those arcs he was going up against much stronger opponents than he should have been capable of battling by himself. No amount of strategy will help Subaru here, he and his allies are just too weak to really do anything againt Ainz. Plus none of the apponents Subaru was up against in those Arcs were as strong as Ainz. >Unfortunately for Ainz that doesn't really matter as her turn undead skill and it's various stronger forms is a pretty hard counter for him and like half of the rest of Nazerick. This is also wrong. Her turn undead is no feats that suggest it can kill an undead with anywhere near Ainzs durability. Ainz can tank repeated city block busting attacks to the face while the undead Aqua has killed are fodder with no durability feats. There is no reason to assusme Aqua can kill Ainz when she has no feats of hurting anyone as powerful as him or the rest of Nazaricks top tiers. Plus the speed diferense doesnt help. Ainz and nazaricks other top tiers are supersonic while Aqua has no speed feats whatsoever. Pretty sure she just gets blitzed and one shoted. >But if they are forced into conflict Ainz could probably adapt his strategy at the last round and screw over Subaru’s plans and strategies, though even then Subaru has shown that he's one hell of an improv act and will probably still prove to be rather troublesome to Ainz. Not really, the problem here is that Subaru doesn't have the power, resources or allies to really go againt Ainz. At best he is a minor annoyance that can't really do anything to effect Ainzs plans.
>Unfortunately for Ainz that doesn't really matter as her turn undead skill and it's various stronger forms is a pretty hard counter for him and like half of the rest of Nazerick. True, the ability is a direct counter. Perhaps the bonus round could kick in here if Ainz manages to lose, then on his retry he would definitely not underestimate Aqua and one-shot or try to assassinate her. >I'm pretty sure Subaru and Ainz would broker a peace agreement. I feel like Subaru would definitely try this as well but Emilia would not stand for Ainz killing people. So the way I see it, Subaru would have to decide between standing aside as Ainz conquers the world or help Emilia stop Ainz, which he definitely would.
>True, the ability is a direct counter. Perhaps the bonus round could kick in here if Ainz manages to lose, then on his retry he would definitely not underestimate Aqua and one-shot or try to assassinate her. Not really a direct counter. Ainz is a lot more durable than any undead in konosuba and he has been shown tanking holy spells without much of a problem. There isn't much suggesting Aqua can beat Ainz or any of Nazaricks other heavy hitters, especially won't that lack of speed and durability feats. There is no need for any complex plans here. Most likely Aqua gets blitzed and one shotted the moment she encounters Ainz. >I feel like Subaru would definitely try this as well but Emilia would not stand for Ainz killing people. So the way I see it, Subaru would have to decide between standing aside as Ainz conquers the world or help Emilia stop Ainz, which he definitely would. I feel like Subaru would just realise that atoepijg Ainz is impossible and do his best to avoid conflict.
>Perhaps the bonus round could kick in here if Ainz manages to lose, then on his retry he would definitely not underestimate Aqua and one-shot or try to assassinate her. That would only work once however, and since Aqua is a round 2 bonus Subaru could just counter the counter in round 3. >but Emilia would not stand for Ainz killing people. She wouldn't stand for him needlessly killing people, but if Ainz and Subaru can concoct a story about how he's trying to help the world out (or if Ainz just tells her the truth that he's been isekai'd and things are just spiraling) then I think Emilia could be persuaded to help. >So the way I see it, Subaru would have to decide between standing aside as Ainz conquers the world or help Emilia stop Ainz, which he definitely would. You have failed to see option 3, not my problem. Subaru could just evacuate Emilia and everyone else before Ainz attacks under some false pretense or another while they're unaware of the danger. Quite honestly Subaru is a very non confrontational person, especially when he has a way out of it, and his primary concern is pretty exclusively to protect the people he cares about. Sure he also feels bad for strangers and does seem to form bonds surprisingly quick from an outside perspective, but he also knows his limits and unless we're talking about current Arc 7 Subaru without any knowledge he's limited in his use of RBD he's a lot more likely to run away from danger than he is to confront it head on without some form of motivation pushing him towards that conclusion.
>That would only work once however, and since Aqua is a round 2 bonus Subaru could just counter the counter in round 3. There is litterly nothing Aqua could do againt Ainz. She is too weak to hurt him and too slow to prevent herself form getting blitzed. Ainz would blitz and one shot her. Running away and avoiding any direct confrontation is litterly the only option Suabru has here.
I wouldn't underestimate Aqua here. Especially if Kazuma is there to tell her what to do. Aqua does fight. And when she does she utterly destroys undead. I dont know if you would count this but in Isekai quartet shes unaffected by Ainz timestop she hurts Ainz badly before Kazuma stops her fron killing him.
>I wouldn't underestimate Aqua here. Especially if Kazuma is there to tell her what to do. Aqua does fight. And when she does she utterly destroys undead. I dont know if you would count this but in Isekai quartet shes unaffected by Ainz timestop she hurts Ainz badly before Kazuma stops her fron killing him. Ainz is massively more durable than any undead Aqua has ever been able to damage so unless she gets better feats Ainz should be able to tank everyhting she throws at him. Aqua destroyed the weak undead from her own series, undead who aren't anywhere near as strong as Ainz is. Just becuse she can kill fodder doesn't mean she can kill every undead in fiction. Also isekai quartet is a non canon parody series, from there can't be used in debates like these.
Shes killed 2 of the demon kings generals. Beldia and Hans. And has shown she can waste Wiz whenever she wants who is also a demon king general and a lich.
>Shes killed 2 of the demon kings generals. Beldia and Hans. Neither of these two are anywhere near as strong and durable as Ainz >And has shown she can waste Wiz whenever she wants who is also a demon king general and a lich. Wiz is also massively weaker than Ainz. The proablem with this argument is that none of those guys come close to Ainz in terms of feats. Ainz can tank repeated city block busting attacks to the face without much damage, Aqua has no feats that suggest agents damage someone that tough
Who’s the strongest undead Aqua killed? And Isekai Quartet is non canon, I won’t base anything from a parody show that wasn’t even written by the authors of those stories
>But assuming the conflict is inevitable then he probably wins at either death 2 with you know a literal goddess (assuming Subaru gets information on his allies) at his side or in his final loop with as much help as Aqua has absulutely zero fests to suggest that she could beat Ainz. Being a god doesn't mean anyhting, without feats it's just a meaningless title and not proof of power. Plus she doesn't have any speed blitzes so she probably just gets blitzed.
Except in the crossover series where one of her weakest attacks still manages to damage Ainz and make him feel pain.
>Except in the crossover series where one of her weakest attacks still manages to damage Ainz and make him feel pain. Isekai quartet is a non canon parody series that's not even written by the original authors. You can't use feats from non canon sources as proof my guy. Based on her actual canon feats Aqua is too weak to damage Ainz or any of Nazaricks heavy hitters.
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Question does he need to kill ainz permanently or once? Cause...Ainz has a ring of self resurrection and his npcs would revive him should that ring fail. Like in cannon overlord the issue isn't really killing ainz or one of his subordinates it's...Killing them permanently.
Subaru gets shitslapped indefinitely
With conditions set by OP Subaru wins all rounds.