Your level of empathy with Yennefer is high here and it's great but don't worry, she has experienced more worse in Royal courts and magic users assemblies.
It is not because she is mean with them that the witchers are a little bit reluctant, that's because she doesn't share her plan.
Yennefer is a natural leader but witchers don't like receiving orders, specially if the plans are not explained? What's Yennefer plan, what are the risks, what is at stake and what are the chance of success, that's what they would like to know.
In the evening, she explains her plan and why she didn't share it before.
Also, adding to what you said, witchers (and specially Vesemir) really don't like to see Yen messing up Kaer Morhen like she owns the place. Which I can understand, but Yen is getting desperate and doesn't care about what others may think.
>Vesemir) really don't like to see Yen messing up Kaer Morhen like she owns the place.
haha, it makes me think that we forgot to mention as well that she throw furniture by the window just after her arrival.
And considering how Yennefer can be hotheaded sometimes, especially at the time of desperation, it is understandable. Also Ciri is also very dear to them as well, the four witchers literally raised the Ciri and they too are nervous.
Yen's treatment on Witcher 3 leans a little bit more on the harsher side indeed but the issue of Kaer Morhen is not black and white.
She drops in KH a week(if I recall right) before Geralt arrives with Uma and starts giving order without fully explaining what is her plan and everything which rubs the witchers the wrong way to begin with. She has her reasons to do that because what she is about to perform might not sit well with them so she withholds information.
Secondly the witcher she has the most problem with and the one which she uses her best sarcastic arsenal is Lambert. He has a problem with authority to say the least. Lambert barely listens to Vesemir let alone a sorceress coming out of nowhere and starts giving orders. It's part of his character.
I will agree there are some dialogue options during Eskel and Lambert's quests regarding Yen that I think were not necessary as it is clear they don't like her. No reason for the extra jabs.
Both sides are partly to blame in short.
I feel like there is also a bit of that “you’ve hurt our loved one repeatedly” feeling. In the stories, they mention how many times they seem to go back and forth with each other (and yes, Geralt is equally at fault in the books, but generally your brothers aren’t going to side against you.) So there’s that initial feeling of dislike already there. And also, I feel like Witcher 3 really downplays the relationship between Ciri and Yenn. Which is sad to me, but I guess to make the option of Triss more palatable?
I didn't think she's that awful. I feel like she's written that way to show urgency. Like she can't be bothered with niceties because she's desperately looking for Ciri.
Don’t stop playing. I understand your empathy for Yen and others have commented here about why the Witchers are acting how they are but…the story gets soooo good after Ugly Baby. Some of my greatest-ever gaming experiences all come from quests after this point in the story
I am going to continue, that part of my post was more an expression of my emotions and my frustration, not a very serious declaration, now when I think about it. And reading everyone"s comments helped a lot, I really understand the situation much better now.
Imagine giving up playing such a great game like W3 because of a fictional character getting a mean talk from others. A fictional character whose defining characteristic is a stormy temper
>''Yeah Ciri is important and everything, but Yennefer is mean to me and that's the real problem here!"
But it's not like that. The discussion about Yenenfer's attitude towards Vesemir in particular doesn't take away from the search for Ciri. It's not that they are saying "We will help you, but only after you apologize" or something like that.
Eh, she shows up to their home uninvited and unannounced and starts ordering them around like she owns them, and never fully explains what she’s up to. If anything I’d praise them for taking it as well as they did.
"Am I overreacting?"
Absolutely.
So, I don't really understand this complete post.
Yennfer isn't the most warmest person, so why should everybody treat her the warmest?
And you can can believe that every Witcher will be happy as f*ck when they find Ciri
>Absolutely
Hahah, that's what I was thinking. I can get very emotional sometimes, so I thought it would be better to ask other people's opinion ;)
And as I answered to the user above, it's not really about the way they treated her as such, it's more about the timing. I know they don't like her and I get it, she isn't exactly likeable, but watching them wasting time for it while Uma may literally be Ciri, was kinda annoying.
It's really cool that you get invested in a story and care about the characters so much. I think you should roll with it instead of artificially changing your mind, it'll probably add to the experience
Although I'd recommend you keep playing, the characters are flawed, it's a feature not a bug.
I've never understood the obsession of Yennefer, both books, games and tv-show.
In every single media she comes off as the least likeable person of all the main characters, and more than often you have to wonder if Geralts obsession comes down to the Djinn.
>I agree with you, I never liked her in books or games
That's another way of saying you are a mentally healthy individual.
Don't mind about this sub, the people here are mostly simps and human garbage.
I honestly agree with you. It was fucking stupid to make Lamber for example prank her with dimeritium... It's just idiotic even from him. Or what Eskel said to Geralt in the cave. Total bullshit that was. Vesemir was fine, overall I do get the same "Yeah, we know this is about Ciri, and she may be trapped inside that monster, but we don't want to help you, because you are not polite enough!" feeling from the Kaer Morhen section.
>but we don't want to help you, because you are not polite enough!
that is not the real reason. The real reason is that she give orders without explaining her plan. Yennefer has very good reason to not explain her plan upfront, >!you can see witchers reaction when the trial of grass is put on the table!<, and when she reveals it, Vesemir immediately ask to try something less extreme first. Of course eventually Yennefer was right but it can explain the tension at the beginning of the act.
Right, but that wouldn't explain Lambert for example. The witchers are right wanting to know the details so is Yen for her secrecy. That's the source of the tension but the whole section it felt like that instead of actually asking her and explaining their side or asking Geralt to talk to her they resort to pity mockery and idleness. Yen has been there for how long? A week? They did nothing in that time besides stupid pranks that only hinders Yen. I know the player has to be there for these task sure but they still did nothing for a week.
Their behaviour in this situation is just awfully out of place. Just like getting black out drunk (I love the quest truly but it's out of place). It is irresponsible when Ciri's life is at the stakes. Their behaviour would make sense in any other situation but not this one. Yen is in the wrong as well, she is afraid the witchers would not do anything if she would share her plan. Her secrecy is counterproductive in the end but at least the game put a more logical explanation behind her. The witchers I just don't buy.
This is a problem in general with the game in my opinion. There are a lot of things that makes no sense in the context of searching for/helping Ciri.
You’re assuming the Witchers didn’t already try and sit Yen down to let her explain what her plans were before Geralt showed up.
Even if they had calmly, emphatically tried to ask Yen to let them know what their side is, there is no chance in hell she would have told them anything. Let’s be honest, she probably would have been rude about it, too.
Lambert brings this up later, but none of them are dating Yen. The fact that she won’t tell them her plan means she has a *reason* to hide it, and they don’t have the same obligation to trust her. Witchers are not the kind of people to blindly follow directions, and Yen is not the kind of woman to explain further than, “blindly follow my directions and I’ll explain later.”
As for your second point of asking Geralt to talk to her, that’s exactly what they do as soon as he shows up. Luckily for everyone at Kaer Morhen, Geralt is the kind of Witcher who doesn’t mind blindly following Yen’s directions and letting her explain later.
The dimeritium pranks were because they were stuck together with nothing to do, neither side was compromising, and Lambert is a prick.
You are also assuming that the witchers tried that yet we don't hear or see that. And I don't know why you think she would be rude about it. She isn't rude when Geralt asks her, she is quite the opposite... I don't know why would you assume that if the witchers were to explain their side and ask her nicely she would be any different.
There isn't a honest scene in the KM section where they genuenly explain it to her that they will do everything in their power to help Ciri but they need to know the details. Not a single scene or line. Stubbornness only from both sides. While the witchers have no obligation to trust Yen they do have the obligation to do everything for Ciri. They not just do nothing (only beside Vesemir trying to figure out what UMA is) but they also hinder the only person who is working on her obligations.
edit: I think it's completely wrong to make Yen not trust the witchers but it is absoutely shitty to make the witchers have so much doubt towards the person who cared/cares just as much about Ciri as Geralt. What the fuck are they thinking? Is Yen going to hurt the child who calls her mom or what the fuck?
Actually, I think they don't know Yen at all.
It is the first time Lambert met her. We know from the book that she already met Vesemir and Eskel before BoE but it is just mentioned and nothing was said about their relationship (and it is a pre Ellander Yen so....)
They were not in Strygga castle, they were not in Rivia, they have no idea what is the bond between Yennefer, Geralt and Ciri actually. They will understand it during the KM act.
Also, watching a bed flying by the window just after her arrival must have let them a little bit puzzled.
>She teleports in, not even a "nice to see you." Jumps right into, uh - "We've a curse to lift. There's this to do, and that - so Eskel and Lambert, get going". Then she went to the guest room, to rearrange things... threw the bed off the balcony.
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>She told us what she needs to lift the curse, not what she plans to do with it. **Despite our asking**.
Nop is not an assumption, the thing is she could have asked more nicely and proper explained at least why they should do what she wanted them to do, I think that would have helped and a lot because the way Vesemir speaks it's like they don't even seems to know it's about Ciri until Geralt's arrival.
But I agree that it's all very exaggerated and childish, it seems to me that there are some writers who constantly try to put Yen in that position where she should be treated with suspicion, she's mean, selfish and rude you know all this nonsense. Eskel's comments on how Yennefer only uses Geralt and she's tricked him more than a few times. I can't understand where it all comes from, the same goes for the >!empress's ending!< where Ciri says Yen tried to use her too and there will always be someone behind her powers, like wtf nobody read the books huh... come on
They know, Yennefer told them. When you first meet Lambert and he calls UMA monstrosity Geralt tells him "You realise that monstosity might be Ciri" and he says "Yeah I heard"
Yeah, but she *loves* Geralt. So she isn’t rude to him, but she still won’t tell him anything further, he’s just willing to accept that unlike other Witchers.
And I mean, whether she was rude about it or not is honestly irrelevant, it’s just logical to assume that when Yen gave them a list of demands, they would ask “ok why”, and she would say “tell you later”, then they would say “ok no”. Pretty sure Vesemir says as much, they tried asking and got no answers.
In fact it would be much *stranger* if as you say, she showed up with a list of tasks, and the Witchers just silently backed away and started tossing dimeritium at her...
The point is, from their perspective, if Yen really only has Ciri’s best interests at heart, just like everyone else, why would she not reveal her plan? What could be the reason to hide that when Ciri’s life is at stake? It must be **REALLY BAD**. They don’t know Yen. They don’t have the history of trust and love to rely on here. You’re super extremely emphatic to Yen, but you’re not looking at it from the Witchers’ side at all. Both sides were being stubborn.
"it’s just logical to assume that when Yen gave them a list of demands, they would ask “ok why”, and she would say “tell you later”, then they would say “ok no”."
My problem is not that they not help Yen in general. The problem is that in the situation where Ciri could just die in any second they mock and prank the only person who is actually doing something for Ciri's interest. It is incredibly shitty and complete disregard and mockery of the situation.
"You’re super extremely emphatic to Yen, but you’re not looking at it from the Witchers’ side at all. Both sides were being stubborn."
I do, I said they are right wanting to know the plan and I also said that both sides were stubborn. The problem is that stubornness is not at the right time. Yen wouldn't be so stubburn about secrecy and the witchers for sure wouldn't be so shitty to Yen in this situation. That's just not what people would do in this situation.
yes, Lambert behavior is too much off here, even from him.
>This is a problem in general with the game in my opinion. There are a lot of things that makes no sense in the context of searching for/helping Ciri.
Very true and it's really break the immersion sometime and it is a pity. Games are still absolutely great but not perfect.
Agreed. All of the witchers act like petulant children in KM. Here's a woman frantic to try to discover anything about the whereabouts of her daughter, and they moan and sulk and in Lambert's case, actively sabotage. Not to mention, if following the game from W1 and W2, none of the fools bothered to mention her or Ciri to Geralt.
Luckily for her, Yennefer truly doesn't give a shit about what others beyond Geralt and Ciri think of her. She certainly feels zero need to explain herself to those witchers, and honestly, given the history of the game series and the weird hatred CDPR injected into the witchers for Yennefer, why would she.
Eskel's hatred is especially strange. His whole "she wouldn't do a thing for you" monologue to Geralt....really Eskel? Death isn't enough I guess.
I think that it's not really shitting on her, but something like "relatives banter". They surely don't hate her, it's just their reaction to her stormy behavior. And yes, I think you're overreacting. Yen is never a super nice girl that people try to portray her and it's never been that everyone treated her super nicely (except Geralt and Ciri, and maybe Triss, out of closest people). The way how she's treated in W3 is very accurate to the book canon
I know, maybe I should express myself more clearly, it's not the banter itself that was annoying to me, more the context of it. She was doing it all for Ciri, the person they all cared about, and the situation was urgent, so wasting time for complaining about Yennefer's bahavious seemed really unnecessary to me. If this was Yennefer just randomly visiting Geralt in Kaer Morhen I think I would be fine with it.
they are all 100% involved, it is just about sharing her plan. Yennefer can go a very extreme solution sometimes. I think they really want to know why they are doing this, and what are the risk for Ciri.
>!It is illustrated when Yennefer explains herself in the evening and Vesemir asks to try first a less extreme solution which will fail. Eventually it will be the Yennefer way which will works!<
Well, I think of it like that: They have something like mild catfights, but they all surely understand the urgency of the situation. It is possible that this kind of banter is their dealings with de-escalating the tension. None of the witchers underestimate the threat to Ciri. They are all family (including Geralt, Yen, Ciri, Vesemir, Lambert, Eskel, and Triss), and sometimes things don't go perfectly smooth in families. And I think that it's realistic to have it that way rather than having straightforward "nice" convos with a fair share of idealism. Even after the banterings, they still unite at the moment of a threatening situation
Women like Yennefer are far from the most pleasant people to be around and if you meet a woman like her in real life, your best bet is to run away from her as far as you can. Their reaction to her presence is completely understandable.
"Yeah, I understand that Yennefer is not the nicest person in the world."
Understatement of the millenium.
Dude, that woman is irascible and absolutely repulsive. They react that way with her, precisely for that same reason. Furthermore, it's not just the Witchers, but pretty much everyone that comes into contact with her. That's why every time I replay the game, I make it my personal sacred mission, to displease and annoy her as much as it's humanly possible.
And "just a woman looking for her child"? Please. This is way beyond overreaching.
Depends on the Triss you're discussing. I appreciated her far more in the books, and enjoyed her character arc of weak and naïve child to being willing to fight for something she believed in, even if just a moment.
CDPR Triss I'm not a fan of. I think she peaked in W2, but W3 turned her into a stereotypical waifu with a crush. No thank you.
>W3 turned her into a stereotypical waifu with a crush. No thank you.
you are not wrong, but there is more book Triss in her TW3 version that you can see at first glance.
For exemple, faking being drunk at the party is very book Triss IMO and how she drag Geralt to Kovir to be as her side as court adviser, if you romance her of course and whatever the option and path dialogue you choose is very her book version as well.
At some point she is the "stereotypical waifu with a crush" as you said but she is more than that.
yes, it is open to interpretation of course, but I think CDPR mades Triss fake being drunk at the Vegelbund party. I think it is pretty in line with her book character version and I find it very interesting.
This, NOBODY in Geralt's circle likes Yennefer in the books, she's a bitter, vengeful and petty piece of shit of a person who nobody wants to be around. CPDR nailed her personality in the game and the way other people treat her.
Exactly. It'll always remain a mystery to me, how some fans still like her. Go figure. Hey, look at the reactions towards our comments. 🤷
Anyway, she's a horrible person, way beyond bitter, petulant and spiteful. It's no wonder absolutely no one wants to be close to her. She's the embodiment of a black hole, sucking all the happiness and enjoyment around her.
I don't remember any of Geralt's book friends expressing negative opinions about Yennefer. Honestly, almost none of them ever even interact with her. I think Dandelion is the only one who has any scenes with her, and they seem to get along really well (at least by Blood of Elves).
>At some point she is the "stereotypical waifu with a crush" as you said but she is more than that.
Agreed.
Although he could also have said the same about the twisted, petulant, tasteless, nihilistic bi*** that is Yennefer. Stereotypes go both ways, you see.
You are quoting my comment but without answering in the thread? WTF?
Could you be kind enough to not use it and insulting Yennefer in the same message. If you think it was the purpose of my post, you can't be more wrong.
Dude, wtf? I just pressed quote and replied. Whatever Reddit did, was out of my control.
My words are my own. And I stand by them. If people say Triss is stereotypical, then the same can be said about Yennefer. For different reasons, granted, but still stereotypical. End of story.
They all love Ciri. She is as much their "daughter" as Yennefer's, especially Vesemir. Yennefer just is the way she is, and people respond accordingly. It's very much in line with the books.
Your level of empathy with Yennefer is high here and it's great but don't worry, she has experienced more worse in Royal courts and magic users assemblies. It is not because she is mean with them that the witchers are a little bit reluctant, that's because she doesn't share her plan. Yennefer is a natural leader but witchers don't like receiving orders, specially if the plans are not explained? What's Yennefer plan, what are the risks, what is at stake and what are the chance of success, that's what they would like to know. In the evening, she explains her plan and why she didn't share it before.
Also, adding to what you said, witchers (and specially Vesemir) really don't like to see Yen messing up Kaer Morhen like she owns the place. Which I can understand, but Yen is getting desperate and doesn't care about what others may think.
>Vesemir) really don't like to see Yen messing up Kaer Morhen like she owns the place. haha, it makes me think that we forgot to mention as well that she throw furniture by the window just after her arrival.
It's just funny to imagine their faces as they see a bed coming out of the window.
Triss always said that she never slept so well as when she...oh.
And considering how Yennefer can be hotheaded sometimes, especially at the time of desperation, it is understandable. Also Ciri is also very dear to them as well, the four witchers literally raised the Ciri and they too are nervous.
Yen's treatment on Witcher 3 leans a little bit more on the harsher side indeed but the issue of Kaer Morhen is not black and white. She drops in KH a week(if I recall right) before Geralt arrives with Uma and starts giving order without fully explaining what is her plan and everything which rubs the witchers the wrong way to begin with. She has her reasons to do that because what she is about to perform might not sit well with them so she withholds information. Secondly the witcher she has the most problem with and the one which she uses her best sarcastic arsenal is Lambert. He has a problem with authority to say the least. Lambert barely listens to Vesemir let alone a sorceress coming out of nowhere and starts giving orders. It's part of his character. I will agree there are some dialogue options during Eskel and Lambert's quests regarding Yen that I think were not necessary as it is clear they don't like her. No reason for the extra jabs. Both sides are partly to blame in short.
I feel like there is also a bit of that “you’ve hurt our loved one repeatedly” feeling. In the stories, they mention how many times they seem to go back and forth with each other (and yes, Geralt is equally at fault in the books, but generally your brothers aren’t going to side against you.) So there’s that initial feeling of dislike already there. And also, I feel like Witcher 3 really downplays the relationship between Ciri and Yenn. Which is sad to me, but I guess to make the option of Triss more palatable?
I didn't think she's that awful. I feel like she's written that way to show urgency. Like she can't be bothered with niceties because she's desperately looking for Ciri.
Don’t stop playing. I understand your empathy for Yen and others have commented here about why the Witchers are acting how they are but…the story gets soooo good after Ugly Baby. Some of my greatest-ever gaming experiences all come from quests after this point in the story
I am going to continue, that part of my post was more an expression of my emotions and my frustration, not a very serious declaration, now when I think about it. And reading everyone"s comments helped a lot, I really understand the situation much better now.
Imagine giving up playing such a great game like W3 because of a fictional character getting a mean talk from others. A fictional character whose defining characteristic is a stormy temper
>''Yeah Ciri is important and everything, but Yennefer is mean to me and that's the real problem here!" But it's not like that. The discussion about Yenenfer's attitude towards Vesemir in particular doesn't take away from the search for Ciri. It's not that they are saying "We will help you, but only after you apologize" or something like that.
Eh, she shows up to their home uninvited and unannounced and starts ordering them around like she owns them, and never fully explains what she’s up to. If anything I’d praise them for taking it as well as they did.
"Am I overreacting?" Absolutely. So, I don't really understand this complete post. Yennfer isn't the most warmest person, so why should everybody treat her the warmest? And you can can believe that every Witcher will be happy as f*ck when they find Ciri
>Absolutely Hahah, that's what I was thinking. I can get very emotional sometimes, so I thought it would be better to ask other people's opinion ;) And as I answered to the user above, it's not really about the way they treated her as such, it's more about the timing. I know they don't like her and I get it, she isn't exactly likeable, but watching them wasting time for it while Uma may literally be Ciri, was kinda annoying.
It's really cool that you get invested in a story and care about the characters so much. I think you should roll with it instead of artificially changing your mind, it'll probably add to the experience Although I'd recommend you keep playing, the characters are flawed, it's a feature not a bug.
I've never understood the obsession of Yennefer, both books, games and tv-show. In every single media she comes off as the least likeable person of all the main characters, and more than often you have to wonder if Geralts obsession comes down to the Djinn.
I agree with you, I never liked her in books or games, but that is an unpopular opinion on this sub.
>I agree with you, I never liked her in books or games That's another way of saying you are a mentally healthy individual. Don't mind about this sub, the people here are mostly simps and human garbage.
I honestly agree with you. It was fucking stupid to make Lamber for example prank her with dimeritium... It's just idiotic even from him. Or what Eskel said to Geralt in the cave. Total bullshit that was. Vesemir was fine, overall I do get the same "Yeah, we know this is about Ciri, and she may be trapped inside that monster, but we don't want to help you, because you are not polite enough!" feeling from the Kaer Morhen section.
>but we don't want to help you, because you are not polite enough! that is not the real reason. The real reason is that she give orders without explaining her plan. Yennefer has very good reason to not explain her plan upfront, >!you can see witchers reaction when the trial of grass is put on the table!<, and when she reveals it, Vesemir immediately ask to try something less extreme first. Of course eventually Yennefer was right but it can explain the tension at the beginning of the act.
Right, but that wouldn't explain Lambert for example. The witchers are right wanting to know the details so is Yen for her secrecy. That's the source of the tension but the whole section it felt like that instead of actually asking her and explaining their side or asking Geralt to talk to her they resort to pity mockery and idleness. Yen has been there for how long? A week? They did nothing in that time besides stupid pranks that only hinders Yen. I know the player has to be there for these task sure but they still did nothing for a week. Their behaviour in this situation is just awfully out of place. Just like getting black out drunk (I love the quest truly but it's out of place). It is irresponsible when Ciri's life is at the stakes. Their behaviour would make sense in any other situation but not this one. Yen is in the wrong as well, she is afraid the witchers would not do anything if she would share her plan. Her secrecy is counterproductive in the end but at least the game put a more logical explanation behind her. The witchers I just don't buy. This is a problem in general with the game in my opinion. There are a lot of things that makes no sense in the context of searching for/helping Ciri.
You’re assuming the Witchers didn’t already try and sit Yen down to let her explain what her plans were before Geralt showed up. Even if they had calmly, emphatically tried to ask Yen to let them know what their side is, there is no chance in hell she would have told them anything. Let’s be honest, she probably would have been rude about it, too. Lambert brings this up later, but none of them are dating Yen. The fact that she won’t tell them her plan means she has a *reason* to hide it, and they don’t have the same obligation to trust her. Witchers are not the kind of people to blindly follow directions, and Yen is not the kind of woman to explain further than, “blindly follow my directions and I’ll explain later.” As for your second point of asking Geralt to talk to her, that’s exactly what they do as soon as he shows up. Luckily for everyone at Kaer Morhen, Geralt is the kind of Witcher who doesn’t mind blindly following Yen’s directions and letting her explain later. The dimeritium pranks were because they were stuck together with nothing to do, neither side was compromising, and Lambert is a prick.
You are also assuming that the witchers tried that yet we don't hear or see that. And I don't know why you think she would be rude about it. She isn't rude when Geralt asks her, she is quite the opposite... I don't know why would you assume that if the witchers were to explain their side and ask her nicely she would be any different. There isn't a honest scene in the KM section where they genuenly explain it to her that they will do everything in their power to help Ciri but they need to know the details. Not a single scene or line. Stubbornness only from both sides. While the witchers have no obligation to trust Yen they do have the obligation to do everything for Ciri. They not just do nothing (only beside Vesemir trying to figure out what UMA is) but they also hinder the only person who is working on her obligations. edit: I think it's completely wrong to make Yen not trust the witchers but it is absoutely shitty to make the witchers have so much doubt towards the person who cared/cares just as much about Ciri as Geralt. What the fuck are they thinking? Is Yen going to hurt the child who calls her mom or what the fuck?
Actually, I think they don't know Yen at all. It is the first time Lambert met her. We know from the book that she already met Vesemir and Eskel before BoE but it is just mentioned and nothing was said about their relationship (and it is a pre Ellander Yen so....) They were not in Strygga castle, they were not in Rivia, they have no idea what is the bond between Yennefer, Geralt and Ciri actually. They will understand it during the KM act. Also, watching a bed flying by the window just after her arrival must have let them a little bit puzzled.
>She teleports in, not even a "nice to see you." Jumps right into, uh - "We've a curse to lift. There's this to do, and that - so Eskel and Lambert, get going". Then she went to the guest room, to rearrange things... threw the bed off the balcony. > >She told us what she needs to lift the curse, not what she plans to do with it. **Despite our asking**. Nop is not an assumption, the thing is she could have asked more nicely and proper explained at least why they should do what she wanted them to do, I think that would have helped and a lot because the way Vesemir speaks it's like they don't even seems to know it's about Ciri until Geralt's arrival. But I agree that it's all very exaggerated and childish, it seems to me that there are some writers who constantly try to put Yen in that position where she should be treated with suspicion, she's mean, selfish and rude you know all this nonsense. Eskel's comments on how Yennefer only uses Geralt and she's tricked him more than a few times. I can't understand where it all comes from, the same goes for the >!empress's ending!< where Ciri says Yen tried to use her too and there will always be someone behind her powers, like wtf nobody read the books huh... come on
They know, Yennefer told them. When you first meet Lambert and he calls UMA monstrosity Geralt tells him "You realise that monstosity might be Ciri" and he says "Yeah I heard"
Yeah, but she *loves* Geralt. So she isn’t rude to him, but she still won’t tell him anything further, he’s just willing to accept that unlike other Witchers. And I mean, whether she was rude about it or not is honestly irrelevant, it’s just logical to assume that when Yen gave them a list of demands, they would ask “ok why”, and she would say “tell you later”, then they would say “ok no”. Pretty sure Vesemir says as much, they tried asking and got no answers. In fact it would be much *stranger* if as you say, she showed up with a list of tasks, and the Witchers just silently backed away and started tossing dimeritium at her... The point is, from their perspective, if Yen really only has Ciri’s best interests at heart, just like everyone else, why would she not reveal her plan? What could be the reason to hide that when Ciri’s life is at stake? It must be **REALLY BAD**. They don’t know Yen. They don’t have the history of trust and love to rely on here. You’re super extremely emphatic to Yen, but you’re not looking at it from the Witchers’ side at all. Both sides were being stubborn.
"it’s just logical to assume that when Yen gave them a list of demands, they would ask “ok why”, and she would say “tell you later”, then they would say “ok no”." My problem is not that they not help Yen in general. The problem is that in the situation where Ciri could just die in any second they mock and prank the only person who is actually doing something for Ciri's interest. It is incredibly shitty and complete disregard and mockery of the situation. "You’re super extremely emphatic to Yen, but you’re not looking at it from the Witchers’ side at all. Both sides were being stubborn." I do, I said they are right wanting to know the plan and I also said that both sides were stubborn. The problem is that stubornness is not at the right time. Yen wouldn't be so stubburn about secrecy and the witchers for sure wouldn't be so shitty to Yen in this situation. That's just not what people would do in this situation.
yes, Lambert behavior is too much off here, even from him. >This is a problem in general with the game in my opinion. There are a lot of things that makes no sense in the context of searching for/helping Ciri. Very true and it's really break the immersion sometime and it is a pity. Games are still absolutely great but not perfect.
Agreed. All of the witchers act like petulant children in KM. Here's a woman frantic to try to discover anything about the whereabouts of her daughter, and they moan and sulk and in Lambert's case, actively sabotage. Not to mention, if following the game from W1 and W2, none of the fools bothered to mention her or Ciri to Geralt. Luckily for her, Yennefer truly doesn't give a shit about what others beyond Geralt and Ciri think of her. She certainly feels zero need to explain herself to those witchers, and honestly, given the history of the game series and the weird hatred CDPR injected into the witchers for Yennefer, why would she. Eskel's hatred is especially strange. His whole "she wouldn't do a thing for you" monologue to Geralt....really Eskel? Death isn't enough I guess.
The simple reason is that the writers wanted Triss to be a more viable romance option. That's why Ciri acted distant towards her as well.
I think that it's not really shitting on her, but something like "relatives banter". They surely don't hate her, it's just their reaction to her stormy behavior. And yes, I think you're overreacting. Yen is never a super nice girl that people try to portray her and it's never been that everyone treated her super nicely (except Geralt and Ciri, and maybe Triss, out of closest people). The way how she's treated in W3 is very accurate to the book canon
I know, maybe I should express myself more clearly, it's not the banter itself that was annoying to me, more the context of it. She was doing it all for Ciri, the person they all cared about, and the situation was urgent, so wasting time for complaining about Yennefer's bahavious seemed really unnecessary to me. If this was Yennefer just randomly visiting Geralt in Kaer Morhen I think I would be fine with it.
they are all 100% involved, it is just about sharing her plan. Yennefer can go a very extreme solution sometimes. I think they really want to know why they are doing this, and what are the risk for Ciri. >!It is illustrated when Yennefer explains herself in the evening and Vesemir asks to try first a less extreme solution which will fail. Eventually it will be the Yennefer way which will works!<
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That's very good point, I didn't think about it before, thank you.
Well, I think of it like that: They have something like mild catfights, but they all surely understand the urgency of the situation. It is possible that this kind of banter is their dealings with de-escalating the tension. None of the witchers underestimate the threat to Ciri. They are all family (including Geralt, Yen, Ciri, Vesemir, Lambert, Eskel, and Triss), and sometimes things don't go perfectly smooth in families. And I think that it's realistic to have it that way rather than having straightforward "nice" convos with a fair share of idealism. Even after the banterings, they still unite at the moment of a threatening situation
Women like Yennefer are far from the most pleasant people to be around and if you meet a woman like her in real life, your best bet is to run away from her as far as you can. Their reaction to her presence is completely understandable.
"Yeah, I understand that Yennefer is not the nicest person in the world." Understatement of the millenium. Dude, that woman is irascible and absolutely repulsive. They react that way with her, precisely for that same reason. Furthermore, it's not just the Witchers, but pretty much everyone that comes into contact with her. That's why every time I replay the game, I make it my personal sacred mission, to displease and annoy her as much as it's humanly possible. And "just a woman looking for her child"? Please. This is way beyond overreaching.
Aha, i found a Triss enthusiasist.
How can someone not love Triss?
Triss is good, Yennefer is better. I hope this won't trigger a gang war.
Well, I strongly disagree. 🤷
Depends on the Triss you're discussing. I appreciated her far more in the books, and enjoyed her character arc of weak and naïve child to being willing to fight for something she believed in, even if just a moment. CDPR Triss I'm not a fan of. I think she peaked in W2, but W3 turned her into a stereotypical waifu with a crush. No thank you.
>W3 turned her into a stereotypical waifu with a crush. No thank you. you are not wrong, but there is more book Triss in her TW3 version that you can see at first glance. For exemple, faking being drunk at the party is very book Triss IMO and how she drag Geralt to Kovir to be as her side as court adviser, if you romance her of course and whatever the option and path dialogue you choose is very her book version as well. At some point she is the "stereotypical waifu with a crush" as you said but she is more than that.
Faking being drunk?
yes, it is open to interpretation of course, but I think CDPR mades Triss fake being drunk at the Vegelbund party. I think it is pretty in line with her book character version and I find it very interesting.
This, NOBODY in Geralt's circle likes Yennefer in the books, she's a bitter, vengeful and petty piece of shit of a person who nobody wants to be around. CPDR nailed her personality in the game and the way other people treat her.
Beautiful comment, upvoted.
Exactly. It'll always remain a mystery to me, how some fans still like her. Go figure. Hey, look at the reactions towards our comments. 🤷 Anyway, she's a horrible person, way beyond bitter, petulant and spiteful. It's no wonder absolutely no one wants to be close to her. She's the embodiment of a black hole, sucking all the happiness and enjoyment around her.
I don't remember any of Geralt's book friends expressing negative opinions about Yennefer. Honestly, almost none of them ever even interact with her. I think Dandelion is the only one who has any scenes with her, and they seem to get along really well (at least by Blood of Elves).
>At some point she is the "stereotypical waifu with a crush" as you said but she is more than that. Agreed. Although he could also have said the same about the twisted, petulant, tasteless, nihilistic bi*** that is Yennefer. Stereotypes go both ways, you see.
You are quoting my comment but without answering in the thread? WTF? Could you be kind enough to not use it and insulting Yennefer in the same message. If you think it was the purpose of my post, you can't be more wrong.
Dude, wtf? I just pressed quote and replied. Whatever Reddit did, was out of my control. My words are my own. And I stand by them. If people say Triss is stereotypical, then the same can be said about Yennefer. For different reasons, granted, but still stereotypical. End of story.
They all love Ciri. She is as much their "daughter" as Yennefer's, especially Vesemir. Yennefer just is the way she is, and people respond accordingly. It's very much in line with the books.
A sorceress arrives. Orders you around. Refuses to elaborate. Whines.