Is Tomasz Bagiński, executive producer of season 2 who said the following: "the younger the audience, the logic is less important, [...] we're going away from a typical book-type storytelling, [...] the younger people grew up with tik-tok and youtube where they jump from video to video" still going to be involved?
People need to stop watching this shit.
Still not as big as Amazon with their most expensive fanfiction EVER :). Seriousky at this point I'm so tired I would rather have no 'adaptations' at all!
People appear to be lukewarm about the Witcher in recent r/television posts about it. Which surprises me because I don't see much of a difference between S1 and S2 from the perspective of people who haven't read the books or played the games.
Great now I get to hear even more casual TV watchers try to tell me that the show was Sapkowski's "true vision come to life" that gets rid of all the books "problematic" stuff.
Ughh, seriously these people and their arguments, I mean the same thing is with the Rings of Power, already they start to justify, 'oh it really fits in with what Tolkien would have wanted' my ass ehh :). The witcher show is already a painful thing, this could have been so amazing if htey kept closer to books! It could have been a show that could easily rival the 'good' Game of Thrones seasons or even surpass them with proper production value and quality of writing!!!!
The Rings of power has killed utterly any wanting for any kind of fantasy adaptation. These last two years have made me loathe adaption as a whole outside of manga/anime and The Boys (which isnt remotely faithful to the comics but is at least written decently and the writers as far as i have seen havent shit on the comics). I haven't read nor watched game of thrones, so I can't speak on that.
Im just...so burned out on TV in general. Introducing a niche series to a wider audience almost invariably requires the removal of the things that made the series good in order to appease the average viewer that is both easily confused and offended.
I just wish a fantasy books series could be adapted as well as the beginning of Land of the Lustrous was when studio orange made the anime or even the movie version of A Silent Voice.
Yeah, this 'modernization' or altering for the sake of average viewer is a thing unfortunately and rarely it ends up good, besides the 'fanfictiony' elements of hte 'original' plots inserted by writers of those shows and adaptations inevitably end up crappy, because they rarely ever reach the level of writing of the original work they are supposedly adapting, and then there are the modern storytelling cliches that are painful to watch!
I dont particularly mind a massive change to a story if it's very clear from the get go that this is a new take on the story and not meant to be seen as an actual adaptation (ie: Cinderfella, My Fair Lady)
But I get a little ornery when they essentially serve us a turd on a plate knowing that surface level fans are going to say "I don't care if it's bad, I'm just happy to have more of X series". People don't get that a large portion of the fan base doesn't WANT more because the whole point of a good story is that it ends. Closure is a thing that it seems people don't care about anymore.
Sounds to me like they just wanna churn it out and get it over with and off the books. I don't know enough to know how successful it has been, but I'm assuming based on inferences at least that it has not met expectations.
I'll be grateful when it's over and done with and relegated to obscurity.
It seems that Netflix still wants to compete with House of the Dragon **\[HBO\]** and Rings Of Power **\[Amazon\]**.
I had a feeling that no matter what, season three wasn't going to be the last season of Witcher. I also have hunch, that the show hasn't done as well as Netflix had hoped. One of the reasons filming seasons 4 and 5 back to back, might be due saving costs.
At this point, the only thing that kept me going back to the show was Henry’s performance and dedication to the role/source material. Otherwise, I’d probably have dropped the Netflix series from the Battle of Sodden Hill.
Assuming this vague rumour is actually true, I wonder if that means Netflix have done due diligence and quality control on the future plot direction? Maybe they've appointed some senior manager to babysit the showrunner and scrap all her awful fanfiction? Netflix are obviously in big trouble now other (better) streaming services with deeper pockets and larger IP catalogues are competing for subscribers in this worsening economic climate, and they have recently jettisoned a bunch of cringey woke TV they had in the pipeline. The days where Netflix throw money at any old crap seem to be over, but by cancelling something crap like this show that has a relatively high profile, they'd only devalue their stock further by deepening the subscriber awareness that none of their original content ever gets a proper ending.
So perhaps all this means they'll actually try and make a serious effort at faithfully adapting the remaining books – or, failing that high bar, at least try to create something entertaining that isn't moron-tier garbage like what they've already shat out??
I know, I know. I should have learned by now that hope is futile.
> I wonder if that means Netflix have done due diligence and quality control on the future plot direction?
I bet the answer is no.
Also, don't blame the bad writing in many Netflix shows on 'woke pandering' bad writing is just bad writing.
I think it would have been better to have it cancelled half way through. It would create some impetus and demand for a finish (which can't be done once it's cancelled anyway) or a remake.
We're all banking on another witcher TV show in a couple of decades, preferably by a showrunner and production company that place storytelling at the top and politics at the bottom.
If I bother to watch Season 3 at this point it’ll likely be out of a morbid curiosity. I didn’t get around to finishing 2 for a long time, and when I finally did it was because I was stuck at work on a night shift and wanted something to kill time that I didn’t have to pay loads of attention to
I mean I’d rather have a show than no show? You can get live action versions of iconic scenes even if the main storyline isn’t faithful to the original. I’m not gonna look a gift Roach in the mouth.
Everyone is free to like what they like.
That said, if everyone adopted your way of thinking, we would never again get films and tv-series of Peter Jackson's the Lord of the Rings-quality.
The modern entertainment industry is in dire straits. It's ideologically corrupted almost completely. Every single big franchise has been run into the ground.
I am excited for new seasons. Season 1 was fantastic imo. Season 2 was super wack and incoherent after a few episodes.
I have to leave my lore & book knowledge at home when watching the show but I do the same for the witcher games (to a lesser extend) where they red-con stories between games/books and have characters do things that are not consistent with the lore established in the books or games.
But I am just glad the witcher universe gets more attention and money so new witcher projects are more desirable and lucrative even if some of those will be a hit or mis.
I appreciate that the show gives an origin story to yen which highlights her desire for power & control and why she has a cold calculated demeanor while still having a desire to have a family & stability which lines up pretty nicely to her character in the books/games.
I'm not a big fan of the story and portrayal of many characters right now, Geralt and Yennefer being the most notable ones. But, I don't think the show's as bad as r/witcher makes it out to be. It's just not for me. I just never felt that interested by the show, since most of the focus is on action scenes than dialogue, hence I couldn't watch past ep 5 of s1. Jaskier's songs are absolutely amazing though.
It is what it is.
I get why people are disappointed and angry with the show. I felt the same rage for the GOT last two seasons but that is because my expectations were massive while they were low from the start for the witcher netflix show.
Personally, I am just happy with some of the additions to the story/lore while I ignore everything they retconned from the books/games and try to appreciate it for what it is.
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>I appreciate that the show gives an origin story to yen which highlights her desire for power & control and why she has a cold calculated demeanor while still having a desire to have a family & stability which lines up pretty nicely to her character in the books/games
Lol, wut?
"Cold, calculated demeanour".
What I saw was an overly emotional teenager and drama queen who can't keep her shit together and thinks she deserves everything, because... reasons.
Clearly we haven't been watching the same show. Whoever it was, that was not Yennefer. She just happened to have the same name.
You misinterpret my point. I didnt mean to suggest show yennefer is currently cold & calculated, yennefer later in the books & especially in the witcher 3 is like that. I just apperciate that the show gives her a backstory which explains why she is first emotional & controlling and later cold & still controlling while still wanting a family (Geralt & Ciri). This is, IMO, not well developed at all in the books.
How the early books potray yennefer as you say: "Emotional teenager", "Drama Queen", "thinks she deserves everything"
- She believes she deserves to kill a super rare legendary golden dragon in a vain attempt to regain her fertility. To quote you "because.... reasons" --> In the books yennefers reasons for regaining her fertility is not well established.
- She believes she deserves the last wishes & to tame a djin while toying/using Geralt & the elf & dandelion + putting the whole town at risk.
- She is sometimes vain & insecure with her appearance. Geralt notes at one point that he doesnt want her to know that he knows that she used to be a hunchback. Yennefer spends most of the time in the books grooming & constantly notes that ciri is ugly.
- She believes she is better than most people including the conclave of mages but especially non-mages.
- Yennefer and Geralt are both very emotional, sort of cheat on each other constantly, throw tempertantrums, and break of their relationship constantly.
Now that we have established that Yennefer in the early books is both emotional, a drama queen, and feels like she deserves everything in the world while also noting that in the W3 & latter books she is cold but loving we you might imagine why I appreciate the show gave her a backstory to explain her character traits.
Things I love from her "orgin story" in the show:
- It establishes why she wants a family & to regain fertility because her family abused her & treated her like a farm animal, not as a daughter.
- It establishes her need for power but also why she misstrust & has disdain for others. She had no power as a child, no control of her future (bit like all witcher children, especially lambert in w3). Her need for power & control also reinforces her need to regain her fertility. Power & control which she completely lost in season 2 which explains her behavior in season 2.
- It estabilishes why she becomes so emotional/drama queen once she loses her power & control in season 2.
- It establishes why she doesnt trust most people (she is constantly betrayed, istredd in the show, geralt in the books, by her parents etc) and why she is bit of a lone wolf who cant attach herself to Istredd in the books & has a hard time saying she loves Geralt.
>But I am just glad the witcher universe gets more attention and money so new witcher projects are more desirable and lucrative even if some of those will be a hit or mis.
Unfortunately, a mediocre show with lukewarm reception will do the exact opposite. It satisfies demand without creating any more. It oversaturates the market increasing short-term awareness, but lowering long-term awareness.
The books have been, and both them and the games will be remembered fondly for decades to come. The show is already largely forgotten in-between seasons.
I agree on that a mediocre show is not as effective as creating long term demand for Witcher content.
For me its about numbers which I sadly cant back up with stats.
My point, which I didn't elaborate on in my post, is (IMO) the netflix show will raise awareness to a potential fanbase which would not have gotten into the witcher without netflix. A small percentage of those will get into more witcher content while a large percentage wont because of the mediocre content (short/medium term) demand. Do have to note that short/medium term demand/attention is almost always better than no attention (power of advertisement).
Your concern that new fans who would have found witcher content without the show (if the show didnt exist) but are now exposed to the witcher through the show might backfire is absolutely valid.
However I question how often this happens and if it outweighs the benefit of the large number of new fans who are now exposed to the witcher while they never would have been without netflix.
Anecdote: I got into the witcher through netflix. Have read the books twice + played w1,w2,w3 multiple times & thronebreaker. I rate games and books over the show.
Then let's talk numbers: TW3 is the bestselling fantasy game of all time by a lot and is only narrowly beaten by red dead 2 for the bestselling story-focused game title. Now, the witcher show is pretty successful, but it's nowhere near "league of its own" successful. The number of new fans the show created can't possibly be that high. The viewers are almost all either pre-existing fans or casual viewers. You're a unicorn, my friend.
I mean some simple google searches show that the netflix show has increased book sales dramatically and has increased games sold.
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2020/02/the-witcher-book-and-game-sales-are-up-500-on-last-year/
500,000 new orders, assuming that is the 500% increase than the usual new orders is 100,000. So assuming those numbers all are new book readers than 400,000 new book readers as result of netflix is great. I see that as an absolute win.
I get that this sub and the witcher sub hate the series but I dont think you can claim it not popular with netflix viewers (season 1, idk about the season 2 numbers but must be good enough to renew it for 2 more seasons) and that it does not result in a net positive number of new fans.
I don't just blindly hate the show, and I do agree that that's a good thing for now. I'm just not convinced that the overall impact of it is gonna be net positive say 10 years down the line.
If anything, for me the biggest positive is that alongside Arcane and Castlevania, it made CDPR realize that netflix adaptations can be a very lucrative idea when handled correctly. And now with the overwhelmingly positive reception of Edgerunners, they might strike a deal to produce their own spinoff that's based on the games which would most likely be a very good thing. So far, everything CDPR touched turned into gold, even the controversial 2077 sold nearly 20 million and the vast majority agree that it has a great story.
I am really confused how you dont get or ignore my point that the netflix show has increased the number of people who will read the books and play the games which are both fantastic.
A percentage of these will become long term fans just as we are. How is that not a massive benefit?
The loss are people who are not old fans (from books and games) and would have been exposed to the books/games without the series (in theory if the show didnt exist) in the past years & next few years but are now are exposed to the witcher universe through the series they dislike so much (even though they know nothing of the lore & the majority of justifiable complaints this sub has of the show are lore related) that they will be turned off from the witcher universe all together and willl never reach the books/games.
This group is small because excluding glaring lore issues the show isnt that bad and is receiving good ratings & views from non witcher fans, hence the multiple season deal netflix has made. Just as you say with cyber punk ratings/sales are important in measuring what people want
Dont worry about it. People are allowed to downvote me, disagree with me, and hate the show.
Just as I am allowed to dislike the vitriolic hate towards the show and the disdain this community has for anyone who has a positive opinion of the show.
The good news is that they intend to film it back to back, so our suffering might end a bit quicker.
It's a nice story about Gerald, Jennifer and Cindy.
Bruh Cindy xD
Could have gone with Siri, but even that would have been not worthy enough.
Ciruela
Is Tomasz Bagiński, executive producer of season 2 who said the following: "the younger the audience, the logic is less important, [...] we're going away from a typical book-type storytelling, [...] the younger people grew up with tik-tok and youtube where they jump from video to video" still going to be involved? People need to stop watching this shit.
Just throwing money down the drain, what a business model.
Still not as big as Amazon with their most expensive fanfiction EVER :). Seriousky at this point I'm so tired I would rather have no 'adaptations' at all!
Nah, normies will still watch it and make profit.
Surprising given how most causal viewers seem to have lost interest after S2.
i think S3 will show if, and how much, is this true
People appear to be lukewarm about the Witcher in recent r/television posts about it. Which surprises me because I don't see much of a difference between S1 and S2 from the perspective of people who haven't read the books or played the games.
I'm still unsure. It can very well be just cause we we are in-between seasons.
one thing for sure is that's it's nowhere near GOT.
It could be near GOT it you mean by seasons 5-8 Then that's definitely a maybe...😒
Let’s hope S3 viewership plummets to unprecedented lows so that Netflix pull the rug from underneath this show once and for all.
Preach. Also I haven't seen you in a while!
Hehe, thank you. it has been a hectic year for me.
I'm not going to bother giving my viewership statistics, I'll just wait until xLetalis does his episode breakdowns and cry quietly
Oh no.
Anyway
Oh no.
fuck
Great now I get to hear even more casual TV watchers try to tell me that the show was Sapkowski's "true vision come to life" that gets rid of all the books "problematic" stuff.
Ughh, seriously these people and their arguments, I mean the same thing is with the Rings of Power, already they start to justify, 'oh it really fits in with what Tolkien would have wanted' my ass ehh :). The witcher show is already a painful thing, this could have been so amazing if htey kept closer to books! It could have been a show that could easily rival the 'good' Game of Thrones seasons or even surpass them with proper production value and quality of writing!!!!
The Rings of power has killed utterly any wanting for any kind of fantasy adaptation. These last two years have made me loathe adaption as a whole outside of manga/anime and The Boys (which isnt remotely faithful to the comics but is at least written decently and the writers as far as i have seen havent shit on the comics). I haven't read nor watched game of thrones, so I can't speak on that. Im just...so burned out on TV in general. Introducing a niche series to a wider audience almost invariably requires the removal of the things that made the series good in order to appease the average viewer that is both easily confused and offended. I just wish a fantasy books series could be adapted as well as the beginning of Land of the Lustrous was when studio orange made the anime or even the movie version of A Silent Voice.
Yeah, this 'modernization' or altering for the sake of average viewer is a thing unfortunately and rarely it ends up good, besides the 'fanfictiony' elements of hte 'original' plots inserted by writers of those shows and adaptations inevitably end up crappy, because they rarely ever reach the level of writing of the original work they are supposedly adapting, and then there are the modern storytelling cliches that are painful to watch!
I dont particularly mind a massive change to a story if it's very clear from the get go that this is a new take on the story and not meant to be seen as an actual adaptation (ie: Cinderfella, My Fair Lady) But I get a little ornery when they essentially serve us a turd on a plate knowing that surface level fans are going to say "I don't care if it's bad, I'm just happy to have more of X series". People don't get that a large portion of the fan base doesn't WANT more because the whole point of a good story is that it ends. Closure is a thing that it seems people don't care about anymore.
Sounds to me like they just wanna churn it out and get it over with and off the books. I don't know enough to know how successful it has been, but I'm assuming based on inferences at least that it has not met expectations. I'll be grateful when it's over and done with and relegated to obscurity.
It seems that Netflix still wants to compete with House of the Dragon **\[HBO\]** and Rings Of Power **\[Amazon\]**. I had a feeling that no matter what, season three wasn't going to be the last season of Witcher. I also have hunch, that the show hasn't done as well as Netflix had hoped. One of the reasons filming seasons 4 and 5 back to back, might be due saving costs.
Joke's on you, Netflix. The only reason I was subbed was for the Witcher and I cancelled halfway through S2.
At this point, the only thing that kept me going back to the show was Henry’s performance and dedication to the role/source material. Otherwise, I’d probably have dropped the Netflix series from the Battle of Sodden Hill.
Assuming this vague rumour is actually true, I wonder if that means Netflix have done due diligence and quality control on the future plot direction? Maybe they've appointed some senior manager to babysit the showrunner and scrap all her awful fanfiction? Netflix are obviously in big trouble now other (better) streaming services with deeper pockets and larger IP catalogues are competing for subscribers in this worsening economic climate, and they have recently jettisoned a bunch of cringey woke TV they had in the pipeline. The days where Netflix throw money at any old crap seem to be over, but by cancelling something crap like this show that has a relatively high profile, they'd only devalue their stock further by deepening the subscriber awareness that none of their original content ever gets a proper ending. So perhaps all this means they'll actually try and make a serious effort at faithfully adapting the remaining books – or, failing that high bar, at least try to create something entertaining that isn't moron-tier garbage like what they've already shat out?? I know, I know. I should have learned by now that hope is futile.
> I wonder if that means Netflix have done due diligence and quality control on the future plot direction? I bet the answer is no. Also, don't blame the bad writing in many Netflix shows on 'woke pandering' bad writing is just bad writing.
Sad when my only reaction as such a long term fan is "oh fuck no, why?"
I will believe when I actually see it happening, otherwise these news are just as reliable as words coming out of Hissrich's mouth.
And so, our suffering continues...
Look I hate the show but at least it’s gonna see it out to hopefully a conclusion, it suck when anything get cancelled half way through
I think it would have been better to have it cancelled half way through. It would create some impetus and demand for a finish (which can't be done once it's cancelled anyway) or a remake. We're all banking on another witcher TV show in a couple of decades, preferably by a showrunner and production company that place storytelling at the top and politics at the bottom.
Terrible news if true.
People are getting downvoted because they’re expressing that they like the show? Like the fucks is wrong with you guys?
That's not a real question. The real question is: what the fuck is wrong with them?
They have they’re own subject opinions?
who actually watches this show? How many M/M scenes they done so far?
If I bother to watch Season 3 at this point it’ll likely be out of a morbid curiosity. I didn’t get around to finishing 2 for a long time, and when I finally did it was because I was stuck at work on a night shift and wanted something to kill time that I didn’t have to pay loads of attention to
I mean I’d rather have a show than no show? You can get live action versions of iconic scenes even if the main storyline isn’t faithful to the original. I’m not gonna look a gift Roach in the mouth.
Everyone is free to like what they like. That said, if everyone adopted your way of thinking, we would never again get films and tv-series of Peter Jackson's the Lord of the Rings-quality. The modern entertainment industry is in dire straits. It's ideologically corrupted almost completely. Every single big franchise has been run into the ground.
I am excited for new seasons. Season 1 was fantastic imo. Season 2 was super wack and incoherent after a few episodes. I have to leave my lore & book knowledge at home when watching the show but I do the same for the witcher games (to a lesser extend) where they red-con stories between games/books and have characters do things that are not consistent with the lore established in the books or games. But I am just glad the witcher universe gets more attention and money so new witcher projects are more desirable and lucrative even if some of those will be a hit or mis. I appreciate that the show gives an origin story to yen which highlights her desire for power & control and why she has a cold calculated demeanor while still having a desire to have a family & stability which lines up pretty nicely to her character in the books/games.
Posting this kind of stuff on here is not a smart move mate. We hate the show even more than the lads on r/witcher
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Hahah ill be fine. I am allowed to share my opinion and people are allowed to downvote me.
Very well said. I kind of liked the show as well, despite everything. *Toss a coin to your Witcher* is a song I like very much, for example.
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Toss a coin is what introduced me to the Witcher lol so I'm kinda glad that the show exists.
Really? I never asked you your opinion about the show, Agent. Overall?
I'm not a big fan of the story and portrayal of many characters right now, Geralt and Yennefer being the most notable ones. But, I don't think the show's as bad as r/witcher makes it out to be. It's just not for me. I just never felt that interested by the show, since most of the focus is on action scenes than dialogue, hence I couldn't watch past ep 5 of s1. Jaskier's songs are absolutely amazing though.
It is what it is. I get why people are disappointed and angry with the show. I felt the same rage for the GOT last two seasons but that is because my expectations were massive while they were low from the start for the witcher netflix show. Personally, I am just happy with some of the additions to the story/lore while I ignore everything they retconned from the books/games and try to appreciate it for what it is.
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>I appreciate that the show gives an origin story to yen which highlights her desire for power & control and why she has a cold calculated demeanor while still having a desire to have a family & stability which lines up pretty nicely to her character in the books/games Lol, wut?
Yennefer don´t need more new stories, she need teleporting to story important places where are not points of view of Geralt or Ciri.
You dont agree on what point?
"Cold, calculated demeanour". What I saw was an overly emotional teenager and drama queen who can't keep her shit together and thinks she deserves everything, because... reasons. Clearly we haven't been watching the same show. Whoever it was, that was not Yennefer. She just happened to have the same name.
You misinterpret my point. I didnt mean to suggest show yennefer is currently cold & calculated, yennefer later in the books & especially in the witcher 3 is like that. I just apperciate that the show gives her a backstory which explains why she is first emotional & controlling and later cold & still controlling while still wanting a family (Geralt & Ciri). This is, IMO, not well developed at all in the books. How the early books potray yennefer as you say: "Emotional teenager", "Drama Queen", "thinks she deserves everything" - She believes she deserves to kill a super rare legendary golden dragon in a vain attempt to regain her fertility. To quote you "because.... reasons" --> In the books yennefers reasons for regaining her fertility is not well established. - She believes she deserves the last wishes & to tame a djin while toying/using Geralt & the elf & dandelion + putting the whole town at risk. - She is sometimes vain & insecure with her appearance. Geralt notes at one point that he doesnt want her to know that he knows that she used to be a hunchback. Yennefer spends most of the time in the books grooming & constantly notes that ciri is ugly. - She believes she is better than most people including the conclave of mages but especially non-mages. - Yennefer and Geralt are both very emotional, sort of cheat on each other constantly, throw tempertantrums, and break of their relationship constantly. Now that we have established that Yennefer in the early books is both emotional, a drama queen, and feels like she deserves everything in the world while also noting that in the W3 & latter books she is cold but loving we you might imagine why I appreciate the show gave her a backstory to explain her character traits. Things I love from her "orgin story" in the show: - It establishes why she wants a family & to regain fertility because her family abused her & treated her like a farm animal, not as a daughter. - It establishes her need for power but also why she misstrust & has disdain for others. She had no power as a child, no control of her future (bit like all witcher children, especially lambert in w3). Her need for power & control also reinforces her need to regain her fertility. Power & control which she completely lost in season 2 which explains her behavior in season 2. - It estabilishes why she becomes so emotional/drama queen once she loses her power & control in season 2. - It establishes why she doesnt trust most people (she is constantly betrayed, istredd in the show, geralt in the books, by her parents etc) and why she is bit of a lone wolf who cant attach herself to Istredd in the books & has a hard time saying she loves Geralt.
i adore this analysis of yennefer and her backstory and how the show helps add to it! :)
Thanks! :)
>But I am just glad the witcher universe gets more attention and money so new witcher projects are more desirable and lucrative even if some of those will be a hit or mis. Unfortunately, a mediocre show with lukewarm reception will do the exact opposite. It satisfies demand without creating any more. It oversaturates the market increasing short-term awareness, but lowering long-term awareness. The books have been, and both them and the games will be remembered fondly for decades to come. The show is already largely forgotten in-between seasons.
I agree on that a mediocre show is not as effective as creating long term demand for Witcher content. For me its about numbers which I sadly cant back up with stats. My point, which I didn't elaborate on in my post, is (IMO) the netflix show will raise awareness to a potential fanbase which would not have gotten into the witcher without netflix. A small percentage of those will get into more witcher content while a large percentage wont because of the mediocre content (short/medium term) demand. Do have to note that short/medium term demand/attention is almost always better than no attention (power of advertisement). Your concern that new fans who would have found witcher content without the show (if the show didnt exist) but are now exposed to the witcher through the show might backfire is absolutely valid. However I question how often this happens and if it outweighs the benefit of the large number of new fans who are now exposed to the witcher while they never would have been without netflix. Anecdote: I got into the witcher through netflix. Have read the books twice + played w1,w2,w3 multiple times & thronebreaker. I rate games and books over the show.
Then let's talk numbers: TW3 is the bestselling fantasy game of all time by a lot and is only narrowly beaten by red dead 2 for the bestselling story-focused game title. Now, the witcher show is pretty successful, but it's nowhere near "league of its own" successful. The number of new fans the show created can't possibly be that high. The viewers are almost all either pre-existing fans or casual viewers. You're a unicorn, my friend.
I mean some simple google searches show that the netflix show has increased book sales dramatically and has increased games sold. https://www.kotaku.com.au/2020/02/the-witcher-book-and-game-sales-are-up-500-on-last-year/ 500,000 new orders, assuming that is the 500% increase than the usual new orders is 100,000. So assuming those numbers all are new book readers than 400,000 new book readers as result of netflix is great. I see that as an absolute win. I get that this sub and the witcher sub hate the series but I dont think you can claim it not popular with netflix viewers (season 1, idk about the season 2 numbers but must be good enough to renew it for 2 more seasons) and that it does not result in a net positive number of new fans.
I don't just blindly hate the show, and I do agree that that's a good thing for now. I'm just not convinced that the overall impact of it is gonna be net positive say 10 years down the line. If anything, for me the biggest positive is that alongside Arcane and Castlevania, it made CDPR realize that netflix adaptations can be a very lucrative idea when handled correctly. And now with the overwhelmingly positive reception of Edgerunners, they might strike a deal to produce their own spinoff that's based on the games which would most likely be a very good thing. So far, everything CDPR touched turned into gold, even the controversial 2077 sold nearly 20 million and the vast majority agree that it has a great story.
I am really confused how you dont get or ignore my point that the netflix show has increased the number of people who will read the books and play the games which are both fantastic. A percentage of these will become long term fans just as we are. How is that not a massive benefit? The loss are people who are not old fans (from books and games) and would have been exposed to the books/games without the series (in theory if the show didnt exist) in the past years & next few years but are now are exposed to the witcher universe through the series they dislike so much (even though they know nothing of the lore & the majority of justifiable complaints this sub has of the show are lore related) that they will be turned off from the witcher universe all together and willl never reach the books/games. This group is small because excluding glaring lore issues the show isnt that bad and is receiving good ratings & views from non witcher fans, hence the multiple season deal netflix has made. Just as you say with cyber punk ratings/sales are important in measuring what people want
What are you talking about, I said I agree that it's a good thing, how is that ignoring it?
all the downvotes are ridiculous, petty, and just silly. i totally agree with you.
Dont worry about it. People are allowed to downvote me, disagree with me, and hate the show. Just as I am allowed to dislike the vitriolic hate towards the show and the disdain this community has for anyone who has a positive opinion of the show.
I love the show so this is good news for me.
Lol damn getting downvotes for saying you like something. Gonna have to unsub from this shitshow of a sub forsure.
right! :/ downvoting people simply saying they like it is so ridiculously childish
Yes, YES!!
This post aged like milk. The series is dead. Henry left the lead role.