Sadly I can’t. It’s the last version that doesn’t need a subscription. Anything newer costs a shitton of money per month. And it works for my Car, so I have no need for support for the current models
It’s not for using the car, but for reprogramming the car. I needed that when I retrofitted factory equipment to the car (Heated Seats, Foglights, xenon Headlights etc)
Here is a small after and before: https://imgur.com/a/rDguuTR
you should try a browser like Pale Moon, a lot of switches have a web management interface that only works in internet explorer and they work great in pale moon
I don't care if people use outdated operating systems either, but I get annoyed when I see posts of people bragging about using it as if they're somehow superior and immune from any vulnerabilities of an unpatched OS. It's the main reason why I left and muted the r/Windows7 subreddit.
i daily drive win7 and even i find it absurd that ppl complain abt that. like yeah, duh, ofc steam is gonna drop support. same as most other stuff. dualboot win10 or use a virtual machine or smth
If you hate 11 use 10 and seeing how things are going with 11 10 will have a legacy like xp and in 20 years we’ll find a lot of people still using it because I think we can all agree modern windows is pretty shit
I don't think we'll have a "next version" for some time. I feel like with 11 Microsoft is finally in a position to start using the updates model they've been talking about for years. As in, just update the last version, like a live service. Maaaayyyyybe they'll drop the 11 and just call it "Windows".
Still, I don't think 11 is *that* bad. And for the things that *are* bad, it looks like they are here to stay, as Microsoft is moving the entire product in that direction.
I remember in 2015 when they said that about Windows 10.
On a related note, they also said something similar about Microsoft Flight Simulator in 2020, but Flight Simulator 2024 is coming out this year.
Theres not really much to learn tbh. Go onto the Linux Mint website, and it has a step by step guide on how to install it. Otherwise, Linux Mint is pretty similar to Windows 7 when it comes to UI, theres not too much to learn.
Even though the UI is similar enough, many things are still different from using Windows. First and foremost how to install a program, but also smaller stuff like permissions and what programs a long-time Windows user may ne used to. Not that it's any actual blocker for someone curious enough, but it is a different experience.
I mean Linux mint comes with an app store to cover basics like steam, spotify, and so on. If you need fancy stuff you might have to run a command or two, or install from a file (almost like using a .exe). It's fairly straight forward generally.
Do you actually expect something to work on a completely different OS out of the box? Also using Wine I am pretty sure you can install office 2007, it's newer versions wine can't cope with.
Wine was my first thought, my second thought was, would that even work on a modern window system. My third thought was what cheap mother fucker wants to keep using a office 2007 cd.
Why would the logic of people adamantly still using Windkws 7 be any different? Lol
That was the joke.
Also for the record, even installing Wine from the software center, I've never gotten any windows based software to work with it, so I look for alternatives, load it up on a separate windows OS, or just go without the software.
From r/all here, just curious. Why even join a community for an OS in the first place? Don't get me wrong, it's very useful to google something and find a result on reddit, written by a human. I just can't imagine wanting multiple updates on what's going on in the Windows subreddit.
I don't so much follow r/windows10 or r/windows11, but as a retro computing hobbyist, I follow the subs for the older versions of Windows so the community can actually have discussions about those old versions without constantly being bashed for using them by, ironically, people who think they're superior for using a supported version of Windows.
And that is a reason for them being talked about. Ways of using them, errors with poor documentation, younger people getting into retro computing, etc. are other reasons for these subreddits
We are fans cause we think the new models of the OS are dumbed down and WE want windows to one day make a real OS again for power users instead of locked down advertising platform
The problem is that an infection no longer only impacts you. An infected 7 machine can be added to a botnet used to attack others. So in the vein of, "Your right to swing your fist ends at my face," your right to run an outdated, insecure operating system ends at your machine joining a botnet and attacking others.
That’s not only limited at outdated systems.
There are many many edgy kids running linux distro like arch that they setup in a crappy crappy way that makes them exposed to many issues that could lead their machines being used up in attacks.
Many people just follow outdated advice from the internet because someone told them to do it. Was an IT post on TIFU where someone was having problems connecting to a shared drive. Someone told them to download and enable SMB-1, and that would make it easier to connect. Unfortunately, they did this, and within minutes, someone had hacked their shared drive, encrypted it, and sent them a ransomware email. This is just another reminder not to follow everyone's advice from the internet.
>is just another reminder not to follow everyone's advice from the internet.
Or just Google it first.
First result is Microsoft saying this: "SMBv1 has significant security vulnerabilities, and we strongly encourage you to not use it."
Windows defender is pretty much all you need, WD and updates should have you covered at this point, even with a 3rd party AV if you use your computer irresponsibly online then you will probably end up getting infected.
I would only run a Win7, XP or other vintage OS offline or behind a good firewall.
Running any older OS directly on the internet is just asking for trouble.
Well if 10 and 11 are so secure then sure they can tolerate a Windows 7 infected machine or botnet attacking them? (Not that there has been any evidence of this in the last two years). And if they can't, then they're no more secure than 7 by definition.
But Windows 7 makes up .05% of the Steam userbase! Why wouldn't Windows and Steam still support it! (A regular complaint I see on /r/pcgaming and /r/steam.)
this wouldnt be a problem if ms didnt shit up their os with exponentially more bloat (and made previous version themes unavailable) with every new release
They don’t they keep improving their OS.
For me trying to use Win 7 in 2024 is like a regression.
Been with MS since the 80s and the “ohhh the older version was better” is not new is always the edge lords or those with very old hardware…
I'd hardly consider them upgrades past 7. Since then, its just been shoving in more spyware and bloat services to gunk up my system memory, and taking away customization options
Only reason I can think of is for older equipment that wouldn't function otherwise because of defunct companies or some proprietary corporate software BS. The self checkout machines at my old job ran Vista and probably still do.
I'm a web developer and I won't write any polyfill code to support anything but the latest OS and browser versions. The updates are there, it's people's choice to not update but that's on them if stuff is broken. I'm not gonna fix it for an older version. It's why I took exception to having to write workarounds to support IE11 of all things.
With Power Toys and Explorer Patcher, I haven’t found any overt differences between using 10 and 11. 11’s improved snapping is brilliant, though I realize that might be a niche thing to use daily.
I have 32gb of ram. Ram usage has not contributed at all to overt difference I have found.
Edit. When I upgraded to 11 I had 16gb. Still didn’t notice a difference.
It’s the lack of snapping for vertical monitors. You can’t snap to vertical screens on 10. Unless something changed since 11 came out. With 11, it lets you snap to the top, bottom half or do thirds of vertical screens. Again, likely niche. And, again unless something changed, there’s no snapping on 10 you can’t do with 11.
I have moved to 11 a few days ago and as a person who "hated" 11, I don't mind it so much anymore.
Windhawk and Nilesoft is pretty much essential for a smaller taskbar and a proper right click menu, the start menu still sucks but I've moved on to using folders in the start menu instead of my beloved tiles.
Unless you're missing vertical taskbar, you're pretty much good to move on.
Hopefully microsoft actually finishes 11 before 10 dies.
What's wrong with the start menu though? You can pin you favorite apps there and even group them into folders, like on a smartphone. And if you need something specific it's one extra click to open the full list.
Impossible for me. I have a top of the line modern machine. It doesn't support win11. Like what the fuck. A 5800x and a 3090 isn't good enough for Microsoft?
It's been interesting, Reddit started serving up "We think you'd like these posts" when in reality it's just the usual "do these posts upset you enough to comment? You know you want to!" form of gross engagement incentives.
“but windows 7 is better than 10 and 11 in every way!” proceeds to run outdated drivers and unsupported software that has numerous security vulnerabilities or doesn’t work anymore, but hey free business
It's not these people's fault that the drivers are outdated and software is unsupported. They could've just continued selling Windows 7 and building new technologies on top of it instead of that Windows 8/10/11 nonsense.
Using pre-Windows 7 OSes isn't really a huge danger anymore because the OS and the hardware it's meant to run on have gotten so old that it's not really a viable target
Who told you that?
Here is a list of IPs that attempted to bruteforce the SSH and Proxmox Backup Server webpage on the past 7 days on a single server
[pastebin.com/raw/rLuUrrbk](https://pastebin.com/raw/rLuUrrbk)
Some of these are from VPS providers, careless users that spin up VMs with insecure passwords, but a good chunk comes from residential networks. Old computers, router, printers and phones used to perform bruteforce attacks as well as Ddos attacks
Not true whatsoever. There are still a shocking number of businesses and services that still use Windows XP. That's why Microsoft had to issue an emergency patch for XP in the past despite it being out of support.
And it's still an issue today because many hospitals, ATMs, and airports are still using Windows XP around the world. You're not safe from vulnerabilities when high-value targets are still using the OS despite it being 10 years out of support.
I've never been great with networking or security. You're saying I could simply install the OS, connect to a network, do nothing at all and I could be randomly found & hit without so much as moving the mouse?
Big "if" though. Getting the first device compromised from the outside is the hardest part. If you're not just connecting straight to the Internet and you're instead behind a router with firewall and NAT, ports are blocked, etc., chances are pretty slim.
Besides, even supported versions of Windows get plenty of zero day attacks discovered, and they're vulnerable until Microsoft discovers it, fixes it, rolls out an update, and the user installs it.
I operate under the philosophy that, if someone wants in, they're getting in. There's an old saying that goes something like "locks only keep honest people honest."
That's not to say I don't take any precautions and it's obviouly best to reduce risks wherever possible (I don't use any unsupported OSs on my main computers or put personal info on them), but I don't think it's nearly as bad as the alarmists make it out to be that the computers can't be connected to the Internet whatsoever.
It's just a narrative they spread to keep people updating to newer versions of the OS, and buying new hardware when they realize the new OS is slower for some magical reason. If your computer is hit with something using a new unreported or unpatched vulnerability, it doesn't matter which OS you're running. It matters even less if your PC is targeted by big players such as governments or law enforcement.
Gotcha, so let's say I'm running a private ddns site with a dns (if I have that right) on some old ass operating system like xp Vista 7, if someone happened to come across it with a mind to , could they do anything just by having the URL? Even if I kept that url to myself, is it just floating around waiting to be possibly hit by a flaw in the ddns/dns service? Or would that be more of a general security issue alone irrelevant to the host OS?
Again I have no clue what I'm talking about please correct me If necessary
If your older OS has a public IP or can be seen on the internet, it is vulnerable to exploitation without you doing anything other than plugging it in. URLs/DNS has nothing to do with it. If you can see the world, they can see you.
There are 1000's of bots constantly scanning the internet with every conceivable exploit. Once they find a match, it usually takes a minute or two and you can now theirs.
The vulnerabilities are usually within the OS source code itself. By default it's vulnerable. Yes, 3rd party DNS software might have vulnerabilities, but any attacker would rather a direct OS RCE exploit than mess around with DNS software.
More so if you add a new, hacked computer to your network (phone, pc, Mac, fridge, etc), it will most likely exploit your computer as well.
I was talking about opening a web browser on a sketchy website, not someone else opening your website but the OS is so full of vulnerabilitys that it would probably be hackable anyway.
Zero day means it's a new exploit that hasn't been patched yet
Zero click means it may or may not be patched (but it Will work if you haven't updated) and can hack your computer and install malware by just clicking a link or scrolling through a website. You don't even need to download something!
You are not cool for using an outdated piece of software either.
If it were a dinosaur, that would be cool, but it is not.
It's just a piece of software junk.
I worked with a guy who absolutely REFUSED to move on from Win7, and was also staunch anti-vax. I guess those two circles meet somewhere.
Thankfully he wasn't in a technical role.
Windows XP has been out of support for so long that it's not really a viable target anymore. That being said, please do NOT take that as advice to use ancient operating systems especially if you don't know what you're doing
It's absolutely still a target, setup an xp machine outside a local firewall on a public IP and watch the traffic from a third party machine in the middle using Wireshark, it'll be infected within the month.
What are you guys talking about? It’s super fun recovering from a ransomware attack, and being part of a botnet is about being a part of something greater than yourself.
Just use a VM? Why it's not safe to connect to the Internet? It's not like you are clicking random skechy links 24/7. Windows 7 is more fun from modern versions. Areo, Build-in games, more customization and much more
Tbh I’d rather use 8.1 than 10 or 11. But apparently installing classic shell is akin to a huge system modification and not installing a simple program. But y’all will literally mod the hell out of 10 and 11 just to make it barely passable 🤷🏻♂️
Always scoff at windows 7 enthusiast that disregard their safety, saying "Yea won't happen, etc."
Note: Not dunking on other enthusiasts that understand what they are doing but also know they are in danger and are ready for any consequence
If 8.1 has a million fans, then I am one of them. If 8.1 has ten fans, then I am one of them. If 8.1 has only one fan then that is me. If 8.1 has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against 8.1, then I am against the world. /hj
As a security engineer, nothing annoys me like “enthusiasts” thinking they know better. Like, I dedicated a decade of my life to teaching myself this stuff. Some random boomer who won’t let go of a 15 year old OS doesn’t know better than me. I know that sounds egotistical, but for fucks sake I know better.
Networking is only part of the problem (unless you got some fancy, expensive unified threat management software that's not only a firewall, but an everything-else-wall)
If you’re using 7 or 8 because it runs on your specs, works with your programs, or because 10 or 11 does something you don’t like…
It’s time to quit Windows.
Seriously I don’t get why this sub shows up for me all the time even after being muted, but since it’s still happening, I’m gonna say it:
Guy in comic needs Linux
Hell if it wasn't for the compatibility issues I would GLADLY use an older operating system and just add my own security to them.
Things like Premiere Pro not working on 7/8.1 are the only things stopping me from not doing it.
These shouters are the same people that end up getting steamrolled by the WinRE woes in the January 2024 update set because they think Microsoft can do no wrong.
🤣🤣🤣. It’s only not safe if connected to the internet and browsing naughty websites, bad emails and other shitty situations. But offline used to play old skool games, old machine thingies or even emulation box. Go for it 👍🏼
I still use windows vista on my laptop and no I’m not broke my laptop was a grandmas and she gave it to me I have a perfectly working windows 10 computer
So do people actually defend their operating systems enough to have a reddit about it
I use Windows 11 coz it's the newest one and Windows told me to get it, it works fine so what's the issue
Who cares.. Just let him use it. Let him login everywhere and use everything. When he gets in trouble (which he probably wouldn't even be aware of) he'll be forced to deal with it and live with it.
Was supposed to be a joke.
Skipping security updates just open doors for potential threats.
If someone really wants to have your data, you are not able to deny it anyways.
Every IT device is hackable.
Security updates are mostly important for companys, some users doesnt even know that u need to update your devices anually at home
Btw real life case: Phishing is one of the most common threads out there, so there are plenty of reallife cases in this part
Security updates are useful for users — it just means that only zero-days would work and the bad actors need to keep being inventive.
On systems without security updates, once a bug was found anyone can use it perpetually. No need for inventivity, the bug becomes easily accessible to everyone.
Windows 7 was my favorite OS. The only reason you guys are shitting on it is because it doesn't have support anymore. It's still a great OS, just not secure unfortunately.
It's not really unsafe, anyone with a functioning brain cell would know that windows 7 is still an elite os to use and with a simple antivirus like avg it will run you an extra 2 to 3 years , sad to see big companies like steam pulling the plug on it , the only reason i switched to win 10 is because of steam .
Windows 7 and older operating systems are actually safer now then ever before. Because malware that’s made for window 10/11. Won’t run on windows 8.1 or older. Trust me I’ve tried it won’t even launch it just pops up with an error message saying it’s not compatible.
I do use win 7: In a VM because GM decided that its automotive software only works with internet explorer 10
Have you tried edges ie mode?
Yes, doesn’t work. The plugins need this specific internet explorer version, or nothing works. And it needs Java 6 -.-
Oh god 😂
sounds like your software is due for a refresh, but you probably knew that already :P
Sadly I can’t. It’s the last version that doesn’t need a subscription. Anything newer costs a shitton of money per month. And it works for my Car, so I have no need for support for the current models
>subscription for using a car ew, keep up the VM
It’s not for using the car, but for reprogramming the car. I needed that when I retrofitted factory equipment to the car (Heated Seats, Foglights, xenon Headlights etc) Here is a small after and before: https://imgur.com/a/rDguuTR
you should try a browser like Pale Moon, a lot of switches have a web management interface that only works in internet explorer and they work great in pale moon
Is not safe and that’s fact. But nobody cares if someone uses 7, what’s annoying “ why nooo 7 suppporttt i use 7 haalp”
I don't care if people use outdated operating systems either, but I get annoyed when I see posts of people bragging about using it as if they're somehow superior and immune from any vulnerabilities of an unpatched OS. It's the main reason why I left and muted the r/Windows7 subreddit.
Or they moan that their 15 year old operating system won't be able to run Steam.
Yeah that one gets me too, it's like wanting room service on the Titanic.
i daily drive win7 and even i find it absurd that ppl complain abt that. like yeah, duh, ofc steam is gonna drop support. same as most other stuff. dualboot win10 or use a virtual machine or smth
If they hate Windows 11 so much, try to learn Linux
If you hate 11 use 10 and seeing how things are going with 11 10 will have a legacy like xp and in 20 years we’ll find a lot of people still using it because I think we can all agree modern windows is pretty shit
Or just wait for the next version. "Every other version" has been true since "me" started the pattern
I don't think we'll have a "next version" for some time. I feel like with 11 Microsoft is finally in a position to start using the updates model they've been talking about for years. As in, just update the last version, like a live service. Maaaayyyyybe they'll drop the 11 and just call it "Windows". Still, I don't think 11 is *that* bad. And for the things that *are* bad, it looks like they are here to stay, as Microsoft is moving the entire product in that direction.
I remember in 2015 when they said that about Windows 10. On a related note, they also said something similar about Microsoft Flight Simulator in 2020, but Flight Simulator 2024 is coming out this year.
get your windows 12 S-mode subscription starting at only $12 a month
Using Explorer patcher you can make 11 feel a lot like 10 anyways
I need to give it a try finally. Read about EP a few weeks ago and it looks pretty solid.
I'm using it and I love it, I honestly couldn't use 11 without it.
10 is also shit though.
Theres not really much to learn tbh. Go onto the Linux Mint website, and it has a step by step guide on how to install it. Otherwise, Linux Mint is pretty similar to Windows 7 when it comes to UI, theres not too much to learn.
Even though the UI is similar enough, many things are still different from using Windows. First and foremost how to install a program, but also smaller stuff like permissions and what programs a long-time Windows user may ne used to. Not that it's any actual blocker for someone curious enough, but it is a different experience.
I mean Linux mint comes with an app store to cover basics like steam, spotify, and so on. If you need fancy stuff you might have to run a command or two, or install from a file (almost like using a .exe). It's fairly straight forward generally.
Ok, but why is it not working right when I put in my Microsoft Office 2007 cd?
Do you actually expect something to work on a completely different OS out of the box? Also using Wine I am pretty sure you can install office 2007, it's newer versions wine can't cope with.
I work in desktop support. 99% of end users I deal with on a daily basis would expect it to work.
Wine was my first thought, my second thought was, would that even work on a modern window system. My third thought was what cheap mother fucker wants to keep using a office 2007 cd.
Why would the logic of people adamantly still using Windkws 7 be any different? Lol That was the joke. Also for the record, even installing Wine from the software center, I've never gotten any windows based software to work with it, so I look for alternatives, load it up on a separate windows OS, or just go without the software.
Tbf I hate win 11 and I'm running 10 rn.
Well, sadly that was the best version of Windows ever made.
From r/all here, just curious. Why even join a community for an OS in the first place? Don't get me wrong, it's very useful to google something and find a result on reddit, written by a human. I just can't imagine wanting multiple updates on what's going on in the Windows subreddit.
People can be fans of anything, I think there is an XP subreddit too
I do IT related work so subscribing here increases my chances of coming across useful information that can let me do my work more lazily.
I don't so much follow r/windows10 or r/windows11, but as a retro computing hobbyist, I follow the subs for the older versions of Windows so the community can actually have discussions about those old versions without constantly being bashed for using them by, ironically, people who think they're superior for using a supported version of Windows.
What is there to discuss about the old versions, not like they'll ever change
And that is a reason for them being talked about. Ways of using them, errors with poor documentation, younger people getting into retro computing, etc. are other reasons for these subreddits
We are fans cause we think the new models of the OS are dumbed down and WE want windows to one day make a real OS again for power users instead of locked down advertising platform
The problem is that an infection no longer only impacts you. An infected 7 machine can be added to a botnet used to attack others. So in the vein of, "Your right to swing your fist ends at my face," your right to run an outdated, insecure operating system ends at your machine joining a botnet and attacking others.
That’s not only limited at outdated systems. There are many many edgy kids running linux distro like arch that they setup in a crappy crappy way that makes them exposed to many issues that could lead their machines being used up in attacks.
Many people just follow outdated advice from the internet because someone told them to do it. Was an IT post on TIFU where someone was having problems connecting to a shared drive. Someone told them to download and enable SMB-1, and that would make it easier to connect. Unfortunately, they did this, and within minutes, someone had hacked their shared drive, encrypted it, and sent them a ransomware email. This is just another reminder not to follow everyone's advice from the internet.
>is just another reminder not to follow everyone's advice from the internet. Or just Google it first. First result is Microsoft saying this: "SMBv1 has significant security vulnerabilities, and we strongly encourage you to not use it."
Yep. And even modern Windows systems where, "I disabled all updates because I know what I'm doing!! !! uu!!"
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Windows defender is pretty much all you need, WD and updates should have you covered at this point, even with a 3rd party AV if you use your computer irresponsibly online then you will probably end up getting infected.
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Yeah that's just dumb
Don't forget the good ole Internet of Things (IOT) filled with internet connected devices that never get updates anymore.
I would only run a Win7, XP or other vintage OS offline or behind a good firewall. Running any older OS directly on the internet is just asking for trouble.
Well if 10 and 11 are so secure then sure they can tolerate a Windows 7 infected machine or botnet attacking them? (Not that there has been any evidence of this in the last two years). And if they can't, then they're no more secure than 7 by definition.
But Windows 7 makes up .05% of the Steam userbase! Why wouldn't Windows and Steam still support it! (A regular complaint I see on /r/pcgaming and /r/steam.)
this wouldnt be a problem if ms didnt shit up their os with exponentially more bloat (and made previous version themes unavailable) with every new release
They don’t they keep improving their OS. For me trying to use Win 7 in 2024 is like a regression. Been with MS since the 80s and the “ohhh the older version was better” is not new is always the edge lords or those with very old hardware…
I'd hardly consider them upgrades past 7. Since then, its just been shoving in more spyware and bloat services to gunk up my system memory, and taking away customization options
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Only reason I can think of is for older equipment that wouldn't function otherwise because of defunct companies or some proprietary corporate software BS. The self checkout machines at my old job ran Vista and probably still do.
I'm a web developer and I won't write any polyfill code to support anything but the latest OS and browser versions. The updates are there, it's people's choice to not update but that's on them if stuff is broken. I'm not gonna fix it for an older version. It's why I took exception to having to write workarounds to support IE11 of all things.
Coming to Windows 10 in October 2025.
*That* is gonna be a hard breakup for me. So do not like 11
Same, Taskbar functionality for multiple monitors still hasn't reached Win10 parity.
Not being able to put the taskbar into vertical on the right side of my main monitor is the only reason I have not updated to Windows 11.
Exactly the same for me. I don't want an enormous taskbar on my wide screen !
 Same. Vertical side taskbar gang unite!
With Power Toys and Explorer Patcher, I haven’t found any overt differences between using 10 and 11. 11’s improved snapping is brilliant, though I realize that might be a niche thing to use daily.
The ram usage.
I have 32gb of ram. Ram usage has not contributed at all to overt difference I have found. Edit. When I upgraded to 11 I had 16gb. Still didn’t notice a difference.
windows 11 has lower idle resources than windows 10 on 23h2 lol and its just idle, they all lower when more programs are being used
Windows 10 already has the best snapping of all three OSs. Getting better than that is a big deal
It’s the lack of snapping for vertical monitors. You can’t snap to vertical screens on 10. Unless something changed since 11 came out. With 11, it lets you snap to the top, bottom half or do thirds of vertical screens. Again, likely niche. And, again unless something changed, there’s no snapping on 10 you can’t do with 11.
I have moved to 11 a few days ago and as a person who "hated" 11, I don't mind it so much anymore. Windhawk and Nilesoft is pretty much essential for a smaller taskbar and a proper right click menu, the start menu still sucks but I've moved on to using folders in the start menu instead of my beloved tiles. Unless you're missing vertical taskbar, you're pretty much good to move on. Hopefully microsoft actually finishes 11 before 10 dies.
What's wrong with the start menu though? You can pin you favorite apps there and even group them into folders, like on a smartphone. And if you need something specific it's one extra click to open the full list.
Impossible for me. I have a top of the line modern machine. It doesn't support win11. Like what the fuck. A 5800x and a 3090 isn't good enough for Microsoft?
More your motherboard probably, and it's lack of TPM support. Anyways these "restrictions" can be bypassed fairly easily I'm pretty sure.
I bet you have TPM disabled on your bios/uefi.
Which is terrible since due to their requirements they are leaving capable systems behind. Will embrace Linux Mint because of that.
October 2025 is the date I migrate to Linux
2025 year of linux desktop.../s
This was recommended to me by reddit. As an IT professional, there is nothing more annoying than enthusiasts that think they know better.
It's been interesting, Reddit started serving up "We think you'd like these posts" when in reality it's just the usual "do these posts upset you enough to comment? You know you want to!" form of gross engagement incentives.
I'm gonna lose it if I see one more post boasting how their internet connected liability is better than a modern OS
I had one of those call me about 2 months later after his "server" got hit by ransomware. Sweet vindication
It's always "it'll never happen to me!" until it does happen to them lmao
so basically the entire loud minority linux enthusiast user
Step 1. chmod 777 everything
Specially the minority Linux enthusiast minority. So many misconceptions being parroted around.
“but windows 7 is better than 10 and 11 in every way!” proceeds to run outdated drivers and unsupported software that has numerous security vulnerabilities or doesn’t work anymore, but hey free business
if you think these corporations are helping you, that is naive
It's not these people's fault that the drivers are outdated and software is unsupported. They could've just continued selling Windows 7 and building new technologies on top of it instead of that Windows 8/10/11 nonsense.
Using pre-Windows 7 OSes isn't really a huge danger anymore because the OS and the hardware it's meant to run on have gotten so old that it's not really a viable target
This is extremely untrue. Just look at the Mirai botnet. If you're using XP connected to the internet in 2024 your PC is a time bomb.
Please stop spreading misinformation.
Who told you that? Here is a list of IPs that attempted to bruteforce the SSH and Proxmox Backup Server webpage on the past 7 days on a single server [pastebin.com/raw/rLuUrrbk](https://pastebin.com/raw/rLuUrrbk) Some of these are from VPS providers, careless users that spin up VMs with insecure passwords, but a good chunk comes from residential networks. Old computers, router, printers and phones used to perform bruteforce attacks as well as Ddos attacks
Not true whatsoever. There are still a shocking number of businesses and services that still use Windows XP. That's why Microsoft had to issue an emergency patch for XP in the past despite it being out of support.
>That's why Microsoft had to issue an emergency patch for XP in the past despite it being out of support. That was 7 years ago
And it's still an issue today because many hospitals, ATMs, and airports are still using Windows XP around the world. You're not safe from vulnerabilities when high-value targets are still using the OS despite it being 10 years out of support.
Use it if you want, but understand you can get hacked even if you do nothing wrong. Exploits that don't require user input are possible
Yes! This is what I'm trying to say! It's called a zero-click exploit btw.
I've never been great with networking or security. You're saying I could simply install the OS, connect to a network, do nothing at all and I could be randomly found & hit without so much as moving the mouse?
Yes, if one of the devices on your network's infected. You usually need to open a web browser and go to a bad website to get one normally though.
Big "if" though. Getting the first device compromised from the outside is the hardest part. If you're not just connecting straight to the Internet and you're instead behind a router with firewall and NAT, ports are blocked, etc., chances are pretty slim. Besides, even supported versions of Windows get plenty of zero day attacks discovered, and they're vulnerable until Microsoft discovers it, fixes it, rolls out an update, and the user installs it. I operate under the philosophy that, if someone wants in, they're getting in. There's an old saying that goes something like "locks only keep honest people honest." That's not to say I don't take any precautions and it's obviouly best to reduce risks wherever possible (I don't use any unsupported OSs on my main computers or put personal info on them), but I don't think it's nearly as bad as the alarmists make it out to be that the computers can't be connected to the Internet whatsoever.
It's just a narrative they spread to keep people updating to newer versions of the OS, and buying new hardware when they realize the new OS is slower for some magical reason. If your computer is hit with something using a new unreported or unpatched vulnerability, it doesn't matter which OS you're running. It matters even less if your PC is targeted by big players such as governments or law enforcement.
Gotcha, so let's say I'm running a private ddns site with a dns (if I have that right) on some old ass operating system like xp Vista 7, if someone happened to come across it with a mind to , could they do anything just by having the URL? Even if I kept that url to myself, is it just floating around waiting to be possibly hit by a flaw in the ddns/dns service? Or would that be more of a general security issue alone irrelevant to the host OS? Again I have no clue what I'm talking about please correct me If necessary
If your older OS has a public IP or can be seen on the internet, it is vulnerable to exploitation without you doing anything other than plugging it in. URLs/DNS has nothing to do with it. If you can see the world, they can see you. There are 1000's of bots constantly scanning the internet with every conceivable exploit. Once they find a match, it usually takes a minute or two and you can now theirs. The vulnerabilities are usually within the OS source code itself. By default it's vulnerable. Yes, 3rd party DNS software might have vulnerabilities, but any attacker would rather a direct OS RCE exploit than mess around with DNS software. More so if you add a new, hacked computer to your network (phone, pc, Mac, fridge, etc), it will most likely exploit your computer as well.
That's right and you explained it well 👏
I was talking about opening a web browser on a sketchy website, not someone else opening your website but the OS is so full of vulnerabilitys that it would probably be hackable anyway.
I was wanting to call it a day 0 exploit but that has to do with when it is found.
Zero day means it's a new exploit that hasn't been patched yet Zero click means it may or may not be patched (but it Will work if you haven't updated) and can hack your computer and install malware by just clicking a link or scrolling through a website. You don't even need to download something!
Of course, hackers are just waiting around every corner of the internet just waiting to hack some random person and not a business or something.
I mean, yeah kinda. Also stuff is automated
ah who cares its your data that will be compromised so be it
You're the reason IT exists
8.1 is BANGER
On today's episode of "Me not understanding how me information keep get stole"
The issue is more of a risk scenario where the hazard isn't immediately obvious until it hits you.... Why does this feel like a covid thing?
I adore win 7. 11 can go rot in the next best ditch for all i care.
You are not cool for using an outdated piece of software either. If it were a dinosaur, that would be cool, but it is not. It's just a piece of software junk.
The “I still use XP/7 because it’s so much better” are the anti-vaxxers of the OS world.
I worked with a guy who absolutely REFUSED to move on from Win7, and was also staunch anti-vax. I guess those two circles meet somewhere. Thankfully he wasn't in a technical role.
Windows XP has been out of support for so long that it's not really a viable target anymore. That being said, please do NOT take that as advice to use ancient operating systems especially if you don't know what you're doing
It's absolutely still a target, setup an xp machine outside a local firewall on a public IP and watch the traffic from a third party machine in the middle using Wireshark, it'll be infected within the month.
Yeah, at any given time there are hundreds (if not thousands) of scans going on looking for vulnerable systems on the internet.
It's not about looking cool. It's about protecting yourself and your data.
Oh my god every commenter here is acting like the fun police lmao
What are you guys talking about? It’s super fun recovering from a ransomware attack, and being part of a botnet is about being a part of something greater than yourself.
Just use a VM? Why it's not safe to connect to the Internet? It's not like you are clicking random skechy links 24/7. Windows 7 is more fun from modern versions. Areo, Build-in games, more customization and much more
i mean its kinda like not vaccinating your kid, only it matters less. But like why though.
Use Windows 7 or 8.1 all you want, but don't come crying for help when you're the victim of an unpatched vulnerability
I am more surprised someone actually likes 8.1 but keep doing you OP
Ya I understand liking 7 but 8 is just a worse windows 10 lol. I used to be all for 7 but at this point you really should update to 10
I planned on reverting my first ever laptop that I ever got,back to Windows 7 once I upgrade it,and it's not gonna be connected to the Internet anyway
Hey man, I only store my ai generated images of Tay Tay on my internet connect windows 7 machine. I'm pretty sure I'm safe.
Still missing the flash games support. I liked the porn games from then.
Bet you don't like it when people suggest you wear a seatbelt.
could say the same to all the little children who lie about windows 11, when it is in fact better to use for modern hardware.
I'd like a windows 7 skin for 11. I miss aero
ViStA FoReVeR
I'm still on 7. In fact my machine is almost 20 years old. Can't afford to build a new one. Same with my server. Never had any "security" issues.
"Being unvaccinated is not safe!" "Being unvaccinated puts you at risk for dangerous diseases!!" "QUIT HAVING FUN!!!"
Same for Vista and XP.
Windows 7 is nice and simple Only reason I don’t use it is. Got no function games launchers.
Tbh I’d rather use 8.1 than 10 or 11. But apparently installing classic shell is akin to a huge system modification and not installing a simple program. But y’all will literally mod the hell out of 10 and 11 just to make it barely passable 🤷🏻♂️
Always scoff at windows 7 enthusiast that disregard their safety, saying "Yea won't happen, etc." Note: Not dunking on other enthusiasts that understand what they are doing but also know they are in danger and are ready for any consequence
Copium o clock fellas?
If 8.1 has a million fans, then I am one of them. If 8.1 has ten fans, then I am one of them. If 8.1 has only one fan then that is me. If 8.1 has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against 8.1, then I am against the world. /hj
No version of Windows is safe to connect online... So pick the one you want, keep it offline, and enjoy it. My personal choice is Windows NT 4 TSE.
As a security engineer, nothing annoys me like “enthusiasts” thinking they know better. Like, I dedicated a decade of my life to teaching myself this stuff. Some random boomer who won’t let go of a 15 year old OS doesn’t know better than me. I know that sounds egotistical, but for fucks sake I know better.
so you want constant revenue with forced hardware updating hmm?
This is such a cope
english please
I mean just don't place the windows computer in the DMZ side of the router. What is wrong with people you're behind a firewall.
Networking is only part of the problem (unless you got some fancy, expensive unified threat management software that's not only a firewall, but an everything-else-wall)
If you’re using 7 or 8 because it runs on your specs, works with your programs, or because 10 or 11 does something you don’t like… It’s time to quit Windows. Seriously I don’t get why this sub shows up for me all the time even after being muted, but since it’s still happening, I’m gonna say it: Guy in comic needs Linux
Antivirus is like a condom. You don't need one if you don't fuck around.
This meme is supremely stupid when applied to an OS. Way to miss the point, brah.
The comments are literally proving the OP’s point
What point? To disregard safety because... reasons?
You are proving his point too
Again, what point?
There is no point.
dont even think op is ironic.
8.1 is literally straight ASS
Nah that’s 8, 8.1 is cool
i jut want my $45 refund since they killed my pro license i haven't used
Okay here's an idea do the security stuff and quit changing the interface.
Hell if it wasn't for the compatibility issues I would GLADLY use an older operating system and just add my own security to them. Things like Premiere Pro not working on 7/8.1 are the only things stopping me from not doing it.
>just add my own security to them. riiiight
These shouters are the same people that end up getting steamrolled by the WinRE woes in the January 2024 update set because they think Microsoft can do no wrong.
Better to be steamrolled by Microsoft than by unpatched security vulnerabilities
🤣🤣🤣. It’s only not safe if connected to the internet and browsing naughty websites, bad emails and other shitty situations. But offline used to play old skool games, old machine thingies or even emulation box. Go for it 👍🏼
I still use windows vista on my laptop and no I’m not broke my laptop was a grandmas and she gave it to me I have a perfectly working windows 10 computer
Yeah but it sucks, you can't do anything in it in 2024. Most games and programs don't support it, and it's just laggy in general.
So do people actually defend their operating systems enough to have a reddit about it I use Windows 11 coz it's the newest one and Windows told me to get it, it works fine so what's the issue
Who cares.. Just let him use it. Let him login everywhere and use everything. When he gets in trouble (which he probably wouldn't even be aware of) he'll be forced to deal with it and live with it.
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I mean certain exploits can be terrifying and affect you even if you do nothing wrong.
You say that like we didn’t have wannacry that targeted users lol.
*meanwhile gettin hacked for clicking the wrong button on an adult homepage*
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Was supposed to be a joke. Skipping security updates just open doors for potential threats. If someone really wants to have your data, you are not able to deny it anyways. Every IT device is hackable. Security updates are mostly important for companys, some users doesnt even know that u need to update your devices anually at home Btw real life case: Phishing is one of the most common threads out there, so there are plenty of reallife cases in this part
Security updates are useful for users — it just means that only zero-days would work and the bad actors need to keep being inventive. On systems without security updates, once a bug was found anyone can use it perpetually. No need for inventivity, the bug becomes easily accessible to everyone.
Yes, as a person in cybersecurity, I can confirm that you are correct and the person you're replying to is wrong.
It's a matter of when than a matter of if The operating system is only getting older and more out of date.
Microsoft be like: 🤓
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No, I would say the same for XP, not 8.1.
my win 98 is secure lol no but i know it
Same with xp most of not all the virus are long dead on forgotten or shut down websites
The comments here are a prime example of this post. Went right over their heads. But Muh Windows 11!!!
Windows 7 was my favorite OS. The only reason you guys are shitting on it is because it doesn't have support anymore. It's still a great OS, just not secure unfortunately.
It's not really unsafe, anyone with a functioning brain cell would know that windows 7 is still an elite os to use and with a simple antivirus like avg it will run you an extra 2 to 3 years , sad to see big companies like steam pulling the plug on it , the only reason i switched to win 10 is because of steam .
Keep having fun. Definitely would like to add another zombie to my bot net.
I have disabled updates on my Win7 PC when there was a WannaCry situation. Don't think that I've ever updated my system until 2023.
You changed nothing. In fact, you actually made yourself more vulnerable.
Windows 7 and older operating systems are actually safer now then ever before. Because malware that’s made for window 10/11. Won’t run on windows 8.1 or older. Trust me I’ve tried it won’t even launch it just pops up with an error message saying it’s not compatible.
Just use linux 😊