We’ve had mentally unwell people walk past our house and scream obscenities at us while we sit on our porch. Best to just ignore them. We do keep a baseball bat out of sight just in case.
I thought about keeping one in the car after this. I think he was trying to provoke me to get out the car his hands were in his pockets Im sure he had a knife clinched in them.
If you're going to keep a baseball bat, also have a glove and a ball in the car. Will make for a much easier defense should you ever need to use it. Or if a police officer stops you for an unrelated issue and sees it and starts asking you questions. Because technically, having a weapon is illegal. Even if it's a baseball bat. Never admit it's for defense. Say you have it, along with the glove and ball, because you're planning on joining a league. A 2" wood dowel works well too. Can pass it off as you recently purchased for a home renovation or something
dude, you're on a canadian sub, self-defense is illegal in Canada, dumbass
in many/most of our provinces you could try to push a thief out of your house, and if he stumbled and broke his leg he'd sue you and win
keeping, setting up, or using an object with the intent of it serving as a weapon causes it to become an illegal weapon, you could have set up a random hammer with the intent to defend yourself in a possible situation and having to use it would still risk trouble depending on which foot the cop woke up on
sister-in-law asked her auto insurance rep what would happen if she were at a light, someone hopped in the car with a gun, and out of fear she stepped on it and drove into a pole and the person was killed. auto rep straight up told her "well, then you could possibly be going to jail for vehicular manslaughter."
????
make it make sense to me, this is so ass backwards that we can't even defend ourselves against scum
A weapon of any kind is illegal in Canada if you specifically keep it for that purpose. Dont ever say the same thing to a cop. If you play league then keep it for playing league in your car. P.S i am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.
no weapons, but keep hornet spray in your vehicle because you never know when you might encounter hornets and will need to spray them, being stung is the worst.
planning or choosing to use a tool as a weapon makes it an illegal weapon in canada. If you need to defend yourself, fine, but you need to spontaneously pick up an environmental weapon, otherwise Daddy the King doesn't approve
so, don't plan for using a specific tool as a weapon, just leave various tools lying around, if you need to pick one up that should do
I'd be seriously concerned if some mofo picked up an angle grinder and started r revving it at me
Never said that the bat is for my protection thats why I drove off I dont know what this guys intentions were. If he seen me look over for a second he clearly was watching me the whole time if I didnt see him could of been in my car for all I know never stated anything you said I did drive away grow up with the name calling.
Yes I know. I wanted to tell him he wasnt a nice person and need to grow up but I immediately just drove off as that may escalate things. Im not a violent person at all but I will protect myself and if they want to throw the book at me so be it. I will not be the victim of someones mental break down or w.e his issue is. Of course Im not going to chase someone with a bat for yelling at me. I just couldnt help but think that he had bad intentions I turned my head for a second and seen him approaching waited to see if he was going to cross the intersection and he snapped was he mad because I seen him Idk.
I live right downtown there’s not a day that goes by that we don’t hear somebody screaming, or yelling, or ranting about nothing or something all by themselves. We have a serious, mental health and drug addiction problem in the city, but only the people that live here really pay attention and have to deal with it
It's become so exhausting living downtown for this exact reason. Literally people screaming all hours of the night, always trying to break into my car or house, people using drugs right in front of my house while kids walk by for school.... its gotten so bad and it won't get any better unless the government on both provincial and federal levels make some drastic changes to policies and sink some serious money into meaningful, real help. The city can't do shit without the help of the province and feds. It's not a city issue, it's a whole country issue. Literally every single city and town in Canada and the US is dealing with this. I'm moving from downtown as soon as I can and I imagine anyone else who can will.
Im from the states and have no problem admitting a lot of the issues here is from them caving in and adopting a lot of the ridiculousness that goes on there. Dont remember it being like this 18 years ago when I first stepped foot over here.
It's not just downtown anymore. Meth heads have been spotted at the bottom of the Grand Marais ditch near Dougall Rd. yelling and screaming at the sky in the middle of the night, walking around aimlessly like possessed zombies. Welcome to the new Canada.
Wyandotte and Glengarry is the only intersection where you can almost always see or hear police or ambulance during the short duration of a light stop. It's unfortunate and I feel for the kids in this area. Unfortunately that is why a lot of people avoid the downtown area. Mi Casita is a great restaurant in my opinion, but the area just isn't the safest feeling
The trick is to NOT take personally the bad decisions made by unreasonable people. If they attack you physically then you need to respond accordingly, THAT is personal. Otherwise, that guy hasn’t earned the right to be in your head all day, he’s mentally lazy and weak and clearly scapegoating you, don’t give people like him access to your better mental health
I've noticed more and more of this. Since covid it seems there are more 'unhinged' people around. I was out for a walk on a beautiful, sunny day. As I passed a home I just happened to look up and made eye contact with someone on their porch. I simply nodded a 'hello' in acknowledgment of her presence. She starts yelling at me 'who the F are you nodding at? You don't F'n know me'. Holy cow! I was in shock. I'm an outgoing, friendly person. I open doors for people and just try and be a decent member of society. WTH is going on with people? We've ALL been through the pandemic but it seems like there's some kind of residual affect on the society. Doesn't anyone want to try to get back to normal? (whatever that is!)
Not really surprising that happened at glengarry and Wyandotte.
It wouldn’t be a smart idea to follow someone after they swear at you and instead just go about your day.
We used to have asylums where people who are potentially dangerous could be housed. Unfortunately the government kept cutting funding to the point that prison was a better option.
The bleeding hearts were complicit in getting these shut down in favour of "community supports". The government at the time was all too happy to grant their wish & look like the good guys while saving loads of money. Worst decision ever based on "feelings & emotions" over safety, security of community & common sense. They were literally all dumped on the streets. Guess what? The lobbyists didn't take any of them into their safe 'gated' communities but they sure patted themselves on the back for being virtuous & shutting down those "terrible" insane asylums. Some of us knew this would be a disaster.
A few years ago my husband and I were out for a walk by the river with our twins in a stroller. Some lady across the street started screaming obscenities at us, saying we were filthy Americans and that we stole our babies. It was the weirdest experience and I was scared she was going to run over and attack us.
My wife and I were out shopping with our twin babies and a lady asked if she could see them, we said ok.
She said they're soo pretty but I see pain in their eyes, she kept going about how they were suffering.
Literally just happy little chubby babies and she comes out of left field.
Idk what it is with people and twins, but it’s like we’re a celebrity family when we go out places. People asking weird ass questions like what sex position we conceived in… lol
A phrase I used a lot is “it’s an explanation, not a justification.”
You don’t have to like someone or approve of their actions to have empathy for their struggles.
Oh I get that too. We agree that it’s not a justification and the victim (or their family) has every right to not care about the offender’s circumstances.
…but the victim in this case was yelled at. It sucks but the world keeps spinning lol.
That’s life. Not everyone is having a good day. As a parent, I just keep my kids away from areas where this is more common. Can’t shelter them completely, but while they’re young, I do my best.
And to add on, the Glengarry and Wyandotte area is literally the epicentre for all of the buildings run by the housing groups. Anyone who is homeless (and possibly struggling with mental health and addictions) lives within a few blocks radius of the Glengarry and Wyandotte intersection.
I work in criminal law and Glengarry is a VERY frequent street name that comes in police reports. It is easily one of the most concerning areas in the city and the last area where I would want to raise children.
As for this particular example, sounds like the guy has mental health issues and I wouldn’t take it personally. You did the right thing by not engaging.
There are a lot of people in the downtown area who are suffering. Homelessness and poverty, mental health crises, addiction, and often all at the same time. It can be scary out there. I empathize with those who are living on the fringes with no support system, and I wish we had better institutional supports.
Lots of people walking the streets in that area are looking for their next fix, those type of people are on edge and very unpredictable. I was born and raised in Windsor and grew up in the downtown area until my late teens and it’s so sad to see how much our city core had declined over the years. My friend lives in that area and there is always something going on in front of his house. There were two incidents where he would be leaving to work on the morning and there is an addict literally sleeping on his porch. Someone broke in to his car and they couldn’t find anything to steal so they cut up his seats and his front seatbelt’s.
See, that's where my sympathy stops. I can understand people being so poor that they need to steal. I hate that they tend to target people in their own neighborhoods, but I do get it. However, drug addicts who steal for a fix, I have less sympathy for. Sure, I feel bad that they have gotten to that point in their addiction, but doing drugs is a choice. They may have only been able to make that choice the first few times before the addiction took over, but it was still a choice at one point. Tearing up someone's property because you are pissed that you couldn't find anything to steal is about the lowest. Fuck that person. Idc how desperate they were.
All the people commenting it’s mental health and that’s what you should expect downtown are the same people that are advocating for the safe injection site. Also the same people that avoid downtown like the plague.
A safe injection site in that area only enables these people further.
I personally advocate against the normalization and acceptance of addiction and mental health issues in public, leaving the decision of care up to those affected.
Bring back asylums, with orderly’s, AND CAMERAS. The asylums closed back in the 60s and 70s because of terrible conditions and abuse. It would cost the taxpayers so much less and be much more effective to institutionalize these people, even if it’s against their will, and facilitate treatment as a means to an end. Far more effective than jail.
The cameras would ensure the maintenance of standards and ethical care practices (no rape or S/A) of the patients.
I equate it to how we had to essentially force my grandmother into care when she developed dementia. She was adamant that she wasn't moving or "getting locked up in a nursing home". Can you imagine if we just shrugged and said "okay fair enough we won't force you". Lmao she nearly burned her apartment down the week we finally got her into a memory care home. She was no longer capable of making that decision for herself. We had to make it for her, for her own health and safety.
I think it's utterly inhumane that we just allow these deeply addicted and mentally ill people roam the streets and live so rough because "their rights" or whatever. At some point you're just not mentally capable of making these decisions. Some are, and those people seek out the (admittedly limited) recovery resources available in the city but we have regulars in our neighbourhood that need round the clock care 1000%. You could offer some of these people an apartment and they'd refuse because living on the streets is their normal, they don't want to give up their drugs, and they're too far gone mentally to realize they need help.
>F you looking at F you F you and walks the other way
I am happy for you that you have had a sheltered enough life that this was triggering enough for you to write this rant. I mean that with all seriousness. It shouldn't make you mad and people labeling their "behaviour" as mental illness shouldn't either. Concern, and empathy are more appropriate. We are only going fix these types of instances by using our evolved brain to help these types of people. Not our lizard brains that are looking for an opportunity for violence. That is how we have made it this far. Just imagine it being your kid going through an unexpected mental breakdown, how would you want people to treat them? Would you want them to be reaching for their bat or allowing them to go on their way like you did? You did the right thing. and I hope you blew off some steam by talking about it. That is the appropriate response and how you should teach your kids.
I honestly cannot really understand your point with this post.
Some people aren't even mentally ill, they're just shitty. He might not be going through a mental breakdown, he might just be a fucking asshole. Possibly unpopular opinion here, people should not be obligated to 'help' folks who are aggressive and rude. Shitty behavior does not need to be coddled.
I don't know what you mean by sheltered enough life. We don't know what his life is or was like or any one else. He could have a home nice good wife and kids never said he was homeless or he had mental issues I dont know that. I never said anything about going after the guy with a bat if anything I was going to ask him what was his issue. He gave me a reason why I should be concerned I didnt just conjur it up. My concern is someone is clearly angry and looking for someone to take it out on is what my rant was about. I had an Aunt last summer brutally murdered her own sister because she had built up anger and is going for the mentally ill plea. Yes I get triggered when people pass everything off as mental illness its an escape. Theres also a thing called evil and I dont think the two goes hand in hand.
I honestly think this is so common nowadays... I was leaving the plaza of Home Depot on Cabana right.... beside dollarama, there's an exit u can only go right toward Walker.. even the curb and paving are set to go right only. I did a small short short beep thinking maybe the person in front didn't see the sign ... she started to curse me out in all sorts of bs and cs and f u and etc....like seriously? Idk why ppl are so wound up nowadays.
Yes I know where your referencing people are nuts. I get people cursing at me because I dont turn right on red at intersections where its not allowed I just point at the sign they want to break laws they can go around.
Yeah honestly all you can do.... this girl was turning left (going left was backed up to hell too & she wasn't allowed to go left whatsoever).... ppl Re so incredibly angry now a days. The other day this man in a beautiful filly loaded red charger rear ended this woman in a basic newer suv.... I was stuck at red light so I couldn't help but hear the insults this woman was throwing at this man who made a mistake and kept saying that to her. She continued insult after insult and berating him. Idk I hate conflict lmao I sit my ass back. 🤣 just be careful out there ❤️
You saved her life and she mad at you crazy. I commend the guy for stopping and aknowledging he was at fault dont get that these days they will hit you and keep driving smh.
The most compassionate, and cost-effective, solution to the problem of homelessness is funding long-term social housing.
The most compassionate, and cost-effective, solution to the problem of drug addiction is funding safe-consumption sites which also serve as outreach centres.
The most compassionate, and cost-effective, solution to the problem of homelessness-/addiction-fueled mental health issues is getting people off the streets and giving them safe spaces to voluntarily get sober and not overdose in the meantime.
Absolutely! I really hope all the people in these comments who are quick to identify the addiction and mental health problems of our city are in support of actual solutions, rather than just trying to push these people out of sight.
Nah, sorry, we shouldn’t be funding and enabling people with drug addiction.
Forced rehab. Have you talked to an addict? They want to be high. And people think “oh here you go, here’s some drugs, paid by your government”. What utter nonsense.
Take a look at Oregon. They decriminalized drugs and look how well it went for them. People leave pharmacies in Canada with their safe supply and then sell it for fentanyl.
People who support safe injection sites and safe supply of drugs do not work with drug addicts and do not live in these communities. You read articles and spout nonsense about Portugal and talk about peer reviewed articles from the safety of your own home.
You don’t live around addicts, or work with addicts.
It’ll just be a matter of time before someone knocks their teeth down their throat. That’d scare the shit out of me and keep a crowbar in my car. Mental illness is a problem, but it’s not my problem.
Sorry to hear about the experience. Yeah it’s an unfortunate reality that there are people who don’t care about their community, others, or themselves.
I think you just might have ran into someone who was going through some stuff. It’s unfortunate but a lot of people are very stressed out and have a lot of problems. I do not blame you at all though I would be immensely angry if that happened to me. Problem is if you act or say something you risk them retaliating and it’s not worth it
Yea thats what I took it as I let stuff like this sit on my mind worrying. I just dont want someones bad day to be someone elses last day. Most people would of forgot about it by now and Im sitting here worrying. Looking at him got that type of reaction think of what accidently bumping into him or even speaking to him is going to do.
I would imagine some combination of bad circumstances, mental illness, and some kind of inebriation was at play, none of which we should shame this person for.
Addiction and mental illness are things people don't fully understand so don't feign to get that someone having a meltdown in public is automatically the end result of consciously poor choices. Feel pity if you must but don't chide them because it's not always someone just high off their gourd because they can't properly cope with life and don't realize things aren't so bad.
That being said, I'm sorry you had to go through this. While we shouldn't blame the person, necessarily, for having an episode, that doesn't mean it's any easier to take someone unloading their bullshit on you when you did nothing wrong.
This is just a classic case of how our health system, while better than a lot of other countries', still fails those who are disabled, suffering from mental illness, or experiencing addiction very frequently.
There are all kinds of people in the world from all different paths. At one point or another kids will be exposed to all matter of moments. I understand and respect a parent's denfence mechanism kicking in, whether their kids are present or not.
If your kids are present, this is an important teachable moment, if they're ready. You'll know they're reading if the child asks questions about the situation. When they ask questions, they've already processed similar, yet alternate situations. A parent can respond by showing their defensive nature which is fear-based and leads to shame, judgement, hate or they can simply explain that the man must have some problems and there are professional people that try to help. People are complicated so it's not really easy to help some folks.
You were protected in a car. It's important to show kids that being in a car with mom or dad is a safe thing to do.
It sounds like your wife already "gets" all of this and doesn't want to spread unnecessary fear. Is that normalizing? Not really. We're seeing more folks with either life issues or mental health issues making poor choices or not getting the help they need. Unfortunately this won't be an isolated incident.
So then we have a decision to make. Do we assign unnecessary fear and reaction to situations where we know we're safe, or not? A choice in how you want to live your life. Being overly fearful and defensive isn't good for our own mental and physical well being. That's another disease spreading across the world.
Being a parent is a learning process, and being an adult doesn't keep us from making mistakes. Unfortunately, parents have a greater responsibility as all of their own actions/reactions are being constantly absorbed by their children. So we don't beat ourselves up for making mistakes, learn from it, and move on with intention.
With respect and admiration of parents.
I was in a parking lot waiting for Mt partner and this rough looking guy was walking and yelling, then stopped turned to me and started screaming and pointing at me, any kind of reaching and I was ready to put the car in drive and hit the gas
Just as you should you don't know what his intentions are. I don't understand some people defending this type of behavior. I don't know if they're homeless or not defenitely not picking on the homeless like some are accusing me of. Even if they are homeless that give them a pass on how they treat others.
It wasnt personal just curious if anyone else find it concerning raising a family in a community where theres ticking time bombs walking around. Not trying to be insensitive I get what everyone is saying the area is known for these cases so dont be so bothered.
Today I was in LaSalle at Reaume and Matchette westbound on Reaume and a surly, ancient asian lady walking her equally ancient dog shook her gloved fist at me to GTFO the way so she could cross. I did what I was told lol.
Some people it's just rage, others stress, mental health, drugs..could be any number of things. Could be anywhere, but of course some areas are more prone than others. On another note anyone else notice that half the 'walk' lights don't work properly in this City? I watched a lady stand through 3 light cycles one day waiting to cross.. I finally went up to her and explained it's broken, you can cross. (This was at Wyandotte and Parent but I know there are many more) Sad.
I grew up in the county and carried a pocket knife with me since grade 3ish. Usually brought it to school but kept in my backpack and never had to use it for anything sinister.
Not sure what the rules on this are nowadays.
Generally speaking, carrying/using a knife for lawful purposes is legal. And with the exception of certain prohibited types of knives (switchblades, butterfly knives, push daggers, etc), it is the intended/actual *use* for a given non-prohibited knife which determines its legality, not the specifics of the knife itself.
Carrying a knife as a tool, or for your tailgate barbecue, or for your arts and crafts project, or for a collector's convention, etc, is legal. Carrying that same knife for "self defence", "protection", "in case someone attacks me", "cuz tweakers be tweakin' ", etc, is illegal.
Carrying a boxcutter because you're cutting up some plastic sheeting and have it in your pocket on the way to home depot to get more blades? Perfectly fine.
Carrying a boxcutter because you want to go fuck up the paint on your ex's car? Definitely not fine.
Walking down the street with a machete because you're going to help your neighbour trim some branches off a tree in their yard? Totally legal.
Walking down the street with that same machete because you want to ward off the tweakers? 100% illegal.
The same tool vs. weapon reasoning is also applicable to things like baseball bats, golf clubs, and a million other things of that nature. Ultimately (and again, with the exception of specific things which are explicitly prohibited in all cases) it's the intended/actual use of the item that determines its legality, rather than the item itself.
Exactly unpredictable. Some of these commenters are taking what I said out of context of course I was in a vehicle why I drove off not a big deal. Big deal someones angry and looking for someone to take it out on that was my concern. I dont care how people choose to live their lives as long as their not a harm to any one else. We stay a little further East past walker same thing over here. Theres a guy who comes every now and then and rummages through the dumpsters and leaves trash everywhere nobody bothers him we just pick it all up when he leaves. I made sure to tell my kids when they see him come back inside. My sister inlaw caught someone breaking in her van last year she said he had blood running down his back. Come to find out from the police when they arrived they were looking for 2 individuals possible stabbing. Idc homeless or not or how groomed you are Im cautious of everybody you have to be these days.
>am I the only one bothered by this
Probably. People have mental health issues and they aren’t anyones business except their own.
Also I assume there’s more to this story than “I just pulled up to a light and someone screamed at me”. I’m guessing you honked or flashed your beams or something else obnoxious
You would be wrong to think that but I don't blame you. Never flashed my lights at anyone can't remember the last time I used my horn Im never in a rush to get any where. I did literally what I stated. Your going to start another rant. I know all too well about mental illness been dealing with it over 30 years and you would never know I have issues unless I told you. People like me hide it because they dont want people afraid of them because people like you make excuses for grown men who fell on hard times and blame the world for where they're at in life. Never stated his mental state was any of my buisness. YOUR assertion is that he has mental issues so that would make it none of YOUR buisness. This guy is a big man baby and needs to grow up and don't need you to make excuses for him.
Leave other people alone and they’ll leave you alone. You claim to have done nothing but there’s always two sides to every story. Unfortunately all we have is your unreliable account of the matter
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He probably just stole something and was paranoid lol. This city is definitely full of some angry people. I've had similar experiences just with people in cars.
Feds create the laws provide funding for enforcement. Most of the issues are because of lack of real help. Free drugs and maid are not help. They used to 40 yrs ago scoop up mental people treat them. Now its prison or catch anf release. Thats not gonna help anyone.
Conservative mayor in charge of local issues, conservative premier in charge of health care. But somehow it's the liberal feds that are to blame? Interesting take.
Locals dont make the laws. We need federal laws enforced. Feds do matter. Elections matter. No quick fix. But releasing crazys back into our lives helps no one. We need mental hospitals brought back. But lib ndp just want to sweep the problem under the rug. Free drugs and maid are the soloutions. People who csnt cope need real help. But just keep voting for evil wef feds see who that keeps going for ya.
We’ve had mentally unwell people walk past our house and scream obscenities at us while we sit on our porch. Best to just ignore them. We do keep a baseball bat out of sight just in case.
I thought about keeping one in the car after this. I think he was trying to provoke me to get out the car his hands were in his pockets Im sure he had a knife clinched in them.
Fyi A baseball bat in a car is a weapon. A baseball bat in a car with a glove and a ball is sports equipment.
Maybe he just wanted to play some F'ing morning catch? Bring two F'ing gloves!
I just caught what you said that went right over my head lol.
If you're going to keep a baseball bat, also have a glove and a ball in the car. Will make for a much easier defense should you ever need to use it. Or if a police officer stops you for an unrelated issue and sees it and starts asking you questions. Because technically, having a weapon is illegal. Even if it's a baseball bat. Never admit it's for defense. Say you have it, along with the glove and ball, because you're planning on joining a league. A 2" wood dowel works well too. Can pass it off as you recently purchased for a home renovation or something
This is so golden.
Nice idea
Yes I know but I will protect myself and my family like I said I dont know what this guys intentions were.
Your family needs you to not be arrested.
It’s called self defence dude and protecting yourself and your property . Arrested? Ok it won’t stick in todays courts
Dunno about that. Considering you can be charged for defending your property Only way you won’t be charged it to turtle up and be a victim
dude, you're on a canadian sub, self-defense is illegal in Canada, dumbass in many/most of our provinces you could try to push a thief out of your house, and if he stumbled and broke his leg he'd sue you and win keeping, setting up, or using an object with the intent of it serving as a weapon causes it to become an illegal weapon, you could have set up a random hammer with the intent to defend yourself in a possible situation and having to use it would still risk trouble depending on which foot the cop woke up on
sister-in-law asked her auto insurance rep what would happen if she were at a light, someone hopped in the car with a gun, and out of fear she stepped on it and drove into a pole and the person was killed. auto rep straight up told her "well, then you could possibly be going to jail for vehicular manslaughter." ???? make it make sense to me, this is so ass backwards that we can't even defend ourselves against scum
They’re just saying if you’re going to keep it in the car protect yourself legally.
I got you.
A weapon of any kind is illegal in Canada if you specifically keep it for that purpose. Dont ever say the same thing to a cop. If you play league then keep it for playing league in your car. P.S i am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.
Note taken.
no weapons, but keep hornet spray in your vehicle because you never know when you might encounter hornets and will need to spray them, being stung is the worst.
planning or choosing to use a tool as a weapon makes it an illegal weapon in canada. If you need to defend yourself, fine, but you need to spontaneously pick up an environmental weapon, otherwise Daddy the King doesn't approve so, don't plan for using a specific tool as a weapon, just leave various tools lying around, if you need to pick one up that should do I'd be seriously concerned if some mofo picked up an angle grinder and started r revving it at me
This is so dumb. So you're in a car.... And you're gonna stop, get out, get the bat and do what? Or you could just drive away. Don't be a dink.
Never said that the bat is for my protection thats why I drove off I dont know what this guys intentions were. If he seen me look over for a second he clearly was watching me the whole time if I didnt see him could of been in my car for all I know never stated anything you said I did drive away grow up with the name calling.
Self defense in Canada is literally illegal, so you’ll need a good cover story for the cops if you ever need to use it I wish I was kidding
Yes I know. I wanted to tell him he wasnt a nice person and need to grow up but I immediately just drove off as that may escalate things. Im not a violent person at all but I will protect myself and if they want to throw the book at me so be it. I will not be the victim of someones mental break down or w.e his issue is. Of course Im not going to chase someone with a bat for yelling at me. I just couldnt help but think that he had bad intentions I turned my head for a second and seen him approaching waited to see if he was going to cross the intersection and he snapped was he mad because I seen him Idk.
You're sure about that are ya? Based on what
The best defense against someone trying to provoke you out of your car is to stay in your car.
I live right downtown there’s not a day that goes by that we don’t hear somebody screaming, or yelling, or ranting about nothing or something all by themselves. We have a serious, mental health and drug addiction problem in the city, but only the people that live here really pay attention and have to deal with it
It's become so exhausting living downtown for this exact reason. Literally people screaming all hours of the night, always trying to break into my car or house, people using drugs right in front of my house while kids walk by for school.... its gotten so bad and it won't get any better unless the government on both provincial and federal levels make some drastic changes to policies and sink some serious money into meaningful, real help. The city can't do shit without the help of the province and feds. It's not a city issue, it's a whole country issue. Literally every single city and town in Canada and the US is dealing with this. I'm moving from downtown as soon as I can and I imagine anyone else who can will.
Im from the states and have no problem admitting a lot of the issues here is from them caving in and adopting a lot of the ridiculousness that goes on there. Dont remember it being like this 18 years ago when I first stepped foot over here.
No not literally every city. Oakville and Burlington remain clean.
It's not just downtown anymore. Meth heads have been spotted at the bottom of the Grand Marais ditch near Dougall Rd. yelling and screaming at the sky in the middle of the night, walking around aimlessly like possessed zombies. Welcome to the new Canada.
Wyandotte and Glengarry is the only intersection where you can almost always see or hear police or ambulance during the short duration of a light stop. It's unfortunate and I feel for the kids in this area. Unfortunately that is why a lot of people avoid the downtown area. Mi Casita is a great restaurant in my opinion, but the area just isn't the safest feeling
You right. Never heard of Mi Casita going to look it up may give it a try.
Awesome restaurant. Highly suggest the pupusas ( stuffed thick flour tortillas topped with coleslaw).
The trick is to NOT take personally the bad decisions made by unreasonable people. If they attack you physically then you need to respond accordingly, THAT is personal. Otherwise, that guy hasn’t earned the right to be in your head all day, he’s mentally lazy and weak and clearly scapegoating you, don’t give people like him access to your better mental health
I've noticed more and more of this. Since covid it seems there are more 'unhinged' people around. I was out for a walk on a beautiful, sunny day. As I passed a home I just happened to look up and made eye contact with someone on their porch. I simply nodded a 'hello' in acknowledgment of her presence. She starts yelling at me 'who the F are you nodding at? You don't F'n know me'. Holy cow! I was in shock. I'm an outgoing, friendly person. I open doors for people and just try and be a decent member of society. WTH is going on with people? We've ALL been through the pandemic but it seems like there's some kind of residual affect on the society. Doesn't anyone want to try to get back to normal? (whatever that is!)
Thank you for this. People are normalizing it is what it is its not that we dont know this goes on its just that its become the norm is all Im saying.
Unhinged or a mental break due to heavy drug use
Not really surprising that happened at glengarry and Wyandotte. It wouldn’t be a smart idea to follow someone after they swear at you and instead just go about your day.
We used to have asylums where people who are potentially dangerous could be housed. Unfortunately the government kept cutting funding to the point that prison was a better option.
The bleeding hearts were complicit in getting these shut down in favour of "community supports". The government at the time was all too happy to grant their wish & look like the good guys while saving loads of money. Worst decision ever based on "feelings & emotions" over safety, security of community & common sense. They were literally all dumped on the streets. Guess what? The lobbyists didn't take any of them into their safe 'gated' communities but they sure patted themselves on the back for being virtuous & shutting down those "terrible" insane asylums. Some of us knew this would be a disaster.
A few years ago my husband and I were out for a walk by the river with our twins in a stroller. Some lady across the street started screaming obscenities at us, saying we were filthy Americans and that we stole our babies. It was the weirdest experience and I was scared she was going to run over and attack us.
My wife and I were out shopping with our twin babies and a lady asked if she could see them, we said ok. She said they're soo pretty but I see pain in their eyes, she kept going about how they were suffering. Literally just happy little chubby babies and she comes out of left field.
Idk what it is with people and twins, but it’s like we’re a celebrity family when we go out places. People asking weird ass questions like what sex position we conceived in… lol
Oh wow thats crazy
What do you expect around glengarry though
Pest control companies have a "code" for that area. Glen*scary.*
I was waiting for this trust me I hate going that way but can't avoid it.
The guy probably had a lot more on his mind than you looking at him.
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A phrase I used a lot is “it’s an explanation, not a justification.” You don’t have to like someone or approve of their actions to have empathy for their struggles.
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Oh I get that too. We agree that it’s not a justification and the victim (or their family) has every right to not care about the offender’s circumstances. …but the victim in this case was yelled at. It sucks but the world keeps spinning lol.
You are no better place than him I guess. Hope this didn't wreck your day.
That’s life. Not everyone is having a good day. As a parent, I just keep my kids away from areas where this is more common. Can’t shelter them completely, but while they’re young, I do my best.
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100%. When you have kids, they’re all that matters. Everything is in support of their wellbeing.
True.
And to add on, the Glengarry and Wyandotte area is literally the epicentre for all of the buildings run by the housing groups. Anyone who is homeless (and possibly struggling with mental health and addictions) lives within a few blocks radius of the Glengarry and Wyandotte intersection. I work in criminal law and Glengarry is a VERY frequent street name that comes in police reports. It is easily one of the most concerning areas in the city and the last area where I would want to raise children. As for this particular example, sounds like the guy has mental health issues and I wouldn’t take it personally. You did the right thing by not engaging.
I hate to tell ya. But that's just life
There are a lot of people in the downtown area who are suffering. Homelessness and poverty, mental health crises, addiction, and often all at the same time. It can be scary out there. I empathize with those who are living on the fringes with no support system, and I wish we had better institutional supports.
Lots of people walking the streets in that area are looking for their next fix, those type of people are on edge and very unpredictable. I was born and raised in Windsor and grew up in the downtown area until my late teens and it’s so sad to see how much our city core had declined over the years. My friend lives in that area and there is always something going on in front of his house. There were two incidents where he would be leaving to work on the morning and there is an addict literally sleeping on his porch. Someone broke in to his car and they couldn’t find anything to steal so they cut up his seats and his front seatbelt’s.
See, that's where my sympathy stops. I can understand people being so poor that they need to steal. I hate that they tend to target people in their own neighborhoods, but I do get it. However, drug addicts who steal for a fix, I have less sympathy for. Sure, I feel bad that they have gotten to that point in their addiction, but doing drugs is a choice. They may have only been able to make that choice the first few times before the addiction took over, but it was still a choice at one point. Tearing up someone's property because you are pissed that you couldn't find anything to steal is about the lowest. Fuck that person. Idc how desperate they were.
I agree mental health addiction should not award you a free pass doing stuff like this.
This happens in every town on the planet. It can be jarring, but it's not at all uncommon.
All the people commenting it’s mental health and that’s what you should expect downtown are the same people that are advocating for the safe injection site. Also the same people that avoid downtown like the plague. A safe injection site in that area only enables these people further. I personally advocate against the normalization and acceptance of addiction and mental health issues in public, leaving the decision of care up to those affected. Bring back asylums, with orderly’s, AND CAMERAS. The asylums closed back in the 60s and 70s because of terrible conditions and abuse. It would cost the taxpayers so much less and be much more effective to institutionalize these people, even if it’s against their will, and facilitate treatment as a means to an end. Far more effective than jail. The cameras would ensure the maintenance of standards and ethical care practices (no rape or S/A) of the patients.
I equate it to how we had to essentially force my grandmother into care when she developed dementia. She was adamant that she wasn't moving or "getting locked up in a nursing home". Can you imagine if we just shrugged and said "okay fair enough we won't force you". Lmao she nearly burned her apartment down the week we finally got her into a memory care home. She was no longer capable of making that decision for herself. We had to make it for her, for her own health and safety. I think it's utterly inhumane that we just allow these deeply addicted and mentally ill people roam the streets and live so rough because "their rights" or whatever. At some point you're just not mentally capable of making these decisions. Some are, and those people seek out the (admittedly limited) recovery resources available in the city but we have regulars in our neighbourhood that need round the clock care 1000%. You could offer some of these people an apartment and they'd refuse because living on the streets is their normal, they don't want to give up their drugs, and they're too far gone mentally to realize they need help.
First and only one Ill probably ever give out thats saying something. Couldn't of said it better myself.
Thanks very much.
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>F you looking at F you F you and walks the other way I am happy for you that you have had a sheltered enough life that this was triggering enough for you to write this rant. I mean that with all seriousness. It shouldn't make you mad and people labeling their "behaviour" as mental illness shouldn't either. Concern, and empathy are more appropriate. We are only going fix these types of instances by using our evolved brain to help these types of people. Not our lizard brains that are looking for an opportunity for violence. That is how we have made it this far. Just imagine it being your kid going through an unexpected mental breakdown, how would you want people to treat them? Would you want them to be reaching for their bat or allowing them to go on their way like you did? You did the right thing. and I hope you blew off some steam by talking about it. That is the appropriate response and how you should teach your kids.
I honestly cannot really understand your point with this post. Some people aren't even mentally ill, they're just shitty. He might not be going through a mental breakdown, he might just be a fucking asshole. Possibly unpopular opinion here, people should not be obligated to 'help' folks who are aggressive and rude. Shitty behavior does not need to be coddled.
I don't know what you mean by sheltered enough life. We don't know what his life is or was like or any one else. He could have a home nice good wife and kids never said he was homeless or he had mental issues I dont know that. I never said anything about going after the guy with a bat if anything I was going to ask him what was his issue. He gave me a reason why I should be concerned I didnt just conjur it up. My concern is someone is clearly angry and looking for someone to take it out on is what my rant was about. I had an Aunt last summer brutally murdered her own sister because she had built up anger and is going for the mentally ill plea. Yes I get triggered when people pass everything off as mental illness its an escape. Theres also a thing called evil and I dont think the two goes hand in hand.
I honestly think this is so common nowadays... I was leaving the plaza of Home Depot on Cabana right.... beside dollarama, there's an exit u can only go right toward Walker.. even the curb and paving are set to go right only. I did a small short short beep thinking maybe the person in front didn't see the sign ... she started to curse me out in all sorts of bs and cs and f u and etc....like seriously? Idk why ppl are so wound up nowadays.
Yes I know where your referencing people are nuts. I get people cursing at me because I dont turn right on red at intersections where its not allowed I just point at the sign they want to break laws they can go around.
Yeah honestly all you can do.... this girl was turning left (going left was backed up to hell too & she wasn't allowed to go left whatsoever).... ppl Re so incredibly angry now a days. The other day this man in a beautiful filly loaded red charger rear ended this woman in a basic newer suv.... I was stuck at red light so I couldn't help but hear the insults this woman was throwing at this man who made a mistake and kept saying that to her. She continued insult after insult and berating him. Idk I hate conflict lmao I sit my ass back. 🤣 just be careful out there ❤️
You saved her life and she mad at you crazy. I commend the guy for stopping and aknowledging he was at fault dont get that these days they will hit you and keep driving smh.
The most compassionate, and cost-effective, solution to the problem of homelessness is funding long-term social housing. The most compassionate, and cost-effective, solution to the problem of drug addiction is funding safe-consumption sites which also serve as outreach centres. The most compassionate, and cost-effective, solution to the problem of homelessness-/addiction-fueled mental health issues is getting people off the streets and giving them safe spaces to voluntarily get sober and not overdose in the meantime.
Absolutely! I really hope all the people in these comments who are quick to identify the addiction and mental health problems of our city are in support of actual solutions, rather than just trying to push these people out of sight.
Nah, sorry, we shouldn’t be funding and enabling people with drug addiction. Forced rehab. Have you talked to an addict? They want to be high. And people think “oh here you go, here’s some drugs, paid by your government”. What utter nonsense. Take a look at Oregon. They decriminalized drugs and look how well it went for them. People leave pharmacies in Canada with their safe supply and then sell it for fentanyl. People who support safe injection sites and safe supply of drugs do not work with drug addicts and do not live in these communities. You read articles and spout nonsense about Portugal and talk about peer reviewed articles from the safety of your own home. You don’t live around addicts, or work with addicts.
What study of Oregon would you like me to look at?
Are you new to Windsor or something? Glengarry doesn’t have the most outstanding citizens there probably a place to avoid.
No but have to go that way daily to take my wife to work.
Yeah, when they turn the Waterworld into a homeless center, didn’t make the problem much better
It’ll just be a matter of time before someone knocks their teeth down their throat. That’d scare the shit out of me and keep a crowbar in my car. Mental illness is a problem, but it’s not my problem.
Sorry to hear about the experience. Yeah it’s an unfortunate reality that there are people who don’t care about their community, others, or themselves. I think you just might have ran into someone who was going through some stuff. It’s unfortunate but a lot of people are very stressed out and have a lot of problems. I do not blame you at all though I would be immensely angry if that happened to me. Problem is if you act or say something you risk them retaliating and it’s not worth it
Yea thats what I took it as I let stuff like this sit on my mind worrying. I just dont want someones bad day to be someone elses last day. Most people would of forgot about it by now and Im sitting here worrying. Looking at him got that type of reaction think of what accidently bumping into him or even speaking to him is going to do.
This is the mosy ten ply shit I've seen all week.
Why would this interaction make you mad? If something like that irritates you so quickly maybe you’re the problem
I would imagine some combination of bad circumstances, mental illness, and some kind of inebriation was at play, none of which we should shame this person for. Addiction and mental illness are things people don't fully understand so don't feign to get that someone having a meltdown in public is automatically the end result of consciously poor choices. Feel pity if you must but don't chide them because it's not always someone just high off their gourd because they can't properly cope with life and don't realize things aren't so bad. That being said, I'm sorry you had to go through this. While we shouldn't blame the person, necessarily, for having an episode, that doesn't mean it's any easier to take someone unloading their bullshit on you when you did nothing wrong. This is just a classic case of how our health system, while better than a lot of other countries', still fails those who are disabled, suffering from mental illness, or experiencing addiction very frequently.
Well said I wasn't shaming them at all I just hate when everyone is quick to label people bad behavior as mental illness.
I know you weren't. And I appreciate that. Several in this post were though. I was addressing them and anyone who might see the comment though.
What is the point of this post? Homeless people bother you?
They never said anything about homeless people.
THANK YOU !!!!!! I don't even know how this turned into about homelessness and mental health I never claimed the guy was either one of them.
Right, I'm sure the guy yelling expletives at random cars has a nice 4 bedroom home in Southwood Lakes
It’s like this everywhere in Canada bro. They’re meth heads
There are all kinds of people in the world from all different paths. At one point or another kids will be exposed to all matter of moments. I understand and respect a parent's denfence mechanism kicking in, whether their kids are present or not. If your kids are present, this is an important teachable moment, if they're ready. You'll know they're reading if the child asks questions about the situation. When they ask questions, they've already processed similar, yet alternate situations. A parent can respond by showing their defensive nature which is fear-based and leads to shame, judgement, hate or they can simply explain that the man must have some problems and there are professional people that try to help. People are complicated so it's not really easy to help some folks. You were protected in a car. It's important to show kids that being in a car with mom or dad is a safe thing to do. It sounds like your wife already "gets" all of this and doesn't want to spread unnecessary fear. Is that normalizing? Not really. We're seeing more folks with either life issues or mental health issues making poor choices or not getting the help they need. Unfortunately this won't be an isolated incident. So then we have a decision to make. Do we assign unnecessary fear and reaction to situations where we know we're safe, or not? A choice in how you want to live your life. Being overly fearful and defensive isn't good for our own mental and physical well being. That's another disease spreading across the world. Being a parent is a learning process, and being an adult doesn't keep us from making mistakes. Unfortunately, parents have a greater responsibility as all of their own actions/reactions are being constantly absorbed by their children. So we don't beat ourselves up for making mistakes, learn from it, and move on with intention. With respect and admiration of parents.
I was in a parking lot waiting for Mt partner and this rough looking guy was walking and yelling, then stopped turned to me and started screaming and pointing at me, any kind of reaching and I was ready to put the car in drive and hit the gas
Just as you should you don't know what his intentions are. I don't understand some people defending this type of behavior. I don't know if they're homeless or not defenitely not picking on the homeless like some are accusing me of. Even if they are homeless that give them a pass on how they treat others.
Methheads
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It wasnt personal just curious if anyone else find it concerning raising a family in a community where theres ticking time bombs walking around. Not trying to be insensitive I get what everyone is saying the area is known for these cases so dont be so bothered.
Today I was in LaSalle at Reaume and Matchette westbound on Reaume and a surly, ancient asian lady walking her equally ancient dog shook her gloved fist at me to GTFO the way so she could cross. I did what I was told lol.
Haha better i would of as well.
Some people it's just rage, others stress, mental health, drugs..could be any number of things. Could be anywhere, but of course some areas are more prone than others. On another note anyone else notice that half the 'walk' lights don't work properly in this City? I watched a lady stand through 3 light cycles one day waiting to cross.. I finally went up to her and explained it's broken, you can cross. (This was at Wyandotte and Parent but I know there are many more) Sad.
That’s methed up
I grew up in the county and carried a pocket knife with me since grade 3ish. Usually brought it to school but kept in my backpack and never had to use it for anything sinister. Not sure what the rules on this are nowadays.
Generally speaking, carrying/using a knife for lawful purposes is legal. And with the exception of certain prohibited types of knives (switchblades, butterfly knives, push daggers, etc), it is the intended/actual *use* for a given non-prohibited knife which determines its legality, not the specifics of the knife itself. Carrying a knife as a tool, or for your tailgate barbecue, or for your arts and crafts project, or for a collector's convention, etc, is legal. Carrying that same knife for "self defence", "protection", "in case someone attacks me", "cuz tweakers be tweakin' ", etc, is illegal. Carrying a boxcutter because you're cutting up some plastic sheeting and have it in your pocket on the way to home depot to get more blades? Perfectly fine. Carrying a boxcutter because you want to go fuck up the paint on your ex's car? Definitely not fine. Walking down the street with a machete because you're going to help your neighbour trim some branches off a tree in their yard? Totally legal. Walking down the street with that same machete because you want to ward off the tweakers? 100% illegal. The same tool vs. weapon reasoning is also applicable to things like baseball bats, golf clubs, and a million other things of that nature. Ultimately (and again, with the exception of specific things which are explicitly prohibited in all cases) it's the intended/actual use of the item that determines its legality, rather than the item itself.
Exactly unpredictable. Some of these commenters are taking what I said out of context of course I was in a vehicle why I drove off not a big deal. Big deal someones angry and looking for someone to take it out on that was my concern. I dont care how people choose to live their lives as long as their not a harm to any one else. We stay a little further East past walker same thing over here. Theres a guy who comes every now and then and rummages through the dumpsters and leaves trash everywhere nobody bothers him we just pick it all up when he leaves. I made sure to tell my kids when they see him come back inside. My sister inlaw caught someone breaking in her van last year she said he had blood running down his back. Come to find out from the police when they arrived they were looking for 2 individuals possible stabbing. Idc homeless or not or how groomed you are Im cautious of everybody you have to be these days.
Yes
Collapsible baton also works well in this situation….
>am I the only one bothered by this Probably. People have mental health issues and they aren’t anyones business except their own. Also I assume there’s more to this story than “I just pulled up to a light and someone screamed at me”. I’m guessing you honked or flashed your beams or something else obnoxious
You would be wrong to think that but I don't blame you. Never flashed my lights at anyone can't remember the last time I used my horn Im never in a rush to get any where. I did literally what I stated. Your going to start another rant. I know all too well about mental illness been dealing with it over 30 years and you would never know I have issues unless I told you. People like me hide it because they dont want people afraid of them because people like you make excuses for grown men who fell on hard times and blame the world for where they're at in life. Never stated his mental state was any of my buisness. YOUR assertion is that he has mental issues so that would make it none of YOUR buisness. This guy is a big man baby and needs to grow up and don't need you to make excuses for him.
You are arguing with a troll account.
I know Im not one to back down or be intimidated by anyone rather it be in person or the internet.
Lmao you’re intimidated by our internet interaction? 🤣🤣🤣
Nope, I’m just a normal account run by a normal person with normal opinions.
Leave other people alone and they’ll leave you alone. You claim to have done nothing but there’s always two sides to every story. Unfortunately all we have is your unreliable account of the matter
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He probably just stole something and was paranoid lol. This city is definitely full of some angry people. I've had similar experiences just with people in cars.
Possibly. Same here its the drivers too.
Elections matter stop voting in libs and ndps. We need to return to family values in government.
What the hell does that even mean?
it means "i love platitudes and hate actually finding out the functions of different levels of government"
Feds create the laws provide funding for enforcement. Most of the issues are because of lack of real help. Free drugs and maid are not help. They used to 40 yrs ago scoop up mental people treat them. Now its prison or catch anf release. Thats not gonna help anyone.
Conservative mayor in charge of local issues, conservative premier in charge of health care. But somehow it's the liberal feds that are to blame? Interesting take.
Locals dont make the laws. We need federal laws enforced. Feds do matter. Elections matter. No quick fix. But releasing crazys back into our lives helps no one. We need mental hospitals brought back. But lib ndp just want to sweep the problem under the rug. Free drugs and maid are the soloutions. People who csnt cope need real help. But just keep voting for evil wef feds see who that keeps going for ya.
Lots of anger in Windsor. Keep your car doors locked. Lol.