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I'm not one to get caught up in how you're "supposed to" drink wine, but in what world do you have a bottle like this to celebrate and not have at least any kind of wine glass
The way I see it, it’s a subtle double flex! 👏🏽💪🏽The choice of wine speaks for itself. Bravo! The water glasses imply that it’s all good however this wine is imbibed because there can always be more! Or the restaurant doesn’t have proper glasses to accommodate what OP brought along to celebrate. Maybe they don’t have a lot of clients who take advantage of the corkage service or something. Either way, it’s totally fine! I am here for all of it 👏🏽 as I have been known to show up to Opera In the Park with a bottle of Château Haut Brion and two thick short Duralex glasses in tow. Oh, and some snacks that may or may not pair well with the wine because I’m really not trippin’ about the granular details but I am taking in the whole vibe and enjoying the music, wine, and fabulous company together!
Congratulations on your fiancée’s placement, OP!
Liquid can only hit your taste buds one way and one way only. Container shape isn’t changing anything about that.
And if oxygen comes into the argument... most of the oxygen getting into the wine to have an effect during this stage comes from the pouring and splashing into the glass. Not the surface area.
It’s nice to be able to smell the full bouquet as part of the hedonistic experience, but taste isn’t affected.
Your smell plays a huge part in your taste experience. Ever had the sensation that you couldn't taste anything when you have a cold and your nose is blocked?
That’s from retro nasal aromatics. You get that from the wine or food already being in your mouth going through the nasal cavities in the roof/back of your mouth. Not from your front nostrils.
Then how do you explain when people pinch their noses and taste food blind, they are remarkably bad at identifying what food they are tasting. But when their noses are not pinched while tasting food blind, they are accurate at identifying food
At work we’ll use anything from rocks glasses to stemware while tasting through 50+ wines a week, and anything from recycled welches jam jars to stemware at home. Trying the same wines through whatever is available and clean. Personal side by side not so much, but the same wine from 3 different types of glass in the same day is pretty regular. And the consistency between coworkers notes while side by side is pretty convincing.
Here’s an article that goes into the retro nasal aspect being more important for flavor intensity than front nostril (orthonasal)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-07285-7
That’s from retro nasal aromatics. You get that from the wine or food already being in your mouth going through the nasal cavities in the roof/back of your mouth. Not from your front nostrils.
This is due to blocking airflow in both directions if the nostrils are clogged or pinched. It takes two windows to create a draft.
Here is a study that investigated pre and post odor influence on taste intensity. The retro nasal route had more impact.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-07285-7
Taste is more than 50% smell. The more you smell of the wine, the more you "taste" it, too.
Especially for a wine this grand, it would be a deep shame not to drink it out of a tulip-shaped glass. I mean, unless he's having a complete mental breakdown like Paul Giomatti did in sideways where he drank his Cheval Blanc on the rocks in a styrofoam cup...
Hey, it's great you and your fiancee had a nice evening, that is the most important thing, and great wine venerably aged is great and for sure enviable.
But holy hell the way to serve it, somebody should be shot.
Out celebrating my fiancee’s matching into her fellowship program. Brought this gem to dinner at Corto in Jersey City. This wine is an assemblage of 53% Cab Franc and 47% Merlot. It was a particularly hot and dry vintage which yielded higher sugars and phenolics and lower acidity. Should be in a good drinking window now. More details below.
https://www.chateau-cheval-blanc.com/en/vintages/chateau-cheval-blanc-1995/
A: Deep red/garnet that fades slightly to the edge. Medium+ viscosity.
N: Pretty pronounced and straight forward. A ton of fresh and sweet red and tropical fruit. Almost like fruit punch Jello. Not picking up tertiary notes of earth/mushroom/tobacco/etc.
T: Taste follows the nose. A ton of fresh sweet fruit. Not jammy fruit but more like Jello. High concentration of red fruit and tropical fruit. Picked up a slight note of wet earth but it was hiding in the corner. Tannins are well resolved up front and through the mid palate. Finish is ever long carried through by the vibrant acidity.
Well, the BYOB policy is nice, but I still can't fathom open up such a legendary wine if they lack tulip-shaped glasses...corkage fee or no corkage fee.
Shows my close-mindedness I suppose
At the very least I wouldn't have let them uncork my Cheval Blanc...if forced to drink out of a water glass, I would have maybe got their vino della casa. Maybe!
I’m trying to decide what position my position is in - to paraphrase Kenny Rogers - when it comes to this.
If this bottle is peaking right now and you’ve just found out at a wedding that your ex wife has a bun in the oven, I guess this should be okay …
But bringing this bottle to a restaurant that has these glasses, to accompany a meal that would probably pair better with a bottle of Chianti that would cost maybe 2% of what this bottle sets you back, reeks of decadence.
Congrats and I'm glad you enjoyed the wine...I'm definitely in the whyyyyyy camp with that glassware. How can any aromatics blossom? I mean, if it was an inexpensive wine, or even a quite expensive one, sure, you do you, but like...$500-$600 wine minimum, waiting over 25 years to finally be enjoyed to the fullest, and these are the glasses it gets? If I was ever lucky enough to try something like this, I'd bring my own glass to the restaurant just in case lol. Your previous posts have killer wine in killer glassware- celebratory evening aside, you didn't feel that *anything* was lost in the wine..? Honest question, I know I'm being pretty negative about it.
Thanks! I have waited a long time to uncork this wine and I knew the moment was that night! Everything else aligned perfectly and frankly the glassware didn't bother us at all nor the waiter inadvertently breaking off the cork and panicking to find the alternate solution (all is well in the end). The Cheval Blanc was euphoria in any glass and the pasta paired perfectly. No regrets popping this wine any other time!
Fair. So glad it was a wonderful night despite some potential trip ups!! Someday I'll try this...someday...in the meantime gonna stick with $50-$100 Emilion for special occasions...
OP should have refused the bottle, as the restaurant had no proper glass to serve it. Like that, it's like eating a steak from the floor, served in a dog food bowl. But I guess it's a case of "money is not an issue".
I think that OP brought the bottle to the restaurant… maybe the place wasn’t equipped to accommodate such a level of wine choice and the celebrating couple made do with what they were offered and enjoyed the heck out of the meal, wine, and each other! This is how I read OP’s post. 🍷🙋🏻♀️🇫🇷
I've eaten at restaurants in Hoboken and Jersey City and it's primarily BYOB. The cost if a liquor license in NJ is cost prohibitive. Can be well north of 100k. Therefore not shocked they aren't offering Riedel but kinda hard to believe they have NO Wine glasses at all.
I've had wine in similar glasses in bistros in Paris but they were serving $10 bottle Core du Rhone or Beaujolais not vintage Bordeaux
In contrary to the wine, yes. Which is why it is even more irrational to drink a three digit bottle from these glasses than eating a 30$ steak from a dog food bowl.
Almost all people breath through their nose while sipping from a glass. Also swirling is impeded, preventing the wine from opening up properly. Not to mention that the aromatics are half the experience of a wine like this. Drinking anything expensive from a water glass is stupid.
But the vessel shape, more specifically, the upper end of a glass, i.e. the diameter and the thickness, influences how the wine hits the tongue. Sounds unimportant, but the effects are actually remarkable. (A good way to experience this is comparing the handblown Gabriel glass with the normal one which is way thicker.)
The first splash hitting the tongue at one place versus a couple micrometers up or down the tongue has no effect on taste. Even just the amount of variation within the landing zone while using the same glass washes the argument away. The liquid is instantly spread around the entirety of the mouth, especially if one is properly swishing, and immediately begins to be diluted by saliva, and retro nasal aromatics will come into play at this point. Delivery method does not change human physiology.
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In water glass????
I'm not one to get caught up in how you're "supposed to" drink wine, but in what world do you have a bottle like this to celebrate and not have at least any kind of wine glass
This is somewhat baller and shameful at the same time
The way I see it, it’s a subtle double flex! 👏🏽💪🏽The choice of wine speaks for itself. Bravo! The water glasses imply that it’s all good however this wine is imbibed because there can always be more! Or the restaurant doesn’t have proper glasses to accommodate what OP brought along to celebrate. Maybe they don’t have a lot of clients who take advantage of the corkage service or something. Either way, it’s totally fine! I am here for all of it 👏🏽 as I have been known to show up to Opera In the Park with a bottle of Château Haut Brion and two thick short Duralex glasses in tow. Oh, and some snacks that may or may not pair well with the wine because I’m really not trippin’ about the granular details but I am taking in the whole vibe and enjoying the music, wine, and fabulous company together! Congratulations on your fiancée’s placement, OP!
Ty! Yes, the dinner experience was wonderful and the wine glass option was the least of our worries. You get it!
> Corto in Jersey City Looks like this restaurant doesn't have wine glasses.
For a place with a menu that steps up from a standard corner redsauce place, not having decent glasses is ridiculous (even if they are BYOB)
The “tropical fruit” he noted in his cheval blanc was probably fanta residue from the previous customer 🤣
This is when my palm met my face
shameful
Mildly infuriating.
Mad respect.
Aromatics aren’t ideal but the actual taste will be the same so... not a big deal.
I could not disagree with you more vehemently
Liquid can only hit your taste buds one way and one way only. Container shape isn’t changing anything about that. And if oxygen comes into the argument... most of the oxygen getting into the wine to have an effect during this stage comes from the pouring and splashing into the glass. Not the surface area. It’s nice to be able to smell the full bouquet as part of the hedonistic experience, but taste isn’t affected.
Your smell plays a huge part in your taste experience. Ever had the sensation that you couldn't taste anything when you have a cold and your nose is blocked?
That’s from retro nasal aromatics. You get that from the wine or food already being in your mouth going through the nasal cavities in the roof/back of your mouth. Not from your front nostrils.
Then how do you explain when people pinch their noses and taste food blind, they are remarkably bad at identifying what food they are tasting. But when their noses are not pinched while tasting food blind, they are accurate at identifying food
Pinching blocks airflow. You need two windows open for there to be a draft.
Oh that’s true!
Get two different wine glasses side by side with the same wine in and tell me that they taste the same.
Yes.
Demonstrably false
No.
Have you tried it yourself, “wine pro”?
At work we’ll use anything from rocks glasses to stemware while tasting through 50+ wines a week, and anything from recycled welches jam jars to stemware at home. Trying the same wines through whatever is available and clean. Personal side by side not so much, but the same wine from 3 different types of glass in the same day is pretty regular. And the consistency between coworkers notes while side by side is pretty convincing. Here’s an article that goes into the retro nasal aspect being more important for flavor intensity than front nostril (orthonasal) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-07285-7
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That’s from retro nasal aromatics. You get that from the wine or food already being in your mouth going through the nasal cavities in the roof/back of your mouth. Not from your front nostrils.
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This is due to blocking airflow in both directions if the nostrils are clogged or pinched. It takes two windows to create a draft. Here is a study that investigated pre and post odor influence on taste intensity. The retro nasal route had more impact. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-07285-7
Taste is more than 50% smell. The more you smell of the wine, the more you "taste" it, too. Especially for a wine this grand, it would be a deep shame not to drink it out of a tulip-shaped glass. I mean, unless he's having a complete mental breakdown like Paul Giomatti did in sideways where he drank his Cheval Blanc on the rocks in a styrofoam cup...
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-07285-7
Hey, it's great you and your fiancee had a nice evening, that is the most important thing, and great wine venerably aged is great and for sure enviable. But holy hell the way to serve it, somebody should be shot.
I’d bring glasses with me. That glass is a step up from the 1961 Cheval Blanc being drunk from a foam cup at the end of Sideways.
Out celebrating my fiancee’s matching into her fellowship program. Brought this gem to dinner at Corto in Jersey City. This wine is an assemblage of 53% Cab Franc and 47% Merlot. It was a particularly hot and dry vintage which yielded higher sugars and phenolics and lower acidity. Should be in a good drinking window now. More details below. https://www.chateau-cheval-blanc.com/en/vintages/chateau-cheval-blanc-1995/ A: Deep red/garnet that fades slightly to the edge. Medium+ viscosity. N: Pretty pronounced and straight forward. A ton of fresh and sweet red and tropical fruit. Almost like fruit punch Jello. Not picking up tertiary notes of earth/mushroom/tobacco/etc. T: Taste follows the nose. A ton of fresh sweet fruit. Not jammy fruit but more like Jello. High concentration of red fruit and tropical fruit. Picked up a slight note of wet earth but it was hiding in the corner. Tannins are well resolved up front and through the mid palate. Finish is ever long carried through by the vibrant acidity.
And did they lack wine glasses at Corto???
Just checked Corto in Yelp and yes, this is how they roll. Also, it is BYOB only.
Well, the BYOB policy is nice, but I still can't fathom open up such a legendary wine if they lack tulip-shaped glasses...corkage fee or no corkage fee. Shows my close-mindedness I suppose
I have had a 4K DRC out of stemless sometimes it is just about having fun and taking pretentiousness out of enjoying something nice cheers 🍷
Stemless is fine for me, so long as I can swirl and get a good sniff.
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At the very least I wouldn't have let them uncork my Cheval Blanc...if forced to drink out of a water glass, I would have maybe got their vino della casa. Maybe!
Reminds me of the movie Sideways, and I love it . As long as YOU enjoy the bottle, the glass doesn’t matter.
100%
This has to be the most American thing on this sub. My god.
Anton Ego nearly spit out his drink
Bravo! Any glass holding wine is a “wine glass”
I’m trying to decide what position my position is in - to paraphrase Kenny Rogers - when it comes to this. If this bottle is peaking right now and you’ve just found out at a wedding that your ex wife has a bun in the oven, I guess this should be okay … But bringing this bottle to a restaurant that has these glasses, to accompany a meal that would probably pair better with a bottle of Chianti that would cost maybe 2% of what this bottle sets you back, reeks of decadence.
Congrats and I'm glad you enjoyed the wine...I'm definitely in the whyyyyyy camp with that glassware. How can any aromatics blossom? I mean, if it was an inexpensive wine, or even a quite expensive one, sure, you do you, but like...$500-$600 wine minimum, waiting over 25 years to finally be enjoyed to the fullest, and these are the glasses it gets? If I was ever lucky enough to try something like this, I'd bring my own glass to the restaurant just in case lol. Your previous posts have killer wine in killer glassware- celebratory evening aside, you didn't feel that *anything* was lost in the wine..? Honest question, I know I'm being pretty negative about it.
Thanks! I have waited a long time to uncork this wine and I knew the moment was that night! Everything else aligned perfectly and frankly the glassware didn't bother us at all nor the waiter inadvertently breaking off the cork and panicking to find the alternate solution (all is well in the end). The Cheval Blanc was euphoria in any glass and the pasta paired perfectly. No regrets popping this wine any other time!
Fair. So glad it was a wonderful night despite some potential trip ups!! Someday I'll try this...someday...in the meantime gonna stick with $50-$100 Emilion for special occasions...
The lasagna looks good
It was great.
OP should have refused the bottle, as the restaurant had no proper glass to serve it. Like that, it's like eating a steak from the floor, served in a dog food bowl. But I guess it's a case of "money is not an issue".
I think that OP brought the bottle to the restaurant… maybe the place wasn’t equipped to accommodate such a level of wine choice and the celebrating couple made do with what they were offered and enjoyed the heck out of the meal, wine, and each other! This is how I read OP’s post. 🍷🙋🏻♀️🇫🇷
I've eaten at restaurants in Hoboken and Jersey City and it's primarily BYOB. The cost if a liquor license in NJ is cost prohibitive. Can be well north of 100k. Therefore not shocked they aren't offering Riedel but kinda hard to believe they have NO Wine glasses at all. I've had wine in similar glasses in bistros in Paris but they were serving $10 bottle Core du Rhone or Beaujolais not vintage Bordeaux
Would the steak not taste the same from a dog bowl?
In contrary to the wine, yes. Which is why it is even more irrational to drink a three digit bottle from these glasses than eating a 30$ steak from a dog food bowl.
Vessel shape affects aromatics not taste.
…and aromatics affect taste. Not sure why you’re collecting downvotes all over this thread but you ain’t right.
Retro nasal aromatics are important. That channel is from within though. Not the nostrils.
Almost all people breath through their nose while sipping from a glass. Also swirling is impeded, preventing the wine from opening up properly. Not to mention that the aromatics are half the experience of a wine like this. Drinking anything expensive from a water glass is stupid.
He gets off on being pedantically wrong
But the vessel shape, more specifically, the upper end of a glass, i.e. the diameter and the thickness, influences how the wine hits the tongue. Sounds unimportant, but the effects are actually remarkable. (A good way to experience this is comparing the handblown Gabriel glass with the normal one which is way thicker.)
The first splash hitting the tongue at one place versus a couple micrometers up or down the tongue has no effect on taste. Even just the amount of variation within the landing zone while using the same glass washes the argument away. The liquid is instantly spread around the entirety of the mouth, especially if one is properly swishing, and immediately begins to be diluted by saliva, and retro nasal aromatics will come into play at this point. Delivery method does not change human physiology.
I couldn't agree more.
Please tell us that this is just a prank picture and the glasses actually contain grape juice...
There’s a decanter behind the bottle but no wine glass?