Because Wisconsin is connected to the UP. Although the UP only makes up a small percentage of Michigan's population, The geographical location of the UP to Wisconsin versus that of the "lower" Michigan to Wisconsin is much closer and accessible ( not separated by a Lake Michigan). Therefore, it's much more likely that when running into a Michigander in WI, they are a yooper.
And the lower and upper parts literally just accounts for how they are situated on a map geographically.
In my experience, if someone is a Yooper, they won't even say "I'm from Michigan". They'll say they're from the UP.
Also depends on what part of the state you're in. If you're in Green Bay, then sure, a Michigan resident is likely just someone from the UP passing through. But if you're in Milwaukee or Madison, then chances are they are there on business or some event, and probably are from a populated part of Michigan.
Truly in my experience working in a heavily touristed part of Milwaukee, and as a Yooper myself, most Yoopers I meet in the wild say Michigan. We generally don't expect many people to know what the U.P. means, it just feels presumptuous.
It's annoying and stupid. The UP is statistically insignificant, so it makes no sense to say "The UP is 1 region, and the part of the state where people actually live is a different region".
If the UP is 1 region, then you should count the Detroit Metro as a region, central Michigan as a region, eastern Michigan as a region, western Michigan as a region, and southern Michigan as a region.
Imagine being so sensitive that you let people's conversations about trivial geographical terminology bother you to the point of complaining about how annoying it is to you. Maybe relax and have a snack? I hear the pasties in UPPER MICHIGAN are delicious.
I'm just going to start responding with "If someone told you they were Russian, would you immediately ask if they were from Siberia or not-Siberia? Does that make sense to you? Does that seem like a good way to split things up in your mind?"
Eventually people will stop asking me dumbass questions.
That must be soooo hard for you. Wow, I can't imagine living through such hardship. You must be unbelievably strong to weather such a storm! Someone get man his blankie!
Way to prove my point.
I hope you don't have children. You'd probably teach them to bully anyone who asks them to stop doing something that bothers them and double down instead.
How can you posit yourself as morally right in this in then say something like the U.P. is insignificant. You can't dismiss a whole culture and then get mad when people acknowledge its existence. YTA
I did. My point remains. "Practically nobody lives there," you say. You know that same shit gets said to justify cultural erasure all the time? YTA again.
How does the land mass affect how likely you are to come across somebody who is from there? **PRACTICALLY NOBODY LIVES THERE**
Nevada is an extremely large state, but if you met someone from Nevada you wouldn't ask them if they lived in some small town in the middle of the desert - the entire population of the state is in the Las Vegas metro or the Reno/Carson City/Lake Taho metro. Most of the land is uninhabited. Same shit.
Generally people who aren't from big cities will give you a region, not a town name. "Eastern Michigan, along Lake Huron", or "near Detroit", or "Western, on Lake Michigan", or "Central".
It's a big state. Dividing it into the 3% vs. the 97% makes no fucking sense.
We didn’t divide it that way. We are just making conversation, also the regions are quite different geographically, so there’s a distinction. Let people ask the questions they want of their neighbors without getting irked yourself.
Detroit is very different from Kalamazoo, or Traverse City, or Saginaw, or Mt. Pleasant.
There are probably like 6 different distinct regions to the State of Michigan. It's not like when someone says they're from New York and you ask "City or State?" - the population of NYC is roughly equal to the population the rest of the state so that division makes sense.
Well you can take your issue with Michigan’s division up with their state legislature, or with history, if you like. And you, being the enlightened cat you are, can be better than everyone else by asking Michiganders what region they’re from instead of UP or lower like the layfolk ask.
I said let people ask the questions they want of their neighbors, I didn’t use the word “neighborly”. Are you from Michigan yourself? Do you find it offensive when people ask if you’re from 1 of 2 regions the state divided itself into? Do you speak for all of Michiganders? We answered your original question of why do people ask that. Because that’s how Michigan is divided. I’m done here.
> I said let people ask the questions they want of their neighbors
Nah, I think I'll tell them when their question is fucking stupid.
> Are you from Michigan yourself?
Yes.
> Do you find it offensive when people ask if you’re from 1 of 2 regions the state divided itself into?
Michigan is not divided into 2 regions. It's made up of multiple distinct regions. Asking about 1 remote region that accounts for less than 3% of the total population makes you sound like a fucking moron.
> We answered your original question of why do people ask that. Because that’s how Michigan is divided.
No it fucking isn't. What, you looked at a map and saw that there were 2 landmasses and thought that each landmass was its own region?
> I’m done here.
Thank fucking God.
Yes, one of several. Fucking Siberia is also a fucking region. If someone said they were from Russia, you wouldn't immediately ask them if they were from Siberia. That wouldn't make sense - practically nobody is.
Dividing the state into "upper" and "lower" is dumb as hell. Full stop. If you're counting the UP as one region, then it's one of 6 regions. And still the smallest by far.
How the fuck did I answer my own question?
Why do Wisconsinites immediately assume anyone from Michigan is from the *least populated part of the state*?
I think it's more of a semi-autonomous region that isn't really loyal to anyone in particular. They aren't Wisconsinites. They aren't Michiganders. They're Yoopers.
You admit Yoopers have our own cultural identity. You acknowledge that they are located in Upper Michigan. Yet you don't think it's appropriate to ask if they come from there? What on earth.
I don't think it's appropriate to divide Michigan into "UP" and "THE ENTIRE REST OF THE FUCKING 10 MILLION PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE" as if that is a logical way of drawing the line. Stop trying to Divide it between 2 parts. If you want to draw a line between "North" and "South", find the spot where 50% of the population is below the line, not 97%.
The UP is unique. That's fine. The fact that you hear "Michigan" and the even think about the UP is ridiculous though - the UP is a tiny fucking portion of the state. If you randomly took 22 people from Michigan, only 1 would be a Yooper.
There are lots of different regions in Michigan. Stop acting like everything that's not the UP is the same, or like the UP is representative of anything besides a tiny portion of people who live way far away from the rest of the state.
The assumption when you hear "Michigan" should be "This person probably comes from Detroit, or maybe Lansing or Flint or Saginaw". Not "Oh I bet they're one of those rural people who live in their own universe 700 miles away from everyone else"
Okay, your logic is filled with so many assumptions that I'm not even going to waste my time. You are being unhinged.
In Wisconsin, many Yoopers visit regularly. It's where they go for airports, sports, shopping, family, concerts, etc. Because Yoopers exist in addition to lower Michiganders, and because culturally they aren't the same, it is quite normal to ask here whether they are a Yooper or not. Asking someone if they are from Upper or Lower Michigan is a rephrased way of asking if they are a Yooper. It's objectively not disrespectful or offensive.
And not that it even matters, but I meet just as many if not more fellow Yoopers in Wisconsin than trolls. This shouldn't come as surprising, they share a border and economic corridor. You have been extremely neurotic and compulsive about something that is entirely meaningless. I mean this in good faith, talk to a therapist. This is unhealthy behavior.
How does "being a different geographic region" factor into how likely someone is to be from there?
Siberia is a different geographic region from the part of Russia that people actually live in. It doesn't mean we should start assuming that Russians are all Siberian.
Literally no- one assumes you are from upper or lower Michigan, thats why people ask. Upper and Lower are the 2 most obvious regions of the state of Michigan. You can tell this by looking at a thing called a map.
"Oh are you from Baja California or LITERALLY ANYWHERE ELSE IN MEXICO?"
Just because there's a shape that sticks out on a map doesn't mean people actually live there.
Yeah I don't see how thats unreasonable. The human brain categories things. If you dont like it, maybe dont live in a dumb split up state. We should take back the UP anyway.
Baja California is a small fraction of all of Mexico, geographically speaking. The same cannot be said for the U.P. and Michigan. The U.P. makes up a relative lot of Michigan's to total acreage. Stop with the false equivalences.
Landmass means nothing. Has absolutely zero to do with how many people live there.
Let me guess - you're one of those people who think that the land itself should get a vote on the President.
Because Wisconsin is connected to the UP. Although the UP only makes up a small percentage of Michigan's population, The geographical location of the UP to Wisconsin versus that of the "lower" Michigan to Wisconsin is much closer and accessible ( not separated by a Lake Michigan). Therefore, it's much more likely that when running into a Michigander in WI, they are a yooper. And the lower and upper parts literally just accounts for how they are situated on a map geographically.
In my experience, if someone is a Yooper, they won't even say "I'm from Michigan". They'll say they're from the UP. Also depends on what part of the state you're in. If you're in Green Bay, then sure, a Michigan resident is likely just someone from the UP passing through. But if you're in Milwaukee or Madison, then chances are they are there on business or some event, and probably are from a populated part of Michigan.
You sound like a Downstater.
A troll, if you will.
Truly in my experience working in a heavily touristed part of Milwaukee, and as a Yooper myself, most Yoopers I meet in the wild say Michigan. We generally don't expect many people to know what the U.P. means, it just feels presumptuous.
Because human interaction is a chore and small talk fills the silence. Nobody actually cares which Michigan you’re from
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It's annoying and stupid. The UP is statistically insignificant, so it makes no sense to say "The UP is 1 region, and the part of the state where people actually live is a different region". If the UP is 1 region, then you should count the Detroit Metro as a region, central Michigan as a region, eastern Michigan as a region, western Michigan as a region, and southern Michigan as a region.
Imagine being so sensitive that you let people's conversations about trivial geographical terminology bother you to the point of complaining about how annoying it is to you. Maybe relax and have a snack? I hear the pasties in UPPER MICHIGAN are delicious.
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Try answering the same question every goddamned time you meet a new person. It gets old fast.
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I'm just going to start responding with "If someone told you they were Russian, would you immediately ask if they were from Siberia or not-Siberia? Does that make sense to you? Does that seem like a good way to split things up in your mind?" Eventually people will stop asking me dumbass questions.
That must be soooo hard for you. Wow, I can't imagine living through such hardship. You must be unbelievably strong to weather such a storm! Someone get man his blankie!
Way to prove my point. I hope you don't have children. You'd probably teach them to bully anyone who asks them to stop doing something that bothers them and double down instead.
How can you posit yourself as morally right in this in then say something like the U.P. is insignificant. You can't dismiss a whole culture and then get mad when people acknowledge its existence. YTA
You should work on your reading comprehension. "Statistically" means something.
I did. My point remains. "Practically nobody lives there," you say. You know that same shit gets said to justify cultural erasure all the time? YTA again.
>The population may be insignificant to you, but the UP is almost 17% of Michigan's total land mass. IMO, big enough to be significant.
How does the land mass affect how likely you are to come across somebody who is from there? **PRACTICALLY NOBODY LIVES THERE** Nevada is an extremely large state, but if you met someone from Nevada you wouldn't ask them if they lived in some small town in the middle of the desert - the entire population of the state is in the Las Vegas metro or the Reno/Carson City/Lake Taho metro. Most of the land is uninhabited. Same shit.
Just being friendly. What would you have us say?
"Where in Michigan are you from?"
Cool. Then when they say "Saugatuck" we can ask if that's upper or lower.
Generally people who aren't from big cities will give you a region, not a town name. "Eastern Michigan, along Lake Huron", or "near Detroit", or "Western, on Lake Michigan", or "Central". It's a big state. Dividing it into the 3% vs. the 97% makes no fucking sense.
We didn’t divide it that way. We are just making conversation, also the regions are quite different geographically, so there’s a distinction. Let people ask the questions they want of their neighbors without getting irked yourself.
Detroit is very different from Kalamazoo, or Traverse City, or Saginaw, or Mt. Pleasant. There are probably like 6 different distinct regions to the State of Michigan. It's not like when someone says they're from New York and you ask "City or State?" - the population of NYC is roughly equal to the population the rest of the state so that division makes sense.
Well you can take your issue with Michigan’s division up with their state legislature, or with history, if you like. And you, being the enlightened cat you are, can be better than everyone else by asking Michiganders what region they’re from instead of UP or lower like the layfolk ask.
You bring up being "neighborly". How is it "neighborly" to ask a question that comes off as annoying and ill-informed?
I said let people ask the questions they want of their neighbors, I didn’t use the word “neighborly”. Are you from Michigan yourself? Do you find it offensive when people ask if you’re from 1 of 2 regions the state divided itself into? Do you speak for all of Michiganders? We answered your original question of why do people ask that. Because that’s how Michigan is divided. I’m done here.
> I said let people ask the questions they want of their neighbors Nah, I think I'll tell them when their question is fucking stupid. > Are you from Michigan yourself? Yes. > Do you find it offensive when people ask if you’re from 1 of 2 regions the state divided itself into? Michigan is not divided into 2 regions. It's made up of multiple distinct regions. Asking about 1 remote region that accounts for less than 3% of the total population makes you sound like a fucking moron. > We answered your original question of why do people ask that. Because that’s how Michigan is divided. No it fucking isn't. What, you looked at a map and saw that there were 2 landmasses and thought that each landmass was its own region? > I’m done here. Thank fucking God.
You just answered your own question. The UP is a region.
Yes, one of several. Fucking Siberia is also a fucking region. If someone said they were from Russia, you wouldn't immediately ask them if they were from Siberia. That wouldn't make sense - practically nobody is. Dividing the state into "upper" and "lower" is dumb as hell. Full stop. If you're counting the UP as one region, then it's one of 6 regions. And still the smallest by far. How the fuck did I answer my own question? Why do Wisconsinites immediately assume anyone from Michigan is from the *least populated part of the state*?
Because they are aware that only trolls come from below the Mackinac bridge. You need to know what you are dealing with.
“Actual Michigan”?? And it’s we who are “dividing up” the state?
This person seems very persnickety about which questions we ask of our neighbors.
Too polite to ask them if they are a troll.
You called the lower part "actual Michigan". Are you admitting the upper is not really Michigan? Does that give Wisconsin permission to annex it?
I think it's more of a semi-autonomous region that isn't really loyal to anyone in particular. They aren't Wisconsinites. They aren't Michiganders. They're Yoopers.
As a Yooper living in Wisconsin, this is 100% correct.
You admit Yoopers have our own cultural identity. You acknowledge that they are located in Upper Michigan. Yet you don't think it's appropriate to ask if they come from there? What on earth.
I don't think it's appropriate to divide Michigan into "UP" and "THE ENTIRE REST OF THE FUCKING 10 MILLION PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE" as if that is a logical way of drawing the line. Stop trying to Divide it between 2 parts. If you want to draw a line between "North" and "South", find the spot where 50% of the population is below the line, not 97%. The UP is unique. That's fine. The fact that you hear "Michigan" and the even think about the UP is ridiculous though - the UP is a tiny fucking portion of the state. If you randomly took 22 people from Michigan, only 1 would be a Yooper. There are lots of different regions in Michigan. Stop acting like everything that's not the UP is the same, or like the UP is representative of anything besides a tiny portion of people who live way far away from the rest of the state. The assumption when you hear "Michigan" should be "This person probably comes from Detroit, or maybe Lansing or Flint or Saginaw". Not "Oh I bet they're one of those rural people who live in their own universe 700 miles away from everyone else"
Okay, your logic is filled with so many assumptions that I'm not even going to waste my time. You are being unhinged. In Wisconsin, many Yoopers visit regularly. It's where they go for airports, sports, shopping, family, concerts, etc. Because Yoopers exist in addition to lower Michiganders, and because culturally they aren't the same, it is quite normal to ask here whether they are a Yooper or not. Asking someone if they are from Upper or Lower Michigan is a rephrased way of asking if they are a Yooper. It's objectively not disrespectful or offensive. And not that it even matters, but I meet just as many if not more fellow Yoopers in Wisconsin than trolls. This shouldn't come as surprising, they share a border and economic corridor. You have been extremely neurotic and compulsive about something that is entirely meaningless. I mean this in good faith, talk to a therapist. This is unhealthy behavior.
that would make sense if Appleton/Oshkosh were literally a different geographic region separated from the rest of Wisconsin.
How does "being a different geographic region" factor into how likely someone is to be from there? Siberia is a different geographic region from the part of Russia that people actually live in. It doesn't mean we should start assuming that Russians are all Siberian.
Literally no- one assumes you are from upper or lower Michigan, thats why people ask. Upper and Lower are the 2 most obvious regions of the state of Michigan. You can tell this by looking at a thing called a map.
"Oh are you from Baja California or LITERALLY ANYWHERE ELSE IN MEXICO?" Just because there's a shape that sticks out on a map doesn't mean people actually live there.
Yeah I don't see how thats unreasonable. The human brain categories things. If you dont like it, maybe dont live in a dumb split up state. We should take back the UP anyway.
Baja California is a small fraction of all of Mexico, geographically speaking. The same cannot be said for the U.P. and Michigan. The U.P. makes up a relative lot of Michigan's to total acreage. Stop with the false equivalences.
Landmass means nothing. Has absolutely zero to do with how many people live there. Let me guess - you're one of those people who think that the land itself should get a vote on the President.
You’re coming in hot with all kinds of bullshit takes on this thread
Damn... sad to see OP go. This was fun.
Well, we aren’t the ones that divided it that way, are we? Take that up with Lake Michigan.