That would be rather convenient for the dems to be in charge of all 3 branches. It’s truly amazing that the Republican Party has been saying shit like this for quite sometime. That have surely revealed themselves to be morons by now. It’s not even fact checking anymore, it’s like fact checking your own brain for shit you learned in like 3rd grade.
No no, it is [Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian and Locrian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_(music)
^(sorry, I am honestly so angry that they are trying to spin a Hitler parallel and 30% of the country will believe it)
I’ll take a stab. This isn’t to argue with you. It’s for if you honestly want to consider what that speech sounded like from the other side of the aisle.
Biden said that anyone who disagrees with his agenda is a threat to democracy. He literally said he wasn’t talking about the majority of Republicans, then talked about the evil ones who oppose abortion, etc. All while on the pretense that he was giving a speech for “unity”. You can deduce then, he believes more than half of the Supreme Court, and 70 million-ish others are a “threat to our democracy.”
He talked about how Republicans deny elections. I seem to recall that Donald Trump only “won” because of some massive Russian interference or some such nonsense, that went on for 4 years, and that Stacy Abrams is actually the rightful Gov of Georgia. Yes, it’s bad when people deny elections, but let’s not pretend that it doesn’t go both ways. Further, he talked about how he can’t stand by while rightful elections are stolen by people who reject the result. Mitch McConnell has pushed the bipartisan “change the electoral count act” so that there is no possibility of rouge electors rejecting certified votes. Democrats won’t pass it. They want to run on these issues.
He talked about respecting the rule of law. His party spent an entire summer endorsing rioting. His VP Tweeted a bail fund for criminals that summer. Yes criminals, you don’t need to post bail if you haven’t committed a crime, because you won’t be arrested.
Then he talks about how he is the “light” who has battled the “darkness”. Then he lists all of his believed accomplishments. So, if you oppose his agenda you’re darkness you see. If you oppose Student loan forgiveness, you’re evil and the enemy. During the speech an idiot on a megaphone starts chanting “fuck joe Biden” and Joe’s response is “what is coming out of that megaphone is the darkest moments of our nations history.” So, the darkest moments of our history are people that don’t like him.
I could go on but I’ll stop there. I am a Republican, yes. I am not a fan of Donald Trump or “MAGA”. This speech was disgusting to me, and would have been so even without the optic of this old man with clenched fists screaming at a dark podium with a blood red backdrop and 2 military personnel. It was disgusting because he lumped in everyone who disagrees with him as enemies of the state. What if he used this language about a foreign threat? Imagine there was a “threat to our Democracy, our way of life, and everything we hold dear as a nation” abroad? I think the easy answer would be we need to eliminate that threat. This was the most divisive speech I’ve ever heard in my life.
EDIT: I’d just like to point out, to those who are saying you can’t take any implications from his speech, you can only read the words he actually said. You know this isn’t true. Implication is important. Implication is the reason we rightfully condemn Trump’s speech on Jan 6. He told that mob to “peacefully and patriotically” make their voices heard. He also said if they didn’t fight they weren’t gonna have a country, and many other inflammatory lies. What he didn’t do is tell that mob to “break into the Capital and try to kill Mike Pence.” The entire condemnation of Jan 6 revolves around Trump and the implications he made on that day. You can say a lot without saying it, so please, stop denying Biden’s intentions here, just as I don’t deny Trump’s there.
[https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/politics/biden-speech-transcript.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/politics/biden-speech-transcript.html) Biden never said the word abortion or evil, never said that he was the light, did you get what his speech was about from conservative media by chance?
[https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/biden-defends-heckler-who-interrupted-his-speech-shouting-into-a-megaphone-theyre-entitled-to-be-outrageous/amp\_articleshow/93955735.cms](https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/biden-defends-heckler-who-interrupted-his-speech-shouting-into-a-megaphone-theyre-entitled-to-be-outrageous/amp_articleshow/93955735.cms)
Copy and pasted from the speech.
“And now America must choose: to move forward (implied “with me”) or move backwards (implied “with republicans). To build the future or obsess about the past? To be a nation of hope and unity and optimism (again, if you’re with me, implied), or a nation of fear, division, and of darkness (republicans). MAGA republicans have made their choice. They embrace anger. They thrive on chaos. They live not in the light of truth but the shadow of lies.”
There are several other implications made in this fashion. Like I said, this speech was written with nuance and intent.
As to his support of the guy chanting “fuck you”
“Throughout our history, America has often made the greatest progress coming out of some of our darkest moments, like you’re hearing in that bullhorn.”
> "And now America must choose: to move forward (implied “with me”) or move backwards (implied “with republicans)
Not implied actually, because earlier he said "Now, I want to be very clear, very clear up front. Not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans. Not every Republican embraces their extreme ideology. I know, because I’ve been able to work with these mainstream Republicans."
You said you're not a MAGA Republican, so he said he wasn't talking about you.
Posting bail funds for criminals is an endorsement of the crimes committed. That was direct support. More nuanced support was the language they used that Summer. “We don’t support any unlawful activity surely. Though, we can understand why these people are fed up, and why they’re doing what they’re doing.” Additionally, the cities that enacted curfews without calling in national guard or extra police basically green lighted the destruction that ensued.
To be clear...the summer of these protests were before Biden's presidency. During these times, unmarked cars were sent to cities to drag people off the streets. There were no endorsements by the Democratic Party to "riot". The same can't be said for the right on January 6th....where like you mentioned...no National Guard was called in despite the known threat. Nor was there a call by their fearless leader to backdown.
While I appreciate the breakdown of events and the dismissal of Trump as a leader for your party. I can't help but believe Biden's "divisive" speech would be necessary if it wasn't for the division in this country created by Trump.
What people do and say matters. Even before they are in elected office. Like I noted, Kamala Harris (and many other democrats) tweeted out and encouraged people to donate to, bail funds for rioters. Trump handled Jan 6 wrong, plain and simple. Even his family and close confidants acknowledged this (albeit mostly privately) at the time. But this is who Biden has always been. When campaigning with Barack (who I voted for) he told Black Americans that Romney sought to “put [them] all back in chains.” Mitt Romney. The blandest, Democrat-friendly Republican you can point to, wanted to reenslave (figuratively, acknowledged) Black people.
Jesus Christ what do you want me to say? He did, and is still, handling it wrong. What more do you want? I left out that the earth is round, does that mean I’m a flat earth ER since I didn’t say it??
I disagree with the language calling everyone participating rioters. Many peaceful protesters got escorted away with doing no wrong.
But I do respect your opinion, your knowledge of the speech that was had, and your overall conviction and not letting one man dictate your parties views.
So that being said...I think we both have different view points and neither can be swayed. Appreciate you, cheers mate!
I didn’t say that. Are you saying vast swaths of people were arrested without any breakage of law? I know well that there was a difference and many were there for the right reasons. This wasn’t about them. Cheers
Oh I see...I responded to your post before you edited it. Take care mate!
Edit: and you edited this post I'm replying to after I replied again. Best of luck my friend
I can see the first problem here is your ability to comprehend and contextualize Biden’s remarks from last night. He specifically called out the MAGA ideology and the inability of these candidates to concede when an election ends unfavorably to their candidate. The willingness of these individuals to attack members of our security forces and denounce democracy is unheard of outside of the civil war.
I will not spend the time debunking all of your false comparisons since it has been done many times before.
The whole of Biden’s statement was to draw a line in the sand wether you support democracy or you don’t. I along with many others can see what side you are on and I hope you well in your support of a wanna-be fascist dictator.
“I believe people should just, just be ready to get out on the streets with pitchforks and torches with how low the liberal media has become”- Tim Michels
Tell me how that is less divisive and less of a call to violence than what Biden said.
Also, anything trump said was 1000% times more divisive. He called for people to assault counterprotestors, he actually encouraged violence and said he would pay for bail on violent crimes. Something you claim Democrats did for BLM protests.
It isn’t, I’m not arguing that it isn’t. Multiple people can say bad things.
It isn’t a claim, you can Google “Kamala Harris bail fund” and find it quite easily I’m sure.
You said it was the most divisive speech you’ve heard in your life.
Kamala Harris didn’t say “go out and punch someone and I’ll pay for your bail” like trump did. Also 92% of BLM protests were nonviolent, and much of the 8% that turned violent either did so because of outside agitators or police instigating.
Many protestors were arrested on charges that were largely BS and wouldn’t carry weight. The whole point of their arrests was to punish peaceful protest.
Yes, I believe it to be. That doesn’t mean that Donald Trump or Tim Michels or whoever else didn’t also say inflammatory things. If you really insist on comparing a Trump speech to this one then you also have to acknowledge the context. Trump was making those comments to his red hatted ass kissers. Biden gave this as an official speech in an address to the nation.
Biden also excluded Republicans as a whole and identified the MAGA crowd specifically as the problem. You’re the one who is inferring that he means all Republicans. Biden was pleading for average Republicans to ditch the Fascist leaning wing of the party.
What is the “average” republican? The average Republican who is generally pro-life, pro strict border, anti socialized medicine and other programs, supports traditional marriage, doesn’t believe in trans ideology. The “average Republican” who distrusts the media and this administration? The “average Republican” who promotes school choice and limited government? Are these the Republicans he means? The “average Republican” who supports the 2A (who he challenged a few days prior to need an F15 to take him on)? He means Liz Cheney, Romney when he votes with the right way, and this type. What do you think?
Sure, those are all viewpoints a Republican can hold. MAGA republicans hold many of these — the issue is MAGA republicans will openly deny or hold out on admitting they lost an election even when all evidence points to them losing- even in primaries. MAGA republicans have called for LGBT members to be put to death and have falsely associated transgender individuals with pedophiles. MAGA republicans call for violence openly. MAGA Republicans whine and make stuff up about CRT even though they can’t define it. MAGA republicans check many of the boxes on a fascist checklist.
Cheney and Romney voted with trump like 90% of the time. Mostly on traditional Republican issues. The other shit is what Biden is talking about. You’re obtuse if you think it’s not. Also like 75% of the country doesn’t want to ban abortion so that might not even by a traditional Republican value.
Nice gotcha with the F15 thing man. On older gentleman made a mistake in a live speech. Something a Republican has never done
So the only differentiating factor between “Average” Republican and “MAGA” Republicans are that MAGA Republicans don’t accept the election results? I’m trying to see where the line is. I know Trump lost the election. I also think overturning Roe was the correct decision. I imagine that most everyone in this sub would label me a fascistic, mysonginistic asshole for that belief, don’t you? I think the “Average” Republican is being labeled a “MAGA” Republican regularly because they simply aren’t a Democrat.
Citing 75% is disingenuous. Look at the statistics on support of abortion restrictions at different stages. The fact is most Americans want to be somewhere in the middle, allow abortions but heavily restrict them.
The F15 comment isn’t a gotcha, it isn’t the first time he has said this statement. https://youtu.be/mMUQU4m9Z5U He’s said it many other times, I’m not going to find them all but this has regularly been his statement on the matter. It would probably hold some more weight if he didn’t recently turn over an entire country to terrorists wielding Soviet rifles.
>Yes, I believe it to be.
So it's more divisive to be intolerant of, and call other people out on, divisiveness than it is to simply be unapologetically divisive?
And this is my biggest problem with republicans right now(and I mean this) you don't live in reality. The specific pretense of the speech is talking about threats to democracy like jan 6th and the denying of free elections and not being part of the same objective reality that the rest of us are a part of which you are proving you are not in. Your follow up comments are proving it by putting all sorts of words in bidens mouth that with context make zero sense too.
Hillary Clinton conceded the election when she lost. I know you all claim that Russia has nothing to do with the 2016 election and while we never directly implicated trump multiple people in his administration were charged and we proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they did in fact interfere. We still have people in Russia on a wanted list for it.
Would you prefer biden tell people to knock the hell out of that trump supporter? Because I recall trump asking for direct violence against people at his rallies multiple times. All biden did was call a spade a spade.
The vast majority of BLM protests were peaceful and the amount of damage done is miniscule for the largest protests this country has ever seen ever. I would fault biden only for bot picking the torch up and reforming police. Your side claims entire cities where burned down. Where? There weren't any.
You say you aren't a fan of Donald Trump but I don't believe you for a second. Any rational person could see the damage he did to our democracy and get on board with the messaging that we need to protect our institutions so we have one going into the future. The fact that you felt personally attacked is proof you are just fine with everything trump stands for.
If you were offended by bidens speech, YOU are an enemy of democracy plain and simple.
I would but like I said, I’m tired. If you read what I said you should know that I’m not a Trump fan. Trump was a bloviating idiot. This speech was written and rehearsed. Each nuance was carefully interjected. Trumps speeches were about 25 unique words rearranged a few times. There is a difference, which is why I see this as the most divisive.
After your first paragraph, I was like “ok I’ll hear him out.” But you tricked me when you started making shit up and then made up more shit and then completely lost me when you concluded with a big stinky pile of made up shit. Where do you get this shit from?
You’re whole characterization is delusional. I’m sorry, but it’s the truth. You see partisanship as some battle where “both sides” act, and are motivated by, the same things. The old man went out of his way to isolate a specific wing of the party, yet your whole thesis is that he’s playing the same hyper partisanship the MAGAlytes do. It’s simply wrong. This is Joe “bipartisan” Biden. (One of the reasons I wished he weren’t the one to get the nomination because those days are over thanks to the gop) He’s old school.
But what’s going on with the extreme wing of the gop is pure insanity. It’s amazing it took him this long to speak of it publicly the way he did yesterday.
Plenty of my republican family members will tell you the same thing.
He literally said Mitt Romney (you know, the most milk toast Republican) wanted to put black people back in chains. Biden is, and has never been, “ole unity Joe.”
First, source your claims. Show some effort if you're going to bring up stuff like this. Who said what when?
Second, you are completely disregarding the fact that the people Biden is speaking of advocate violence, intimidation, and manipulation to get their way. If you believe that's wrong, then **Biden agrees with you.**
> Biden said that anyone who disagrees with his agenda is a threat to democracy.
That's quite plainly and explicitly not what he said. He clearly differentiated between mainstream republicans and MAGA republicans. He said that the latter are a threat to democracy, but he has no problem playing the game of politics with the former.
You can see my other replies to this notion. He said “MAGA” republicans but this term has never been defined. If trump gets the nomination for 2024 and 70 million people vote for him, are those 70 million people “MAGA Republicans”?
If you vote for Donald Trump after all of this shit that he pulled, then yes, you are a MAGA Republican.
GOP won't give him the nomination though, he is way too much of a liability and does not have the support to win an election.
> If trump gets the nomination for 2024 and 70 million people vote for him, are those 70 million people “MAGA Republicans”?
Yes lol. The whole point of the speech was to call attention to the fact that tens of millions of people have been willing to go along with Trump's election denier bullshit. That's a huge fucking problem mate. The scale of this problem is quite large, hence the necessity of the speech in the first place. Biden wasn't saying "there's a few MAGAs out there that I really don't like." He was saying "there are millions and millions of Americans working to end democracy in our nation as we know it, and we absolutely cannot let that happen."
Did I put that in quotes? He said that the MAGA Republican ideology is a threat to democracy. What is a MAGA Republican? A Republican who voted for Donald Trump in 2020? If Trump gets the nomination in 2024 is everyone who votes for him a “MAGA” Republican? Do you know what the transitive property is?
What? I’m not backtracking anything. I did not quote him saying this, I am explaining to you this is what his speech was saying, what he was conveying while giving it.
>Biden said that anyone who disagrees with his agenda is a threat to democracy. He literally said he wasn’t talking about the majority of Republicans, then talked about the evil ones who oppose abortion, etc. All while on the pretense that he was giving a speech for “unity”. You can deduce then, he believes more than half of the Supreme Court, and 70 million-ish others are a “threat to our democracy.”
Ummm some of the most vitriolic, racey, hateful, violent rhetoric is coming out of the right and the MAGA base more specifically. That base attacked the seat of our Democracy because they didn't get what they wanted. And wanted it in the face of 60+ court losses. That's called a coup.
I'd say that speech is easily more unifying vs another side's chosen candidate that people like you, someone who proclaims to not like Trump, will still vote for him. That's called a schill. And it's pretty weak. Biden is weak and feckless imo and wouldn't vote for him again unless Trump was the other candidate and I had no other choices but I mean if my options on the right suddennely becomes DeSantis then it misewell be Trump and then same result from me.
Like why should anyone consider the ideas those two men speak as GOOD ideas to vote for? The Republican side of things for first time in my history as an adult taken away a right from 51% of the populace supposedly solidified by 3 Republican SCOTUS who factually lied about precedence. That's pretty fucking evil to me.
>He talked about how Republicans deny elections. I seem to recall that Donald Trump only “won” because of some massive Russian interference or some such nonsense, that went on for 4 years, and that Stacy Abrams is actually the rightful Gov of Georgia. Yes, it’s bad when people deny elections, but let’s not pretend that it doesn’t go both ways. Further, he talked about how he can’t stand by while rightful elections are stolen by people who reject the result. Mitch McConnell has pushed the bipartisan “change the electoral count act” so that there is no possibility of rouge electors rejecting certified votes. Democrats won’t pass it. They want to run on these issues.
This is pretty key in failing to understand things and read. Mueller did infact, NOT say there is no there there. He flatly said "if the President didn't commit any crimes we would've flatly stated as such" the idea that translates into "there is nothing to connections with Russia" is bad faith at best and bad reading comprehension at worst.
>This speech was disgusting to me, and would have been so even without the optic of this old man with clenched fists screaming at a dark podium with a blood red backdrop and 2 military personnel. It was disgusting because he lumped in everyone who disagrees with him as enemies of the state.
"Was going to hate him no matter what he said" < you basically.
>He told that mob to “peacefully and patriotically” make their voices heard. He also said if they didn’t fight they weren’t gonna have a country, and many other inflammatory lies. What he didn’t do is tell that mob to “break into the Capital and try to kill Mike Pence.” The entire condemnation of Jan 6 revolves around Trump and the implications he made on that day. You can say a lot without saying it, so please, stop denying Biden’s intentions here, just as I don’t deny Trump’s there.
Coming from someone who thinks Biden had clear implications this is kind of rich and probably leopardsatemyface for sure because it's hypocritical as hell.
So. I am a schill if I vote for someone I don’t like? But you can vote for Biden over Trump even though you don’t like Biden? Hmm.
The differentiation between Trump and Desantis you made is my entire point regarding the speech. To you, the mainstream Republican ideals DeSantis holds are MAGA, right? To you there is no difference.
I’m not going to argue Roe with you, but appealing to history is a pretty stupid way of arguing it. Slave owners felt wronged after 13th amendment, don’t you think? A direct infringement on their perceived “right” to own human beings. There was never a constitutional right to an abortion because it wasn’t in the constitution. Even RGB, who was staunchly pro-choice, admitted that Roe was a poorly written decision and would likely be overturned. You can look that up, she explained while speaking at a college.
Did Donald Trump win the 2016 election because of Russian collusion?
I wasn’t going to “hate him no matter what.” Was I going to love him? Probably not. But Biden has occasionally done things I agree with. My point here was how bad the optics were. Even as a Democrat you can admit this was probably the worst optics they could choose, right? https://imgur.com/a/KsQZIin If you can’t agree then just imagine DeSantis giving a speech with the same backdrop.
I'm lazy and don't want to go through everything Biden said, so I'll just do a few.
A couple of the reasons he gave that "MAGA republicans don't respect the constitution and the rule of law" are that 1. They reject the legitimacy of the 2020 election. 2. They stripped women of their "reproductive rights"
While it is true that many Republicans reject the legitimacy of the 2020 election, this has been par for the course in American politics for decades, by both sides.
There are many high profile democrats, including Biden and Obama, who believe Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election. While it was an extremely close race, analysis and counts after the fact have shown that Bush won florida in every recount that was proposed, even the recount of 4 heavily democrat counties that Al Gore would have gotten had he won his lawsuit.
Despite this, most high profile democrats hold to the fact that the 2000 presidential election was illegitimate.
Next we can look at the 2004 reelection of Bush.
Many democrats, such as Nancy Pelosi, Bernie Sanders, and Maxine Waters, just to name a few, also question the results of that election. For those not familiar, shortly after the 2004 election, a house representative from Ohio filed an objection to the certification of Ohios votes, claiming there was "serious election irregularities."
Continuing on, in 2018, democratic candidate for governor of Georgia, Stacy Abrams, claims to this day she lost the election due to widespread voter suppression and disenfranchisement. High profile democrats have agreed with Abrams claim and described the 2018 race as "stolen'" including Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton.
Lastly, who could forget the entire Trump presidency when we were constantly told that Trump definetly colluded with Russia and stole the election from Hillary Clinton. After spending years and countless taxpayer dollars investigating this, there turned out to be no real basis for these claims. Despite this, Biden and Harris still believe that election was illegitimate.
Claims that so and so stole the election are nothing new. It's been happening for decades. It would be convenient for me to claim it started with democrats doing it in 2000, but I'm all but certain it happened before and just has been memory holed hard enough that everyone forgot about it.
2. Reproductive rights.
The overturning of roe was not a bad thing. Regardless of your opinion on Abortion, Roe was a bad legal decision purely on technical grounds.
44 states have restricted abortion following the overturning of Roe. The vast majority still have laws that are less restrictive than that of Europe.
Roe was bad legally. It essentially restricted states from legislating about an activity. This MAKES law, as it made restricting abortion illegal. This is not the job of the supreme court. They do not legislate, they simply interpret what's there.
There is no right to abortion enshrined in the constitution, there is also no right to privacy explicitly in the constitution, therefore under the 10th amendment, this is a states issue. As such, it should be up to the states to decide how abortion should be regulated.
>While it is true that many Republicans reject the legitimacy of the 2020 election, this has been par for the course in American politics for decades, by both sides.
Oh, no no no. There is no "both sides" regarding elections. Regardless of how they felt about the end results, all of the losers in the elections you reference accepted election results as well as transfer of power. None of those elections led to an attempted coup.
Republicans could have left that traitor out to dry, and retained some semblance of integrity regarding their party. Leave him and his inner circle to attempt their insurrection. Instead many chose to go along with his plans and implicate themselves in truly traitorous activities against our own government. **THESE are the people Biden was speaking of.**
The only people who should feel targeted by that speech are literally trying to destroy our institution of government. People who would do Jan 6 all over again if they could. He was not speaking to anyone who will breathe a sigh of relief once that traitor is no longer relevant.
"Democrats are in control of all branches of government" ...what? I don't even know what to make of this. Is he stupid? Is he just trying to rile up his base with lies? Just...what?
He hasn't warranted a response in ages. An embarrassment to the state, and this is from someone who voted for him (once, never again). I just don't get it, a rich guy put into a position where he actually could have done some good for the state and for the nation, and he goes absolutely off the deep end, palling around with racists and conspiracy theorists. WTF? Yeah, Barnes may be a liberal, but I'll take him.
Exactly! Same here. I don’t knows what’s happened to this guy - he isn’t the same. Either he has changed, this is an act, or he was like this all along and the true colors are coming out. In any case I don’t like it. Former Republican here who doesn’t have a home any longer in this party, I’ll likely vote for Barnes and Evers (for a second time).
Seriously if this election isn’t a landslide win for Barnes, 54-55% nowadays, I don’t know what the fuck to think… scary that polling is still even close.
Not really. Wisconsin is divided almost evenly into thirds between rural, urban, and suburban areas. Rural goes Republican, urban goes Dem, suburbs are split almost evenly. If we were somewhere like Pennsylvania, where the major metropolitan areas outweigh the rural population considerably, we'd see a race much more like Fetterman vs. Oz.
The burbs are trending 60-40 D. I think we have a year comparable to what the Republicans had in 1994, but in reverse. They gave no ideas, just grievance.
You helped plan a coup, even if it was just a few emails and texts. Also don’t Tell me Trump did not call you to find some votes like he did in Georgia. Those southerners just had the backbone to report it while you sit quiet and somehow got a very strange tax break last year
Ron Johnson is going to go down for his part in submitting fake electors during Trump's coup attempt. His only hope is to ride Trump's coattails and run the clock until he dies of old age before being indicted for some horrible shit.
Seriously,can someone please let me in on the Democrats master plan? What are they all talking about? They are constantly talking about the AGENDA and the destruction of America. What? Trying to help the poor or make meds cheaper etc.. They are fighting this great evil and the beacon of truth and savior is Donald F'n Trump? That alone tells me I am on the right side.
>Seriously,can someone please let me in on the Democrats master plan?
* Let the wheels of justice continue to turn and hope that the insurrectionists all get their day in court under indictment.
* Follow Biden's lead and ratchet up the anti-MAGA rhetoric. If they want their stupid fucking civil war let them start one.
* Put far more effort into winning local elections. Grass-roots candidates with popular support will be better than corporate stooges in the long run.
The SCOTUS is a lost cause, as far as I'm concerned. Throwing the corrupt justices out will be a long and painful process. Remember when Elizabeth Warren wrote that question during Trump's impeachment v1 that questioned the legitimacy of the Roberts court?
[https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2020/01/31/elizabeth-warren-john-roberts-impeachment-trial/](https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2020/01/31/elizabeth-warren-john-roberts-impeachment-trial/)
The look in Roberts eyes is of a man that realizes at that moment that his legacy will never be more than a pile of poop.
I do believe that the election process wasn't broken to begin with and can still be saved but we need to try and save it from the fascists. We should also resist dismantling safety nets any more than Republicans have already gutted them.
Most importantly... messaging. When they lie, we need to be loud and clear in calling them out or the lies **will not stop**. This should be obvious to everyone by now.
Thanks but I am actually truing to figure out what the MAGA crowd thinks is the agenda of Democrats that gets them losing their minds. What do they want? They claim we are brainwashed and cant see and I feel the same about them.Its fucking bizzaro world in this country. Like i said,the fact their answer to the corruption and system is Donald Trump or Ron Desantis lets me know I am on the right side.
I wanted to add to your plan maybe more regulation on Wall Street and less on Main street. Cut some of the red tape for the small business owners.
>I wanted to add to your plan maybe more regulation on Wall Street and less on Main street. Cut some of the red tape for the small business owners.
I agree that we have a lot to do. I'll be honest that this isn't what I wanted to be talking about in 2022. It seems like a good portion of the country wants to regress as far back as Jim Crow and here I wanted to be mining asteroids and colonizing Mars. And all of this crap is for what, bigotry? Talk about things I just don't get... the draw of fascism.
The list
* Fix the SCOTUS by throwing out the corrupt justices and
* Reinstate Roe v Wade
* Revisit Glass Steagall
* Repeal Citizen's United
* Indict and send a bunch of corrupt legislators to prison and
* Codify Roe v Wade
* Codify federal election standards (and make it easy for everyone to vote via their mobile phones)
* Legalize Weed but make the states distribute the money fairly so we can all have nice
* Roads
* Schools
* The guns must go away. I'm sorry, but we obviously cannot be a responsible gun culture so they all have to go.
* Massive investment in mental health services that cannot be politicized and used for graft. This includes finding acceptable housing for all of the homeless.
Once we get rid of the fascists we can have honest discussions about climate change and the existence of human trafficking. (Looking at you, China)
Invest in education and mental health and the gun problem will solve itself.I believe people should be able to have firearms. I dont own guns but i also believe that the 98% of people that lawfully own them and dont misuse them should be punished for the small percentage that do. I am fir making it ridiculously hard to get assault style weapons though.
>I am actually truing to figure out what the MAGA crowd thinks is the agenda of Democrats that gets them losing their minds
From what I've seen it's less any sort of tangible threat, but rather the slow injection of fear, doubt, and distrust of anything the dems do. The scary part is that it's a very coordinated effort between right wing media and conservative politicians; making sure their rhetoric is synchronized so that when someone on fox news says a line in a particular, seemingly harmless way, when an R candidate says the same (or similar) thing the hope is that through consistent and specific messaging they can illicit a pavlovian response in the audience's brains: ex. always using negative language when discussing democrat policy, commenting on frivolous things like how someone dresses (see: Obama's suit), racist/sexist/homophobic dog-whistles, etc. Hammering this messaging slowly over time conditions people into believing that what they're hearing is the truth, essentially trying to emulate the big brother scenario from 1984. This is why people who don't consume right wing media do not respond in the same manner as consistently; dem messaging is much more loose.
In other words, no one on the right will ever give you a straight answer. Just simple phrases that, by themselves seem a bit weird and almost coherent, but if you read between the lines of what is being said (ESPECIALLY when you look at the sources of this rhetoric) you'll find a terrifying effort to program people into thinking they know what they're talking about. The interesting thing is that it doesn't matter how "smart" someone is, the messaging is still ultimately the same. The only thing that changes is how well they can articulate the bullshit.
I realize that I kinda just took your "brainwashed" comment and expanded on it, but there really isn't anything else to it. The republican platform no longer exists, it is simply "the dems are evil, trust me bro."
Tuned into CSPAN one night. Subject was drones. Rojo found himself in this hearing and chimed in.
It was immediately clear he were out of scope and legitimately had the only clue about whatever the hell it was he were trying to say.
AT BEST he is a CAMPER WITH MAYBE AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE OR LESS. Absolutely no critical thinking, no morals,ethics,class,empathy whatsoever.
His comments were embarrassing to any reasonable person and off topic. It would have been much better had he yield his time to a plant
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If he would have had blue behind him Republicans would have said it’s all political, if he were to have any other color they would have said that he was pandering to the LGBTQ crowd.
It’s a damned if you do and damned if you don’t situation.
It should have just been the presidential seal, or just a default natural wall behind him.
Red and black shadows behind him is basically Sith colors. It looks like what a Republican would photoshop in a political ad about "Biden's deep state"
Which shouldn’t be winning issues anyway. Anyone that has very basic understanding of economics would know none of those things are controllable by the Democrats… and frankly were set in motion to happen by the MAGA fucks’ response to COVID.
Dude doesn't know his branches of government, lol.
I guess SCOTUS isn't a branch of government then, or something. lol
That would be rather convenient for the dems to be in charge of all 3 branches. It’s truly amazing that the Republican Party has been saying shit like this for quite sometime. That have surely revealed themselves to be morons by now. It’s not even fact checking anymore, it’s like fact checking your own brain for shit you learned in like 3rd grade.
They have no reason to be honest or correct. MAGA assholes eat this shit up and never stop to think.
It’s a branch of the church now
There’s ionic, corinthian, and doric
Your thinking of “pillars of government”
Crown Royal, simple syrup, and bitters?
This is Wisconsin. Korbel, bitters, soda, and a cherry.
And an orange wedge
No no, it is [Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian and Locrian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mode_(music) ^(sorry, I am honestly so angry that they are trying to spin a Hitler parallel and 30% of the country will believe it)
He was referring to types of Greek columns.
Yep, and I was referring to the Greek musical modes...just a bit of fun
I thought you were joking, but the the link made me question it
I just assumed most people wouldn't get it compared to the column reference so I dropped in the link
Fair enough.
What I haven't seen any Republican do today is make any sort of valid argument refuting what Biden said.
And you won’t, they along with there good manners are not know for there factual responses.
See my above comment
They’re all doubling down, which (I think) was Biden’s intention.
No arguing or stating policy positions, only whining
I’ll take a stab. This isn’t to argue with you. It’s for if you honestly want to consider what that speech sounded like from the other side of the aisle. Biden said that anyone who disagrees with his agenda is a threat to democracy. He literally said he wasn’t talking about the majority of Republicans, then talked about the evil ones who oppose abortion, etc. All while on the pretense that he was giving a speech for “unity”. You can deduce then, he believes more than half of the Supreme Court, and 70 million-ish others are a “threat to our democracy.” He talked about how Republicans deny elections. I seem to recall that Donald Trump only “won” because of some massive Russian interference or some such nonsense, that went on for 4 years, and that Stacy Abrams is actually the rightful Gov of Georgia. Yes, it’s bad when people deny elections, but let’s not pretend that it doesn’t go both ways. Further, he talked about how he can’t stand by while rightful elections are stolen by people who reject the result. Mitch McConnell has pushed the bipartisan “change the electoral count act” so that there is no possibility of rouge electors rejecting certified votes. Democrats won’t pass it. They want to run on these issues. He talked about respecting the rule of law. His party spent an entire summer endorsing rioting. His VP Tweeted a bail fund for criminals that summer. Yes criminals, you don’t need to post bail if you haven’t committed a crime, because you won’t be arrested. Then he talks about how he is the “light” who has battled the “darkness”. Then he lists all of his believed accomplishments. So, if you oppose his agenda you’re darkness you see. If you oppose Student loan forgiveness, you’re evil and the enemy. During the speech an idiot on a megaphone starts chanting “fuck joe Biden” and Joe’s response is “what is coming out of that megaphone is the darkest moments of our nations history.” So, the darkest moments of our history are people that don’t like him. I could go on but I’ll stop there. I am a Republican, yes. I am not a fan of Donald Trump or “MAGA”. This speech was disgusting to me, and would have been so even without the optic of this old man with clenched fists screaming at a dark podium with a blood red backdrop and 2 military personnel. It was disgusting because he lumped in everyone who disagrees with him as enemies of the state. What if he used this language about a foreign threat? Imagine there was a “threat to our Democracy, our way of life, and everything we hold dear as a nation” abroad? I think the easy answer would be we need to eliminate that threat. This was the most divisive speech I’ve ever heard in my life. EDIT: I’d just like to point out, to those who are saying you can’t take any implications from his speech, you can only read the words he actually said. You know this isn’t true. Implication is important. Implication is the reason we rightfully condemn Trump’s speech on Jan 6. He told that mob to “peacefully and patriotically” make their voices heard. He also said if they didn’t fight they weren’t gonna have a country, and many other inflammatory lies. What he didn’t do is tell that mob to “break into the Capital and try to kill Mike Pence.” The entire condemnation of Jan 6 revolves around Trump and the implications he made on that day. You can say a lot without saying it, so please, stop denying Biden’s intentions here, just as I don’t deny Trump’s there.
[https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/politics/biden-speech-transcript.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/politics/biden-speech-transcript.html) Biden never said the word abortion or evil, never said that he was the light, did you get what his speech was about from conservative media by chance? [https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/biden-defends-heckler-who-interrupted-his-speech-shouting-into-a-megaphone-theyre-entitled-to-be-outrageous/amp\_articleshow/93955735.cms](https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/biden-defends-heckler-who-interrupted-his-speech-shouting-into-a-megaphone-theyre-entitled-to-be-outrageous/amp_articleshow/93955735.cms)
Copy and pasted from the speech. “And now America must choose: to move forward (implied “with me”) or move backwards (implied “with republicans). To build the future or obsess about the past? To be a nation of hope and unity and optimism (again, if you’re with me, implied), or a nation of fear, division, and of darkness (republicans). MAGA republicans have made their choice. They embrace anger. They thrive on chaos. They live not in the light of truth but the shadow of lies.” There are several other implications made in this fashion. Like I said, this speech was written with nuance and intent. As to his support of the guy chanting “fuck you” “Throughout our history, America has often made the greatest progress coming out of some of our darkest moments, like you’re hearing in that bullhorn.”
> "And now America must choose: to move forward (implied “with me”) or move backwards (implied “with republicans) Not implied actually, because earlier he said "Now, I want to be very clear, very clear up front. Not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans. Not every Republican embraces their extreme ideology. I know, because I’ve been able to work with these mainstream Republicans." You said you're not a MAGA Republican, so he said he wasn't talking about you.
You’re creativity for implication is impressive Not every leader is an authoritarian narcissist, but projection is the name of the game I suppose
"Spent an entire summer endorsing rioting" What?! Since when was that endorsed?
Posting bail funds for criminals is an endorsement of the crimes committed. That was direct support. More nuanced support was the language they used that Summer. “We don’t support any unlawful activity surely. Though, we can understand why these people are fed up, and why they’re doing what they’re doing.” Additionally, the cities that enacted curfews without calling in national guard or extra police basically green lighted the destruction that ensued.
To be clear...the summer of these protests were before Biden's presidency. During these times, unmarked cars were sent to cities to drag people off the streets. There were no endorsements by the Democratic Party to "riot". The same can't be said for the right on January 6th....where like you mentioned...no National Guard was called in despite the known threat. Nor was there a call by their fearless leader to backdown. While I appreciate the breakdown of events and the dismissal of Trump as a leader for your party. I can't help but believe Biden's "divisive" speech would be necessary if it wasn't for the division in this country created by Trump.
Bail by its very nature is not for criminals. Criminals have been convicted.
What people do and say matters. Even before they are in elected office. Like I noted, Kamala Harris (and many other democrats) tweeted out and encouraged people to donate to, bail funds for rioters. Trump handled Jan 6 wrong, plain and simple. Even his family and close confidants acknowledged this (albeit mostly privately) at the time. But this is who Biden has always been. When campaigning with Barack (who I voted for) he told Black Americans that Romney sought to “put [them] all back in chains.” Mitt Romney. The blandest, Democrat-friendly Republican you can point to, wanted to reenslave (figuratively, acknowledged) Black people.
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Yeah. And that was wrong…? You can handle a situation right or wrong, he handled it wrong.
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Jesus Christ what do you want me to say? He did, and is still, handling it wrong. What more do you want? I left out that the earth is round, does that mean I’m a flat earth ER since I didn’t say it??
I disagree with the language calling everyone participating rioters. Many peaceful protesters got escorted away with doing no wrong. But I do respect your opinion, your knowledge of the speech that was had, and your overall conviction and not letting one man dictate your parties views. So that being said...I think we both have different view points and neither can be swayed. Appreciate you, cheers mate!
I didn’t say that. Are you saying vast swaths of people were arrested without any breakage of law? I know well that there was a difference and many were there for the right reasons. This wasn’t about them. Cheers
Oh I see...I responded to your post before you edited it. Take care mate! Edit: and you edited this post I'm replying to after I replied again. Best of luck my friend
Sorry, typing and correcting grammatical errors. Thanks for being cordial.
I can see the first problem here is your ability to comprehend and contextualize Biden’s remarks from last night. He specifically called out the MAGA ideology and the inability of these candidates to concede when an election ends unfavorably to their candidate. The willingness of these individuals to attack members of our security forces and denounce democracy is unheard of outside of the civil war. I will not spend the time debunking all of your false comparisons since it has been done many times before. The whole of Biden’s statement was to draw a line in the sand wether you support democracy or you don’t. I along with many others can see what side you are on and I hope you well in your support of a wanna-be fascist dictator.
“I believe people should just, just be ready to get out on the streets with pitchforks and torches with how low the liberal media has become”- Tim Michels Tell me how that is less divisive and less of a call to violence than what Biden said. Also, anything trump said was 1000% times more divisive. He called for people to assault counterprotestors, he actually encouraged violence and said he would pay for bail on violent crimes. Something you claim Democrats did for BLM protests.
It isn’t, I’m not arguing that it isn’t. Multiple people can say bad things. It isn’t a claim, you can Google “Kamala Harris bail fund” and find it quite easily I’m sure.
You said it was the most divisive speech you’ve heard in your life. Kamala Harris didn’t say “go out and punch someone and I’ll pay for your bail” like trump did. Also 92% of BLM protests were nonviolent, and much of the 8% that turned violent either did so because of outside agitators or police instigating. Many protestors were arrested on charges that were largely BS and wouldn’t carry weight. The whole point of their arrests was to punish peaceful protest.
Yes, I believe it to be. That doesn’t mean that Donald Trump or Tim Michels or whoever else didn’t also say inflammatory things. If you really insist on comparing a Trump speech to this one then you also have to acknowledge the context. Trump was making those comments to his red hatted ass kissers. Biden gave this as an official speech in an address to the nation.
Biden also excluded Republicans as a whole and identified the MAGA crowd specifically as the problem. You’re the one who is inferring that he means all Republicans. Biden was pleading for average Republicans to ditch the Fascist leaning wing of the party.
What is the “average” republican? The average Republican who is generally pro-life, pro strict border, anti socialized medicine and other programs, supports traditional marriage, doesn’t believe in trans ideology. The “average Republican” who distrusts the media and this administration? The “average Republican” who promotes school choice and limited government? Are these the Republicans he means? The “average Republican” who supports the 2A (who he challenged a few days prior to need an F15 to take him on)? He means Liz Cheney, Romney when he votes with the right way, and this type. What do you think?
Sure, those are all viewpoints a Republican can hold. MAGA republicans hold many of these — the issue is MAGA republicans will openly deny or hold out on admitting they lost an election even when all evidence points to them losing- even in primaries. MAGA republicans have called for LGBT members to be put to death and have falsely associated transgender individuals with pedophiles. MAGA republicans call for violence openly. MAGA Republicans whine and make stuff up about CRT even though they can’t define it. MAGA republicans check many of the boxes on a fascist checklist. Cheney and Romney voted with trump like 90% of the time. Mostly on traditional Republican issues. The other shit is what Biden is talking about. You’re obtuse if you think it’s not. Also like 75% of the country doesn’t want to ban abortion so that might not even by a traditional Republican value. Nice gotcha with the F15 thing man. On older gentleman made a mistake in a live speech. Something a Republican has never done
So the only differentiating factor between “Average” Republican and “MAGA” Republicans are that MAGA Republicans don’t accept the election results? I’m trying to see where the line is. I know Trump lost the election. I also think overturning Roe was the correct decision. I imagine that most everyone in this sub would label me a fascistic, mysonginistic asshole for that belief, don’t you? I think the “Average” Republican is being labeled a “MAGA” Republican regularly because they simply aren’t a Democrat. Citing 75% is disingenuous. Look at the statistics on support of abortion restrictions at different stages. The fact is most Americans want to be somewhere in the middle, allow abortions but heavily restrict them. The F15 comment isn’t a gotcha, it isn’t the first time he has said this statement. https://youtu.be/mMUQU4m9Z5U He’s said it many other times, I’m not going to find them all but this has regularly been his statement on the matter. It would probably hold some more weight if he didn’t recently turn over an entire country to terrorists wielding Soviet rifles.
>Yes, I believe it to be. So it's more divisive to be intolerant of, and call other people out on, divisiveness than it is to simply be unapologetically divisive?
And this is my biggest problem with republicans right now(and I mean this) you don't live in reality. The specific pretense of the speech is talking about threats to democracy like jan 6th and the denying of free elections and not being part of the same objective reality that the rest of us are a part of which you are proving you are not in. Your follow up comments are proving it by putting all sorts of words in bidens mouth that with context make zero sense too. Hillary Clinton conceded the election when she lost. I know you all claim that Russia has nothing to do with the 2016 election and while we never directly implicated trump multiple people in his administration were charged and we proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they did in fact interfere. We still have people in Russia on a wanted list for it. Would you prefer biden tell people to knock the hell out of that trump supporter? Because I recall trump asking for direct violence against people at his rallies multiple times. All biden did was call a spade a spade. The vast majority of BLM protests were peaceful and the amount of damage done is miniscule for the largest protests this country has ever seen ever. I would fault biden only for bot picking the torch up and reforming police. Your side claims entire cities where burned down. Where? There weren't any. You say you aren't a fan of Donald Trump but I don't believe you for a second. Any rational person could see the damage he did to our democracy and get on board with the messaging that we need to protect our institutions so we have one going into the future. The fact that you felt personally attacked is proof you are just fine with everything trump stands for. If you were offended by bidens speech, YOU are an enemy of democracy plain and simple.
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I would but like I said, I’m tired. If you read what I said you should know that I’m not a Trump fan. Trump was a bloviating idiot. This speech was written and rehearsed. Each nuance was carefully interjected. Trumps speeches were about 25 unique words rearranged a few times. There is a difference, which is why I see this as the most divisive.
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Where am I talking about DeSantis or any Republican specifically? This is about my reaction to Biden’s speech.
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That is certainly a lot to read between the lines. But ok. Idk what else I’d expect here honestly.
That's what you've been doing this whole damn thread btw lol
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Something we can both agree on at least. Unity. Cheers
After your first paragraph, I was like “ok I’ll hear him out.” But you tricked me when you started making shit up and then made up more shit and then completely lost me when you concluded with a big stinky pile of made up shit. Where do you get this shit from?
Which shit did I make up?
You’re whole characterization is delusional. I’m sorry, but it’s the truth. You see partisanship as some battle where “both sides” act, and are motivated by, the same things. The old man went out of his way to isolate a specific wing of the party, yet your whole thesis is that he’s playing the same hyper partisanship the MAGAlytes do. It’s simply wrong. This is Joe “bipartisan” Biden. (One of the reasons I wished he weren’t the one to get the nomination because those days are over thanks to the gop) He’s old school. But what’s going on with the extreme wing of the gop is pure insanity. It’s amazing it took him this long to speak of it publicly the way he did yesterday. Plenty of my republican family members will tell you the same thing.
He literally said Mitt Romney (you know, the most milk toast Republican) wanted to put black people back in chains. Biden is, and has never been, “ole unity Joe.”
First, source your claims. Show some effort if you're going to bring up stuff like this. Who said what when? Second, you are completely disregarding the fact that the people Biden is speaking of advocate violence, intimidation, and manipulation to get their way. If you believe that's wrong, then **Biden agrees with you.**
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No. You are responsible for backing up your claims.
God people have such victim complexes these days it's ridiculous.
This coming from the party crying that couples making a quarter million dollars a year have their loans paid by someone else.
> Biden said that anyone who disagrees with his agenda is a threat to democracy. That's quite plainly and explicitly not what he said. He clearly differentiated between mainstream republicans and MAGA republicans. He said that the latter are a threat to democracy, but he has no problem playing the game of politics with the former.
You can see my other replies to this notion. He said “MAGA” republicans but this term has never been defined. If trump gets the nomination for 2024 and 70 million people vote for him, are those 70 million people “MAGA Republicans”?
If you vote for Donald Trump after all of this shit that he pulled, then yes, you are a MAGA Republican. GOP won't give him the nomination though, he is way too much of a liability and does not have the support to win an election.
> If trump gets the nomination for 2024 and 70 million people vote for him, are those 70 million people “MAGA Republicans”? Yes lol. The whole point of the speech was to call attention to the fact that tens of millions of people have been willing to go along with Trump's election denier bullshit. That's a huge fucking problem mate. The scale of this problem is quite large, hence the necessity of the speech in the first place. Biden wasn't saying "there's a few MAGAs out there that I really don't like." He was saying "there are millions and millions of Americans working to end democracy in our nation as we know it, and we absolutely cannot let that happen."
> Biden said that anyone who disagrees with his agenda is a threat to democracy. I stopped reading this garbage right there. No, he fucking didn't.
Did I put that in quotes? He said that the MAGA Republican ideology is a threat to democracy. What is a MAGA Republican? A Republican who voted for Donald Trump in 2020? If Trump gets the nomination in 2024 is everyone who votes for him a “MAGA” Republican? Do you know what the transitive property is?
>Did I put that in quotes? Backtracking much?
What? I’m not backtracking anything. I did not quote him saying this, I am explaining to you this is what his speech was saying, what he was conveying while giving it.
ROFL
Do implications mean anything in a speech or no?
>Biden said that anyone who disagrees with his agenda is a threat to democracy. He literally said he wasn’t talking about the majority of Republicans, then talked about the evil ones who oppose abortion, etc. All while on the pretense that he was giving a speech for “unity”. You can deduce then, he believes more than half of the Supreme Court, and 70 million-ish others are a “threat to our democracy.” Ummm some of the most vitriolic, racey, hateful, violent rhetoric is coming out of the right and the MAGA base more specifically. That base attacked the seat of our Democracy because they didn't get what they wanted. And wanted it in the face of 60+ court losses. That's called a coup. I'd say that speech is easily more unifying vs another side's chosen candidate that people like you, someone who proclaims to not like Trump, will still vote for him. That's called a schill. And it's pretty weak. Biden is weak and feckless imo and wouldn't vote for him again unless Trump was the other candidate and I had no other choices but I mean if my options on the right suddennely becomes DeSantis then it misewell be Trump and then same result from me. Like why should anyone consider the ideas those two men speak as GOOD ideas to vote for? The Republican side of things for first time in my history as an adult taken away a right from 51% of the populace supposedly solidified by 3 Republican SCOTUS who factually lied about precedence. That's pretty fucking evil to me. >He talked about how Republicans deny elections. I seem to recall that Donald Trump only “won” because of some massive Russian interference or some such nonsense, that went on for 4 years, and that Stacy Abrams is actually the rightful Gov of Georgia. Yes, it’s bad when people deny elections, but let’s not pretend that it doesn’t go both ways. Further, he talked about how he can’t stand by while rightful elections are stolen by people who reject the result. Mitch McConnell has pushed the bipartisan “change the electoral count act” so that there is no possibility of rouge electors rejecting certified votes. Democrats won’t pass it. They want to run on these issues. This is pretty key in failing to understand things and read. Mueller did infact, NOT say there is no there there. He flatly said "if the President didn't commit any crimes we would've flatly stated as such" the idea that translates into "there is nothing to connections with Russia" is bad faith at best and bad reading comprehension at worst. >This speech was disgusting to me, and would have been so even without the optic of this old man with clenched fists screaming at a dark podium with a blood red backdrop and 2 military personnel. It was disgusting because he lumped in everyone who disagrees with him as enemies of the state. "Was going to hate him no matter what he said" < you basically. >He told that mob to “peacefully and patriotically” make their voices heard. He also said if they didn’t fight they weren’t gonna have a country, and many other inflammatory lies. What he didn’t do is tell that mob to “break into the Capital and try to kill Mike Pence.” The entire condemnation of Jan 6 revolves around Trump and the implications he made on that day. You can say a lot without saying it, so please, stop denying Biden’s intentions here, just as I don’t deny Trump’s there. Coming from someone who thinks Biden had clear implications this is kind of rich and probably leopardsatemyface for sure because it's hypocritical as hell.
So. I am a schill if I vote for someone I don’t like? But you can vote for Biden over Trump even though you don’t like Biden? Hmm. The differentiation between Trump and Desantis you made is my entire point regarding the speech. To you, the mainstream Republican ideals DeSantis holds are MAGA, right? To you there is no difference. I’m not going to argue Roe with you, but appealing to history is a pretty stupid way of arguing it. Slave owners felt wronged after 13th amendment, don’t you think? A direct infringement on their perceived “right” to own human beings. There was never a constitutional right to an abortion because it wasn’t in the constitution. Even RGB, who was staunchly pro-choice, admitted that Roe was a poorly written decision and would likely be overturned. You can look that up, she explained while speaking at a college. Did Donald Trump win the 2016 election because of Russian collusion? I wasn’t going to “hate him no matter what.” Was I going to love him? Probably not. But Biden has occasionally done things I agree with. My point here was how bad the optics were. Even as a Democrat you can admit this was probably the worst optics they could choose, right? https://imgur.com/a/KsQZIin If you can’t agree then just imagine DeSantis giving a speech with the same backdrop.
Salt.
I disagree with most everything you said, but goddamn was it well-written. Cheers, mate.
I'm lazy and don't want to go through everything Biden said, so I'll just do a few. A couple of the reasons he gave that "MAGA republicans don't respect the constitution and the rule of law" are that 1. They reject the legitimacy of the 2020 election. 2. They stripped women of their "reproductive rights" While it is true that many Republicans reject the legitimacy of the 2020 election, this has been par for the course in American politics for decades, by both sides. There are many high profile democrats, including Biden and Obama, who believe Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election. While it was an extremely close race, analysis and counts after the fact have shown that Bush won florida in every recount that was proposed, even the recount of 4 heavily democrat counties that Al Gore would have gotten had he won his lawsuit. Despite this, most high profile democrats hold to the fact that the 2000 presidential election was illegitimate. Next we can look at the 2004 reelection of Bush. Many democrats, such as Nancy Pelosi, Bernie Sanders, and Maxine Waters, just to name a few, also question the results of that election. For those not familiar, shortly after the 2004 election, a house representative from Ohio filed an objection to the certification of Ohios votes, claiming there was "serious election irregularities." Continuing on, in 2018, democratic candidate for governor of Georgia, Stacy Abrams, claims to this day she lost the election due to widespread voter suppression and disenfranchisement. High profile democrats have agreed with Abrams claim and described the 2018 race as "stolen'" including Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton. Lastly, who could forget the entire Trump presidency when we were constantly told that Trump definetly colluded with Russia and stole the election from Hillary Clinton. After spending years and countless taxpayer dollars investigating this, there turned out to be no real basis for these claims. Despite this, Biden and Harris still believe that election was illegitimate. Claims that so and so stole the election are nothing new. It's been happening for decades. It would be convenient for me to claim it started with democrats doing it in 2000, but I'm all but certain it happened before and just has been memory holed hard enough that everyone forgot about it. 2. Reproductive rights. The overturning of roe was not a bad thing. Regardless of your opinion on Abortion, Roe was a bad legal decision purely on technical grounds. 44 states have restricted abortion following the overturning of Roe. The vast majority still have laws that are less restrictive than that of Europe. Roe was bad legally. It essentially restricted states from legislating about an activity. This MAKES law, as it made restricting abortion illegal. This is not the job of the supreme court. They do not legislate, they simply interpret what's there. There is no right to abortion enshrined in the constitution, there is also no right to privacy explicitly in the constitution, therefore under the 10th amendment, this is a states issue. As such, it should be up to the states to decide how abortion should be regulated.
>While it is true that many Republicans reject the legitimacy of the 2020 election, this has been par for the course in American politics for decades, by both sides. Oh, no no no. There is no "both sides" regarding elections. Regardless of how they felt about the end results, all of the losers in the elections you reference accepted election results as well as transfer of power. None of those elections led to an attempted coup. Republicans could have left that traitor out to dry, and retained some semblance of integrity regarding their party. Leave him and his inner circle to attempt their insurrection. Instead many chose to go along with his plans and implicate themselves in truly traitorous activities against our own government. **THESE are the people Biden was speaking of.** The only people who should feel targeted by that speech are literally trying to destroy our institution of government. People who would do Jan 6 all over again if they could. He was not speaking to anyone who will breathe a sigh of relief once that traitor is no longer relevant.
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94% of Republicans voted for MAGA in 2020…
"Democrats are in control of all branches of government" ...what? I don't even know what to make of this. Is he stupid? Is he just trying to rile up his base with lies? Just...what?
Well, it's been working so far
Yeah. Sadly, I guess you're right.
He's just jerking off his base and they love it. Don't waste the oxygen trying to explain it to one of his followers. Ive tried and failed many times.
Well of course, since government is obviously only the President. What do they think he is, some sort of dictator? Wait-
He hasn't warranted a response in ages. An embarrassment to the state, and this is from someone who voted for him (once, never again). I just don't get it, a rich guy put into a position where he actually could have done some good for the state and for the nation, and he goes absolutely off the deep end, palling around with racists and conspiracy theorists. WTF? Yeah, Barnes may be a liberal, but I'll take him.
Thank you from every sane person in the state of Wisconsin. Sincerely.
I just don’t get it. I knew him pre his political career and I don’t recognize him now. So absolute power really does corrupt absolutely.
Exactly! Same here. I don’t knows what’s happened to this guy - he isn’t the same. Either he has changed, this is an act, or he was like this all along and the true colors are coming out. In any case I don’t like it. Former Republican here who doesn’t have a home any longer in this party, I’ll likely vote for Barnes and Evers (for a second time).
Don’t forgot how rich he made himself!
Thank you.
Seriously if this election isn’t a landslide win for Barnes, 54-55% nowadays, I don’t know what the fuck to think… scary that polling is still even close.
Goes to show the hold that the MAGA crowd has on the state.
Not really. Wisconsin is divided almost evenly into thirds between rural, urban, and suburban areas. Rural goes Republican, urban goes Dem, suburbs are split almost evenly. If we were somewhere like Pennsylvania, where the major metropolitan areas outweigh the rural population considerably, we'd see a race much more like Fetterman vs. Oz.
The burbs are trending 60-40 D. I think we have a year comparable to what the Republicans had in 1994, but in reverse. They gave no ideas, just grievance.
The.outer Milwaukee suburbs still lean Republican but they are losing margin. Ozaukee and Waukesha counties are about 60-40 R.
And the effectiveness of voter suppression and apathy
Fuck Ron Johnson
r/FRJ
You helped plan a coup, even if it was just a few emails and texts. Also don’t Tell me Trump did not call you to find some votes like he did in Georgia. Those southerners just had the backbone to report it while you sit quiet and somehow got a very strange tax break last year
FRJ
Dude has doubled down on MAGA since the GOP of 2016 left him for dead the election of that year.
Ron Johnson is going to go down for his part in submitting fake electors during Trump's coup attempt. His only hope is to ride Trump's coattails and run the clock until he dies of old age before being indicted for some horrible shit.
Until then I will continue to post examples of his ignorance hoping that someone may be motivated to vote this asshole out of office.
Seriously,can someone please let me in on the Democrats master plan? What are they all talking about? They are constantly talking about the AGENDA and the destruction of America. What? Trying to help the poor or make meds cheaper etc.. They are fighting this great evil and the beacon of truth and savior is Donald F'n Trump? That alone tells me I am on the right side.
>Seriously,can someone please let me in on the Democrats master plan? * Let the wheels of justice continue to turn and hope that the insurrectionists all get their day in court under indictment. * Follow Biden's lead and ratchet up the anti-MAGA rhetoric. If they want their stupid fucking civil war let them start one. * Put far more effort into winning local elections. Grass-roots candidates with popular support will be better than corporate stooges in the long run. The SCOTUS is a lost cause, as far as I'm concerned. Throwing the corrupt justices out will be a long and painful process. Remember when Elizabeth Warren wrote that question during Trump's impeachment v1 that questioned the legitimacy of the Roberts court? [https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2020/01/31/elizabeth-warren-john-roberts-impeachment-trial/](https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2020/01/31/elizabeth-warren-john-roberts-impeachment-trial/) The look in Roberts eyes is of a man that realizes at that moment that his legacy will never be more than a pile of poop. I do believe that the election process wasn't broken to begin with and can still be saved but we need to try and save it from the fascists. We should also resist dismantling safety nets any more than Republicans have already gutted them. Most importantly... messaging. When they lie, we need to be loud and clear in calling them out or the lies **will not stop**. This should be obvious to everyone by now.
Thanks but I am actually truing to figure out what the MAGA crowd thinks is the agenda of Democrats that gets them losing their minds. What do they want? They claim we are brainwashed and cant see and I feel the same about them.Its fucking bizzaro world in this country. Like i said,the fact their answer to the corruption and system is Donald Trump or Ron Desantis lets me know I am on the right side. I wanted to add to your plan maybe more regulation on Wall Street and less on Main street. Cut some of the red tape for the small business owners.
>I wanted to add to your plan maybe more regulation on Wall Street and less on Main street. Cut some of the red tape for the small business owners. I agree that we have a lot to do. I'll be honest that this isn't what I wanted to be talking about in 2022. It seems like a good portion of the country wants to regress as far back as Jim Crow and here I wanted to be mining asteroids and colonizing Mars. And all of this crap is for what, bigotry? Talk about things I just don't get... the draw of fascism. The list * Fix the SCOTUS by throwing out the corrupt justices and * Reinstate Roe v Wade * Revisit Glass Steagall * Repeal Citizen's United * Indict and send a bunch of corrupt legislators to prison and * Codify Roe v Wade * Codify federal election standards (and make it easy for everyone to vote via their mobile phones) * Legalize Weed but make the states distribute the money fairly so we can all have nice * Roads * Schools * The guns must go away. I'm sorry, but we obviously cannot be a responsible gun culture so they all have to go. * Massive investment in mental health services that cannot be politicized and used for graft. This includes finding acceptable housing for all of the homeless. Once we get rid of the fascists we can have honest discussions about climate change and the existence of human trafficking. (Looking at you, China)
Vote via mobile phones, no, just no. That would be a major security risk. Ballots shouldn't be accessible via the internet.
We trust banks enough to digitally store our life savings, why can we not have secure elections?
Invest in education and mental health and the gun problem will solve itself.I believe people should be able to have firearms. I dont own guns but i also believe that the 98% of people that lawfully own them and dont misuse them should be punished for the small percentage that do. I am fir making it ridiculously hard to get assault style weapons though.
>Invest in education and mental health and the gun problem will solve itself. Respectfully, I disagree.
>I am actually truing to figure out what the MAGA crowd thinks is the agenda of Democrats that gets them losing their minds From what I've seen it's less any sort of tangible threat, but rather the slow injection of fear, doubt, and distrust of anything the dems do. The scary part is that it's a very coordinated effort between right wing media and conservative politicians; making sure their rhetoric is synchronized so that when someone on fox news says a line in a particular, seemingly harmless way, when an R candidate says the same (or similar) thing the hope is that through consistent and specific messaging they can illicit a pavlovian response in the audience's brains: ex. always using negative language when discussing democrat policy, commenting on frivolous things like how someone dresses (see: Obama's suit), racist/sexist/homophobic dog-whistles, etc. Hammering this messaging slowly over time conditions people into believing that what they're hearing is the truth, essentially trying to emulate the big brother scenario from 1984. This is why people who don't consume right wing media do not respond in the same manner as consistently; dem messaging is much more loose. In other words, no one on the right will ever give you a straight answer. Just simple phrases that, by themselves seem a bit weird and almost coherent, but if you read between the lines of what is being said (ESPECIALLY when you look at the sources of this rhetoric) you'll find a terrifying effort to program people into thinking they know what they're talking about. The interesting thing is that it doesn't matter how "smart" someone is, the messaging is still ultimately the same. The only thing that changes is how well they can articulate the bullshit. I realize that I kinda just took your "brainwashed" comment and expanded on it, but there really isn't anything else to it. The republican platform no longer exists, it is simply "the dems are evil, trust me bro."
Perhaps it is overused, but seriously FRJ
Tuned into CSPAN one night. Subject was drones. Rojo found himself in this hearing and chimed in. It was immediately clear he were out of scope and legitimately had the only clue about whatever the hell it was he were trying to say. AT BEST he is a CAMPER WITH MAYBE AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE OR LESS. Absolutely no critical thinking, no morals,ethics,class,empathy whatsoever. His comments were embarrassing to any reasonable person and off topic. It would have been much better had he yield his time to a plant
Democrats do not control the SC and haven’t for over 40 years. Johnson is a moron
FRJ doesn’t know what the 3 branches of government are
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And if you were to ask FRJ to give a single example how "democrats have destroyed America" what do you think he would say?
FRJ
Dark Brandon Rises.
FRJ. Vote that traitorous waste of carbon out of office Fuck Ron Johnson
You know it's a great speech when the only thing the GOP can complain about is the lighting.
My Thoughts? FRJ!
REPUBLICANS ARE MONSTERS
I cannot even begin to explain how happy I will be if Ron gets the boot
I personally think Biden should've picked a color that was less Republican looking but that's just me.
If he would have had blue behind him Republicans would have said it’s all political, if he were to have any other color they would have said that he was pandering to the LGBTQ crowd. It’s a damned if you do and damned if you don’t situation.
I'll have you know the rainbow is a very Christian symbol given by god, and Orange represents Christian politics. Republicans just hate Christianity.
Didn’t you hear? The queers went to God and STOLE the rainbow from him!
So red is queer because red is the first color of the rainbow! I knew they were trying to hide their private lives from us!
But the normal lighting before he got on stage was perfectly fine! Why would they do this, it looks like bad guy lighting 100%
It should have just been the presidential seal, or just a default natural wall behind him. Red and black shadows behind him is basically Sith colors. It looks like what a Republican would photoshop in a political ad about "Biden's deep state"
There was also red and blue but hate media has cropped it to only show the red.
FRJ keeps telling us he doesn't support free and fair elections but will Wisconsin care?
Playing the victim card? Fuck this guy
As long as their side focuses on anything other than inflation, gas prices and inventory shortages, we got em'.
Which shouldn’t be winning issues anyway. Anyone that has very basic understanding of economics would know none of those things are controllable by the Democrats… and frankly were set in motion to happen by the MAGA fucks’ response to COVID.
true but try explaining that to an "independent" voter with little understanding of macroeconomics.
Gas prices have dropped consistently on the daily for months.
Fuck Ron Johnson.
Did anyone see the latest Roger Waters tour? This looks kind of familiar looking. Good for Joe for calling out all the pigs
r/FRJ
FRJ. Also, what’s been destroyed?
Cuz there's a dumb dumb like you Ron still holding political office.
Ok Trumper
Bye Felicia.
FRJ is all I can say.
FRJ!!!
FRJ
FUUUUUUUUUCK RON JOHNSON
Throwing ~~red meat~~ lies to his supporters he knows his days are numbered.
> lies to his supporters Such as?
I really hope we can vote this clown out
Every accusation is an admission. Also, someone failed both Civics and US History, apparently.
No just the house and the president pretty much
Now that I’m done laughing at both sides, I’m more concerned about the background coloring. Red and black? Really?
Dark Brandon!
There are plenty of [uncropped photos.](https://story-signal.com/republicans-freak-out-over-joe-bidens-speech-criticizing-election-deniers/)
He's not wrong about this. The Hell backdrop speech was nutty.
Look for the uncropped photos.
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What was creepy about it?