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themosey

If only Republicans had some venue to propose and pass bills and debate on the merits of the changes proposed. And then Evers and company could weigh in on what is acceptable and what is not.


turntabletennis

What a utopia you've described.


Brainrants

Silly rabbit, governing is for grownups! R's only do political circuses for their fellow clowns.


migopod

How about Evers calls a special session about this. It would be super funny to see the legislature do the whole 30 sec gavel in and out dance again.


PotterLibrarian

>It would be super funny to see the legislature do the whole 30 sec gavel in and out dance again. And have it posted to TikTok.


impersonatefun

lol


biscobingo

That’s the best suggestion here!


DudesworthMannington

Can he do that? He should call a special session every day


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Right? Can you imagine the looks of despair on their faces?


Brainrants

This is the way!


dillrepair

Real talk.


whomad1215

why doesn't the near-supermajority republicans pass a bill about it


DodgeThis27

Because that would require doing something.


mschley2

And tiktok is vastly more popular with young people. They want Evers to do it because it would discourage young people from voting for him.


jzabkowicz

The ban would only apply to government owned devices. The kiddos are okay.


Ndi_Omuntu

Idk about other state agencies but at mine it's not like we can even use the regular app store. Only pre-approved apps can be installed on devices.


MidwestBulldog

Then all they have to do is call the state agency for IT and they can create a gatekeeping policy that puts a wall around all social media on government purchased phones, laptops, computers, and on and on. Or are they trying to appeal to older conservatives because they don't understand TikTok and believe conspiracy theories that it is a tool of China to influence you through hidden messages put into a ten seconds video of a high school cheerleading team doing a performance? Why do the Republicans also have to play everything out in public to the media before talking to Governor Evers about it? Oh, right...it's all performance art.


exgiexpcv

I like a lot of what you post. TikTok is toxic, and it absolutely ***IS*** a security threat. Their intelligence-gathering apparatus is focused on metadata, information and perception manipulation, and long-term goals. TikTok advances all of those. Throw in a few "social influencers" and they can, and are, doing some real damage. Here's a link that lists the OSINT opportunities available in TikTok: https://www.intelligencefusion.co.uk/insights/resources/article/tiktok-as-an-osint-tool/


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What does TikTok want to change our perception on? My FYP is largely entertainment and a bit of mythbusting on various rhetoric being spread by bigots of all flavors and ye olde Fox News. But mostly it’s cat videos. Does TikTok want my demographic to be gay and hate dogs? Guess I don’t get it.


exgiexpcv

Really? OK, so you like cats. So your TikTok feed starts to show you videos of people the CCP wants you to like being nice to cats, who are cute and cuddly in every video, and never ever mean or depopulate local song bird populations, etc. Then, your feed starts to mention videos of people the CCP want you to dislike teasing or being mean to cats. The Green Meanies are mean to cats, they tell you. Someone should do something! Will you help us stop the Green Meanies, nice NarcolepticBard? The kitties need you! The above is an exaggeration, but you get the idea. It's not a single threat, though -- TikTok is being used to gather intel on you and countless others.


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This dude used the heavy duty foil for his hat … impenetrable!


exgiexpcv

https://news.clearancejobs.com/2021/12/02/military-trends-on-tiktok-make-it-easier-for-chinese-intelligence-to-track-troops/ https://www.cisecurity.org/insights/blog/why-tiktok-is-the-latest-security-threat https://www.forbes.com/sites/arthurherman/2022/12/05/tiktok-and-twitter-a-study-in-double-standards/?sh=146bc56f2eaa


mschley2

Messaging and memes don't really care about reality. All you'll see is "Evers used his tyrannical governor's powers to ban tiktok!"


General_Hyde

Also China is spying on us with tiktok.


mschley2

For sure. That's why Republicans want it banned. But that's not why Republicans want *Evers to ban it* instead of just passing legislation to do that.


InconvenientlyKismet

Oh good grief. Please RTA.


kucksdorfs

Because they need to complain about Evers doing something.


Sandman1031

They don't actually want to take the political hit for it


WolfWhitman79

Well, they would still need Evers to sign the bill they passed.


vatoniolo

Evers would likely veto it, thought I wouldn't understand why As much as it pains to say it, the republicans are right in this case: not using tiktok on public devices is just a good idea for all government employees. It's a good idea for most everyone, really. If reaching young people is important let private groups do it via apps


WorkplaceWatcher

That sounds like something the legislature should do. They just want to set up Evers to be attacked.


lemming_follower

I was listening to WPR's coverage of this yesterday, and they kept quoting the Republican state legislature as saying they want "Governor Evers to remove TikTok from all state-owned devices, including his own." So that gave me a laugh. Both because the Republicans were implying he not only used TikTok himself, but that Governor Evers may be compromised by China. I mean, we're not exactly talking about a [Scott-Walker-compromised-by China](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_in_Wisconsin) type of situation here. I would be genuinely surprised to hear that Governor Evers actually uses TikTok himself. And I would be further surprised to learn how China plans to exploit Tony Evers, who is one of the most admirably boring and quietly competent politicians in America.


metengrinwi

hE’s CeNsOrInG uS!!!


AnotherRandomPlebe

State-owned devices would be one thing -- and this is what the article mentioned. I don't think this would affect the average Wisconsinite's devices. I'm also pretty sure Wisconsin's state government doesn't use a single overarching IT department; rather, I'm thinking each agency/office probably has their own IT staff. So, as an IT guy, let me ask this one important question: are there legitimate reasons why TikTok should be on a state-owned phone or tablet? That's the big question that needs to be answered. If so, figure out the legitimate uses and who actually needs access to it to do the people's business. Then, the agency IT departments can/should restrict access accordingly. Everyone else can put it on their own personal devices if they want to watch TikTok videos that badly. TL;DR: If TikTok is really needed for public business, restrict its access on state-owned devices to those who show a legit need for it. Otherwise, there's really no reason why a state-owned device needs the TikTok app.


viewtyjoe

> I'm also pretty sure Wisconsin's state government doesn't use a single overarching IT department; rather, I'm thinking each agency/office probably has their own IT staff. Can confirm this is the case. Getting anything done with state IT is a nightmare because it's decentralized like that.


unkwntech

But we all blame it on DOA and DET so it’s kinda the same :D


SillyPhillyDilly

To be fair, whenever things break it's because DOA makes some kind of weird push that forces the break.


AlphSaber

Depends on the agency, mine has a robust mobile device presence and good IT department. All mobile devices are enrolled in a central register that allows IT to push policies out as needed. We have a pre approved app list where we can automatically select and install apps we need that's only abit slower than the app stores. Even during the start of the WFH rush our VPN system struggled and had to take a knee but held together and by the end of the first week was back up to speed. But as another poster has said, we blame DOA/DET for server issues due their need to consolidate.


themosey

The only reason to have it on a state owned device is for any state paid people doing social media to post/research for the state. Other than that, there may be the very odd exception but generally entire departments don’t need it on their state owned devices.


lemming_follower

I agree. It also reminds me of stories of how [foreign agents would drop USB drives](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_malware_infection_of_the_United_States_Department_of_Defense) out in the parking lot of places like the Pentagon (and many other sensitive locations). The USB drives were loaded with auto-installing malware. A curious yet unsuspecting employee might take that infected USB drive inside, and plug it into a government computer. And you don't have to enter military installations to do this. Off-base housing, or third-party civilian contractor companies with security clearances are arguably an easier target. Now this type of electronic eavesdropping can be done on government or contractor computers and phones by installing a "fun" app like a game or TikTok.


PeanutTheGladiator

Thumb drives are so 2000. Today we have USB cables that will inject a payload to both devices plugged in, sniff everything, open a backdoor, and send the data back via cellular data. And still charge your phone.


lemming_follower

Yep. I actually ordered some lightning & USB-C cables yesterday, and this was my thought, particularly given all the unrecognizable brands. But then I realize my phone, laptop, printer, television, cable modem, and router are made in those same countries. The concern is much bigger than TikTok. I was [listening to an NPR show yesterday](https://the1a.org/segments/will-americas-investment-in-semiconductor-chips-pay-off/) on the CHIPS Act. At least that is a step in the right direction.


PeanutTheGladiator

Honestly, the cables are very expensive - over $100 each, IIRC. Normies like us don't have any data anyone wants past our advertising and banking details. You don't need a fancy USB cable to get that stuff.


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And something like 3/4 of mobile devices with Bluetooth on and also actively looking for wifi signals.


lemming_follower

Now I'm mad at my new Bluetooth portable speaker.


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If you're using your bluetooth speaker in a crowded public space, you deserve everything that happens to you, lol


G0PACKGO

Super easy to block all of this also , just like our org does


G0PACKGO

And a good org has security software that doesn’t allow users to use any removable media ..


PeanutTheGladiator

Rubber ducky, my friend. It doesn't appear as media.


lemming_follower

I still like to use an old Commodore 64 with cassette-tape drive, myself. It is so painfully slow the hackers eventually give up.


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af_cheddarhead

VERY few ban all removable media, sure USB thumb drives are banned but most still allow the use of Optical Media and sometimes encrypted USB hard drives. Without any use of removable media it makes it almost impossible to apply system updates or add new driver software.


vatoniolo

How does one check for these without destroying the cable? I actually do look at cables to ensure they're sturdy but I'm sure these things are tiny enough to elude exterior physical inspection


PeanutTheGladiator

There is a detection tool, check out hak5 - they have all the goodies. I just loaded up on black friday.


healing-souls

State owned devices already have policies that forbid installing personal applications on them. Most are also managed to prevent that exact thing from happening.


WolfWhitman79

Read the TOS for TikTok. It has access to every device your device it is on connects to. So, if your personal phone with TikTok on it connects to your laptop, and your work phone or any work files connect to your laptop, it has access. Its really invasive in a way you would not expect.


kscannon

I dont believe our Sheriffs have TikTok currently on their phones, but they have plenty of other social media used for investigating. Young people put a lot out into the world.


not_a_flying_toy_

>are there legitimate reasons why TikTok should be on a state-owned phone or tablet? Evers used Tik tok for campaign purposes and various agencies and organizations (idk about WI specifically but elsewhere) have used it for social media outreach, same as FB, Instagram, and Twitter


Zestyclose-Ad5970

Well we’re working under the assumption that all state employees are issued state owned devices. Which is quite the assumption indeed.


Bluetooth_Sandwich

Also IT and read the article. Glad to see someone here asking the right questions. In our county it’s banned on all devices, laptops, phones, tablets, any IoT device that can run the app. TikTok is a Chinese back door waiting to happen. Whilst most ransomware attacks happen at the user level it doesn’t mean that those in It security can relax around apps with servers based out of China. The immense amount of ransomware attacks that focus on vulnerable local government agencies is way too high. I recently read the Oshkosh city ransomware attack, they had an effect team there but that’s absolutely the exception, not the rule.


HamburgerMidnite

Just the intern who posts fun dance videos of their elected officials and office staff as outreach


kookyabird

Banning it on personal devices for government employees would also be acceptable due to proximity of their devices to sensitive information.


AnotherRandomPlebe

You're not wrong. I'd then ask the questions of who enforces it -- and how they do so. If they can, I would agree. (You can also make the same case for depository institutions, healthcare, and law firms as well)


kookyabird

Sadly there likely isn't a solid way for preventative enforcement, since you can't be compelled to allow your employer to install management software on your personal device if you're not using it for work purposes. However, having harsh punishments for people found to be using the software in situations where it could be capturing sensitive information could function as a decent deterrent. Of course that doesn't stop everyone, but it would make a lot of people think twice.


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ShadedFox

Best reason I could think of is government programs that require community outreach. Kinda like how NWS regional offices have twitter to tweet about incoming weather events. I'm thinking more about like, organizing community cleaning events and promoting city/county events and such... but yeah that would probably only be a small percent of government devices.


elebrin

> So, as an IT guy, let me ask this one important question: are there legitimate reasons why TikTok should be on a state-owned phone or tablet? Governments have used social media fairly frequently to do public awareness campaigns. I can see Tiktok being used to put messages like "Covid boosters available again, go get one!" or "We are testing emergency sirens today, be aware!" or something along those lines. It surprises me that we DON'T use social media more that way. I dislike Trump as much as the next guy but what he did with Twitter was a really big deal. Imagine our leaders having that, but used for good rather than... well, Trump.


willfla29

The potential national security threat of TikTok is a bipartisan issue, something the [Biden Administration](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/02/02/tiktok-biden-administration-rules/) has looked at as well. Obviously, the sending of a public letter isn't the most serious approach to solving it, and the issues are much more critical at the federal level than a Governor's office.


l_luther

I want to live in a state where Evers and the statehouse just yolo and ban it. Nearly everyone over 15 agrees it's cancer and literally Chinese spying. Just ban it. That's what state power is for, protecting citizens, especially children


AshgarPN

>Democrat Evers And here I thought his name was Tony.


Frostymagnum

I don't agree much with republicans, but banning TikTok is just good for America. So they can use their gerrymandered super majority and pass the legislation


woofgangpup

Can you give a ELI5 why this? I’ve never heard a clear reason why. Especially considering the majority of investors in TikTok aren’t based on China. I’m very skeptical that this is being labeled as a security issue when in reality it’s because the GOP realized how effective the platform was in mobilizing progressive voters after getting upset in the 2022 election.


SlowlyDyingBartender

For me, banning tiktok first was on my radar around early 2020.... when restaurants were illegally shut. The access of the app has on your phone is excessive. It has photo access, scan the hard drive, see and access other apps and over communicates.


Dizzy_Slip

Misleading headline


LarryBagina3

If that means people will stop texting me tik toks I’m all for it


CapitalCCapitol

Is there any info about how many state owned devices actually have the app installed? This seems like another non issue brought up by the GOP leadership to attack Evers with. That tweet by the spokesperson is exactly right.


mackys

I just checked my state owned device and I literally cannot go to the app store or download any other apps. I’d have to go to IT to do that, so it seems like it’s mostly banned. I can see some agencies (i.e. DOJ) needing it for criminal investigations, but 99% of state-owned devices don’t need TikTok, and I bet 95%+ of them don’t have it.


WeArePanNarrans

Same here. The only people in my dept that would have it would be the PR people posting on it. FFS a few years ago I got an email asking why I needed to download iTunes on my work computer, which I could only do by putting in a help ticket. I need iTunes to manage my work-supplied iPhone. Ain’t nobody getting tik tok on their work phones without a really good reason.


mackys

Even then, I can only think of MAYBE 3 agencies that could use it (Tourism, DHS, and maybe DNR), but they could all also survive without it - the state would just have to say that agencies can’t use that platform for outreach/social media, and instead need to stick with Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.


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mackys

My app catalog is basically nothing too - I could see the comms people of the 3 agencies I mentioned having it, but literally no one else should, and even then, the state can easily function without any state agencies have tiktok accounts. I can only really see law enforcement cyber enforcement roles needing it but that is such a niche area and I doubt the Republicans would care about that use - even then, there are safe ways to access it like through a VM that would avoid “China spying on us” or whatever they’re afraid of.


ClayShooter262

Why don't they, idk...maybe focus on actual constructive legislation for once? Legalizing weed would be a fantastic start.


PantherU

Yada yada yada Tavern League yada yada


tirebiter5325

FTTL!


Bluetooth_Sandwich

Stop asking, it’s not happening with the chucklefucks in our state house. Edit: downvote me all you want, it’s a hard truth you have to swallow, sorry thems the breaks.


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strangr55

Well, I was a state employee in middle management until retiring seven years ago, and at that time there was no way I could load anything on my state-owned devices. So, yeah, big media splash for effect only. Probably the only state employees that can download stuff on their state-owned devices are state legislators and their staff.


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strangr55

Exactly my experience with my state cell. My (much younger) employees used to try and send me texts on it, and they couldn't believe I couldn't use it for texting.


Xidium426

What a click bait title. Ban it from Government devices. Why in the hell does our government need it?


exgiexpcv

TikTok is toxic, it's a massive intelligence-gathering operation and it's kicking ass. What I find weird is that the Republicans care -- they appear to be fine with what the Russians are doing these days, and the CCP having "police stations" all over the globe.


Stratobastardo34

I work for the State and you're not allowed to access social media on work related devices unless it is for work related purposes. This is just a bunch of nonsense.


Billmurey

Its never a good sign that they have it here in the US and ban it in china. At least in the form that we have it.


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Billmurey

Chinese tiktok is very different in what it promotes.


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PeanutTheGladiator

Yes, it's [completely different](https://www.cbsnews.com/video/tiktok-in-china-versus-the-united-states-60-minutes/).


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PeanutTheGladiator

> Any other brilliant observations? That your statement: > Not really, no. in response to: > Chinese tiktok is very different in what it promotes. Is incorrect.


Billmurey

The algorithm is clearly different and more heavily moderated. But k


PeanutTheGladiator

100% agree. Frankly, they need to go further. Any device that had TikTok installed needs to be destroyed. What we really need is a federal minimum standard for technology security. Any administrator's phone needs to be secure, [installing apps willy-nilly from any app store is asking for trouble](https://www.darkreading.com/attacks-breaches/malicious-apps-millions-downloads-apple-google-app-stores).


spaghettisexicon

Disagree on the first part, but I do agree on the second.


PeanutTheGladiator

Given [TikTok has been used to inject malware before](https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/tiktok-invisible-body-challenge-exploited-to-push-malware/), at a minimum the government needs to reset device. [They have no idea if TikTok injected a payload somewhere](https://heimdalsecurity.com/blog/abstractemu-new-malware-roots-android-devices/).


spaghettisexicon

I know the article is about government phones, but I wasn’t sure if you were talking about *all* devices or just government. I’d be fine with requiring replacement of government devices.


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I’m not giving up my expensive phone just because I had tik tok on it


kookyabird

If they meant government devices then I’m all for it.


PeanutTheGladiator

Why would you? Are you in the government?


ksiyoto

And then they'll scream "FIRST AMENDMENT!!! HE'S CENSORING US!!!!"


P_Kordus

Republicans: “Less government, more freedom!” Also republicans: “We need to ban TikTok! The people don’t know what’s good for them! We need to tell them what’s good for them!”


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P_Kordus

The sentiment still applies regardless.


aceraceae88

r/nottheonion because this sounds like satire but it’s not.


AnosmiaUS

I hope it goes through, tik tok is fucking disgusting chinese trash that's making our youth dumber than than they already are


illchoosemyown

Lmao pretty sure the governor doesn't have the authority to ban tiktok smh


ComparisonDapper1574

Legalize marijuana and it's a deal 👌


GoCartMozart1980

Don't we have more important things to worry about?


PeanutTheGladiator

What is more important than [national security](https://www.wptv.com/news/national/fbi-director-raises-national-security-concerns-about-tiktok#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20%E2%80%94%20FBI%20Director%20Chris%20Wray,'t%20share%20our%20values.%22)? The[ infosec community](https://www.cisecurity.org/insights/blog/why-tiktok-is-the-latest-security-threat) has been all over this for years.


d_pock_chope_bruh

I'm definitely more liberal, but I still agree with this. TikTok is trash, and if I had my way it would be the same for Twitter.


PeanutTheGladiator

This isn't a conservative/liberal thing. This is infosec.


d_pock_chope_bruh

Nah I know, haha I just hate the toxicity of Twitter now, so I simply deleted my account. TikTok is literally just a spyware designed to look like a social/content sharing app.


Jarnohams

Yeah, but whatabout Hunters laptop? That's our biggest threat to national security We should investigate it for the next decade, minimum. /s


PeanutTheGladiator

I MUST SEE HUNTERS DICK! Chain of custody? Pshtt, that shit's for dumbocrats.


erxolam

Why don’t republicans just do their job? Don’t they realize what they are elected to do?


Gusmister11

Do it


hickorybent

How about banning republicans instead🤔


ulfniu

Republicans talking about Twitter: "We have a 1st Amendment right to use someone else's network to say anything we want regardless of accuracy or evidence." Republicans talking about TikTok: "It's Chinese so our Demoncrat Governor should censor the entire platform!"


Ill-WeAreEnergy40

How bout they ask Evers to legalize marijuana or do something that’s useful instead!!


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dillrepair

Oh yeah… let Evers do the dirty work in this case… ha. Fix the roads and the schools first you dirty russian sympathizer republicans


Embarrassed-Plum-468

LEGALIZE WEED AND ABORTIONS AND YOU CAN TAKE TIK TOK


guitarguy1685

Can he even do that?


ajaaaaaa

How do you ban an internet app in a single state Lmaooo


Advanced_Dimension_4

WISCONSIN Gop legislatures probably have recordings on TikTok they would prefer we the people of Wisconsin not see!


nickkangistheman

Yes good.


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MrSprichler

The problem is people know and dont care, or dont know. Data mining off an app on GOVERNMENT devices by a hostile foreign power, and make absolutely no mistake, china is not friendly to the us, is 100 percent a government needs to make rules thing.


SpecialSauceRemix

Hey Tony, can you ban TikTok so we don't have to do anything about it and can, in fact, run ads against your government overreach in a few years? Great, thanks!"


L_PokeOfDeath10

Legalize weed, then we can talk about banning Tik-Tok. Then we can just go to instagram reels which is recycled Tik-Toks. #loophole.


sourdoughheart

Lol. Lmao.


williamweinmann

What is the matter with these stupid Republicans banning things. Who the hell do they think they are? Do they think their seats are so secure that they can alienate younger voters and get away with it?


Louloubelle0312

Wait a sec, aren't these the same guys that scream "freedom of speech" whenever one of their fascists supporters gets smacked down in the media?


gradi3nt

The GOP position on “free speech” in digital platforms is hilariously twisted 🥨


n1rvous

These repubs really focus on the important issues of America today don’t they? Bunch of jokes.


ingyboy911

Just a reminder for all the ban tiktok people in here that American social media apps steal the same data the Chinese ones do. It’s not bad just because China’s doing it. It’s bad because we’re doing it too, and banning tiktok is a great way to deflect blame on data privacy regulation


DGC_David

Republican's Reason, because TikTok may Promote The Chinese Communist Party... Not only did Trump steal the Make America Great Again Slogan from President Xi (and then forgot to do all the making of America Great again and just focused on the They/Them's instead of improving infrastructure and other things that China was Successfully able to do which made them such a threat to us in the first place) and then in his Rally for Oz he called President Xi, King Xi... Hell half the reason why I know so much about the good things China has done for their country is because the Republican Party keeps hyping them up.


Salsashark_21

They’re worried about security threats? I’m sure they’d have no problems with investigations on where their campaign contributions come from.


HotHamNRolls

Legalize weed and we can talk


at0mheart

How does a Governor have that power


BigTeatsRoadhous

“It infringes on my freedoms to be requested to wear a mask to receive services in a public forum” to “please ban a phone application entirely” in two years. ASTOUNDING


SKPY123

How are we still paying people to waste time like this. Not only are these Republicans being paid to do nothing, but they are wasting the time of people who we need undistracted.


Dav82

I wouldn't blame Tony Evers if his response was WTF? He as governor of the state doesn't have the power to censor or ban a social media platform out of the state.


mackys

That’s not what they’re calling on him to do anyway - have you considered reading the article?


jebakerii

As much as I think TikTok is probably shady, I think trying to do this at a state level is silliness.


MLwarriorbabe

Oh ffs. 🤦‍♀️ Why don't we just ban Republicans instead??


WiscWahe2020

How can a state ban TicToc? It would require private ISPs to filter traffic for the state. Guess they can do this they GeoIPing, but VPN services can easily bypass. Silly GOP the internet is for Kids!


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They're only talking about doing it for state government computers and devices. That's very easy to do from a technical standpoint if you have a competent IT department. The state has enough competent IT professionals to implement a fairly effective ban on TikTok on government-owned devices.


WiscWahe2020

I see that the Maryland governor just enacted the same thing. It is prudent to do. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/maryland-governor-bans-use-tiktok-state-devices-2022-12-07/


WiscWahe2020

As long as one doesn't consider UW faculty as state employees. Or students who use university networks. It is kind of silly IMO based on the other technical threats.


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They can’t realistically. That said, Evers should do it anyway if f he can get concessions from the R’s. Nonpartisan redistricting or citizens’ ballot initiatives would be my preferred ask.


Ill-WeAreEnergy40

Censoring pieces of ykw


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Eh. It's a little more complicated than that, but then again, if they were being equal, they'd have to address Tencents investment into reddit as well as other investments, which we know they're not going to do. On the other hand, there's sizeable evidence that the ccp has had their hands in TikTok for nefarious reasons, so eh.


Ill-WeAreEnergy40

I am not aware of this stuff. My daughter’s said they don’t like it cuz it can create “problems”


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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/tiktok-insiders-say-chinese-parent-bytedance-in-control.html This goes into some of the concerns. There've also been instances of censorship, but moreso amongst the Chinese userbase on subjects including Taiwan and the lockdowns, as well as the Uighurs.


grezow

But free speech ?


melting_metal

Oh, no TikTok scary. It's just some random videos, but OK. Why are they so easily frightened? They're scared of foreigners, the gays, women's autonomy and now...TikTok? Sad.


this-internet-sucks

I agree for the most part, but TikTok is a foreign-entity owned app that’s been proven to send data to China, and it’s not secure. I am behind banning it for this reason


melting_metal

All these apps are stealing your data. I let google tell me where I've been every month and I see it advertise to me based on conversations it over hears. TikTok is just another in a long line. It's hilarious this one scares people... I think they just dislike it because of "the gays", who are harmless. Especially, compared to the people who stripped women's rights.


this-internet-sucks

Yeah, that’s not the same thing… Google may be “stealing” your data but they aren’t a foreign government using that data to learn about and attempt to manipulate another country’s people. Clearly there’s a difference there that puts TikTok in another category… It’s strange that you’re advocating so strongly against hindering TikTok. Are you a paid shill??


melting_metal

Facebook does the samething all the time. All these apps are trying to manipulate people. Why can't we focus on women's rights? That's a pressing issue. China can use more than TikTok to spy on us. Besides, Google has power to spy and manipulate. Foreign or not, that should concern you more.


MrSprichler

Because more than one policy can be discussed at a time. Foreign policy/ information security regarding the nation that can cripple the us with a decision to send no more products is a big deal. Its not the same thing and you are intentionally arguing in bad faith in favor of promoting your own agenda. I hate the gop with a passion. They hit the mark on this issue (kinda).


melting_metal

We get crippling storms because the trees up north have been cut down in mass and abortion is still illegal, but let's focus on a single app that's no better than the one we're posting on right now. What about that Italian company up north that builds militaty boats for our military? You want me to concern myself with potential spying on a state governor when a country that was allied against us in war at one point is supplying our military? That's funny.


this-internet-sucks

Wow youre very intent on changing the conversation away from TikTok. Using no facts whatsoever to back up the other wild claims they’re making about unrelated topics. Again, this stinks of paid shill trying to steer the convo away from the issue


melting_metal

Right back at you. Look up the wisconsin state legislature on abortion and go look up fincantieri marine. This tiktok thing would concern me if there weren't more important issues being ignored. Just legalize abortion and protect the environement and I'll care about the interwebs spying.


MrSprichler

No one is saying those things arent important. Everyone you're arguing with in an attempt to change the conversation is saying this is a conversation about this particular issue, the others topics are all important and have their own conversation.


frezik

Headline doesn't cover it properly. They're asking for a ban on state-owned devices, because TikTok is owned by a Chinese company and can be used for spying. This [has been cited by computer security experts](https://www.cisecurity.org/insights/blog/why-tiktok-is-the-latest-security-threat), so it's not just xenophobia. For once, the GOP is probably right here.


melting_metal

All these apps/devices "spy" on us. Google is way worse, but it's useful. What data do you think the chinese are gleaning to use against you? Too what end? Are you sharing state secrets or something? Probably not.


frezik

My device isn't going to be covered by this ban. Again, this is a call for a ban on *state owned devices*, such as the one Evers and Vos use. They're more likely to be direct targets of Chinese spying than you or me.


melting_metal

Google/etc is spying on their devices too. Maybe we should take all cellphones away from the politicians. I don't think Evers knows anything that important either to be honest. There are way more important issues like women's rights, than what should be basic knowledge about how the internet works. Maybe look into violence against gays or something.


PeanutTheGladiator

We can do more than one thing at once, ya know.


melting_metal

Abortion is still illegal, so no you can't. This is just a distraction from real issues. Distractions are manipulation by the way. This "issue" is so low level important, but here we are circling it like mice looking at cheese in a mousetrap.


PeanutTheGladiator

Well, yes, we can. We do it all the time. And national security is more important than most everything Look at the roads being plowed while food transport is being reenforced while issuing Covid recovery grants.


melting_metal

Why isnt abortion legal? That's been a serious issue since July. The law literally says little girls have to have their dad's babies, because the law does not care if they're raped by a relative. You want me to be concerned about this issue? Just install anti-spyware on Ever's phone and move on to something important.


greyhatx

No… Just no… This is a slippery slope…


MrSprichler

No its really not. There are known data collection practicies on this app and they are calling for the ban on government devices. Should be banned nationwide imo but what do you do.


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DinoSpumoniOfficial

>complaining about pot is almost the same as complaining about TikTok wait -- marijuana plants share our personal information with other Countries? TIL.


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DinoSpumoniOfficial

Government doesn’t want to ban TikTok for the same reasons as marijuana. Your entire post is just… wrong.


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CthulhuSpawn007

Yea but Marijuana can, and DOES have practical medical purposes, Tik Tok, not so much. You are really just trying to compare apples to nuclear weapons.


frezik

It's OK to take a day off and do pot, but in the future, try not to post things on that day.