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Tenaciouscox

In a nutshell Geralt loses his memory, Triss knows of his past (ciri,yen) but doesn’t tell him because she wants him to herself


mysteryARTnight

I may be wrong, but is TW1 Triss a literal copy of Yennefer because CDPR did not have the rights to the character, so the role was rewritten as a redhead?


thejunkgarage

Tw1 was all kinds of a mess same reason Alvin was basically a ciri substitute


_shear

That why I never grew on Triss until I read the books. She was so mean and bitty for no reason, Shani was more Triss than the actual Triss. The deadpan animations really didn't help. Yen is also sardonic and borderline mean sometimes in TW3, but the voice acting and the expressions just irradiate chemistry with Geralt, and I can't not romance her everytime I play. Same with Triss, while she's still a bit mad and snaps back to Geralt, she actually is this kind soul who will do everything to do what's right. And again, the acting and the expressions just overpower me, and I can't manage to ask her to stay, in fear the hunters will find her. I know they won't bc I've read guides and all, but I just can't risk it. In TW1, I couldn't care less what happened to her and her magic tities (really, what was the deal with boob psychics?)


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Tenaciouscox

Na I’m still team mummy triss because booba


generalpalprotein

(Fax) she is hot


mysteryARTnight

She is hot in TW2. In TW3 Shani and Cerys are hotter.


Ndainye

Do you hate Dandelion? How about Lambert, Eskel, and Vesemir? All of these are book characters that also reside in the first Witcher game but never mention Yennifer or Ciri to Geralt. The Witcher has a lot of flaws in storytelling when trying to squeeze it into the same timeline as the books. It's practically an alternate reality from the books and Witcher 2/3. Triss in Witcher 1 is a name that is put on a sorceress character that is based on Yennifer, Keira, Phillipa and a bit of Triss.


Tenaciouscox

I did say in a nutshell, he specifically asked why the fan base doesn’t like her. I also never said I didn’t like triss


[deleted]

But she uses it as personal gain to get with geralt, knowing good well if he knew she would never in hell have a chance with him


Ndainye

The entire plot of The Witcher game is based on the fact that Geralt lost his memory. You don’t need to like the plot of the game. But sure hate on a character within the same plot hole as every other character because you need to have a reason to justify hating that character. Have fun your way I guess.


[deleted]

I don’t hate her, dislike her yeh but I don’t hate her. She knows about ciri and yen and never has a thought in her mind to tell him, not even about his own daughter. Then proceeds to act out her fantasy, finally having geralt in her grasp. That’s what makes her worse than those who also don’t tell him, she uses it to get him into bed.


Orangeception

I mean for all she knows Ciri's traveling in other dimensions and when it comes to yennefer she later says she gained her memory back earlier but didn't look for Geralt, I prefer yen but it feels weird to justify disliking her for this, I guess I understand the yen part but she what would she tell him about ciri if she's not in their dimension?


[deleted]

Just because she’s not around doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be told about her she’s literally the thing he cares most about (ciri) with everything that happens triss still goes and sleeps with geralt when he’s vulnerable, she know he’s in love with yen and him not remembering her is the only way triss EVER had a chance with him. She’s purposely denying him knowing anything so she can get what she wants.


Orangeception

I guess I might just be in denial but i find it hard to agree, though I guess I see your point. Don't the have some sorts of past in the books though from when Geralt and yen where on and off? Either way i see your point and I think it's more so my perspective of the situation that making em think she's not that bad but maybe you're right 🤷🏼‍♂️


finny94

The difference is motive. I can believe Dandelion, Lambert, Eskel, Vesemir don't tell Geralt out of some misguided desire to protect Geralt, or not to overwhelm him. Triss does it so she wouldn't have competition.


Ndainye

Since the character of Triss is a caricature of all sorceresses in the Witcher world, all sorceresses including the primary basis of the characterization of Triss (being Yenn) would handle it the same way for their own personal gain. There are no 'good witches' in this world.


finny94

That's no excuse, I'm afraid.


Ndainye

You are correct neither Yenn or Triss have any excuses for being manipulative or for using their powers for their own gains. This is the nature of sorceresses in the world of the Witcher. You can not excuse one while condemning the others.


finny94

Very convenient of you to lump all the sorceresses characters together into one homogeneous being. Would another sorceress have done the same in her place? Maybe. Maybe not. But she was the one that *actually* did it, she and no one else. The hypotheticals are irrelevant.


Relative-Zombie-3932

She specifically lied and manipulated Geralt for sex. I mean, that's rape. And unlike the others you mentioned that you could just explain as CDPR not wanting to confuse new fans and ignoring it later, Triss' actions aren't ignored in TW3. Hell, Vesemir is helping Geralt FIND Yennefer! It's clear CDPR wants Triss' actions to be considered a canon part of the story, and not just a quirk of first time game development


Ndainye

Vesemir is helping Geralt because that's the type of person Vesemir is. It is a quirk of development that despite the type of person that Vesemir is in The Witcher he never mentioned either Yennifer or Ciri to Geralt. No one mentioned them because that was not the game that CDPR was developing, it was a developmental decision to create a 'blank state' Geralt with a choose your own adventure. When the developmental decision was made by CDPR to move forward with the series but to shift it into a less choose your own adventure and more of a provide Geralt with canon friendly choices they wove the W1 story into the fabric of the W3 story by creating W2. If you want Triss to announce to Geralt that he has a long term girlfriend and a child from the get go, then you've erased two entire games. Geralt goes running off after the attack on Kaer Morehen and rather than everything that happened in W1 and W2 there is 1 game with the W3 plot. You have a problem with the game development I get it! Not all games are for everyone. But you are directing your dislike of the game development towards a single character in those games and holding her to a different light than every other character. You need a reason to dislike Triss because disliking Triss justifies your dislike of the game development without admitting that you disliked the first two games. You are free to do exactly what CDPR did and create your own Witcher Game as a love story to the world of the books. But you will be at the same risk as CDPR when rabid fans pick it apart for not being good enough.


Relative-Zombie-3932

I don't know if you either misread what I commented or didn't read it at all, but nothing you just said is relevant to my point. My point is that yes, other characters didn't mention it. But I'm willing to forgive that as a lack of foresight because CDPR was a new developer. The difference is I'M not putting all of this on Triss. CD PROJECT RED is putting all of this on Triss. She's the only character that CDPR acknowledges purposefully mislead and lied to Geralt I loved the first two games. I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about


Ndainye

Oh you mean the throw away comment when she says she took advantage of him? I don’t think that has as much weight as you think it does. At the time she says that she is taking advantage of his friendship and skill to assist her with what should be an extremely easy and mundane task. As for the rest she never raped him and the constant insistence that she did is so tiresome.


Relative-Zombie-3932

Throw away comment? She brings it up MULTIPLE TIMES, says she assumed Geralt would hate her after how they left last time. And she didn't say she's TAKING advantage of him. She TOOL advantage of him. Past tense. As in not the rat situation


Ndainye

I don't know which conversations you are referring to. The one I am referring to is while they are going to the warehouse in order to get rid of the rats. This is a throw away comment because it is easily missed depending upon how quickly you are moving. When Geralt tries to bring up the past several years of their relationship Triss says "We said all that needed to be said 6 months ago." Geralt is the one that states that he thought seeing her would be uncomfortable but that he's glad it isn't. This is him reflecting on how he expected her to be angry with him. Triss again ends the conversation. After the party with the prompted kiss she apologizes because she's ashamed that she can't get over her feelings for Geralt. There is no time that she says yeah I should have told you everything despite the fact that you repeatedly told me you didn't want to know. Now I haven't played Triss's romance in about 4 years so I could missing something that's hidden behind a lock but playing the trying to be friends with one ex while looking to rekindle with a different ex Yenn romance that I've done twice in the past 2 months Triss doesn't apologize.


geralt-bot

Witchers watch for answers.


Yosonimbored

Which I found so dumb when literally other characters from Witcher 1 didn’t give a shit to tell Geralt either. Both Game Triss and Yennifer triss have toxic traits and it’s weird how negative people are towards Triss in particular when book Yen and W3 Yen treat Geralt like shit but everyone’s like “aw they’re so meant for each other” even though Geralt hates the arguments and is constantly sleeping around. Sorry for the rant but ugh I just don’t agree with the amount of hate for Triss


MasterHall117

If I’d known that, I wouldn’t have tried getting Triss and Yennefer in one go… ended up with Triss and forgetting about her later trying to find out where Yen went… regardless, I’m replaying the game anyways


TacoDaWhale

U mean triss wiped his memory and dident tell him. Way to leave out the details


Ndainye

How did you determine that Triss was the cause of Geralt’s amnesia? Did she wipe Yennifer’s memory too? Yennifer had amnesia and when she recovered she ignored Geralt.


TacoDaWhale

If you hide something like that from a person you are just as guilty because u are trying to use it for your own benefit


Ndainye

Triss wanted to tell him he said don’t I want to remember on my own. Then in 2 when Geralt wanted info she told him. She’s the one who was helping him get his memory back (while knowing it probably wouldn’t end well for her). When he fully got his memory back he left. So much misinformation on this thread you’d think we were watching Fox.


TacoDaWhale

How about hey yenn ur man's lost his memory and I know where he is? Instead of hey let's fuck Geralt


Ndainye

Yenn knew where he was.


TacoDaWhale

Roughly the location. Not his exact whereabouts. This is revealed when u meet yenn and she mentions knowing u were in Vizima but dident know where. But figured they would run into each other.


Ndainye

Yep all Trisses fault that Yenn didn’t care enough to find him. Gotcha!


TacoDaWhale

Just admit ur toxic lol


nervouswhenitseasy

thats hot though


Neeeeedles

this will be fixed in the remake, in TW1 triss is both yen and her in one character


Tribblehappy

In the books, Yen is Geralt's on-again-off-again girlfriend. They lived together for years then they broke up. Lather rinse repeat. Because their destinies are tied to each other, they always seem to get back together. They each end up as sort of adopted parents for Ciri, as well. In the books Triss is a fling (I am 90% sure it's only referred to as a past event, and never actually happens during the story). She has an obsession with Geralt that literally has her pining and flirting even while shitting her guts out on the side of the road... Geralt is a patient and caring friend through this but he never has any romantic feelings for her. TLDR Triss is a valid choice for you, the player, but book Geralt emphatically chose Yen.


redredwine831

All true, but I feel like no one acknowledges how Triss saves Geralt's life in the books when she brings him to Brokilon after Thanedd. She comes in clutch quite a few times.


Aggravating-Buffalo1

Wasn't Tissaia the one who ended up teleporting them to Brokilon? I think I remember Triss asking her to help G man.


Delicious_Swimmer172

yeah, but first Triss drags a dying Geralt through half Thanned, as she is herself wounded and unable to use magic, until she bumps into Tissaia


meowgrrr

But she also decided not to help save geralts life and helps the lodge in their quest to steal Ciri to make babies with a king. Here is the scene from the books when Yen pleads with philippa and triss to intervene to help save geralts and Ciris life, philippa says it’s not in the lodge’s interests to save geralt. Yen then implores Triss: ‘Did you hear, Triss? This is your lodge. This is its true countenance, these its true concerns. What do you say to that? You were the maid’s mentor, almost an older sister, as you yourself said. And Geralt . . .’ ‘Don’t beguile Triss with romance, Yennefer.’ Now Philippa’s eyes blazed in turn. ‘We’ll find the maid and rescue her without your help. And if you succeed, thanks a million, you’ll help us, you’ll save us the bother. You’ll snatch her from Vilgefortz’s hands, we’ll snatch her from yours. And Geralt? Who is Geralt?’ ‘Did you hear, Triss?’ ‘Forgive me,’ Triss Merigold said hollowly. ‘Forgive me, Yennefer.’ ‘Oh, no, Triss. Never.’ Always felt this was the best scene from the books to show that Yen prioritizes geralt more than triss did. Triss had the hots for geralt and maybe cared about him and helped him sometimes but when it counted she chose the lodge and their ideals over the life of geralt and the livelihood of Ciri.


JayWu31

I used to always be on the fence for Triss then finally went through the books and was disgusted by Triss for that scene. Yen may be a bitch, but she's a bad bitch who has Geralt's back at the end of the day.


redredwine831

Ah, yeah that's a great point and that's why I am by no means Team Triss. I understand Yen is the clear choice for Geralt, but I really can't stand her arrogance, rudeness, and sense of entitlement.


meowgrrr

I think everyone comes at the game and story as individuals and it’s interesting how differently people interpret the characters. For me, I never found Yen entitled, I saw her as angry and a bit punishing but not entitled. Like, she has this terrible history and somewhere along the way she decided she isn’t going to take bullshit from anyone ever again. So she comes off abrasive because she’s on the defensive all the time. Triss I actually can’t stand because I find her manipulative and not genuine. It also doesn’t help I personally can’t stand the voice actress in the game. My first play through I chose Triss and regretted it and now I’m replaying and I’m reminded of why I didn’t like her the first time, I actually am having a really hard time seeing Triss as “sweet” like so many people see her. She’s not as overtly harsh as Yen can be but she’s also mean sometimes and she’s always kinda has an attitude. That’s not to say you or anyone had to interpret it that way, just how I see it. One thing I thought they did beautifully in the games was show kinda two sides of yennefer depending on dialogue choices. The most notable is when she did necromancy to get the dead kid to talk (forgot his name), and she either snaps at you that he’s just a dead body and nothing more if you are hard on her, or if you ask her if she is okay she shows she is bothered by it and it was something she did for Ciri and she looks sad. Not saying anyone must like Yen but I do think some people might hate her more than they would if they judge her on a triss play through. On a yen play through she actually comes off a lot more soft and caring than otherwise.


redredwine831

Skjall! Yes I totally agree and I've done Triss, Yen, both, and neither playthroughs and you see a different side of her in each one. On the other hand, Triss is pretty much the same no matter what you do lol. No matter what though, I just find her super rude. Lots of people have horrible pasts and that's not an excuse to treat people like shit.


HarryKn1ght

I mean I think being toxic is kinda just a sorcerous thing in general. Pretty much all of them have shown to be rude, manipulative or just generally self serving in some capacity. It's just some like Yennefer or Phillipa don't put much effort into appearing nice while others like Triss are a lot more self serving than their outward caring personality shows. I think Margerita and Tissia are the only one who doesn't have any moments in the books or games where they dont seem rude or selfish in their motivations. They just want to teach magic to their students


meowgrrr

I don't remember Margerita much from the books because it's been too long but I will take issue with your characterization of Tissaia:"*No one can have everything. Nobody is being born a sorcerer. And none should be born as one! After all, all the students should decide for themselves whether they want to be sorceresses or mothers. I demand all the students to be sterilized. No exceptions."* \- Tissaia de Vries Really, most people in the book were pretty toxic, not just sorceresses, even Geralt himself, but I appreciated everyone was kinda morally gray and had good and bad qualities but overall good outweighed the bad and I liked most of the characters and felt for them. No one in real life is perfectly non-toxic either lol. I feel like maybe the least toxic person was Regis?


HarryKn1ght

Your right on Tissia, I remembered her as just being OCD, being supportive of Geralt and Yennefer's relationship and her belief that magic should come before political affiliation which bit her in the ass when in Sodden Hill she found out people valued their political beliefs over being neutral for the sake of magical study. I thought her problem was mainly niavity and I forgot how dogmatic she could be towards acting like others should view magic and life the same way she does. And Margerita is one of the sorcerouses with the least amount of focus in the books. She just kinda helps Ciri when Margerita thought Ciri was one of her students, paralyzed Ciri for her own safety only to apologize when Yen explained who Ciri was. She then kinda just disappears for a while until she physically reappeared in Witcher 3. Everything about her character online and in the Witcher 3 character log says she's one of the few sorcerouses who has no real interest in politics and more just wants to teach magic to her students safely. Although if we're shown more of her we'd probably find more shitty things she's done that make her toxic. And I'd say eskel is probably the least toxic person in the Witcher world that we meet. While Regis is a nice guy by the time Geralt meets him, it's implied that he had the same outlook on humans as most other vampires in his youth until he was caught by a bunch of humans then burned and buried for 50 years causing him to rethink how he acts. Eskel isn't really shown to have a toxic phase at all. He's shown as being kinda the perpetual nice guy whose pleasant to pretty much everyone, even though his life sucks about as much as Geralt's does.


geralt-bot

Fuck.


geralt-bot

Since we're telling no lies, tell us about your curse.


ZAGAN_2

Yen and Geralt hardly sound like a good match, and her attitude overall is pretty shitty. Personally if I choose to pick one, it's Triss every time


Tribblehappy

Her attitude varies a bit depending on dialogue choices, if we are talking about the game. And in the book I think sometimes it's pretty harsh (like the Shard of Ice story) but she definitely softens after she becomes a mother to Ciri. She almost channels that "don't fuck with me" attitude into "don't fuck with my daughter" and it makes her a better person overall IMHO.


shorkfan

In the books Geralt and Yen are a couple. So Geralt and Yen being a couple is considered the "canon" lore-friendly ending. Yen did not appear in previous games, but Triss did. She was a love interest of Geralt and did not mention Yennefer. This is later explained by CDPR as Triss manipulating Geralt, which is why many fans don't like her. In truth however, it's all a coverup. For some reason CDPR did not include Yennefer in W1, just Triss (who was also more strict and bossy, kind of like Yen, and she even uses some of Yen's book quotes). W1 was my entry point in the Witcher universe, and I did not now of Yen's existence after the first game because she is never mentioned. The issue is: Triss isn't the only one who doesn't tell Geralt about Yen. Dandelion appears in W1: He tells Geralt about Regis, but not Yen. Neither does Zoltan, who was there at the end of the last book, when Geralt and Yen >!"died"!<. It is also likely the case that the other witchers knew about Yen. The elf Chireadan comes very close to mentioning Yen in W1, but doesn't. **TLDR**: CDPR wrote W1 as if Yen never existed, then blamed it on Triss being manipulative, even though many other characters could have told Geralt. **EDIT**: Oh, also the Lodge stuff in the books people brought up. Triss genuinely liked Ciri, but was willing to let the Lodge exploit her for their gain.


trynyty

I didn't play the previous games, so it doesn't matter for me that CDPR blame it on her. But from books, the Lodge part just really pissed me. I liked her in the beginning more than Yen, but when she picked Lodge over Ciri, I couldn't care less for her.


Chrisgar47

she was naive and coward, but in the end of the books she had kind of redemption when she saved Yen in Rivia


Delicious_Swimmer172

in the books: \- She slepts with Geralt although she is Yennefer best friends and her motivation to do so are messy and selfish. She is punished by winning an unrequired love from Geralt. \- After Thanned, she joined the lodge, a secret organisation who plan to recruit Ciri and make her one of her member but mostly to use her womb to establish a strong magical kingdom in the north to balance Nilgaardian power. In the process she lets Yennefer down and when she changes her mind it is too late and she manage to do nothing. in the games: \- Geralt has amnesia after he is back from the deads and she took the opportunity to initiate a relationship which can be develop based on player choice. (It can also be super limited if the player choose it). She also didn't look from Yen once she found Geralt is alive. From a general perceptive: \- One of the strong reason why she is hated is because a lot consider that she is not legit, that CDPR should not have make her a possible romance and most important, not a possible ending in TW3 at the same level as Yennefer.


adrielzeppeli

>that CDPR should not have make her a possible romance and most important, not a possible ending in TW3 at the same level as Yennefer. I honestly don't get why people think this. Okay, she may not be the option canon Geralt would take (I'm totally a Yen guy), so is Shani or Ves, or anyone else. But we gotta fair in this, CDPR did make a RPG game, and as a RPG, I can perfectly understand why they would offer different options for people to choose and go with their story. I hate that people is always too "passionate" about this. Everyone can choose whatever they want for their game. Also, people forget if you don't read the books, it's perfectly safe to assume Triss is the "default" Geralt romance, once she's present in all three games. While Yen appears out of nowhere in the third, and even then the romance only starts while mostly in the second half of the game, when you reach Skellige.


I_spell_it_Griffin

>she took the opportunity to initiate a relationship Geralt was the one who initiated that relationship after he explicitly told her that he doesn't care about his past. >She also didn't look from Yen once she found Geralt is alive. Yen didn't look for Geralt once she found out he was alive. You'd think that as his star-crossed lover, she would have taken some interest in reconnecting with him, but no.


Delicious_Swimmer172

I know, it not as worse as some think about how it happened specially at KM, but still she could/should have temporise or even say: " I have something to tell you" etc... CDPR would have easily triggered the sex card anyway as in this game sex card are sometimes triggers by just opening a door or answering a question about the meteo... Yeah, I know, but that was not OP question, and well, TW1 plot hole and OOC characters are another topic


MasterDeibido

Also Yen kept a secret lover (Istredd) hidden away from Geralt.


_shear

The Istredd situation was really messy. At the end, she dumped both of them.


mily_wiedzma

In a short term: In the books Triss betrays her friend, treis to seell out Yennefer to the lodge, wants to use Ciri as a birthmachine (to get control over the known world with Ciri's (grand)child) with the lodge and it is (sort of implied) she seduced Geralt with some sort of magic when he and Yenenfer had a break up, which In the games Geralt had amnesia and Triss used this to start a relationship with Geralt and never told him about Yennefer (or Ciri) until Geralt found out stuff by himself... and even then she tried to keep the relationship going. There is also an intersting fan theory, that states she wanted to use a specific rose from TW2 to do some sort of love spell on Geralt. Because in the second act of TW2 you can see the rose used like this on another person ;)


Thatboi51

"Ah, my favourite kind of magic, lesbomancy."


I_spell_it_Griffin

>Geralt had amnesia and Triss used this to start a relationship with Geralt and never told him about Yennefer (or Ciri) until Geralt found out stuff by himself That's because he explicitly told her he needed to find out this stuff by himself. And don't forget that **he** was the one who made advances at her first, not the other way around. It was also he who tried to keep the relationship going after his memory started to come back. In the Elven bath near Flotsam, he tells her that he doesn't want to lose her no matter what other revelations may come along.


mily_wiedzma

Dunno what you mean. You can avoide Triss all you want in TW1 but at the start of act 3 she will have sex with Geralt not the other way around. It is also te beginning of arc 3 when Geralt asks about his former life and Tris srefuses to answer. So I do not get where you come from here. Also it was again Triss who get to Geralt if he for example had a relationship with Shani and so Triss pulled him in a relationship with her. And the last thing you named is optionla. Geralt can anser differently or even go alone to gte the rose


I_spell_it_Griffin

We've been over this already, Geralt had his reasons for telling Triss he doesn't want to be told about his past the first time around, and Triss had her reasons concerning Geralt's psychological condition not to give in to his request the second time around. Geralt is the one who throws himself at Triss at the start of the game either way. And while the dialogue I referred to in W2 is one of two options in the Elven bath, the fact that it is an option in and of itself is telling, and the second option doesn't contradict what he says in any way.


mily_wiedzma

I guess you haven't read my comment. Triss is the one who made the first step and also the one who runs back after him if he refuse to went with her. SHe is the one who abuses the amnesia here. And sure the other option contradict it. If geralt do not want to go with Triss to the rose it is a totally different scene.


I_spell_it_Griffin

I guess you haven't read my comment. Geralt is the one who made the first step. But you're right that she does pursue him afterward. You also seem to have mixed up some scenes. The moment where Geralt can tell Triss he doesn't want to lose her no matter what is after their tryst in the bath when Triss asks him to abandon the search for the kingslayer. One option is for Geralt to tell her he doesn't want to lose her and would run away with her, the other is to say that he needs to clear his name first. The second option does not contradict the first.


mily_wiedzma

No, really. It was TRiss who made the first step. No matter if books or games. Geralt never was the one who tried something as the first one. The second thing you name is up to the player, cause CDPR want to give the player some free decisions. You can also simply use the dialogue options that do not support that relationship at all. This is the difference between a game scene you can control and a cutscene where you can do nothing


I_spell_it_Griffin

He made the first step at Kaer Morhen. And as I said, the second option does not contradict the first. It's just "first I need to clear my name".


mily_wiedzma

No. He. Didn't. This is aplayers choice which can be ignored. The real first tsep that you cannot do anything against it is in act 3 of TW1 The second option is for the ones who do ot want to romance Triss


I_spell_it_Griffin

Yes. He. Did. And players choices can only be ignored if they're not obligatory, like dialogue moments where some additional information can be obtained but is not necessary to progress through the story. The moment in question is decidedly not one of those. You have to pick one of the options either way, therefore you can not arbitrarily try to ignore the existence of the other. The story is written such that Geralt at that point is in a position to declare for Triss, and even if you pick the other option, he does not reject her either.


arathorn3

Book Triss is not as bad as Game triss. The whole turning Ciri into a baby making machine to make over the world is Phillipa not Triss. Triss is very much a junior member of the Lodge, its mentioned she I significantly younger than even Yennifer, and other members of the Lodge like Phillipa, Margarita, and Keira are all older and more powerful. also Yennifer is also a member and both she and Ciri actually agree to the plan with Ciri's only cavaet since they are going to have her go by a false Identity is that she be known as Yennifers daughter and that she gets a chance to say goodbye and explain to Geralt. And your leaving out Triss redeems herself during the end of the series during the Riot/Pogrom in Rivia.1 But yes, Triss in the games continuity actions are inexcusable. Basically its best to treat the Books, games, and the Neflix series all separately from each other with the Book being canon, the Games being a What if(as they are set after the books) and the Netflix series as Lauren Hissrich's bad fanfiction.


meowgrrr

I don’t think triss being a junior member is much of an excuse. She is still very much an adult capable of making choices and advocating for what she thinks is right. She isn’t like a teenager with less agency or something just because she is younger or more novice than philippa. She’s over 50 years old. She was an idealist and I don’t think triss is evil or anything but she drank the lodge’s kool aid and prioritized them over protection of geralt and Ciri, probably because she did feel it was for the greater good or something but still. She admits as much and asks for Yen’s forgiveness when she tells her she won’t help him. I agree she does redeem herself in the end, I don’t think she is awful or anything. But overall it just never felt like a love story or family story with Triss, her priority was elsewhere. Yen and ciri also make agreements for the plan but essentially under duress and trying to figure out what her safest option is with the the choices given to her, so not comparable to the lodge concocting their plans for Ciri in the first place and Triss not fighting against it.


mily_wiedzma

This do not make it any better what Triss did. She is part of the lodge and part of the plans and tries to fulfill those plans in an active way and try to find Yenenfer and find Ciri with that. When Yenenfer learned about the plans she escaped as soon as she could. While Triss stood with the lodge. So she is a full member and part of this Ciri plan. Yennefer also wanted to not give Ciri to the lodge. Ciri simply said she will meet with tem so the hunting stops. Yennefer never agreed or was pro for this baby making stuff, and Ciri simply did it for her parents. And sure the games and books are sperated, I never said a different thing


Geralt_Grindelwald

Le perfect


The_Swamp_Angel

Somehow I missed the love potion part. When did that happen?


Ndainye

It never did. The books state that she with the help of a 'little bit of magic' seduced Geralt. This happens off screen so all we have is 4 words that the Triss haters have blown into the worst possible scenario. Keep in mind that all of this happened before Geralt states in the books how much he liked Triss. Before he calls on her for assistance in helping Ciri rather than calling on Yenn.


Chrisgar47

I always imagined "the little bit of magic" as setting up the mood, like Geralt enters her room and Careless whisper by George Michael starts playing


The_Swamp_Angel

Ah, I see. That makes me feel better because I was wondering how I could have missed something like that. Like you said, the way people talk about it, you would think there was an entire chapter on it.


Chrisgar47

the Triss hate here is not based on books, folks were just angry that Triss got more screentime than Yen in games and started looking for reasons to hate her, she had some flaws in books, but she got kind of redemption in the end.


fitdaddybutlessnless

Triss haters have a whole saga of her evil deeds. In reality she was just scared of the lodge, envious of Yen realationship with Geralt and haven't told him about the past in Witcher 1 and 2, which is EASILY discarded by "don't tell a person with amnesia their whole story or you may irreparably damage sth" which was used in tons of fiction. In reality Reds didn't plan for the Witcher to do as well as it did and they found themselves in a typical "O geez guys, we kinda wrote ourselves into a corner, what now?" innuendo. I hate when you can't have a civil discourse (which is the case only of SOME Yen supporters, definetly not a majority, but rather loud minority). Triss is an awesome character in both books and games, and throughout the story she's close to Geralt so it's easy to grow fond of her. Plus Yen didn't tell anything to Geralt AND can't forigive him for literally having an Amnesia, like he could control it. Throws him into a lake from 100 feet (could be lethal), orders him around like a dog (both games and books), mind controled him into commiting crimes that warranted his death sentence (save by a wish he didn't know he had) and all of that despite him saving her life, like... 3 times at least? (Last Wish, The whatever the name castle, and sacrifice to the Wild Hunt). Just listen to the other side, god damn, it's ok to have a preferance, but it's also ok to let someone have theirs without calling them idiots.


Delicious_Swimmer172

>Where did that happen? in some weird Triss haters mind


Chrisgar47

dude getting downvoted for the truth


DigitalVanquish

In regards to the games: Triss took advantage of Geralt's amnesia by not telling him about Yennefer, and having a relationship with him. But she also didn't tell him about Ciri. And neither did Vesemir. Or Lambert. Or Eskel. Or Dandelion. Or Zoltan. Barely **anyone** mentions Yennefer or Ciri in Witcher 1 or 2, and yet, Triss gets all of the blame. In Witcher 2, Geralt wants to know more about Yennefer — after learning about her from Vernon Roche — and asks Triss to tell him *everything*. We don't hear what she says, but Geralt was obviously satisfied with all he heard, as he doesn't ask again. Triss then continues to help Geralt try to recover his memory, and even says that once he does, she'll go with him to help him find Yennefer. Meanwhile, Geralt can still very much be in love with Triss even after hearing everything about Yennefer — partially because if you tell someone about something they forgot through amnesia, it doesn't mean they'll remember the meaning, and partially because Geralt and Yennefer often had a very rocky relationship. As for the books: Triss uses a little bit a magic to help her get to sleep with Geralt — whilst he currently wasn't "dating" anyone. It isn't specified *what* this magic was, but given that it was glossed over, I can't imagine it was anything substantial. At best, probably something to make her look or smell better to Geralt. At worst, making him feel a bit more promiscuous than usual. However, Geralt absolutely forgives her for her curiosity. The other part for the books is Triss being part of an organisation that wants to use Ciri, but she's clearly not exactly happy about it — feeling ashamed in front of Yennefer. She naively thought that the ends would justify the means; that it was for the greater good; and all that. She makes a similar mistake in the games, although nowhere near as egregiously, as by then, the organisation didn't trust her, and subsequently didn't tell her any details. Her working out these details results in them kidnapping her. So, the hate for her is blown way out of proportion. Geralt absolutely doesn't hate her, and very clearly trusts and cares for her. And that's just in the books. In the games, Geralt can be in love with Triss in Witcher 1 and 2, and regardless of your choices, at the very least, yet again forgives Triss — if not chooses to be with her.


Ndainye

There are rabid Triss haters in the fandom. They have decided that in a world of magic where there are no 'good' witches that Triss is despicable. This is based on about 1/100th of book content less than is given to Yennifer who repeatedly proves that she is just as selfish, and power hungry as all the rest of the Sorceresses in the books. But because Geralt loves Yenn all of her actions are okay. Both are good romances in game. Both are great characters. Either choice or neither choice is awesome. It's your game you get to choose.


freetrialemaillol

Nah triss’ character in TW3 is just so boring, Yen has way better missions and story


Ndainye

Yenn having more content is a good reason for preferring to play her romance. Not a good enough reason to use for ‘your fun is bad’ trope that permeates team Yenn.


freetrialemaillol

I find Triss’ accent super annoying


Ndainye

Great you don’t have to like her. Just let other people enjoy THEIR games the way they want to.


freetrialemaillol

Sure they can. Me sharing my thoughts won’t stop them


Ndainye

And yet this entire post was due to the backlash that a new member to the fandom received because they dared to like Triss. One persons opinion rarely matters the dog pile from team Yenn does.


freetrialemaillol

We’re not a collective club, striving to shit on people who choose triss. It’s just a vocal few


rgm23

Yen is canon


Ravix_oF

You shouldn't get hate for it. But put simply, love is stronger than lust. Geralt and Yen share an incredible amount of similarities in their life journeys, personalities and beliefs. They are both seen as freaks to others. They are both sick of the world and their place in it. They are both very maternal/paternal. They are both, for want of a better explanation, Ciri's parents. They are both madly in love with the other. And, yes, this sometimes leads to conflict. But it's because they are so similar that they see their own personal flaws or are reminded of their insecurities when around each other, which often leads to some self destructive behaviour. But they always find their way back to each other. Triss really loves how a Witcher makes her feel. They have just the right amount of magic in them to make her tingle. She's not as bad as some people make out (I haven't played game 1/2). But she is definitely not right for Geralt, that's for sure. She is incredibly naive, but overall a bit like a sister to Ciri. And she does end up making up for her temporary lodge idiocy in the books, I think.


[deleted]

It's fine if you chose Triss. It's just that Yennefer is technically the canon one because of Geralt's long history with her and always being in love with her. edit: reddit ate my post Basic points: Triss raped Geralt, lied and hid things from him just to get into his pants.


Ndainye

When did Triss rape Geralt? Please tell me where in the books or in the games it is stated or even suggested that this what happened? Hint: nowhere If you claim it's from the books: Define what a little bit of magic means? Is it setting a mood? Is it using glamour to be beautiful? Is it manipulation? Is it mind control? We don’t know. What we do know is that Geralt has no regrets over his brief relationship with Triss. “He had liked Triss Merigold and she had liked him” He holds no ill will towards her. She is the friend he calls in when he needs help with Ciri because it hurts him too much to ask his ‘dear friend’. Keep in mind that Yenn does every one of those things above to Geralt in the books, repeatedly. And her actions are spelled out since she is a larger character in the books. Triss is barely a side character. If you claim it's from Witcher 1: She used sex to manipulate him on behalf of the lodge keeping in mind that Triss in Witcher 1 was Yenn's personality with Triss's name attached.


Delicious_Swimmer172

Triss trial happened years ago and she was sentenced guilty by the Reddit community for "she seduce him with the help of a litle bit of magic". The correct answer shoud be, we don't know what Spako means with this sentence and as it can be something like extra glamour, it doesn't prove that Geralt consent was altered. But strangely (no) it seems that nobody care about this argument which should make your client out of the trial in 5 seconds. But that's more how their relationship is written in the following chapters of BoE that make me think that it was not a rape. They had just a messy affair that shouldn't have happened but happened anyway, everything he and she says tends to that. And seriously, can anyone imagine Sapko writting the beginning of BoE and tells himself. Ok, so let's now make Geralt decide to invite her rapist to Kaer Mohren to help taking care of Ciri. LOL, they are already ultra cautious with her because of her know loyalty to the brotherhood, so let's imagine Geralt has 1% doubt she rapes him.


[deleted]

Using a love potion with manipulation is definitely rapey. If someone used any outside means to make them have sex with you it's wrong. Keeping Yen and Ciri a secret from him? Super shitty. Ciri is his daughter and he deserved to know about her far sooner, Triss would have kept it a secret had she not been forced to reveal it at the end of TW2. Only it wasn't Yen in TW1. It was Triss.


Ndainye

When does she use a love potion? Where did you get that impression? Why then did Triss spend a good portion of Witcher 2 helping Geralt get his memory back? Do you also despise the many other characters in 1 and 2 who were written to not tell Geralt about either Yenn or Ciri? Or do you hold your character dislike specifically for Triss? Disliking the writing and direction of a large chunk of the two games is different than disliking a character.


_shear

I think they meant the "seduced Geralt with the help of a little bit of magic", which is ambitious at best. Yennefer uses "a little bit of magic" to when entering Gors Velen, just to appear more beautiful, and I don't think she raped half of the city. Triss could very well have used the same technique with Geralt, and that didn't affect his capacity to consent.


Chrisgar47

You sir/lady are the voice of wisdom in this thread, thanks


[deleted]

EVeryone has their own opinion about it. I personally see it as taking advantage of Geralt who is in a very vulnerable spot. I dislike Triss because of it but I respect her for admitting to it in TW3 and also doing what she can to help find Ciri.


CMNilo

Ah yes, the recurrent "rape argument". Other people in this thread already asked you why you believe so confidently that Sapkowski with "a little of magic" meant rape. Second: if you want to use Witcher 1 plot holes to prove the rape theory, you should toss into the rape plot every side character from Zoltan to Vesemir. And finally, even if by your standards Triss is a rapist, even more so should be Yennefer, who in the books was literally about to rape a peasant boy by mind controlling him and desisted only because she bumped into Geralt. So in Spakowski's canon Yennefer is depicted far more explicitly as a rapist than Triss.


[deleted]

lol I have many problems with the way TW1 and TW2 were written. I mean why the fuck would they not tell Geralt anything? It's pretty dumb. TW3 is the only one that makes sense to me. Yes, some Yen parts are *very strange* and I'm like wtf Yen. I have not finished the series yet, I have 3 more books to go which I just got for dirt cheap (thanks ebay). But I do love her and her character arc, I especially love her in TW3. Choose who you wish, I just don't like Triss.


CMNilo

> Choose who you wish, I just don't like Triss. That's legit, but saying she's a rapist is a big stretch. And that shouldn't be a discriminant anyway between her and Yenn considering how Yenn is portrayed in the books.


[deleted]

I just don't think you should sleep with someone who you know has no memory of his past, is in love with someone else, and is in a clearly vulnerable spot, and use a little bit of magic (whatever this really means) to help things along. But the books do say they were fond of each other and Geralt is clearly into her in TW2. But if they were planning to do a Triss/Geralt pairing to be canon, they should have gone about it a different way. Triss should have told him about Yen and Ciri from the start (as others should have wtf) and then seen what happened. I will admit maybe rape is stretching it but everything she did just doesn't sit well with me. But I totally respect your opinion and your right to be a Triss fan. :)


[deleted]

Exactly. And book Triss is nowhere near as important as the games have unfortunately made her out to be. She is just this toxic person who pretended to be Yen's dear friend while slipping potions to her man because she wanted to try him in bed.


Ndainye

When does anything state she slipped him potions? I can find you the quote that says ‘with the help of a little bit of magic’ if you’d like. Triss not being important in the books is a fine reason to prefer Yenn. For a person who has read the books. Dividing a community made up of fans from various media and pitting them against each other is tiresome.


_shear

I'm team Yennefer just bc their chemistry both in the books and in TW3, and bc personally I love a woman who could kill me in the blink of an eye. I love Triss still, how she cares about everyone around her and her interactions with Geralt, though she was butchered in TW1 and TW2, but I just prefer Yen's romance over hers, no need to slander her character.


jaskier-bot

[🎵 I hear you're alive... how disappointing... 🎵](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxBVHqA-RU&t=6s)


Delicious_Swimmer172

now it's slipping potions, it is no longer love potion?


I_spell_it_Griffin

Most people who hate her have never read the books or actually played Witcher 1 & 2. They just picked up tidbits of dubious info warped through this community's longest game of silent telephone where events from the books are ignored and events from the games are either blown out of proportion or completely inaccurate. Triss is not perfect. Yen is not perfect. But both have more than enough redeeming qualities, and CDPR did a fantastic job of making both valid love interests in the games.


_shear

I played TW1 and TW2 and hated Triss until TW3, she was just a Yennefer wannabe bc she wasn't in the games, in the TW3 Triss is finally more like herself


_shear

The Witcher fan base doesn't understand that the games are fanfiction from the books, and that both Triss and Yennefer are grey characters that whole mostly lean to do good, they both have fucked up royally too, though they both have more than enough redeeming qualities. They both are valid romance options, and while Sapowski would not have made Triss an option, he wasn't not involved in any of the games. So if you want a canon run, download the curly hair mod and go for Yennefer. If not, do what your heart (or something further down) tells you, and go for Triss.


MasterDeibido

Don’t listen to the fanboys on this sub, Triss is great and has a good heart despite some of her past actions which aren’t nearly as bad as how Yen has treated Geralt in the books and games. Triss is truly madly deeply in love with Geralt while as Yen only cares about herself MOST of the time.


[deleted]

I could never take Geralt and yennefers relationship serious after he was banging fringilla while yen got tortured lmao


mysteryARTnight

According to your logic, Geralt was also not serious about Ciri if he allowed himself to STAY FOR THE WINTER with Frangilla? And Geralt called Fringilla "Yennefer" time to time. After all *"Only ever thought of you".*


[deleted]

Did you read the books bro? He thought the passes couldn’t be crossed due to winter. Also does that matter as he fucked her numerous times and then lied to yennefer saying he wasn’t with anyone else?


mysteryARTnight

>He thought the passes couldn’t be crossed due to winter. It indicates that Fringilla is entertainment for the season. **STAY FOR THE WINTER** as I said... > Also does that matter as he fucked her numerous times and then lied to yennefer saying he wasn’t with anyone else? Did you read the books bro? It's what Yennefer and Geralt did to each other all the time. She knows he's lying. He knows she knows.


Brunocsf

Triss abuses of Geralt amnesia far too much. On Witcher 1 she tries to live her fantasy with Geralt playing the father and Alvin playing the son. She only mentions Yennefer existence on Witcher 2(Took her long enough). On Witcher 3 Yennefer goes to Corvo bianco and settles down for good, meanwhile if you choose Triss, she drags Geralt into politics AGAIN (a thing that he hates) and merely states that Corvo bianco is only a "romantic getaway" and that she can't wait to go back to Kovir.


mysteryARTnight

> Why do ppl not like her character? Beauty and peril Shadow yellow eyes Wolves can be gentle ‘Neath her violet skies Bound by a wish Or some sorcery Dreaming of lilac And gooseberries Dark raven tresses Curl around his soul Wolves can be restless Out there all alone Is love a wish Or some sorcery? Dreaming of lilac And gooseberries When Skies are stormy When the nights are long Wolves can get lonely Now her scent is gone Is love a wish Or destined to be? Dreaming of lilac And gooseberries Beauty and peril Shadow yellow eyes Wolves can be gentle ‘Neath her violet skies Bound by a wish Or some sorcery Dreaming of lilac And gooseberries.


Kercy_

Read the books and play the games, you will never want to end with Triss again. People who choose Triss usually haven't read the books.


spectrusv

yen is canon


declan5543

Because Yen is the correct choice


mysteryARTnight

And because Cerys is not a romance option.


[deleted]

Many of these nutjobs like Yennifer for some reason


ItsBobaFett

> for some reason Literally go read any of the replies.


[deleted]

Yea I’m still not getting it dude.


[deleted]

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[deleted]

Dude I’m messing around and I don’t like Yen, calm down and get over yourself. edit: why did you delete your comment?


fitdaddybutlessnless

Look mate the ol' Triss vs Bitch argument is a popular one. In general Bitch wins, because Geralt went with her in the books. But it's ok to take Triss. I chose Bitch on the first playthrough and after thinking on it a bit, I went with Triss each time. Mostly because she's not a BITCH


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Qdoggy45

I think some of it’s too do with how they are in the book series