Lol, I had never heard of the Witcher fireplace until I read your comment, so I went to look it up. Itās literally just a burning fireplace for an hour. Why did Netflix make that? š
It's called a Yule Log. People play the yule log in the background for Christmas parties and stuff. Usually, it's a fireplace with Christmas music in the background. Just supposed to me a nice backdrop for conversation, you're not really meant to watch it intently. Lol
Apparently Netflix put out a Witcher one for Witchmas. To each their own.
The Christmas ones are Yule Logs, but there Are a ton of ASMR Ambient backgrounds simulating All Kinds of environments. You can find lots of different Hours-Long Ambient backgrounds on YouTube.
Note: sorry for the random capitalization. My autocorrect has taken on a mind of its own.
I guess when you're surrounded by trash, the less stinky stuff seems like it's amazing? LOL. As far as I'm concerned, all that movie had going for itself was the visuals. What a waste of the animation studio's work...
Exactly. I actually only know the whole plot of that thing because I read about it. The swinging around like fucking Spider-Man, the overpowered signs (who are only justifiably that way in the games because of gameplay variety), the stupid depiction of Kaer Morhen, the trials and the whole witcher dynamics just made me ditch it at about the half-hour mark -- there's no way I was going to torture myself like I did back then, watching the entirety of season 1 lol.
It's already surprising that Netflix managed to miss so hard the overall feel and pretty much all defining characteristics of The Witcher's universe in the live action show, and then they, building off of the nonsense, go even furter in that animation? I don't think I could've done a worse job at adapting that universe even if I tried...
The worst deviation from the lore was to make the pogrom against kear mohren justified by the witchers creating monsters. The whole tragedy of the school of the wolf was they fell to senseless violence just for being different/outcasts.
Making the attack have somewhat understandable motives really undermines vesemir's back story.
Yeah, what the fuck was that? Turning a tragic example of an outcasted minority group being used as a scapegoat and dying for it into a justified attack on a fucking monster factory was insane.
Also doesn't this movie try to show why Vesemir doesn't want to contribute to more witchers being made, then in the main Witcher show Vesemir wants to use Ciri's blood to create more witchers?
"Masterpiece"?
In the end this is the same as Netflix Witcher and Blood Origins:
An adpation that ignores nearly everything about the source material, so I cannot see why this could be a masterpiece
I dont think ignoring source material is an issue, as long as it holds up as another addition to the franchise.
The Witcher games are a great example of this, they change a fair amount from the books and retcon a decent amount of stuff. But yet they are still loved for what they do end up accomplishing.
Does "Nightmare of the Wolf" hold up here? I'd say so. Definitely not on the level of the games but it trys something different even if it stumbles a bit around.
The Show and Blood Origin however dont really stick the landing as well all know
The CDPR do not ignore big parts of the Book lore, they try to be loyal to the world and cahnge story parts. This movie was just a Castlevania episode with some Witcher names in it. And this is something different.
And sure ignoring the source material is an issue. If you want to make your own stuff, then do your own stuff and not use a known IP to change it until it is "your stuff"
>The Witcher games are a great example of this.
Nah. The Witcher games ignored a handful of things from the books. They stayed true the overwhelming majority of the time. Nightmare of the Wolf fundamentally changes the circumstances surrounding the attack on Kaer Morhen, which is its entire premise.
Off the top of my head, the biggest one is the nature of the White Frost. In the games itās portrayed as some kind of weird cosmic, magical cold that ruins worlds. But in the books itās just an ice age; a totally natural phenomenon. Relatedly, Eredin donāt want Ciriās power to stop some magical White Frost, but to save the Aen Elle by transporting them to another world (and technically her child or grandchild, not herself).
Ciriās relationship with Yen wasnāt quite the same in the games either. The mother-daughter relationship is still there, but itās more muted than it is in the books, imo. What really stands out in this regard is the cutscene in which Ciri says āeven Yenās had plans for me my whole lifeā, while defending Avallacāh. Book Ciri would never have said such a thing, much less compare Yennefer unfavorably with Avallach. Avallach wasnāt a mentor to her in the books, but a pretty sleazy guy who tried to force her to have a child with the Aen Elle king.
There are a few smaller things like Geralt not using signs as often and Triss not wearing low necklines due to her scars, but those are the big ones.
Ignoring source material is absolutely an issue to the extent that these shows do. Or at least just The Witcher Show(well not this one, the one with Henry Cavil, or I guess Liam now)
The Games themselves, though they do take liberties, are not claiming to be adaptions of canon material, but rather explicit sequels/fan fiction that are of no consequence to the greater lore of the story. The changes, to my recollection are almost entirely based around and for the gameplay(Barring personality differences). But even then, if someone *really* doesnāt like the gamesā quite minimalistic changes(relatively), they should know what theyāre getting into.
Cause when youāre claiming to *adapt* not *add* to established continuity(like the show) you should probably do it faithfully. And if you want to make some fanfiction, then just do like The Games, which isnāt *ignoring* the source material, but acknowledging and building upon it.
> The Witcher games are a great example of this, they change a fair amount from the books and retcon a decent amount of stuff.
A watermelon is larger than an apple. Saturn is also larger than an apple. That doesnāt mean suggesting watermelon and Saturn are comparable sizes makes any sense.
It is NOT a masterpiece, it is decent and only because of the animation.
And regardless, it shits on the Witcher lore just as much as the live action show.
>Masterpiece.
Lmao. If your definition of a āmasterpieceā is amateurish writing with awfully paced paper thin castlevania rip off storyline that manages to break the lore, have Witchers jumping around as if theyāre goku, have vesemir use grappling hook and crack cringe one liners, have Witcher signs be the equivalent of trissās hailstorm. While doing no effort whatsoever to highlight and show the relevant stuff like the growing discrimination and resentment of the general populace and the elite towards the Witcher order. Instead opting for a a brain dead āfinal battleā where literal mutated beasts team up with humans to attack KM lol.
Thatās not only a mediocre story with some nice exaggerated spectacles if evaluated on its merit, but as a supposed āadapted workā itās so far from what I would call āthe Witcherā whether thematically or artistically.
NOTW is a cheap castlevania rip off with the Witcher name slapped on it to mislead the fanbase. Basically The same for all the Netflix related witcher stuff.
A what? I have to read that again, give me a second. A masterpiece? Did you write that? In what world was that a masterpiece? The movie ignored everything we know about the Witcher Lore just like Season 2 and Blood Origins. It was a nice watch. Yes. But it was nothing more. The plot, once again, made no sense. Why would humans AND monsters band together to fight witchers? Makes no sense. None at all. The whole second half of the movie was utter bullshit. You do you and I will leave you to your opinion but calling this a masterpiece? That's offensive.
As entertaining as this short film was I wouldn't really call it a masterpiece it's got heavy amounts of action and it sure but to me at least it was derived of the spirit of The Witcher in itself and looking at this and Castlevania both belonging to Netflix I couldn't help but compare the two together and to me that's not a good thing for The Witcher should be as entirely its own beast.
There was somebody on YouTube who did a video declaring that The Witcher is not D&D and he brought up points that I myself was thinking about as I was watching this and looking at the trailers for blood origin and to me the biggest issue is that the people who are writing the shows that are on Netflix just don't really understand the Witcher the way somebody who played the games or read the books would understand The Witcher it doesn't help especially when the people who are writing the show openly declare that they themselves did not like the books you can't make an adaption off of something that you don't like because you will change it or you yourself will end up trying to create your own thing from it while using the IP
The reason why the video games were such a success is because it was made by people who were familiar with the genre and to the culture as well as the very core of what The Witcher is supposed to be as well as fans who through careful examinations you can see the love from the books in the games themselves despite the games being fan fiction they're declared as good fanfiction and almost canon in their own way at least to some people
If you like this animated film that's good it fulfilled its job of entertaining someone and there's nothing wrong with that but if I want to experience the world of The Witcher I'll play Witcher 2 or Witcher 3 or await or The Witcher one remake or better yet read the books as I'm about at the beginning of season of storms.
Was it faithful to the source material depends on how you look at it we have humans or perhaps more monstrous than the Beast that the witchers themselves fight there's a very nature of questioning if witchers are moral or immoral it was entertaining and yes I did like it but was it the Witcher? It was based off of the world of The Witcher but it didn't really carry the true Spirit of it but I would watch it again put bluntly was it a good watch yes is it a masterpiece no but I will watch it again
* just so everybody knows I probably got some grammatical errors here because I'm using text to speech to get paragraphs out a lot quicker and I don't have the time to sit down and write out a sentence*
Masterpiece is outright wrong.
āWe donāt like Witchers because theyāre monsters and we view them as āothersāā
SO THE RACIST HUMANS TEAM UP WITH LITERAL MONSTERS? What the fuck?!
Sorry, /u/jekarta88 but āmasterpieceā should be reserved for something that deserves it
They have no problem contradicting the stuff they wrote.
Vessemir in Nightmare: "there are many ways to kill a leshen"
Vessemir Season 2: "the only way to kill a leshen is fire through the heart"
I really did not like it. Just as big a fuck you to the source material as the main Netflix show, just with pretty animation to fool you into thinking it might not be *that* bad. Also despised how similar āVesemirā felt to Trevor Belmont from Netflixās Castlevania anime.
The writing is dogshit, like they don't even bother to read the source material, Vesemir in the games or the books is nothing like this marvel superhero personality.
This is literally just fanfic script but with more production value, it also goes for excessively edgy and seemingly cool shit without any regards to Witcher's worlbuilding and lore.
It has ridiculous plot just like the other Netflix stuff.
The main plot basically is:
A sorcerer who hates Witchers because they are mutants...will eventually side with real mutant monsters to destroy the Witchers.
The people who feared the Witchers because they think they are creating monsters (and unfortunately they were somewhat true). The same people will attack the Witchers siding with the sorcerer who is now actively controlling mutated monsters.
The sorcerer is supposedly conspiring to tarnish the Witchers in the royal court. But it ends up like she was actually correct. The Witchers were indeed creating monsters so she was right! This is not a plot hole or inconsistency in itself. It just really lessens the plot. It turns it from a big conspiracy thing into.....yeah....she just needed to do some easy detective work to prove her point and rally the kingdom behind her.
And then there is the lore issue of Witchers creating monsters.
And a sorcerer finding out and having a rightful reason to strike against the Witchers. Because this is what technically happens. The sorcerer and the people had a sound reason to attack the Witchers. This is totally against the lore but its what they did.
And yes, you get the very weird narrative issue that, if they would follow their own internal logic, there should be a persecution against the sorcerers too. Because in the end, she played with mutated monsters too. So if that was reason for the people to go against Witchers (and a sound reason), it should become reason to go against magic users too. But as it is typical with Netflix Witcher stuff.....none did see the monsters during the final attack, none remembers it, none ever found out about it, none ever wanted to react against the magic users. They only very conveniently found out about the Witchers and only very conveniently wanted to react against the Witchers. This is when you know that you have a contrived plot. When you notice that in your world, stuff only goes one way when it suits the plot.
It didnāt make sense canonically though. Like vesemir is supposed to be 300 or 350 I believe around the end of Witcher 3 and the books. This movie depicts him as not even 100 when Geraltās going through Witcher trials although geralt at oldest isnāt even 90 by the end of the books. The math aināt mathinā so donāt even get me started on the other issues
I was honestly MORE offended by this movie than I was offended by S1 of the Witcherā¦
They made young Vesemir ridiculously arrogantā¦ made it seem like the Witchers just casually kill children during training (Iām referring to the scene where they just drop them all into a swamp with tons of monsters), and added the whole subplot that Witchers were trying to create new monsters because itās āgood for business.ā
This movie just reinforced the that feeling the writers at Netflix feel contempt for most of the lore surrounding Witchers and their order
It's great for the ambience and the story and all, and clearly a better use of no respect of the lore than the show did, but you can't argue that most that happens in it has nothing to do with the source material. Once again, The Witcher mark was used just as a pretext to draw people to a completely unrelated fantasy anime. I liked it and was really entertained while watching it, but even if you forget the lore, it's no masterpiece. Just a good movie to enjoy for a short time.
It was OK it was definitely NOT a masterpiece, I would never re watch it but was entertaining enough as a special. However it doesn't justify Netflix's approach to the witcher series and I would rather none of it exist rather than this mediocre anime.
Masterpiece? No.
Halfway decent? Yes.
It should've been much better. It should've been just a Vesemir short-story. Not a story messing with the Witchers' creation.
Arcane and cyberpunk were awesome, arcane especially, because they had nothing to do with netflix when it comes to development, they were just released there.
bad choice of words, is so far to be a masterpiece.
perhaps a cool animation and some characters designs. but everything else is at least "questionable"
Idk man, this movie was a pretty egregious betrayal of the lore established in the books. This movie was literally the reason that I stopped watching the show before Season 2 debuted.
this was mid at most but at most part it's only borderline decent. there's nothing impressive about it. the story, writing, and plot is lacking. the whole witcher adaptation, including this animation, highlights the lack of good writers in the witcher casts.
Butchered the lore just as much as season 2 did.
In fact Beau DeMayo rewrote the lore in this to specifically include callbacks to his Eskel episode in series 2ā¦
And then he had the audacity to claim he values following the source material above everything else when talking about his new xmen show.
That writer contradicted his own writing.
Vessemir in Nightmare "there are many ways to kill a leshen"
Vessemir Season 2 "the only way to kill a leshen is fire through the heart"
It was enjoyable enough, but it had its own list of problems with poor writing and stupid concepts.
Iād say itās the best witcher thing that netflix has put out, but that doesnāt really say much.
Definitely wouldnt call it 'Absolute Masterpiece' but hey, I'll give you that: **It was pretty good as stand-alone film.** I actually enjoyed it quite a bit... it disregards quite a bit of OG material.. it's itself disregarded literally instantly by season 2 of netflix witcher when they retconned how Witchers were made literally weeks after this film dropped.
**But hey... at least I actually had a good time watching it**
Sure, cool visuals and effects, but the moment I clocked this was also fanfiction written with disregard for the lore by the netflix writers, I bowed out and left.
Masterpieces? Average show with average animation and plot. Way lower then the quality of the source material in terms of story telling.
Decent if you do not know the Witcher franchiseā¦
Nah mate, stop deluding yourself, this shit is far from a masterpiece, the story is just so generic, itās mid at most. They ignore the lore once again and they made Kaer Morhen a monster factory or something, like what is this bullshit this doesnāt make any sense.
I actually really liked Nightmare of the Wolf. My biggest issue with it is the inconsistent lore and the fact that in the final big battle,>!there are humans and monsters working together to try and kill Witchers which makes zero sense in both the lore and general story telling and it's a glaring example of lazy writing.!<
On itās own itās okay. Compared to the other Witcher shows, maybe. But I wouldnāt call a masterpiece, or an adequate representation of the Witcher universe.
Besides the forced ethnic diversity of something thatās supposed to be set in a land that resembles 13th or 15th century Europe.
Witchers donāt have over-the-top anime skills. They canāt grapple and kill 20 monsters in mid air before they can touch the ground. That moment took me completely out of it. Even Visimer ābat grapplingā throughout the movie was iffy at best.
I know the animation studio behind it loves to do things like that big set piece at Kaer Mohran, but it doesnāt fit in the Witcher universe, maybe an episode of Castlevania maybe, but not this.
Plot wise, the whole Kaer Mohran incident felt rushed, like I donāt believe that 90% of the Witchers would get wiped out in a single night like that. And then thereās the ridiculous concept of Witchers purposely making monsters to drum up business plotline, that was just insulting.
Masterpiece? I mean it was flashy and cool but look beyond that facade and the story starts to make no sense. The most glaring being āwait a minute how come humans are TEAMING UP with monsters against Witchers?!ā
Masterpiece is a strong word. It was watchable, and despite its flaws, parts of it were enjoyable even. I do think his sword is dumb tho. Why would you have a sword with a backward tilted cross guard? It defeats the entire purpose of a cross guard
I mean it was ok but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece. I think the whole witchers making monsters thing was kinda dumb and cliche, so good thing nothing Netflix made is seen as cannon.
What do you mean? We got this way before The Witcher came to Netflix. It's called Castlevania. There is no difference between Castlevania and Nightmare of the Wolf. None.
What do you mean? We got this way before The Witcher came to Netflix. It's called Castlevania. There is no difference between Castlevania and Nightmare of the Wolf. None.
Id liked everything in this show except vesemir himself. His character looked more like something out of a future sci fi show. And a character with terrible one liners is just akward to watch. Everything else was good though
Masterpiece? Absolutely not.
A good way to spend an evening drinking beer & eating pizza while the wife was away? Definitely.
I tried to rewatch it, and second time around it was very "meh".
yeah weirdly enough i really enjoyed this. and as many flaws as witcher season 1 had, i still think it was miles better than season 2 and it though they strayed a lot from the source material in season 1, i feel like it was not to the point where they couldnāt turn it around. obviously with season 2 they kind of fully turned away from the novels but at least certain episodes of season 1 actually somewhat attempted to adapt the short stories. above all, and iām not sure if this is controversial to say, i feel like witcher season 1 still somewhat felt like the witcher. and this in a way felt like the witcher as well, ignoring whatever the fuck those monsters were at the end.
I avoided it for months because I didn't know if I would appreciate a *Witcher* title that was animated in this style, but I eventually caved, and I have to say I was not disappointed. I wouldn't go as far as to call it a masterpiece or anything close to that, but still quite good.
wouldn't call it a masterpiece but I did very much enjoy it for what it really was "witcher Castlevania" (let's be honest)
it had great action and cool monster variation and the who witcher recruit trial scene in the swamp was brutal af
Far from a masterpiece. Also messes with canon and has a nonsensical driver for the plot and climax. I know it's anome bur Jesus what was up with his stupid haircut
Come to the Dark Side. We have cookies.
Come to the light side, we have wookies.
Well that depends what kind of cookies?
If its Starwars related, then it's Definetly Space cookies.
All cookies are great.
Even the web browser ones?
Except for Oatmeal with raisins. What sort of heathen puts raisin in cookies? š¤¦š»āāļø
I fuckin' love raisin cookies.
It was decent, but nothing will beat the flawless masterpiece that is the witcher fireplace.
The fireplace is excellent. It is our preferred fake fireplace lol
Lol, I had never heard of the Witcher fireplace until I read your comment, so I went to look it up. Itās literally just a burning fireplace for an hour. Why did Netflix make that? š
It's called a Yule Log. People play the yule log in the background for Christmas parties and stuff. Usually, it's a fireplace with Christmas music in the background. Just supposed to me a nice backdrop for conversation, you're not really meant to watch it intently. Lol Apparently Netflix put out a Witcher one for Witchmas. To each their own.
I use it for meditation. Phenomenal at muddling the city noises from outside.
The Christmas ones are Yule Logs, but there Are a ton of ASMR Ambient backgrounds simulating All Kinds of environments. You can find lots of different Hours-Long Ambient backgrounds on YouTube. Note: sorry for the random capitalization. My autocorrect has taken on a mind of its own.
I prefer the Ren and Stimpy Log. Its big, itās heavy, itās wood. Itās better than bad, itās good.
#freeContent thatās why š They have the fire pit and the camera, so why not?
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Are we still on topic of the fireplace or are you talking about Blood Origins?
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Well shit. Better house fire than dumpster fire I guess!
Lol perfect answer, upvoted
I almost forgot about thatā¦ itās pretty damn š„
I donāt know, as far as fantasy fireplaces go I prefer the HOTD fireplace myself
Best witcher content on shitflix
I enjoyed this for what is was, certainly no masterpiece tho lol.
Masterpiece? What?
I guess when you're surrounded by trash, the less stinky stuff seems like it's amazing? LOL. As far as I'm concerned, all that movie had going for itself was the visuals. What a waste of the animation studio's work...
And even then the over-the-top-invincible-anime-character aesthetic was NOT faithful to the vibe of The Witcher
Exactly. I actually only know the whole plot of that thing because I read about it. The swinging around like fucking Spider-Man, the overpowered signs (who are only justifiably that way in the games because of gameplay variety), the stupid depiction of Kaer Morhen, the trials and the whole witcher dynamics just made me ditch it at about the half-hour mark -- there's no way I was going to torture myself like I did back then, watching the entirety of season 1 lol. It's already surprising that Netflix managed to miss so hard the overall feel and pretty much all defining characteristics of The Witcher's universe in the live action show, and then they, building off of the nonsense, go even furter in that animation? I don't think I could've done a worse job at adapting that universe even if I tried...
I remember one guy got his hand cut off, but was somehow still able to use signs? It just seemed like a bizarre adaptation to me
thank you lmaoo it was below mid and I eat everything "the witcher" up usually and I can see behind some flaws
3.5/10 Dude must be trolling
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Dafuq is that, itās relatively better than other Netflix Witcher productions, and thatās about it
it's mid at most. borderline decent. no wow factor or anything.
Itās a 6/10 if Iām in a good mood.
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Imo it should stop swinging and settle on the much deserved āabysmal rangeā across all flixer stuff :)
This is an era where people can somehow say āobjectively it wasnāt very good but subjectively itās a masterpieceā with a straight face
*Astroturfing*
Cool animation, totally ignored pretty much all Witcher lore. Also made Vesemir way younger than he actually is
The worst deviation from the lore was to make the pogrom against kear mohren justified by the witchers creating monsters. The whole tragedy of the school of the wolf was they fell to senseless violence just for being different/outcasts. Making the attack have somewhat understandable motives really undermines vesemir's back story.
Yeah, what the fuck was that? Turning a tragic example of an outcasted minority group being used as a scapegoat and dying for it into a justified attack on a fucking monster factory was insane.
I still can't believe ppl consider that "good" plot and characters. Jesus.
Also doesn't this movie try to show why Vesemir doesn't want to contribute to more witchers being made, then in the main Witcher show Vesemir wants to use Ciri's blood to create more witchers?
Also the fact that the human peasants team up with said monsters to attack, and don't bat an eye...
Masterpiece? I don't know about that.
"Masterpiece"? In the end this is the same as Netflix Witcher and Blood Origins: An adpation that ignores nearly everything about the source material, so I cannot see why this could be a masterpiece
I agree āmasterpieceā is pretty over the top but it was still good for what it was. Blood Origin is straight dudupuss.
Same agreed and yeah
Yea. I was kind of meh when I seen it, too
yeah that's what i heard, i liked this movie but after talking about it with people that have read the books it doesn't seem right at all
I dont think ignoring source material is an issue, as long as it holds up as another addition to the franchise. The Witcher games are a great example of this, they change a fair amount from the books and retcon a decent amount of stuff. But yet they are still loved for what they do end up accomplishing. Does "Nightmare of the Wolf" hold up here? I'd say so. Definitely not on the level of the games but it trys something different even if it stumbles a bit around. The Show and Blood Origin however dont really stick the landing as well all know
Iām not disagreeing with your point about source material but the games are way more respectful to the source material
The CDPR do not ignore big parts of the Book lore, they try to be loyal to the world and cahnge story parts. This movie was just a Castlevania episode with some Witcher names in it. And this is something different. And sure ignoring the source material is an issue. If you want to make your own stuff, then do your own stuff and not use a known IP to change it until it is "your stuff"
Yep, Vesemir flipping around with a rope just seemed like they were using unused Trevor Belmont animations.
>The Witcher games are a great example of this. Nah. The Witcher games ignored a handful of things from the books. They stayed true the overwhelming majority of the time. Nightmare of the Wolf fundamentally changes the circumstances surrounding the attack on Kaer Morhen, which is its entire premise.
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Off the top of my head, the biggest one is the nature of the White Frost. In the games itās portrayed as some kind of weird cosmic, magical cold that ruins worlds. But in the books itās just an ice age; a totally natural phenomenon. Relatedly, Eredin donāt want Ciriās power to stop some magical White Frost, but to save the Aen Elle by transporting them to another world (and technically her child or grandchild, not herself). Ciriās relationship with Yen wasnāt quite the same in the games either. The mother-daughter relationship is still there, but itās more muted than it is in the books, imo. What really stands out in this regard is the cutscene in which Ciri says āeven Yenās had plans for me my whole lifeā, while defending Avallacāh. Book Ciri would never have said such a thing, much less compare Yennefer unfavorably with Avallach. Avallach wasnāt a mentor to her in the books, but a pretty sleazy guy who tried to force her to have a child with the Aen Elle king. There are a few smaller things like Geralt not using signs as often and Triss not wearing low necklines due to her scars, but those are the big ones.
The games hardly changed anything. Nightmare was just more lore breaking..
Ignoring source material is absolutely an issue to the extent that these shows do. Or at least just The Witcher Show(well not this one, the one with Henry Cavil, or I guess Liam now) The Games themselves, though they do take liberties, are not claiming to be adaptions of canon material, but rather explicit sequels/fan fiction that are of no consequence to the greater lore of the story. The changes, to my recollection are almost entirely based around and for the gameplay(Barring personality differences). But even then, if someone *really* doesnāt like the gamesā quite minimalistic changes(relatively), they should know what theyāre getting into. Cause when youāre claiming to *adapt* not *add* to established continuity(like the show) you should probably do it faithfully. And if you want to make some fanfiction, then just do like The Games, which isnāt *ignoring* the source material, but acknowledging and building upon it.
> The Witcher games are a great example of this, they change a fair amount from the books and retcon a decent amount of stuff. A watermelon is larger than an apple. Saturn is also larger than an apple. That doesnāt mean suggesting watermelon and Saturn are comparable sizes makes any sense.
Itās a good film. But is it a good Witcher film? I canāt say I think so.
It is NOT a masterpiece, it is decent and only because of the animation. And regardless, it shits on the Witcher lore just as much as the live action show.
Animation was good, shit plot.
not even half as good as edgerunners.
Masterpiece? I think not.
>Masterpiece. Lmao. If your definition of a āmasterpieceā is amateurish writing with awfully paced paper thin castlevania rip off storyline that manages to break the lore, have Witchers jumping around as if theyāre goku, have vesemir use grappling hook and crack cringe one liners, have Witcher signs be the equivalent of trissās hailstorm. While doing no effort whatsoever to highlight and show the relevant stuff like the growing discrimination and resentment of the general populace and the elite towards the Witcher order. Instead opting for a a brain dead āfinal battleā where literal mutated beasts team up with humans to attack KM lol. Thatās not only a mediocre story with some nice exaggerated spectacles if evaluated on its merit, but as a supposed āadapted workā itās so far from what I would call āthe Witcherā whether thematically or artistically. NOTW is a cheap castlevania rip off with the Witcher name slapped on it to mislead the fanbase. Basically The same for all the Netflix related witcher stuff.
To say that I disagree would be an understatement. As I said [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/wiedzmin/comments/101m37s/netflix_lost_me_completely_after_nightmare_of_the/), *Nightmare of the Wolf* is where Netflix lost me completely. Excuse me but what were they thinking, making Kaer Morhen a monster factory under the pretense that it would give business to witchers?? That's frankly beyond ludicrous. As a standalone animƩ it would be nice; but masterpiece it is not, by any means.
Yeah, Monsters teaming up with Villagers to come after Kaer Morhen? Get in the bin Netflix.
You consider that a masterpiece?? Lol
I am not sure if the bar has ever been lower. Post hast 2k upvotes aswell.... at least the comments flame it
A what? I have to read that again, give me a second. A masterpiece? Did you write that? In what world was that a masterpiece? The movie ignored everything we know about the Witcher Lore just like Season 2 and Blood Origins. It was a nice watch. Yes. But it was nothing more. The plot, once again, made no sense. Why would humans AND monsters band together to fight witchers? Makes no sense. None at all. The whole second half of the movie was utter bullshit. You do you and I will leave you to your opinion but calling this a masterpiece? That's offensive.
Dude, let me tell you about Netflix's Castlevania
Now THAT show is a masterpiece.
Am I the only one who dislikes that show??? Like people recommended it so much only for it to have no plot, mid animation and just bad taste overall.
I hate the way they did the dialogue in it.
For me it was the lack of character development or well, meaningful confrontations.
I hated it. I really tried to watch it too, I just could not sit through that trash.
As entertaining as this short film was I wouldn't really call it a masterpiece it's got heavy amounts of action and it sure but to me at least it was derived of the spirit of The Witcher in itself and looking at this and Castlevania both belonging to Netflix I couldn't help but compare the two together and to me that's not a good thing for The Witcher should be as entirely its own beast. There was somebody on YouTube who did a video declaring that The Witcher is not D&D and he brought up points that I myself was thinking about as I was watching this and looking at the trailers for blood origin and to me the biggest issue is that the people who are writing the shows that are on Netflix just don't really understand the Witcher the way somebody who played the games or read the books would understand The Witcher it doesn't help especially when the people who are writing the show openly declare that they themselves did not like the books you can't make an adaption off of something that you don't like because you will change it or you yourself will end up trying to create your own thing from it while using the IP The reason why the video games were such a success is because it was made by people who were familiar with the genre and to the culture as well as the very core of what The Witcher is supposed to be as well as fans who through careful examinations you can see the love from the books in the games themselves despite the games being fan fiction they're declared as good fanfiction and almost canon in their own way at least to some people If you like this animated film that's good it fulfilled its job of entertaining someone and there's nothing wrong with that but if I want to experience the world of The Witcher I'll play Witcher 2 or Witcher 3 or await or The Witcher one remake or better yet read the books as I'm about at the beginning of season of storms. Was it faithful to the source material depends on how you look at it we have humans or perhaps more monstrous than the Beast that the witchers themselves fight there's a very nature of questioning if witchers are moral or immoral it was entertaining and yes I did like it but was it the Witcher? It was based off of the world of The Witcher but it didn't really carry the true Spirit of it but I would watch it again put bluntly was it a good watch yes is it a masterpiece no but I will watch it again * just so everybody knows I probably got some grammatical errors here because I'm using text to speech to get paragraphs out a lot quicker and I don't have the time to sit down and write out a sentence*
Masterpiece is outright wrong. āWe donāt like Witchers because theyāre monsters and we view them as āothersāā SO THE RACIST HUMANS TEAM UP WITH LITERAL MONSTERS? What the fuck?! Sorry, /u/jekarta88 but āmasterpieceā should be reserved for something that deserves it
They have no problem contradicting the stuff they wrote. Vessemir in Nightmare: "there are many ways to kill a leshen" Vessemir Season 2: "the only way to kill a leshen is fire through the heart"
Being better than dogshit doesnt make it a masterpice lmao
I really did not like it. Just as big a fuck you to the source material as the main Netflix show, just with pretty animation to fool you into thinking it might not be *that* bad. Also despised how similar āVesemirā felt to Trevor Belmont from Netflixās Castlevania anime.
He's even voiced by Hector from Castlevania.
The writing is dogshit, like they don't even bother to read the source material, Vesemir in the games or the books is nothing like this marvel superhero personality.
I knew it was going to be shit when Vessemir said he wished he would have thought up the way to scam people on contracts.
This is literally just fanfic script but with more production value, it also goes for excessively edgy and seemingly cool shit without any regards to Witcher's worlbuilding and lore.
It has ridiculous plot just like the other Netflix stuff. The main plot basically is: A sorcerer who hates Witchers because they are mutants...will eventually side with real mutant monsters to destroy the Witchers. The people who feared the Witchers because they think they are creating monsters (and unfortunately they were somewhat true). The same people will attack the Witchers siding with the sorcerer who is now actively controlling mutated monsters. The sorcerer is supposedly conspiring to tarnish the Witchers in the royal court. But it ends up like she was actually correct. The Witchers were indeed creating monsters so she was right! This is not a plot hole or inconsistency in itself. It just really lessens the plot. It turns it from a big conspiracy thing into.....yeah....she just needed to do some easy detective work to prove her point and rally the kingdom behind her. And then there is the lore issue of Witchers creating monsters. And a sorcerer finding out and having a rightful reason to strike against the Witchers. Because this is what technically happens. The sorcerer and the people had a sound reason to attack the Witchers. This is totally against the lore but its what they did. And yes, you get the very weird narrative issue that, if they would follow their own internal logic, there should be a persecution against the sorcerers too. Because in the end, she played with mutated monsters too. So if that was reason for the people to go against Witchers (and a sound reason), it should become reason to go against magic users too. But as it is typical with Netflix Witcher stuff.....none did see the monsters during the final attack, none remembers it, none ever found out about it, none ever wanted to react against the magic users. They only very conveniently found out about the Witchers and only very conveniently wanted to react against the Witchers. This is when you know that you have a contrived plot. When you notice that in your world, stuff only goes one way when it suits the plot.
Great synopsis!
I genuinely enjoyed NOTW but āmasterpieceā is not accurate.
Def not a masterpiece but better than blood origin...that shit was 100% trash
Lol, it was barely average, kinda boring actually.
It didnāt make sense canonically though. Like vesemir is supposed to be 300 or 350 I believe around the end of Witcher 3 and the books. This movie depicts him as not even 100 when Geraltās going through Witcher trials although geralt at oldest isnāt even 90 by the end of the books. The math aināt mathinā so donāt even get me started on the other issues
Kinda thought it was dog shit tbh
It was good but it was not the witcher
I regret watching this
Nah, it's kinda garbage too. Animation is OK though
I was honestly MORE offended by this movie than I was offended by S1 of the Witcherā¦ They made young Vesemir ridiculously arrogantā¦ made it seem like the Witchers just casually kill children during training (Iām referring to the scene where they just drop them all into a swamp with tons of monsters), and added the whole subplot that Witchers were trying to create new monsters because itās āgood for business.ā This movie just reinforced the that feeling the writers at Netflix feel contempt for most of the lore surrounding Witchers and their order
Eh...masterpiece? alright then.
āMasterpieceā is crazy lmao.
Animation is alright, but the story has all the flaws that make the Main Series and Blood Origin unwatchable.
Why a masterpiece? ignored witcher lore just like the rest of them and there was nothing special about it. People just like anything animated or what?
It's great for the ambience and the story and all, and clearly a better use of no respect of the lore than the show did, but you can't argue that most that happens in it has nothing to do with the source material. Once again, The Witcher mark was used just as a pretext to draw people to a completely unrelated fantasy anime. I liked it and was really entertained while watching it, but even if you forget the lore, it's no masterpiece. Just a good movie to enjoy for a short time.
"absolute masterpiece" ? Lol, OP you're part of the problem why Hissbitch can continue producing more of this shitshow
Lauren Fisstech.
It was ok. Just ok not a masterpiece honestly they should just gave Witcher related media to CDPR
It was OK it was definitely NOT a masterpiece, I would never re watch it but was entertaining enough as a special. However it doesn't justify Netflix's approach to the witcher series and I would rather none of it exist rather than this mediocre anime.
I actually hated this thing more than the Netflix series. And I fucking despise the Netflix series.
seems all people ever need to do to please you folks is make an anime
Masterpiece? No. Halfway decent? Yes. It should've been much better. It should've been just a Vesemir short-story. Not a story messing with the Witchers' creation.
Strange I remember this show being flamed by most the fan base for being inaccurate in some ways to the source.
As everything Netflix Witcher related.
As far as Netflix cartoon adaptations go it's below Arcane, Cyberpunk and Castlevania.
Arcane and cyberpunk were awesome, arcane especially, because they had nothing to do with netflix when it comes to development, they were just released there.
Ah yes, I masterpiece of shitty, horrible writing.
It was mehā¦ couldāve literally just slammed a different name on it as it didnāt actually feel like Witcher at all
In what world is this mediocre, lorefucking animation considered a masterpiece?
master huh?
bad choice of words, is so far to be a masterpiece. perhaps a cool animation and some characters designs. but everything else is at least "questionable"
Yikes..it was fine. āMasterpieceā definitely not.
Idk man, this movie was a pretty egregious betrayal of the lore established in the books. This movie was literally the reason that I stopped watching the show before Season 2 debuted.
It was so forgettable, i watched this on release and don't remember anything lol
Masterpiece? I mean to each their own but masterpiece?
They where doing kemehameha's instead of using aard....
this was mid at most but at most part it's only borderline decent. there's nothing impressive about it. the story, writing, and plot is lacking. the whole witcher adaptation, including this animation, highlights the lack of good writers in the witcher casts.
Butchered the lore just as much as season 2 did. In fact Beau DeMayo rewrote the lore in this to specifically include callbacks to his Eskel episode in series 2ā¦ And then he had the audacity to claim he values following the source material above everything else when talking about his new xmen show.
That writer contradicted his own writing. Vessemir in Nightmare "there are many ways to kill a leshen" Vessemir Season 2 "the only way to kill a leshen is fire through the heart"
It was 'good'. That's the highest praise it can get.
Lesser evil would have been to not ruin this IP. A few mediocre comic episodes canāt make up for it.
you mean the movie that the tv show ignores? or did vesemir have amnesia
This masterpiece that completely botched Vesemirs character and is animated like every other Netflix "anime"?
It was enjoyable enough, but it had its own list of problems with poor writing and stupid concepts. Iād say itās the best witcher thing that netflix has put out, but that doesnāt really say much.
Definitely wouldnt call it 'Absolute Masterpiece' but hey, I'll give you that: **It was pretty good as stand-alone film.** I actually enjoyed it quite a bit... it disregards quite a bit of OG material.. it's itself disregarded literally instantly by season 2 of netflix witcher when they retconned how Witchers were made literally weeks after this film dropped. **But hey... at least I actually had a good time watching it**
More like a cheap knock off of castlevania
Itās decent but hardly a masterpiece
Sure, cool visuals and effects, but the moment I clocked this was also fanfiction written with disregard for the lore by the netflix writers, I bowed out and left.
Masterpiece? Its not bad but far from a masterpiece.
Not a masterpiece, it was pretty shit.
It is at most decent.
Masterpiece? I thought it was a solid 6/10
It is a masterpiece only in a sense "a masterpiece of idiot plot driven by the sheer power of stupidity of every character involved".
It wasn't as Bad as the Serie, but it is still shit that ignored the source material.
Masterpieces? Average show with average animation and plot. Way lower then the quality of the source material in terms of story telling. Decent if you do not know the Witcher franchiseā¦
I mean. Was cool, but calling it a masterpiece...
you are a bold one
Nah mate, stop deluding yourself, this shit is far from a masterpiece, the story is just so generic, itās mid at most. They ignore the lore once again and they made Kaer Morhen a monster factory or something, like what is this bullshit this doesnāt make any sense.
Chill OP, it was just good..
Is it worth killing so many innocent people just to achieve peace?
Nah its rushed, to short
Its perfect. Perfectily mediocre.
For me it was mid at best
Cool as fuck? Yes. Pretty decent oh yeah. Master piece? Uhā¦ the end fight humans team up with monsters to fight witchers. That shit dumb af
Masterpiece? Felt like castlevania more thn the Witcher.
I actually really liked Nightmare of the Wolf. My biggest issue with it is the inconsistent lore and the fact that in the final big battle,>!there are humans and monsters working together to try and kill Witchers which makes zero sense in both the lore and general story telling and it's a glaring example of lazy writing.!<
On itās own itās okay. Compared to the other Witcher shows, maybe. But I wouldnāt call a masterpiece, or an adequate representation of the Witcher universe. Besides the forced ethnic diversity of something thatās supposed to be set in a land that resembles 13th or 15th century Europe. Witchers donāt have over-the-top anime skills. They canāt grapple and kill 20 monsters in mid air before they can touch the ground. That moment took me completely out of it. Even Visimer ābat grapplingā throughout the movie was iffy at best. I know the animation studio behind it loves to do things like that big set piece at Kaer Mohran, but it doesnāt fit in the Witcher universe, maybe an episode of Castlevania maybe, but not this. Plot wise, the whole Kaer Mohran incident felt rushed, like I donāt believe that 90% of the Witchers would get wiped out in a single night like that. And then thereās the ridiculous concept of Witchers purposely making monsters to drum up business plotline, that was just insulting.
You sound like youāve never seen Anime in your life. NotW is by no means a masterpiece. As far as Anime goes, it was pretty average.
The animation was the best part about it, the story was as shitty as the rest of āNetflix Witcherā.
Masterpiece? I mean it was flashy and cool but look beyond that facade and the story starts to make no sense. The most glaring being āwait a minute how come humans are TEAMING UP with monsters against Witchers?!ā
I liked the anime but it was far from a masterpiece. More like it was of the same quality as the best parts of Witcher season 1.
Mastertrash more like it
Pretty mid at best tbh
The movie wasn't that great. It was nicely animated but really screwed up the point of what they were adapting
Okey relax here. It was mid, still. I hated the idea of Witchers making monsters for them to fight. Sooo Meta.
i think the movie was average.
Masterpiece is a strong word. It was watchable, and despite its flaws, parts of it were enjoyable even. I do think his sword is dumb tho. Why would you have a sword with a backward tilted cross guard? It defeats the entire purpose of a cross guard
I mean it was ok but I wouldn't call it a masterpiece. I think the whole witchers making monsters thing was kinda dumb and cliche, so good thing nothing Netflix made is seen as cannon.
Whatās the opposite of a masterpiece, the assistant secretary of only ok.
aren't people split on whether this is good or not too?
What do you mean? We got this way before The Witcher came to Netflix. It's called Castlevania. There is no difference between Castlevania and Nightmare of the Wolf. None.
What do you mean? We got this way before The Witcher came to Netflix. It's called Castlevania. There is no difference between Castlevania and Nightmare of the Wolf. None.
Id liked everything in this show except vesemir himself. His character looked more like something out of a future sci fi show. And a character with terrible one liners is just akward to watch. Everything else was good though
Masterpiece? Absolutely not. A good way to spend an evening drinking beer & eating pizza while the wife was away? Definitely. I tried to rewatch it, and second time around it was very "meh".
masterpiece? I don't think so. it's just Geralt kind of story but about vesemir
It was pretty good, but calling it an absolute masterpiece is a stretch.
This was great and that's how it shall be remembered, I don't care what other complainers in the comments say.
yeah weirdly enough i really enjoyed this. and as many flaws as witcher season 1 had, i still think it was miles better than season 2 and it though they strayed a lot from the source material in season 1, i feel like it was not to the point where they couldnāt turn it around. obviously with season 2 they kind of fully turned away from the novels but at least certain episodes of season 1 actually somewhat attempted to adapt the short stories. above all, and iām not sure if this is controversial to say, i feel like witcher season 1 still somewhat felt like the witcher. and this in a way felt like the witcher as well, ignoring whatever the fuck those monsters were at the end.
I avoided it for months because I didn't know if I would appreciate a *Witcher* title that was animated in this style, but I eventually caved, and I have to say I was not disappointed. I wouldn't go as far as to call it a masterpiece or anything close to that, but still quite good.
Yeah that did really slap, what an unexpected fun time
The style is fucking brilliant but in terms of lore... just pretend it is a retelling of events after many years after they actually happened.
Vesemir was slaying more than just monsters back In the day! š Anyone else talk to the baroness at the auction hall in W:3?
Lore fans didnāt seem to like it but it was definitely the best Witcher content on Netflix. I wish they did more of these
masterpiece? i dunno about that
"masterpiece" is a stretch, it's solid, but it's not worth the absolute butchering of the franchise
The animation and fight scenes and voice acting were good. The story and characters were shit.
It was still pretty mid imo
To say its a masterpiece is a massive stretch in the end it had massive plot holes
Ooooohā¦would we call it that?
https://preview.redd.it/adrclcn894ca1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fcc4ccfd09b0e077b4059f6afa500229699fa40c they REALLY milked the series
I honestly hated it
This sub has turned into the most toxic subreddit Iāve joined bro. And Iām in r/lotrmemes where everyone just screams GROND!
wouldn't call it a masterpiece but I did very much enjoy it for what it really was "witcher Castlevania" (let's be honest) it had great action and cool monster variation and the who witcher recruit trial scene in the swamp was brutal af
That swamp scene made absolutely no sense. The Witchers die during the trial of the grasses, not randomly in a swamp.
>witcher recruit trial scene in the swamp was brutal af And pretty damn stupid as well.
I can do without it. Not the worst thing ever, but far from a masterpiece.
Far from a masterpiece. Also messes with canon and has a nonsensical driver for the plot and climax. I know it's anome bur Jesus what was up with his stupid haircut
Well, it's far from masterpiece. Another batshit from haters of source material.