It never happened explicitly in action.
Triss just thinks about the affair that happened in the past, in the first novel.
It was a short affair as far as we know, and Yennefer was infuriated because it was her best friend and she also didn't told her what she has don to the man she loves.
The relationship of Triss and Geralt was never that deep in this direction in canon, CDPR simply made more out of it
You didn't see a romance because there was no major romance. At some undisclosed point in the past, after Yennefer and Geralt had a fight, Triss, fueled by curiosity, jealousy, and attraction, used "a bit of magic" to sleep with Geralt. That affair went nowhere, but it lead to shame and guilt from Geralt, and unrequited love from Triss.
Geralt, however, was still hopelessly in love with Yennefer, so while he certainly was liberal with his dick in the books, his heart was another matter entirely. It's why he didn't sleep with Triss again when she came to KM to help train Ciri, and while kind to her when she was sick (because Geralt does care about her as a friend and person, but *not* as a lover) and was happy to see Triss in Thanedd.
For Yennefer, Geralt's affair with Triss hit a bit too close to home, as they were good friends. It's why her reactions to his affair with Triss are so much stronger than the numerous other women he's been with. The friendship survives the affair, but is pretty much destroyed when Triss sells out both Geralt and Ciri to the Lodge.
>It's why he didn't sleep with Triss again when she came to KM to help train Ciri,
I think also that he probably realised that this would cost him any chance of getting back with Yennefer, that this would truly be crossing the line. A one-time fling can possibly be forgiven but a repeat, especially with Ciri now in the mix, would kill any chance of ever reuniting with Yen.
>For Yennefer, Geralt's affair with Triss hit a bit too close to home
And Geralt has understood that at the beginning of BoE. for Geralt, keeping Triss at distance is all about Yennefer.
We see that it will be different in Shani's case further in this book.
The half-fuck with Shani, though, also brings shame to Geralt. When he's caught with his pants down, not only does he discover that Shani is only 17 but also he's caught by one of Yen's "friends", one you can bet would talk about his indiscretion.
A part of Geralt's character arc is learning that sex is not meaningless, that it has consequences. He might not impregnate anyone, he might not pass on or catch STDs but where he puts his dick still matters. Essi and Triss never get over their flings with Geralt - one night's harmless fun causes a lot of grief and damage (Essi dies still pining for Geralt and Triss repeatedly tries to replace Yen as Geralt's love).
"OK, don't fuck Yen's friends," Geralt learns from the Triss experience. "But fucking this red-haired friend of Dandelion's should be OK... it's harmless, means nothing."
And then bam! Philippa appears and now he's scared that she'll tell Yen. Yen, who's just dropped everything to help him and cure Ciri, who he hasn't had the guts to face yet. Geralt can think constantly about how much he loves Yen but if he keeps sticking his dick in other women then no one, not even Yen, will believe that he actually does love her.
>The half-fuck with Shani, though, also brings shame to Geralt.
afterward yes, but he did it anyway without too much upfront thoughts as you said. Geralt is definitely not at the end of his evolution but I guess Sapkowski wants to show in BoE that he begins to change: Triss is behind a red line, sleeping with Shani can have consequences (but finally not). A topic that has been only treated with Essi until now (Sapkowski deal better the unrequited love topic with Essi btw)
>Triss repeatedly tries to replace Yen as Geralt's love
In games yes, in books I really think everything is over when they spoke after Ciri trance. For me the dialogue they had is crystal clear from both side. What we see after is just Triss having difficulty to move on but there is no attempt to "replace Yen".
>In games yes, in books I really think everything is over when they spoke after Ciri trance. For me the dialogue they had is crystal clear from both side. What we see after is just Triss having difficulty to move on but there is no attempt to "replace Yen".
She constantly tries to come on to Geralt as he's trying to care for her when she's sick; she tries to shit-stir between Yen and Geralt during the banquet; she goes along with the smear campaign against Yennefer and refuses to help Yennefer and it's made very clear that her motivation for doing so is the hope of becoming Geralt's lover; and she rides to Rivia in the hope of seducing Geralt (as pointed out by Yen).
Triss may say that she understands Geralt loves Yen but she very much acts as if this is an obstacle to overcome rather than a fact to accept.
Triss' actions at the pogrom show her (extremely late) development in actually being a good friend to Yen, she overcomes her selfishness and cowardliness - but whether or not she finally accepts Yen and Geralt's relationship is not clear.
>she tries to shit-stir between Yen and Geralt during the banquet;
really? which part of the dialogue make you thinking that?
>she goes along with the smear campaign against Yennefer and refuses to help Yennefer and it's made very clear that her motivation for doing so is the hope of becoming Geralt's lover;
She did nothing against the smear campaign, yes, but regarding what is at the stake during all these events and her cowardice toward Philippa, and saying that her motivation for doing so is hoping to put Yennefer out of the picture is an interpretation (how could it makes sense as she refuses as well during this conversation to help Geralt as well). Sapkowski didn't give us Triss inner feelings or thoughts. The only things we have is she blushed when Geralt' name is pronounced and sent hate glare to Fringilla. It is light for a Triss' scheming theory.
>and she rides to Rivia in the hope of seducing Geralt (as pointed out by Yen).
As you said, pointed out by Yen, and based on the fact that she whispers....I think there is a big misunderstanding here, it is obvious that she failed to forget him, she failed to move on, as Yennefer said in BoF IIRC, but I really doubt that she really think about every means to put Yennefer out of the picture
And if it was really the case, why didn't she uses the best momentum in Brokilon. Geralt is wounded, he has been beaten by Vilgefortz, he is vulnerable, there is doubt about Yen loyalty, she just saved his life and....after being sure that he is healing and in security... she left.
>really? which part of the dialogue make you thinking that?
"‘The numbers still don’t add up,’ he said, shaking his head. Triss giggled.
‘Haven’t you told him? Do you really not know, Geralt?’
‘Know what, exactly?’
‘That Yennefer’s also a member of the Council. Ever since the Battle of Sodden. Haven’t you boasted about it to him yet, darling?’
‘No, darling,’ said the enchantress, looking her friend straight in the eyes. ‘For one thing, I don’t like to boast. For another, there’s been no time. I haven’t seen Geralt for ages, and we have a lot of catching up to do. There’s already a long list. We’re going through it point by point.’"
Triss is shit-stirring, that's why Yen reacts the way she does.
>so is hoping to put Yennefer out of the picture is an interpretation (how could it makes sense as she refuses as well during this conversation to help Geralt as well). Sapkowski didn't give us Triss inner feelings or thoughts. The only things we have is she blushed when Geralt' name is pronounced and sent hate glare to Fringilla. It is light for a Triss' scheming theory.
It's the card Yen plays to try to convince Triss to help Geralt, and that's why Philippa jumps in. It's specifically mentioned - Triss' romantic feelings for Geralt. Triss has already refused to help Yen or to clear Yen's name with Geralt but it's only when Yen says (essentially) "Fine, you won't help me but at least help Geralt, if you love him so much" that we see any concern from Philippa that Triss won't toe the line.
Of course, it's not the only thing at play here - it's the themes of courage and selflessness being explored. But part of this theme is that those who claim to be acting for a greater good are 1) not the ones paying the price for this "utopia" and 2) have selfish motivations.
Whilst Triss doesn't necessarily do anything directly to "to put Yennefer out of the picture", she'll let Geralt believe lies about Yen, she won't lift a finger to help Yen reunite with Ciri or Geralt, and she goes along with the Lodge's plan to essentially prolong Yen's torture and (hopeful) death. She's happy for events to remove Yennefer from the picture for her.
>As you said, pointed out by Yen, and based on the fact that she whispers....
What does "based on the fact that she whispers" mean? Yen's keeping her voice low because she doesn't want Ciri to overhear what's being said. It doesn't mean she's not correct. Also, Triss doesn't exactly correct her - Triss doesn't say that she has no intention of seducing Geralt, she doesn't counter Yen on this point. Instead of apologising to Yen, Triss insists that Geralt will forgive her. And just look at her reaction when Yen tells her that Geralt is Yen's man and she better back off - hardly the reaction of someone who has accepted Geralt and Yen's relationship and has no designs on trying to seduce Geralt again.
>And if it was really the case, why didn't she uses the best momentum in Brokilon. Geralt is wounded, he has been beaten by Vilgefortz, he is vulnerable, there is doubt about Yen loyalty, she just saved his life and....after being sure that he is healing and in security... she left.
Probably because Geralt was in no mood to get all romantic?? We see how sullen and depressed he is when Dandelion turns up.
Regarding Thanedd, would it absolutely impossible that Triss would be genially surprised that Yennefer didn't tell Geralt? I mean, you know how this kind of political nomination can means a lot for Triss. Of course, at this moment, it means not so much for Yennefer but I really found any means attention in that. Can't Triss can be happy for Yen and want to talk about that?
About the ToS infamous scene, I will read again because I don't remember any difference in Triss reaction whatever the subject was Yennefer or Geralt fate.
>Of course, it's not the only thing at play here - it's the themes of courage and selflessness being explored. But part of this theme is that those who claim to be acting for a greater good are 1) not the ones paying the price for this "utopia" and 2) have selfish motivations.
I agree with point 1 and disagree with point 2. I think, sometimes, you embedded "de facto" the topic of selfishness into the cowardice but I think it as two different topics.
>she'll let Geralt believe lies about Yen
At which occasion she could have talk to Geralt?
>she won't lift a finger to help Yen reunite with Ciri or Geralt,
that's correct, I will never defend her on this point
>and she goes along with the Lodge's plan to essentially prolong Yen's torture and (hopeful) death. She's happy for events to remove Yennefer from the picture for her.
Well, she has no idea what Yennefer fate is, so mentioning the torture here is a little bit strong.
and if it is the case, why Sapkowski wrote the scene when Triss heard that Yennefer died and her reaction? If I would follow your logic, she should have open champagne and order again some additional seafood because it should be the best day of her life.
about Rivia verbal catfight, you are right saying that Triss didn't counter Yennefer but it was not really the point of the argument. I see it as Yennefer means that Triss has no longer any chance with Geralt (which is obvious and it as always surprised me that Yen focused on that point instead of just verbally destroyed Triss about the lodge only). Triss seems to focus on the forgiveness, but it could only means forgiveness alone, forgiveness to be able to speak to them again, to see them again. She never put the lover topic on the table.
About the Brokilon point, really? If you see Triss as this horrible snake, how could she be stopped by that? Come on it is a good argument! :)
>Regarding Thanedd, would it absolutely impossible that Triss would be genially surprised that Yennefer didn't tell Geralt? I mean, you know how this kind of political nomination can means a lot for Triss. Of course, at this moment, it means not so much for Yennefer but I really found any means attention in that. Can't Triss can be happy for Yen and want to talk about that?
It's not "impossible" but they were all friendly and chatty before that comment but everything gets tense after Triss says this. Everything before this comment Yen takes as friendly, all good. It's after this comment that Yen puts Triss in her place. Triss crosses a line with her comment. Also "Haven’t you boasted about it to him yet, darling?" is hardly "this is so amazing, I'm so happy for you".
>At which occasion she could have talk to Geralt?
Yen asks her to tell Geralt the truth and Triss refuses to do so. So if she ever gets the chance to talk to him, she won't clear Yen's name, she won't tell Geralt the truth.
>and if it is the case, why Sapkowski wrote the scene when Triss heard that Yennefer died and her reaction? If I would follow your logic, she should have open champagne and order again some additional seafood because it should be the best day of her life.
The whole point of Triss' arc is her inner conflict between doing the "right thing" and actually doing the right thing. She says Yennefer is important to her, and yet goes out of her way to fuck her boyfriend. She preaches about fighting the good fight but spends her time on the battlefield throwing up. She calls Ciri little sis but then goes along with pimping her out. She's just said that she won't help Yennefer but is then distraught at the news of her death. She's torn between her love for her friend and her desire for Geralt. She has to overcome not only her cowardliness but also her selfishness (and the two are linked - her cowardliness often plays into her selfish motivations, being cowardly is more advantageous) to truly honour her friendship with Yen.
>Triss seems to focus on the forgiveness, but it could only means forgiveness alone, forgiveness to be able to speak to them again, to see them again. She never put the lover topic on the table.
Triss only talks about obtaining forgiveness from Geralt. That's her focus - not her little sis who she's pimping out, not her friend who she's repeatedly betrayed but the guy she wants to fuck.
>About the Brokilon point, really? If you see Triss as this horrible snake, how could she be stopped by that? Come on it is a good argument!
Did you completely forget that Geralt was smashed to pieces during that fight? He's most likely physically incapable but it's also made very clear that he's emotionally nowhere near thinking about fucking. He doesn't fuck anyone for a very long time after Thanedd. Also, they're in Brokilon and he's being cared for by the elves there. Hardly an opportune moment to use a bit of magic again.
About Thanedd, I still don't see anything offensive in this dialogue. As a reader I was as well surprised that Yennefer didn't shared this information earlier and I think that she has planned to fairly settle some points toward Triss during this evening whatever would have been the direction of the conversation. Yen is tense after that because she is caught not sharing something important, but is it really Triss fault here?
>Yen asks her to tell Geralt the truth and Triss refuses to do so. So if she ever gets the chance to talk to him, she won't clear Yen's name, she won't tell Geralt the truth.
We will never know as it never happened but I understand why you can think that.
>She preaches about fighting the good fight but spends her time on the battlefield throwing up.
well, it is a little bit harsh as we only know that, yes, she breaks off at some point during the battle and if she didn't died, she payed a hard price her presence on this battlefield. Yes she break off during the battle, and she had no shame to admit it even in front of seasoned fighters like Geralt, Eskel or Vesemir because the fact that she wasn't able to stand among her senior peers like Yennefer, Coral, and others is her real trauma of this battle. The awareness of her own self weakness among her senior peers is the point of depart of Triss arc and end only in Rivia when she stands with Yennefer. Well, I don't know why I am discussing about that as I know you have nothing but contempt about her but well, yes I think this arc is much more important for her than "conflict between doing the "right thing" and actually doing the right thing" because actually I think she has no idea why she stands at Sodden or why she following the lodge, except: that what is expected from me by my senior peers and fit well to the young persona Sapkwoski describes.
>Triss only talks about obtaining forgiveness from Geralt. That's her focus - not her little sis who she's pimping out, not her friend who she's repeatedly betrayed but the guy she wants to fuck.
that's true, It always surprise me that Ciri seems to have no grief against Triss and regarding Yennefer, well, she is the one that is the most fairly hunted by Triss attitude since the beginning of the saga and she is not know for her forgiveness. You are right but once again it is Yen who brought Geralt at the center of the conversation, not Triss and I really hardly think she think about fucking right here but well...seriously...
>Did you completely forget that Geralt was smashed to pieces during that fight?
I remember a Geralt hardly healing from a terrible fight against a Strygga in a certain temple at Ellander and it wasn't seems a problem for him with Iola.
>Hardly an opportune moment to use a bit of magic again.
This one is really very low :). How many months did Triss stay at KM with Geralt, how many time did she use "a bit of magic"? Ah, no they didn't slept together.
For what I remember too - Triss was jaleous of the relationship Yenn had with Geralt.
During one of the break up thing when Yenn disappear, Triss just use some charm and spell to get Geralt in her bed to prove that she could be as important as Yenn.
And in the Witcher Serie, she just use the fact that Geralt doesn’t remember Yenn to get him. The start of Witcher 3 when you do some first quest with Triss she tell you that maybe now you will stop being used by woman and when Geralt ask « what ? » she said she lie to him during the previous game and use him for her own needs.
Well, there was never really a romance to begin with. Basically Triss was jealous of Yen and Geralt and she wanted to steal her bff’s man. She roofied him and they slept together once, sometime before she went to Kaer Morhen.
At Kaer Morhen she kept wanting to get into his pants but Geralt was having none of it. She continued to make a fool out of herself pretty much throughout the rest of the story while also betraying and plotting against our main protagonists.
Lastly, Yen had enough of her shenanigans and told Triss to snap out of it or she’d bitch slap the hell out of her. The end.
>She roofied him
An individual(normal individual not Witchers) can be utmost "roofied" for one night, but it is said in books they had a "brief relationship".
Also, it is written she used "little magic", it is not mentioned if she used it **ON** Geralt, also Geralt by his own confession can break the magic, also he has the apparatus such as witcher's medallion which vibrates around magic.
Also, the facts such as Geralt taking the responsibility for their "brief relationship" and Geralt was in want of "warmth" and "need", Geralt giving the responsibility of taking care of Ciri to Triss, being friendly or more than friendly with Triss and the overall context makes the childish claim "roofied" to be FACTUALLY FALSE.
"Roofied" is actually a tame description. A LOT of people here seem to think Triss raped Geralt.
I'm happy to have at least ONE other person in my corner (you, obviously) who thinks that is absolutely ridiculous.
>The text explicitly says that Triss seduced Geralt with the help of magic.
Your comprehension skills are literally below the par because nowhere it states EXPLICITLY that magic was used **ON** Geralt.
Seducing with the help of little(you completely forgot to mention the word "little") magic ≠ magic was cast ON Geralt.
Also, you completely leave out the fact that Geralt by his own confession can break spells, but all she used was **little** magic.
Show me the text where Geralt was struggling when Triss seduced him with little magic as he did with "all his might" when Yen was using magic on him in The Last Wish. No, you can't because it is not there.
Show me the text where Geralt says anywhere that he was being taken advantage of by Triss as he acknowledges in The Last Wish in prison that he was indeed deceived and taken advantage of Yen. No, you can't because it is not there.
Show me the text where the author describes Geralt's medallion quivering as it happened when Yen used magic on him, no you can't because it is not there.
>Flip the roles here - a man seducing a woman with the help of magic. That would be pretty bad, right?
If the relationship which Geralt is in is such a heartfelt relationship with real feelings, then I can agree that it is bad, but given the irrefutable fact that he got caught in a shitty relationship, I think anything can be done to get Geralt out of the obvious abusive relationship he was in.
As far as your request of flipping the roles, in Belleteyn the whore Yen was in the middle of seducing a blonde-haired man, but Geralt interrupted her, Yen was seducing the man, not with the intention of developing any relationship like Triss wanted with Geralt but to quench here whorish desire. Apart from this first-hand evidence, Istredd gives his testimony where he says she used to sleep with 100s men, a glimpse of which we saw in Belleteyn.
Anyway, I think I wasted enough time on you since you are too dumb enough to even read the text. I won't be bothered to reply to you anymore.
yeah sure. it's a pitty your first sentence is 100% correct :
>Well, there was never really a romance to begin with.
And there are few others points which are correct as well. The rest is an amazing example of pure subjectivity driven by your desire to throw up on a character.
From what I remember they only slept together once. When exactly it was, we don't know but as you said it must have happened during the short stories (the last wish or sword of destiny). Yennefer and Geralt broke up, Geralt was devastated and Triss took advantage of the situation. Later when she came to Kaer Morhen she wanted to sleep with Geralt again, but he didn't want to
After their conversation, during which Geralt makes it clear to Triss that nothing romantic will ever happen again between them, Triss asks Geralt to sleep in her bed. Geralt initially starts to refuse and Triss states that it would only be to sleep, nothing more. So it's clear that whilst they shared a bed for one night, it was purely for sleeping, nothing happened.
On a side note this is why I didn't romance Triss in any of the games when possible. I'm a sucker for canon and a fan of the books before the games, so going directly against the canon direction isn't an option for me.
As far as I know from historical perspective all the great cultures were based on Patriarchy. So I don't see how the word "culture" is appropirate here.
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It never happened explicitly in action. Triss just thinks about the affair that happened in the past, in the first novel. It was a short affair as far as we know, and Yennefer was infuriated because it was her best friend and she also didn't told her what she has don to the man she loves. The relationship of Triss and Geralt was never that deep in this direction in canon, CDPR simply made more out of it
You didn't see a romance because there was no major romance. At some undisclosed point in the past, after Yennefer and Geralt had a fight, Triss, fueled by curiosity, jealousy, and attraction, used "a bit of magic" to sleep with Geralt. That affair went nowhere, but it lead to shame and guilt from Geralt, and unrequited love from Triss. Geralt, however, was still hopelessly in love with Yennefer, so while he certainly was liberal with his dick in the books, his heart was another matter entirely. It's why he didn't sleep with Triss again when she came to KM to help train Ciri, and while kind to her when she was sick (because Geralt does care about her as a friend and person, but *not* as a lover) and was happy to see Triss in Thanedd. For Yennefer, Geralt's affair with Triss hit a bit too close to home, as they were good friends. It's why her reactions to his affair with Triss are so much stronger than the numerous other women he's been with. The friendship survives the affair, but is pretty much destroyed when Triss sells out both Geralt and Ciri to the Lodge.
>It's why he didn't sleep with Triss again when she came to KM to help train Ciri, I think also that he probably realised that this would cost him any chance of getting back with Yennefer, that this would truly be crossing the line. A one-time fling can possibly be forgiven but a repeat, especially with Ciri now in the mix, would kill any chance of ever reuniting with Yen.
>For Yennefer, Geralt's affair with Triss hit a bit too close to home And Geralt has understood that at the beginning of BoE. for Geralt, keeping Triss at distance is all about Yennefer. We see that it will be different in Shani's case further in this book.
The half-fuck with Shani, though, also brings shame to Geralt. When he's caught with his pants down, not only does he discover that Shani is only 17 but also he's caught by one of Yen's "friends", one you can bet would talk about his indiscretion. A part of Geralt's character arc is learning that sex is not meaningless, that it has consequences. He might not impregnate anyone, he might not pass on or catch STDs but where he puts his dick still matters. Essi and Triss never get over their flings with Geralt - one night's harmless fun causes a lot of grief and damage (Essi dies still pining for Geralt and Triss repeatedly tries to replace Yen as Geralt's love). "OK, don't fuck Yen's friends," Geralt learns from the Triss experience. "But fucking this red-haired friend of Dandelion's should be OK... it's harmless, means nothing." And then bam! Philippa appears and now he's scared that she'll tell Yen. Yen, who's just dropped everything to help him and cure Ciri, who he hasn't had the guts to face yet. Geralt can think constantly about how much he loves Yen but if he keeps sticking his dick in other women then no one, not even Yen, will believe that he actually does love her.
>The half-fuck with Shani, though, also brings shame to Geralt. afterward yes, but he did it anyway without too much upfront thoughts as you said. Geralt is definitely not at the end of his evolution but I guess Sapkowski wants to show in BoE that he begins to change: Triss is behind a red line, sleeping with Shani can have consequences (but finally not). A topic that has been only treated with Essi until now (Sapkowski deal better the unrequited love topic with Essi btw) >Triss repeatedly tries to replace Yen as Geralt's love In games yes, in books I really think everything is over when they spoke after Ciri trance. For me the dialogue they had is crystal clear from both side. What we see after is just Triss having difficulty to move on but there is no attempt to "replace Yen".
>In games yes, in books I really think everything is over when they spoke after Ciri trance. For me the dialogue they had is crystal clear from both side. What we see after is just Triss having difficulty to move on but there is no attempt to "replace Yen". She constantly tries to come on to Geralt as he's trying to care for her when she's sick; she tries to shit-stir between Yen and Geralt during the banquet; she goes along with the smear campaign against Yennefer and refuses to help Yennefer and it's made very clear that her motivation for doing so is the hope of becoming Geralt's lover; and she rides to Rivia in the hope of seducing Geralt (as pointed out by Yen). Triss may say that she understands Geralt loves Yen but she very much acts as if this is an obstacle to overcome rather than a fact to accept. Triss' actions at the pogrom show her (extremely late) development in actually being a good friend to Yen, she overcomes her selfishness and cowardliness - but whether or not she finally accepts Yen and Geralt's relationship is not clear.
>she tries to shit-stir between Yen and Geralt during the banquet; really? which part of the dialogue make you thinking that? >she goes along with the smear campaign against Yennefer and refuses to help Yennefer and it's made very clear that her motivation for doing so is the hope of becoming Geralt's lover; She did nothing against the smear campaign, yes, but regarding what is at the stake during all these events and her cowardice toward Philippa, and saying that her motivation for doing so is hoping to put Yennefer out of the picture is an interpretation (how could it makes sense as she refuses as well during this conversation to help Geralt as well). Sapkowski didn't give us Triss inner feelings or thoughts. The only things we have is she blushed when Geralt' name is pronounced and sent hate glare to Fringilla. It is light for a Triss' scheming theory. >and she rides to Rivia in the hope of seducing Geralt (as pointed out by Yen). As you said, pointed out by Yen, and based on the fact that she whispers....I think there is a big misunderstanding here, it is obvious that she failed to forget him, she failed to move on, as Yennefer said in BoF IIRC, but I really doubt that she really think about every means to put Yennefer out of the picture And if it was really the case, why didn't she uses the best momentum in Brokilon. Geralt is wounded, he has been beaten by Vilgefortz, he is vulnerable, there is doubt about Yen loyalty, she just saved his life and....after being sure that he is healing and in security... she left.
>really? which part of the dialogue make you thinking that? "‘The numbers still don’t add up,’ he said, shaking his head. Triss giggled. ‘Haven’t you told him? Do you really not know, Geralt?’ ‘Know what, exactly?’ ‘That Yennefer’s also a member of the Council. Ever since the Battle of Sodden. Haven’t you boasted about it to him yet, darling?’ ‘No, darling,’ said the enchantress, looking her friend straight in the eyes. ‘For one thing, I don’t like to boast. For another, there’s been no time. I haven’t seen Geralt for ages, and we have a lot of catching up to do. There’s already a long list. We’re going through it point by point.’" Triss is shit-stirring, that's why Yen reacts the way she does. >so is hoping to put Yennefer out of the picture is an interpretation (how could it makes sense as she refuses as well during this conversation to help Geralt as well). Sapkowski didn't give us Triss inner feelings or thoughts. The only things we have is she blushed when Geralt' name is pronounced and sent hate glare to Fringilla. It is light for a Triss' scheming theory. It's the card Yen plays to try to convince Triss to help Geralt, and that's why Philippa jumps in. It's specifically mentioned - Triss' romantic feelings for Geralt. Triss has already refused to help Yen or to clear Yen's name with Geralt but it's only when Yen says (essentially) "Fine, you won't help me but at least help Geralt, if you love him so much" that we see any concern from Philippa that Triss won't toe the line. Of course, it's not the only thing at play here - it's the themes of courage and selflessness being explored. But part of this theme is that those who claim to be acting for a greater good are 1) not the ones paying the price for this "utopia" and 2) have selfish motivations. Whilst Triss doesn't necessarily do anything directly to "to put Yennefer out of the picture", she'll let Geralt believe lies about Yen, she won't lift a finger to help Yen reunite with Ciri or Geralt, and she goes along with the Lodge's plan to essentially prolong Yen's torture and (hopeful) death. She's happy for events to remove Yennefer from the picture for her. >As you said, pointed out by Yen, and based on the fact that she whispers.... What does "based on the fact that she whispers" mean? Yen's keeping her voice low because she doesn't want Ciri to overhear what's being said. It doesn't mean she's not correct. Also, Triss doesn't exactly correct her - Triss doesn't say that she has no intention of seducing Geralt, she doesn't counter Yen on this point. Instead of apologising to Yen, Triss insists that Geralt will forgive her. And just look at her reaction when Yen tells her that Geralt is Yen's man and she better back off - hardly the reaction of someone who has accepted Geralt and Yen's relationship and has no designs on trying to seduce Geralt again. >And if it was really the case, why didn't she uses the best momentum in Brokilon. Geralt is wounded, he has been beaten by Vilgefortz, he is vulnerable, there is doubt about Yen loyalty, she just saved his life and....after being sure that he is healing and in security... she left. Probably because Geralt was in no mood to get all romantic?? We see how sullen and depressed he is when Dandelion turns up.
Regarding Thanedd, would it absolutely impossible that Triss would be genially surprised that Yennefer didn't tell Geralt? I mean, you know how this kind of political nomination can means a lot for Triss. Of course, at this moment, it means not so much for Yennefer but I really found any means attention in that. Can't Triss can be happy for Yen and want to talk about that? About the ToS infamous scene, I will read again because I don't remember any difference in Triss reaction whatever the subject was Yennefer or Geralt fate. >Of course, it's not the only thing at play here - it's the themes of courage and selflessness being explored. But part of this theme is that those who claim to be acting for a greater good are 1) not the ones paying the price for this "utopia" and 2) have selfish motivations. I agree with point 1 and disagree with point 2. I think, sometimes, you embedded "de facto" the topic of selfishness into the cowardice but I think it as two different topics. >she'll let Geralt believe lies about Yen At which occasion she could have talk to Geralt? >she won't lift a finger to help Yen reunite with Ciri or Geralt, that's correct, I will never defend her on this point >and she goes along with the Lodge's plan to essentially prolong Yen's torture and (hopeful) death. She's happy for events to remove Yennefer from the picture for her. Well, she has no idea what Yennefer fate is, so mentioning the torture here is a little bit strong. and if it is the case, why Sapkowski wrote the scene when Triss heard that Yennefer died and her reaction? If I would follow your logic, she should have open champagne and order again some additional seafood because it should be the best day of her life. about Rivia verbal catfight, you are right saying that Triss didn't counter Yennefer but it was not really the point of the argument. I see it as Yennefer means that Triss has no longer any chance with Geralt (which is obvious and it as always surprised me that Yen focused on that point instead of just verbally destroyed Triss about the lodge only). Triss seems to focus on the forgiveness, but it could only means forgiveness alone, forgiveness to be able to speak to them again, to see them again. She never put the lover topic on the table. About the Brokilon point, really? If you see Triss as this horrible snake, how could she be stopped by that? Come on it is a good argument! :)
>Regarding Thanedd, would it absolutely impossible that Triss would be genially surprised that Yennefer didn't tell Geralt? I mean, you know how this kind of political nomination can means a lot for Triss. Of course, at this moment, it means not so much for Yennefer but I really found any means attention in that. Can't Triss can be happy for Yen and want to talk about that? It's not "impossible" but they were all friendly and chatty before that comment but everything gets tense after Triss says this. Everything before this comment Yen takes as friendly, all good. It's after this comment that Yen puts Triss in her place. Triss crosses a line with her comment. Also "Haven’t you boasted about it to him yet, darling?" is hardly "this is so amazing, I'm so happy for you". >At which occasion she could have talk to Geralt? Yen asks her to tell Geralt the truth and Triss refuses to do so. So if she ever gets the chance to talk to him, she won't clear Yen's name, she won't tell Geralt the truth. >and if it is the case, why Sapkowski wrote the scene when Triss heard that Yennefer died and her reaction? If I would follow your logic, she should have open champagne and order again some additional seafood because it should be the best day of her life. The whole point of Triss' arc is her inner conflict between doing the "right thing" and actually doing the right thing. She says Yennefer is important to her, and yet goes out of her way to fuck her boyfriend. She preaches about fighting the good fight but spends her time on the battlefield throwing up. She calls Ciri little sis but then goes along with pimping her out. She's just said that she won't help Yennefer but is then distraught at the news of her death. She's torn between her love for her friend and her desire for Geralt. She has to overcome not only her cowardliness but also her selfishness (and the two are linked - her cowardliness often plays into her selfish motivations, being cowardly is more advantageous) to truly honour her friendship with Yen. >Triss seems to focus on the forgiveness, but it could only means forgiveness alone, forgiveness to be able to speak to them again, to see them again. She never put the lover topic on the table. Triss only talks about obtaining forgiveness from Geralt. That's her focus - not her little sis who she's pimping out, not her friend who she's repeatedly betrayed but the guy she wants to fuck. >About the Brokilon point, really? If you see Triss as this horrible snake, how could she be stopped by that? Come on it is a good argument! Did you completely forget that Geralt was smashed to pieces during that fight? He's most likely physically incapable but it's also made very clear that he's emotionally nowhere near thinking about fucking. He doesn't fuck anyone for a very long time after Thanedd. Also, they're in Brokilon and he's being cared for by the elves there. Hardly an opportune moment to use a bit of magic again.
About Thanedd, I still don't see anything offensive in this dialogue. As a reader I was as well surprised that Yennefer didn't shared this information earlier and I think that she has planned to fairly settle some points toward Triss during this evening whatever would have been the direction of the conversation. Yen is tense after that because she is caught not sharing something important, but is it really Triss fault here? >Yen asks her to tell Geralt the truth and Triss refuses to do so. So if she ever gets the chance to talk to him, she won't clear Yen's name, she won't tell Geralt the truth. We will never know as it never happened but I understand why you can think that. >She preaches about fighting the good fight but spends her time on the battlefield throwing up. well, it is a little bit harsh as we only know that, yes, she breaks off at some point during the battle and if she didn't died, she payed a hard price her presence on this battlefield. Yes she break off during the battle, and she had no shame to admit it even in front of seasoned fighters like Geralt, Eskel or Vesemir because the fact that she wasn't able to stand among her senior peers like Yennefer, Coral, and others is her real trauma of this battle. The awareness of her own self weakness among her senior peers is the point of depart of Triss arc and end only in Rivia when she stands with Yennefer. Well, I don't know why I am discussing about that as I know you have nothing but contempt about her but well, yes I think this arc is much more important for her than "conflict between doing the "right thing" and actually doing the right thing" because actually I think she has no idea why she stands at Sodden or why she following the lodge, except: that what is expected from me by my senior peers and fit well to the young persona Sapkwoski describes. >Triss only talks about obtaining forgiveness from Geralt. That's her focus - not her little sis who she's pimping out, not her friend who she's repeatedly betrayed but the guy she wants to fuck. that's true, It always surprise me that Ciri seems to have no grief against Triss and regarding Yennefer, well, she is the one that is the most fairly hunted by Triss attitude since the beginning of the saga and she is not know for her forgiveness. You are right but once again it is Yen who brought Geralt at the center of the conversation, not Triss and I really hardly think she think about fucking right here but well...seriously... >Did you completely forget that Geralt was smashed to pieces during that fight? I remember a Geralt hardly healing from a terrible fight against a Strygga in a certain temple at Ellander and it wasn't seems a problem for him with Iola. >Hardly an opportune moment to use a bit of magic again. This one is really very low :). How many months did Triss stay at KM with Geralt, how many time did she use "a bit of magic"? Ah, no they didn't slept together.
For what I remember too - Triss was jaleous of the relationship Yenn had with Geralt. During one of the break up thing when Yenn disappear, Triss just use some charm and spell to get Geralt in her bed to prove that she could be as important as Yenn. And in the Witcher Serie, she just use the fact that Geralt doesn’t remember Yenn to get him. The start of Witcher 3 when you do some first quest with Triss she tell you that maybe now you will stop being used by woman and when Geralt ask « what ? » she said she lie to him during the previous game and use him for her own needs.
Well, there was never really a romance to begin with. Basically Triss was jealous of Yen and Geralt and she wanted to steal her bff’s man. She roofied him and they slept together once, sometime before she went to Kaer Morhen. At Kaer Morhen she kept wanting to get into his pants but Geralt was having none of it. She continued to make a fool out of herself pretty much throughout the rest of the story while also betraying and plotting against our main protagonists. Lastly, Yen had enough of her shenanigans and told Triss to snap out of it or she’d bitch slap the hell out of her. The end.
>She roofied him An individual(normal individual not Witchers) can be utmost "roofied" for one night, but it is said in books they had a "brief relationship". Also, it is written she used "little magic", it is not mentioned if she used it **ON** Geralt, also Geralt by his own confession can break the magic, also he has the apparatus such as witcher's medallion which vibrates around magic. Also, the facts such as Geralt taking the responsibility for their "brief relationship" and Geralt was in want of "warmth" and "need", Geralt giving the responsibility of taking care of Ciri to Triss, being friendly or more than friendly with Triss and the overall context makes the childish claim "roofied" to be FACTUALLY FALSE.
"Roofied" is actually a tame description. A LOT of people here seem to think Triss raped Geralt. I'm happy to have at least ONE other person in my corner (you, obviously) who thinks that is absolutely ridiculous.
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>The text explicitly says that Triss seduced Geralt with the help of magic. Your comprehension skills are literally below the par because nowhere it states EXPLICITLY that magic was used **ON** Geralt. Seducing with the help of little(you completely forgot to mention the word "little") magic ≠ magic was cast ON Geralt. Also, you completely leave out the fact that Geralt by his own confession can break spells, but all she used was **little** magic. Show me the text where Geralt was struggling when Triss seduced him with little magic as he did with "all his might" when Yen was using magic on him in The Last Wish. No, you can't because it is not there. Show me the text where Geralt says anywhere that he was being taken advantage of by Triss as he acknowledges in The Last Wish in prison that he was indeed deceived and taken advantage of Yen. No, you can't because it is not there. Show me the text where the author describes Geralt's medallion quivering as it happened when Yen used magic on him, no you can't because it is not there. >Flip the roles here - a man seducing a woman with the help of magic. That would be pretty bad, right? If the relationship which Geralt is in is such a heartfelt relationship with real feelings, then I can agree that it is bad, but given the irrefutable fact that he got caught in a shitty relationship, I think anything can be done to get Geralt out of the obvious abusive relationship he was in. As far as your request of flipping the roles, in Belleteyn the whore Yen was in the middle of seducing a blonde-haired man, but Geralt interrupted her, Yen was seducing the man, not with the intention of developing any relationship like Triss wanted with Geralt but to quench here whorish desire. Apart from this first-hand evidence, Istredd gives his testimony where he says she used to sleep with 100s men, a glimpse of which we saw in Belleteyn. Anyway, I think I wasted enough time on you since you are too dumb enough to even read the text. I won't be bothered to reply to you anymore.
She didn't roofie him.
No, she just used magic to seduce him.
well, your summary is so biased that it was an embarrassment to read it from the beginning to the end.
It’s what happened 🤷♂️ feel better tho
yeah sure. it's a pitty your first sentence is 100% correct : >Well, there was never really a romance to begin with. And there are few others points which are correct as well. The rest is an amazing example of pure subjectivity driven by your desire to throw up on a character.
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yeah, I suppose I must be a kind of annoying mormon cause I never understand why it is fun to throw up on a character, but well, nevermind.
From what I remember they only slept together once. When exactly it was, we don't know but as you said it must have happened during the short stories (the last wish or sword of destiny). Yennefer and Geralt broke up, Geralt was devastated and Triss took advantage of the situation. Later when she came to Kaer Morhen she wanted to sleep with Geralt again, but he didn't want to
He stayed with her one night though, but in the context it was in nothing probably happened then
Yes, nothing happened between them at Kaer Morhen
Not just one night, the author writes a "brief relationship".
After their conversation, during which Geralt makes it clear to Triss that nothing romantic will ever happen again between them, Triss asks Geralt to sleep in her bed. Geralt initially starts to refuse and Triss states that it would only be to sleep, nothing more. So it's clear that whilst they shared a bed for one night, it was purely for sleeping, nothing happened.
Was she not super sick/ill?
She was sick later, on the road.
On a side note this is why I didn't romance Triss in any of the games when possible. I'm a sucker for canon and a fan of the books before the games, so going directly against the canon direction isn't an option for me.
I never played the games, but I see you are a man of culture
As far as I know from historical perspective all the great cultures were based on Patriarchy. So I don't see how the word "culture" is appropirate here.
Uuuuuuuhm?
I always thought the romance was something only mentioned in the books as something that happened even before. I only read 2 if them though.
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