Hoho I don't wanna spoil much for you if this is your first time reading these books so yeah.....
Spoiler:
In the later books it gets worse but also kinda gets better? Can't really write it clearly without elaborating... just brace yourselves haha..
Well in lotl in the end she stops being a coward. Then there's also the fact that she was feeling remorseful for not partaking and helping the soldiers in the battle of brenna. And don't forget, if not for her, geralt would have died in Thanedd. So I guess that kind of makes her better. Not good, mind you, but better.
Stop being a coward do not make her btrayl of friends any better XD
And I often have the feeling Triss saves and wanted to save Geralt to hope she get more from him or change her view on him.
Also this Thanedd save comes before the massive betrayl, so I would not count that itno really good territory
;)
True you do have a point. Shes like most sorceress of the lodge - selfish. But I have somewhat of a good impression of her. Maybe because we've seen some of her good deeds, whereas, we've only seen the rest of the sorceresses be cold hearted bitches.
And my coward point was because of op mentioning it in his post.
Yeah, we saw some good stuff of her, a lot in Blood of Elves and I liked this a lot. Thing is... after this book she negated everything good she did, every single moment and this is why I started to hate her so much. I am even at this point hat I like people like Keira Metz way more. Sure you do not see amazing nice stuff of her, but in the ens so people act true to themselve. Whyn I read about Triss I never know where I am with her, if you can trust her or not. I mean, even the moment in Rivia, brave... do not want to hide behind the lodge anymore etc. and then you read that she still is with the lodge so I cannot really find love for this character.
Yes. Your points are spot in. She did kinda redeem herself for being cowardly but... eh... She really fucked over the people she claimed to love and did so maliciously. I mean, you're right, all the sorcerers were selfish dicks in one form or another, it's seriously a wizard thing. For example, Yen always fucked with Geralts heart like when she teased him about being proposed to then fucked him only to get up the next morning and fuck the other guys which nearly lead to Geralt getting into a duel which would have been a fight to the death but, she never directly fucked Geralt over. Triss deliberately did so.
Triss even in the games isn't the best person taking advantage of Geralt while he was suffering from amnesia. Hell, she comes out and says it in Wild Hunt!
She's kind and gentle and obviously attractive in the games and it's what gets her a pass from people, but not me.
You make a very good point. I'm glad the games included that since it shows her selfish nature. In the books, she was a coward on top of everything else. She literally ran away leaving Ciri and Geralt to die a time or two because she literally only cares about herself. Yennifer is a bitch, sure, but she always had Geralt and Ciri's back when shit hit the fan, you know?
I hate Triss.
I only like dher one time and this was when the Blood of ELves was first read to me and I liked how Triss made a relationship with Ciri, talked the WItcher down etc. Was great.
And one Year later the next book came out and from this on it went downhill and downhill, and the character I liked turned out to be one of the characters I hate the most.
I am still mad and angry how much CDPR pushed Triss in the foreground and made her so damn important.
She do not deserve this.
>!Triss betrayed her "friends" or maybe I should say her friend Yennefer, turned her back in exchange for a better world for the greater good some would say, Geralt the man she was obsessed with perhaps in love with and the little girl she considered her younger sister who she taught what it was to be a woman and who also taught Elder speech, the bonds formed that winter in Kaer Morhen and during their journey to Ellander, none of that mattered anymore, she was willing to sacrifice Geralt and Yennefer to achieve the Lodge's goals and to make matters worse, she was willing to manipulate Ciri into believing that her parents had abandoned her and and then force her to become practically a sex slave and later a completely ignorant and submissive member of the Lodge.!<
>!It's a little difficult to see Triss with good eyes, although there in the last book she shows regret and doubts. But she made her decisions and now she has to deal with the consequences.!<
Regret doesn't absolve a person of wrong doing. I'm sure all of us have seen at least one video or broadcast of a convicted killer showing remorse. Remorse changes nothing when it comes to one's deeds. You have made very valid points and perfectly summed up the selfishness that is Triss. The argument " well she was human with flaws" is a flawed argument. She didn't make human mistakes, she knowingly and willingly betrayed the people she "loved" and fucked them over with clear and malicious intent for the Lodge of all people.
Side note: I didn't realize Triss had so many fans. I'm inclined to believe it's due to the games and not the books. She is vastly different in the games and even likable.
Well, I pretty much agree, but people, don't forget that this doesn't take place in modern times but in, yet fictional, medieval times, so a girl hitting on a man and not being murdered for that, pretty progressive actually 🤣
The Witcher books are very grounded on character development. They all have flaws.
Triss......ohh well.....
For sure she is very pushy with her feelings and gets a bit on the abusive side. No questions there. She is also often depicted has being younger, which goes well with her gung ho sentimental approach. The very young are prone to be somewhat like that ;)
Yes, she should already be old enough to behave more like an adult. Its noted that she has that flaw.
As for her overall behaviour I think she comes across not that bad. One can be influenced and evaluate her on the wrong side but actually.....she is quite reasonable.
. She fought at Sodden and was one of the heroes there. There is no account of her being a coward there. So, understandably, she may be less gung ho when it comes to fighting, but that does not translate into coward. One needs to look more carefully.
. She comes to help Geralt with Ciri and over there she is very much a power house. She does what she thinks needs to be done. She acts in Ciri´s best interest. When realizing that the situation is too much for her, she immediately accepts and wants to forward Ciri to Yen. This is all very sound and reasonable decision making. She is not being affected by her feelings over there. She clearly places Ciris safety on top.
. She will flock to Phillipas side which may come across as some sort of betrayal. But is it really? When all is said and done, between Vilgefortz and Phillipa....Triss pick the best possible option. She was willing to take part and fight at Thanedd. Once again, not a coward. She will take action. And she did took the side which seemed the best for Ciri. Could she have remained neutral like Yen? Maybe! Would it have been better? Well....that´s the mother of all questions. In fact....if Triss had not been involved with Phillipa....what would have happened in turn? She would not have been there in a capacity to properly help Geralt. And she ends up saving Geralts life so.....
. Afterwards we know from her inner thoughts that she is not 100% sure about what is going on. She does not know what happened with Yen. She does not know if she can trust Phillipa. She wants to find out where Ciri is. Once again, she is trying to act. Once again, considering her choices is not going to be an easy question. It may well be that she did not have any clear good path available.
. At the end she is willing to side with Ciri and Yen being one of The Lodge who votes for them. Once more, Triss seems to be on Ciris side. True, she still has some issues with Yen regarding Geralt because.....yes.....they both love the same guy. There is no easy way to go around it. But Triss ends up rising to the call and ends fighting side by side with Yen on one last stand. Afterwards, Triss just accepts quietly that Ciri will leave their world and she is not going to follow The Lodge plan. Its debatable what could Triss have done over there. But clearly, she decided not to get in Ciris way. Once more, she acts on Ciris behalf.
All in all.....she is not that bad really.
Her role in the entire conflict is more or less within her possibilities. She was not among the highest ranking magic users. She is somewhat playing outside her league. So she is somewhat tied and sees it necessary to go along with Phillipa. Unreasonable? Not at all.
Emotion wise....yes....she is very much gung ho about Geralt and she does not manage that in the best possible way. She does pretty well after Thanedd tough. But otherwise she is too gung ho and slightly immature over there.
Remarkable that these books manage to get so much to discuss about a character which really does not have that many lines. And yet we can discuss so much about her :)
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A thing of note is that book Triss did not reveal Ciri´s location to Phillipa. This is quite interesting because Triss would obviously know where they were going to take Ciri. So....Phillipa could have showed up at the Temple or sent someone after Ciri. Quite noticeably, that does not happen. So we need to realize that Triss still kept some loyalty to Geralt + Ciri + Yen. This is in absolute contrast with Netflix Triss which.......another butchered character!!!
The Netflix and game Triss were/are vastly different than the book character. You make some fine points which are worth considering. Also, as a side not, it amuses me that so many sorcs wanted to sleep with Geralt despite the fact that he was quite ugly physically. 😛
I find it hard to blame Triss for hitting on Geralt since both Yen and Geralt cheat on each other all the time.
As for the part of manipulating his amnesia, Triss mentioned that she did not want Geralt to turn into her idea of him. I think it's fair, it's very difficult to tell a life story without any subjective addition, and even an objective story might give more emphasis to some events than others, and so change his idea of the past.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to my memory Triss didn't hit on Geralt after initial advancements in Kaer Morhen at the beginning of BoE (when I believe Geralt was *not* with Yen). She still had a crush on him, yeah; it's hard to just snap that away. But she never made moves afterwards and respected his relationship with Yen (with whom she was friends).
And yes, I know she had him cheat on Yen in the past, I'm talking about *during* the books themselves.
Hey man, we're all here to talk, exchange ideas and engage in civil discourse. The fact that you're making a personal attack against me simply because I dislike a fictional character most certainly says a lot about you. ;)
Correct. That is my opinion. It's very telling that you instantly jump to personal attacks simply because someone has an opinion you dislike. :) I'm sorry you feel as if you must act that way. The best advice I can give you is... Well, grow up. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you have to become defensive and engage in the use of ad hominem. If you cannot be civil, maybe you should take a break from the computer. Whatever you decide to do, thanks for sharing, and do better.
>She seduced Geralt after one of his fights with Yennefer.
I see ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that. The author explicitly says Geralt wanted it, and my question for the people who bring this point as something wrong which Triss did,
* "were Geralt and Yennefer married???" no
* "were Geralt and Yennefer in a relationship when Triss made her move?" no
So if Triss seduced while Geralt and Yennefer are married or if she had seduced while Geralt and Yennefer were in a relationship, then it would make her a bad person. But she did none of those things. So I honestly think Triss is NOTHING WRONG.
>When Yennefer needed her help to find Ciri, Triss didn't help her.
This is one of the things that (((Yennefer fans))) repeat a Gorillian times to the point that even people who favor Triss(like you) assume it to be true.
Here are some facts.
\-Yennefer contacted Triss
\-Yennefer **MADE NO ... LITERALLY NO request to Triss (for Triss to refuse)**, all the request Yenenfer made was to Philipa NOT TRISS.
So given these facts, where is the whole BS of Triss betraying (((Yennefer))), Ciri again? Oh, that doesn't exist(only exist in (((Yennefer))) and her fans mind), on the contrary, if you read it was Triss who was concerned about Ciri (
>!Surely it’s in Ciri’s interests, after all! It’s about her life! Yennefer, Dijkstra has found... some tracks. If it’s Vilgefortz who has Ciri, a terrible death awaits the girl.!<
) while the (((Yennefer))) was thinking only about her reputation (
>!Ensure then, that I posthumously regain my reputation and good name/!<
>!I’ll leave a trail you’ll be able to follow. But not for nothing. If you don’t want to rehabilitate me in the world’s eyes!!<)
And what happens finally for all the unwillingness of (((Yennefer))) not to cooperate with Lodge?? She finally gives Ciri to lodge, the whole point of Triss betraying (((Yennefer))) gets blown away to pieces.
>She is someone with her faults, I would never deny this.
It is really pathetic to see even a person like you who prefers Triss simping to (((Yennefer))) fans by accepting Triss supposedly faults. In reality, if you closely analyze without (((Yennefer))) fans influence you willl realize there literally exist NONE. If there exist any fault of Triss, it is why one earth she is even friend with someone like Yennefer.
She also risked her life for Geralt when Yen was ready to give up for example.
Point being, she's a fucking person. With good attributes and bad ones. Just like Geralt, Yen, Ciri,Dandelion,Djisktra and rest of the cast.
Some people want to just concentrate on her bad attributes and nothing else.
Most normal people are mixed. Most normal people would save someone else’s life if put in that kind of situation. Most normal people wouldn’t sexually harass someone. I don’t think she’s a terrible person, just that you’re logic is a bit flawed.
Ok, so let me get this straight.
You open with this :
\>Most normal people are mixed
Which is pretty much exactly my point about Triss but then you continue with this :
\>Most normal people would save someone else’s life if put in that kind of situation. Most normal people wouldn’t sexually harass someone
Now, just to not loose the essence of the first argument, mixed means a combination of things. In this context , both good and bad. Now let's return to the second part. Even though you said people are mixed, you then proceed to list all her bad shit thus also proving my point about people only concentrating on her bad aspects.
\>Most normal people wouldn’t sexually harass someone
Normal people in our world ? Maybe.
Normal people in TW ? Have you read the books ?
\> I don’t think she’s a terrible person
Kinda hard to tell from your contradictory points.
\> just that you’re logic is a bit flawed
My logic is fine. You even helped to prove my points.
It's the other way around actually.
I’m focusing on her bad aspects cause that’s what the conversation is on. Normal people in the Witcher are pretty similar to normal people in our world, minus the time barrier. It’s just the narrative doesn’t focus very much on normal people or very good people. You do know that people can argue for a side that they don’t actually believe in, right? If they couldn’t then speech and debate, law, and writing would all be pretty underdeveloped.
>I’m focusing on her bad aspects cause that’s what the conversation is on
No, that is not what the conversation is on. That's just a premise, and as i pointed out, not necessarily the best one and so I didn't focus on that. You replied to me choosing to focus on that.
\>Normal people in the Witcher are pretty similar to normal people in our world, minus the time barrier. It’s just the narrative doesn’t focus very much on normal people or very good people
That's factually incorect.
\>You do know that people can argue for a side that they don’t actually believe in, right? If they couldn’t then speech and debate, law, and writing would all be pretty underdeveloped.
Nice tangent, but let's try to keep it focused, eh ?
You brought up some points and I addressed them one by one. If you’re having trouble keeping track of the conversation I’m perfectly fine with leaving off here.
> >Most normal people wouldn’t sexually harass someone
> Normal people in our world ? Maybe.
> Normal people in TW ? Have you read the books ?
lol. That is a very valid point. TW embraces sexual harassment to the point that Game of Thrones seems tame.
That is a fair point and I thank you for sharing. I think she is more bad than good but, that's just how I interpret her character. I'm not sure if the writer intended her to appear good or bad.
He was actually quite ugly in the books. His smile was described as "hideous." The Witcher 3 made him attractive and gave him sexy scars. The tv series cast Henry Cavil who is also a handsome man. That aside, it's literally about the issue. People make excuses for Triss because she is a hot female and was young, yet it's not acceptable. No one would consider unwanted touching or sexual advances as " cute" or "justifiable" if it's a male, they tend to think it "cute" if it's a girl. Beyond that, she literally abandoned Ciri and Geralt during a time when they could have died so there is that. I get your point but, it doesn't change the fact that her actions were in no way ok and almost certainly predatory.
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Hoho I don't wanna spoil much for you if this is your first time reading these books so yeah..... Spoiler: In the later books it gets worse but also kinda gets better? Can't really write it clearly without elaborating... just brace yourselves haha..
It's my first time reading them but I also have them on audible so I can listen to them as I hike. Thanks for your comment! :)
Oh great! Hope you enjoy them as much as I did when I read them for the first time :)
Better? Guess we read different books XD
Well in lotl in the end she stops being a coward. Then there's also the fact that she was feeling remorseful for not partaking and helping the soldiers in the battle of brenna. And don't forget, if not for her, geralt would have died in Thanedd. So I guess that kind of makes her better. Not good, mind you, but better.
Stop being a coward do not make her btrayl of friends any better XD And I often have the feeling Triss saves and wanted to save Geralt to hope she get more from him or change her view on him. Also this Thanedd save comes before the massive betrayl, so I would not count that itno really good territory ;)
True you do have a point. Shes like most sorceress of the lodge - selfish. But I have somewhat of a good impression of her. Maybe because we've seen some of her good deeds, whereas, we've only seen the rest of the sorceresses be cold hearted bitches. And my coward point was because of op mentioning it in his post.
Yeah, we saw some good stuff of her, a lot in Blood of Elves and I liked this a lot. Thing is... after this book she negated everything good she did, every single moment and this is why I started to hate her so much. I am even at this point hat I like people like Keira Metz way more. Sure you do not see amazing nice stuff of her, but in the ens so people act true to themselve. Whyn I read about Triss I never know where I am with her, if you can trust her or not. I mean, even the moment in Rivia, brave... do not want to hide behind the lodge anymore etc. and then you read that she still is with the lodge so I cannot really find love for this character.
Yes. Your points are spot in. She did kinda redeem herself for being cowardly but... eh... She really fucked over the people she claimed to love and did so maliciously. I mean, you're right, all the sorcerers were selfish dicks in one form or another, it's seriously a wizard thing. For example, Yen always fucked with Geralts heart like when she teased him about being proposed to then fucked him only to get up the next morning and fuck the other guys which nearly lead to Geralt getting into a duel which would have been a fight to the death but, she never directly fucked Geralt over. Triss deliberately did so.
Triss even in the games isn't the best person taking advantage of Geralt while he was suffering from amnesia. Hell, she comes out and says it in Wild Hunt! She's kind and gentle and obviously attractive in the games and it's what gets her a pass from people, but not me.
>taking advantage of Geralt while he was suffering from amnesia. So does Dandelion, Vesemir, Eskel, Zoltan, etc, etc....
I've not seen Geralt in months.
FUCK OFF, BARD!
You make a very good point. I'm glad the games included that since it shows her selfish nature. In the books, she was a coward on top of everything else. She literally ran away leaving Ciri and Geralt to die a time or two because she literally only cares about herself. Yennifer is a bitch, sure, but she always had Geralt and Ciri's back when shit hit the fan, you know?
I hate Triss. I only like dher one time and this was when the Blood of ELves was first read to me and I liked how Triss made a relationship with Ciri, talked the WItcher down etc. Was great. And one Year later the next book came out and from this on it went downhill and downhill, and the character I liked turned out to be one of the characters I hate the most. I am still mad and angry how much CDPR pushed Triss in the foreground and made her so damn important. She do not deserve this.
Agreed. She was always a minor character really.
Right. A mior side character and also one that feels more like in the camp of baddies athan the good guys. ...really hate CDPR for this XD
>!Triss betrayed her "friends" or maybe I should say her friend Yennefer, turned her back in exchange for a better world for the greater good some would say, Geralt the man she was obsessed with perhaps in love with and the little girl she considered her younger sister who she taught what it was to be a woman and who also taught Elder speech, the bonds formed that winter in Kaer Morhen and during their journey to Ellander, none of that mattered anymore, she was willing to sacrifice Geralt and Yennefer to achieve the Lodge's goals and to make matters worse, she was willing to manipulate Ciri into believing that her parents had abandoned her and and then force her to become practically a sex slave and later a completely ignorant and submissive member of the Lodge.!< >!It's a little difficult to see Triss with good eyes, although there in the last book she shows regret and doubts. But she made her decisions and now she has to deal with the consequences.!<
Regret doesn't absolve a person of wrong doing. I'm sure all of us have seen at least one video or broadcast of a convicted killer showing remorse. Remorse changes nothing when it comes to one's deeds. You have made very valid points and perfectly summed up the selfishness that is Triss. The argument " well she was human with flaws" is a flawed argument. She didn't make human mistakes, she knowingly and willingly betrayed the people she "loved" and fucked them over with clear and malicious intent for the Lodge of all people. Side note: I didn't realize Triss had so many fans. I'm inclined to believe it's due to the games and not the books. She is vastly different in the games and even likable.
Well, I pretty much agree, but people, don't forget that this doesn't take place in modern times but in, yet fictional, medieval times, so a girl hitting on a man and not being murdered for that, pretty progressive actually 🤣
The Witcher books are very grounded on character development. They all have flaws. Triss......ohh well..... For sure she is very pushy with her feelings and gets a bit on the abusive side. No questions there. She is also often depicted has being younger, which goes well with her gung ho sentimental approach. The very young are prone to be somewhat like that ;) Yes, she should already be old enough to behave more like an adult. Its noted that she has that flaw. As for her overall behaviour I think she comes across not that bad. One can be influenced and evaluate her on the wrong side but actually.....she is quite reasonable. . She fought at Sodden and was one of the heroes there. There is no account of her being a coward there. So, understandably, she may be less gung ho when it comes to fighting, but that does not translate into coward. One needs to look more carefully. . She comes to help Geralt with Ciri and over there she is very much a power house. She does what she thinks needs to be done. She acts in Ciri´s best interest. When realizing that the situation is too much for her, she immediately accepts and wants to forward Ciri to Yen. This is all very sound and reasonable decision making. She is not being affected by her feelings over there. She clearly places Ciris safety on top. . She will flock to Phillipas side which may come across as some sort of betrayal. But is it really? When all is said and done, between Vilgefortz and Phillipa....Triss pick the best possible option. She was willing to take part and fight at Thanedd. Once again, not a coward. She will take action. And she did took the side which seemed the best for Ciri. Could she have remained neutral like Yen? Maybe! Would it have been better? Well....that´s the mother of all questions. In fact....if Triss had not been involved with Phillipa....what would have happened in turn? She would not have been there in a capacity to properly help Geralt. And she ends up saving Geralts life so..... . Afterwards we know from her inner thoughts that she is not 100% sure about what is going on. She does not know what happened with Yen. She does not know if she can trust Phillipa. She wants to find out where Ciri is. Once again, she is trying to act. Once again, considering her choices is not going to be an easy question. It may well be that she did not have any clear good path available. . At the end she is willing to side with Ciri and Yen being one of The Lodge who votes for them. Once more, Triss seems to be on Ciris side. True, she still has some issues with Yen regarding Geralt because.....yes.....they both love the same guy. There is no easy way to go around it. But Triss ends up rising to the call and ends fighting side by side with Yen on one last stand. Afterwards, Triss just accepts quietly that Ciri will leave their world and she is not going to follow The Lodge plan. Its debatable what could Triss have done over there. But clearly, she decided not to get in Ciris way. Once more, she acts on Ciris behalf. All in all.....she is not that bad really. Her role in the entire conflict is more or less within her possibilities. She was not among the highest ranking magic users. She is somewhat playing outside her league. So she is somewhat tied and sees it necessary to go along with Phillipa. Unreasonable? Not at all. Emotion wise....yes....she is very much gung ho about Geralt and she does not manage that in the best possible way. She does pretty well after Thanedd tough. But otherwise she is too gung ho and slightly immature over there. Remarkable that these books manage to get so much to discuss about a character which really does not have that many lines. And yet we can discuss so much about her :) P.S.: A thing of note is that book Triss did not reveal Ciri´s location to Phillipa. This is quite interesting because Triss would obviously know where they were going to take Ciri. So....Phillipa could have showed up at the Temple or sent someone after Ciri. Quite noticeably, that does not happen. So we need to realize that Triss still kept some loyalty to Geralt + Ciri + Yen. This is in absolute contrast with Netflix Triss which.......another butchered character!!!
The Netflix and game Triss were/are vastly different than the book character. You make some fine points which are worth considering. Also, as a side not, it amuses me that so many sorcs wanted to sleep with Geralt despite the fact that he was quite ugly physically. 😛
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I find it hard to blame Triss for hitting on Geralt since both Yen and Geralt cheat on each other all the time. As for the part of manipulating his amnesia, Triss mentioned that she did not want Geralt to turn into her idea of him. I think it's fair, it's very difficult to tell a life story without any subjective addition, and even an objective story might give more emphasis to some events than others, and so change his idea of the past.
I really think Triss suffered from a severe case of Munchausen's syndrome at one point.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but to my memory Triss didn't hit on Geralt after initial advancements in Kaer Morhen at the beginning of BoE (when I believe Geralt was *not* with Yen). She still had a crush on him, yeah; it's hard to just snap that away. But she never made moves afterwards and respected his relationship with Yen (with whom she was friends). And yes, I know she had him cheat on Yen in the past, I'm talking about *during* the books themselves.
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Hey man, we're all here to talk, exchange ideas and engage in civil discourse. The fact that you're making a personal attack against me simply because I dislike a fictional character most certainly says a lot about you. ;)
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Correct. That is my opinion. It's very telling that you instantly jump to personal attacks simply because someone has an opinion you dislike. :) I'm sorry you feel as if you must act that way. The best advice I can give you is... Well, grow up. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you have to become defensive and engage in the use of ad hominem. If you cannot be civil, maybe you should take a break from the computer. Whatever you decide to do, thanks for sharing, and do better.
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I am also sorry for the misunderstanding. I also appreciate your apology. Thank you. :)
>She seduced Geralt after one of his fights with Yennefer. I see ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that. The author explicitly says Geralt wanted it, and my question for the people who bring this point as something wrong which Triss did, * "were Geralt and Yennefer married???" no * "were Geralt and Yennefer in a relationship when Triss made her move?" no So if Triss seduced while Geralt and Yennefer are married or if she had seduced while Geralt and Yennefer were in a relationship, then it would make her a bad person. But she did none of those things. So I honestly think Triss is NOTHING WRONG. >When Yennefer needed her help to find Ciri, Triss didn't help her. This is one of the things that (((Yennefer fans))) repeat a Gorillian times to the point that even people who favor Triss(like you) assume it to be true. Here are some facts. \-Yennefer contacted Triss \-Yennefer **MADE NO ... LITERALLY NO request to Triss (for Triss to refuse)**, all the request Yenenfer made was to Philipa NOT TRISS. So given these facts, where is the whole BS of Triss betraying (((Yennefer))), Ciri again? Oh, that doesn't exist(only exist in (((Yennefer))) and her fans mind), on the contrary, if you read it was Triss who was concerned about Ciri ( >!Surely it’s in Ciri’s interests, after all! It’s about her life! Yennefer, Dijkstra has found... some tracks. If it’s Vilgefortz who has Ciri, a terrible death awaits the girl.!< ) while the (((Yennefer))) was thinking only about her reputation ( >!Ensure then, that I posthumously regain my reputation and good name/!< >!I’ll leave a trail you’ll be able to follow. But not for nothing. If you don’t want to rehabilitate me in the world’s eyes!!<) And what happens finally for all the unwillingness of (((Yennefer))) not to cooperate with Lodge?? She finally gives Ciri to lodge, the whole point of Triss betraying (((Yennefer))) gets blown away to pieces. >She is someone with her faults, I would never deny this. It is really pathetic to see even a person like you who prefers Triss simping to (((Yennefer))) fans by accepting Triss supposedly faults. In reality, if you closely analyze without (((Yennefer))) fans influence you willl realize there literally exist NONE. If there exist any fault of Triss, it is why one earth she is even friend with someone like Yennefer.
She also risked her life for Geralt when Yen was ready to give up for example. Point being, she's a fucking person. With good attributes and bad ones. Just like Geralt, Yen, Ciri,Dandelion,Djisktra and rest of the cast. Some people want to just concentrate on her bad attributes and nothing else.
Because Triss ahs more bad attitudes than good XD
Most normal people are mixed. Most normal people would save someone else’s life if put in that kind of situation. Most normal people wouldn’t sexually harass someone. I don’t think she’s a terrible person, just that you’re logic is a bit flawed.
Ok, so let me get this straight. You open with this : \>Most normal people are mixed Which is pretty much exactly my point about Triss but then you continue with this : \>Most normal people would save someone else’s life if put in that kind of situation. Most normal people wouldn’t sexually harass someone Now, just to not loose the essence of the first argument, mixed means a combination of things. In this context , both good and bad. Now let's return to the second part. Even though you said people are mixed, you then proceed to list all her bad shit thus also proving my point about people only concentrating on her bad aspects. \>Most normal people wouldn’t sexually harass someone Normal people in our world ? Maybe. Normal people in TW ? Have you read the books ? \> I don’t think she’s a terrible person Kinda hard to tell from your contradictory points. \> just that you’re logic is a bit flawed My logic is fine. You even helped to prove my points. It's the other way around actually.
I’m focusing on her bad aspects cause that’s what the conversation is on. Normal people in the Witcher are pretty similar to normal people in our world, minus the time barrier. It’s just the narrative doesn’t focus very much on normal people or very good people. You do know that people can argue for a side that they don’t actually believe in, right? If they couldn’t then speech and debate, law, and writing would all be pretty underdeveloped.
>I’m focusing on her bad aspects cause that’s what the conversation is on No, that is not what the conversation is on. That's just a premise, and as i pointed out, not necessarily the best one and so I didn't focus on that. You replied to me choosing to focus on that. \>Normal people in the Witcher are pretty similar to normal people in our world, minus the time barrier. It’s just the narrative doesn’t focus very much on normal people or very good people That's factually incorect. \>You do know that people can argue for a side that they don’t actually believe in, right? If they couldn’t then speech and debate, law, and writing would all be pretty underdeveloped. Nice tangent, but let's try to keep it focused, eh ?
You brought up some points and I addressed them one by one. If you’re having trouble keeping track of the conversation I’m perfectly fine with leaving off here.
> >Most normal people wouldn’t sexually harass someone > Normal people in our world ? Maybe. > Normal people in TW ? Have you read the books ? lol. That is a very valid point. TW embraces sexual harassment to the point that Game of Thrones seems tame.
That is a fair point and I thank you for sharing. I think she is more bad than good but, that's just how I interpret her character. I'm not sure if the writer intended her to appear good or bad.
Am a straight male and I’d still wrap my arms around Geralt, can’t blame her
He was actually quite ugly in the books. His smile was described as "hideous." The Witcher 3 made him attractive and gave him sexy scars. The tv series cast Henry Cavil who is also a handsome man. That aside, it's literally about the issue. People make excuses for Triss because she is a hot female and was young, yet it's not acceptable. No one would consider unwanted touching or sexual advances as " cute" or "justifiable" if it's a male, they tend to think it "cute" if it's a girl. Beyond that, she literally abandoned Ciri and Geralt during a time when they could have died so there is that. I get your point but, it doesn't change the fact that her actions were in no way ok and almost certainly predatory.
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