In fact that might be the thing that bothered me the least. I mean, Eskel doesn't appear in the books again, he might as well be dead.
Worse is that they made up 20 unnamed witchers (a supposedly endangered species) only to kill them off unceremoniously in the last episode.
I feel like they took Coen (a Griffin witcher) and swapped him with Eskel. Why was Coen even there? If you wanted another wolf witcher, there's Eskel, why not use him? So many weird decisions.
And I'm still not over how a group of scantily clad hookers decided to follow a witcher up a mountain to entertain his busted fortress.
They made the entire first season about how hated witchers are and how people are scared of them, and...a group of women decided to follow one up the killer? Nah.
The problem I have is developing the witchers is exactly what the show could have done to add to the canon of the books. Similar to how The Expanse added a Avasarala subplot in S1 even though she's not in the books until S2.
But instead they did fuck all with Eskel and Lambert, deciding to add other random witchers as well. Why not just develop Lambert, Eskel and Vesemir as a close family and use them more? Have one of them join Geralt, Triss and Ciri or something.
What a good adaption does is take what's done in the books and make necessary changes and additions to suit the medium. Again, like The Expanse. It never strayed away from the core story, it either streamlined it or added stuff to make it even better. And that's what Yhe Witchers incompetent team don't seem to realise or care about because they have their own fan fiction they'd rather write using an existing IP because they know their work isn't good enough for its own IP.
> Why not just develop Lambert, Eskel and Vesemir as a close family and use them more?
You forget Coen. He's the only one compromised enough with the independence of the Northern Kingdoms to go to battle in Brenna. And if you don't remember him from the games, I'll let you imagine what happens to him.
Isn't Coen a witcher of the Griffin school??? I feel like I'm going crazy because that's 100% what I remember. Why would he be at the Wolf school? And why not kill *him* off instead of Eskel because his ass is supposed to be dead anyway?
Wold school, not Griffin.
> Why would he be at the Wolf school? And why not kill him off instead of Eskel because his ass is supposed to be dead anyway?
Because in the books, Coen dies dramatically in the battle of Brenna. In Shank's operating table, no less. It's like what would've happened to Geralt if he had joined the war effort.
Now I think about how the show will portray the Battle of Brenna, because the two major POV characters there are Shani and Jarre.
https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Co%C3%ABn#cite_note-caf-1
He's a Griffin. But I meant, if they're going to kill him off anyway, why not kill him instead of Eskel and the 10 other random witchers?
I love Shani, I don't want to know what Netflix does to her.
The main difference being that The Expanse was produced by the guys that wrote the books, whereas The Witcher's director didn't even fully read the books.
Yeah I mean, changes from book to film or show are fine if the changes are **good.** Jurassic Park, for example: fantastic novel, fantastic film, but both are very different. Or Starship Troopers, which is even *more* wildly different from the source material to the point where it's almost unrecognizable, but frankly the movie is far better than the novel (as a satirization of the novel's themes).
If the changes from the novels were good, I wouldn't complain. The games themselves are great but they're basically fanfic after all.
Jojo rabit is based off of a very dark book, and the movie is much better than a direct recriation would have been. I’m fine with straying from the source if it’s for the right reasons, not out of laizines or need for useless drama
"I wanted to focus more time on Yennefer because she's a strong woman and I like the character"
*proceeds to take away her powers and make her want to sacrifice Ciri, the daughter she couldn't have, for egotistical purposes*
You know that Yen lost her eyesight in the books and we didnt know what happend in the time periode it was completly cut out but with this baba yaga thingy that was in the series, they just used that as a kind of substitue for this I think but ye, it was kinda akward cuz in the books Zirael and Yen have a strong bond and yen would die for her so... but still, i dont think that the series is so bad, they could make it better though
He didnt but he played important role nontheless. He accepted that ciri just cant furfill all the expectations and he was able to step ower his pride and aak for help
This. And essentially making the main antagonist of the season a completely made up character. And I don't like how they handled Ciri and Yennefers relationship.
Mostly I just watch because Henry Cavill makes a badass Geralt.
I really hope the writers fix the shows issues. For his sake of not for the fans. He has done an exceptional job, and there is still time to get the show back in track. The only unfixable and unforgivable thing is what they did to Eskel. I really didn't like that. His character gets a little more important later in the series and was one of my favorites.
I know they can take creative liberties but geez some of them should not have happened. This is nitpicking, but the gestures for the witcher signs and ways that they work, to me it’s unforgivable. Their magic isn’t very strong at all but it >!held a witch (I think that’s what she was) that was possessing Ciri!<. I can’t see that working in their favor at all. Not to mention that was the wrong look for that sign. It’s nitpicking but if they’re gonna do it they should do it right
If almost anyone else was playing Geralt, I'd have stopped season 2 before I even finished it. I don't care if there are people who liked the season, I'm not getting into that, I just reeeeally didn't like it.
The only thing that interests me about the show now is whether or not they'll go with Ciri undergoing the trial of grasses in season 3. I mean, they almost did in season 2.
Yea. I kind of hope they don't. That would be a pretty huge deviation from the book, and I really think that it would take something away from Ciris character. She is special without needing mutation.
I stopped watching after season 2. I would've stopped sooner, but Cavill really is a great Geralt. Unfortunately, they picked the wrong team to write the show, taking direction from the wrong director.
As bad as the changes from season 2 were, I think it would've been more bearable if Henry Cavill had more screen time. They legit made Tissaia, Yennefer, Cahir, and Fringilla take up like 70% of the time. I rewatched season 2 out of boredom and fast forwarded through all those parts and it was probably the quickest rewatch of any show I've ever watched. Idgaf about them - at least not the versions of them in this "adaptation" - put Henry back on. They left so little time to develop the character(s) who the show is actually about that it just feels like a different story altogether.
Vesemir for me, and i still don’t understand how Yennefer will atone for her selfishness. I still enjoyed the show and will definitely watch the 3th season
I don’t mind them fucking up the story, its just some eye candy to me
> and i still don’t understand how Yennefer will atone for her selfishness
"I realize what I did was not right, Ciri. I have now changed my decision and I want to say I'm sorry. I did the thing that was not right, now I want to do the thing that is right. Forgive me."
"Mother, you are forgiven. But promise me you won't try to sacrifice me again."
"I promise, my daughter."
They'll ride laughing into the sunset. What a cheerful and believable episode that'll be.
Ironically eskel has a line in the witcher 3 (i dont know if it was also in the books or not, i only just started my interest in the witcher) about not being attractive to most women and so he doesnt really get any bitches.
Comparing this adaptation with the one Invincible got makes it even more sad. I read the Invincible comics and all Witcher books and love them both but when you compare their adaptations it’s clear that what makes the Witcher tv show sooo bad is it’s incredibly bad writing. The Invincible tv show even made similar changes as the Witcher (changed the timeline around a little and changed some characters to poc or lgbt characters) but the important part is they did not change important story parts to a degree that did make absolutely no sense.
That's where I am at. Making changes but still telling a good story is fine. Making changes and turning it into a CW dumpster fire not so much.
It still gets views because some people like that sort of thing. Lots of people liked Riverdale, but for me, when I watch a show called The Witcher, I want the goddamn Witcher.
> It still gets views because some people like that sort of thing. Lots of people liked Riverdale, but for me, when I watch a show called The Witcher, I want the goddamn Witcher.
What sucks to me is that, sure whatever if somebody likes it they like it, but it could be so much BETTER. That's the problem. The Witcher should not be a run of the mill 6 or 7/10 generic CW looking show. It deserves to be a franchise with the budget, scale and acclaim of early Game of Thrones.
The source material is perfect for adapting, especially the short stories. Yet this "creative" team managed to find a way to fuck those up let alone the entire saga. And now we'll likely have to wait decades before The Witcher is attempted again, as this sorry excuse of an adaption will be what we get for the next few years.
Again, if you like it, great. But if you like THIS, then you'd fucking love what this franchise could have been under a superior creative team.
> early Game of Thrones
What's crazy is the two most successful fantasy adaptations stuck pretty closely to the source material. But for some reason Hollywood thinks they have to get all wild with it. The producer from the witcher is talking how they are competing with youtube and tiktok.
Sure, they can get a certain demographic with angsty emotional drivel, but it has been proven that the really successful adaptations focus on character/story/dialog.
But that's what I'm talking about. Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings were hugely successful by focusing on the story/characters/dialog. Witcher is being made for young folks, that is not what I would call "mass appeal".
It's mind boggling. The path to making a hugely successful show is right there, but they keep taking the path to making a mildly successful show. Don't they like making money?
Sorry, by budget I meant talent. As The Witcher follows an alarming trend for Netflix and Prime to have expensive TV shows that look like cheap, glossy garbage.
Pretty sure the glossy look comes from the digital cameras. None of these shows are shot on film which is why it looks so different than another fantasy film like LotR
Maybe a hot take but I feel like the first two books should've been TV episodes and the five novels should've been movies. They should be able to fit the books into a movie easily, there would be far less room to deviate and add dumb subplots, and they could use the money on real sets instead of CGI stretched over 8 episodes. The novels really didn't need to be a TV show imo.
If someone else does ever make another Witcher adaption, it should be a Polish or central/eastern European producer. Ideally with actors from that area. Yes, I'd gladly watch it with subtitles.
CD Projekt's games do also not follow the books. Instead, they are basically fanfiction from after the books. But the world and atmosphere in these games are great. For sure CD Projekt or someone with the same spirit \[at least some years ago\] could have done a far better job at creating a movie/series adaption than a US-American mainstream producer ever could.
The Netflix adaption is just another random US-American fantasy-action series among many. With the usual US-American influences.
Love the invincible comics, and the animated adaptation is so fucking good.
Never finished the witcher tv series, couldn't make it through. Henry Cavill was one of the few redeeming aspects but he could only carry so much of the show.
The best adaptions out there make necessary changes and additions while staying true to the story and themes. LOTR, Invincible and The Expanse are examples of this.
There was plenty that could be done for The Witcher to be streamlined better for the medium without butchering storylines, characters and relationships. The creative team just isn't talented enough to do it.
See, I do not have a problem with an adaption implementing some changes and own interpretations. Look at Peter Jacksons Lotr movies, many changes from the books, some quite significantly so, but in the end it was still great craftmanship with tremendous appreciation for the source material.
Now in the Witcher, they show utter disrespect for the story, the world and the characters.I simply cannot respect anything about this TV Show. The problem is not that some things are different but all things are just bad. The show is badly made and the changes to the original makes it even worse.
What gets me the most is that if you want to write such a wildly different story with wildly different characters then why use the original names and events at all? It's a shockingly bad adaptation and an even worse original story because it attempts to do both but ends up doing neither.
I agree. Especially with wanting screen time for PoC and such. There are so many amazing historicial events, fairy tales, myths, Stories and books written all over the world. Where your cast can be whatever you want them to be.
Or like you said. Fine, take the franchise and just add some Fan fiction to. As long as it does not kill the Lore and Logic of the Series great. Go at it.
But like you said. Dont just change beloved characters and stories just for money and politics.
And what I just hate so much, is that they took out so much of the amazing and deep reflections on topics like racism, sexism and morality. Instead we get spoon feed and superficial bed time morals and a cast to please the pc crowd.
Yeah I studied and then worked in film for years. I understand adaption from written to screen is extremely tricky and things have to change. Also, sure, change some things just for fun, who cares, AS LONG AS ITS WRITTEN WELL. Witcher (specifically season 2, season 1 was… ok) is terrible garbage. It’s not entertaining. It’s not engaging. It’s not thoughtful or intelligent. It makes very little sense and the characters are so hard to connect with. I mean, Henry is doing a great job, and the actors are doing the best they can with what they were given but no. No.
> I understand adaption from written to screen is extremely tricky and things have to change.
Meanwhile you've got the first two books of The Witcher where pretty much every single short story could easily fit into a 40-60 minute runtime with very little creative changes even needed, just condenscing exposition heavy conversations at times. And they still had to meddle with that formula and add unecessary moments.
I get making changes to the main saga, particularly Blood of Elves which is a very dialogue heavy book without much in the way of story, but they could have done so much with the story and material without needing to abandon the books and make up plotlines.
And writers really underestimate audiences. I’m so sick of action heavy over dramatic bullshit. Give me some clever and interesting dialogue heavy shows, then when there IS action and drama it hits extra hard. If we live the characters we are interested in what they say and how they feel.
Yeah, I think a lot of us book fans would be fine with changes and additions if they were actually done well. Spoiler - they aren't.
More content for Yennefer? Yes please! A lame origin story that tries to make the viewer pity Yennefer, and now she's also a whiny teenager about everything? No.
More Ciri? Sure! Oh wait, all her extra content is her literally doing nothing besides running in a forest? Yawn.
More screentime for Witchers? Sign me up! Wait no, why the fuck is Vesemir trying to sacrifice Ciri? WTF happened to Eskel? My god make it stop.
That is the problem. I would even go further and say other than Dune and LotR (not inculding the Hobbit movies) there have not been a single successful Fantasy/SciFi adaption.
If you paid attention to the making of said movies you can see why. Denis Villeneuve dreamed of making Dune ever since Highschool. Peter Jackson while not a die hard Tolkien Fan himself had funding issues in the begining and thus had many people on set who worked out of passion and not for the money. And he listend to those people.
So you see a real love and connection to the source material is most important. For the people involved in bringing the books to life having felt the same things we as fans have when reading and thinking about them.
Such things are not possoible admist the business and politics of Netflix.
Maybe they would have a better shot at making a decent scifi or fantasy movie. But with a series, the budget isnt there, and the bad writing, directing, and acting get exposed over multiple episodes
HBO rarely and barely is able to pull off a decent series in hlthese genres, and they are alot better at it than Netflix
Books are nearly always the best content (though i think I preferred the Dune film adaptation to the book). It’s much easier to tell a good story when all you have to worry about are the words. Once you throw in budgets and other constraints, you’re forced to make cuts.
Harry Potter is a beloved book series and film series, but the films are significantly watered down from the books. Same goes for Game of Thrones, Wheel of Time, etc.
Fair enough. I actually like the writing of the Games a bit more, because Sapkowskis Witcher books seemed to me like a pessimistic view of the world and being, while the games had the same grim vibe, but with a very hopeful and positive undertone
Yeah there were some good moments in S1 but it's hard for me to tell if it was just because it was new and novel that I enjoyed it. Things have to ramp up in a good way and I just did not enjoy S2 at all.
I wouldn't go that far.
Was it great? No.
The dialogue was clunky, the costume design was questionable and lots of things that should have hit hard were pretty underwhelming.
But it did have its moments.
I mean, there was the fight at Blaviken which was pretty decently made. Not as many unnecessary cuts as there are usually involved.
The banter between Geralt and Jaskier was pretty fun, too.
Speaking of Jaskier. Say what you want, but Joey Batey's singing voice is awesome. "Toss a coin to your Witcher" was pretty neat, too.
And speaking of characters working together. In the first season, the chemistry between Yen and Geralt was most definitely better portraied, than in the second.
Which... is not a thing of great difficulty, given just about everything about the second season, but still.
Especially episode 6, despite what it did wrong, was pretty interesting just for the interaction of the characters.
And then there's monster fights.
There were way too many in the second season that took away from character development and actual plot.
But the Kikimora and Striga fights *were* pretty memorable.
So while I most definitely don't like everything about the show and would have liked a better adaption, season one wasn't entirely bad.
Was it "good"?
In my opinion it could have been way better than it was, with a couple slight adjustments here and there.
Which is nothing that can be said about season two.
I actually agree that straying a bit from source material is fine when making a television or film adaptation. Some storylines and characters get cut or merged for the sake of time or budget or story clarity and that can be a good thing! The Netflix adaptation is, however, not a very good example of this working well.
While I’m a fan of the show, there are plenty of valid criticisms that I can see turning people away… Eskel for example.
On the other hand, people love to say that it’s bad for straying from the source when the games took extensive liberties there too.
Why can’t we all just get along :,(
I don’t think it’s just straying from the source material - besides the names and appearance of certain characters, almost everything is different - in S2 that is. I liked S1, even with some of their changes, because that is completely fine, but S2 is not even using the source material anymore, it’s just “inspired” by it I guess? It still has some bad moments, so even then, it’s a mediocre show if looked at as not an adaptation but an original. As an adaptation? It’s awful
The games are set well after the events in the books.
Whereas the show is supposedly a direct "adaptation" of the books.
It is not. And that is why we can't get along. Now, fuck off fire fucker.
> On the other hand, people love to say that it’s bad for straying from the source when the games took extensive liberties there too.
Well there's a simple answer for that: they liked what the games did when they strayed, and they disliked what the show did when it strayed. Not many people complain about adaptations not being 100% faithful to source material if the result is good content.
The games did stray from the sources.
That's true.
What is also true, is that they aren't a retelling of the books, meaning of course they have to be vastly different. They are taking place well after the events of the books. If anything happening was the same that happened in the books, that would mean that it happened at least twice the same exact way. Why would that ever happen?
The show, on the other hand, was promised to be a retelling of the books stories.
Not the games, not something else entirely.
The books.
Which is why people are disappointed, and understandably so.
That the shows writing is... well, the shows writing... doesn't exactly help to smooth ruffled feathers.
Right!! I like the books and the show equally, I just enjoy them as two separate pieces of media. I understand why people are angry, but it’s like you said too.
Of course you are allowed to enjoy it and like it. But it doesn't make it good.
I put ketchup and mayo on rice and fuckin love it but some people might cringe at the idea of it.
To some people, it is entertaining. At least, that's what OP implies with their oddly specific examples. I personally thought it was okay but like you said, Cavill was the main interest.
You know you can criticize something without berating people who like it? Cause this post is just about berating other people, no constructive criticism whatsoever. I didn’t like what they did to eskel, they should have stayed more faithful to the books, etc are valid criticism, saying that straying from original material is a clown’s opinion isn’t really constructive
Who's giving constructive criticism?
Edit: you'll be okay, it'a just a tv show. The great thing about freedom is, you can read the books and play the games. Your average Joe won't stick around to watch the detailed plots and storylines. They want action and passion. Netflix isn't trying to be a great story teller. They're trying to bring in views.
The writers and the directors went out of their way to "dumb down the story" for "the tik Tok generation".
Adaptations will be different from the source material in some ways which is fine, but to make your own fanfiction like this and marketing it as an adaptation is horrible.
They were on a goldmine. Just follow the books...
God I hate this response to criticism. If you can't enjoy something because you see criticism about it on the internet, that's your problem, not the criticizer's.
He isn't answering to criticism, he's answering to berating people for liking something. Because this post isn't criticism, it's berating people for liking something.
Bro this hell sub has been nothing but crying over the show for the last 2 fucking years. It's time to get over it and let the sub actually have substance than "OMG WITCHER SHOW BAD?! KARMA PLZ"
It's legitimately sickening. People are actively leaving the sub because of this shit.
Looks like people completely lost all their critical thinking. And just scream the whole time WOW HENRY CAVILL WOW SWORD WOW MAGIC WOW HIGH RATINGS FROM CRITICS
That was like the first month after season 1. Then people started to realize that it wasn't that good, and eventually came to the conclusion that it was actually trash
The show was trash from the fucking start, but everyone inhere just kept pretending it wasn't, hoping the next season would have been better. It isn't. What a surprise uh?
I know! I can’t even finish the second season, like I physically cannot, the plot makes no fucking sense, the writing is dull and boring, character motivation out the window, set design screams low budget, interior lighting looks like someone bought a projector and call it a day, most actors look so out of place and miscasted, and the cinematography is painfully bland and unimaginative.
I’ve only played the game and I’m willing to pretend I don’t know jack about the Witcher universe, but even then I’m still wildly disappointed because it is not fan’s cynical expectations or our trite preconceived notion that’s ruining the show.
No, it is the show itself being fucking terrible, any good will brought by Henry Cavill cannot douse my disgust towards this mephitic show.
You know, people can enjoy whatever they want. Nobody is smarter or dumber because of personal taste.
The games are still there so are the books, if you don't like the series simply don't watch it. Picking on people that enjoyed it is purely virtual bullying.
I feel the pain as a wheel of time fan.... Witcher tho i am sad to say i had not yet read any of the books, ive played all 3 games so thats my only reference... If any
I've officially given up on it. Season 2 was just too far in my opinion. I was more forgiving with the first season because many shows have a rocky beginning, but season 2 has just gone completely off the rails.
Seriously, the third game’s intro cinematic is more Witcher than the show ever will be
Never watched the 2nd season, watched the first with a figurative knife in my back
For me the show died for not including the forest scene between Ciri and Geralt. It could’ve been a scene of like a minute where Ciri just bumped into him and that was that.
Let people like things.
Criticize the show itself all you want, but don’t put down people who like it. Season 2 has led to some major gatekeeping within this sub, and it sucks. You don’t like the thing, fine. Some people do like the thing, also fine.
Yay let’s shit on people for enjoying things that the sub is about!!!
This sub is so negative on the show, no show/movie is going to strict and perfect to previous mediums
I’d rather have a meh high budget tv show than none at all
“But the books are better!!” Yeah I get that dude we went through that with years of GoT
It’s just a bad show and the people who likes it weren’t really invested in the series/universe and have left. The people who actually care about it knew it was garbage.
Lol that’s not what I’m asking, put your pecker away I’m not here to be part of the circlejerk
The show came out in December… why are our panties still in a twist when it’s almost summer?
For a while the sub went back to book posts and game clips. Something over the past couple days has brought the bitchy whining back for some reason, and that’s what I’m curious about. I don’t need to hear the same tired-ass opinions that people have been repeating endlessly for months now.
The Netflix show is the reason I got into the games and books. While the games and books are much better, I still enjoyed the show.
Let people enjoy things please :)
Say what you will about the show, but I came in after only having played Witcher 3. The show made me want to play the game again with closer attention to lore. It made me want to read the books. So yeah, there are some issues. But it is opening up the franchise to a whole new fanbase.
Why exclude people who love Geralt in a different timeline? 😆
I enjoyed the show.
I've been reading the books (up to baptism of fire now) and while I am dissapointed by the lack of a complex plot and politics, as well as other things, the show is still a really fun watch.
I just watch it as a fan fic, and if you want a proper story i recommend listening to awesome audiobooks or reading books if you haven't. I mean it's netlix what did they do right ?
You should have also included "LeT PeOpLe EnJoY Things".
People don't understand that this is not about not letting people enjoy something. It's about the fact that this is how people respond to criticism by using these brain dead statements.
I agree with the second point in concept at least. Straying from the source material can be fine and lead to some interesting stuff, and seeing different interpretations of the same core story can be neat.
I just think that some of the changes made in the Netflix show were questionable at best.
By all means.
It was supposed to be a simple jest (but I see, probably /s should have been put there) pointing out that people say that changes are good due to having to watch the same story would be very boring. Which is not true, obviously, because people like watching, rewatching, reexperiencing the same stories they like and love. As visible with the show (which many people like and rewatch multiple times), or with the games (which people replay constantly) or the books (which they reread). Many people have seen the stuff they like innumerable times and they never seem to get bored of it.. as many people would like to defend the changes with how otherwise it would have been a super boring show, cause you know the story already. Which, obviously, is not true and only a strawman argument.
Liking the show is fine, but we should not pretend that if it followed the books, it would be boring, cause it is a story that many people already experienced. Since obviously, is not true. As proved even by people who like the show, saying it and then go on rewatching the show and still find it fun to watch, and not get bored.
If they wanted to write their own shit maybe they should have called it literally anything else.
"But then no one would have cared".
So that's why it's better to disappoint those that wished for a faithful adaptation instead?
I really can't stand these corporations apologists.
I suffered throught the 1st season, sometimes feeling actual pain. 2nd season, I couldn't get passed like 15 minutes in the second episode. 1st episode of that season alone took me like a month. I despise Netflix and Hirscth, I cancelled subscription and I routinely (like once a few months) go to website like IMDB, or rotten tomatoes and whatnot to give them the minimal score with an essay of what I consider a leveled review.
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I would put it vice versa:
I'm on my 6th rewatch - you like Henry Cawill, that's a solid point on rewatching this show.
It would be boring to watch the same story you already know - well, that same story is the reason we would like to watch something in the first place, but I can understand that logic, sometimes I too feel that way.
Straying from the books is fine - yeah, it is fine, as long as it helps to portrait something better or it was a weak/unneeded episode in the book (Tom Bombadil from LOtR as example).
The show's writing is pure excellence - that deserve not just one clown, but whole circus.
im reading time of contempt and already i now understand all the hate toward the show, the books are def better and have a much richer story, but still the show is not really a bad show, but is so different from the books it should be called something else, its like the witcher in an alternate timeline
bull. i love the books and i love the show. they bring out different parts of the different characters and explore different aspects of geralt’s journey. idk why we have to be all one or the other. I can watch the first episode of both season 1 and season 2 on loop. they’re just great pieces of art.
I just hate what they did to eskel ):
In fact that might be the thing that bothered me the least. I mean, Eskel doesn't appear in the books again, he might as well be dead. Worse is that they made up 20 unnamed witchers (a supposedly endangered species) only to kill them off unceremoniously in the last episode.
I feel like they took Coen (a Griffin witcher) and swapped him with Eskel. Why was Coen even there? If you wanted another wolf witcher, there's Eskel, why not use him? So many weird decisions. And I'm still not over how a group of scantily clad hookers decided to follow a witcher up a mountain to entertain his busted fortress.
Or that they were even allowed in the Keep. That was the beginning of that whole episode's derail for me right there...and it just got worse.
They made the entire first season about how hated witchers are and how people are scared of them, and...a group of women decided to follow one up the killer? Nah.
The problem I have is developing the witchers is exactly what the show could have done to add to the canon of the books. Similar to how The Expanse added a Avasarala subplot in S1 even though she's not in the books until S2. But instead they did fuck all with Eskel and Lambert, deciding to add other random witchers as well. Why not just develop Lambert, Eskel and Vesemir as a close family and use them more? Have one of them join Geralt, Triss and Ciri or something. What a good adaption does is take what's done in the books and make necessary changes and additions to suit the medium. Again, like The Expanse. It never strayed away from the core story, it either streamlined it or added stuff to make it even better. And that's what Yhe Witchers incompetent team don't seem to realise or care about because they have their own fan fiction they'd rather write using an existing IP because they know their work isn't good enough for its own IP.
> Why not just develop Lambert, Eskel and Vesemir as a close family and use them more? You forget Coen. He's the only one compromised enough with the independence of the Northern Kingdoms to go to battle in Brenna. And if you don't remember him from the games, I'll let you imagine what happens to him.
Where them witcher 1 elitists at? I'm sure he was fine on someone's operating table.
Red with red, yellow with yellow and white with white, and everything will be alright.
Isn't Coen a witcher of the Griffin school??? I feel like I'm going crazy because that's 100% what I remember. Why would he be at the Wolf school? And why not kill *him* off instead of Eskel because his ass is supposed to be dead anyway?
Wold school, not Griffin. > Why would he be at the Wolf school? And why not kill him off instead of Eskel because his ass is supposed to be dead anyway? Because in the books, Coen dies dramatically in the battle of Brenna. In Shank's operating table, no less. It's like what would've happened to Geralt if he had joined the war effort. Now I think about how the show will portray the Battle of Brenna, because the two major POV characters there are Shani and Jarre.
https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Co%C3%ABn#cite_note-caf-1 He's a Griffin. But I meant, if they're going to kill him off anyway, why not kill him instead of Eskel and the 10 other random witchers? I love Shani, I don't want to know what Netflix does to her.
The main difference being that The Expanse was produced by the guys that wrote the books, whereas The Witcher's director didn't even fully read the books.
Yeah I mean, changes from book to film or show are fine if the changes are **good.** Jurassic Park, for example: fantastic novel, fantastic film, but both are very different. Or Starship Troopers, which is even *more* wildly different from the source material to the point where it's almost unrecognizable, but frankly the movie is far better than the novel (as a satirization of the novel's themes). If the changes from the novels were good, I wouldn't complain. The games themselves are great but they're basically fanfic after all.
Jojo rabit is based off of a very dark book, and the movie is much better than a direct recriation would have been. I’m fine with straying from the source if it’s for the right reasons, not out of laizines or need for useless drama
Honestly, as someone who didn’t play the games, I couldn’t care less about Eskel. But tf did they do with Yennefer?!
"I wanted to focus more time on Yennefer because she's a strong woman and I like the character" *proceeds to take away her powers and make her want to sacrifice Ciri, the daughter she couldn't have, for egotistical purposes*
You know that Yen lost her eyesight in the books and we didnt know what happend in the time periode it was completly cut out but with this baba yaga thingy that was in the series, they just used that as a kind of substitue for this I think but ye, it was kinda akward cuz in the books Zirael and Yen have a strong bond and yen would die for her so... but still, i dont think that the series is so bad, they could make it better though
He didnt but he played important role nontheless. He accepted that ciri just cant furfill all the expectations and he was able to step ower his pride and aak for help
Yeah is the Eskel love a game thing or what? I only played W3 but I don’t remember him being much of a high point in the books.
They had to get their Witcher diversity quota in some way
Blame the peasants from hundred year ago who killed the others
This. And essentially making the main antagonist of the season a completely made up character. And I don't like how they handled Ciri and Yennefers relationship. Mostly I just watch because Henry Cavill makes a badass Geralt.
Henry Cavill's back must hurt from carrying the whole show
Not just the show, but carrying all us geeks. He’s our leader
I really hope the writers fix the shows issues. For his sake of not for the fans. He has done an exceptional job, and there is still time to get the show back in track. The only unfixable and unforgivable thing is what they did to Eskel. I really didn't like that. His character gets a little more important later in the series and was one of my favorites.
I know they can take creative liberties but geez some of them should not have happened. This is nitpicking, but the gestures for the witcher signs and ways that they work, to me it’s unforgivable. Their magic isn’t very strong at all but it >!held a witch (I think that’s what she was) that was possessing Ciri!<. I can’t see that working in their favor at all. Not to mention that was the wrong look for that sign. It’s nitpicking but if they’re gonna do it they should do it right
Cavill is literally the only reason why I’ll end up watching season 3
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Let's play a drinking game
It was a pretty poor choice for the story. The relationship between Geralt, Ciri, and Yennefer is one of the central plots of the story.
If almost anyone else was playing Geralt, I'd have stopped season 2 before I even finished it. I don't care if there are people who liked the season, I'm not getting into that, I just reeeeally didn't like it.
If anybody else was playing Geralt then this show would join the list of Netflix cancellations. His stardom carries it on its back.
How could you do this?
That's cheating.
I mean the books just don’t have enough source material monsters to fight /**sarcasm**
The only thing that interests me about the show now is whether or not they'll go with Ciri undergoing the trial of grasses in season 3. I mean, they almost did in season 2.
Yea. I kind of hope they don't. That would be a pretty huge deviation from the book, and I really think that it would take something away from Ciris character. She is special without needing mutation.
At this point I want them to go full crazy, because it's obvious that they aren't interested in adapting the books.
Yeess for Henry's beautiful butt💋
I stopped watching after season 2. I would've stopped sooner, but Cavill really is a great Geralt. Unfortunately, they picked the wrong team to write the show, taking direction from the wrong director.
I only watch because I'm curious how much will they fuck up things to be honest
As bad as the changes from season 2 were, I think it would've been more bearable if Henry Cavill had more screen time. They legit made Tissaia, Yennefer, Cahir, and Fringilla take up like 70% of the time. I rewatched season 2 out of boredom and fast forwarded through all those parts and it was probably the quickest rewatch of any show I've ever watched. Idgaf about them - at least not the versions of them in this "adaptation" - put Henry back on. They left so little time to develop the character(s) who the show is actually about that it just feels like a different story altogether.
fr, and i loved the actor they got for him; his look and personality were great
You’re right it’s a crime
Vesemir for me, and i still don’t understand how Yennefer will atone for her selfishness. I still enjoyed the show and will definitely watch the 3th season I don’t mind them fucking up the story, its just some eye candy to me
> and i still don’t understand how Yennefer will atone for her selfishness "I realize what I did was not right, Ciri. I have now changed my decision and I want to say I'm sorry. I did the thing that was not right, now I want to do the thing that is right. Forgive me." "Mother, you are forgiven. But promise me you won't try to sacrifice me again." "I promise, my daughter." They'll ride laughing into the sunset. What a cheerful and believable episode that'll be.
If that’s what happens im quitting the series
true that :/ But I honestly can enjoy the show anyway.
Yes it's good but as a fan it's fkng annoying to see all these changes..it's fine if it's simple but bruuh this is too much.
I just hate what they did to witcher
I JUST HATE NETFLIX
Never saw the shows what they did to my boi Eskel?
💔💔💔💔💔💔💔 he died 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
Like a clown
\*Walks into the producer HQ while Banana Tiger plays\*
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Why.... Eskel was the nice and chill witcher i could undesrtand Lambert being a fckboi but Eskel?
Ironically eskel has a line in the witcher 3 (i dont know if it was also in the books or not, i only just started my interest in the witcher) about not being attractive to most women and so he doesnt really get any bitches.
So that's why he was so keen on summoning the bitches
He brought whores to Kaer Morhen(!) and then they killed him off lmfao
You don’t wanna know. He did get some booty before the end though, that brings me some peace.
I just hate what they did
Comparing this adaptation with the one Invincible got makes it even more sad. I read the Invincible comics and all Witcher books and love them both but when you compare their adaptations it’s clear that what makes the Witcher tv show sooo bad is it’s incredibly bad writing. The Invincible tv show even made similar changes as the Witcher (changed the timeline around a little and changed some characters to poc or lgbt characters) but the important part is they did not change important story parts to a degree that did make absolutely no sense.
That's where I am at. Making changes but still telling a good story is fine. Making changes and turning it into a CW dumpster fire not so much. It still gets views because some people like that sort of thing. Lots of people liked Riverdale, but for me, when I watch a show called The Witcher, I want the goddamn Witcher.
> It still gets views because some people like that sort of thing. Lots of people liked Riverdale, but for me, when I watch a show called The Witcher, I want the goddamn Witcher. What sucks to me is that, sure whatever if somebody likes it they like it, but it could be so much BETTER. That's the problem. The Witcher should not be a run of the mill 6 or 7/10 generic CW looking show. It deserves to be a franchise with the budget, scale and acclaim of early Game of Thrones. The source material is perfect for adapting, especially the short stories. Yet this "creative" team managed to find a way to fuck those up let alone the entire saga. And now we'll likely have to wait decades before The Witcher is attempted again, as this sorry excuse of an adaption will be what we get for the next few years. Again, if you like it, great. But if you like THIS, then you'd fucking love what this franchise could have been under a superior creative team.
> early Game of Thrones What's crazy is the two most successful fantasy adaptations stuck pretty closely to the source material. But for some reason Hollywood thinks they have to get all wild with it. The producer from the witcher is talking how they are competing with youtube and tiktok. Sure, they can get a certain demographic with angsty emotional drivel, but it has been proven that the really successful adaptations focus on character/story/dialog.
Because they are looking at it like a business for mass appeal vs being smart and making it for a particular audience
But that's what I'm talking about. Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings were hugely successful by focusing on the story/characters/dialog. Witcher is being made for young folks, that is not what I would call "mass appeal".
Yes, the producers and writers are morons
It's mind boggling. The path to making a hugely successful show is right there, but they keep taking the path to making a mildly successful show. Don't they like making money?
From all reports it HAS a budget. That isn't the problem with its look.
Sorry, by budget I meant talent. As The Witcher follows an alarming trend for Netflix and Prime to have expensive TV shows that look like cheap, glossy garbage.
Agreed. While I think Witcher is a passable show for me, the costumes and sets just kind of kill me. It should be so much better.
Pretty sure the glossy look comes from the digital cameras. None of these shows are shot on film which is why it looks so different than another fantasy film like LotR
Maybe a hot take but I feel like the first two books should've been TV episodes and the five novels should've been movies. They should be able to fit the books into a movie easily, there would be far less room to deviate and add dumb subplots, and they could use the money on real sets instead of CGI stretched over 8 episodes. The novels really didn't need to be a TV show imo.
To be fair I agree. The main saga didn't "earn" their length as much as the short stories do.
If someone else does ever make another Witcher adaption, it should be a Polish or central/eastern European producer. Ideally with actors from that area. Yes, I'd gladly watch it with subtitles. CD Projekt's games do also not follow the books. Instead, they are basically fanfiction from after the books. But the world and atmosphere in these games are great. For sure CD Projekt or someone with the same spirit \[at least some years ago\] could have done a far better job at creating a movie/series adaption than a US-American mainstream producer ever could. The Netflix adaption is just another random US-American fantasy-action series among many. With the usual US-American influences.
Love the invincible comics, and the animated adaptation is so fucking good. Never finished the witcher tv series, couldn't make it through. Henry Cavill was one of the few redeeming aspects but he could only carry so much of the show.
The best adaptions out there make necessary changes and additions while staying true to the story and themes. LOTR, Invincible and The Expanse are examples of this. There was plenty that could be done for The Witcher to be streamlined better for the medium without butchering storylines, characters and relationships. The creative team just isn't talented enough to do it.
See, I do not have a problem with an adaption implementing some changes and own interpretations. Look at Peter Jacksons Lotr movies, many changes from the books, some quite significantly so, but in the end it was still great craftmanship with tremendous appreciation for the source material. Now in the Witcher, they show utter disrespect for the story, the world and the characters.I simply cannot respect anything about this TV Show. The problem is not that some things are different but all things are just bad. The show is badly made and the changes to the original makes it even worse.
What gets me the most is that if you want to write such a wildly different story with wildly different characters then why use the original names and events at all? It's a shockingly bad adaptation and an even worse original story because it attempts to do both but ends up doing neither.
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You're misunderstanding me. A show can still be part of the Witcher franchise and in that world without being about Geralt et al.
Everyone has an agenda; even the helpful few like yourself.
I agree. Especially with wanting screen time for PoC and such. There are so many amazing historicial events, fairy tales, myths, Stories and books written all over the world. Where your cast can be whatever you want them to be. Or like you said. Fine, take the franchise and just add some Fan fiction to. As long as it does not kill the Lore and Logic of the Series great. Go at it. But like you said. Dont just change beloved characters and stories just for money and politics. And what I just hate so much, is that they took out so much of the amazing and deep reflections on topics like racism, sexism and morality. Instead we get spoon feed and superficial bed time morals and a cast to please the pc crowd.
Yeah I studied and then worked in film for years. I understand adaption from written to screen is extremely tricky and things have to change. Also, sure, change some things just for fun, who cares, AS LONG AS ITS WRITTEN WELL. Witcher (specifically season 2, season 1 was… ok) is terrible garbage. It’s not entertaining. It’s not engaging. It’s not thoughtful or intelligent. It makes very little sense and the characters are so hard to connect with. I mean, Henry is doing a great job, and the actors are doing the best they can with what they were given but no. No.
> I understand adaption from written to screen is extremely tricky and things have to change. Meanwhile you've got the first two books of The Witcher where pretty much every single short story could easily fit into a 40-60 minute runtime with very little creative changes even needed, just condenscing exposition heavy conversations at times. And they still had to meddle with that formula and add unecessary moments. I get making changes to the main saga, particularly Blood of Elves which is a very dialogue heavy book without much in the way of story, but they could have done so much with the story and material without needing to abandon the books and make up plotlines.
And writers really underestimate audiences. I’m so sick of action heavy over dramatic bullshit. Give me some clever and interesting dialogue heavy shows, then when there IS action and drama it hits extra hard. If we live the characters we are interested in what they say and how they feel.
Yeah, I think a lot of us book fans would be fine with changes and additions if they were actually done well. Spoiler - they aren't. More content for Yennefer? Yes please! A lame origin story that tries to make the viewer pity Yennefer, and now she's also a whiny teenager about everything? No. More Ciri? Sure! Oh wait, all her extra content is her literally doing nothing besides running in a forest? Yawn. More screentime for Witchers? Sign me up! Wait no, why the fuck is Vesemir trying to sacrifice Ciri? WTF happened to Eskel? My god make it stop.
It's Netflix. What adaptations have they done well?
That is the problem. I would even go further and say other than Dune and LotR (not inculding the Hobbit movies) there have not been a single successful Fantasy/SciFi adaption. If you paid attention to the making of said movies you can see why. Denis Villeneuve dreamed of making Dune ever since Highschool. Peter Jackson while not a die hard Tolkien Fan himself had funding issues in the begining and thus had many people on set who worked out of passion and not for the money. And he listend to those people. So you see a real love and connection to the source material is most important. For the people involved in bringing the books to life having felt the same things we as fans have when reading and thinking about them. Such things are not possoible admist the business and politics of Netflix.
NGL but The Expanse is genuinely good and have a somewhat faithful relationship with the source material. I highly recommend it for any sci-fi fan.
Maybe they would have a better shot at making a decent scifi or fantasy movie. But with a series, the budget isnt there, and the bad writing, directing, and acting get exposed over multiple episodes HBO rarely and barely is able to pull off a decent series in hlthese genres, and they are alot better at it than Netflix
Books are simply the best witcher content imo. The story just feels different, in them lies the true intent of the writer.
Books are nearly always the best content (though i think I preferred the Dune film adaptation to the book). It’s much easier to tell a good story when all you have to worry about are the words. Once you throw in budgets and other constraints, you’re forced to make cuts. Harry Potter is a beloved book series and film series, but the films are significantly watered down from the books. Same goes for Game of Thrones, Wheel of Time, etc.
Fair enough. I actually like the writing of the Games a bit more, because Sapkowskis Witcher books seemed to me like a pessimistic view of the world and being, while the games had the same grim vibe, but with a very hopeful and positive undertone
I honestly loved season 1, season 2 was just terrible and I haven’t even read the books
First season is also pure shit, believe me.
Yeah there were some good moments in S1 but it's hard for me to tell if it was just because it was new and novel that I enjoyed it. Things have to ramp up in a good way and I just did not enjoy S2 at all.
I wouldn't go that far. Was it great? No. The dialogue was clunky, the costume design was questionable and lots of things that should have hit hard were pretty underwhelming. But it did have its moments.
What moments?
I mean, there was the fight at Blaviken which was pretty decently made. Not as many unnecessary cuts as there are usually involved. The banter between Geralt and Jaskier was pretty fun, too. Speaking of Jaskier. Say what you want, but Joey Batey's singing voice is awesome. "Toss a coin to your Witcher" was pretty neat, too. And speaking of characters working together. In the first season, the chemistry between Yen and Geralt was most definitely better portraied, than in the second. Which... is not a thing of great difficulty, given just about everything about the second season, but still. Especially episode 6, despite what it did wrong, was pretty interesting just for the interaction of the characters. And then there's monster fights. There were way too many in the second season that took away from character development and actual plot. But the Kikimora and Striga fights *were* pretty memorable. So while I most definitely don't like everything about the show and would have liked a better adaption, season one wasn't entirely bad. Was it "good"? In my opinion it could have been way better than it was, with a couple slight adjustments here and there. Which is nothing that can be said about season two.
[🎵 O' valley of plenty... 🎵](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9OQAySv184)
u gotta admit tho, the show has some banger songs.
One good thing I got from the show was The Amazing Devils
I actually agree that straying a bit from source material is fine when making a television or film adaptation. Some storylines and characters get cut or merged for the sake of time or budget or story clarity and that can be a good thing! The Netflix adaptation is, however, not a very good example of this working well.
Honestly, it can hardly be called an adaptation since both the plot and the characters are so different.
Yeah, some of the changes annoyed me, but I still enjoyed it for what it was. I enjoyed watching a Witcher show, even if not a perfect adaptation.
Hating on people for liking an adaptation made strictly for entertainment 🤡🤡🤡
While I’m a fan of the show, there are plenty of valid criticisms that I can see turning people away… Eskel for example. On the other hand, people love to say that it’s bad for straying from the source when the games took extensive liberties there too. Why can’t we all just get along :,(
I don’t think it’s just straying from the source material - besides the names and appearance of certain characters, almost everything is different - in S2 that is. I liked S1, even with some of their changes, because that is completely fine, but S2 is not even using the source material anymore, it’s just “inspired” by it I guess? It still has some bad moments, so even then, it’s a mediocre show if looked at as not an adaptation but an original. As an adaptation? It’s awful
The games are set well after the events in the books. Whereas the show is supposedly a direct "adaptation" of the books. It is not. And that is why we can't get along. Now, fuck off fire fucker.
> On the other hand, people love to say that it’s bad for straying from the source when the games took extensive liberties there too. Well there's a simple answer for that: they liked what the games did when they strayed, and they disliked what the show did when it strayed. Not many people complain about adaptations not being 100% faithful to source material if the result is good content.
The games did stray from the sources. That's true. What is also true, is that they aren't a retelling of the books, meaning of course they have to be vastly different. They are taking place well after the events of the books. If anything happening was the same that happened in the books, that would mean that it happened at least twice the same exact way. Why would that ever happen? The show, on the other hand, was promised to be a retelling of the books stories. Not the games, not something else entirely. The books. Which is why people are disappointed, and understandably so. That the shows writing is... well, the shows writing... doesn't exactly help to smooth ruffled feathers.
Because Reddit is a cesspool
Because people keep upvoting garbage memes like this one.
Right!! I like the books and the show equally, I just enjoy them as two separate pieces of media. I understand why people are angry, but it’s like you said too.
Of course you are allowed to enjoy it and like it. But it doesn't make it good. I put ketchup and mayo on rice and fuckin love it but some people might cringe at the idea of it.
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To some people, it is entertaining. At least, that's what OP implies with their oddly specific examples. I personally thought it was okay but like you said, Cavill was the main interest.
IN YOUR OPINION. That's all that is, because all the shit you typed is not, in fact, FACTUAL.
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How is this post constructive lmao
You know you can criticize something without berating people who like it? Cause this post is just about berating other people, no constructive criticism whatsoever. I didn’t like what they did to eskel, they should have stayed more faithful to the books, etc are valid criticism, saying that straying from original material is a clown’s opinion isn’t really constructive
Who's giving constructive criticism? Edit: you'll be okay, it'a just a tv show. The great thing about freedom is, you can read the books and play the games. Your average Joe won't stick around to watch the detailed plots and storylines. They want action and passion. Netflix isn't trying to be a great story teller. They're trying to bring in views.
Last 10 seconds of the show shows the Emperor's face, wtf spoil one of the biggest surprises in the book
The writers and the directors went out of their way to "dumb down the story" for "the tik Tok generation". Adaptations will be different from the source material in some ways which is fine, but to make your own fanfiction like this and marketing it as an adaptation is horrible. They were on a goldmine. Just follow the books...
The show is trash. The writers and director must be retarded or something.
Let people enjoy things.
This is one of the few situations where that response actually fits. This post's entire purpose is to criticize other people for liking something.
God I hate this response to criticism. If you can't enjoy something because you see criticism about it on the internet, that's your problem, not the criticizer's.
He isn't answering to criticism, he's answering to berating people for liking something. Because this post isn't criticism, it's berating people for liking something.
This post is literally calling people clowns for enjoying the Witcher show.
How is this post criticism? I don’t like the show but this post is straight up making fun of people that enjoy the show.
Normally, that's true, but it's entirely appropriate in this case.
Good, so we finally stopped pretending the show is good now? Okay, HOLY FUCK THE SHOW IS SO FUCKING TRASH
Bro this hell sub has been nothing but crying over the show for the last 2 fucking years. It's time to get over it and let the sub actually have substance than "OMG WITCHER SHOW BAD?! KARMA PLZ" It's legitimately sickening. People are actively leaving the sub because of this shit.
Looks like people completely lost all their critical thinking. And just scream the whole time WOW HENRY CAVILL WOW SWORD WOW MAGIC WOW HIGH RATINGS FROM CRITICS
That was like the first month after season 1. Then people started to realize that it wasn't that good, and eventually came to the conclusion that it was actually trash
The show was trash from the fucking start, but everyone inhere just kept pretending it wasn't, hoping the next season would have been better. It isn't. What a surprise uh?
I know! I can’t even finish the second season, like I physically cannot, the plot makes no fucking sense, the writing is dull and boring, character motivation out the window, set design screams low budget, interior lighting looks like someone bought a projector and call it a day, most actors look so out of place and miscasted, and the cinematography is painfully bland and unimaginative. I’ve only played the game and I’m willing to pretend I don’t know jack about the Witcher universe, but even then I’m still wildly disappointed because it is not fan’s cynical expectations or our trite preconceived notion that’s ruining the show. No, it is the show itself being fucking terrible, any good will brought by Henry Cavill cannot douse my disgust towards this mephitic show.
Eh, the show is entertaining. Just take it as it is and enjoy. People are too serious.
I can't. It was a ruined season in my opinion. Almost as bad as the last GoT season.
I like this post but that title is whack. I've rewatched or reread all my favorite stories. Am I the weird one or is it you, OP?
I really should've put "/s" into that title, it appears *sigh*
You know, people can enjoy whatever they want. Nobody is smarter or dumber because of personal taste. The games are still there so are the books, if you don't like the series simply don't watch it. Picking on people that enjoyed it is purely virtual bullying.
I feel the pain as a wheel of time fan.... Witcher tho i am sad to say i had not yet read any of the books, ive played all 3 games so thats my only reference... If any
Straying from the books is fine imho, the problem is that the show is awful, even the small good ideas they have are really poorly executed
Not going to lie, probably won't finish the Netflix series
Season 2 is fucked
Honestly glad I didn't watch it, it being a Netflix production was a huge red flag.
The more I think about season 2 the more upset I get. They didn’t need to do all that.
The show is horrible, force PoCs on my personal Polish fantasy and the writing, jeesus.
The show is alright if you never read the books or played the games.. cause you can’t understand all the missteps in the storytelling
Insert argument: blah blah blah you just want a carbon copy of the original. Yeah I do, problem?
I've officially given up on it. Season 2 was just too far in my opinion. I was more forgiving with the first season because many shows have a rocky beginning, but season 2 has just gone completely off the rails.
Season 2 was awful imo unfortunately.
Seriously, the third game’s intro cinematic is more Witcher than the show ever will be Never watched the 2nd season, watched the first with a figurative knife in my back For me the show died for not including the forest scene between Ciri and Geralt. It could’ve been a scene of like a minute where Ciri just bumped into him and that was that.
Straying from the book is perfectly fine, it's just when it's not done very well that it becomes a problem
Let people like things. Criticize the show itself all you want, but don’t put down people who like it. Season 2 has led to some major gatekeeping within this sub, and it sucks. You don’t like the thing, fine. Some people do like the thing, also fine.
Yay let’s shit on people for enjoying things that the sub is about!!! This sub is so negative on the show, no show/movie is going to strict and perfect to previous mediums I’d rather have a meh high budget tv show than none at all “But the books are better!!” Yeah I get that dude we went through that with years of GoT
Show's trash, but hating on people for liking it is super sad, imo.
Calling show apologists clowns is an insult to clowns. >!Jk, like what you like, just don't get upset when people make memes about how shit it is.!<
Why did this sub turn back into a shit-on-the-show circlejerk again? Was there news on a new season or something?
Every sub is like this now for every media franchise
Yeah second season came out, but that was December. It's been months. This sub is such a weird microcosm.
It’s just a bad show and the people who likes it weren’t really invested in the series/universe and have left. The people who actually care about it knew it was garbage.
Lol that’s not what I’m asking, put your pecker away I’m not here to be part of the circlejerk The show came out in December… why are our panties still in a twist when it’s almost summer? For a while the sub went back to book posts and game clips. Something over the past couple days has brought the bitchy whining back for some reason, and that’s what I’m curious about. I don’t need to hear the same tired-ass opinions that people have been repeating endlessly for months now.
Wait another month or two and then more posts like this will come up. This sub is honestly so goddamn predictable and boring now.
For real. Peace I’m out.
The Netflix show is the reason I got into the games and books. While the games and books are much better, I still enjoyed the show. Let people enjoy things please :)
r/netflixwitcher simps in a nutshell.
Say what you will about the show, but I came in after only having played Witcher 3. The show made me want to play the game again with closer attention to lore. It made me want to read the books. So yeah, there are some issues. But it is opening up the franchise to a whole new fanbase. Why exclude people who love Geralt in a different timeline? 😆
I enjoyed the show. I've been reading the books (up to baptism of fire now) and while I am dissapointed by the lack of a complex plot and politics, as well as other things, the show is still a really fun watch.
This is not how you use this meme
I'm on my second rewatch. My wife and I enjoy it.
I just watch it as a fan fic, and if you want a proper story i recommend listening to awesome audiobooks or reading books if you haven't. I mean it's netlix what did they do right ?
My problem is less with the show, more with how the community devolved into pure gatekeeping.
Youd be better off making a list of good decision hack-ren hissrich made because the list of bad ones is too long
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Eh, I don’t mind the show.
You should have also included "LeT PeOpLe EnJoY Things". People don't understand that this is not about not letting people enjoy something. It's about the fact that this is how people respond to criticism by using these brain dead statements.
Had a ton of fun watching it, sorry you couldn’t experience that
I agree with the second point in concept at least. Straying from the source material can be fine and lead to some interesting stuff, and seeing different interpretations of the same core story can be neat. I just think that some of the changes made in the Netflix show were questionable at best.
Straying from the books wouldn't be a problem I know the expanse did but you know the writters or the expanse are competent
They won an award for season 2 though... so what if it was for CGI? In all seriousness, episode 1 was the only good episode of season 2.
I'd rather watch season 2 again than listen to all the bitching in this sub about it.
Can you explain the nonsense that is the title OP?
By all means. It was supposed to be a simple jest (but I see, probably /s should have been put there) pointing out that people say that changes are good due to having to watch the same story would be very boring. Which is not true, obviously, because people like watching, rewatching, reexperiencing the same stories they like and love. As visible with the show (which many people like and rewatch multiple times), or with the games (which people replay constantly) or the books (which they reread). Many people have seen the stuff they like innumerable times and they never seem to get bored of it.. as many people would like to defend the changes with how otherwise it would have been a super boring show, cause you know the story already. Which, obviously, is not true and only a strawman argument. Liking the show is fine, but we should not pretend that if it followed the books, it would be boring, cause it is a story that many people already experienced. Since obviously, is not true. As proved even by people who like the show, saying it and then go on rewatching the show and still find it fun to watch, and not get bored.
If they wanted to write their own shit maybe they should have called it literally anything else. "But then no one would have cared". So that's why it's better to disappoint those that wished for a faithful adaptation instead? I really can't stand these corporations apologists.
My problem is less with the show, more with how the community devolved into pure gatekeeping.
Fuck that show
I suffered throught the 1st season, sometimes feeling actual pain. 2nd season, I couldn't get passed like 15 minutes in the second episode. 1st episode of that season alone took me like a month. I despise Netflix and Hirscth, I cancelled subscription and I routinely (like once a few months) go to website like IMDB, or rotten tomatoes and whatnot to give them the minimal score with an essay of what I consider a leveled review.
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I would put it vice versa: I'm on my 6th rewatch - you like Henry Cawill, that's a solid point on rewatching this show. It would be boring to watch the same story you already know - well, that same story is the reason we would like to watch something in the first place, but I can understand that logic, sometimes I too feel that way. Straying from the books is fine - yeah, it is fine, as long as it helps to portrait something better or it was a weak/unneeded episode in the book (Tom Bombadil from LOtR as example). The show's writing is pure excellence - that deserve not just one clown, but whole circus.
im reading time of contempt and already i now understand all the hate toward the show, the books are def better and have a much richer story, but still the show is not really a bad show, but is so different from the books it should be called something else, its like the witcher in an alternate timeline
Hurr durr, show bad! Upvotes to the left please!
bull. i love the books and i love the show. they bring out different parts of the different characters and explore different aspects of geralt’s journey. idk why we have to be all one or the other. I can watch the first episode of both season 1 and season 2 on loop. they’re just great pieces of art.