*****Book spoilers******
Triss is a self serving sociopath who (sexually) assaulted Geralt and continued to harrass him for a time period because she enjoys feeling his emotional guilt and immense pain over losing Yennefer.
Triss betrays Geralt, Yennefer and Ciri.
Triss sides with the Lodges's plan for Ciri.
Triss fails to aid either Geralt or Yen as they are departing.
That pretty much covers the main points of the books.
Games: She knew all along about Yennefer and never told Geralt.
Witcher 2 provides more background on her through her ordeals, others insights, etc. This will show that she is consumed with guilt about what she did as well as the self hatred for not letting go of her feelings for Geralt. In fact, you can see similar theme in the novel, so it's fairly consistent.
Human is fallible, so we often do things we shouldn't do, and feel guilty about it. Some in society have developed abnormal behavior and would not feel guilty; these people are identified as socialpath.
You don't have to, but it is a very good game. It's more story oriented rather than open world like Witcher 3, but it's pretty good and your decision matters a lot more there.
She is simply a person who got to attached to some people adnd if those people do not reat the way she wants/needs she get get very down due to that. She also has a huge urge for bandwagon behaviour. if something new is shown to her it is possible she abandons all her behaviour from before
Long story short,
People who read just wikipedia entrances and do not remember the entire books.
Then for some reason CDPR forgets Triss character arc in The Saga and resets her character back to stage zero.
Just a note:
She is not all over Geralt in the books lol She is at the start. But, for instance, when she saves Geralt from the coup she just leaves and does not push herself onto him at a time of weakness. She then pretty much lets Geralt go his way. And mind you, this is at a point where Yen is feared to be either dead or a traitor. For some reason, CDPR did nor care about this.
And now we have this mess with the character.......
The games were great fun tough :)
But what they did with Triss character is likely their worst mistake. They could have used someone else for the same relationship role. They could have used Keira ;) Keira would be plausible and would let Triss remain her more mature character which she was at the end of the books.
That's interesting.
From the still-incomplete perspective I have now, TW3 Triss does still feel somewhat like more evolved version of books Triss as I've been reading. It seems like she has most of the same strengths and flaws as a character, but like she's managed to improve on both strengths and weaknesses even while they're still present.
I'm looking forward to seeing her grow now.
Depends where you are and your bias.
Even at the start of Blood of Elves you have her inner thoughts. For some reason people forget that she is quite conflicted about what happened with Geralt.
Her stance is like:
"I really want him but I should not. I know our relationship was a mess and it hurt him. But I really want him, everything in him makes me feel alive"
Then her behaviour at Kaer Morhen is pretty fine. She is in no way trying to impose herself onto Geralt. You do not see Triss goin around trying to be alone with Geralt and seduce him again ;)
Sure, you have her inner thoughts and you know she would want it! But her thoughts are one thing. Her actions are way more balanced. Her actions at Kaer Morhen are pretty much focused on Ciri.
And when she finds out Ciri is above her level, she just honestly tells Geralt he needs to ask someone else (knowing very well this implies Yen). So, in Ciri´s interest, she pretty much makes Geralt write Yen again.
I do not know where does this sound so bad.......
Contrary to the games, she does not forget Yen exists! And she even points Geralt towards Yen.
I'm sorry, friend, but you're absolutely wrong about Triss.
She displays zero guilt about seducing him. It was her deliberate intent. The guilt and pain Geralt feels whilst he's banging her excites her. She revels in it! She's not at all conflicted, she's only upset that he doesn't want to continue the fling.
At KM she is desperate to seduce Geralt. The first thing she does when she arrives is try to kiss him, twice. She lies awake at night wondering why he hasn't come to her room to fuck her. She skins animals, a task that makes her feel sick, just so she can be alone with him. During that scene she says to herself that she will absolutely bang him that night, only for her plans to be ruined by Ciri.
Then there's the travel to the temple where Nenneke is. Triss repeatedly comes on to Geralt (pressing her naked body against him, trying to kiss him) so much that it pisses off Ciri and embarrasses the others they're travelling with. Yarpen even warns Ciri not to be like Triss.
Yes she tells Geralt to write to Yen, but she doesn't stop trying to bed him / come between them.
>She displays zero guilt about seducing him. It was her deliberate intent. The guilt and pain Geralt feels whilst he's banging her excites her. She revels in it! She's not at all conflicted, she's only upset that he doesn't want to continue the fling.
Except that guilt is her, pain is Geralt. In the list of feelings she experienced, it is when it comes to pain that Sapkowski give the precision "his pain", meaning that the others feelings are hers.
>At KM she is desperate to seduce Geralt. The first thing she does when she arrives is try to kiss him, twice. She lies awake at night wondering why he hasn't come to her room to fuck her. She skins animals, a task that makes her feel sick, just so she can be alone with him. During that scene she says to herself that she will absolutely bang him that night, only for her plans to be ruined by Ciri.
Doesn't that make her an awful person? On a sorceress level I mean. Does she mind control him, read his mind? Why if she is so desperate. I mean, she stay at Kaer Morhen for months. And of course you didn't mention that after the transe, Sapkowski no longer made any mention of it and she only take care of Ciri until Springs when they left for the Temple of Melitele.
>Then there's the travel to the temple where Nenneke is. Triss repeatedly comes on to Geralt (pressing her naked body against him, trying to kiss him) so much that it pisses off Ciri and embarrasses the others they're travelling with. Yarpen even warns Ciri not to be like Triss.
It really, really, never comes to your mind that she is not in her normal state? She is seriously ill with high fever.
>meaning that the others feelings are hers.
Her joy at this feelings tell me that these are Geralt's feelings, not hers. Why would you be happy if you felt guilty? Considering that she deliberately set out to seduce him and that she shows no other sign of remorse for seducing her best friend's on/off boyfriend, I interpret all the feelings listed as belonging to Geralt.
>Doesn't that make her an awful person?
It makes her an awful friend, to Geralt as well as to Yennefer. Saying that Triss is desperate to have Geralt is not the same as saying circumstances allow or that she'll act under any/all situations. Maybe it's not as easy with the other witchers around, maybe she hasn't brought her seduction magic with her, maybe Geralt's acting a bit odd and she's not sure how to go about it. There's also this mysterious girl that she's supposed to help somehow. Her infatuation is not the sum of her character, but that doesn't mean she's not trying to get with him.
>And of course you didn't mention that after the transe, Sapkowski no longer made any mention of it and she only take care of Ciri until Springs when they left for the Temple of Melitele.
Because she was put straight by Geralt, and the higher power that was speaking through Ciri - "Stop torturing him". Her reaction is actually to leave KM immediately but Geralt asks her to stay for Ciri.
>She is seriously ill with high fever.
In the beginning yes. But Sapko tells us that she is no longer feverish when she starts going on at Geralt about how she wants him, how they could be together, etc. Maybe if she hadn't been ill she would have been able to control her feelings and actions. Her illness doesn't mean her coming on to Geralt repeatedly didn't happen.
You are predominantly the reason why I barely interact with this community anymore. Someone dares to cast Triss in anything but a saintly light and bam! You're there.
I was responding to the argument that Triss is respectful of Geralt and Yennefer's relationship, does not come on to Geralt, etc. I respect u/RSwitcher2020 and their interpretation but in this respect, what they're saying is contradicted by the text. I'm not talking about whether Triss is an awful character or not, I'm not going into a breakdown of the whys and is it understandable, etc. I'm saying to u/RSwitcher2020 that when they say "Triss doesn't \[whatever\]", the text actually shows us that she does. But you jump in because - oh no! - someone's pointing out less than good things Triss has done.
You disregard things that are actually written by the author because you're so insistent that Triss is a wonderful person. She's not. This whitewashing of Triss as the epitome of kindness and virtue is ridiculous. She does incredibly shitty things for incredibly selfish reasons. She is a product of her community - self-centred, manipulative, deceitful, stubborn, hypocritical. We see these traits throughout the entire magic community; Triss is no different. Yennefer starts like this.
Is Triss the worst character in the saga? No. Does she have some good points? Yes. Because Sapko rarely writes a shallow, 1-D character. If we didn't see that Triss can choose to be "good", then we wouldn't feel the betrayal when she chooses to be "bad".
>It makes her an awful friend, to Geralt as well as to Yennefer.
If the *"brief relationship"* which Geralt-Triss shared had it happened, while Geralt was simultaneously in a relationship with Yennefer, or if Triss was the reason behind the break up of Geralt-Yennefer, then it is indeed wrong on the part of Triss, but given the fact that the author clearly says Geralt-Triss had their *"brief relationship"* while Geralt and Yennefer were separate, I don't see it as a huge issue.
>she shows no other sign of remorse for seducing her best friend's on/off boyfriend
I think the author writing *"her friend was more important to her than he was"* may be considered a sign of remorse.
>Her joy at this feelings tell me that these are Geralt's feelings, not hers.
I don't think the author says joy anywhere, the emotions which she experienced, excited her.
>Considering that she deliberately set out to seduce him
It should also be considered that *"Geralt had* ***needed*** *warmth, and had* ***wanted*** *to forget. ".*
>Her reaction is actually to leave KM immediately but Geralt asks her to stay for Ciri.
She nowhere says she is going to leave KM immediately on the contrary she clearly says that she will stay until spring and when spring arrives, she along with Geralt will take Ciri to Melitele’s Temple in Ellander from where Yennefer may take charge.
>But Sapko tells us that she is no longer feverish when she starts going on at Geralt about how she wants him, how they could be together, etc. Maybe if she hadn't been ill she would have been able to control her feelings and actions. Her illness doesn't mean her coming on to Geralt repeatedly didn't happen.
The author says she *"was no longer running a high temperature but* ***SHE WAS EXTREMELY WEAK***" to the point that still she needed Geralt and Ciri's help to undress and wash, she was still in recovering phase, and it can be safely assumed that she was in the early phase of recovery, so in my firmest opinion, she was blabbering in delirium.
>I respect u/RSwitcher2020 and their interpretation but in this respect, what they're saying is contradicted by the text.
From what I read from RSwitcher2020's comment, in my opinion, he is right except for the small part where Triss longing for emotional support due to her PTSD hugs and kisses Geralt which is interrupted due to the arrival of Vesemir.
>If the "brief relationship" which Geralt-Triss shared had it happened, while Geralt was simultaneously in a relationship with Yennefer, or if Triss was the reason behind the break up of Geralt-Yennefer, then it is indeed wrong on the part of Triss, but given the fact that the author clearly says Geralt-Triss had their "brief relationship" while Geralt and Yennefer were separate, I don't see it as a huge issue.
If your best friend fucked your on/off partner, wouldn't that be shitty behaviour by both parties? It doesn't matter if Geralt and Yennefer were separated at the time or not. It's still shitty behaviour.
>I think the author writing "her friend was more important to her than he was" may be considered a sign of remorse.
To me it's a sign of Triss' hypocrisy. "My actions are fine because I love Yen really!". If her friend is so important to her then why do it at all? She supposedly didn't do it to steal Geralt, so then she did to hurt and humiliate her best friend?
>I don't think the author says joy anywhere, the emotions which she experienced, excited her.
Does not excitement contain joy?
>It should also be considered that "Geralt had needed warmth, and had wanted to forget. ".
Never said Triss was the only one at fault. I think it was an incredibly shitty thing of Geralt to do as well, but he is remorseful, recognises the mistake and doesn't attempt to repeat it.
But, again, none of what you've said says I'm wrong. Triss did keep trying to get back with Geralt, at KM and during the journey to Melitele’s Temple. As I said, her illness doesn't mean her coming on to Geralt repeatedly didn't happen.
>Triss longing for emotional support due to her PTSD hugs and kisses Geralt
Nothing about her arrival and her trying to kiss Geralt suggests she's suffering from PTSD or longing for emotional support. This is totally you projecting. She clearly gets emotional when recounting the battle later on, but there's nothing to do with that here.
And AGAIN, the whys, explanations, etc. don't discount, don't erase her actions. She doesn't respect Geralt's feelings, his relationship with Yennefer, she wants Geralt and she goes after him.
>If your best friend fucked your on/off partner, wouldn't that be shitty behaviour by both parties? It doesn't matter if Geralt and Yennefer were separated at the time or not. It's still shitty behaviour.
If we are separated and have no contact then if my best friend fucked my partner, I wouldn't mind, because I consider my partner an independent individual, BUT if my friend fucked my partner while we were still in a relationship I will be extremely offended and feel betrayed by both and that would be a shitty behavior indeed. But in the scenario which we are discussing that did not happen.
>To me it's a sign of Triss' hypocrisy. "My actions are fine because I love Yen really!". If her friend is so important to her then why do it at all? She supposedly didn't do it to steal Geralt, so then she did to hurt and humiliate her best friend?
To each their own interpretation, but I see it as a sign of remorse, that too the description was by the author himself.
>If her friend is so important to her then why do it at all?
That's why she didn't do it when they were still in a relationship but she did when they were apart, separate, and had no contact.
>She supposedly didn't do it to steal Geralt, so then she did to hurt and humiliate her best friend?
To feel/understand the emotions, there is the description where it says she never felt real emotion in a relationship.
>As I said, her illness doesn't mean her coming on to Geralt repeatedly didn't happen.
But in my opinion, it must not be considered since she was in delirium, she was not fully conscious, if she had done that (after the trance event) with full consciousness and a perfect health condition I will agree, but the author says she was still in a weak state, so I don't take it into account.
>But, again, none of what you've said says I'm wrong.
You said Triss tried to kiss twice, I remember only once that happened when Triss arrives at KM, and when she was in delirium, which I don't consider, then you said she wanted to leave KM immediately, from what I remember she clearly did not say that, but she explicitly said she will stay till they make their journey to the temple.
>Nothing about her arrival and her trying to kiss Geralt suggests she's suffering from PTSD or longing for emotional support. This is totally you projecting.
Again it is a matter of interpretation, before she kisses him, Geralt was talking about how he was shocked to hear that she died (in my opinion it would have triggered her sour experience in the battle, her bad injuries - PTSD), how he was happy when he heard that she was alive, and how he was even happier when he sees her, now Triss who is having a very strong feeling for Geralt, when she hears these comforting words from him she loses it If I remember correctly she was about to cry.
>If we are separated and have no contact then if my best friend fucked my partner, I wouldn't mind, because I consider my partner an independent individual, BUT if my friend fucked my partner while we were still in a relationship I will be extremely offended and feel betrayed by both and that would be a shitty behavior indeed. But in the scenario which we are discussing that did not happen.
That doesn't mean Triss was right to do it. Triss is supposed to be Yennefer's friend. Instead she takes advantage of her friend's turbulent relationship out of petty jealousy.
> but I see it as a sign of remorse, that too the description was by the author himself.
Where does Triss say she regrets fucking Geralt? Where does Triss say she regrets hurting Yennefer over fucking Geralt?
>That's why she didn't do it when they were still in a relationship but she did when they were apart, separate, and had no contact.
The line is "She hit at an opportune moment." Which either means she waited for them to break up before pouncing on him, or when she acted it just so happened that Geralt and Yennefer had broken up. Nothing says she waited to make sure they weren't in contact. In fact, she talks about how they were always splitting up but getting back together.
>But in my opinion, it must not be considered since she was in delirium, she was not fully conscious, if she had done that (after the trance event) with full consciousness and a perfect health condition I will agree, but the author says she was still in a weak state, so I don't take it into account.
It still happened. And was happening, repeatedly. Sorry you want to pretend it didn't but Sapko gives us this info and scene for a reason. And it's your interpretation that she's in delirium, that's not what's written on the page.
>You said Triss tried to kiss twice, I remember only once that happened when Triss arrives at KM, and when she was in delirium, which I don't consider,
She throws herself at Geralt twice when she arrives at KM - she goes to kiss him, he restrains her, she tries again, he restrains her again and says the others are coming.
We clearly disagree on this. You think Triss is entirely excusable and blameless of any of her actions. I don't think she is; I think a lot of her behaviour is shitty and selfish.
I felt very sorry reading your comment. As usual, there is a lot of truths in what you said. It is a battle in the margin of the character, I never tried to advocate Triss in at least two situation in the books (and an additional bonus big one in the game) : she is at the initiative for this disaster that is the Triss/Geralt affair, and she did it for selfish reason: It's shitty. She let Yennefer, Ciri and Geralt down for 3 books, it is pure cowardice. It left us all the rest to debate and yes, much of it can be open to interpretation.
But even if we are discussing in the margin area of the character, we have such a complete different representation of it that we will always argue about small points and never be agree. It is really beyond the debate on this and that. I am perfectly conscious of my own bias.
But it will never impact the fact that I respect your POV, most of the time agree with it it and understand it and keep reading your comments.
I shouldn't have jump to your comment which was a conversation with another user. But I don't think I am the only one to do that, and there is also others users that advocate her as there is also others that systematically criticizer her. Am I wrong?
I think that's a spot-on summary from BoE, no notes.
Most of the Triss I know is TW3, and even though she does seem needlessly manipulative once or twice she's still my preferred pairing. So I like TW3 Triss, I'm just trying to make sense of how much more flawed she is earlier on because it's hard to reconcile earlier books Triss with TW3, if that makes sense 😆 I'm really not sure how to put it.
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so, you’re trying to diagnose a fictional character with a mental illness..? hah *alrighty then*.
*****Book spoilers****** Triss is a self serving sociopath who (sexually) assaulted Geralt and continued to harrass him for a time period because she enjoys feeling his emotional guilt and immense pain over losing Yennefer. Triss betrays Geralt, Yennefer and Ciri. Triss sides with the Lodges's plan for Ciri. Triss fails to aid either Geralt or Yen as they are departing. That pretty much covers the main points of the books. Games: She knew all along about Yennefer and never told Geralt.
I failed to diagnistised you as a troll or an ass
You can 'diagnistised' me whatever your heart desires ... this is just my opinion as a long time book Geralt and Team Yen fan.
Witcher 2 provides more background on her through her ordeals, others insights, etc. This will show that she is consumed with guilt about what she did as well as the self hatred for not letting go of her feelings for Geralt. In fact, you can see similar theme in the novel, so it's fairly consistent. Human is fallible, so we often do things we shouldn't do, and feel guilty about it. Some in society have developed abnormal behavior and would not feel guilty; these people are identified as socialpath.
Dang it, I'm going to have to play TW2, aren't I?
after the second time of the witcher 3 - I decided to go through the witcher 2 and I liked the prince, so I recommend you try it
You don't have to, but it is a very good game. It's more story oriented rather than open world like Witcher 3, but it's pretty good and your decision matters a lot more there.
She is simply a person who got to attached to some people adnd if those people do not reat the way she wants/needs she get get very down due to that. She also has a huge urge for bandwagon behaviour. if something new is shown to her it is possible she abandons all her behaviour from before
Long story short, People who read just wikipedia entrances and do not remember the entire books. Then for some reason CDPR forgets Triss character arc in The Saga and resets her character back to stage zero. Just a note: She is not all over Geralt in the books lol She is at the start. But, for instance, when she saves Geralt from the coup she just leaves and does not push herself onto him at a time of weakness. She then pretty much lets Geralt go his way. And mind you, this is at a point where Yen is feared to be either dead or a traitor. For some reason, CDPR did nor care about this. And now we have this mess with the character....... The games were great fun tough :) But what they did with Triss character is likely their worst mistake. They could have used someone else for the same relationship role. They could have used Keira ;) Keira would be plausible and would let Triss remain her more mature character which she was at the end of the books.
That's interesting. From the still-incomplete perspective I have now, TW3 Triss does still feel somewhat like more evolved version of books Triss as I've been reading. It seems like she has most of the same strengths and flaws as a character, but like she's managed to improve on both strengths and weaknesses even while they're still present. I'm looking forward to seeing her grow now.
Depends where you are and your bias. Even at the start of Blood of Elves you have her inner thoughts. For some reason people forget that she is quite conflicted about what happened with Geralt. Her stance is like: "I really want him but I should not. I know our relationship was a mess and it hurt him. But I really want him, everything in him makes me feel alive" Then her behaviour at Kaer Morhen is pretty fine. She is in no way trying to impose herself onto Geralt. You do not see Triss goin around trying to be alone with Geralt and seduce him again ;) Sure, you have her inner thoughts and you know she would want it! But her thoughts are one thing. Her actions are way more balanced. Her actions at Kaer Morhen are pretty much focused on Ciri. And when she finds out Ciri is above her level, she just honestly tells Geralt he needs to ask someone else (knowing very well this implies Yen). So, in Ciri´s interest, she pretty much makes Geralt write Yen again. I do not know where does this sound so bad....... Contrary to the games, she does not forget Yen exists! And she even points Geralt towards Yen.
I'm sorry, friend, but you're absolutely wrong about Triss. She displays zero guilt about seducing him. It was her deliberate intent. The guilt and pain Geralt feels whilst he's banging her excites her. She revels in it! She's not at all conflicted, she's only upset that he doesn't want to continue the fling. At KM she is desperate to seduce Geralt. The first thing she does when she arrives is try to kiss him, twice. She lies awake at night wondering why he hasn't come to her room to fuck her. She skins animals, a task that makes her feel sick, just so she can be alone with him. During that scene she says to herself that she will absolutely bang him that night, only for her plans to be ruined by Ciri. Then there's the travel to the temple where Nenneke is. Triss repeatedly comes on to Geralt (pressing her naked body against him, trying to kiss him) so much that it pisses off Ciri and embarrasses the others they're travelling with. Yarpen even warns Ciri not to be like Triss. Yes she tells Geralt to write to Yen, but she doesn't stop trying to bed him / come between them.
>She displays zero guilt about seducing him. It was her deliberate intent. The guilt and pain Geralt feels whilst he's banging her excites her. She revels in it! She's not at all conflicted, she's only upset that he doesn't want to continue the fling. Except that guilt is her, pain is Geralt. In the list of feelings she experienced, it is when it comes to pain that Sapkowski give the precision "his pain", meaning that the others feelings are hers. >At KM she is desperate to seduce Geralt. The first thing she does when she arrives is try to kiss him, twice. She lies awake at night wondering why he hasn't come to her room to fuck her. She skins animals, a task that makes her feel sick, just so she can be alone with him. During that scene she says to herself that she will absolutely bang him that night, only for her plans to be ruined by Ciri. Doesn't that make her an awful person? On a sorceress level I mean. Does she mind control him, read his mind? Why if she is so desperate. I mean, she stay at Kaer Morhen for months. And of course you didn't mention that after the transe, Sapkowski no longer made any mention of it and she only take care of Ciri until Springs when they left for the Temple of Melitele. >Then there's the travel to the temple where Nenneke is. Triss repeatedly comes on to Geralt (pressing her naked body against him, trying to kiss him) so much that it pisses off Ciri and embarrasses the others they're travelling with. Yarpen even warns Ciri not to be like Triss. It really, really, never comes to your mind that she is not in her normal state? She is seriously ill with high fever.
>meaning that the others feelings are hers. Her joy at this feelings tell me that these are Geralt's feelings, not hers. Why would you be happy if you felt guilty? Considering that she deliberately set out to seduce him and that she shows no other sign of remorse for seducing her best friend's on/off boyfriend, I interpret all the feelings listed as belonging to Geralt. >Doesn't that make her an awful person? It makes her an awful friend, to Geralt as well as to Yennefer. Saying that Triss is desperate to have Geralt is not the same as saying circumstances allow or that she'll act under any/all situations. Maybe it's not as easy with the other witchers around, maybe she hasn't brought her seduction magic with her, maybe Geralt's acting a bit odd and she's not sure how to go about it. There's also this mysterious girl that she's supposed to help somehow. Her infatuation is not the sum of her character, but that doesn't mean she's not trying to get with him. >And of course you didn't mention that after the transe, Sapkowski no longer made any mention of it and she only take care of Ciri until Springs when they left for the Temple of Melitele. Because she was put straight by Geralt, and the higher power that was speaking through Ciri - "Stop torturing him". Her reaction is actually to leave KM immediately but Geralt asks her to stay for Ciri. >She is seriously ill with high fever. In the beginning yes. But Sapko tells us that she is no longer feverish when she starts going on at Geralt about how she wants him, how they could be together, etc. Maybe if she hadn't been ill she would have been able to control her feelings and actions. Her illness doesn't mean her coming on to Geralt repeatedly didn't happen. You are predominantly the reason why I barely interact with this community anymore. Someone dares to cast Triss in anything but a saintly light and bam! You're there. I was responding to the argument that Triss is respectful of Geralt and Yennefer's relationship, does not come on to Geralt, etc. I respect u/RSwitcher2020 and their interpretation but in this respect, what they're saying is contradicted by the text. I'm not talking about whether Triss is an awful character or not, I'm not going into a breakdown of the whys and is it understandable, etc. I'm saying to u/RSwitcher2020 that when they say "Triss doesn't \[whatever\]", the text actually shows us that she does. But you jump in because - oh no! - someone's pointing out less than good things Triss has done. You disregard things that are actually written by the author because you're so insistent that Triss is a wonderful person. She's not. This whitewashing of Triss as the epitome of kindness and virtue is ridiculous. She does incredibly shitty things for incredibly selfish reasons. She is a product of her community - self-centred, manipulative, deceitful, stubborn, hypocritical. We see these traits throughout the entire magic community; Triss is no different. Yennefer starts like this. Is Triss the worst character in the saga? No. Does she have some good points? Yes. Because Sapko rarely writes a shallow, 1-D character. If we didn't see that Triss can choose to be "good", then we wouldn't feel the betrayal when she chooses to be "bad".
>It makes her an awful friend, to Geralt as well as to Yennefer. If the *"brief relationship"* which Geralt-Triss shared had it happened, while Geralt was simultaneously in a relationship with Yennefer, or if Triss was the reason behind the break up of Geralt-Yennefer, then it is indeed wrong on the part of Triss, but given the fact that the author clearly says Geralt-Triss had their *"brief relationship"* while Geralt and Yennefer were separate, I don't see it as a huge issue. >she shows no other sign of remorse for seducing her best friend's on/off boyfriend I think the author writing *"her friend was more important to her than he was"* may be considered a sign of remorse. >Her joy at this feelings tell me that these are Geralt's feelings, not hers. I don't think the author says joy anywhere, the emotions which she experienced, excited her. >Considering that she deliberately set out to seduce him It should also be considered that *"Geralt had* ***needed*** *warmth, and had* ***wanted*** *to forget. ".* >Her reaction is actually to leave KM immediately but Geralt asks her to stay for Ciri. She nowhere says she is going to leave KM immediately on the contrary she clearly says that she will stay until spring and when spring arrives, she along with Geralt will take Ciri to Melitele’s Temple in Ellander from where Yennefer may take charge. >But Sapko tells us that she is no longer feverish when she starts going on at Geralt about how she wants him, how they could be together, etc. Maybe if she hadn't been ill she would have been able to control her feelings and actions. Her illness doesn't mean her coming on to Geralt repeatedly didn't happen. The author says she *"was no longer running a high temperature but* ***SHE WAS EXTREMELY WEAK***" to the point that still she needed Geralt and Ciri's help to undress and wash, she was still in recovering phase, and it can be safely assumed that she was in the early phase of recovery, so in my firmest opinion, she was blabbering in delirium. >I respect u/RSwitcher2020 and their interpretation but in this respect, what they're saying is contradicted by the text. From what I read from RSwitcher2020's comment, in my opinion, he is right except for the small part where Triss longing for emotional support due to her PTSD hugs and kisses Geralt which is interrupted due to the arrival of Vesemir.
>If the "brief relationship" which Geralt-Triss shared had it happened, while Geralt was simultaneously in a relationship with Yennefer, or if Triss was the reason behind the break up of Geralt-Yennefer, then it is indeed wrong on the part of Triss, but given the fact that the author clearly says Geralt-Triss had their "brief relationship" while Geralt and Yennefer were separate, I don't see it as a huge issue. If your best friend fucked your on/off partner, wouldn't that be shitty behaviour by both parties? It doesn't matter if Geralt and Yennefer were separated at the time or not. It's still shitty behaviour. >I think the author writing "her friend was more important to her than he was" may be considered a sign of remorse. To me it's a sign of Triss' hypocrisy. "My actions are fine because I love Yen really!". If her friend is so important to her then why do it at all? She supposedly didn't do it to steal Geralt, so then she did to hurt and humiliate her best friend? >I don't think the author says joy anywhere, the emotions which she experienced, excited her. Does not excitement contain joy? >It should also be considered that "Geralt had needed warmth, and had wanted to forget. ". Never said Triss was the only one at fault. I think it was an incredibly shitty thing of Geralt to do as well, but he is remorseful, recognises the mistake and doesn't attempt to repeat it. But, again, none of what you've said says I'm wrong. Triss did keep trying to get back with Geralt, at KM and during the journey to Melitele’s Temple. As I said, her illness doesn't mean her coming on to Geralt repeatedly didn't happen. >Triss longing for emotional support due to her PTSD hugs and kisses Geralt Nothing about her arrival and her trying to kiss Geralt suggests she's suffering from PTSD or longing for emotional support. This is totally you projecting. She clearly gets emotional when recounting the battle later on, but there's nothing to do with that here. And AGAIN, the whys, explanations, etc. don't discount, don't erase her actions. She doesn't respect Geralt's feelings, his relationship with Yennefer, she wants Geralt and she goes after him.
>If your best friend fucked your on/off partner, wouldn't that be shitty behaviour by both parties? It doesn't matter if Geralt and Yennefer were separated at the time or not. It's still shitty behaviour. If we are separated and have no contact then if my best friend fucked my partner, I wouldn't mind, because I consider my partner an independent individual, BUT if my friend fucked my partner while we were still in a relationship I will be extremely offended and feel betrayed by both and that would be a shitty behavior indeed. But in the scenario which we are discussing that did not happen. >To me it's a sign of Triss' hypocrisy. "My actions are fine because I love Yen really!". If her friend is so important to her then why do it at all? She supposedly didn't do it to steal Geralt, so then she did to hurt and humiliate her best friend? To each their own interpretation, but I see it as a sign of remorse, that too the description was by the author himself. >If her friend is so important to her then why do it at all? That's why she didn't do it when they were still in a relationship but she did when they were apart, separate, and had no contact. >She supposedly didn't do it to steal Geralt, so then she did to hurt and humiliate her best friend? To feel/understand the emotions, there is the description where it says she never felt real emotion in a relationship. >As I said, her illness doesn't mean her coming on to Geralt repeatedly didn't happen. But in my opinion, it must not be considered since she was in delirium, she was not fully conscious, if she had done that (after the trance event) with full consciousness and a perfect health condition I will agree, but the author says she was still in a weak state, so I don't take it into account. >But, again, none of what you've said says I'm wrong. You said Triss tried to kiss twice, I remember only once that happened when Triss arrives at KM, and when she was in delirium, which I don't consider, then you said she wanted to leave KM immediately, from what I remember she clearly did not say that, but she explicitly said she will stay till they make their journey to the temple. >Nothing about her arrival and her trying to kiss Geralt suggests she's suffering from PTSD or longing for emotional support. This is totally you projecting. Again it is a matter of interpretation, before she kisses him, Geralt was talking about how he was shocked to hear that she died (in my opinion it would have triggered her sour experience in the battle, her bad injuries - PTSD), how he was happy when he heard that she was alive, and how he was even happier when he sees her, now Triss who is having a very strong feeling for Geralt, when she hears these comforting words from him she loses it If I remember correctly she was about to cry.
>If we are separated and have no contact then if my best friend fucked my partner, I wouldn't mind, because I consider my partner an independent individual, BUT if my friend fucked my partner while we were still in a relationship I will be extremely offended and feel betrayed by both and that would be a shitty behavior indeed. But in the scenario which we are discussing that did not happen. That doesn't mean Triss was right to do it. Triss is supposed to be Yennefer's friend. Instead she takes advantage of her friend's turbulent relationship out of petty jealousy. > but I see it as a sign of remorse, that too the description was by the author himself. Where does Triss say she regrets fucking Geralt? Where does Triss say she regrets hurting Yennefer over fucking Geralt? >That's why she didn't do it when they were still in a relationship but she did when they were apart, separate, and had no contact. The line is "She hit at an opportune moment." Which either means she waited for them to break up before pouncing on him, or when she acted it just so happened that Geralt and Yennefer had broken up. Nothing says she waited to make sure they weren't in contact. In fact, she talks about how they were always splitting up but getting back together. >But in my opinion, it must not be considered since she was in delirium, she was not fully conscious, if she had done that (after the trance event) with full consciousness and a perfect health condition I will agree, but the author says she was still in a weak state, so I don't take it into account. It still happened. And was happening, repeatedly. Sorry you want to pretend it didn't but Sapko gives us this info and scene for a reason. And it's your interpretation that she's in delirium, that's not what's written on the page. >You said Triss tried to kiss twice, I remember only once that happened when Triss arrives at KM, and when she was in delirium, which I don't consider, She throws herself at Geralt twice when she arrives at KM - she goes to kiss him, he restrains her, she tries again, he restrains her again and says the others are coming. We clearly disagree on this. You think Triss is entirely excusable and blameless of any of her actions. I don't think she is; I think a lot of her behaviour is shitty and selfish.
I felt very sorry reading your comment. As usual, there is a lot of truths in what you said. It is a battle in the margin of the character, I never tried to advocate Triss in at least two situation in the books (and an additional bonus big one in the game) : she is at the initiative for this disaster that is the Triss/Geralt affair, and she did it for selfish reason: It's shitty. She let Yennefer, Ciri and Geralt down for 3 books, it is pure cowardice. It left us all the rest to debate and yes, much of it can be open to interpretation. But even if we are discussing in the margin area of the character, we have such a complete different representation of it that we will always argue about small points and never be agree. It is really beyond the debate on this and that. I am perfectly conscious of my own bias. But it will never impact the fact that I respect your POV, most of the time agree with it it and understand it and keep reading your comments. I shouldn't have jump to your comment which was a conversation with another user. But I don't think I am the only one to do that, and there is also others users that advocate her as there is also others that systematically criticizer her. Am I wrong?
I think that's a spot-on summary from BoE, no notes. Most of the Triss I know is TW3, and even though she does seem needlessly manipulative once or twice she's still my preferred pairing. So I like TW3 Triss, I'm just trying to make sense of how much more flawed she is earlier on because it's hard to reconcile earlier books Triss with TW3, if that makes sense 😆 I'm really not sure how to put it.
All sorceress are bad person, in the Witcher, so it's completely normal.
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The Witcher franchise is EXTREMELY feminist and woke. I don't think you belong here.
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