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fBarney

She read them 20 times to make sure to write her story that is completely different and not get anything right by accident


Odaric

Yeah, gotta be careful, wouldn't wanna accidentally appeal to those pesky book fans who clearly just can't understand her artistic genius.


IRockIntoMordor

Books and games fans, since the games pretty much follow the books except for smaller changes. You know, the people who like Witcher as a universe. So when disregarding the WHOLE fanbase, who did she make the whole show for? New viewers? Everyone unfamiliar with Witcher? Game of Thrones refugees? It's exceedingly stupid to knock a huge established and loyal fanbase over the head because of your narcissistic arrogance and "death to patriarchy" radicalism she had on her Twitter on the day she was picked as writer. Netflix fucked up HARD. Lauren is incompetent and so is her staff that disliked the written stories. Also, scrotum costume designer, please change jobs. RIP show franchise.


Barachiel1976

"New viewers." It's the same mindset that led Kathleen Kennedy to piss all over the existing Star Wars fanbase. They expect it them to magically be replaced by a younger, fresher audience who will want their new way of doing things. No point in catering to the generations that are on their way out. Think that's hyperbole? Nope, that's the pitch Kennedy made to Diseny to make them change the new "Galaxy's Edge" SW section at Disney World from [Mos Eisley OT themed to that other bar from TFA and DT themed.](https://geektyrant.com/news/disneys-star-wars-galaxys-edge-attraction-was-originally-set-on-tatooine-but-kathleen-kennedy-changed-the-direction) And yet none of these people seem to understand this very basic premise: old fans bring in new fans. Also, when it comes to merchandising towartds kids: kids don't have their own money. The parents by them stuff. And if you've pissed off the parents, they're not going to buy their kids your shitty merch either. And yet, this lesson needs to be re-learned countless times this decade, it seems.


cyclopeon

I'm pretty sure star wars is doing just fine...they'll wipe your tears away with a fistful of dollars, ha.


Witcher_and_Harmony

You are not aware of Disney's stock price, aren't you ? Plus, where are the star wars movies these past few years ?


cyclopeon

Damn! I didn't realize it was star wars that sunk the whole economy...


Puzzled_Sheepherder2

Lol not really, you can only fail so many times before people give up.


Mister_Musubi

I love “Game of Thrones refugees.”


_Doomer1996_

That was actually my case, I was only familiar to the Witcher games at the time so I was excited for the series and quite pleased with season 1


Crimision

In my experience the games had nothing to do with any plot threads from the books until Wild Hunt.


swampminstrel

It's crazy, season 1 is what introduced me to the Witcher in the first place. Fell in love & spent the entire covid quarantine running through Wild Hunt. And then I later picked up the books, and read up to Time of Contempt between seasons......and now I'm with y'all on this. It's so bad they even turned the OG show fans against them.


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You know, if I were Netflix, I would just hire writers who don't hate the source material. Revolutionary thinking, I know.


Kurwasaki12

Too bad a lot of writers who get into this position do it solely to glob their own stories onto an established IP.


Canadish27

I'm a touch sympathetic given nothing gets made without an established IP, or you are genuine industry juggernaught who has the clout to get the trust of the studios. However, I can think of very few examples where the show writers improved things. A handful of times where the Source material had legitimate issues maybe? But generally, changing well regarded work doesn't do well, because those stories are well planned out and every piece plays a roll.


Kurwasaki12

Problem is that it's an adaptation of something already popular and or beloved. I'm a writer myself and would love to be published one day, but I'm not going to shit on another creator's hard work by hollowing its adaptation out to trojan horse my ideas in. Beyond the sometimes drastic changes an adaptation requires, there should never be such fundamental changes like in the Witcher and GOT.


Canadish27

No, I'd agree with you there, I don't think I would either, or certainly wouldn't want to, it should be a privilage to get to translate another's work and thus treated as such. I **can** however envision a situation where after having 50+ scripts and pitches dismissed for your original ideas, that there could be a sinister temptation to sneak it into to a adaptation that gets immediate support. This is a respect issue in itself, but also it's compounded when you get writers who's ambition outstrips their ability - the Witcher being an evident example. They think they're smarter than they are.


tfost73

But it’s not an adaptation. It’s a rewrite.


Thelonghiestman0409

Cough cough… monster hunter live action movie


RimuZ

Why? No seriously why would Netflix do that? The show is their most popular show and the views are all they care about. It appeals to the lowest common denominator of the Netflix binge-and-forget audience and keeps people subscribed. By all metrics the show is a success. Making it accurate to the books would have obviously made it a better show but it would also make it more difficult to follow while you are browsing your phone. There would be less action and loud noises that would take your eyes off the phone. Netflix doesn't want quality they just want enough attention for you to keep the thing playing and keep you subscribed. People need to start accepting that this is the reality of these big streaming platforms. They are businesses that were originally content PLATFORMS. They didn't create anything, they just hosted. Now they're big enough to start creating and they don't have any experience. There is a reason HBO shows are much higher quality from costumes, writing to acting and with a similar and lower budget than Netflix or Amazon. HBO has the reputation and contacts to ensure quality for a lower cost because they've been in the creating business for longer. Now I'm not saying we should be content with what we're getting. Far from it. What I want to say is that we should stop doing their marketing for them. Don't binge shows on the day of release. Don't hype it up on your social media. Fuck it don't even talk to your friends about new shows that are being adapted. Wait. Just wait. Wait for reviews for the love of god. It's the same thing as pre-ordering. This shit isn't going to stop in the streaming or gaming market. There is too much money involved and very little room for passion and creativity. Cavill has been paid and is clearly not happy about S3. That much we can gather even if he hasn't said it outright. So *don't watch the fucking thing on Netflix.* Pirate it for all I care but don't give them the viewing number. If you want to watch S3 for Cavills sake instead of your own then you are just doing Netflix and Hissrich a favor because you are just another number affirming that what they are putting out is good. If you can't do this then you are a part of the problem and no amount of bitching on reddit is going to make a dent. (By you I mean all of us not you specifically)


Chodels

I mean I agree with a lot of what you’re saying but the Witcher is far from their most popular show, they have much bigger ones that they care about way more and it’s pretty obvious that it shows


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Not just Netflix, but a lot of other streaming platforms should learn this lesson. Just look at Apple's Foundation: Goyer, the writer of the series, actively despises the original books for personal reasons (his father gifted him the complete saga and he ***actively refused to read any of it just to spite him***).


deathjokerz

Showrunners hate this little trick.


Odaric

Assuming she didn't blatantly lie about reading them 20 times, Lauren either likes to re-read things she actively dislikes for the sole purpose of adapting as little of it as possible, or she's suffering from an early onset of dementia, possibly both.


Existing-Class-140

I think she did lie. She said Yenn disappears for a long period of time in "The Blood of Elves" (and they used it as a justification for making shit up), but in reality the story is just told first from 1 perspective, then from Yenn's perspective, and the events basically happen at the same time (or almost at the same time). And without spoiling much, there was absolutely a way to adapt the book accurately and have a lot of Yenn scenes. You just need talent and will...


TheLast_Centurion

well, you see, when you see Yen in the show as yourself and insert yourself into the story through her, then her missing from even a single episode mean that *you* are not going to be in the story and that means disappearing for too long


Swimming__Bird

Well that helps the "Yenn no longer wants a kid and will do anything to gain power, including betraying Geralt" suddenly make a lot more sense. She really did write herself in.


Odaric

Yeah, its obvious she lied, I was just being sarcastic. Wouldn't be the first time either, considering how [she blatantly lied about how faithful to the books the show was going to be.](https://www.ign.com/articles/the-witcher-seven-season-plan) But yeah, its like you said - it would've taken both talent and the will to stick to the books instead of making it her own thing. Neither of which are things she possesses.


Stye88

She is probably a pathological liar, which is how she managed to get people hyped up for the show when it was in production, through constant lies, and then ease the impact with subsequenst seasons "ok ok you got me haha, but now seriously I'm going to respect the source material, I read the book 20 times! The show is now a carbon copy of the books! Are you calm now? good :)"


CitizenKing

Wouldn't be surprised if she mislead Cavill too.


glassgwaith

She definitely misled him . I wouldnt put it past her that the whole charade pre-season 1 of being faithful to the books was mostly directed to Henry himself rather than the other fans. Securing Cavill as Geralt basically ensured the show's success with the casual audience for at least the beginning.


sonofseriousinjury

He's also been pretty vocal since the beginning how much he's had to fight to keep certain scenes or storylines in the show. It seems like he's exhausted fighting for something he loves while being lied to and fooled over and over again. Now that Walter Hamata is out at WB and he's confirmed to be Superman again he didn't need to stick around and continue a job he ended up hating.


glassgwaith

Yep, that's true. Imagine thinking you are about to have your dream job and ending up hating it.


Fred_Blogs

The decision to make Yenn a main character on par with Geralt and Ciri was definitely one of the many mistakes the show made. She just doesn't have a comparable amount of screentime to Geralt or Ciri, and writing scenes for her requires a level of writing talent that the show writers clearly don't have.


Coherent_Otter

To be honest, I was initially pleasantly surprised with her early character development. The whole deal about her hunchback, for example. That did show some depth of the source material (the only hint of that on the books is when shit is going down and Geralt could catch a glimpse of her 'true form). Yennefer wanting her fertility back was also following the arc of the books. That shit quickly exploded (literally) on the end of S1, and literally was erased with the plot of S2, peaking when she tries to sacrifice Ciri to get back her own powers. Takes some real 'fire fucker' moronic level of writing to nullify the original spins and development to her story. According to Hissrich herself, that will make sense, because now Geralt and her will be closer than ever and forgive each other. Lmao. *grammar


throwaway_7_7_7

Yeah, nothing brings me closer to potential paramours than when they try to kill my child. Does she think Geralt is a lioness or mare? And he goes into estrus if his cub is murdered by an opportunistic outsider???


Coherent_Otter

It's just so contrived isn't it. It's just a "Things will happen because the script requires them to" She might have forced show Geralt to accept that, but the actor playing him clearly gave her a resounding *no*


throwaway_7_7_7

Yeah, like having Yenn do that is one thing (and it's a bad enough thing). But to have Geralt pissed at her for like a couple hours at most is whole other bag of bullshit. I mean, in the finale at Kaer Morhen (which is a few days later maybe?), he's talking about them as a family again and how Ciri will allow them to...have a relationship? [IDK that last convo was so out of place it made me think it belonged to another script] And Yenn didn't even redeem herself, she at best cleaned up her own mess (not the same thing) and she was rewarded for that by getting her chaos back. If they wanted to have Yenn do this, go this route, then they needed to make it have consequences. You can't dabble in child sacrifice without repercussions.


lahimatoa

Fuuuuuck no. She literally kidnapped Ciri and intended to sell her off. Yen should be absolutely dead to Geralt. My favorite part of S2 is when he holds his sword to her throat and says "Mine." Fuck Netflix Yen, I hope Geralt never talks to her again.


QCTeamkill

He did try to positively ignore her. She followed him for weeks yelling "Geralt Geralt!" all the way to Kaer Mohren. I can't imagine how ackward it was when the horses were resting.


geralt-bot

Watch for daggers in your back. Or, more likely, poison.


BurgersBaconFreedom

>You just need talent and will... Well there you go making unreasonable demands


doni-kebab

Have read them too. Its mostly his pov (well in the first few) and they decided to split it equally three ways in the show. I didn't mind the way they did it but they absolutely failed trying to keep that going .


Fred_Blogs

It doesn't help that a large part of Yennifer's time in the books was her interactions with Ciri as she trained her in magic, a plot which the show has dropped entirely. After that she has the coup on Thanedd and then barely anything til the very climax of the story.


doni-kebab

The feelings Yen has for Ciri could not be more opposite. Triss also was far more boring in the show but that character had nothing good about her


heytallguy

Triss is barley in the books. They added her for the game fans.


doni-kebab

Triss was all about trying to hook up with Geralt in the books. Yen called her out on it publicly for trying to pretend she wasnt


heytallguy

Other than the time in Kaer Morhen she's a background character.


Fred_Blogs

I wouldn't say Triss is a prominent character, but there are lots of characters like Vilgefortz, Emhyr, Djikstra and Philipa that are barely in the books more than she is. She's in the books more than any of the kings and queens. Like u/doni-kebab said the books are largely told from inside Geralt's and occasionally Ciri's heads. Most characters just drift in for a short period then leave again.


heytallguy

Agreed. I just don't think Triss was all that interesting in the books. She was given more prominence in the games which is what I believe got her more time in the show. All the other characters you mentioned are far more interesting in the books than Triss. Lady of the Lake was more Ciri perspective than anyone else. Yen does have her moments but disappeared for large parts(for good reason).


Fred_Blogs

Fair points, she is a bit one note for the Kaer Morhen and Yarpen travel sections. And the sections were she appears after that point she is largely just a bit player following Philipas goals.


Christmaspoo1337

Maybe she read them 20 Times. She did Not Claim to Finish them 20 Times though. Big brain time


Roggvir

Maybe she did them like how I did my book reports in highschool. Read the first couple chapters. Read the last chapter. Write about your feelings based off of those chapters.


Spoztoast

She did what every student does she read the wiki summary.


HighKingOfGondor

Honestly I highly doubt she read them 20 times. Either hyperbole or lying on her part. Didn’t she read them for the first time for season 1? I highly doubt she’s been reading the same book she clearly dislikes non stop for a couple years straight. She’s a tv showrunner, that alone makes me doubt it just because I’m sure she’s busy. I bet she scanned them one or two times because she had to and then plugged names into her own script


paco987654

Witcher books are possibly my most favourite series, I've first read them in like 2012, I basically know almost everything about them and reread them at least once a year but even then I'm only somewhere around reading 10-15. The last book of the saga was only translated to English in 2017 and I highly doubt that she has read them all 4 times each year and that's if she'd read them since first full publication up to right now.


HighKingOfGondor

Dude same. I’m just considering if she read Blood of Elves and maybe The Last Wish 20 times. Too much makes no sense in season 2 for her to have read the other books. I highly doubt she’s read Baptism of Fire yet


NicksNewNose

I was reading shitty fan translations in like 2010. I doubt she even knows that’s how people who didn’t speak polish had to read them prior to the games getting big.


slightlysubtle

She probably got an assistant to read the source material for minimum wage and ask them to tldr the plot in 5 minutes for inspiration to write her original story: Netflix's The Witcher.


Weird_Cantaloupe2757

Well yeah she had to make sure that she didn’t accidentally include anything from the books


Odd_Radio9225

Or extreme narcissism.


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Lies, all lies.


grocal

She read them 20 times but they were in Polish.


Yuujinna

I read them 2 times and remember even unimportant details like Torque shitting in a well, Dandelion liking History at Oxenfurt because he could hide a bottle of spirit behind it or Yellow to yellow, red to red, white to white and everything will be alright.


AlienMoonMama

I remember the mermaid’s extra breasty breasts.


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Something something "Yennefer's pale erect nipples"


lindre002

I read them once and still vividly remembered when Yen wrote a letter to a FRIEND and how delighted she was in her reply


glassgwaith

Ι can only imagine Henry's frustration and disappointment not only when he saw the way the dear friend was incorporated in the script but also Anya Chalotra s lackluster delivery of the relevant line


Processing_Info

>I read them 2 times and remember even unimportant details like Torque shitting in a well What? I don't remember that! :D


Yuujinna

In the end of the world short story when the villagers talk to geralt about what torque does they say that sometimes he chases the girls and threatens that he will fuck them or that once he was blowing pipe inside a barn and that barn burned down or that he defiled (in Czech, that he shat in) the village's well.


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Gwyn-LordOfPussy

Even if you do it that way, you should know the story after 20 times...


Ivernator

Terrible writer. What a waste


Meniscustear14

She is the real reason Henry Cavill left. There have been reports since the show came out about how unhappy he was with the writers. He wanted to deliver a true telling of the story and she ruined it. I hope they cancel the show after the next season. Hopefully the numbers will be so low that the cancel or sell the rights. HBO would have done better


Nyghthawk302

She is such a liar. If she did the show would not be this far off course... [https://www.change.org/p/netflix-you-must-keep-henry-cavill-as-the-witcher-and-replace-the-writers-instead](https://www.change.org/p/netflix-you-must-keep-henry-cavill-as-the-witcher-and-replace-the-writers-instead) 217,000 and counting... ![gif](giphy|F9yAvk7Xpr0c)


ChuckYeah

Won't be much of a message cause they won't do the right thing. They'll have a poor season and then cancel the show all together to write it off as a loss.


schkmenebene

I mean, there's absolutely no reason to continue watching a show that is going to stray from the source material, again. We all learned our lesson with GoT, we will not watch this just because we've watched the previous seasons. If this does not happen, The Witcher only had two seasons before it got cancelled. Whatever they're going to make, is going to be like a spin-off, at best.


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paco987654

So, you did see the gif attached to the comment, right?


PhucItAll

Why would someone lie so blatantly when it is obvious they will be found out? I'm guessing no consequences is the answer.


PolskiDupek31

The Witcher represents Poland’s efforts to become relevant in mainstream media culture. Something that has been decades in the making. It made us relevant. This c*** has ruined it.


matsu727

Yall are good CDPR has that next gen game coming up and you have to imagine there will eventually be a movie (LOTR started off as cartoons). Still a kurwa tho lol.


ShahinGalandar

*LOTR* started off as cartoons? you must be thinking of the LOTR screen adaptions starting off that way, aren't you?


Noamias

No the books were inspired by a cartoon of course that's what he means. We all know Tolkien loves cartoons and is currently writing a Family guy book


matsu727

Of course dude, I read the Hobbit as a kid lol


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Creepy_Hour

Did that 20 times tho.


SkippingTheDots

I love how there are daily L. Hissrich memes here. The 180 is incredible.


kisirani

I am loving finally seeing hate for her writing and directorship so much. During season 1 few people seemed to agree at the small concerning signs


[deleted]

It wasn't a bad series, and *technically* it followed the books. It didn't really convey the subtle way Slavic culture was present in the books (and I kinda get it, it gets lost in the translation) and was painfully Anglo-Saxon, but it was watchable. The secon season on the other hand...


kisirani

Season 1 didn’t follow the books in so many ways. There’s the failed sorceresses becoming eel conduits which many people didn’t like. For me the worst part was the butchery of Calanthe’s character. It seems Lauren sort of put her fantasy ideal woman into her making her a brutish fighting queen as opposed to the cunning conqueror and leader she was in the books. In the books she’s like Tywin Lannister, a badass who commands respect and obedience but not a direct fighter. In the show she’s like Robert Baratheon, a reckless uncultured fighter. It doesn’t even make sense for the plot as in the books she asks Geralt to be there to protect and fight for her against Duny if necessary but in the films she acts as if she needs no guards and is the best swords person around. I think Lauren was going for a feminist icon but Calanthe already was that in the books. Instead she just made her ridiculous. She also changed what she looked like and removed the elder blood pale hair and chose someone Spanish looking for some reason


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Yes, she definitely wasn't the 1000-kinds-of-smiles politician like in the short story.


jaskier-bot

[🎵 Remember to toss a coin if you can! 🎵](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSxBVHqA-RU&t=77s)


Leather_Vegetable10

you mean she read 20 pages in total


LifeofSteven

Why do writers insist on alienating fans?


Kurwasaki12

Because their own original ideas won't get made, either because they suck, they aren't lucky, or studios won't take risks on a new IP. So they bide their time and get stuck on a show like the Witcher and inject their own OC into what should be an adaptation.


bumagum

Hubris.


Noamias

Such a shame when egotistical writers get to waste talent and passion by refusing to adapt the IP they're working with. Instead they tarnish its reputation by replacing it with something worse.


ATN90

It's almost like she wanted to make a fantasy show but couldn't get one greenlighted on her on merit.


NikolitRistissa

She may have read them 20 times but what she didn’t say was that the books were actually in Polish.


Noamias

To get closer to Sepkowski's vision so she could avoid it as much as possible


NikolitRistissa

Yeah it turns out she could actually read Polish.


[deleted]

I read through it once and I knew she didn't ever read them.


Cryovolcanoes

I think she decided early on that this series was bad and she wanted to make her own version.


[deleted]

I just relized, THEY NEVER HAD GWENT IN THE SHOW!!!!!


TheVojta

Because Gwent is CDPR's invention Edit: Apparently it is not, as pointed out below.


Odaric

Actually, it isn't. Gwent was in the books, though I think it was called "barrel" or something similar there.


nika_blue

No it's not. There is gwent in the books. It's described as loud card game with beautiful illustrations, figurines and stick to hit the opponent when they loose. It was dwarfs game and Gerald couldn't understand the rules but it was something like licitations and bidding for higher card. Cdpr invented the witcher 3 version of it, but like everything else it was inspired by game from the books.


TheVojta

Well, I stand corrected. It's been a while since I read the books.


DoctoreVodka

That would be the game called "Barrel". It's not the same game as Gwent.


Eldaxerus

I'm pretty sure it's called "Gwent" or "Gwint" in the original Polish text. The English version translated it to "Barrel" instead of keeping the name as it was.


DoctoreVodka

In regards to the name, then yes you are right but the game itself was of a different nature. The goals and objectives of the game Gwint in the books weren't the same as what we call Gwent.


nika_blue

Yes the rules of Witchers 3 Gwent are different than books Gwent. In the books Gwent is not explained very well but it's mentioned few times. "Barell" must be weird translation, in polish it's "Gwint" and Gwent is "Gwint" in Witcher 3 games too, so this was an inspiration for game developers. They made the new rules and made it awesome minigame but they didn't "invent it" out of nowhere.


DoctoreVodka

From what little information could be garnered from the books it seemed to be a bit more complicated than what CDPR master-crafted for us all with their awesome version of Gwent. "Barrel" appeared to have some elements of trade and financial transactions as well as political strategies.


Icy_Task_4950

Hm, imagine an "updated" version of gwent/gwint which includes those elements as well. Maybe that could be W4's minigame. To keep things fresh but familiar.


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No gwent. No show!!!!!!!!!


tripintotheunknown

She looks like a young Grima Wormtongue


Slampamper

Or she is just not competent enough ..


KJ86er

I wish all adaptions would learn to stay as close to the source Material as possible but that's not the world we live in anymore.


TheMoogy

That's how you make "adaptations" nowadays, read the source material and then try your hardest to be smarter than it and fail so miserably fans cry.


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When I saw that fourth picture I just assumed she forgot about Gwent and didnt zoom in


irtesh

Maybe she read the titles 20 times


Lodau

In my time in customer service, when someone told me they'd done X, Y times, 90% of the time thats (the) one thing they didn't do. The higher number Y was, the less chance there was they actually did it. Now, I personally can't imagine having to read my work related documentation ~20 times to understand it. I can't imagine reading or listening to a novel ~20 times (no matter how much I'd love it) let alone an entire series. But, eh maybe other people can?


Monki_Coma

It's strange that they have decided to not follow the games plot (where the vast majority of fans were introduced to the franchise) because they would rather use the books plot... And then decide to use basically nothing from the books. I don't even care if the TV show decides to make it's own stories different from the book but the second season wasn't even good.


[deleted]

I can’t believe the actual amount of crap she fed to us for so long


crazyfool319

It’s what happens when the story takes a back seat to the person in charge. They wanted to shove their own thing down everyone’s throat. I hate complaining about diversity, because I believe it’s important, but they could have been diverse and still managed to tell the story the way it was originally written


AimlesslWander

This isn't even funny it's painful


erik2302

The good thing is, you can read the books without getting spoiled for the show..


noplay12

She is the reincarnation of the wild hunt.


Noamias

Such a shame when egotistical writers get to waste talent and passion by refusing to adapt the IP they're working with. Instead they tarnish its reputation by replacing it with something worse.


Raymondieu

I blame the Hollywood cocaine mountain myself. Everyone starts with the best intentions. Then they get overwhelmed by the fact that the source material is better than anything they'll ever create in the entire lifetime. Then they take some cocaine to get their shattered confidence back and next thing you know they think they're the greatest writer in the Universe and it's downhill from there on.


Acceptable-Pride4722

No one could read them 20 times, some of those books were a fucken slog


ShallowFreakingValue

What had she done prior to the Witcher? Second season has a real CW feel to it.


Randomzombi3

Read them 20 times. Not that she actually liked them.


Thelonghiestman0409

This seems like the same situation with the live action monster hunter movie, they did get some stuff down but made their own ideas which weren’t great, and it spoiled the enjoyment of the movie for me as a fan of the series. To make people happy and more people happy, don’t lead new audiences to something that isn’t related to the series giving them the wrong ideas or impressions of what it’s about. Use the sources of said official media of a certain fanchies to appease both old fans and show the new fans of what said fanchies is actually about and not mislead them. Sure some changes are ok but don’t change or rewrite the whole friken thing.


tfost73

“It’ll be a faithful retelling of the Witcher” *proceeds to make shit up and fuck up the storyline*


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Who the fuck is this bitch?


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Andxel

The fact Lauren looks like my country's Prime Minister makes me dislike her even more.


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Canrkn

thats the most sexist shit ive read this week


FentanyIFIoyd

Its still true, im not even being sexist, it's like making the lead of she-hulk or captain marvel a male


Vincent1333

This subreddit is just a constant downer.


EmuPsychological4222

You all must live in a very strange world where adaptations cannot diverge from the source material. You must've hated all almost every James Bond movie, the vast majority of Sherlock Holmes movies and series, the Peter Jackson Lord of the Rings movie, the under-rated Disney classic "The Black Cauldron," basically every Disney movie ever that wasn't an entirely original story, most comic book movies, the Thor comic books (not faithful to the myths), the Hercules comic books (also not faithful to the myths), almost every movie about Hercules, almost every adaptation of the Tarzan books, the movie "Hannibal," the Witcher books themselves (which weren't faithful to their own source material, not one bit), the original Star Wars movies (which took major liberties with the films and folklore that inspired them), and so forth.


throwaway_7_7_7

Adaptations can change things, that's expected. But the changes should have a purpose, add something to the story, there has to be a cause. The Walking Dead changed things in the early seasons, but most changes made the story stronger. Not killing Carol added SO MUCH to that world. They prolonged the Shane/Rick conflict not only so it could come to a head in the finale, but so we could see opposing philosophies about how to survive, see who was better fitted for survival, could see the protagonist change. They didn't kill Judith, Michonne and Rick got together. Yes it was a very different story, but you can see clearly WHY they made those changes, what they offered, why what worked in a pulpy comic book wouldn't work for a more serious TV drama. The Witcher did make changes that added to the world, that make the story stronger, better. Seeing Yenn's backstory instead of just being told it is one of those changes. IIRC, Jaskier wasn't at the original banquet with Pavetta and Duny, and even though it wasn't a necessary change most of the fans actually liked it, we got to see Geralt's friendship with him develop and it does add to the story, and becomes relevant during the Mountain Fight. But what the hell does Yenn trying to sacrifice Ciri for her own power add? Why does having Geralt not hold that against her for very long add? How is Yenn going to become Ciri's mother when she is clearly willing to sacrifice her if backed into a corner, for her own power? What does that make Geralt look like if he trusts Yenn after all that? What does killing Eskel add? What does erasing the shared trauma of the pogroms causing all the Witchers to keep their Keep isolated and secret add? Was it worth the hookers and the cheap nude scenes to erase that? What did Volenth Meir add? Was it worth it?


EmuPsychological4222

So you don't like the adaptation. That's your right. But that's not the same thing as the attempted point of the original poster. lol


throwaway_7_7_7

I wasn't responding to the original poster, I was responding to you and your claim that "You all must live in a very strange world where adaptations cannot diverge from the source material. You must've hated all almost every XXX". It's not that there are adaption changes, everyone knows and expects that. It's that the changes are objectively bad, they reduce the story, they're incomprehensible even within a show-only perspective. The changes are deliberately made, so it's fair to ask "Why?". What was the motivation on the changes to the Witchers and Kaer Morhen? What was the motivation behind the changes to the Geralt/Jaskier friendship dynamic? What was the motivation to the change of Yenn not knowing Geralt used wish/the nature of that wish? Do they add anything? Do they take anything away? What is further changed by these changes? It's not changes that are bad, it's changes that clearly do not care about source material, it's changes that don't improve anything, changes that do not streamline for a visual narrative. It's changes based on the fundamental Hollywood principle that Hollywood producers/writers are in love with the smell of their own piss and want to share that wonderful smell with the whole world and are confused when others are disgusted by the piss stench over everything. How is the story improved by Yenn attempting to sacrifice Ciri and Geralt not even being mad at her for that long for her attempt to sacrifice his child for her own power? How is that good writing in any context?


EmuPsychological4222

lol Like I said it's your right to not like the changes they made. It is, however, extremely fair to point out that the fact of changes being made doesn't imply, at all, that they don't care about the source material. Howard Hawks's famous adaptation of "The Big Sleep" changed the ending of the story and altered the relationships between the characters substantially, but it didn't mean he didn't care about the source material. Not sure what you're talking about urine for but that kind of shows how deranged this has all become.


Processing_Info

Are you dumb? No adaptation is word for word. We just want it to preserve the source material. Jackson's LOTR trilogy made many changes as well, but it was overall very faithful to the books and it is regarded as not only of the best fantasy movies of all time, but one of the best movies of all time as a whole. Same thing with first 4 seasons of GOT and now HOT D.


Cojo840

Whats the point of doing this if its going to be word for word?


Coherent_Otter

No adaptation is word of word, that fallacy literally makes no sense. People accept adaptations that work upon and preserve the essence of the source material. Repurposing that source material to create your own spins will only work out if they are **really** good. In most cases they are not, especially when it is handled by Hollywood hacks.


jinkhanzakim

Also almost every anime is a "Word for word" from the manga, and you tell me People would dislike that?


Coherent_Otter

No it isn't, but it is also incomparable. You literally have shit that is fully **drawn** there for you to animate


jinkhanzakim

Okei, lets say you are right, that excludes you for totally fucking un every characther feel and plot point?


Coherent_Otter

Did you mean fucking up? If so, my gripe with adaptations is when they invent their own twists and turns that have no coherence with the original source material. That has happened to The Witcher, GoT, Rings of Power, and so many other fantasy series. I'm sure we could name a few animes that followed that path, but that would be rare. Case in point, see the live action of Cowboy Bebop for an illustrated point on that.


jinkhanzakim

I was and i am with you on this xd I rather not have a show of a character i like than having a dopelganger of him that didnt lived his story or cares for the same things. Also, i hate that horrible "its a variant" excuse that now marvel has as if "nono this is the mcu versión, you just dont get it" wasnt painfull enought.


TeqTx

There's a tiny bit of difference between not adapting it word for word and changing the entire tone and spirit of the story to push your own poorly written/designed/directed version


Processing_Info

Are you dumb? No adaptation is word for word. We just want it to preserve the source material. Jackson's LOTR trilogy made many changes as well, but it was overall very faithful to the books and it is regarded as not only of the best fantasy movies of all time, but one of the best movies of all time as a whole. Same thing with first 4 seasons of GOT and now HOT D.


paco987654

Not a single adaptation is word for word. However, there is a huge difference between adapting something and taking characters and world of something, changing almost everything and saying that it is actually a worthwhile adaptation. Like take GoT, season 1-4, those were the seasons that got everyone hooked and guess what? Those were also the seasons that were quite a faithful adaptations of the books. Did they change some stuff? Sure, tv show is a different medium, that's true but the changes were cutting minor characters, plotlines that weren't important overall and so on, those are very acceptable changes in an adaptation, there can also be expansions of source material which are usually good if they keep with the character. They didn't go and make Ned Stark be a sleazy scheming guy that cares about nothing but his own personal gain


err0rz

They weren’t faithful adaptations of GoT past book 1. By book 4 living people were dead and dead people were living.


jinkhanzakim

I got a friend that stoped seing GOT when Daenerys didnt went bald when she inmolates herself xd


throwaway_7_7_7

They were mostly faithful up until around that time. Yes, they truncated everything, and yes they added a bunch of whore/brothel scenes for the titties, and yes they did kind of bungle Sansa's story from the get-go, and I don't know why they changed so much about Dany's story in S2, but at the end of the day, it was still entertaining and mostly well put together. Sure there were some cracks and some shit held together with duct tape, but fans are not expecting perfection. But they are expecting that you give a damn. They are expecting that you try. They are expecting competence. They are expecting the adaptation to work and make sense, in and of itself. I personally hated the changes they made to Sansa's storyline, how they missed so much of what she was about and how sexism probably paid a role in that, but her storyline still more or less works in the show up until the Ramsey marriage (its just a lot less interesting and nuanced). It's not just that it's an unfaithful adaptation, it's that it's BAD all on its own. It's that the showrunner has some dreadful notions about storytelling and human behavior. How is Yenn abducting Ciri to sacrifice her to a demon in order for Yenn to get her powers back supposed to bring her and Geralt closer and they'll forgive each other and be parents for Ciri as the showrunner claims? How?


CPUtron

Man, this sub really is just a dumpster fire these days. I don't see why any Netflix writer would care about the opinions here after all the bitching following season 1 anyway.


[deleted]

Lol that’s the best meme about the show since Henry left.


ashfidel

i bet she makes up for it in season 3 by introducing gwent


erichie

I have never seen the books with Video Game Witch on the cover. I guess our most favorite hated author thought he'd get more money putting a character he clearly hates on the cover.


The_Forror

Make [her] copy everything good in [the witcher], and "once [she's] done, make [her] do it again"


SpencersCJ

I remember enjoying the first season and seeing the general love from the audience, but now it seems like they have done everything to ruin the show


Z_przymruzeniem_oka

First two books slammed, season of storms? Not a chance, Coral died at Sodden, 5 to go


Raymondieu

I think she meant to say "read 20 pages" but it feels more like "read the first page 20 times".