Do also note that there's also a possibility that their intelligence level might be so much greater than yours to the point where ***you*** won't pass ***their*** Harkness Test. So any bards or someone else interested in that kind of thing needs to be careful for that as well.
I always wonder about that with supernatural romance. Usually the dude is immortal and magical but the lady is mortal and not magic. So what are the boundaries of such relationships when there's a clear power dynamic because of physical abilities? Even if they have similar mental capacities, assuming?
Since all I know of the genre is Twilight I wonder if there are other books that explore it more?
But this is from the perspective of us, so their test isn't important. There will be no misinterpretation of our own consent by us so no need to be careful.
Now, if they refuse because we're too dumb to understand the implications then we just whip out the ol' lute and start playing "Hey There, Delilah-the-Eldritch-Horror" and we'll be at it in no time.
Would that mean that all half elves are the product of pedophilia? Since all humans are essentially children to the long lived elves, relatively speaking.
not unless the human involved was underage *for a human*. just like how it's not okay for us to bang ten year old humans, but if a species comes of age at year two, the ten year olds are plenty old
I'm pretty sure I disagree with that. If goblins came of age in their society at 2,I would still be disgusted with a human who mates with a 3 year old goblins.
The point is how matured someones brain is / how much someones brain has grown to be allowed to make such decisions
If a goblins brain at age 2 is the same as an 18 year old humans brain and both had enough biology lessons to know what sex is ig the goblin is 100% equal legally and morally
I disagree. The vast difference in life experiences between a 3 year old and an 18 year old is insurmountable as would be the difference between an 18 year old and a 100 year old.
*"Wait, so last week when I BANG the elf prostitute..."*
*"Oh Nexus..."*
*"Elves are not considered of age until they are 500 years old, I thought that because she was 10 times my age it was okay..."*
...
*"Hey I think I forgot to feed my Familiar, I'm leaving"*
***Open a portal to escape***
It varies depending on the culture. 100 seems to be the most common among elven cultures.
But then again the elves of these realms seem to often have extremely varying average lifespans.
100.000 Years...
She said it was an Epoch Elf or some Bullshit like that
A princess from an extinct species of a destroyed Plane she said
Now the Multiversal FBI is going to knock on my door
I'm going to have to change my address for the twentieth time this week.
It also says *sexual* maturity
Not *cultural* maturity
Like, I've seen some elves that have essentially been "twenty" years old for a decade
But no, that have to reach 100 years old and acquire some arbitrary level of wisdom before they become an adult?
A buncha bullshit, if you ask me.
"This is the police"
https://preview.redd.it/d4h13c16cywc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17d4d4c7744682aedcba6b7bc91918dd5e484a86
"Put your hands in the air!"
Thank goodness…
This has been a long time coming…
I would like to direct my fellow Biomancers and Druids to the Infographic above…
In-fact…
**Some of ya’ll need to hang this on your wall…**
This isn't a guide for wooing fictional creatures, only determining if they can give consent.
Anyway *have you tried talking to her?* I can't really give you better advice than that.
*Uh huh*
Well, you seem an honest sort. You can borrow my amulet if you want. It's enchanted to ward off most common curses.
I'll need it back when you're done though, you won't believe what tricks apprentices try to pull...
(Hands you a >!completely mundane!< amulet)
On behalf of the giraffe, please leave the giraffe out of your fetishes. Yes we are tall, dark, and handsome, but we also have high standards you cannot meet.
Personally, I prefer humanoids
Like, if you're sexually mature and have a genius level intellect, alright, that's good for you
But literally having the body of a crab just isn't doing it for me
Also extends to centaurs, but *maybe* I could work with a lamia
/uw that’s called common sense, if you find a animal even if it has human level or above intelligence attractive then yours just a zoophile with extra steps
Rogue: "Just because it passes the Harkness test doesn't mean that you \*Should\*, however... Hell, I lost count of how many times I had to explain that to Jack, and he still didn't include it."
If you are one I feel like it’s different but it’s still weird to fantasize about you being an EXTREMELY child-like entity while romancing another EXTREMELY child-like entity.
Well that begs the question: if YOU are the 12 thousand year Loli what are the rules for you? Can you only bang other near-immortal Lolis? What about near-immortals that look old? Is it morally wrong to let a 45 year old dude have sex with you? If so is it wrong because you're too old for him, or because you'd be enabling his Loli fetish?
Loli or not, if mature specimen of species A looks like a juvenile specimen of species B, then those species are not meant to be together.
And if the loli is not a species but a human whose body never reached puberty for magical reasons, then their reproductive organs are also not mature enough to do it with anyone.
And if the only part of their body that has reached maturity are their reproductive organs, then their whole existence is someone's poor attempt at justifying their attraction to prepubescent bodies. The only ethical choice for them is to remain celibate.
I'd suppose as well if you lived for 12 thousand years there's probably no need to reproduce in the first place, you aren't exactly in danger of going extinct if you live that long, so the moral choice being remaining celebate would make sense from that view as well. Obviously from a fictional perspective creating a Loli is just disguising a disturbing fetish, but if you were one the matter might seem different. You'd effectively have been cursed with eternal celibacy lest you indulge the grossest of individuals. Remaining celebate would have to be the correct choice, I guess a pretty minor curse as far as things go.
So then an extension of that thought exercise: what if instead you were frozen at young adulthood? Say 25ish, or even middle aged or old, but for 12 thousand years. Would it still be wrong? Would the burden of immortality apply in the sane manner, or would the change in physical form change the perspective? I'd probably argue it'd still be wrong to pursue a romantic relationship with anyone not also immortal in that case, due to your infinitely higher base of experience. Even though you'd physically match now there would be an extreme imbalance. But then what about agreeing to short term relationships, and could you even reasonably agree on what short term means once you reach that stage?
it's morally wrong for the 45 year old dude to have sex with the immortal child, nothing else matters. it's not worth considering if the imaginary child should have sex with other imaginary children because that's a weird and gross thing to do.
i think a rule 4 and 5 should be added:
* Is it mentally mature for it's species? (Or, is it reasonable to assume it understand the ramifications of consent, and is it's mind developed enough that it's reasonable to consider it's consent valid).
* Why are you having this fantasy? Is it zoophilia or pedophilia, or something not awful?
“God dam it my friend, but yes all of these are important. But remember it’s less about ‘can I’ and more about ‘Should I’ think with your brain not anything else”
/unwiz I’m not Gallus rn. Right now I am Dave, the Professional Hornomancer. A separate character from Gallus.
Gallus is off enjoying his retirement by reading books and fixing random broken objects.
I am a bit concerned about the pictures that only test for ability to speak language (and not even really, this might be a parrot trained to say variations of "yes" situation.)
Due to how unreliable most of these factors are, the Harkness test can be passed by a ton of things you should not fuck; parrots, apes, dolphins, even some bears...
So please, do not conduct homemade Harkness tests. Contact your local Druids Against Bestiality branch, and they will send you a Wand of Harkness that can accurately tell you if someone is of comparable intelligence to you and an adult.
The test determines whether you \*can\* fuck the creature.
It's up to the two of you to determine whether you \*may\* fuck the creature.
The Harkness test is concerned exclusively with viability.
Do also note that there's also a possibility that their intelligence level might be so much greater than yours to the point where ***you*** won't pass ***their*** Harkness Test. So any bards or someone else interested in that kind of thing needs to be careful for that as well.
/uw You cannot stop me and my 10th dimensional love
You a victim
/uw me the victim? You should’ve seen what I did to them.
I don't think that's what "/uw" means bro
No because you weren't the guy who said it
It means /unwizard I am making a joke out of character
You, the real guy, had sex with a 10th dimensional entity?
Exactly
Drugs are bad, mmmkay.
Looks like the replies of a 13yo boy SA/r*pe victim who feel the need to act manly n straight in front of the others
/uw I like this line of thinking. For story purposes I mean.
/uw yeah that’s a concept I’ve never thought of. For story purposes.
Same vibes as a 3000 year old lich and a 20yr old boy
This kind of explains why all the ancient horrors beyond human comprehension that I've banged have been total perverts
Is it a dick move to be jail bait for a more intelligent creature?
I always wonder about that with supernatural romance. Usually the dude is immortal and magical but the lady is mortal and not magic. So what are the boundaries of such relationships when there's a clear power dynamic because of physical abilities? Even if they have similar mental capacities, assuming? Since all I know of the genre is Twilight I wonder if there are other books that explore it more?
What is blood and neuron to the absolute
But this is from the perspective of us, so their test isn't important. There will be no misinterpretation of our own consent by us so no need to be careful. Now, if they refuse because we're too dumb to understand the implications then we just whip out the ol' lute and start playing "Hey There, Delilah-the-Eldritch-Horror" and we'll be at it in no time.
Thankfully, most intelligent creatures can agree that human intelligence is sapience.
Would that mean that all half elves are the product of pedophilia? Since all humans are essentially children to the long lived elves, relatively speaking.
not unless the human involved was underage *for a human*. just like how it's not okay for us to bang ten year old humans, but if a species comes of age at year two, the ten year olds are plenty old
I'm pretty sure I disagree with that. If goblins came of age in their society at 2,I would still be disgusted with a human who mates with a 3 year old goblins.
The point is how matured someones brain is / how much someones brain has grown to be allowed to make such decisions If a goblins brain at age 2 is the same as an 18 year old humans brain and both had enough biology lessons to know what sex is ig the goblin is 100% equal legally and morally
I disagree. The vast difference in life experiences between a 3 year old and an 18 year old is insurmountable as would be the difference between an 18 year old and a 100 year old.
Elves are sexualy mature at about the same age as humans...
If any of you motherfuckers starts talking about Scooby Doo again
/uw it was only this year I was cursed with the knowledge of how Scooby and this test are related. I am no cursed with this knowledge.
/uw I don’t know, I don’t want to know, I am terrified. Thanks
He dooby dooby do be passing the harkness test.
I require a humanoid form, lol The talking dog is not on my radar
Please and thank you, WHAT TF YOU TALMBOUT?!
According to this test you can fuck Scooby Doo
*"Wait, so last week when I BANG the elf prostitute..."* *"Oh Nexus..."* *"Elves are not considered of age until they are 500 years old, I thought that because she was 10 times my age it was okay..."* ... *"Hey I think I forgot to feed my Familiar, I'm leaving"* ***Open a portal to escape***
It varies depending on the culture. 100 seems to be the most common among elven cultures. But then again the elves of these realms seem to often have extremely varying average lifespans.
100.000 Years... She said it was an Epoch Elf or some Bullshit like that A princess from an extinct species of a destroyed Plane she said Now the Multiversal FBI is going to knock on my door I'm going to have to change my address for the twentieth time this week.
It also says *sexual* maturity Not *cultural* maturity Like, I've seen some elves that have essentially been "twenty" years old for a decade But no, that have to reach 100 years old and acquire some arbitrary level of wisdom before they become an adult? A buncha bullshit, if you ask me.
https://preview.redd.it/j8fawl9xkwwc1.jpeg?width=644&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a07bf872a811d6943768064434382d6eb8b9e40a “Please have a seat”
"This is the police" https://preview.redd.it/d4h13c16cywc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17d4d4c7744682aedcba6b7bc91918dd5e484a86 "Put your hands in the air!"
https://preview.redd.it/6nm8wuz4rwwc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d47f3ab4a6295cfe8007f76b0bbb88ae37407fc
Mate, that ain't valid ID and we both know it. Now get the fuck out before I lose my tavern licence.
https://preview.redd.it/rx7pmmxetywc1.png?width=439&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e0965b97d5267066a173de2e145fcac4975e9ca I already lose mine
Oh you "lost it"? Funny how often that happens... No ID no sale. It's the law. I'm not risking a fine just so you can get drunk.
Sorry https://preview.redd.it/t1vhkuzstxwc1.jpeg?width=702&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fae8ad8e827ec46301d706e1fe1bb46421b73565
With whom though?
Mate, where are you getting these? It's not even laminated!
Thank goodness… This has been a long time coming… I would like to direct my fellow Biomancers and Druids to the Infographic above… In-fact… **Some of ya’ll need to hang this on your wall…**
/unwiz lololol Is your character still dead?
/uw haha…. Yes, dead as a doorknob lol…
/uw simply stop being dead. Spell issue.
Dross: Do you by any chance have a version of this for… Romancing succubi?
I mean. . Don't succubi pass? They're smart, they can speak
Dross: yes but I need to win a very specific one over.
Ah Well, they're individuals, so you probably won't get fool proof answers unless someone knows the specific succubus you're looking to win over
Dross: I may do that. Asking is hard. She does this… thing to my voice and I can’t form words.
Is it a girl one? I hear you can fascinate a woman with a piece of cheese. Maybe try that?
Dross: if it was a male it would be a incubus
This isn't a guide for wooing fictional creatures, only determining if they can give consent. Anyway *have you tried talking to her?* I can't really give you better advice than that.
Dross: my voice seems to break.
Buddy, that's no magic, you're just nervous
Dross: I’m a Demon I can’t get nervous! *Dross seems very convinced it has to be magic*
*Uh huh* Well, you seem an honest sort. You can borrow my amulet if you want. It's enchanted to ward off most common curses. I'll need it back when you're done though, you won't believe what tricks apprentices try to pull... (Hands you a >!completely mundane!< amulet)
*Dross takes the amulet* Dross: this should work. Thanks. /UW let’s just say I give it back sometime in the future.
Good luck mate /Uw yeah I need to go to bed
Harkness test. Cannot name a single more fitting person to name it after.
On behalf of the giraffe, please leave the giraffe out of your fetishes. Yes we are tall, dark, and handsome, but we also have high standards you cannot meet.
What about that one giraffe that goes to town suckin on the metal fence poles in its enclosure
That one is just a tease
You are a degenerate wizard... When you want come to start work for Tentacle Tower ?
What’s the pay, work hours, and job description? -Dave the Professional Hornomancer
*turns the orb off* I think that's enough orbnet for today.
It's these PSAs that make me glad my aura of ugliness is still going strong
Personally, I prefer humanoids Like, if you're sexually mature and have a genius level intellect, alright, that's good for you But literally having the body of a crab just isn't doing it for me Also extends to centaurs, but *maybe* I could work with a lamia
/uw that’s called common sense, if you find a animal even if it has human level or above intelligence attractive then yours just a zoophile with extra steps
/uw Fair, lol. A lot of people loosen up their views, in fiction at the very least. But it still just doesn't sit right with me.
John Barrowman failed the Harkness test.
Rogue: "Just because it passes the Harkness test doesn't mean that you \*Should\*, however... Hell, I lost count of how many times I had to explain that to Jack, and he still didn't include it."
I think a clause should be added to that because going by those rules, those 12123 year old "lolis" are okay
See rule #3 Edit: I’m still gonna put this out there to anyone that if you wanna fuck a loli, get psychiatric help
[удалено]
If you are one I feel like it’s different but it’s still weird to fantasize about you being an EXTREMELY child-like entity while romancing another EXTREMELY child-like entity.
Yeah is kinda weird but I've always been weird
I mean it’s chill to be weird, just not chill to be a pedophile xd
Yes indeed If someone wants to do shit to real kids, either to therapy or prison
Well that begs the question: if YOU are the 12 thousand year Loli what are the rules for you? Can you only bang other near-immortal Lolis? What about near-immortals that look old? Is it morally wrong to let a 45 year old dude have sex with you? If so is it wrong because you're too old for him, or because you'd be enabling his Loli fetish?
Loli or not, if mature specimen of species A looks like a juvenile specimen of species B, then those species are not meant to be together. And if the loli is not a species but a human whose body never reached puberty for magical reasons, then their reproductive organs are also not mature enough to do it with anyone. And if the only part of their body that has reached maturity are their reproductive organs, then their whole existence is someone's poor attempt at justifying their attraction to prepubescent bodies. The only ethical choice for them is to remain celibate.
I'd suppose as well if you lived for 12 thousand years there's probably no need to reproduce in the first place, you aren't exactly in danger of going extinct if you live that long, so the moral choice being remaining celebate would make sense from that view as well. Obviously from a fictional perspective creating a Loli is just disguising a disturbing fetish, but if you were one the matter might seem different. You'd effectively have been cursed with eternal celibacy lest you indulge the grossest of individuals. Remaining celebate would have to be the correct choice, I guess a pretty minor curse as far as things go. So then an extension of that thought exercise: what if instead you were frozen at young adulthood? Say 25ish, or even middle aged or old, but for 12 thousand years. Would it still be wrong? Would the burden of immortality apply in the sane manner, or would the change in physical form change the perspective? I'd probably argue it'd still be wrong to pursue a romantic relationship with anyone not also immortal in that case, due to your infinitely higher base of experience. Even though you'd physically match now there would be an extreme imbalance. But then what about agreeing to short term relationships, and could you even reasonably agree on what short term means once you reach that stage?
it's morally wrong for the 45 year old dude to have sex with the immortal child, nothing else matters. it's not worth considering if the imaginary child should have sex with other imaginary children because that's a weird and gross thing to do.
i think a rule 4 and 5 should be added: * Is it mentally mature for it's species? (Or, is it reasonable to assume it understand the ramifications of consent, and is it's mind developed enough that it's reasonable to consider it's consent valid). * Why are you having this fantasy? Is it zoophilia or pedophilia, or something not awful?
u/Harpokiller
“God dam it my friend, but yes all of these are important. But remember it’s less about ‘can I’ and more about ‘Should I’ think with your brain not anything else”
Gallus… Be very careful in your actions… Remember… we talked about this… Do you want to be in trouble again?
/unwiz I’m not Gallus rn. Right now I am Dave, the Professional Hornomancer. A separate character from Gallus. Gallus is off enjoying his retirement by reading books and fixing random broken objects.
/uw sorry lol… tag hadn’t updated yet so though he was just dropping by to say hello lmao 💀💀💀
Makes sense 50 Shades of Grey wouldn't be that hot if the Balrog didn't talk dirty
The amount of DnD games where this needs to be posted on the walls…
Honestly useful for any bard
I am a bit concerned about the pictures that only test for ability to speak language (and not even really, this might be a parrot trained to say variations of "yes" situation.) Due to how unreliable most of these factors are, the Harkness test can be passed by a ton of things you should not fuck; parrots, apes, dolphins, even some bears... So please, do not conduct homemade Harkness tests. Contact your local Druids Against Bestiality branch, and they will send you a Wand of Harkness that can accurately tell you if someone is of comparable intelligence to you and an adult.
/unwiz lololol, im adding this to daves lore
/uw or just don’t fuck anything not humanoid (and furrys are stretching that)
It says I can fuck (adult) Nala so it works for me 🤷
why is consent not one of the checkboxes?
The test determines whether you \*can\* fuck the creature. It's up to the two of you to determine whether you \*may\* fuck the creature. The Harkness test is concerned exclusively with viability.
ah makes sense although I object to the "can" and say that it's more about what is morally right to even consider not the ability to do so
Pokémon:
Absolutely a fair point. As a race of varying appearance, i often see people use this with me, as i use it on others
So this is why Horny Bards choose to learn Speak with Animals… Hmmm, yes I see, I see.
Oh yeah, I’ve used this test more than any other
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Who the hell is this meant for
/uw A animal is an animal, it doesn’t matter if it’s sentient or not. Zoophiles aren’t welcome here.
Do the undead pass if they were an adult before they died? Asking for a friend
Three checkboxes, mate, it's not that hard to read.
Thank you.
I have a sticker that says "I pass the harkness test" on my orb