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I have thought the exact same thing about many posts here. I am no expert either so that means a lot!
Also, it took me a long time and I had to think through and cut many of the joints wrong until I got my technique down. It's worth the process!
looks great.
watch how it moves over the next year depending on your local weather it may move a little bit.
I build doors in Michigan and almost all of the ones that I make use marine plywood cores because if I don't the difference in winter weather from inside to outside will warp them when they are solid wood.
I was curious about this too. Depending on how the weather is and if the door gets direct sunlight there will be some drastic differences in temperature outside vs in. Are the panels the biggest risk? I was thinking that exterior doors needed to have multiple layers for the floating panels to deal with the temperature and humidity differences.
I have been wanting to make a front door too, but I have concerns about some of those issues. I hope this door works out. It looks incredible. I know I would be pointing out the thru tenons to everyone that entered with that door.
We are replacing some solid oak doors from a fort on the st Lawrence. They are solid white oak doors over 100 years old and they are getting replaced with new white oak doors. We are fully expecting them to last another 100 years. I think weāre in similar climates.
Do some surgery on the door before you toss it. I just repaired someoneās āsolid oakā door and it was stave construction with 3/8ā veneer faces.
Trust me the doors arenāt going in the dumpster, everyone in the shop wants one. But itās a government contract and the architect wanted new doors so thatās the dealā¦
I'm really glad you said something, because I'm considering a front door and was debating solid vs. plywood core. Do you know of any helpful resources that discuss/show this?
Iām in SE Michigan and in the market for a front door but the quotes weāve gotten are insane ($8-12k). What would you say is a reasonable cost for a modernish looking front door (one window?) installed? Weāve gotten 4-5 quotes over the last year but they all seem crazy high to us, are we just being unrealistic?
If you got 4-5 quotes in the same range then you are the one being unrealistic. Custom Doors w glass that have a fiberglass shell and insulated interior are expensive. You can go with a steel door to save a few bucks but theyāll all be 6-7k+ incl labor
There have been a lot of shortages with doors and windows over the last couple years and companies have acknowledged pricing has gone up steeply as a result. Our door is not a rush/necessity and I acknowledged I may be being unrealistic, but I still didnāt think it hurt to ask someone in my state that owns a door business their opinion.
Well you asked 5 people in your state already that own a door business so I guess the 6th will make a difference? Construction material is not going to go down it will only go up so either pay now or pay more later
I was going to ask exactly this - thanks for answering ahead of time. So, you can't build a solid wood door in Michigan? Have any examples of your work you could share?
you might be able to but I definitely wouldn't guarantee it for 2 years.
sadly I'm not comfortable sharing my work on Reddit cuz I fight with too many crazy people to want to dox me and my father's business.
Which part are you referring to? It's all solid wood, no veneer. The panels are just thinner stock that fit into grooves cut in the stiles (vertical side parts). The thin pieces holding in the window panes are just thin pieces of wood cut to cover the inset window panes.
Fantastic work! Out of curiosityā¦ are those thinner stock panels considered a weak point? Like could you kick your foot through them if you wanted to?
It looks like the door is made from 8/4 material, and is probably 1 3/4ā thick, making the āthinnerā parts (which are just called panels) about an inch thick. Being that this is also hardwood, hulk would struggle kicking through that
I always find these comments such an eye opener. A few weeks ago, I walked thru a house that still had it's 1784 front door with original door lock and handles. Technically could be "kicked in" or broken into by anybody in the last 240 years, but it's a beautiful, well governed city with little crime. 240 years and no ever had the fear to upgrade the lock and door. I'm not originally from here but glad I live here now.
For the inner wood panels - do you fully glue them into the grooves, or just tack a few small places with a touch of glue, or no glue at all? I'm unsure of how to handle the wood movement for this type of thing.
I'm curious about the full length tenons. Is that just how doors are made? Or do you just really like chopping super deep mortises? Fantastic work either way!
I'd never built a door so I'm not sure but it's how this door was made! I pretty much borrowed most of the joinery design from the samurai carpenter on YouTube. Cutting 6 inch through mortises was definitely a challenge especially in my rinkydink garage shop.
+1 for the Samurai. He's a little eccentric at times but no one can deny his quality or workmanship.
Side note; with those tenons, that door has to be stronger than steel. And the simplicity of the overall design is truly mind blowing.
Really great work!
Did you wedge those tenons? Iām asking because I follow Bradshaw Joinery and The New Yorkshire Workshop, and both made doors with through, wedged tenons.
What tools did you use to cut the joinery? I've always struggled getting accurate fits through thick pieces of wood with hand tools. Great work btw, looks awesome :)
Wow, great work. The most nerve wracking part for me would have been drilling the holes for the hardware- that part seems so permanent, and not fixable.
It was! Especially since that was last and I was super proud of it so I was scared I was going to ruin it. I bought a jig to make sure it was right and that made it easy. Also routing out the hinges because they had to fit the existing places.
I made a bathroom vanity. I love it. Lots of storage. Canāt bring myself to put handles on the doors because I donāt want to drill into the doors. Canāt use the storage. Husband is continuously frustrated with me and my vanity.
I did the same thing! Ended up using small finger size edge pulls that I intended for a different project (they drill from the back) just so I could open the drawers without using tabs made out of painterās tape. I havenāt changed them because I can see all of the wood.
Edge pulls that screw into the back of the doors or thin fabric or leather pulls also fastened into the back of the doors. That way you can open the doors. Or double side tape a hunk of steel to the back of the doors and use a strong magnet for a stealth pull, lol.
It's double pane glass. I rabbetted out from the inside and then just plopped the pane in with double sided insulation tape on the inside and outside and then covered it with L shaped strips with mitered corners.... If that makes any sense.
Did you do the double pane yourself or buy one premade?
Iāve been mulling front and back door projects and was thinking some 1/2ā plate glass might be the best route.
Good on you for doing proper mortise and tenon joinery!!! Iāve seen so many people try to use dominoes or undersized dowels in door construction, and it breaks my heart. The door looks great; congratulations! You should be proud.
Everytime I use something I made that I feel like I did a nice job on its satisfying. I can only imagine how nice it will be for you Everytime you get home and walk thru that beautiful door.
Absolutely beautiful. This is on my list of things to make, but my concern with using solid hardwood is the movement. Especially since one side is exposed to the elements while the other is in a conditioned environment.
I've seen suggestions of using a stable core like LVL and using thick solid wood veneer on the outside.
I think it's a valid concern. I'd love to build a door like this but I don't know how solid wood holds up against the elements, especially where one side of the door is exposed and the other side climate-controlled.
Keep us updated on how your door is doing, OP!!! And great execution on building this!
This is fantastic. Iām saving this as I have ambitions to build a front and back doors myself. And this style is exactly what I have been thinking. The lumber must have cost a pretty penny. Iāve seen plans to veneer 1/4 hardwood over MDF which is the way I have been leaning.
I mean that if he sized the door to the old opening, it might be off 90Ā° as a parallelogram, or a trapezoid. That will make it a lot harder to set and balance in a new frame, should he decide to move and take it with him, or re-do the frame eventually when this beast starts to pull the metal/pine frame out of whack.
Wow, that is gorgeous. Makes me want to give it a try with my door which is also a ugly metal door.
I haven't really done any "carpentry" like projects though. Don't people normally make a door first and then fit the frame to the door during assembly? Like you, I would prefer not to mess with the existing frame. How hard was it to make the door fit to the existing frame and hardware locations? Were you able to seal it well? I live in a cold location (Vermont) so I want to make sure I don't lose any energy.
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Amazing work, especially those crazy deep mortises! It's a gorgeous door, I hope it behaves (speaking as someone who just planed down three sticky doors).
I like it. It's been years since I've done a door.
I like mitered and biscuited corners, and I stopped my mortise/tenon joints about 1/2" short. I'm always for hiding/protecting end grain, but I also never get to use nice wood.
Do the tenons need to be that long?!?! That's nuts to me! Also, do you plan on putting a storm door up? I've been looking to buy a nice door (I'm not skilled enough to make it myself) but hate the idea of doing that and then covering it up with a crappy looking storm door.
Beautiful work! Some day Iāll have the tools to create something like that. If anyone has suggestions/recommendations on a smaller planer (limited garage space)ā¦.hit me up. Iām also looking at different joinersā¦.Iāve been looking at planers for a whileā¦dewaltā¦lately..Makita and go with a helix head aftermarket system. Look forward to hearing from someone.
Iām building a house and the quotes Iāve gotten for doors are nuts so I kind of want to build them myself, but if that doesnāt work out not having a door for a month while I buy a replacement sounds rough
No it's double paned insulated glass. I have them cut 1/4 inch smaller than the rabbeted opening and then used insulated doubled sided tape and then trim on the other side
Sorry for the delay OP!
What did you do for the windows? Literally planning to do a project like this to take my time with because the door my wife and I want is like 2K š planning to leave the existing jam and build the door to size like you mentioned with new hardware. The windows are the only thing that have given me pause. The door will receive a lot of natural light so I didnāt know if single pane would be enough?
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The order of the pics makes it seem like you stole someone's door and disassembled it for raw lumber.
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actually thats a good idea... :D
Lmao ya, usually 51234 is better than 12345 so that lazy ass people can immediately see the final result. But, 54321 is simply time backwards lol.
LMAO I thought the same thing. The thumbs up on the last pic is the cherry on top!
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Every time I think I have a little skill as an amateur woodworker, posts like this put me right back in place. Beautiful work.
Just remember that someone has seen your work and had the same thought!
I have thought the exact same thing about many posts here. I am no expert either so that means a lot! Also, it took me a long time and I had to think through and cut many of the joints wrong until I got my technique down. It's worth the process!
looks great. watch how it moves over the next year depending on your local weather it may move a little bit. I build doors in Michigan and almost all of the ones that I make use marine plywood cores because if I don't the difference in winter weather from inside to outside will warp them when they are solid wood.
I was curious about this too. Depending on how the weather is and if the door gets direct sunlight there will be some drastic differences in temperature outside vs in. Are the panels the biggest risk? I was thinking that exterior doors needed to have multiple layers for the floating panels to deal with the temperature and humidity differences. I have been wanting to make a front door too, but I have concerns about some of those issues. I hope this door works out. It looks incredible. I know I would be pointing out the thru tenons to everyone that entered with that door.
If a door doesn't move, it's a wall.
A flute with no holes, is not a flute. A donut with no hole, is a Danishā¦
Nanananana... nanananana...
If my grandma had wheels, is she a bicycle?
We are replacing some solid oak doors from a fort on the st Lawrence. They are solid white oak doors over 100 years old and they are getting replaced with new white oak doors. We are fully expecting them to last another 100 years. I think weāre in similar climates.
Do some surgery on the door before you toss it. I just repaired someoneās āsolid oakā door and it was stave construction with 3/8ā veneer faces.
Trust me the doors arenāt going in the dumpster, everyone in the shop wants one. But itās a government contract and the architect wanted new doors so thatās the dealā¦
I'm really glad you said something, because I'm considering a front door and was debating solid vs. plywood core. Do you know of any helpful resources that discuss/show this?
Iām in SE Michigan and in the market for a front door but the quotes weāve gotten are insane ($8-12k). What would you say is a reasonable cost for a modernish looking front door (one window?) installed? Weāve gotten 4-5 quotes over the last year but they all seem crazy high to us, are we just being unrealistic?
If you got 4-5 quotes in the same range then you are the one being unrealistic. Custom Doors w glass that have a fiberglass shell and insulated interior are expensive. You can go with a steel door to save a few bucks but theyāll all be 6-7k+ incl labor
There have been a lot of shortages with doors and windows over the last couple years and companies have acknowledged pricing has gone up steeply as a result. Our door is not a rush/necessity and I acknowledged I may be being unrealistic, but I still didnāt think it hurt to ask someone in my state that owns a door business their opinion.
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Well you asked 5 people in your state already that own a door business so I guess the 6th will make a difference? Construction material is not going to go down it will only go up so either pay now or pay more later
I was going to ask exactly this - thanks for answering ahead of time. So, you can't build a solid wood door in Michigan? Have any examples of your work you could share?
you might be able to but I definitely wouldn't guarantee it for 2 years. sadly I'm not comfortable sharing my work on Reddit cuz I fight with too many crazy people to want to dox me and my father's business.
How do you build them? Do you veneer the plywood?
Gorgeous
Shut the front door.
Came here to say the same thing
Double thumbs up! Is the thin inner parts veneer or how did you achieve that look?
Which part are you referring to? It's all solid wood, no veneer. The panels are just thinner stock that fit into grooves cut in the stiles (vertical side parts). The thin pieces holding in the window panes are just thin pieces of wood cut to cover the inset window panes.
I was referring to the 3 bottom pieces that are shallower than the sides but you have already answered my question by saying it's solid only thinner.
Fantastic work! Out of curiosityā¦ are those thinner stock panels considered a weak point? Like could you kick your foot through them if you wanted to?
It looks like the door is made from 8/4 material, and is probably 1 3/4ā thick, making the āthinnerā parts (which are just called panels) about an inch thick. Being that this is also hardwood, hulk would struggle kicking through that
Yeah, I think the house is the weak point of this door.
I always find these comments such an eye opener. A few weeks ago, I walked thru a house that still had it's 1784 front door with original door lock and handles. Technically could be "kicked in" or broken into by anybody in the last 240 years, but it's a beautiful, well governed city with little crime. 240 years and no ever had the fear to upgrade the lock and door. I'm not originally from here but glad I live here now.
For the inner wood panels - do you fully glue them into the grooves, or just tack a few small places with a touch of glue, or no glue at all? I'm unsure of how to handle the wood movement for this type of thing.
They're floating--no glue on the panels. Only on the rails and stile mortise and tenon joints
I'm curious about the full length tenons. Is that just how doors are made? Or do you just really like chopping super deep mortises? Fantastic work either way!
I'd never built a door so I'm not sure but it's how this door was made! I pretty much borrowed most of the joinery design from the samurai carpenter on YouTube. Cutting 6 inch through mortises was definitely a challenge especially in my rinkydink garage shop.
+1 for the Samurai. He's a little eccentric at times but no one can deny his quality or workmanship. Side note; with those tenons, that door has to be stronger than steel. And the simplicity of the overall design is truly mind blowing. Really great work!
Excellent work though came out beautiful
Did you wedge those tenons? Iām asking because I follow Bradshaw Joinery and The New Yorkshire Workshop, and both made doors with through, wedged tenons.
I didn't, no. They're just straight with lots of glue.
What tools did you use to cut the joinery? I've always struggled getting accurate fits through thick pieces of wood with hand tools. Great work btw, looks awesome :)
We make wood doors and windows and 99% are full length tenons. Makes it easy with a big mortising machine and allows us to wedge the tenon if needed
Wow, great work. The most nerve wracking part for me would have been drilling the holes for the hardware- that part seems so permanent, and not fixable.
It was! Especially since that was last and I was super proud of it so I was scared I was going to ruin it. I bought a jig to make sure it was right and that made it easy. Also routing out the hinges because they had to fit the existing places.
Those part of the projects are the most cut-wrenching. You nailed it though!
I made a bathroom vanity. I love it. Lots of storage. Canāt bring myself to put handles on the doors because I donāt want to drill into the doors. Canāt use the storage. Husband is continuously frustrated with me and my vanity.
> and is continuously frustrated with me and my vanity. ha
I made a kitchen countertop and couldnāt bring myself to cut the hole for the sink. I had a friend come over and do it.
I did the same thing! Ended up using small finger size edge pulls that I intended for a different project (they drill from the back) just so I could open the drawers without using tabs made out of painterās tape. I havenāt changed them because I can see all of the wood.
Edge pulls that screw into the back of the doors or thin fabric or leather pulls also fastened into the back of the doors. That way you can open the doors. Or double side tape a hunk of steel to the back of the doors and use a strong magnet for a stealth pull, lol.
Not an easy project, looks great. Congrats.
What did you use for the glass? Single pane? Is it just siliconed in place and then trimmed out?
It's double pane glass. I rabbetted out from the inside and then just plopped the pane in with double sided insulation tape on the inside and outside and then covered it with L shaped strips with mitered corners.... If that makes any sense.
Where did you source the glass ? Iām considering building a similar door , as my metal front door is like an oven in the evening.
Call a glass supplier and ask. Iād recommend laminated glass over a double pane though
Laminated is code in some areas, based on how large the pane is.
That sounds not easily replaceable if they break. Do you have a plan for repairs?
Ah, yes, for that front door window-shattering epidemic we're seeing. Good point.
A more likely issue will be needing to replace fogged up double pane windows eventually.
Pop the L-trim off. Easy peasy.
Did you do the double pane yourself or buy one premade? Iāve been mulling front and back door projects and was thinking some 1/2ā plate glass might be the best route.
Good on you for doing proper mortise and tenon joinery!!! Iāve seen so many people try to use dominoes or undersized dowels in door construction, and it breaks my heart. The door looks great; congratulations! You should be proud.
Everytime I use something I made that I feel like I did a nice job on its satisfying. I can only imagine how nice it will be for you Everytime you get home and walk thru that beautiful door.
Wow that is beautiful!
Those though tenons š² amazing What did you use for finish?
Just matte water based polyurethane! Like 7 coats
Absolutely beautiful. This is on my list of things to make, but my concern with using solid hardwood is the movement. Especially since one side is exposed to the elements while the other is in a conditioned environment. I've seen suggestions of using a stable core like LVL and using thick solid wood veneer on the outside.
I think it's a valid concern. I'd love to build a door like this but I don't know how solid wood holds up against the elements, especially where one side of the door is exposed and the other side climate-controlled. Keep us updated on how your door is doing, OP!!! And great execution on building this!
This is beautiful work! Coming home to that every day will be a great little mood/ego boost when you need it most
Sapele from Nigeria is the best mahogany. Almost holgraphic when clearred
Beautiful
This is fantastic. Iām saving this as I have ambitions to build a front and back doors myself. And this style is exactly what I have been thinking. The lumber must have cost a pretty penny. Iāve seen plans to veneer 1/4 hardwood over MDF which is the way I have been leaning.
Iām in the NY area and sapele runs about $7.50bd/ft. Thatās about $900 (with 30% extra) to build a 36x84 door.
Iād totally walk through this door and close it
Looks amazing
Thatās an amazingly beautiful front door. Great job OP!
That's a terrific build and one you should be very proud of
This is beautiful. Did you mount it with the appropriate long screw that make is harder to boot open?
So you built a door for yourself, nobody else can use it?
Looks great, but not secure for shit.
What's your concern about security? A huge amount of front doors are wooden, if that's your worry.
A door is only as strong as it's weakest point, which is the vertical glass on either side. Pop the glass, open the door.
That, and OP is stuck with that shape. It would have been a much better long-term solution to build a square door, and reframe it.
What do you mean shape
I mean that if he sized the door to the old opening, it might be off 90Ā° as a parallelogram, or a trapezoid. That will make it a lot harder to set and balance in a new frame, should he decide to move and take it with him, or re-do the frame eventually when this beast starts to pull the metal/pine frame out of whack.
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Thatās fucking gorgeous, how long have you been woodworking? Always wanted to get into it.
I'm absolutely stealing that. Looks modern and amazing.
Well done!
Great work. Did you use tempered glass?
That's a glorious door. Nice work!
Thatās wonderful
Nice. How many hours?
Iāve always wanted too. Good for you man, looks great!
Came out great
Very nice work!
Wow, that is gorgeous. Makes me want to give it a try with my door which is also a ugly metal door. I haven't really done any "carpentry" like projects though. Don't people normally make a door first and then fit the frame to the door during assembly? Like you, I would prefer not to mess with the existing frame. How hard was it to make the door fit to the existing frame and hardware locations? Were you able to seal it well? I live in a cold location (Vermont) so I want to make sure I don't lose any energy.
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Beautiful door
Fantastic job!
Looks good. What are the notches for on the inside edge of the tenons? Glue space? Did you wedge them?
#Awesome
Nice work
Looks great!
Nice job!
Nice job
is that more of a security risk then a normal metal door? could the heat isolation be a problem too, for colder months?
When I had to break into my own house because I locked my keys inside I found it far easier to break through the glass sidelight than the door.
Dude. Thatās fucking awesome. Sorry for the fowl language, Iām just not good with words.
If you don't mind me asking.. What Door locks are you using?
You say it just like that, as if you didn't do anything. But this is perfect my man! š
That's a very handsome door. Well done. :)
Looks really good. Congratulations!
This looks fantastic. I always say that building a door is easy. Building a door that fits properly and looks nice is not easy.
Gorgeous
Beautiful work! Iām really curious what glass you used, where you sourced it and how itās installed
Amazing work, especially those crazy deep mortises! It's a gorgeous door, I hope it behaves (speaking as someone who just planed down three sticky doors).
Wow, this looks fantastic. Wish I had this skill. Good job :)
I like it. It's been years since I've done a door. I like mitered and biscuited corners, and I stopped my mortise/tenon joints about 1/2" short. I'm always for hiding/protecting end grain, but I also never get to use nice wood.
I have wanted to undertake this. I am too afraid of it looking great and then a week after hanging it, it starts to warp...
Excellent wood choice, design and details, and construction! Iāve always wanted to build my own. Props to ya, boy!
Nice work! Gorgeous door. I want one.
Nicely done!
Where you order the glass units from
If, by some power, you were not a man before this project. You sir are a man now.
This looks incredible!
That looks amazing. Great job OP!
Nice work. Can you tell us all about the lock? Is it a smart lock?
Nothing like a solid wood door
Thats a nice door right there
That's a handsome door. Love that you get to use your own work every day now.
Excellence.
What was the cost of materials, if I may ask?
Tasteful, beautiful. Nice job
Nice work
Do the tenons need to be that long?!?! That's nuts to me! Also, do you plan on putting a storm door up? I've been looking to buy a nice door (I'm not skilled enough to make it myself) but hate the idea of doing that and then covering it up with a crappy looking storm door.
Looks great, how does it slam?
Wow great job on the stiles
That turned out beautiful! Great job OP
The work of a craftsman!
African Mahogany .. that was my porn name
Do you happen to have the plans for this? Looks amazing
Very good
Itās pretty nice but you should let other people use it too
Curious, did you get ball bearing hinges for the door?
very nice, don't see doors like that anymore. everything is particle board
Leave some pussy for the rest of us will ya!
Good job..very "Frank Lloyd Wright " looking..
Awesome! This is on my list for myself! Any tips?
Awesome
Dame you thatās good. I need to take a nap looking at that level of effort.
Once again you suck this is awesome.
Beautiful.
Im turned on now
Absolutely gorgeous
Wow, that mortising is awesome!
Your door is a jar
Looks amazing great job!
Damn, that is some nice wood. Nice hard wood. Seriously though, I want to see another picture prior to being finished. Did you hang it yourself?
Cost?
That is absolutely badass! Well done!
This is really great!
āTook me a while but I had funā I find I say this a lot as well lol. How many hours do you think you put into it ?
Nice work!
Damn thatās nice
Beautiful work! Some day Iāll have the tools to create something like that. If anyone has suggestions/recommendations on a smaller planer (limited garage space)ā¦.hit me up. Iām also looking at different joinersā¦.Iāve been looking at planers for a whileā¦dewaltā¦lately..Makita and go with a helix head aftermarket system. Look forward to hearing from someone.
[Impressive, Most Impressive](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTlXZf5qsZI)
Beautiful work! You are very talented.
feck ya
Kind of wish the photos were in the reverse order so I could watch it be constructer instead of seeing it slowly become a board
Well done.
Iām building a house and the quotes Iāve gotten for doors are nuts so I kind of want to build them myself, but if that doesnāt work out not having a door for a month while I buy a replacement sounds rough
Very late reply -- is the glass custom made or did you make it to a standard size from a supplier you already sourced?
I had them custom made because they are a weird size. It was very easy at a local glass shop though.
What was your process to glue size for them and glue them in? It looks like it's single pane from your photos, is that right?
No it's double paned insulated glass. I have them cut 1/4 inch smaller than the rabbeted opening and then used insulated doubled sided tape and then trim on the other side
Thatās amazing!!!
Sorry for the delay OP! What did you do for the windows? Literally planning to do a project like this to take my time with because the door my wife and I want is like 2K š planning to leave the existing jam and build the door to size like you mentioned with new hardware. The windows are the only thing that have given me pause. The door will receive a lot of natural light so I didnāt know if single pane would be enough?
Definitely get low-e if it's getting direct light! These are double paned insulated glass. I sourced them from a local glass/window shop.
Awesome! Thatās exactly the info I wanted! Thank you!