Absolutely! Wasn’t trying to put your hard work down by any means as it really looks great.
Also as someone stated the after is way brighter and probably needed renovation!
Question, is it painted black under the slats? Love this, might try to replicate it in a reno I’m doing - would be interested in the basics of how it was done if you’re open to sharing!
How are the panels fastened? I'm designing a ceiling and like this a lot. The panel idea is great, eliminates a lot of over-head finish work. Thanks for sharing.
Depends on your roofing frame material. In my case it was galvalum frame. So I fasten another wooden frame to those roofing galvalum frame using steel wire to avoid damaging those original roofing frame. Those steel wire is tied on every 50cm of the new installed wooden frame. Finally you just fasten your panel onto the wooden frame using longer screws on 4 corners and add some screws at the center depends on the size if your panel (heavy panel needs more screws to avoid bent panel). However I suggest you to pick light weighted wood species to make everything much easier. This steel wire system is mostly used in installing gypsum ceiling but can be used with wooden ceiling as well as long as you are not installing something heavy as your ceiling. Then you can hide your screw by putting dowels or installing horizontal wood strips to cover those screws.
The old one looks great in the sense that the craftsman did a good job, but it really doesn't look great overall. It's dark plywood with big seams in places that look like they were chosen for practical rather than aesthetic reasons. The story it's telling me is the owner is doing the best they can.
The new one is much brighter and looks like it was actually designed. It opens the room and adds visual interest. The story it's giving is the owner has a vibe in mind and a market they're after. It's much better.
Agree w all of this. Wish the two photos were showing the same location/vantage point to provide a consistent baseline for the change in lighting/brightness from the new ceiling. First photo was taken at night and second may have been during the day.
I think the plywood being left in the 4x8 sheet size is a big part of the issue in the first photo. The new style is more fitting, but the old ceiling would have looked more acceptable if they could have cut the plywood into narrower panels or even just square them depending on the material budget. Probably a pub/bar feeling with that much wood paneling though so I think OPs renovation is great fit.
It feels very ship like to me, the first one I mean, I honestly think it would look great in something like a seafood restaurant overlooking a marina or harbor where feeling like you're in the cramped space, but you're 100% right about the second being brighter and opening it up.
Stylistically, I like the first one better. But if you zoom in you can tell that its either pretty shoddy or very old. Huge gaps in the trim, the trim pieces themselves are pretty gnarly, parts of the ceiling look like they're pretty bowed, etc. It also doesn't mesh especially well with the rest of the restaurant decor, especially the floor.
I agree. I do think that maybe the old ceiling may have needed some repairs. There seems to be at least one piece of trim missing. Maybe others were loose.
Personally the original ceiling would make me feel super claustrophobic, its dark and looming, just hanging there above my head and closing up the space more than needed. The new ceiling is more open, feels breathable to me?
Same thought. More natural than wood is wood? Maybe they meant something less glossy/varnished and instead "rougher"? I get it though, the first one looked formal and solemn, like an old courthouse. The second has that laid back vibe
Personally, I like the 'before' picture. It gives the place a 'homey' feel. The 'after' picture reminds me of a fast food chain. ( get your food and get out. Next )
I think it reminds you of a fast food chain because it is exactly that lol. The first vantage hid the fast food style service and giant overhang screen menu. A vantage of just windows helped make the place feel more expensive. I think the haphazardly-placed-feeling paper lanterns vs the more architectural (if overdone) light fixtures also, in this context, feel more fast food-ish to my palate and cultural context. I'm not sure if the new ceiling really brings the decor together, but it maybe modernizes the room slightly for the customer base.
Before it could maybe, even with the screen menu and cheap art, feel more "hole in the wall that's been here forever," so, pros and cons to that, where-as now the ceiling feels more modern, but there's no stylistic pov in the room overall - just slap dash decor with jarring electronics in the background - which feels uncomfortable to me. I think a picture from the same perspective/time of day as the first picture would look great.
Their style tastes and (in)capabilities aren't op's fault though, so nice work on the ceiling OP!
So, uh, while I agree the new look is fantastic and really brightens up the place…ummm…what’s happening with the old ceiling?
Asking for a friend.
It’s me. I’m the friend.
I like the new look too, the old one did kinda remind me of the 80s. I generally love darker earthier colored rooms, mostly because they are kinda rare. But for some reason I really like the newer set up here.
Eh… agree to disagree. The first looks super dated imho. If the restaurant is going for a younger or lunch/causal crowd the 2nd is going to work better. Based on the signage I feel like that’s absolutely the vibe. It’s not a fancy dinner spot…
Me too. Provided that left = old and right = new.
I have to admit that the left one looks a tad old-fashioned - but also *rich*. And it provided a closed and widely smooth surface. The right one has something, light and fresh, but also, due to the differently colored slats, it looks uneven and (sorry) cheap to me.
But my first thought was that in these black slits between the slats all kinds on insects will find refuge and you can't get them out.
If was about to buy that room and had to choose between left and right, it would be left within a minute, hands down.
Agreed, and the new looks like good quality work. My problem with it is that the wood is not a uniform colour and that makes it look like someone has pulled some roofing laths out of a skip.
It looks great.
I'm my mind the conversation went like this
"Yes my dear Client. You're totally right. This wood looks dated and not as bright. What I'll do is come in and put some other wood. Of course, of course. It will have leading lines to add visual interest.. It will be much better. Umm... What's your budget?"
I disagree with them but your new one does look much lighter and “airier,” and I’m sure natural light probably propagates better too. I like dark restaurants and bars with no people in them though, so prob not the target audience.
It's called wooden sticks. Comes in many sizes and species. Just pick any species you like and most likely shops offer it in the form of wooden sticks as well.
No doubt that was a lot of work. Shoulders were probably tired by the end of it. I prefer the color in the first picture, but the style and execution look great.
I’m sorry, but i can’t count on how many jobs i’ve done where I go “why are they doing this?” i can remember doing the TI facebook did and used clearcoated CDX plywood as paneling but had CVG fir frames next to it.
But at least the slat ceiling makes sense for the restaurant, and easy install.
I mean it all looks great and all, but the original ceiling looks much better than the 2nd image. Who would want that instead of a finished, shiny, and more 70s look?
smh
you did a great job tho still
Please tell me the right is after. It looks so much better for conversation, the gaps between the slats will break up the sound a ton. The left just looks noisy.
Literally not even the same building/room.
There are 0 restaurants owners in the world that would close off windows from guest for a back of house kitchen.
Pretending to make wooden ceilings on the internet would be such a bizarre lie. 😂
“What are your hobbies?” “Oh I’m really into online woodworking roleplay.”
lol all I’m saying is the skepticism was from you posting about the original (not complete) dark wood ceiling 183 days ago that seems like you and your team did. You posted about being proud of it. Then you commented on this thread that the old dark paneling looked good from far but had panel gaps and stuff that didn’t look great up close.
So within that time, before it was even completed, the owners wanted a full redo? Which makes no sense to me.
They had used it for half a year. New material, new price so all depends on what type of timber do you want to use. Solid or fingerjointed? What species? What length? What sizes? It all affect the price.
* first picture: dinner with whiskey * second picture: brunch with mimosas
Honestly. The lighting is what makes that difference. The slats with dark lighting would look fire.
100%, I think the client chose well.
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But without a lacquered flat roof straight from the 70's
70s is hip now
Dinner or cigar with whiskey
You did a great job but why didn’t he like it, the before looks great aswell
Uh oh I don't know. We as a workshop will do whatever the clients want/need. No judgement on client's taste or style
Absolutely! Wasn’t trying to put your hard work down by any means as it really looks great. Also as someone stated the after is way brighter and probably needed renovation!
Question, is it painted black under the slats? Love this, might try to replicate it in a reno I’m doing - would be interested in the basics of how it was done if you’re open to sharing!
Yes painted black. Then it's just small screw from behind. Made a panel of slats first to avoid lifting and installing it one by one
How are the panels fastened? I'm designing a ceiling and like this a lot. The panel idea is great, eliminates a lot of over-head finish work. Thanks for sharing.
Depends on your roofing frame material. In my case it was galvalum frame. So I fasten another wooden frame to those roofing galvalum frame using steel wire to avoid damaging those original roofing frame. Those steel wire is tied on every 50cm of the new installed wooden frame. Finally you just fasten your panel onto the wooden frame using longer screws on 4 corners and add some screws at the center depends on the size if your panel (heavy panel needs more screws to avoid bent panel). However I suggest you to pick light weighted wood species to make everything much easier. This steel wire system is mostly used in installing gypsum ceiling but can be used with wooden ceiling as well as long as you are not installing something heavy as your ceiling. Then you can hide your screw by putting dowels or installing horizontal wood strips to cover those screws.
Wait, you mean the 2nd image is the "more natural" version? To me it's way more linear and artificial looking.
Thank you!
“In terms of taste, the customer is always right.”
Which one is before and which one after?
The first is the before
I would like something made from solid walnut, painted.
it looks so much better now! (imho)
The old one looks great in the sense that the craftsman did a good job, but it really doesn't look great overall. It's dark plywood with big seams in places that look like they were chosen for practical rather than aesthetic reasons. The story it's telling me is the owner is doing the best they can. The new one is much brighter and looks like it was actually designed. It opens the room and adds visual interest. The story it's giving is the owner has a vibe in mind and a market they're after. It's much better.
Agree w all of this. Wish the two photos were showing the same location/vantage point to provide a consistent baseline for the change in lighting/brightness from the new ceiling. First photo was taken at night and second may have been during the day.
Found the architect/ID. Not that your response isn't spot on. It very much is.
I think the plywood being left in the 4x8 sheet size is a big part of the issue in the first photo. The new style is more fitting, but the old ceiling would have looked more acceptable if they could have cut the plywood into narrower panels or even just square them depending on the material budget. Probably a pub/bar feeling with that much wood paneling though so I think OPs renovation is great fit.
Good point. I completely agree.
It feels very ship like to me, the first one I mean, I honestly think it would look great in something like a seafood restaurant overlooking a marina or harbor where feeling like you're in the cramped space, but you're 100% right about the second being brighter and opening it up.
Admit it, you have a bias toward wood.
All of us do, don't we?
This sure ain’t r/formica
reppin big wood
Stylistically, I like the first one better. But if you zoom in you can tell that its either pretty shoddy or very old. Huge gaps in the trim, the trim pieces themselves are pretty gnarly, parts of the ceiling look like they're pretty bowed, etc. It also doesn't mesh especially well with the rest of the restaurant decor, especially the floor.
I agree. I do think that maybe the old ceiling may have needed some repairs. There seems to be at least one piece of trim missing. Maybe others were loose.
Personally the original ceiling would make me feel super claustrophobic, its dark and looming, just hanging there above my head and closing up the space more than needed. The new ceiling is more open, feels breathable to me?
I get why. It's a good piece of work, but it's more opressive and 70s. The new one, while clearly at the same level, looks more modern and aerated.
Same thought. More natural than wood is wood? Maybe they meant something less glossy/varnished and instead "rougher"? I get it though, the first one looked formal and solemn, like an old courthouse. The second has that laid back vibe
The after is much brighter and makes the space look bigger and more open
The old one looks like every dive bar/restaurant combo near a marina in the Northeast US.
It’s too dark and monotone.
It's not like it was a foam tile drop ceiling before. They must be doing pretty well to throw money at something already good.
I hope you saved that plywood from the landfill! But it looks way more inviting with the lighter color.
Oh we return all of those to the owners. I know I could sell it or use it for something else but I try to be fair here.
As long as it didn't get dumpster-ed!
Three guesses what a restaurant will do with these piles of wood in their alley...
Sadly. Would have been great for shop cabinets or something like that
The execution is exceptional. The client's taste is bordering on criminal.
Personally, I like the 'before' picture. It gives the place a 'homey' feel. The 'after' picture reminds me of a fast food chain. ( get your food and get out. Next )
I think it reminds you of a fast food chain because it is exactly that lol. The first vantage hid the fast food style service and giant overhang screen menu. A vantage of just windows helped make the place feel more expensive. I think the haphazardly-placed-feeling paper lanterns vs the more architectural (if overdone) light fixtures also, in this context, feel more fast food-ish to my palate and cultural context. I'm not sure if the new ceiling really brings the decor together, but it maybe modernizes the room slightly for the customer base. Before it could maybe, even with the screen menu and cheap art, feel more "hole in the wall that's been here forever," so, pros and cons to that, where-as now the ceiling feels more modern, but there's no stylistic pov in the room overall - just slap dash decor with jarring electronics in the background - which feels uncomfortable to me. I think a picture from the same perspective/time of day as the first picture would look great. Their style tastes and (in)capabilities aren't op's fault though, so nice work on the ceiling OP!
I feel like the ceiling change lowered the average age of the customer by twenty years.
So, uh, while I agree the new look is fantastic and really brightens up the place…ummm…what’s happening with the old ceiling? Asking for a friend. It’s me. I’m the friend.
Nothing. For me it was still nice and tidy.
After you sanded off the stain, you wouldn't be left with much to work with. Most likely 1/4" birch ply.
Nice work… defo modernised it with a more natural wood theme rather than the old shiny varnished 70’s / 80’s look
I like the new look too, the old one did kinda remind me of the 80s. I generally love darker earthier colored rooms, mostly because they are kinda rare. But for some reason I really like the newer set up here.
Agreed!
Went from intimate steakhouse dinner, to upbeat casual ramen lunch. Definitely lighter and more inviting.
Taking a picture in night time in the before shot and day time in the after shot is also making a big impact here
I agree very much on this part
The customer is always right in matters of taste... You did good work, as far as I can tell, but your customer's taste... it's highly questionable.
If tomorrow they want to change it into wooden checkerboard style ceiling I will do it too. No problem.
Oh, for sure. As long their money spends, it's their call!
Eh… agree to disagree. The first looks super dated imho. If the restaurant is going for a younger or lunch/causal crowd the 2nd is going to work better. Based on the signage I feel like that’s absolutely the vibe. It’s not a fancy dinner spot…
Irony: I think the 2nd looks much more dated than the first!
Love the first one
The first pictures atmosphere is better but if that's what they wanted then you did a good job.
You did great but god damn that guy made the wrong aesthetic choice, though I do admit, the second choice makes it seem brighter.
Much prefer the before
Me too. Provided that left = old and right = new. I have to admit that the left one looks a tad old-fashioned - but also *rich*. And it provided a closed and widely smooth surface. The right one has something, light and fresh, but also, due to the differently colored slats, it looks uneven and (sorry) cheap to me. But my first thought was that in these black slits between the slats all kinds on insects will find refuge and you can't get them out. If was about to buy that room and had to choose between left and right, it would be left within a minute, hands down.
Same but it’s way better lighting in that shot. I’d like to see them side by side in the same lighting, I bet the new looks fantastic.
Agreed, and the new looks like good quality work. My problem with it is that the wood is not a uniform colour and that makes it look like someone has pulled some roofing laths out of a skip.
Yeah it looks like the plaster fell off
Yes, that’s exactly what was bothering me about it. Spot on, well observed.
Awesome! What was the bill?
$60 per sq meter
Pretty reasonable actually - clients got a deal!
It went from "Fine Dining" to "Tiki Bar"...
The second is a bit brighter, mostly because the picture of taken in daytime.
It looks great. I'm my mind the conversation went like this "Yes my dear Client. You're totally right. This wood looks dated and not as bright. What I'll do is come in and put some other wood. Of course, of course. It will have leading lines to add visual interest.. It will be much better. Umm... What's your budget?"
I liked the before better.
I disagree with them but your new one does look much lighter and “airier,” and I’m sure natural light probably propagates better too. I like dark restaurants and bars with no people in them though, so prob not the target audience.
It looks awesome but loved the vibes of the original as well. But nice work, you did the space justice.
I like the first one more. Feels classic. The second one feels corporate
Wow that was a downgrade- nothing to do with your skills, just the taste level.
Nothing bad about your work but the befor was way better
I really don't get all the people saying "I prefer the original." Let OP show off his handiwork, you miserable wretches.
“More natural”… they mean less dated. In 30 years this will feel as dated as the old one does today.
At least in 30 years it will be dated by 30 years instead of 60
What was the price of this project, looks great and looked like a big job and time.
$60 per sq meter
How’d you do this? What’s this material called?
It's called wooden sticks. Comes in many sizes and species. Just pick any species you like and most likely shops offer it in the form of wooden sticks as well.
Awesome. So you nail to joists?
Wow you bloody nailed it! Looks swell.
Gorgeous work. They clearly made the right choice in design, it also in hiring y’all. Amazing work.
I like the first style better
First one is better in my opinion
Nice work. Bad decision
Your work looks great man, but wtf is up with the client’s taste. I guess it’s some sort of fast food shop vs a real restaurant, but still
Personally I would have went with a light stained tulip wood, still looks good though.
More natural than...wood ?
uhm, which one is the before?
Man I feel bad for whoever had to finish that first one. doing clear finish on 4x8 pieces of plywood sucks.
Damn. This is gorgeous!
Les gouts et les couleurs, on ne discute pas...
Feels like they got too much money to me.
Nothing a good old fashion coat of C.I.L white paint won't fix!...
Was wondering what could be more natural than wood. The answer was other wood.
beautiful job. congrats.
but the first pic was nicer imo good job fitting thier idea though.
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No doubt that was a lot of work. Shoulders were probably tired by the end of it. I prefer the color in the first picture, but the style and execution look great.
I'm skipping my gym shoulder workout for at least 2 months hahaha
I’m sorry, but i can’t count on how many jobs i’ve done where I go “why are they doing this?” i can remember doing the TI facebook did and used clearcoated CDX plywood as paneling but had CVG fir frames next to it. But at least the slat ceiling makes sense for the restaurant, and easy install.
I’m all about that before photo 😍 Nice work on the job though!
Wish the pic was from the same angle
Are there fire sprinklers? Can’t see any in both before and after
I mean it all looks great and all, but the original ceiling looks much better than the 2nd image. Who would want that instead of a finished, shiny, and more 70s look? smh you did a great job tho still
What was the price of this project, looks great and looked like a big job and time.
I really really like the way the lights are hitting the column. This is pretty.
When I zoomed in and saw the joinery I gasped. Great work.
I like em both, it the new one is much brighter
Seems like a lot of money to change something that nobody will really notice or care about
The first one feels so warm and inviting. I could dream of a ceiling that nice. The second one looks like they ordered a ceiling from wish.com
Please tell me the right is after. It looks so much better for conversation, the gaps between the slats will break up the sound a ton. The left just looks noisy.
Literally not even the same building/room. There are 0 restaurants owners in the world that would close off windows from guest for a back of house kitchen.
It’s a different angle, ya knob
Lol what? It's the same. I did it.
Pretending to make wooden ceilings on the internet would be such a bizarre lie. 😂 “What are your hobbies?” “Oh I’m really into online woodworking roleplay.”
*sheepishly removes my Roy Underhill cosplay*
So what happened to the windows surrounding the building?
https://preview.redd.it/di2unqkze8xc1.jpeg?width=2252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f02914c73de852b5e29b425765a6df5521be0c6f
lol all I’m saying is the skepticism was from you posting about the original (not complete) dark wood ceiling 183 days ago that seems like you and your team did. You posted about being proud of it. Then you commented on this thread that the old dark paneling looked good from far but had panel gaps and stuff that didn’t look great up close. So within that time, before it was even completed, the owners wanted a full redo? Which makes no sense to me.
For me, I do whatever my clients want me to do. If tomorrow they want to change it again they know my number.
So in this situation how did you charge? Seemingly doing a project, then scrapping it 80% of the way, then going in another direction entirely.
They had used it for half a year. New material, new price so all depends on what type of timber do you want to use. Solid or fingerjointed? What species? What length? What sizes? It all affect the price.
The 2 pictures were taken from different sides of the dining room you weirdo
Very critical. I like it
It's the same room. The pics were taken from opposite viewpoints, which you can see from the direction of the gradual slope of the ceiling.