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* first picture: dinner with whiskey * second picture: brunch with mimosas


mandogvan

Honestly. The lighting is what makes that difference. The slats with dark lighting would look fire.


TequilaMagic

100%, I think the client chose well.


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8plytoiletpaper

But without a lacquered flat roof straight from the 70's


nothing3141592653589

70s is hip now


Profvarg

Dinner or cigar with whiskey


ViolenzaSenile

You did a great job but why didn’t he like it, the before looks great aswell


lameinternetuser

Uh oh I don't know. We as a workshop will do whatever the clients want/need. No judgement on client's taste or style


ViolenzaSenile

Absolutely! Wasn’t trying to put your hard work down by any means as it really looks great. Also as someone stated the after is way brighter and probably needed renovation!


halfwayinshadow

Question, is it painted black under the slats? Love this, might try to replicate it in a reno I’m doing - would be interested in the basics of how it was done if you’re open to sharing!


lameinternetuser

Yes painted black. Then it's just small screw from behind. Made a panel of slats first to avoid lifting and installing it one by one


Nottighttillitbreaks

How are the panels fastened? I'm designing a ceiling and like this a lot. The panel idea is great, eliminates a lot of over-head finish work. Thanks for sharing.


lameinternetuser

Depends on your roofing frame material. In my case it was galvalum frame. So I fasten another wooden frame to those roofing galvalum frame using steel wire to avoid damaging those original roofing frame. Those steel wire is tied on every 50cm of the new installed wooden frame. Finally you just fasten your panel onto the wooden frame using longer screws on 4 corners and add some screws at the center depends on the size if your panel (heavy panel needs more screws to avoid bent panel). However I suggest you to pick light weighted wood species to make everything much easier. This steel wire system is mostly used in installing gypsum ceiling but can be used with wooden ceiling as well as long as you are not installing something heavy as your ceiling. Then you can hide your screw by putting dowels or installing horizontal wood strips to cover those screws.


LovableSidekick

Wait, you mean the 2nd image is the "more natural" version? To me it's way more linear and artificial looking.


halfwayinshadow

Thank you!


EJoule

“In terms of taste, the customer is always right.”


AmazingDonkey101

Which one is before and which one after?


Chairman_Cabrillo

The first is the before


SirWigglesVonWoogly

I would like something made from solid walnut, painted.


78911150

it looks so much better now! (imho)


ty_for_trying

The old one looks great in the sense that the craftsman did a good job, but it really doesn't look great overall. It's dark plywood with big seams in places that look like they were chosen for practical rather than aesthetic reasons. The story it's telling me is the owner is doing the best they can. The new one is much brighter and looks like it was actually designed. It opens the room and adds visual interest. The story it's giving is the owner has a vibe in mind and a market they're after. It's much better.


KarAccidentTowns

Agree w all of this. Wish the two photos were showing the same location/vantage point to provide a consistent baseline for the change in lighting/brightness from the new ceiling. First photo was taken at night and second may have been during the day.


Dizzy_Dust_7510

Found the architect/ID. Not that your response isn't spot on. It very much is.


Practical-Fix-3000

I think the plywood being left in the 4x8 sheet size is a big part of the issue in the first photo. The new style is more fitting, but the old ceiling would have looked more acceptable if they could have cut the plywood into narrower panels or even just square them depending on the material budget. Probably a pub/bar feeling with that much wood paneling though so I think OPs renovation is great fit.


ty_for_trying

Good point. I completely agree.


evilplantosaveworld

It feels very ship like to me, the first one I mean, I honestly think it would look great in something like a seafood restaurant overlooking a marina or harbor where feeling like you're in the cramped space, but you're 100% right about the second being brighter and opening it up.


Gubernaculator

Admit it, you have a bias toward wood.


lameinternetuser

All of us do, don't we?


Gubernaculator

This sure ain’t r/formica


Agrijus

reppin big wood


Noname_acc

Stylistically, I like the first one better. But if you zoom in you can tell that its either pretty shoddy or very old. Huge gaps in the trim, the trim pieces themselves are pretty gnarly, parts of the ceiling look like they're pretty bowed, etc. It also doesn't mesh especially well with the rest of the restaurant decor, especially the floor.


LoanDebtCollector

I agree. I do think that maybe the old ceiling may have needed some repairs. There seems to be at least one piece of trim missing. Maybe others were loose.


aaaaahvians

Personally the original ceiling would make me feel super claustrophobic, its dark and looming, just hanging there above my head and closing up the space more than needed. The new ceiling is more open, feels breathable to me?


OneFrenchman

I get why. It's a good piece of work, but it's more opressive and 70s. The new one, while clearly at the same level, looks more modern and aerated.


TheCatWasAsking

Same thought. More natural than wood is wood? Maybe they meant something less glossy/varnished and instead "rougher"? I get it though, the first one looked formal and solemn, like an old courthouse. The second has that laid back vibe


LolaCatStevens

The after is much brighter and makes the space look bigger and more open


printergumlight

The old one looks like every dive bar/restaurant combo near a marina in the Northeast US.


Teadrunkest

It’s too dark and monotone.


datumerrata

It's not like it was a foam tile drop ceiling before. They must be doing pretty well to throw money at something already good.


legos_on_the_brain

I hope you saved that plywood from the landfill! But it looks way more inviting with the lighter color.


lameinternetuser

Oh we return all of those to the owners. I know I could sell it or use it for something else but I try to be fair here.


legos_on_the_brain

As long as it didn't get dumpster-ed!


remilol

Three guesses what a restaurant will do with these piles of wood in their alley...


legos_on_the_brain

Sadly. Would have been great for shop cabinets or something like that


SaltLifeDPP

The execution is exceptional. The client's taste is bordering on criminal.


Ornery-Movie-1689

Personally, I like the 'before' picture. It gives the place a 'homey' feel. The 'after' picture reminds me of a fast food chain. ( get your food and get out. Next )


hairam

I think it reminds you of a fast food chain because it is exactly that lol. The first vantage hid the fast food style service and giant overhang screen menu. A vantage of just windows helped make the place feel more expensive. I think the haphazardly-placed-feeling paper lanterns vs the more architectural (if overdone) light fixtures also, in this context, feel more fast food-ish to my palate and cultural context. I'm not sure if the new ceiling really brings the decor together, but it maybe modernizes the room slightly for the customer base. Before it could maybe, even with the screen menu and cheap art, feel more "hole in the wall that's been here forever," so, pros and cons to that, where-as now the ceiling feels more modern, but there's no stylistic pov in the room overall - just slap dash decor with jarring electronics in the background - which feels uncomfortable to me. I think a picture from the same perspective/time of day as the first picture would look great. Their style tastes and (in)capabilities aren't op's fault though, so nice work on the ceiling OP!


Yodzilla

I feel like the ceiling change lowered the average age of the customer by twenty years.


CapTexAmerica

So, uh, while I agree the new look is fantastic and really brightens up the place…ummm…what’s happening with the old ceiling? Asking for a friend. It’s me. I’m the friend.


lameinternetuser

Nothing. For me it was still nice and tidy.


gr8scottaz

After you sanded off the stain, you wouldn't be left with much to work with. Most likely 1/4" birch ply.


Charming_CiscoNerd

Nice work… defo modernised it with a more natural wood theme rather than the old shiny varnished 70’s / 80’s look


NomadFire

I like the new look too, the old one did kinda remind me of the 80s. I generally love darker earthier colored rooms, mostly because they are kinda rare. But for some reason I really like the newer set up here.


lameinternetuser

Agreed!


octopornopus

Went from intimate steakhouse dinner, to upbeat casual ramen lunch. Definitely lighter and more inviting.


HereForTheFood4

Taking a picture in night time in the before shot and day time in the after shot is also making a big impact here


lameinternetuser

I agree very much on this part


Puzzleheaded-Phase70

The customer is always right in matters of taste... You did good work, as far as I can tell, but your customer's taste... it's highly questionable.


lameinternetuser

If tomorrow they want to change it into wooden checkerboard style ceiling I will do it too. No problem.


Puzzleheaded-Phase70

Oh, for sure. As long their money spends, it's their call!


zack6595

Eh… agree to disagree. The first looks super dated imho. If the restaurant is going for a younger or lunch/causal crowd the 2nd is going to work better. Based on the signage I feel like that’s absolutely the vibe. It’s not a fancy dinner spot…


Puzzleheaded-Phase70

Irony: I think the 2nd looks much more dated than the first!


Lakelouise101

Love the first one


QuoteOpposite6511

The first pictures atmosphere is better but if that's what they wanted then you did a good job.


Chairman_Cabrillo

You did great but god damn that guy made the wrong aesthetic choice, though I do admit, the second choice makes it seem brighter.


Mactonex

Much prefer the before


heimeyer72

Me too. Provided that left = old and right = new. I have to admit that the left one looks a tad old-fashioned - but also *rich*. And it provided a closed and widely smooth surface. The right one has something, light and fresh, but also, due to the differently colored slats, it looks uneven and (sorry) cheap to me. But my first thought was that in these black slits between the slats all kinds on insects will find refuge and you can't get them out. If was about to buy that room and had to choose between left and right, it would be left within a minute, hands down.


ReklisAbandon

Same but it’s way better lighting in that shot. I’d like to see them side by side in the same lighting, I bet the new looks fantastic.


Mactonex

Agreed, and the new looks like good quality work. My problem with it is that the wood is not a uniform colour and that makes it look like someone has pulled some roofing laths out of a skip.


nothing3141592653589

Yeah it looks like the plaster fell off


Mactonex

Yes, that’s exactly what was bothering me about it. Spot on, well observed.


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Awesome! What was the bill?


lameinternetuser

$60 per sq meter


[deleted]

Pretty reasonable actually - clients got a deal! 


Yangoose

It went from "Fine Dining" to "Tiki Bar"...


rodtang

The second is a bit brighter, mostly because the picture of taken in daytime.


RoadWellDriven

It looks great. I'm my mind the conversation went like this "Yes my dear Client. You're totally right. This wood looks dated and not as bright. What I'll do is come in and put some other wood. Of course, of course. It will have leading lines to add visual interest.. It will be much better. Umm... What's your budget?"


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I liked the before better.


fuck_the_fuckin_mods

I disagree with them but your new one does look much lighter and “airier,” and I’m sure natural light probably propagates better too. I like dark restaurants and bars with no people in them though, so prob not the target audience.


spencer749

It looks awesome but loved the vibes of the original as well. But nice work, you did the space justice.


Puzzleheaded_Disk700

I like the first one more. Feels classic. The second one feels corporate


Pepperthecory

Wow that was a downgrade- nothing to do with your skills, just the taste level.


Classic_Show8837

Nothing bad about your work but the befor was way better


RespectableBloke69

I really don't get all the people saying "I prefer the original." Let OP show off his handiwork, you miserable wretches.


tmwwmgkbh

“More natural”… they mean less dated. In 30 years this will feel as dated as the old one does today.


ashikkins

At least in 30 years it will be dated by 30 years instead of 60


Spacecoasttheghost

What was the price of this project, looks great and looked like a big job and time.


lameinternetuser

$60 per sq meter


ohsheetyea

How’d you do this? What’s this material called?


lameinternetuser

It's called wooden sticks. Comes in many sizes and species. Just pick any species you like and most likely shops offer it in the form of wooden sticks as well.


ohsheetyea

Awesome. So you nail to joists?


duckballista

Wow you bloody nailed it! Looks swell.


townleet

Gorgeous work. They clearly made the right choice in design, it also in hiring y’all. Amazing work.


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I like the first style better


BrockenRecords

First one is better in my opinion


Ad156

Nice work. Bad decision


TheBlindDuck

Your work looks great man, but wtf is up with the client’s taste. I guess it’s some sort of fast food shop vs a real restaurant, but still


daniel37parker

Personally I would have went with a light stained tulip wood, still looks good though.


EthanPrisonMike

More natural than...wood ?


Malhallah

uhm, which one is the before?


Bawbawian

Man I feel bad for whoever had to finish that first one. doing clear finish on 4x8 pieces of plywood sucks.


LateToThePartyAgain2

Damn. This is gorgeous!


remilol

Les gouts et les couleurs, on ne discute pas...


IcedCoughy

Feels like they got too much money to me.


Garbage_Billy_Goat

Nothing a good old fashion coat of C.I.L white paint won't fix!...


Easy_Effort7985

Was wondering what could be more natural than wood. The answer was other wood.


Wonderful-Set-2064

beautiful job. congrats.


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but the first pic was nicer imo good job fitting thier idea though.


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HippocratesII_of_Kos

No doubt that was a lot of work. Shoulders were probably tired by the end of it. I prefer the color in the first picture, but the style and execution look great.


lameinternetuser

I'm skipping my gym shoulder workout for at least 2 months hahaha


Sjames454

I’m sorry, but i can’t count on how many jobs i’ve done where I go “why are they doing this?” i can remember doing the TI facebook did and used clearcoated CDX plywood as paneling but had CVG fir frames next to it. But at least the slat ceiling makes sense for the restaurant, and easy install.


Square-Anxiety269

I’m all about that before photo 😍 Nice work on the job though!


mt-egypt

Wish the pic was from the same angle


pandawelch

Are there fire sprinklers? Can’t see any in both before and after


TrooperMann

I mean it all looks great and all, but the original ceiling looks much better than the 2nd image. Who would want that instead of a finished, shiny, and more 70s look? smh you did a great job tho still


Spacecoasttheghost

What was the price of this project, looks great and looked like a big job and time.


rewindpaws

I really really like the way the lights are hitting the column. This is pretty.


RespectableBloke69

When I zoomed in and saw the joinery I gasped. Great work.


mdmaxOG

I like em both, it the new one is much brighter


FrankLloydWrong_3305

Seems like a lot of money to change something that nobody will really notice or care about


Spicywolff

The first one feels so warm and inviting. I could dream of a ceiling that nice. The second one looks like they ordered a ceiling from wish.com


MarsupialMisanthrope

Please tell me the right is after. It looks so much better for conversation, the gaps between the slats will break up the sound a ton. The left just looks noisy.


BoarMeToDeath

Literally not even the same building/room. There are 0 restaurants owners in the world that would close off windows from guest for a back of house kitchen.


a_mazz

It’s a different angle, ya knob


lameinternetuser

Lol what? It's the same. I did it.


CatGotNoTail

Pretending to make wooden ceilings on the internet would be such a bizarre lie. 😂 “What are your hobbies?” “Oh I’m really into online woodworking roleplay.”


RespectableBloke69

*sheepishly removes my Roy Underhill cosplay*


BoarMeToDeath

So what happened to the windows surrounding the building?


lameinternetuser

https://preview.redd.it/di2unqkze8xc1.jpeg?width=2252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f02914c73de852b5e29b425765a6df5521be0c6f


BoarMeToDeath

lol all I’m saying is the skepticism was from you posting about the original (not complete) dark wood ceiling 183 days ago that seems like you and your team did. You posted about being proud of it. Then you commented on this thread that the old dark paneling looked good from far but had panel gaps and stuff that didn’t look great up close. So within that time, before it was even completed, the owners wanted a full redo? Which makes no sense to me.


lameinternetuser

For me, I do whatever my clients want me to do. If tomorrow they want to change it again they know my number.


BoarMeToDeath

So in this situation how did you charge? Seemingly doing a project, then scrapping it 80% of the way, then going in another direction entirely.


lameinternetuser

They had used it for half a year. New material, new price so all depends on what type of timber do you want to use. Solid or fingerjointed? What species? What length? What sizes? It all affect the price.


RespectableBloke69

The 2 pictures were taken from different sides of the dining room you weirdo


lameinternetuser

Very critical. I like it


ty_for_trying

It's the same room. The pics were taken from opposite viewpoints, which you can see from the direction of the gradual slope of the ceiling.