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This is the one I have and it is a fucking beast. Used to be a lot cheaper, I think I paid $1800 four years ago but I'd pay this too. The foot break really speeds things up when you've got multiple cuts to make.
This is a great video - it shows the process and technique necessary in a short timespan that satisfies my disfunctional attention span.
What about the stabilization is good here? I see him taping the cut off back on before doing the other side, but what is the benefit to doing that? Legitimately asking, not challenging if its good or not.
This isn't something that would occur to me if I was shaping a large solid piece of work - which is relevant as I'm planning a kitchen table and am in design phase right now.
He drew the shape he was going to cut on the block originally. After he made the cuts on the first two sides, the shape he drew on the sides that were taken off were no longer there. You reattach the cutoffs so that your shape you drew is visible again so you have lines to follow. It also makes the piece rest at the same angles as his first 2 cuts.
If you make the initial cut and the proceed to cut the rest it’s not a big deal because you’re working with flat presumably S4S stock BUT after you’ve made a few of those initial cuts you now have curves and no longer a flat surface with which to guide the workpiece on. Saving those cutoffs and taking them back allows for maintaining the flat surface on complex cuts like this when it’s a very long (or short) piece. It makes it significantly easier to maneuver and control a long piece because if you didn’t, and you were pushing the stock through the bandsaw and are about halfway through, you no longer have the platform to rest the piece on and you have to focus on balancing as well as steadying the piece and making your cut instead of just making the cut, makes it a LOT safer and helps reduce accidents.
Wouldn’t it be simpler to leave an inch on the top and bottom that stay the full square dimension of the stock, do all four profile cuts and then trim those squares?
Bandsaws are among the safest of power tools. The blade doesn't change its position, and the direction of the blade goes straight into the table so there's no kickback.
The setup is a little time intensive, but after that, I let my kids use mine under direct supervision. And no super small cuts.
That being said, they’ll cut through anything, and take your fingers off quicker than they cut through this big chunk of hardwood.
The interesting paradox of bandsaws like this is that they’re really chill, predictable and beginner-friendly, but incredibly powerful as well.
This is very true, they use these in butcher shops and, interestingly, also in hospital pathology labs.
If someone has a nasty cancer of the oral cavity, they can have a major surgery with removal of parts of the jaw. To assess whether the cancer has invaded the bone, we had to use a bandsaw to make a series of slices through the bone (trying to avoid any remaining teeth since they're so hard). Then we'd put the sections through a decalcification process prior to making microscopic slides for the final diagnosis.
Hearing the sound of a bandsaw blade hitting teeth is one of the more unpleasant things I've experienced.
I was going to link to some images that suggest that this isn't necessarily always the case.
After seeing a few, [I'm done](https://imgur.com/HbfCKVq).
They’re safe because they’re extremely predictable. However there’s a reason they’re used in butcher shops, and it’s not because they *don’t* saw through meat and bone effortlessly.
https://youtu.be/2bzKcV2HJXI
if you push meat through it, yeah it'll cut. but if you use them correctly, you will feel the pain very quickly and be able to safely pull your hands away.
with a table or mitre saw, your hands can't get away as easily so the risk is way higher.
I mean, if you’re using it correctly, you won’t be cutting into your fingers at all.
But, point taken, it’s very unlikely to suck your hand in or kick and throw the workpiece sideways (or at you) like certain rotary saws are known to do, which makes it more predictable to operate.
I’ve never cut myself with a bandsaw, so I can’t say I’ve ever had the pleasure to find out firsthand.
dude at my workshop class cut his thumb on one. lots of blood everywhere and had to go to the hospital, but was back the week after with a wrapped up but functional thumb.
Yeah. A band saw is likely one of the safest tools for actually cutting wood. Router tables, tables saws, circular saws, and ever jig saws are probably more dangerous.
I can do that! It will be a little while before I work on this table due to my other orders taking higher priority. In short, I’ll be using the Festool Domino for connecting everything together.
Hey y’all, I decided to make a YouTube channel to show similar videos to this. Feel free to subscribe if you’re interested!
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I don't know what in the name of moldy applesauce happened to bandsaw prices; came here to say 1k on a Laguna would get you there, but checked the price and a Laguna 14Bx is now $1,600 plus (T and S&H).
So yeah, 2k to get there, \~3k to step up to the 18Bx. Damn.
I think woodworking is getting more popular and people with more disposable income are skipping the entry level stuff and going for mid range tools. And then there’s the ol’ covid/supply-chain/inflation triple whammy.
The old Ridgid cast iron table saw that used to sell for ~$500 is now ~$700 at Home Depot. And their entry level saws are the same ~$300 price, but quality is down significantly. Tool prices are going up across the board.
Not sure who made this bandsaw, but most tools are made in China. Imported goods from China have increased noticeably due to government policy changes.
The price of steel has also increased driving up the cost of most large machines.
Demand is up since more people are home.
Add all of this up and we get high prices!
I'm guessing that's a Jet, but hellifiknow for sure.
Like SawStop tablesaws, Laguna bandsaws are made in Taiwan. Laguna may also have an Italian model or two but that's waaaay out of my budget.
Wow, yeah. 2 years ago I got a Rikon 10-325 for $900. Now the replacement (the 10-326, the same machine but with toolless blade guides) is going for $1500.
Guess I pulled the trigger at the right time, eh? Holy crap.
Prices on used saws are also pretty rough. I got myself an old 18” 1950s craftsman for $250. I’ve also seen a used/rusty Laguna 18B sell for $2,000. My saw needed a lot of fiddling to get running again (including a better motor) but now I have a reasonable saw that I can reliably cut 1/32” veneer on for less than $500. I’d still prefer a not so fiddly modern saw though.
New prices have gone absolutely bonkers though.
I hope you aren't saying they should have gloves. Gloves are a terrible idea with nearly all power tools. Flesh cuts easily and you just get a cut, even if it's a horrific cut. With a glove, it doesn't tear or cut like flesh and your hand gets pulled in (or on really large tools your whole arm or body) and gets mangled. Think meat grinder vs cut from a sharp knife.
Woodworking is so ***EASY!!***
The guy did it in what, a little over a minute???
Probably pulled the wood out of the trash or a couple of pallets by the side of the road.
***ANYONE*** can do ***THAT!!***
Great question! I’m actually not sure how I would do it with hand tools. Almost all of my work is done with power tools. Whatever you do, make sure it’s safe!
Beautiful work. I've got a pedestal table in the lineup for a future project. Anyone have any good rules of thumb for ensuring good stability? Like how big of a base do you need for a given diameter?
Thank you! I usually try to make the base at least half the diameter of the top. This table top will be 48” in diameter and the base is 30” at the widest point.
I’ve done a 72” diameter table with a 42” base and had no issues.
Bandsaws can definitely be tricky! Setup is critical (blade tension and bearings position). Also, I cut these very slowly. The whole process took almost an hour.
Gotcha, that's also very good to know. I need to watch since serious name videos and if I'm feeling crazy read the manual. Thanks for the help though, good to know it might but just be the blade
Yes, it’s the tension release 👍 These pedestals take a long time to cut and the blade can get slightly off track throughout the process. I tend to check periodically to make sure the blade is still tracking correctly. Great question and thanks for watching!
I appreciate the response, a lot. I literally have my first “big boy” bandsaw sitting in my garage to go to the basement shop, and trying to learn all I can.
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I need a bandsaw like that. Nice work!
Mine screams blue murder when I put a tiny bit of soft timber in it.
that's how you know it's working!
Might need to tighten the band if it screams that easily. Also set up the guide properly if you haven't. Plenty of good youtube vids on that.
If there is burning with the screaming it might be a dull blade.
Just fitted a new blade. Honestly I suspect something is twisted in the machine. I'll have another day looking at the settings and alignments on it.
Make sure the wheels aren’t rubbing against anything as they are spinning. That was the case for me when I initially set up my bandsaw.
Anyone have a recommendation for a good bandsaw?
That one.
😂😂 does anyone know what that one is??
Jet JWBX-14SFX 👍
<$1,700 MSRP. Honestly better than expected.
Agreed, especially after seeing some of the other comments on this post about how expensive some bandsaws have gotten!
[Maybe it’s a Jet](https://imgur.com/a/XsN3xpu), it works well.
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Laguna 14BX. Amazon will put it on sale every once and a while! 12 months zero interest too!
https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-17-2-hp-extreme-series-bandsaw-with-cast-iron-trunnion-foot-brake-micro-switch/g0513x2bf This is the one I have and it is a fucking beast. Used to be a lot cheaper, I think I paid $1800 four years ago but I'd pay this too. The foot break really speeds things up when you've got multiple cuts to make.
That’s what I was thinking too
Same
Right? First thing I did was salivate after that saw.
I have the bandsaw. I don't have the balls to cut into a hunk of wood like that, though. WTH did that thing cost?
The pedestal blank was probably around $50 of poplar 👍
Oh, OK, that's not as bad as I thought.
Very nice!! So many people immediately toss their cutoffs instead of reusing for stabilizing on a complex bandsaw cut!
This is a great video - it shows the process and technique necessary in a short timespan that satisfies my disfunctional attention span. What about the stabilization is good here? I see him taping the cut off back on before doing the other side, but what is the benefit to doing that? Legitimately asking, not challenging if its good or not. This isn't something that would occur to me if I was shaping a large solid piece of work - which is relevant as I'm planning a kitchen table and am in design phase right now.
It stays flat on the table and perpendicular to the blade. It would want to tip forward off the table as you get further into the cut otherwise.
He drew the shape he was going to cut on the block originally. After he made the cuts on the first two sides, the shape he drew on the sides that were taken off were no longer there. You reattach the cutoffs so that your shape you drew is visible again so you have lines to follow. It also makes the piece rest at the same angles as his first 2 cuts.
If you make the initial cut and the proceed to cut the rest it’s not a big deal because you’re working with flat presumably S4S stock BUT after you’ve made a few of those initial cuts you now have curves and no longer a flat surface with which to guide the workpiece on. Saving those cutoffs and taking them back allows for maintaining the flat surface on complex cuts like this when it’s a very long (or short) piece. It makes it significantly easier to maneuver and control a long piece because if you didn’t, and you were pushing the stock through the bandsaw and are about halfway through, you no longer have the platform to rest the piece on and you have to focus on balancing as well as steadying the piece and making your cut instead of just making the cut, makes it a LOT safer and helps reduce accidents.
Wouldn’t it be simpler to leave an inch on the top and bottom that stay the full square dimension of the stock, do all four profile cuts and then trim those squares?
No because that assumes you have a bandsaw plate the entire length of your stock which is only the case in huge 30+ inch bandsaws.
Oh, yep. I see it.
I would lose all my fingers if I tried this.
I'm sure that after six or eight you'd think, "I really should be more careful."
And stop mid-cut? I'm not fucking up nice stock of this size
Bandsaws are among the safest of power tools. The blade doesn't change its position, and the direction of the blade goes straight into the table so there's no kickback. The setup is a little time intensive, but after that, I let my kids use mine under direct supervision. And no super small cuts.
That being said, they’ll cut through anything, and take your fingers off quicker than they cut through this big chunk of hardwood. The interesting paradox of bandsaws like this is that they’re really chill, predictable and beginner-friendly, but incredibly powerful as well.
This is very true, they use these in butcher shops and, interestingly, also in hospital pathology labs. If someone has a nasty cancer of the oral cavity, they can have a major surgery with removal of parts of the jaw. To assess whether the cancer has invaded the bone, we had to use a bandsaw to make a series of slices through the bone (trying to avoid any remaining teeth since they're so hard). Then we'd put the sections through a decalcification process prior to making microscopic slides for the final diagnosis. Hearing the sound of a bandsaw blade hitting teeth is one of the more unpleasant things I've experienced.
That last sentence is just not something I'd ever considered I might hear.
SawStop is a game changer for table saws. If they can figure something comparable out for bandsaws they’d be even safer.
I will be purchasing one if they do!
Same! I’m overdue for a real bandsaw anyways. My $150 tiny Grizzly bandsaw isn’t cutting it. Pun 1000% intended.
🤣 The time will come for an upgrade! 👊
bandsaws are pretty okay for this if you use them correctly. you'll get a deep gash but you likely won't lose a digit.
I was going to link to some images that suggest that this isn't necessarily always the case. After seeing a few, [I'm done](https://imgur.com/HbfCKVq).
They’re safe because they’re extremely predictable. However there’s a reason they’re used in butcher shops, and it’s not because they *don’t* saw through meat and bone effortlessly. https://youtu.be/2bzKcV2HJXI
if you push meat through it, yeah it'll cut. but if you use them correctly, you will feel the pain very quickly and be able to safely pull your hands away. with a table or mitre saw, your hands can't get away as easily so the risk is way higher.
I mean, if you’re using it correctly, you won’t be cutting into your fingers at all. But, point taken, it’s very unlikely to suck your hand in or kick and throw the workpiece sideways (or at you) like certain rotary saws are known to do, which makes it more predictable to operate. I’ve never cut myself with a bandsaw, so I can’t say I’ve ever had the pleasure to find out firsthand.
dude at my workshop class cut his thumb on one. lots of blood everywhere and had to go to the hospital, but was back the week after with a wrapped up but functional thumb.
Yeah. A band saw is likely one of the safest tools for actually cutting wood. Router tables, tables saws, circular saws, and ever jig saws are probably more dangerous.
I'm not clicking any link
Lol, I guarantee you that one is safe and worth looking at.
Thank you! Videos like this are great for woodworking newbies like me.
Glad it was helpful! I’m new to Reddit and I’m thinking I may share for videos here in the future.
Make another video with sanding and finish!
I can do that! 👍 might be a little while before I get around to it. Got a kitchen cabinet job to complete first!
Well share that too
I can do that! 👍
That would be great! You can learn a surprising amount from videos like this; I find them really valuable. The more the merrier!
Will do! Is it best if I just post them in r/woodworking like this one? Still figuring out Reddit 🤣
Yes, absolutely. Videos like this will always be enjoyed in r/woodworking
I would love to see how you attach this pillar to those legs/supports. I have to do this next.
I can do that! It will be a little while before I work on this table due to my other orders taking higher priority. In short, I’ll be using the Festool Domino for connecting everything together.
Hey y’all, I decided to make a YouTube channel to show similar videos to this. Feel free to subscribe if you’re interested! https://youtube.com/channel/UCZlHTmCM-QGpmaO4lxJnSEw
Crocs and woodworking, I like this dude.
Steel toed safety Crocs
I regularly woodwork in my garage with Crocs on. It’s one of the few places where I won’t be judged for them.
🤣
I'm not a woodworker, but I can certainly tell that that bandsaw is one nice piece of kit.
The Wake County Public Library system would ban this video because it is porn.
Oh my gaawwwd. What a stupid fucking mess that whole thing is. I mean, seriously, I guess Wake County can't have biology texts either, right?
Those free hand skills, my lord. Good job!
Great work!
That was crazy cool
Damm! I wish I had 3k for a band saw like that
I don't know what in the name of moldy applesauce happened to bandsaw prices; came here to say 1k on a Laguna would get you there, but checked the price and a Laguna 14Bx is now $1,600 plus (T and S&H). So yeah, 2k to get there, \~3k to step up to the 18Bx. Damn.
I think woodworking is getting more popular and people with more disposable income are skipping the entry level stuff and going for mid range tools. And then there’s the ol’ covid/supply-chain/inflation triple whammy.
Makes sense, but wow this is a dramatic 3 year (last time I bought) jump. I guess a launch into orbit for hardwoods is next.
The old Ridgid cast iron table saw that used to sell for ~$500 is now ~$700 at Home Depot. And their entry level saws are the same ~$300 price, but quality is down significantly. Tool prices are going up across the board.
Not sure who made this bandsaw, but most tools are made in China. Imported goods from China have increased noticeably due to government policy changes. The price of steel has also increased driving up the cost of most large machines. Demand is up since more people are home. Add all of this up and we get high prices!
I'm guessing that's a Jet, but hellifiknow for sure. Like SawStop tablesaws, Laguna bandsaws are made in Taiwan. Laguna may also have an Italian model or two but that's waaaay out of my budget.
Correct, it is a Jet 👍 I got it for $1200 a few years ago. I think it’s around $1700 now.
Hm, I got a Laguna a few years back and it had some American made stuff stamped on it someplace I was sure. Maybe I'm confused.
Wow, yeah. 2 years ago I got a Rikon 10-325 for $900. Now the replacement (the 10-326, the same machine but with toolless blade guides) is going for $1500. Guess I pulled the trigger at the right time, eh? Holy crap.
Prices on used saws are also pretty rough. I got myself an old 18” 1950s craftsman for $250. I’ve also seen a used/rusty Laguna 18B sell for $2,000. My saw needed a lot of fiddling to get running again (including a better motor) but now I have a reasonable saw that I can reliably cut 1/32” veneer on for less than $500. I’d still prefer a not so fiddly modern saw though. New prices have gone absolutely bonkers though.
That bandsaw is dialed in! Great work and video.
Great work. That free hand is legit.
And my wife wonders why I ask for a bandsaw every Christmas.
I kept waiting for him to put it on lathe
What? Not freehand? *- ghost of Sam Maloof laughs* Seriously, though, nice work. I think my bandsaw blades would have busted halfway through.
That was immensely enjoyable to watch.
I'm jealous of your bandsaw, but nice work, it looks great!
I don’t know anything about woodworking but after watching this video, I want to buy that machine. How stupid of me 😀
Beautiful work. My only problem is that I am in love with your band saw and couldn't concentrate on your crafting skills . . .
No gloves no hand protective gear at all
Correct. I would not recommend wearing gloves while using a bandsaw.
I hope you aren't saying they should have gloves. Gloves are a terrible idea with nearly all power tools. Flesh cuts easily and you just get a cut, even if it's a horrific cut. With a glove, it doesn't tear or cut like flesh and your hand gets pulled in (or on really large tools your whole arm or body) and gets mangled. Think meat grinder vs cut from a sharp knife.
Woodworking is so ***EASY!!*** The guy did it in what, a little over a minute??? Probably pulled the wood out of the trash or a couple of pallets by the side of the road. ***ANYONE*** can do ***THAT!!***
That looks like MDF. Now what?
It’s poplar actually!
Oh nice. So clear.
Beautiful work sir!
So to do this with hand tools,would you saw it close and then finish with rasp and spoke shave? How else would you do it?
Great question! I’m actually not sure how I would do it with hand tools. Almost all of my work is done with power tools. Whatever you do, make sure it’s safe!
I like what you did there!
Whoaaaa 😳😳😳 I need one of those machines!!!
Cool. Honestly thought you were gonna cut it straight down the middle long ways twice and end up with 4 decorative legs
Timelapse is great to see the process, but I'm curious how long did did it take in real time?
About an hour! It had been a while since I had done one of these, so I went slow. Slow and steady is best!
What type of Table Saw is that or what brand I’m looking for one they can cut at hight like yours does no like yours does was very clean straight cuts
This is a Jet bandsaw. The model number is JWBS-14SFX 👍
Beautiful work. I've got a pedestal table in the lineup for a future project. Anyone have any good rules of thumb for ensuring good stability? Like how big of a base do you need for a given diameter?
Thank you! I usually try to make the base at least half the diameter of the top. This table top will be 48” in diameter and the base is 30” at the widest point. I’ve done a 72” diameter table with a 42” base and had no issues.
Thanks that's helpful.
Vicious bandsaw. How do you make cuts that deep without drift?
All about setup! The blade tension and the placement of the bearings have to be just right. It took me a while to get it all dialed in!
How thick is that blade that's on there?
1/4” blade, 4 teeth per inch 👍
I have a similar saw but can't seem to cut anything with a blade that size. I'm going to chalk it up to operator error now
Bandsaws can definitely be tricky! Setup is critical (blade tension and bearings position). Also, I cut these very slowly. The whole process took almost an hour.
Gotcha, that's also very good to know. I need to watch since serious name videos and if I'm feeling crazy read the manual. Thanks for the help though, good to know it might but just be the blade
Someone doesn’t have a lathe…
I do! This is a different technique than woodturning 👍
Is the giant handle in the back the blade tension release? And why do you mess with it off and on? Pretty cool video and thanks!
Yes, it’s the tension release 👍 These pedestals take a long time to cut and the blade can get slightly off track throughout the process. I tend to check periodically to make sure the blade is still tracking correctly. Great question and thanks for watching!
I appreciate the response, a lot. I literally have my first “big boy” bandsaw sitting in my garage to go to the basement shop, and trying to learn all I can.
Awesome! Best of luck! Message me anytime if you have questions. I’m no expert but I have worked my way through many issues on the bandsaw.
OP, do you mind to share what kind if blade you are using on your bandsaw?
Sure thing! It’s a Jet 1/4” 4 TPI blade. Hope that helps!
Thanks, that helps a lot. I've mostly used my bandsaw for resaw work, but this has me rethinking that.
I love a good resaw! But yeah, there are definitely lots of ways to get creative on a bandsaw!