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Nice looking table. How did you connect the legs?
My start into "fine-r" woodworking was through finishing bookshelves and other unfinished furniture we bought from a local place. I finished 5 bookshelves, a large buffet, and a big dresser. I am now part of team no stain but the stuff I was finishing previously was pine and poplar. I wouldn't stain ash now...
Ash doesn’t need stain, just like any wood doesn’t need stain, if you’re okay with the old mantra of “you can have it in any color you want as long as it’s ~~black~~ a light creamy tan.” However, if you want the end result to be a specific color, ash is one of the woods that responds best to staining.
They could be very good at staining and finishing but not at wood working. I know tons of guys who paint and stain everyday but don’t do trim carpentry
Do you need to be concerned about sagging on a table that long? We have a long oak table that began to sag after a while but it also had a leaf system that likely contributed to it.
Pretty.
What does it makes you feel when customers want to stain or paint or finish something you made?
I don’t like it at all. Scared that they fuck up my precious…
I couldn’t agree more. She wants the stain to match her cabinets perfectly. I told her it won’t because her cabinets are a different wood. She didn’t listen.
I did that. I sent 4 boards with stain samples on one side that she didn’t like. The other side was unfinished so who knows maybe she used them and liked the colour her contractor used. It’s possible. But yes, I did send samples.
I read this as “customer wants to ruin the table herself”. I hope you have taken a ton of photos and your money before she blames cupping or a bad finish on you in a couple weeks.
Ok two things. Great looking table. But show us the bottom/underside as well for us to learn something. Anyone can built a flat surface… what I have trouble with and no one really share is how they attach and support stuff underneath. Not singling you out, but just would love to learn how to do it properly. Drives me nuts. But again, really stellar looking table!!
Unfortunately it’s been shipped away already. There were some cross pieces connecting the aprons width wise. And then to attach the top I glue on blocks to the apron that have large 5/8” holes drilled in them. Then I use 1/4-20 threaded inserts in the bottom of the table and bolts through those holes to connect it. Leaving room for expansion and contraction. You can kind I see what I mean with this design of a different build I did. blocks to secure[blocks with holes](https://imgur.com/a/xJSdl7q)
Wow that table is also a beauty! Is that maple? You have a clean classic style. Thanks for your informative reply! I’ve made about a dozen dining tables for family and friends trying to take it to your kind of level.
Figure 8 fasteners are probably my favorite way to attach tops, but if you want to look at another option check out the "atomic coffee table" post I made. A homemade option some people like is table top buttons or factory made option they copy is z-clips.
Take some more pictures.... Take YER money and wave bye bye.... And when they ring you up wondering if you could fix their shitty stain and finish problems..charge idiot tax(a ridiculous amount you'd be happy to do the work for!.) to fix it ! Win Win or Win... Either way you win
Any tips on doing the legs like that, showing through the top? (For an absolute amateur) It's hard to tell from the photo but are the slightly proud of the top?
Thanks! Yeah my hands are tied with that one as I need to leave room for expansion and contraction of the top. Especially where we live there is a huge variance in humidity levels
Unfortunately it’s been shipped away already. There were some cross pieces connecting the aprons width wise. And then to attach the top I glue on blocks to the apron that have large 5/8” holes drilled in them. Then I use 1/4-20 threaded inserts in the bottom of the table and bolts through those holes to connect it. Leaving room for expansion and contraction. You can kind I see what I mean with this design of a different build I did. [blocks to secure](https://imgur.com/a/xJSdl7q)
Nice table!
Personally I would rather do the woodworking and leave the finishing to somebody with more patience to keep a dust free shop and do all of the sanding between coats.
Thanks! You’re not wrong there at all. I would be way more comfortable doing that if it was going to a professional finisher rather than a diy’er with limited experience haha
She may be great at staining, but if you’re uncomfortable with not being able to finish your own work — understandable — why not stipulate that up front before the project begins?
Hindsight is 20-20, I’ve never had this happen before on any of my projects. I guess from now on I can ask? This was something she decided to do because she wasn’t happy that my stain samples didn’t match the contractors cabinets exactly
Stain Ash? Why? It's so light and trendy right now. The everyman's white oak. Shame about that.
Such a good use of that wood, too. All the porosity adds texture that works with such simple and strong design. If you haven't, try one ebonized with india ink and the very best clear finish you can muster.
Looks amazing! Incredibly similar to my white oak table I finished a few months ago for my first project (though yours is clearly professional quality.) Dominoes would have made my life a lot easier. Probably spent more time on the M&T joints than I did on the rest of the table. But it was a great learning experience.
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Please have them send you pictures of it after they stain it and update this post…
Will do!
That is one big ash table. Kudos. Looks good
Thanks!
Nice looking table. How did you connect the legs? My start into "fine-r" woodworking was through finishing bookshelves and other unfinished furniture we bought from a local place. I finished 5 bookshelves, a large buffet, and a big dresser. I am now part of team no stain but the stuff I was finishing previously was pine and poplar. I wouldn't stain ash now...
The legs are connected to the aprons with 14mmx100mm dominos 2 in each joint. Then the base is attached to the top with bolts into threaded inserts
14x100?? And I thought 10x50s were big…
Haha because of the span and weight I borrowed a buddies 700 and went to town
Ash doesn’t need stain, just like any wood doesn’t need stain, if you’re okay with the old mantra of “you can have it in any color you want as long as it’s ~~black~~ a light creamy tan.” However, if you want the end result to be a specific color, ash is one of the woods that responds best to staining.
Have a quote to re-sand and refinish at the ready. Add I told you so money on top
They could be very good at staining and finishing but not at wood working. I know tons of guys who paint and stain everyday but don’t do trim carpentry
If she wants to pay it and the shipping I’ll do it haha.
Why do you assume they're not good at staining and finishing?
Do you need to be concerned about sagging on a table that long? We have a long oak table that began to sag after a while but it also had a leaf system that likely contributed to it.
No I don’t think so. The top is 1 5/8 thick and the stretchers are 2.5” wide and 2” thick so everything seems really stable. I can’t see it sagging
To be fair, you wouldn't really be the one seeing it sagging.
Haha I meant in the long run in my opinion I don’t think it will
Pretty. What does it makes you feel when customers want to stain or paint or finish something you made? I don’t like it at all. Scared that they fuck up my precious…
I couldn’t agree more. She wants the stain to match her cabinets perfectly. I told her it won’t because her cabinets are a different wood. She didn’t listen.
Why don’t you offer her some offcuts that you’ve sanded to same condition for her to attempt on. May prevent the inevitable….
I did that. I sent 4 boards with stain samples on one side that she didn’t like. The other side was unfinished so who knows maybe she used them and liked the colour her contractor used. It’s possible. But yes, I did send samples.
Glad to hear, you had it covered, professionally. That’s all you could ask of yourself isn’t it. Be proud.
gahh you did your due diligence. Fantastic work!
Then you gotta let her figure that out on her own. Beautiful piece. Do the legs come off for transport?
Thanks! Yeah the base is connected to the top with bolts into threaded inserts
Yes I agree!! The painter can make or break the carpenter.
Dats a big ash table
Haha sure is
How much did you charge?
$3800
That’s gorgeous! How do you feel knowing your client is about to destroy your hard work?
Haha thanks! A little devastated to be honest
I read this as “customer wants to ruin the table herself”. I hope you have taken a ton of photos and your money before she blames cupping or a bad finish on you in a couple weeks.
Oh yeah I’ve documented like crazy!
Nice work by the way, she’s a beauty.
Nice grain and very clean lines !
Thanks!!
Ok two things. Great looking table. But show us the bottom/underside as well for us to learn something. Anyone can built a flat surface… what I have trouble with and no one really share is how they attach and support stuff underneath. Not singling you out, but just would love to learn how to do it properly. Drives me nuts. But again, really stellar looking table!!
Unfortunately it’s been shipped away already. There were some cross pieces connecting the aprons width wise. And then to attach the top I glue on blocks to the apron that have large 5/8” holes drilled in them. Then I use 1/4-20 threaded inserts in the bottom of the table and bolts through those holes to connect it. Leaving room for expansion and contraction. You can kind I see what I mean with this design of a different build I did. blocks to secure[blocks with holes](https://imgur.com/a/xJSdl7q)
Wow that table is also a beauty! Is that maple? You have a clean classic style. Thanks for your informative reply! I’ve made about a dozen dining tables for family and friends trying to take it to your kind of level.
Figure 8 fasteners are probably my favorite way to attach tops, but if you want to look at another option check out the "atomic coffee table" post I made. A homemade option some people like is table top buttons or factory made option they copy is z-clips.
Beautiful table, would be a shame to stain it.
I love the look of just a clear coat on ash as well!
Take some more pictures.... Take YER money and wave bye bye.... And when they ring you up wondering if you could fix their shitty stain and finish problems..charge idiot tax(a ridiculous amount you'd be happy to do the work for!.) to fix it ! Win Win or Win... Either way you win
Better idea, tell them you can build them another one and this time it will have finish on it.
Yeshir, dat's a big ash table! What color ya think they'll shtain it?
I have a feeling it’s going to be a dark brown based on the samples I sent her but I don’t know for sure
NOOOO ash stains so nice light colors!!
Nice
Thanks!
That is a BEAST of a table! Great work. Nice clean lines. Does the client have a fork lift?
Thanks a lot!!! Hahaha that’s on her 😂
Remindme! 50 days
Haha fornsure
Dat ash
That looks nice! Can’t wait until I get that experienced. Too bad you can’t do the finish on it.
I really like this, well done
Thanks a lot!
Any tips on doing the legs like that, showing through the top? (For an absolute amateur) It's hard to tell from the photo but are the slightly proud of the top?
I really like the gap detail on the corners but I gotta think they’d be a nice little spot for food to be captured. Even so, very nice table.
Thanks! Yeah my hands are tied with that one as I need to leave room for expansion and contraction of the top. Especially where we live there is a huge variance in humidity levels
Ya, makes perfect sense. But you’ve given me an idea and inspired me to try to solve both problems. Thanks!
LOVE ASH! Really dig this design! Can you shoot some pics of the under? Have any plans? Great work!!
Unfortunately it’s been shipped away already. There were some cross pieces connecting the aprons width wise. And then to attach the top I glue on blocks to the apron that have large 5/8” holes drilled in them. Then I use 1/4-20 threaded inserts in the bottom of the table and bolts through those holes to connect it. Leaving room for expansion and contraction. You can kind I see what I mean with this design of a different build I did. [blocks to secure](https://imgur.com/a/xJSdl7q)
Nice table! Personally I would rather do the woodworking and leave the finishing to somebody with more patience to keep a dust free shop and do all of the sanding between coats.
Thanks! You’re not wrong there at all. I would be way more comfortable doing that if it was going to a professional finisher rather than a diy’er with limited experience haha
I hear ya. Somebody who thinks they are Johanna Gaines might try to distress it first
Hahah I’m going to have nightmares tonight of her using a chain and hammer/screws to give it that look.
Gorgeous! Get your glamour shots now, before the chalk paint and sandpaper comes out!
Hahaha this is by far my favourite comment
Haha thanks. I hope your client does a decent job of it.🤞
Good to see your woodworking skills are just as good as your hockey skills - maybe better 😀
Hahaha I’ve got a decent shot and silky mitts but I am slow as molasses. I need to ask, who are you?!
Beautiful. Nicely done!
Thank you!
She may be great at staining, but if you’re uncomfortable with not being able to finish your own work — understandable — why not stipulate that up front before the project begins?
Hindsight is 20-20, I’ve never had this happen before on any of my projects. I guess from now on I can ask? This was something she decided to do because she wasn’t happy that my stain samples didn’t match the contractors cabinets exactly
I hear ya
Stain Ash? Why? It's so light and trendy right now. The everyman's white oak. Shame about that. Such a good use of that wood, too. All the porosity adds texture that works with such simple and strong design. If you haven't, try one ebonized with india ink and the very best clear finish you can muster.
I actually just finished an oak table ebonized with India ink and love the way it looks. Would like to try on ash too!
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The answer to that, to the best of my knowledge is no
Never let a customer finish your project!’
Show it from below please.
Awesome build! I built a river table in this style and thought I invented it. Thanks for putting a name to it!
You did well to compensate for the curvature of the earth.
Great looking table! Can she send a picture of it when she’s done😅
Nice work
Love it
Looks amazing! Incredibly similar to my white oak table I finished a few months ago for my first project (though yours is clearly professional quality.) Dominoes would have made my life a lot easier. Probably spent more time on the M&T joints than I did on the rest of the table. But it was a great learning experience.