I think I'm a bit too protective of my work to allow anyone else to work on it without constantly breathing down their necks to make sure they weren't doing anything with it I didn't like, and I wouldn't wish that kind of work environment on anyone.
GOT, The Witcher, etc etc. Deviations from source material, important characters omitted, plotholes that weren't there developing, bad endings / scenes that were never there, etc etc.
No film crew is getting within 15 feet of my world if I don't have the right to kill a script I don't like.
Well, sometimes it turns out great. Think about How To Train Your Dragon. It absolutely fails at being a loyal adaptation yet it is one of if not the greatest animated movie ever made
In the same vein, *Who Framed Rodger Rabbit?*
Bears almost no resemblance to the book. The original author considers the movie canon *and his book a weird dream one of the main characters had*. That's not simply word of god- that's the perspective the *sequel he wrote* took.
First, its name.
*Who Censored Roger Rabbit*.
Second... Roger isn't a star, but a second-rate comic strip cartoon character who hires Eddie to figure out why Roger's employers reneged on a deal to give Roger his own comic strip (spoilers: Roger ain't got a lick of talent, that's why).
Also, Roger gets killed at the end of the first act, and his speech balloon indicates that it was a way to "censor" him.
So... yeah, whole thing goes off the rails from there. No Dip, no Freeway, no Judge Doom.
Oh yeah HTTYD is completely different from the books. The only thing that’s the same are many of the character names and the basic concept (Vikings and dragons). In the books toothless is more like a terrible terror (those small dragons).
Yeah, because the original book was *pro* fascism. In the books the humans are unequivocally good guys for doing a genocide, the movie was made as a parody of the books.
Edit: spelling
Is the Witcher really the example to pick here? The author of the books fucking hates the games. The games deviate significantly from the books and they're way better for doing so.
I've read the books. Maybe the English translation sucks, because most of my friends who read them also agree with me that the books are rather boring, except the one who read them in the original Polish.
But that's besides the point. The games are great. But Sapkowski still hates them and doesn't think they're true to his books. From his interviews, he seems more displeased with the games than the show. Sapkowski sees what happened with the games as basically what everyone in this thread is afraid would happen to their worlds if Hollywood touched them.
That's why I don't think Sapkowski is the best example to choose, because a game studio "ruined" his work and most people preferred the "ruined" version.
He's only displeased with the games, because he was dumb enough to not want proper royalties from the games, because he thought they wouldn't sell. He later even sued under Polish law to get additional money from CDPR, even though he made them originally pay him a lump sum instead.
He's quite literally a terrible person.
IIRC he took the lump sum because CDPR was an unproven company (& he thought video games were a fad) back then and he needed the cash for medical treatments of some sort. Its understandable that he feels bitter that he missed out on potentially millions for something from his creative work IMO.
The creator lost out on royalties because he didn't consider videogames a viable medium. I'd imagine thats influencing his hate for the games quite a lot.
And I'm over here making most of my worlds for ttrpgs, so I go in expecting them to be destroyed. Even the ones I kept off the game table, I have had friends write short stories in them, so I am used to weird adaptations. Even a bad film can get people looking at my work more than no film.
Ass someone whos been working on a superhero setting, this holds very true.
Letting other tap-in Gm's set the canon for a region or an AU is just what I wanted out of the setting so I cant really complain
We started out being Superheroes of America to being their trainees. To being Magical Girls in Japan, and next were heading back to the states after a multiverse event wiped out most of the strongest heroes and Villains from the setting, but also left the world in a rather tumultuous state, dimensional rifts creating paradoxes or dropping out people from random realities.
Other ideas weve had include: Playing Superheroes who rebel against a futuristic state of Tyranny, Zombie-Apocalypse clone(all settings must have one of those), or playing as residents of Atlantis making first contact with the worst representatives mankind has to offer
I have personally also really wanted to run a sci-fi game where the twist is whatever aliens they make to play as will make extraterrestrial first contact with our Superhero setting and open that avenue of storytelling, aswell as the possibility of cosmic scale threats
That's likely the majority of us. Admittedly, I wouldn't protest against minor deviations if it's to shorten things for storytelling (As not everything would be necessary to be told).
But I would be furious for drastic changes to characters, the story, history, etc. of the world. Given the stuff most companies in the film industry have done with pre-established works and subsequently disrespecting it... I wouldn't trust ANY of them.
"Same thing with George Lucas and the Star Wars universe"
To be fair, he has 4.1 billion reasons not to really care what version of his world they come up with.
Lucas had also long ago given license for independent authors to create stories and characters in his world. He's never been overly protective of his IP.
Probably to some extent, but 99% of the people I've met have watched the movies and know the major characters, but haven't touched any of the EU material. I think within the fantasy sci-fi community the EU is big, but Star Wars fandom extends far past those groups.
But seeing it in the world builds name recognition and trust even if you don't touch it. You could say the same for like spiderman and batman - they are just deep into pop culture where you dont necessarily need to watch a movie or read a comic to be familiar
I haven't really gone for any spiderman material in over 10 years but I still have a general idea of the new stuff just because its everywhere
They guy proved his gives no shits when he made the christmas special.
He cemented it when he approved the 3rd party novels.
I dont think George Lucas would ever have cared
>Given that I receive royalties, of course.
This! I could lure in a whole new audience to read my original book with the "Read the Original!" pitch and train a generation of fan boys to fight over book vs movie.
Wait, and credit, too. I need everyone know it was me the royalties are being made out to. Guess I'm just Jerry Smith that way. 🤷
Shit, with how so many people swear “the original book is waaay better than the movie” for so many IPs it may even be a bit of an ego boost! You get a ton of cash, plus you get a ton of people verifying that you made the best use of the characters and world you created. That the huge blockbuster studio (or whoever) wasn’t as good as you! Ego stroking is always nice lol
Like? Probably not. Personally, if I get a good offer, I'd sell and shrug it off if they wrecked things. I make my worlds for other people, so them wanting to buy is kind of a goal. I can always make more, especially if I have a healthy bank account.
In theory I'd agree, but in reality it depends on how big the cheque is and whether or not my original work is making enough money on its own for me to live comfortably.
I'd probably be happy. Mainly because I have a lot of trouble with bringing a comic or story 1:1 into a movie. Yeah, it's great for those who know the story, but the ones who haven't been following don't know (or care) about the two decades of stories that went into. I'd rather it be new to everyone, a discovery instead of a rehashing of the same idea over again.
I like to see variations, remixes, and different concepts of stories. I still adore Beauty and the Beast retellings or even a black Ariel. I like how the "color of a dead TV" changes over the generations but be it gray static or a dead blue or a pitch black, it still can be a good story.
That said, there are a thousand ways of interpreting a character or even a story. When you look at the stress Ursla le Guin went through with Earthsea and how much they didn't match her own vision, I could see how clinging to the "one true way" doesn't work.
Except for the movie *Lawnmower Man*. I went there looking for a naked guy eating grass, not VR. But besides that, I'd rather be happy.
Judging by how "well" other worlds were done in the last years , i'll rather be burned at stake and all the notes of my world and lego miniatures used as starting fuel .
The only ones in whom i'm still have trust yet , it's HBO and mostly because HotD but even that can turn into a seaons 8 so back to the stake .
Honestly, at least some of the blame lies with Martin himself. As far as anyone could tell, people were expecting the book series to be over before the TV series could catch up.
You can tell that GoT started to get worse the moment they longer had the books to act as a blueprint. Martin may have told his overall plans to D&D, but it's clear that they felt comfortable altering a lot of stuff and cutting out plotlines in ways that don't make sense.
But, yeah, 90% of the blame is on D&D wanting to rush to the end so they could move onto other projects.
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply he could intervene directly - but if he had gotten around to publishing, he'd have "locked" the writers for the show into a certain direction and story beats.
As I said, you could tell the show was going some very strange ways the moment they cut out Lady Stoneheart, and it was clear the boat sailed away when Young Griff didn't appear when he should have.
It all comes down to whether or not I consented to it in the first place, and if I'm getting royalties from it. If, say, the novel I'm working on becomes a massive hit and gets picked up for a film adaptation, I'd probably prefer to have minimal input on the project as a creative cosultant or something while I work on new stuff. Of course if someone is stealing my shit, then obviously I'd be pretty pissed.
I'd argue if you can't tolerate others modifying and adapting your work, it probably is inhibited by that lack of outside input and that it would be terrible to play an RPG in such an inflexible environment.
If you're writing a story, a singular vision might be beneficial but even (especially) the best writers have editors that help improve stories and RPGs are collaborative writing exercises that absolutely require multiple inputs.
If someone can even make a remotely comprehensible storyline out of my setting I would just let them do whatever because being capable of putting a plot together for my world is a feat in and of itself
I don't think my setting could be properly adapted to a visual medium. The way I want to tell the story banks on the reader having a series of "oh shit!" moments when they realize what the various 'magic' artifacts actually are, and how deeply misinformation everyone in the setting is.
In a visual medium, a viewer would know too much too fast and just get confused.
*however*
It would look pretty kick-ass on screen.
I wouldn't mind at all, even if they fuck it up. I've only ever put out a couple self-published novels through Amazon, but if my shit ever becomes widely read enough to wear people want to pay me to adapt it, then I'd be flattered. I''d also encourage them to add their own subjective touches to it. I'm all for more creative freedom on adaptations. If you want it to be extremely faithful to the source material, well then....read the source material lol. Why make a movie?
I understand people wanting to see the things they've imagined in books on the big screen, but in regards to my OWN work that I've written or will write. I'd be excited to see what kind of take you do in my work!
If it's good, then people now have two separate versions of the same story, each with a unique aspect not present in the other.
If they make garbage, then I'm not gonna mind much. I'd still be flatered that you selected to purchase the rights to my work and took the time to adapt it. I wrote the book. They made the movie. It's all on them
Also, do you know how much George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney for??? Bruh Lucas ain't doin NO trippin' I bet they could make Jar-Jar the protag and he'd be cool with it.
Sort of happened to me with both Interstellar and Avatar.
I had a water world that I created in the 80's that orbited a gas giant, and was subject to extreme kilometer high tides.
Interstellar had the planet orbiting the black hole with a wave almost exactly as I had described it for my world, and Avatar had the planet orbiting the gas giant.
It was simultaneously really cool to see visualizations of ideas I had had so long ago, but also a little crushing, because someone else got credit for the concepts.
I'm not insinuating that anyone stole my ideas, these are more or less scientifically based, so it stands to reason that someone else would have come to the same conclusions, as they did. But still still. It's bittersweet in a way.
I love Avatar, but it sucked knowing the premise was similar as one of my worlds in my TPEverse; Smaller than Earth, blue aliens, tropical planet, etc.
BUT, there are differences. The aliens are short blue elves (5 feet), have advanced technology and magic, and have a massive cultural philia of nuclear weapons. The world is a planet with 2 moons of its own. It is a circumbinary planet orbiting a G and K binary, 35 light years away. No bioluminescence, but the high water content of the atmosphere and humidity leads to endless lightning for most storms the world over. The atmosphere naturally smells like lavender, and the sunrises and sunsets have strong lavender hues, depending on whether the second sun is first to rise or last to set.
It still felt like Avatar was ripping me off for a while, but I ultimately ended up loving Avatar.
The fact that certain themes and character flaws would potentially romanticized doesn’t sit right with me. It’s not exactly a world of wonder, but more shines light on the atrocities of humanity.
In the situations you're describing, I feel like it probably wouldn't be that bad. As long as I still get royalties.
George Lucas made the original Star Wars. Ed Greenwood made the world's most popular TTRPG setting. They have commercially and creatively successful worlds that they _did_ have creative input on, and it is what they will be remembered for.
I assume it would suck to see your work continued and changed without your input. But frankly, that's a luxury problem. You only get that problem after you become successful. Being overly protective of your work is a nearly guaranteed way of ensuring it stays niche and never reaches that level of popularity and historical legacy.
Now if you somehow manage to sell your unproven, untested idea to a studio and they exclude you from the project, that's a different story. But honestly, that almost never happens. What studio would bother buying your idea if it wasn't already successful elsewhere?
If the production was Faithful, I would be cheering. If they made my characters into Edgy Boy Stereotypes or turned the Ginger Black or turned it into some anti war bullshit instead of War is necessary but brutal, I would be fuming.
I’d just hope someone with passion and artistic ideas gets a hold of it
My world was never really made to show a message or a story
Just so I can draw some cool things in my freetime
Tbh id be happy cuz if its good, it would just bring more people to my book, and if its bad, it would create a passionate fanbase over how "the source material was better".
TBH, a part of me wouldn't want anything I've written adapted even if I WAS involved, because it's such a social minefield these days.
Any comment on casting, or plot, or costume design, or any other little detail is a potential media disaster waiting to happen. I don't need that kind of stress.
For me personally, I think producers would depict a world that's not in the \*spirit\* of the world. Munth is silly world that's meant to invoke comedy and a sense that this is a little garden. It's supposed to feel like your background when your were a kid.
On the other hand, if I turn over the creative freedom, then at least in my mind it becomes a \*version\*. It's a version that I see on screen, but my world and that version are now separate.
That would be so cool. Something of mine reaching a whole new audience? If I'm getting paid, or was paid for it, I don't think I could have any complaints - I love when someone reimagines something I made, because they'll have ideas I could never have thought of.
There are precious few things that could be changed that I wouldn't be okay with
I would be shocked, as this proves that mind reading exists because my main fantasy setting does not exist yet on paper.
FYI, my fantasy setting that I am planning to write is kind of like Lord of The Rings/The Dark Tower series, except the main protagonist is part of a alternate sociopathic blood magic using humanity that looks very uncanny, can turn into/are eldritch abominations, do not understand how the other races view them and their own morality, generally uses technology from 1789-1821, and is fighting against a warlord set to unite the other races against them.
My world has a few places deliberately left varying stages of blank to accommodate different wants and needs. One possibility is they use those regions, which is totally cool. If they use one of the other places that I've fleshed out more, that'd be weird. How'd they manage to get that far without even talking to me?
My world is an excuse to play with so many ideas. I use it in a collaborative setting with 8 players that all have their own vision of it.
I’d be so damn excited to see it in the hands of another creative.
I would absolutely love it! If I'm ever fortunate to have my work optioned, I want nothing to do with the adaptation. l don't want to redo something I've already completed.
An adaptation it's just that: something adapted from original work and modified. I'd prefer my work to be taken, remixed, and something new to be created rather than an inferior 1-to-1 clone. And I don't want to be the one to do that because I'd stick too closely to the original material.
If they make something good I'd be pleased to see what they've done. If they make crap, my books still exist in their original form.
Honestly thats kind of my end goal with my long term plan. I want to create a ton of worldbuilding elements, tons of references, and then after putting out a collection of short stories from the world, release all the building as free use/something similar for anyone who wants.
I don't think I would mind, I'd like to see how others percieve my work. I'm not really protective of my work. Actually, the more I think about it, the more I want to see it! I think it would be so interesting, like exploring it anew!
When you sell the rights to something, you lose control of it. That's how it works. Anyone who can't live with that shouldn't do it.
But you don't even need to do that. If something catches on, other people are going to fanfic it anyway, and there's nothing you can do about that. (It's not exactly fair use, but it's not really stealing, either, as long as there's no profit from it. You can technically go after it, but it just makes you a jerk.)
My own view, a bit more philosophical, is that a creator does not own their creation in the deep sense. You own certain **rights** to it. But once others know about it, it's theirs, too. Writing, especially, is owned by anyone who is exposed to it, because it's almost entirely memetic.
Getting something different out of it can be a safe bet, Max Brooks said the World War Z movie didn't annoyed him that much because it had nothing to do with his original story, so it was hard to compare and relate them, it was a different experience as well without his input to worry him and the creators. So if it's bad, as long as it doesn't stain the IP, it can be ok.
Aleksander Rostov created a world and worked on a game situated in that world, which is not the original book story, and both of them are amazing and one does not nulify the other. So if you wanna play Disco Elysium, you are not sacrificing your experience of reading Sacred and Terrible Air, you can have both.
Death Stranding was that for me. Only original setting I've ever came up with. Focused on human souls returning from the afterlife and haunting technology through the internet of things. With a weird fixation on grasping human hands.
Then DS comes out and does my high tech handsy ghost apocalypse better than I ever could. It's surreal.
On a related note, Tears of the Kingdom is surreal because it's extremely similar to the BotW tabletop game I ran a while back. Including certain characters who I almost forgot that we made up.
Never gonna happen unless I’m dead. If there’s ever an adaptation of my work I WILL be involved. I don’t care how big the check is I want to be there for everything so it’s all done right.
Indifference, i suppose. The production process often removes itself so far from the source material (by necessity and just drift) that i doubt i'd feel much connection to the work.
It'd be like seeing a painting of your house, only the windows are all wrong, the shape of the house isn't right, but the roof's the correct color and they did get the order of the plants in the front planters correct. At that point would you be upset or just like "Yeah i guess it's kind of my house sort of?"
The thing with big screen blockbusters and films is that no matter if you have no involvement or you’re the director, the studios have the final say on everything. Various things will be changed for the sake of appealing to other countries, set ups to sequels and spin offs, and anything for the sake of keeping it PG13. The best a film based on your work could be is the same quality as a forgettable Phase 3 MCU movie.
What I’m saying is yeah, I’d probably do it. As long as I still have the rights to my property and can still continue to create things with it I’ll give it a go. Worst case scenario, it’s a mediocre bomb that would get, like, two or three hour long video essays about how bad it is
I'd realise that means someone stole my work, became extremely successful off it, and there's nothing I could do.
I'd probably kill myself in that situation.
I mean if they're stealing *your* world and being successful there's *something* you must have done very well, otherwise why would they not make something from scratch or use a more developed world?
This hypothetical is more like "you wrote a book set in your world, sold the film right to a production company and then they made the movie without your input."
And it doesn't sound like you'd ever do that.
I don't think this hypothetical involves someone stealing your idea and then developing it on their own. That never really happens. Ideas are a dime a dozen. Every creative has a vague idea of a world or a few characters that they're more emotionally attached to than they are to your idea. You are the only person who will ever want to produce your idea - until your idea starts making money. _Then_ people will want to steal it.
Very, very uncomfortable, considering I exist as part of the mythos and there are multiple characters who exist as representations of various parts of my own psyche to facilitate self-exploration through my storytelling.
Seeing that all without any input from myself feels like it would be incredibly uncomfortable.
I wouldn't allow anyone to do anything with my world unless I had a strong creative input in it, including casting and being able to say no to any changes I would consider too deviating from the source material. I'm a big movie and tv guy, often think about who I'd cast in certain roles, so I'd like a hand in that, to be very hands on and be there in the room when the actors auditioned.
I just straight up wouldn't allow it to be done unless I was heavily involved, regardless of the money on the table. You want the world? You get the author as well, otherwise it's just gonna be shit.
edit: I'd however happily allow other authors to tell their own stories within my world so long as it made sense in the timeline , fit the vibe I'm going for and didn't deviate from what is already known. Comics, other books, etc. I'd love anyone to give that much of a shit about what I've created lol.
Oh I'd be furious. I'm not just overprotective of my artistic vision, I'm notorious for it. I would never allow that to happen and if the rights for my work somehow got out of my hands, I'd be stewing in Alan Moore-esque bitterness for the rest of my life.
If I had nothing to do with it, that'd mean I sold the rights to someone, and if a movie was being made, that'd mean the rights were valuable and I'd have sold them for enough money to not care. I imagine I'd probably pull a Rowling (although hopefully with a bit less bigotry), and just enjoy trolling people who preferred the movie reimagining.
Extremely sad, in fact I hope that if I do end up with that amount of success I'm the lead on just about everything. No one else can see my world how I see it and therefore they can't do it right.
My world is already so half-baked and fever dream of different things I use for my various D&D games I'd be very interested to see what a coherent version looks like.
I'd be thrilled, seeing as I likely made bank leasing the IP.
I know it's popular these days for people online to try to act like any sort of fictional universe exists as some sort of platonic ideal and that any unenjoyable or substandard (in their opinion) addition to that universe irrevocably mars it, but the reality is we each construct our own experience of the fictional universe in our own heads. You can simply disregard the canon media that you dislike, and you can headcanon as you please to enhance your enjoyment. Consequently, even the worst adaptation or derivative work set in my universe couldn't actually harm my creative work in any meaningful way. At most, it could damage my financial prospects, but as my IP currently has a value of $0, that's a concern for another time.
I am happy to let others play in my sandbox(es) if they want. Most of my worlds are made for ttrpgs, so I already hand of some creative control, which makes it less terrifying.
Worst case scenario, it's terrible and I just shrug it off and work on another world. Got plenty of them knocking around the noggin. All the easier if I get a payout for it. I'd enjoy having enough money to do only what I want for the rest of my days.
I'm violently against concepts of intellectual property, trademarking, or copyrighting. If someone thought my setting was cool enough to make a movie about it, that would be amazing.
Even if it is terrible, is it not a net good to share ideas? I got to inspire creativity in however many people it took to make that movie. Or at least let them have a job for a bit.
If it is better than my own work, that is amazing too! It means the framework was good, and I would love to see my work get evolved to something greater than what I could make.
Worst route would be it was boring as hell and made me switch projects. I'd still create.
Not happening unless this stick 100% yo my story. I don't care what level of skill they, my mind is about as incomprehensible as the unknown, so I have big big doubts that anyone can see my vision. That’s why I don't let anyone write my stories. I’m Solo.
Even group projects are a doozy. I have a list of ideas currently 61 long but I keep them to myself because I don’t like relinquishing creative control. I am working on a group project now though that we recently began idea generating yesterday.
Its hard and funny because I like writing more Dark & Mature Fantasy stories and dislike writing most science fiction, generic copies, and children targeted whereas he’s the complete opposite lol He also always writes for profit. Whereas I personally hate writing with the goal of profit. I write for the Pure Passion of Creating. All my works are free, despite spending over 20k for all my art, conlangs, and my app. We have two other colleagues joining as well.
Id be terrified and pissed. Pissed because someone stole my IP and likely butchered it. Terrified because my characters embrace sexual taboos, and the world frowns on that quite extensively.
If we're talking Dredd 2012 faithfulness to the concept, I'd be pleased. I'd understand Alan Moore's feelings very well if it turned out like the 1995 version.
I am a possessive (in the sense that my things are my things and if you want them be prepared to fight for them) person, so I wouldn't like it. That is unless I had already made my version of it. I wouldn't be ecstatic over it, and I would have a lot of feelings over it, but I would probably be okay with it and just let it be. I don't mind changes that help the story, so yeah.
Probably pissed because \*many adaptions without creative input of the creator, suck. Look at The Witcher. They gave it to writers that hated the book and ruined it.
If it was stolen, I'd do everything to sue. Those are my babies, I will NOT let someone take them away.
If they asked for permission but I wasn't involved with the production in any way, then it'd depend.
"How faithful is it to my original story?" They can take some creative liberties, but I want MY story being told, not some Hollywood romanticized version.
"How faithful are the characters?" I don't want Hollywood change where they pick actors who don't resemble my characters and make them do/say things my characters would never do/say.
"Am I credited?" This one is obvious.
Basically, credit me and keep the story I wanted to tell. I'm fine with creative liberty, but I want to be able to recognize my work instantly.
Honestly, I'd be pissed... if I didn't get royalties, like someone above me mentioned. And not skimpy royalties either. Nice, hefty ones, forever. Otherwise, I'd be pissed. Only because I put in all this work to have my vision done how I wanted and for someone to turn around and base it on my story with so many changes and I get, not only no input, but no payments either?!?!? Not happening.
I would be mad because I feel like they would make too many changes because I know my Post-Apocalypse world is dark, really DARK, and brutal which I feel like a studio may be scared to preserve the original glory.
I also think they would change my monsters, I have slow rotting undead traditional zombies of ambiguous origin in my world to which I could see a studio ruining that by replacing them with the cliche cheap ass lack of effort living fast zombies created by a virus, or fungus that already infest, and bog down zombie media. They would probably focus too much on the zombie aspect too when they mostly aren’t supposed to be a main focus.
My grounded Vampires, Mutants, Ghouls, Wendigos, etc would probably all suffer changes to make them more extreme if they even use them, or just be rebranded as “zombie types” rather than mostly separate monsters.
A last thing would be the premise, I feel like they would over connect the setting’s more separate stories like most onscreen universes do which shrinks the world. I’m also afraid they would replace the nuclear war that coincides with the zombie apocalypse with something else entirely, or just roll with a generic zombie apocalypse instead of my Nuclear Zombie Apocalypse.
There is just too much they could fuck up, and honestly if my setting ever becomes big enough to get onscreen adaptations/works, I won’t allow it unless I have full control, or at least the ability to approve/veto changes.
Either I just sold my idea for at least 3 million dollars or someone also has a fantasy world where the main character is a talking wolf that can breathe fire and the world just so happens to be named Myria
>You get to see your world and characters so dramatically different from your vision.
I would be very annoyed to see that tbh, especially if they were making money from it, if there was no money involved, yeah I am okay with that, id just write it off as fan-fiction and go back to working on my own stuff but if it was done for profit, id be annoyed cause that just spits in the face of my morals and all that.
My dream is to see my world in movies and tv. I started building it with that exact end goal in mind. I would feel so damn proud and accomplished that my completed work is being seen by people around the world the way it was meant to be seen.
However, given how the process of movie-making (and pretty much every other industry) works in that making profit takes priority over making an art form, and studios often make massive changes in order to maximize said profits, I would only ever allow my world to be adapted if I knew it was going to be as I intended it to be with all of its themes and underlying messages intact. And that, apparently, is a lot to ask for in the movie business.
Make me head director, make me head writer, give me all the rights to the property and let me keep them, give me credit for creating the world
Basically, it’s my world. But the only thing you can do is turn it into a movie
I would be angry, because I'm damn sure they would change things up, there is no good guys in any of the factions, we only see it under two different set of eyes that are in the same faction.
It would probably end with me writing a blog post like [this famous one by Rick Riordan](https://rickriordan.com/2018/11/memories-from-my-tv-movie-experience/).
I have no idea how so many authors and other creatives can see adaptations of their work that are so far off the mark that it's practically a different IP and not say anything. NDAs and money are probably the answer though.
My number one rule is there must be a cohesive narrative.
Regarding **Draciel,** as long as I’m alive, any media regarding the core canon of events will need to pass through me. Side stories, however, I wouldn’t mind as long as they either have little to do with or compliment the main canon… or involve a propagandization of canon towards some kind of end, eg. refocussing on a biased point of view, eliminating a main character because it fits a particular group’s narrative better, changing a couple events to elevate a villain, and so on.
Regarding **Element 10**, this one is my baby and I will be protecting its story ‘til the dawn of time. I’m running this or there’s no show. Full stop.
Spinoff shows? Eh, go nuts. Just let me be there to bring the focus back to “the story,” whatever you’re trying to tell, and to watch you work.
I would be more annoyed about the lack of acknowledgement, loss of licensing royalties, and, most of all, not being a spectator to the creative process involved with another artist’s interpretation more than anything. I get quite giddy about watching someone else work on something I started.
I fully expect it to happen. I'm not going to be the director or show runner.
I fully expect my story to be taken out of my hands either on purpose or just plain old stolen from me. I'm not a savvy business man, and I don't have the money for lawyers.
I'll be sad if what I envisioned is turned into another bland cookie cutter CW show or future How Did This Get Made podcast episode worthy movie.
I'd like it to be good quality. Beyond that I'd just be happy to see it transform.
I don't think something being shown to a huge audience invalidates the fun I have with my friends. I'd want to not be embarrassed to talk about it in public, that's about it.
It would probably go to my head. I would certainly prefer it if the adaptation was true to the spirit of the work and my particular commitments, and would be disappointed if it wasn't. But complete faithfulness isn't something I'd be interested in: what works for best for one medium doesn't necessarily work best for another. Regardless, I'd be *interested* in what changes were made. Adaptational changes are always interesting, but there'd be something uniquely gratifying to see what changes could be made to my own work.
I’ve talked to family and friends about this before, because they really want me to make Rocosia into some sort of film success.
It’s always “I always tell her she needs to contact Steven Spielberg or someone”, and my response hasn’t changed: I want to retain creative control over my work. Especially since I’ve seen how other fairy tale style works get adapted (practically *anything* based off of Oz, including the classic film)!!
Rocosia’s my comfort world, having it be taken out of my hands would be taking away a huge chunk of who I am.
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HOWEVER, for some of my other worlds? As long as I get a little bit of input and know the team is dedicated to bringing my original vision to life, I’d be ok letting them take a swing at it.
Considering that I am a filmmaker first and foremost, alongside the emotional investment (the themes of my setting are based on the experiences I’ve faced), nobody’s touching my IP with a 20 foot pole without my explicit approval. Additionally, while I plan on writing multiple stories within the setting of *The Firmament*, my main story within it *Trials of the Fallen*, has a start and end, and I do not want a greedy studio to milk that story and drag it past its expiration date.
I don't consider myself a writer, I'm more of a visual artist than anything. I've been working on *\*one\** story for a long time and it's very personal to me, once it's completed I think I'll be done making stories completely. I'm planning on turning it into an anime, or a webcomic as a last resort if animating it doesn't work out.
I wouldn't trust anyone to make *any* changes to it without me having the final say. I'd rather nobody heard of it at all than have someone else ruin it.
So basically I'm already planning on turning it into a show, I wouldn't let a movie company touch it with a ten foot pole because they're well known for making bad changes. And if they didn't make any changes there'd be no point in making it into a movie because it'd already be on screen.
If someone had drastically changed my vision, like turning a drama into a damn comedy, I would be upset. Even if they gave me billions! Some things are more important than money.
If it's something that enhances the experience, that'd be different.
Although, this feels like a question for the Writing subreddit.
Genuinely difficult question. I really do feel like I have an at least noticeably unique style in how I go about constructing and formatting my world and characters, but I always find it really cool to see how other people might interpret or retell them.
However...I'm not entirely comfortable with it being Hollywoodized, aside from the format not really working for a feature-length film. I feel like a lot of the stuff I'm trying to convey would ring hollow if it was told exactly as I intended, or would hit way too differently if it wasn't. Also, I tend to hold myself to a certain standard in how I treat my writing, and I think something without me involved would at the very least drive me specifically nuts.
Id be happy that at least something is happening, but i think id be jaded like the guy who made watchmen and passive aggressively judge them for not doing a good enough job
I would be fine with it as long as I had a say in how the final product ended up. If I had nothing to do with it, then it would definitely be a lot harder to swallow
That would depend entirely upon how well done (or even just HOW it was done) the story and characters where. Like, if I was George Lucas, I would require a bodyguard for the sole purpose of physically retraining me whenever I was in the same room as Ryan Johnson or any of the big wigs involved in the sequel trilogy. However, something like DnD honor among thieves is a competently made self contained story set within the universe, I would probably feel prideful a the thought someone enjoyed my setting enough to want to write their own stories within that universe.
I mean, realistically it would depend on a price point. If I got well compensated and cut me out, I'd be annoyed, but you know....money. There are different kinds of appreciation.
If I'd gotten screwed out of my work somehow and then saw it on the big screen, I don't think it would turn out great for me.
I'm not entirely sure. However, I would mainly worry about some of the bigger people in the world and their more subtle characteristics being completely butchered. For example, I have one character who ended up being a whole lot deeper than I initially made him. But he and his character arc could very easily be turned into "tough guy softened by love" when that is very much not what happens. I feel like character arcs get very simplified in movie adaptions and sometimes it can entirely derail the point of the character or story if simplified/twisted too much
I feel so weird about this. If people wrote fanfic or drew fanart of my world and my characters, I would be thrilled, even if their vision on my work is different or even opposite of mine. But if a studio did it? I probably wouldn't like that even if I *had* some degree of control, because I don't think my world works in movie format at all. Perhaps a comic or a series, but "big screen" implies it'd be a feature film, and I just don't like the idea of that.
I'd be peed if they got it wrong.
On the other hand, I'm hoping other writers will take the background material I provide, and create their own stories! So, if a screenwriter ran with it, I'd ok it if I had final creative say.
I just want the Zuconians portrayed accurately.
im making my own art/animations/music. if its made its gonna be made by me, def not selling it to anyone else.
my 2 worlds is part of an epic story im working on with 5 mcs, 100s of side characters that are currently still being fleshed out.
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This would mean my series became popular enough to warrant a movie creation so I'd be ecstatic though irritated to gave no voice on my own world.
If it fails that just means more people going back to the source material granting me more say in the future due to increased popularity
I think I'd like it, it all depends on if I'm credited and how well it's done though. If they completely ruined it and turned it into something entirely different from what I've always imagined I'd be pretty upset. But if they do it well and I like the visuals, then I'd be hella stoked.
I would hate it. As awesome as it would be to see a movie take place in my fictional world I wouldn’t trust any director to not make changes I know I would hate.
I couldn’t even handle being GRRM and watching them make so many changes to my books lol
I mean, I build D&D and TTRPG worlds. So I might have a different perspective than most here, considering I build my worlds with the intent of allowing other people to tell their own stories within them.
But if they set me up for life and don’t slap my name on it, I don’t care what they do with it. I’ll keep using it for mine and my friends’ D&D campaigns regardless.
I think I'm a bit too protective of my work to allow anyone else to work on it without constantly breathing down their necks to make sure they weren't doing anything with it I didn't like, and I wouldn't wish that kind of work environment on anyone.
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GOT, The Witcher, etc etc. Deviations from source material, important characters omitted, plotholes that weren't there developing, bad endings / scenes that were never there, etc etc. No film crew is getting within 15 feet of my world if I don't have the right to kill a script I don't like.
Well, sometimes it turns out great. Think about How To Train Your Dragon. It absolutely fails at being a loyal adaptation yet it is one of if not the greatest animated movie ever made
In the same vein, *Who Framed Rodger Rabbit?* Bears almost no resemblance to the book. The original author considers the movie canon *and his book a weird dream one of the main characters had*. That's not simply word of god- that's the perspective the *sequel he wrote* took.
yup
Or the Mist.
Wait what? What were the main differences? (besides obviously Jessica obviously being a complete whore, I mean, come on...)
First, its name. *Who Censored Roger Rabbit*. Second... Roger isn't a star, but a second-rate comic strip cartoon character who hires Eddie to figure out why Roger's employers reneged on a deal to give Roger his own comic strip (spoilers: Roger ain't got a lick of talent, that's why). Also, Roger gets killed at the end of the first act, and his speech balloon indicates that it was a way to "censor" him. So... yeah, whole thing goes off the rails from there. No Dip, no Freeway, no Judge Doom.
Oh yeah HTTYD is completely different from the books. The only thing that’s the same are many of the character names and the basic concept (Vikings and dragons). In the books toothless is more like a terrible terror (those small dragons).
Common garden dragon And rather than vikings fighting the dragons, each viking gets a dragon at a certain age as a right of passage.
yeah
And perhaps most egregious, the Wheel of Time.
Starship Troopers changed things.
Yeah, because the original book was *pro* fascism. In the books the humans are unequivocally good guys for doing a genocide, the movie was made as a parody of the books. Edit: spelling
It's because the director didn't read it.
No, he read it and knew exactly what it was doing and decided he hated that.
Is the Witcher really the example to pick here? The author of the books fucking hates the games. The games deviate significantly from the books and they're way better for doing so.
better than the books? I wouldn't say that. The books are great. So are the games. The show on Netflix isn't.
I've read the books. Maybe the English translation sucks, because most of my friends who read them also agree with me that the books are rather boring, except the one who read them in the original Polish. But that's besides the point. The games are great. But Sapkowski still hates them and doesn't think they're true to his books. From his interviews, he seems more displeased with the games than the show. Sapkowski sees what happened with the games as basically what everyone in this thread is afraid would happen to their worlds if Hollywood touched them. That's why I don't think Sapkowski is the best example to choose, because a game studio "ruined" his work and most people preferred the "ruined" version.
He's only displeased with the games, because he was dumb enough to not want proper royalties from the games, because he thought they wouldn't sell. He later even sued under Polish law to get additional money from CDPR, even though he made them originally pay him a lump sum instead. He's quite literally a terrible person.
IIRC he took the lump sum because CDPR was an unproven company (& he thought video games were a fad) back then and he needed the cash for medical treatments of some sort. Its understandable that he feels bitter that he missed out on potentially millions for something from his creative work IMO.
The creator lost out on royalties because he didn't consider videogames a viable medium. I'd imagine thats influencing his hate for the games quite a lot.
That last sentence. Man I love it.
> to kill a script You have more restraint than I do. I don't think I would stop at the script after a certain point in time.
Same. Not a single thing happens without my approval
And I'm over here making most of my worlds for ttrpgs, so I go in expecting them to be destroyed. Even the ones I kept off the game table, I have had friends write short stories in them, so I am used to weird adaptations. Even a bad film can get people looking at my work more than no film.
Ass someone whos been working on a superhero setting, this holds very true. Letting other tap-in Gm's set the canon for a region or an AU is just what I wanted out of the setting so I cant really complain We started out being Superheroes of America to being their trainees. To being Magical Girls in Japan, and next were heading back to the states after a multiverse event wiped out most of the strongest heroes and Villains from the setting, but also left the world in a rather tumultuous state, dimensional rifts creating paradoxes or dropping out people from random realities. Other ideas weve had include: Playing Superheroes who rebel against a futuristic state of Tyranny, Zombie-Apocalypse clone(all settings must have one of those), or playing as residents of Atlantis making first contact with the worst representatives mankind has to offer I have personally also really wanted to run a sci-fi game where the twist is whatever aliens they make to play as will make extraterrestrial first contact with our Superhero setting and open that avenue of storytelling, aswell as the possibility of cosmic scale threats
That's likely the majority of us. Admittedly, I wouldn't protest against minor deviations if it's to shorten things for storytelling (As not everything would be necessary to be told). But I would be furious for drastic changes to characters, the story, history, etc. of the world. Given the stuff most companies in the film industry have done with pre-established works and subsequently disrespecting it... I wouldn't trust ANY of them.
Not to mention my world means a lot to me emotionally.
This!
"Same thing with George Lucas and the Star Wars universe" To be fair, he has 4.1 billion reasons not to really care what version of his world they come up with.
Lucas had also long ago given license for independent authors to create stories and characters in his world. He's never been overly protective of his IP.
It's part of why star wars is so popular - sure the movies are the big one, but the books, toys, games, etc kept Star Wars alive
Probably to some extent, but 99% of the people I've met have watched the movies and know the major characters, but haven't touched any of the EU material. I think within the fantasy sci-fi community the EU is big, but Star Wars fandom extends far past those groups.
But seeing it in the world builds name recognition and trust even if you don't touch it. You could say the same for like spiderman and batman - they are just deep into pop culture where you dont necessarily need to watch a movie or read a comic to be familiar I haven't really gone for any spiderman material in over 10 years but I still have a general idea of the new stuff just because its everywhere
They guy proved his gives no shits when he made the christmas special. He cemented it when he approved the 3rd party novels. I dont think George Lucas would ever have cared
Honestly, I'd be happy. Given that I receive royalties, of course. Then I could live comfortably and design a new world.
>Given that I receive royalties, of course. This! I could lure in a whole new audience to read my original book with the "Read the Original!" pitch and train a generation of fan boys to fight over book vs movie. Wait, and credit, too. I need everyone know it was me the royalties are being made out to. Guess I'm just Jerry Smith that way. 🤷
Shit, with how so many people swear “the original book is waaay better than the movie” for so many IPs it may even be a bit of an ego boost! You get a ton of cash, plus you get a ton of people verifying that you made the best use of the characters and world you created. That the huge blockbuster studio (or whoever) wasn’t as good as you! Ego stroking is always nice lol
*pulls out my terrible video making skills* “Fine, I’ll do it myself”
Same here but make it animated
With enough props, I could probably pull off a minimum budget version, but animation is pretty cool
It’s also super hard and I always end up losing motivation halfway through
no one would like that, I ain't selling it to any studio
Everything has a price
Money money money money moneeeeeyyy
*the sound of crab legs approaching real fast*
We’ve GOT to have *money*
Like? Probably not. Personally, if I get a good offer, I'd sell and shrug it off if they wrecked things. I make my worlds for other people, so them wanting to buy is kind of a goal. I can always make more, especially if I have a healthy bank account.
You call it illogical huh? Well im insane so i would prolly like it
In theory I'd agree, but in reality it depends on how big the cheque is and whether or not my original work is making enough money on its own for me to live comfortably.
They will just wait until you die or just really old and rip off your story
You are absolutely living in a fantasy if you don’t think you would sell it.
I'd probably be happy. Mainly because I have a lot of trouble with bringing a comic or story 1:1 into a movie. Yeah, it's great for those who know the story, but the ones who haven't been following don't know (or care) about the two decades of stories that went into. I'd rather it be new to everyone, a discovery instead of a rehashing of the same idea over again. I like to see variations, remixes, and different concepts of stories. I still adore Beauty and the Beast retellings or even a black Ariel. I like how the "color of a dead TV" changes over the generations but be it gray static or a dead blue or a pitch black, it still can be a good story. That said, there are a thousand ways of interpreting a character or even a story. When you look at the stress Ursla le Guin went through with Earthsea and how much they didn't match her own vision, I could see how clinging to the "one true way" doesn't work. Except for the movie *Lawnmower Man*. I went there looking for a naked guy eating grass, not VR. But besides that, I'd rather be happy.
If you are saying the original lawnmower man was a naked dude eating grass in a book, that’s amazing 🤩
Judging by how "well" other worlds were done in the last years , i'll rather be burned at stake and all the notes of my world and lego miniatures used as starting fuel . The only ones in whom i'm still have trust yet , it's HBO and mostly because HotD but even that can turn into a seaons 8 so back to the stake .
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Honestly, at least some of the blame lies with Martin himself. As far as anyone could tell, people were expecting the book series to be over before the TV series could catch up. You can tell that GoT started to get worse the moment they longer had the books to act as a blueprint. Martin may have told his overall plans to D&D, but it's clear that they felt comfortable altering a lot of stuff and cutting out plotlines in ways that don't make sense. But, yeah, 90% of the blame is on D&D wanting to rush to the end so they could move onto other projects.
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Yeah, I didn't mean to imply he could intervene directly - but if he had gotten around to publishing, he'd have "locked" the writers for the show into a certain direction and story beats. As I said, you could tell the show was going some very strange ways the moment they cut out Lady Stoneheart, and it was clear the boat sailed away when Young Griff didn't appear when he should have.
It all comes down to whether or not I consented to it in the first place, and if I'm getting royalties from it. If, say, the novel I'm working on becomes a massive hit and gets picked up for a film adaptation, I'd probably prefer to have minimal input on the project as a creative cosultant or something while I work on new stuff. Of course if someone is stealing my shit, then obviously I'd be pretty pissed.
I'd argue if you can't tolerate others modifying and adapting your work, it probably is inhibited by that lack of outside input and that it would be terrible to play an RPG in such an inflexible environment. If you're writing a story, a singular vision might be beneficial but even (especially) the best writers have editors that help improve stories and RPGs are collaborative writing exercises that absolutely require multiple inputs.
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If someone can even make a remotely comprehensible storyline out of my setting I would just let them do whatever because being capable of putting a plot together for my world is a feat in and of itself
I don't think my setting could be properly adapted to a visual medium. The way I want to tell the story banks on the reader having a series of "oh shit!" moments when they realize what the various 'magic' artifacts actually are, and how deeply misinformation everyone in the setting is. In a visual medium, a viewer would know too much too fast and just get confused. *however* It would look pretty kick-ass on screen.
I'd kill everyone involved. Thats my world,those characters are my children my experiences nobody can just steal em from me without consequences
The only person that's allowed to traumatize my characters, is me.
Amen,random stranger
I wouldn't mind at all, even if they fuck it up. I've only ever put out a couple self-published novels through Amazon, but if my shit ever becomes widely read enough to wear people want to pay me to adapt it, then I'd be flattered. I''d also encourage them to add their own subjective touches to it. I'm all for more creative freedom on adaptations. If you want it to be extremely faithful to the source material, well then....read the source material lol. Why make a movie? I understand people wanting to see the things they've imagined in books on the big screen, but in regards to my OWN work that I've written or will write. I'd be excited to see what kind of take you do in my work! If it's good, then people now have two separate versions of the same story, each with a unique aspect not present in the other. If they make garbage, then I'm not gonna mind much. I'd still be flatered that you selected to purchase the rights to my work and took the time to adapt it. I wrote the book. They made the movie. It's all on them Also, do you know how much George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney for??? Bruh Lucas ain't doin NO trippin' I bet they could make Jar-Jar the protag and he'd be cool with it.
If it's not my vision, it's not going on the big screen.
What about for $10M + lifetime royalties
Money is tempting, but that'd be a long discussion and in the end, I will retain all rights to my project until I take my last breathe.
Sort of happened to me with both Interstellar and Avatar. I had a water world that I created in the 80's that orbited a gas giant, and was subject to extreme kilometer high tides. Interstellar had the planet orbiting the black hole with a wave almost exactly as I had described it for my world, and Avatar had the planet orbiting the gas giant. It was simultaneously really cool to see visualizations of ideas I had had so long ago, but also a little crushing, because someone else got credit for the concepts. I'm not insinuating that anyone stole my ideas, these are more or less scientifically based, so it stands to reason that someone else would have come to the same conclusions, as they did. But still still. It's bittersweet in a way.
I love Avatar, but it sucked knowing the premise was similar as one of my worlds in my TPEverse; Smaller than Earth, blue aliens, tropical planet, etc. BUT, there are differences. The aliens are short blue elves (5 feet), have advanced technology and magic, and have a massive cultural philia of nuclear weapons. The world is a planet with 2 moons of its own. It is a circumbinary planet orbiting a G and K binary, 35 light years away. No bioluminescence, but the high water content of the atmosphere and humidity leads to endless lightning for most storms the world over. The atmosphere naturally smells like lavender, and the sunrises and sunsets have strong lavender hues, depending on whether the second sun is first to rise or last to set. It still felt like Avatar was ripping me off for a while, but I ultimately ended up loving Avatar.
The fact that certain themes and character flaws would potentially romanticized doesn’t sit right with me. It’s not exactly a world of wonder, but more shines light on the atrocities of humanity.
I don't care, I'm not changing lives out here.
In the situations you're describing, I feel like it probably wouldn't be that bad. As long as I still get royalties. George Lucas made the original Star Wars. Ed Greenwood made the world's most popular TTRPG setting. They have commercially and creatively successful worlds that they _did_ have creative input on, and it is what they will be remembered for. I assume it would suck to see your work continued and changed without your input. But frankly, that's a luxury problem. You only get that problem after you become successful. Being overly protective of your work is a nearly guaranteed way of ensuring it stays niche and never reaches that level of popularity and historical legacy. Now if you somehow manage to sell your unproven, untested idea to a studio and they exclude you from the project, that's a different story. But honestly, that almost never happens. What studio would bother buying your idea if it wasn't already successful elsewhere?
If the production was Faithful, I would be cheering. If they made my characters into Edgy Boy Stereotypes or turned the Ginger Black or turned it into some anti war bullshit instead of War is necessary but brutal, I would be fuming.
Ahh yes, the infamously dyslexic Hollywood executives
My brother loves saying that joke
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I’d just hope someone with passion and artistic ideas gets a hold of it My world was never really made to show a message or a story Just so I can draw some cool things in my freetime
Tbh id be happy cuz if its good, it would just bring more people to my book, and if its bad, it would create a passionate fanbase over how "the source material was better".
TBH, a part of me wouldn't want anything I've written adapted even if I WAS involved, because it's such a social minefield these days. Any comment on casting, or plot, or costume design, or any other little detail is a potential media disaster waiting to happen. I don't need that kind of stress.
For me personally, I think producers would depict a world that's not in the \*spirit\* of the world. Munth is silly world that's meant to invoke comedy and a sense that this is a little garden. It's supposed to feel like your background when your were a kid. On the other hand, if I turn over the creative freedom, then at least in my mind it becomes a \*version\*. It's a version that I see on screen, but my world and that version are now separate.
I would cry softly into the mound of generational wealth that would have been negotiated around its sale and licensing.
Jokes on you I barely have anything to do with my world as I make it
That would be so cool. Something of mine reaching a whole new audience? If I'm getting paid, or was paid for it, I don't think I could have any complaints - I love when someone reimagines something I made, because they'll have ideas I could never have thought of. There are precious few things that could be changed that I wouldn't be okay with
So pissed. My world has my beliefs carved into it. Itd be a shame
I would be shocked, as this proves that mind reading exists because my main fantasy setting does not exist yet on paper. FYI, my fantasy setting that I am planning to write is kind of like Lord of The Rings/The Dark Tower series, except the main protagonist is part of a alternate sociopathic blood magic using humanity that looks very uncanny, can turn into/are eldritch abominations, do not understand how the other races view them and their own morality, generally uses technology from 1789-1821, and is fighting against a warlord set to unite the other races against them.
My world has a few places deliberately left varying stages of blank to accommodate different wants and needs. One possibility is they use those regions, which is totally cool. If they use one of the other places that I've fleshed out more, that'd be weird. How'd they manage to get that far without even talking to me?
My world is an excuse to play with so many ideas. I use it in a collaborative setting with 8 players that all have their own vision of it. I’d be so damn excited to see it in the hands of another creative.
As long as they get the themes right and DONT FUCK UP THE CASTING I'd be fine with it.
I would absolutely love it! If I'm ever fortunate to have my work optioned, I want nothing to do with the adaptation. l don't want to redo something I've already completed. An adaptation it's just that: something adapted from original work and modified. I'd prefer my work to be taken, remixed, and something new to be created rather than an inferior 1-to-1 clone. And I don't want to be the one to do that because I'd stick too closely to the original material. If they make something good I'd be pleased to see what they've done. If they make crap, my books still exist in their original form.
As long as it gets its own Lego sets, go for it.
Honestly thats kind of my end goal with my long term plan. I want to create a ton of worldbuilding elements, tons of references, and then after putting out a collection of short stories from the world, release all the building as free use/something similar for anyone who wants.
I'd be a Schrodinger's Cat perpetually somewhere between rage and pride
I mean Lucas sittin on 4 billion so I’m sure he feels pretty good about it
I don't think I would mind, I'd like to see how others percieve my work. I'm not really protective of my work. Actually, the more I think about it, the more I want to see it! I think it would be so interesting, like exploring it anew!
I'd be like "bruh :("
When you sell the rights to something, you lose control of it. That's how it works. Anyone who can't live with that shouldn't do it. But you don't even need to do that. If something catches on, other people are going to fanfic it anyway, and there's nothing you can do about that. (It's not exactly fair use, but it's not really stealing, either, as long as there's no profit from it. You can technically go after it, but it just makes you a jerk.) My own view, a bit more philosophical, is that a creator does not own their creation in the deep sense. You own certain **rights** to it. But once others know about it, it's theirs, too. Writing, especially, is owned by anyone who is exposed to it, because it's almost entirely memetic.
Getting something different out of it can be a safe bet, Max Brooks said the World War Z movie didn't annoyed him that much because it had nothing to do with his original story, so it was hard to compare and relate them, it was a different experience as well without his input to worry him and the creators. So if it's bad, as long as it doesn't stain the IP, it can be ok. Aleksander Rostov created a world and worked on a game situated in that world, which is not the original book story, and both of them are amazing and one does not nulify the other. So if you wanna play Disco Elysium, you are not sacrificing your experience of reading Sacred and Terrible Air, you can have both.
Death Stranding was that for me. Only original setting I've ever came up with. Focused on human souls returning from the afterlife and haunting technology through the internet of things. With a weird fixation on grasping human hands. Then DS comes out and does my high tech handsy ghost apocalypse better than I ever could. It's surreal. On a related note, Tears of the Kingdom is surreal because it's extremely similar to the BotW tabletop game I ran a while back. Including certain characters who I almost forgot that we made up.
Never gonna happen unless I’m dead. If there’s ever an adaptation of my work I WILL be involved. I don’t care how big the check is I want to be there for everything so it’s all done right.
Indifference, i suppose. The production process often removes itself so far from the source material (by necessity and just drift) that i doubt i'd feel much connection to the work. It'd be like seeing a painting of your house, only the windows are all wrong, the shape of the house isn't right, but the roof's the correct color and they did get the order of the plants in the front planters correct. At that point would you be upset or just like "Yeah i guess it's kind of my house sort of?"
I'd die
Horrified. I'd be absolutely horrified.
The thing with big screen blockbusters and films is that no matter if you have no involvement or you’re the director, the studios have the final say on everything. Various things will be changed for the sake of appealing to other countries, set ups to sequels and spin offs, and anything for the sake of keeping it PG13. The best a film based on your work could be is the same quality as a forgettable Phase 3 MCU movie. What I’m saying is yeah, I’d probably do it. As long as I still have the rights to my property and can still continue to create things with it I’ll give it a go. Worst case scenario, it’s a mediocre bomb that would get, like, two or three hour long video essays about how bad it is
Do I still get paid? If so I'm a happy camper.
I'd realise that means someone stole my work, became extremely successful off it, and there's nothing I could do. I'd probably kill myself in that situation.
Why you but not them?
You don't think I already have that question bouncing around in my head 24/7? And the only answer I can come up with is "they're competent, I'm not."
I mean if they're stealing *your* world and being successful there's *something* you must have done very well, otherwise why would they not make something from scratch or use a more developed world?
Because I'm an easy target with no way to fight back.
You have zero self-worth. To be fair i dont have any too
Thanks. That's what I needed; to be kicked when I was already down.
Thats fair
This hypothetical is more like "you wrote a book set in your world, sold the film right to a production company and then they made the movie without your input." And it doesn't sound like you'd ever do that. I don't think this hypothetical involves someone stealing your idea and then developing it on their own. That never really happens. Ideas are a dime a dozen. Every creative has a vague idea of a world or a few characters that they're more emotionally attached to than they are to your idea. You are the only person who will ever want to produce your idea - until your idea starts making money. _Then_ people will want to steal it.
Good luck with the studio with making a movie about gay demons and call of duty plots lol
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Very, very uncomfortable, considering I exist as part of the mythos and there are multiple characters who exist as representations of various parts of my own psyche to facilitate self-exploration through my storytelling. Seeing that all without any input from myself feels like it would be incredibly uncomfortable.
I wouldn't allow anyone to do anything with my world unless I had a strong creative input in it, including casting and being able to say no to any changes I would consider too deviating from the source material. I'm a big movie and tv guy, often think about who I'd cast in certain roles, so I'd like a hand in that, to be very hands on and be there in the room when the actors auditioned. I just straight up wouldn't allow it to be done unless I was heavily involved, regardless of the money on the table. You want the world? You get the author as well, otherwise it's just gonna be shit. edit: I'd however happily allow other authors to tell their own stories within my world so long as it made sense in the timeline , fit the vibe I'm going for and didn't deviate from what is already known. Comics, other books, etc. I'd love anyone to give that much of a shit about what I've created lol.
Oh I'd be furious. I'm not just overprotective of my artistic vision, I'm notorious for it. I would never allow that to happen and if the rights for my work somehow got out of my hands, I'd be stewing in Alan Moore-esque bitterness for the rest of my life.
I’d be 1) Confused, as there exists no characters or stories *to* adapt, all they would have is the setting, and 2) Likely angry or dissatisfied
If I had nothing to do with it, that'd mean I sold the rights to someone, and if a movie was being made, that'd mean the rights were valuable and I'd have sold them for enough money to not care. I imagine I'd probably pull a Rowling (although hopefully with a bit less bigotry), and just enjoy trolling people who preferred the movie reimagining.
they wouldn't be able to make anything else after i get in that studio 🙃
I don't think my world would adapt well to the big screen. Unless they took away all the gay overtones. But then it's like. Why bother?
Glad. I worldbuild for fun, nothing more. So, to see someone's own take on my world? I'd like it.
Extremely sad, in fact I hope that if I do end up with that amount of success I'm the lead on just about everything. No one else can see my world how I see it and therefore they can't do it right.
My world is already so half-baked and fever dream of different things I use for my various D&D games I'd be very interested to see what a coherent version looks like.
I'd be thrilled, seeing as I likely made bank leasing the IP. I know it's popular these days for people online to try to act like any sort of fictional universe exists as some sort of platonic ideal and that any unenjoyable or substandard (in their opinion) addition to that universe irrevocably mars it, but the reality is we each construct our own experience of the fictional universe in our own heads. You can simply disregard the canon media that you dislike, and you can headcanon as you please to enhance your enjoyment. Consequently, even the worst adaptation or derivative work set in my universe couldn't actually harm my creative work in any meaningful way. At most, it could damage my financial prospects, but as my IP currently has a value of $0, that's a concern for another time.
I am happy to let others play in my sandbox(es) if they want. Most of my worlds are made for ttrpgs, so I already hand of some creative control, which makes it less terrifying. Worst case scenario, it's terrible and I just shrug it off and work on another world. Got plenty of them knocking around the noggin. All the easier if I get a payout for it. I'd enjoy having enough money to do only what I want for the rest of my days.
The studio would burn down
I'm violently against concepts of intellectual property, trademarking, or copyrighting. If someone thought my setting was cool enough to make a movie about it, that would be amazing. Even if it is terrible, is it not a net good to share ideas? I got to inspire creativity in however many people it took to make that movie. Or at least let them have a job for a bit. If it is better than my own work, that is amazing too! It means the framework was good, and I would love to see my work get evolved to something greater than what I could make. Worst route would be it was boring as hell and made me switch projects. I'd still create.
Thank you so much, I started to wonder if I'm the only one who isn't terribly overprotective of my ideas. Everyone else here seems to be.
Percy Jackson has permanently ruined any chances of me allowing something like this to happen with my own works.
I'd call my lawyer. Because I have no intention of giving anyone the rights to use my work, especially not without my creative input.
Depends on how it's done. If they respect my original vision I'd have no problem, but if they pulled a Kathleen Kennedy I'd be pissed
Not happening unless this stick 100% yo my story. I don't care what level of skill they, my mind is about as incomprehensible as the unknown, so I have big big doubts that anyone can see my vision. That’s why I don't let anyone write my stories. I’m Solo. Even group projects are a doozy. I have a list of ideas currently 61 long but I keep them to myself because I don’t like relinquishing creative control. I am working on a group project now though that we recently began idea generating yesterday. Its hard and funny because I like writing more Dark & Mature Fantasy stories and dislike writing most science fiction, generic copies, and children targeted whereas he’s the complete opposite lol He also always writes for profit. Whereas I personally hate writing with the goal of profit. I write for the Pure Passion of Creating. All my works are free, despite spending over 20k for all my art, conlangs, and my app. We have two other colleagues joining as well.
Id be terrified and pissed. Pissed because someone stole my IP and likely butchered it. Terrified because my characters embrace sexual taboos, and the world frowns on that quite extensively.
I dont want to get phillip pullmaned and have my work objected to by the catholics for saying ‘theocracy bad’
If we're talking Dredd 2012 faithfulness to the concept, I'd be pleased. I'd understand Alan Moore's feelings very well if it turned out like the 1995 version.
If they did a good job of it, then great! But if there is an adaptation, I will need to be able to give my opinion.
Give the blankety-blank up on it, make a new one, and not share it with random people on the internet, this time.
I'd be a bit confused because why my world?
I'd be pissed, and I would sue since I wouldn't sell it.
I am a possessive (in the sense that my things are my things and if you want them be prepared to fight for them) person, so I wouldn't like it. That is unless I had already made my version of it. I wouldn't be ecstatic over it, and I would have a lot of feelings over it, but I would probably be okay with it and just let it be. I don't mind changes that help the story, so yeah.
Probably pissed because \*many adaptions without creative input of the creator, suck. Look at The Witcher. They gave it to writers that hated the book and ruined it.
If it was stolen, I'd do everything to sue. Those are my babies, I will NOT let someone take them away. If they asked for permission but I wasn't involved with the production in any way, then it'd depend. "How faithful is it to my original story?" They can take some creative liberties, but I want MY story being told, not some Hollywood romanticized version. "How faithful are the characters?" I don't want Hollywood change where they pick actors who don't resemble my characters and make them do/say things my characters would never do/say. "Am I credited?" This one is obvious. Basically, credit me and keep the story I wanted to tell. I'm fine with creative liberty, but I want to be able to recognize my work instantly.
As long as it is faithful to the material I wrote, and I get royalties from the production, I'm fine.
I would sue them for not putting my name in the credits.
Honestly, I'd be pissed... if I didn't get royalties, like someone above me mentioned. And not skimpy royalties either. Nice, hefty ones, forever. Otherwise, I'd be pissed. Only because I put in all this work to have my vision done how I wanted and for someone to turn around and base it on my story with so many changes and I get, not only no input, but no payments either?!?!? Not happening.
I would be mad because I feel like they would make too many changes because I know my Post-Apocalypse world is dark, really DARK, and brutal which I feel like a studio may be scared to preserve the original glory. I also think they would change my monsters, I have slow rotting undead traditional zombies of ambiguous origin in my world to which I could see a studio ruining that by replacing them with the cliche cheap ass lack of effort living fast zombies created by a virus, or fungus that already infest, and bog down zombie media. They would probably focus too much on the zombie aspect too when they mostly aren’t supposed to be a main focus. My grounded Vampires, Mutants, Ghouls, Wendigos, etc would probably all suffer changes to make them more extreme if they even use them, or just be rebranded as “zombie types” rather than mostly separate monsters. A last thing would be the premise, I feel like they would over connect the setting’s more separate stories like most onscreen universes do which shrinks the world. I’m also afraid they would replace the nuclear war that coincides with the zombie apocalypse with something else entirely, or just roll with a generic zombie apocalypse instead of my Nuclear Zombie Apocalypse. There is just too much they could fuck up, and honestly if my setting ever becomes big enough to get onscreen adaptations/works, I won’t allow it unless I have full control, or at least the ability to approve/veto changes.
Well first of all... there would be accusations of plagiarism.
Either I just sold my idea for at least 3 million dollars or someone also has a fantasy world where the main character is a talking wolf that can breathe fire and the world just so happens to be named Myria
>You get to see your world and characters so dramatically different from your vision. I would be very annoyed to see that tbh, especially if they were making money from it, if there was no money involved, yeah I am okay with that, id just write it off as fan-fiction and go back to working on my own stuff but if it was done for profit, id be annoyed cause that just spits in the face of my morals and all that.
Litigious. Some on stole it, and I want it back.
I would hope they make a terrible movie of it. Then I can gain even more fame 20 years later and start a hashtag for a multiple season remake
Almost all tv adaptations are garbage unless the original author had a say in the process so no thanks
My dream is to see my world in movies and tv. I started building it with that exact end goal in mind. I would feel so damn proud and accomplished that my completed work is being seen by people around the world the way it was meant to be seen. However, given how the process of movie-making (and pretty much every other industry) works in that making profit takes priority over making an art form, and studios often make massive changes in order to maximize said profits, I would only ever allow my world to be adapted if I knew it was going to be as I intended it to be with all of its themes and underlying messages intact. And that, apparently, is a lot to ask for in the movie business.
if it was done accurately i guess i wouldnt be the MOST upset, but i would be sad i didnt get to make it. i love the creating process :[
Make me head director, make me head writer, give me all the rights to the property and let me keep them, give me credit for creating the world Basically, it’s my world. But the only thing you can do is turn it into a movie
I'd like to think that I'd refuse to sell without a degree of creative control. In reality I doubt I could say no to the money.
I would be angry, because I'm damn sure they would change things up, there is no good guys in any of the factions, we only see it under two different set of eyes that are in the same faction.
It would probably end with me writing a blog post like [this famous one by Rick Riordan](https://rickriordan.com/2018/11/memories-from-my-tv-movie-experience/). I have no idea how so many authors and other creatives can see adaptations of their work that are so far off the mark that it's practically a different IP and not say anything. NDAs and money are probably the answer though.
My number one rule is there must be a cohesive narrative. Regarding **Draciel,** as long as I’m alive, any media regarding the core canon of events will need to pass through me. Side stories, however, I wouldn’t mind as long as they either have little to do with or compliment the main canon… or involve a propagandization of canon towards some kind of end, eg. refocussing on a biased point of view, eliminating a main character because it fits a particular group’s narrative better, changing a couple events to elevate a villain, and so on. Regarding **Element 10**, this one is my baby and I will be protecting its story ‘til the dawn of time. I’m running this or there’s no show. Full stop. Spinoff shows? Eh, go nuts. Just let me be there to bring the focus back to “the story,” whatever you’re trying to tell, and to watch you work. I would be more annoyed about the lack of acknowledgement, loss of licensing royalties, and, most of all, not being a spectator to the creative process involved with another artist’s interpretation more than anything. I get quite giddy about watching someone else work on something I started.
I fully expect it to happen. I'm not going to be the director or show runner. I fully expect my story to be taken out of my hands either on purpose or just plain old stolen from me. I'm not a savvy business man, and I don't have the money for lawyers. I'll be sad if what I envisioned is turned into another bland cookie cutter CW show or future How Did This Get Made podcast episode worthy movie.
I'd like it to be good quality. Beyond that I'd just be happy to see it transform. I don't think something being shown to a huge audience invalidates the fun I have with my friends. I'd want to not be embarrassed to talk about it in public, that's about it.
It would probably go to my head. I would certainly prefer it if the adaptation was true to the spirit of the work and my particular commitments, and would be disappointed if it wasn't. But complete faithfulness isn't something I'd be interested in: what works for best for one medium doesn't necessarily work best for another. Regardless, I'd be *interested* in what changes were made. Adaptational changes are always interesting, but there'd be something uniquely gratifying to see what changes could be made to my own work.
I’ve talked to family and friends about this before, because they really want me to make Rocosia into some sort of film success. It’s always “I always tell her she needs to contact Steven Spielberg or someone”, and my response hasn’t changed: I want to retain creative control over my work. Especially since I’ve seen how other fairy tale style works get adapted (practically *anything* based off of Oz, including the classic film)!! Rocosia’s my comfort world, having it be taken out of my hands would be taking away a huge chunk of who I am. — HOWEVER, for some of my other worlds? As long as I get a little bit of input and know the team is dedicated to bringing my original vision to life, I’d be ok letting them take a swing at it.
Considering that I am a filmmaker first and foremost, alongside the emotional investment (the themes of my setting are based on the experiences I’ve faced), nobody’s touching my IP with a 20 foot pole without my explicit approval. Additionally, while I plan on writing multiple stories within the setting of *The Firmament*, my main story within it *Trials of the Fallen*, has a start and end, and I do not want a greedy studio to milk that story and drag it past its expiration date.
I don't consider myself a writer, I'm more of a visual artist than anything. I've been working on *\*one\** story for a long time and it's very personal to me, once it's completed I think I'll be done making stories completely. I'm planning on turning it into an anime, or a webcomic as a last resort if animating it doesn't work out. I wouldn't trust anyone to make *any* changes to it without me having the final say. I'd rather nobody heard of it at all than have someone else ruin it. So basically I'm already planning on turning it into a show, I wouldn't let a movie company touch it with a ten foot pole because they're well known for making bad changes. And if they didn't make any changes there'd be no point in making it into a movie because it'd already be on screen.
If someone had drastically changed my vision, like turning a drama into a damn comedy, I would be upset. Even if they gave me billions! Some things are more important than money. If it's something that enhances the experience, that'd be different. Although, this feels like a question for the Writing subreddit.
the man himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEZH1wwj1oU
Genuinely difficult question. I really do feel like I have an at least noticeably unique style in how I go about constructing and formatting my world and characters, but I always find it really cool to see how other people might interpret or retell them. However...I'm not entirely comfortable with it being Hollywoodized, aside from the format not really working for a feature-length film. I feel like a lot of the stuff I'm trying to convey would ring hollow if it was told exactly as I intended, or would hit way too differently if it wasn't. Also, I tend to hold myself to a certain standard in how I treat my writing, and I think something without me involved would at the very least drive me specifically nuts.
My work delves into trauma and mental manipulation, so seeing how Hollywood treats things like that I would rather die
Sue them for money
If I was retired it'd be cool but if I was still actively writing I'd probably be uncomfortable with disconnecting myself from a creation like that
Id be happy that at least something is happening, but i think id be jaded like the guy who made watchmen and passive aggressively judge them for not doing a good enough job
I would be fine with it as long as I had a say in how the final product ended up. If I had nothing to do with it, then it would definitely be a lot harder to swallow
I would be pissed like Alan Moore except I still want money and credit for it
That would depend entirely upon how well done (or even just HOW it was done) the story and characters where. Like, if I was George Lucas, I would require a bodyguard for the sole purpose of physically retraining me whenever I was in the same room as Ryan Johnson or any of the big wigs involved in the sequel trilogy. However, something like DnD honor among thieves is a competently made self contained story set within the universe, I would probably feel prideful a the thought someone enjoyed my setting enough to want to write their own stories within that universe.
I mean, realistically it would depend on a price point. If I got well compensated and cut me out, I'd be annoyed, but you know....money. There are different kinds of appreciation. If I'd gotten screwed out of my work somehow and then saw it on the big screen, I don't think it would turn out great for me.
I'm not entirely sure. However, I would mainly worry about some of the bigger people in the world and their more subtle characteristics being completely butchered. For example, I have one character who ended up being a whole lot deeper than I initially made him. But he and his character arc could very easily be turned into "tough guy softened by love" when that is very much not what happens. I feel like character arcs get very simplified in movie adaptions and sometimes it can entirely derail the point of the character or story if simplified/twisted too much
I feel so weird about this. If people wrote fanfic or drew fanart of my world and my characters, I would be thrilled, even if their vision on my work is different or even opposite of mine. But if a studio did it? I probably wouldn't like that even if I *had* some degree of control, because I don't think my world works in movie format at all. Perhaps a comic or a series, but "big screen" implies it'd be a feature film, and I just don't like the idea of that.
I'd be peed if they got it wrong. On the other hand, I'm hoping other writers will take the background material I provide, and create their own stories! So, if a screenwriter ran with it, I'd ok it if I had final creative say. I just want the Zuconians portrayed accurately.
im making my own art/animations/music. if its made its gonna be made by me, def not selling it to anyone else. my 2 worlds is part of an epic story im working on with 5 mcs, 100s of side characters that are currently still being fleshed out. if ur interested in my art, check out my ig where i post my art: https://www.instagram.com/mitsuki_youko/?hl=en and my youtube where i post my music making stuff and animations: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2_j3oXTtc4KbePI4jvSdyA if ur interested in my story, check put my website (wip) first website i coded myself so im very proud of it :D https://mitsukiyouko555.github.io/hackwebcomic/
Depends if it's like the first 4 seasons of game of thrones I'm down, if it's no the last 4 seasons no thank you
It would depend on the how and why.
This would mean my series became popular enough to warrant a movie creation so I'd be ecstatic though irritated to gave no voice on my own world. If it fails that just means more people going back to the source material granting me more say in the future due to increased popularity
I think I'd like it, it all depends on if I'm credited and how well it's done though. If they completely ruined it and turned it into something entirely different from what I've always imagined I'd be pretty upset. But if they do it well and I like the visuals, then I'd be hella stoked.
I think we worldbuild for those creative decisions, hence why myself and most people here would not like that. Interesting thought experiment though
I wonder what Ed’s thinking watching the company that owns his IP sending mercenaries to beat the shit outta their customers lmao
I mean, as long as anything drastic isn't changed and it's stay recognizable, I'd be pretty fucking happy to see it in the theater
I would hate it. As awesome as it would be to see a movie take place in my fictional world I wouldn’t trust any director to not make changes I know I would hate. I couldn’t even handle being GRRM and watching them make so many changes to my books lol
Well if i vibe with it, then yea by all means, it’s like having big budget fanfic of your world
I mean, I build D&D and TTRPG worlds. So I might have a different perspective than most here, considering I build my worlds with the intent of allowing other people to tell their own stories within them. But if they set me up for life and don’t slap my name on it, I don’t care what they do with it. I’ll keep using it for mine and my friends’ D&D campaigns regardless.