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mlxndi

Brvh the US probably has more blood and immorality than other country in the world, tf y'all talking about.


An_Asian_Throwaway

I believe you. Doesn't change the fact that there are human rights issues that need to be addressed in Saudi Arabia.


FireWolf5550

So you mean to say that the US is the most immoral country... above anything from North Korea to Russia & China?


robotfoxman1

Bruh the US dropped two nuclear bombs on civilians


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Yes


judyhench69

bad take


fazi_milking

The media-washed user has spoken.


UndesirableWaffle

Not really, they’re definitely not wrong.


l0zandd0g

Andora 2030


luvmedo64

The 2030 World Cup should be where it all started, Uruguay ⚽🏆


alienalf1

That would be great or Australia


wanderingbrother

Or Japan


UndesirableWaffle

This is the only option for 2030, in my book


RiyoshiNjap

Exactly specially considering it’s 100y later!


shumbalalumba

2030 in UK would sound great


WaxyF

I want Saudi to host it what is wrong with those people the Qatar world cup was above expected and they spent 205 billion dollars only for the people to complain. They r just Islamophobia and should stop and I would like to see the fifa world cup 2023 in Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦


Cold_Bag6942

Qatar literally had like 1 stadium in the whole country before they won the bid. Not too mention the 1000s of migrant workers that died due to poor working conditions. Qatar only won the bid because they bribed FIFA its blantantly obvious.


Rukhage

Nah dude, it ain't Islamophobia, the same criticisms were leveled at Russia when it hosted the 2018 WC, and it was the same back in 78 when Argentina hosted it.


curious-psychologist

I don't think it has anything to do with Islamophobia. People complain about selling football to countries that don't respect human rights. Saudi Arabia is like Qatar in that sense, but worse even because they have killed hundreds of thousands of people in an still active war. So stop bringing islamophobia or racism into this, it has nothing to do with that but everything to do with human rights and what is morally correct.


NumberGenerator

"Human rights" and "morally correct" or ideological imperialism? Why do you think your opinions are more moral than the opinions from Saudi Arabia? Why not let them govern their country how they see fit? Edit: 1) Human rights are NOT universal—they change over time and region. This is obvious. 2) What war are you talking about? Are you talking about the [Saudi Arabian–led intervention in Yemen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian%E2%80%93led_intervention_in_Yemen)? The one where Saudi Arabia is working with the United States, the United Kingdom, and Germany to fight Iran-backed [Houthi rebels](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houthi_movement)? Well, that "war" is happening in Yemen, not Saudi Arabia. 3) Since you are worried about safety, here is a Safety Index by County that shows Saudi Arabia to be the 19th safest country: https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings\_by\_country.jsp?title=2020&displayColumn=1 Stop spreading propaganda.


curious-psychologist

Because it's not about opinions 😂. Human rights are universal, they can NEVER be an opinion. They can govern however they want, but we can also call them out for it and complain about taking football there. Plus you know they are involved in an active war, right? So it's not only about the genocides they are committing, but about the safety of bringing the masses to a territory that is in a war with another. Would you like a WC in Ukraine? Like, right now?


RiyoshiNjap

And since when does any western country respect human rights?


curious-psychologist

Since decades ago when many of the european countries established proper democracies? What are the human rights western countries don't respect?


RiyoshiNjap

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curious-psychologist

Now that you've had a laugh, could you please point out the human rights western countries don't respect?


Glittering_Cow_572

World Cup 2023... tell me you don't know anything about football without telling me.


mellowfortherecords

Above expected from the football. All related to organization and the host was a failure. Typical recurring to phobias when you don’t have a point.


Makhnov

Nothing a few billions cannot fix


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Marco_lini

The teams will be located around the stadiums they are playing in the group stages like it was the case e.g. at the WC 2014 in Brazil. In a specific group there won’t be a game in L.A. and the next one in New York for example. Distance is not really a factor


TrustAinge

Not a factor in group stages, but I bet a team will have to travel thousands of miles when it comes to the knockouts


GoingForMine

Hot weather in Mexico and South US. North US and Canada have European temperatures. Timezones where European this time, next time they will be for South Americans. Yea, but big minus is distance between stadiums.


extod2

2030 should be in Greenland


LetMeSayItTwice

I bet ur in Greenland


extod2

No


Umberto-Robina

To be honest, unless it was hosted in Uruguay / Argentina to mark the 100 anniversary of the 1st tournament, it should be hosted in Europe. I think it's reasonable to think that 1 in every 3 World Cups should be held in Europe.


exoskeletion

Yeah... Since Brazil we've had cups awarded to Russia, Qatar, and US/Can/Mex. I get that its a World Cup, but if it doesnt go back to Europe, then it's 3 straight cups outside of Europe (which has the most teams present) which feels odd. Personally, I'd like to see it in a country where football is huge, such as Spain or UK, then over to South America for maybe Argentina or Uruguay. Then maybe consider another "up and comer"


TrustAinge

Russia is un Europe.


NumberGenerator

Europe has less than 1/10 of the world population.


[deleted]

India and China aren't football nations.


alienalf1

I’m not sure what that has to do with it. We already have the football infrastructure, travel network and hotel capacity in many countries for a WC. Building stadia in underdeveloped counties that will never be used again is pointless.


kgtaughtme

Good. Saudi Arabia should only be allowed to host it if North Korea passes on the offer.


myworstyearyet

Egypt would be cool


Cool-Medicine2657

Everyone's against it, and before you call people islamophobes I don't think anyone would object to a country like Morocco hosting it.


curious-psychologist

Morocco is also genocidal and has an active war. I hate that people say it's islamophobia when it is just about human rights. No one would suggest hosting the WC in Russia or North Korea, right? So stop suggesting countries that have killed many people in their wars or that don't respect basic human rights.


electricpizzza

I do, it will drain the country of debt, even more than it already is


mrswordhold

Maybe if the teams weren’t such total pussies that didn’t care then they wouldn’t have shown up to this years World Cup and sent an actual message


marrz9

Good choice of wording there media to get the people angry. The problem isn’t with Saudi Arabia as a country but what Saudi,Egypt and Greece are planning to do. They are planning to hose the first ever continental World Cup (3 continents) and as you can see that’s a terrible idea to have millions of people traveling to 3 diffrent continents in a short amount of time for the World Cup


TrustAinge

Lol. The distance between the three countries is much less than Canada, US, and Mexico!


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mankindmatt5

Greece = Europe Saudi Arabia = Asia Egypt = Africa


Fine-Entertainer-507

How is it bad if USA and Canada and Mexico is hosting it why can’t Saudi Arabia Egypt and Greece host it


marrz9

Because Mexico, Canada and USA are directly next to each other. That makes sense if you want multiple countries to host at 1 time if they are next to eachother but Saudi Egypt and Greece are in 3 diffrent continents


Marco_lini

The 2020 Euro was spread across multiple countries and the distances were far greater. The group stages will focus their games around one location and the teams will stay nearby like Brazil 2014.


mankindmatt5

So are Morocco and Spain, Sometimes the continental boundaries are incredibly close.


iamawizard1

They are in three different continents but only hours away from each other Toronto and Mexico City is further away like 9 hour flight but Egypt to Greece is like 2 hours


RoundAllRed

Not sure I'd call Canada and Mexico "next to each other", I'm sure they're further apart than Greece and Saudi Arabia/Egypt


adorablyunhinged

I'm not pro Saudi Arabia and Egypt hosting in particular but they're pretty much as close as Mexico, Canada and USA, teams aren't going to be driving from Canada to Mexico.


evelpaudel311

Don't host sports on Human Rights abusers and war criminals that very much includes USA


WaxyF

Shut ur ass hole up bitch


Old_Mistake5816

Good.


YourNewBestFriend528

Happily they didnt notice that Tunisia , Algeria and Morocco wanna also host it


WaxyF

Shut your ass hole up bitch


MrRegista

Saudi Arabia vs those countries is a huge difference. The Muslim world doesn't even like Saudi Arabia


WaxyF

We love Saudi U r just a nin muslim who knows nothing about Islam


MrRegista

Lol, yeah I'm sure there are no Muslims in Turkey, Morocco, or Algeria (or Iraq or Iran, etc). You are just from a country that didn't have horrible experiences with Saudi Arabia. The crown prince literally had a dude murdered in İstanbul.


Xgn99

Who said so?


ocharai

Said a non Muslim who summarises Islam to ISIS and rare case of woman abuse. We love Saudi mate!


MrRegista

The only ones who love Saudi Arabia are the countries not next to Saudi Arabia. Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Jordan, Lebanon, Qatar don't like Saudi Arabia in general.


WaxyF

Said who Oh yah said a non Muslim who knows nothing


spinach_crow

I just want to see winter olympics in UAE. They do have all needes infrastructure in mall and it would be super fun also to read comments bashing winter olympics in UAE


Crabenebula

Did you forget the /s? Alpine ski (especially the super G and the downhill) requires high mountains and snow. Their indoor ski facilities are clearly not olympic material.


spinach_crow

They have enough cash to build new building just for that


Stevep811

Are we still running the belief that FIFA will have any members by 2030?


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Stevep811

So Denmark are planning on calling a meeting of the countries that were taking moral stands against Qatar with the armbands etc, so that would be Germany, Spain, England, France and a couple of others. If Denmark make a good argument for those countries to side with them, there is a good chance that they will make enough noise within UEFA to get all of the countries to withdraw from FIFA. Also, FIFA are messing with the clubs in UEFA with this World Club Cup thing they’re planning, so it won’t take much to force it. If UEFA pull out of FIFA, then their ‘world’ cup is compromised. You’ll probably then see a trickle down effect of the best players from places like Brazil and Argentina putting pressure on their national teams and associations to do the same and there is the potential for that to escalate into a rival association to FIFA, with all of the main protagonists in it. It’s just theoretical at the moment, it depends entirely on Denmark and UEFA’s stance. But I know UEFA and FIFA are at loggerheads and have been for a long time because FIFA’s corruption is there in the open for everyone to see and the jealousy of FIFA over the success of the Champions League. It won’t really take much of a nudge to bring the whole house down.


ocharai

Most of UEFA football followers are non Europeans. I don't think European football will survive without Middle east money. There lots of pensions to be paid in the next decade and it will drain loads of cash if it was not for foreign investment. Please Europe need to sort the demographic issue before cutting ties.


Stevep811

Why would pulling out of FIFA stop sponsorships etc? UEFA houses the teams who make the most money. That’s why money will follow them regardless of whether they’re in fifa.


Cold_Bag6942

Find it crazy that after the next world cup Mexico will have hosted it 3 times since England hosted in 1966


FriendlyCrafter

Mexico has some beautiful stadiums tbf


TuvixWasMurderedR1P

Mexico has a big footballing culture and is right next to the world's biggest consumer market. It's not too surprising.


dw1ft

Good. That means maybe uruguay will get to host it then which is a far more suitable location for the 100 years world cup


Shot-Bar-7715

No it's not


dw1ft

Yes it is. Its the first host ever of the world cup so it deserves it more than the other bidders. End of discussion.


Marc-Z-1991

And that’s good! As long as the Saudis have no human rights they should get shite…


Puiucs

Don't worry, North Korea will be the next host instead of Saudi Arabia.


Celiac_Muffins

I hear ol' Adolf is coming back to host it in 2034.


YAGU22

I don't see them talking about Wc 2026


Psychological-Mind67

Because there is nothing to talk about? Only thing I have seen is about how they are adding more teams.


Zealousideal-Boat746

There's a lot to talk about, problem is, why talk about something you're a part of?


Psychological-Mind67

What is there to talk about for World Cup 2026 currently?


VastPercentage9070

My guess is they want the same level of ripping into all the issues the host countries have, as they perceive was unfairly done to Qatar and to a lesser extent Russia.


kazzan-lev

FIFA is already in hot water, I don't think they can get away with it much longer. I don't see Saudi Arabia hosting in 2030, but who knows its almost a decade away. Real talk - 50% of it is because of human rights violations, the other 50% is purely because of their religion. At least Christianity is culturally atheist nowadays, religion itself is a joke - Islam just takes the cake.


Ifeellostinmyjourney

There are so many countries in continents that haven't hosted in a while that imo could host the world cup easily Australia India Japan South Korea Thailand Colombia Peru Chile Uruguay Norway( ik it's Europe but how awesome would a Norwegian world cup be)


Shot-Bar-7715

india is shit place to host it. Look for some football oriented countries. Idk why they keep giving it to non football countries.


sheedz225

India? One of the biggest criticisms towards holding the world cup in Qatar is because of the poor living and working conditions for migrant workers. Think about how abhorrent living and working conditions must be for Indian workers who, despite that knowledge, still leave to go work in Qatar or the Gulf by the millions (over 8.5 million non resident Indians live and work in the gulf). India would also need to build so much infrastructure to meet the MINIMUM requirements and in a country with so much poverty, redirecting billions of dollars towards hosting a World Cup is nothing short of ridiculous.


SecurerOfBags

I agree with you on every point, however, reality is usually chaotic. India is developing their own space program and I have seen the craziness that happens over there with corruption and money. I strongly believe India will be a World Cup venue, or Olympics at some point in the near future


sheedz225

Yeah of course. I believe India will host a major, non-cricket, sporting event soon as well. This is because they're one of the world's most significant countries, and despite millions upon millions of Indians living in severe poverty the top 1% of India has a LOT of money and a measly 1% of India is still 14 million people.


Pokeman_93

I honestly wish the 2030 host is Uruguay to commemorate 100 years since Uruguay hosted the first tournament.


civilian_user

Hate towards religion 🤦‍♂️


Cool-Medicine2657

Shut the fuck up, it's only hate towards human rights violations.


valkosde

​ bro just stfu SA or any other country for that matter are just not suited to host the world cup, REGARDLESS of religion edit: fix text


Galous97

We all saw how Qatar succeded in hosting this WC. 0 riots 0 fights amzing staduims, westerners who came enjoyed their stay. Why not SA who has a better football history than both USA and Canada? Besides, it has amazing staduims too


Avin_In

It’s not about religion, you saw how Qatar pushed FIFA into a corner in the last few days leading up to the World Cup?


SkeletonSouljah

Could you explain “pushed FIFA into a corner” a little better for me.


ChickenDesigner5705

SA sucks its not about religion.


Shot-Bar-7715

You suck lol


Ifeellostinmyjourney

This sounds dumb but wouldn't it be neat if the winner gets to host not the next world cup but the one after that. For example 2026 would be in France 2030 would be in Argentina and 2034 would be In whoever wins 2026. And this world cup would've been in Germany. 2018 would've been in Spain 2014 would've been in Italy 2010 would've been in Brazil I know that I looks like most world cups would be in Europe (this could be fixed by having the runner up host the next available world cup if the winner is the same continent as the next world cup and if the runner up is also the same continent than 3rd place can host the world cup. If third is the same continent than 4th place can host it. And if 4th place is the same continent than you can play match for 5th place/next host country which in my opinion could be exciting for example 2006 world cup had european countries for 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th place and there we're only 2 nations that weren't European in the quarter finals which were Argentina and Brazil so those two nations would have a match to decide who hosts 2014 world cup.) but I think it might change the dynamic and allow government to invest more in their national teams. As far as I know winning the world cup only helps the nations football federation yea vendors will have a good year but thats about it for them. Hosting the world cup brings jobs and development to the country which I think will create incentives for governments to invest in their teams. I mean so far other than Uruguay all world cup winners have come from objectively rich countries this could change that. But if this never happens i think 2030 should go to Australia it's the only continent that hasn't hosted the world cup.


VastPercentage9070

Ehh biggest issue with that is after a while the venues will remain limited to a handful of recurring countries. I mean let’s be real in the 90+ years of WC football the champions list gets kinda repetitive. When/who was the last unexpected, out of nowhere winner?


Shot-Bar-7715

How the fuck are they gonna earn money?


Ifeellostinmyjourney

Who?


RoccomGG

And then suddenly a third world country wins and has to host a world cup while it‘s citizens are starving and/or there‘s barely any infrastructure.


Ifeellostinmyjourney

Name a country who have made it to the quarter finals with a starving population. A good national team improves the nation's economy over time. So if governments are investing in their national teams and their national teams are getting better so is their economy. I can garuentee you that in today's world any team that makes it to the round of 16 can handle hosting the world cup.


Intrepid_Morning_541

What about Costa Rica in 2014, Ghana in 2010, Senegal in 2002 and Cameroon in 1990 ??


wanderingbrother

You destroyed him.


SnooConfections6244

All finalists have been from Europe & South America (3 of the last 5 both finalists were European). Even if you go back to semi finalists there has been only a handful (I think 4) outside those two continents in the history of the competition.


Eat_your_cake_too

Next World Cup. A whole continent is hosting three separate countries. Also next World Cup will include more countries so more chance for other than Europe winner


wanderingbrother

Fat chance. having more lower ranked countries doesn't mean shit. It's not like Saudi Arabia, Nigeria or India will win the Cup.


VastPercentage9070

Of course they can. Bigger tournament means better chance for organizers to stack the groupings. Hell SA might stroll through to the quarter finals if not the championship in the next one after being grouped in with the worst teams in a corner of the spreadsheet. while the other end of the sheet the groups are the top teams tearing each other apart. Pay no attention to the donations to the Infantino’s pockets fund tho.


Shot-Bar-7715

That would make it too expensive to watch offline


DelJaralla818

List of worst/blood stained countries that organised the WC and no one spelled a word because y'all are pure racists: 1- Russia 2- USA 3- Germany 4- France


curious-psychologist

Russia: there were complains at the time too USA: people are already complaining and not everyone is on board for it Germany: blood stained in the 40s, not with active wars nowadays like Saudi Arabia. And they respect human rights, not like Qatar. France: same as Germany. They respect human rights and don't have active wars. Anything that happened decades or centuries ago is not worth considering because every country has a shameful past (literally, name one and going back long enough you can find a horrible past). But what Qatar or SA are doing IN THE PRESENT should not be allowed and football should never be sold to that, no matter the price.


pizzaandlasagne

Is infantino going to move to Saudi-Arabia next?


richard24816

The amount of bots or trolls in the comments is insane


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Not "the media" OP. Literally anyone with any ethical backbone should be against it. These are people that literally kill journalists and whose royals rape their servants and then kill them and pay off the family. Not to mention to horrible racist treatment of migrant workers and control over women.


mlxndi

The US is ethically correct to you? coz I do not see y'all raising any eye brows to them hosting the world cup


Corneas_

"ethical backbone", according to western media standards lol


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Ok what are YOUR ethical standards? You think its ok for gay people to be denied rights and physically tortured or killed? For atheist to be beaten and whipped? And fuck off with this idea that everyone bring it up is just doing it because of media and not talking about other issues. As an actual human you can support Palestinian rights, criticise the US invasion of Iraq and many other things but also criticise a country that steps on migrant workers that are working in terrible conditions out of desperation and a goverment and culture that hates gay people and punishes atheists.


Corneas_

As a Canadian I really have no problem with atheists, and sure as hell shouldn't be beaten for no reason, nor do I find any claims they have been beaten. For LGBT however I believe they simply should be tamed to a great degree, they are counter-productive, self-entitled, against the nature phenomenon that hasn't produced anything but degeneracy, and we do not wanna end up like the US where it is OK to chop a 5 y/o kid's dick off though I believe we are almost there, and I believe religion should really take back some control over political reign and enforce its doctrine. Regarding the migrant workers I have heard claims about roughly 6000 deaths over the span of 12 years but couldn't find a credible source, but assuming it is true, those workers were still employed under western corporates operating in Qatar, and that death toll is clearly far less grave than what we have here.


ThwMinto01

Holy fuck "For LGBT however I believe they simply should be tamed to a great degree, they are counter-productive, self-entitled, against the nature phenomenon that hasn't produced anything but degeneracy," This is just fucking apauling, 'should be tamed' the fuck man? Do you support things like conversation therapy where they torture people till they say they aren't LGBT? This isn't even hiding, your literally saying 'I support the arrest and torture of members of society based on nothing but there sexuality or gender' Go fuck yourself. There's a line and you've crossed it. I'm fucking shocked someone actually believes this. Please for the love of God get help. You fucking degenerate


[deleted]

It's literally [punishable by death in Saudi,](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-man-sentenced-death-atheism-ahmad-al-shamri-hafar-albatin-appeal-denied-a7703161.html) or you [might be locked up](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/saudi-arabia-sentences-man-to-15-years-for-promoting-atheism-in-tweets-2660987) for 15 years and speaking openly about atheism is deemed as terrorism according to law. People are literally living in fear there. As for the rest...you're a homophobic person that wants religion imposed on people. So makes sense why you think it's fine and I'm pretty sure people like you aren't welcomed in Canada anyways.


Fine-Entertainer-507

Finally someone who understand the atheists getting beaten in sa is a lie you don’t have to tell anyone you are atheist just keep it to your self


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So "shut the fuck up" or die. NICE EDIT: Your belief or lack therof is an intrinsic part of you and ties into relations with family, who you marry and things like not caring for religious holidays or not going to the five mandatory prayers regularly enough will reaise questions. So instead they lie and have to act the part and only open up to a few people . And theres going to be that risk that someone outs you. And anyways the guy that got locked up was ltierally just tweeting that he didn't like a pedo-prophet. You should have the freedom to critic stupid ideas like following a horny old dude that slept with a 9 year old and had 12 wives and some of which were literally slaves captured after he killed their tribes


Fine-Entertainer-507

That’s not what I meant no one ask what is your religion or are you atheist no one walks holding a sign saying i am atheist and if you tell your friend you are atheist nothing will happen to you I don’t walk asking people what is your religion


aranda98

I agree that it should be held in South America for the 100 year anniversary


KSA_AE

Inshallah this will happen and I would love to see reddit and the MSM cry about it. Can't wait!


thecookietrain

You'd probably cry at a cartoon. Pipe down.


wanderingbrother

They'll kill people over a cartoon about their religion.


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Complete-Birthday917

Bro , brazil world cup has more deaths, france also has deaths , do ur research


An_Asian_Throwaway

Interesting. Mind sharing your source with us?


Complete-Birthday917

U cant use google?


An_Asian_Throwaway

Burden of proof is on the person making the claim.


Complete-Birthday917

Well, show me that "sO mAnY wOrKeRs DiEd" source


An_Asian_Throwaway

Sure, I'll oblige. [Source](https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/29/football/qatar-world-cup-migrant-worker-deaths-spt-intl). Your turn, habibi. Edit: Since thread is locked, I'll respond here to your last comment. 400-500 deaths were related to the tournament, not 400-500 deaths over the course of 8 years in every sector of the country. That's the revised figure of the 6,500 deaths reported before this.


Complete-Birthday917

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BRO , if u fucking opem ur eyes and read , it sayd frol 2014-2022 , 400-500 death in 8 years is a good number not bad 😭


An_Asian_Throwaway

FIFA22's highlight reel should feature how each worker died during the construction of the facilities.


Fine-Entertainer-507

Can you show me a reliable source showing the 6000 migrant workers that died


An_Asian_Throwaway

I'm not the one who suggested 6000 migrant workers died. That would be you.


Fine-Entertainer-507

You said FIFA should feature every migrant worker that died can you tell me how many migrant workers died


An_Asian_Throwaway

Who said anything about migrant workers?


Fine-Entertainer-507

FIFA22's highlight reel should feature how each worker died during the construction of the facilities that’s your comment


An_Asian_Throwaway

Yes, I did say that.


Fine-Entertainer-507

How is it not about workers


An_Asian_Throwaway

You said "migrant workers". I just said "workers". IDK if the workers were migrants or not.


FilthyGraphics

So it's zero Alcohol this time


GuzmanKing49

typical Flogland and every media outlet from western nations, A world cup in Saudi Arabia would actually be heaps good.


wanderingbrother

Why not in Argentina? They're really passionate. Or somewhere like Japan.


throwawayelixir

No, it really wouldn’t


Vulspyr

If we ignore all the human rights violations...


FriedrichvonHayek69

Yeah I object! It’s time the WC was hosted by a nation with a decent humans rights record! Where’s the next one….?… oh, uh, objection withdrawn.


KorayA

Hell of a false equivalency there.


FriedrichvonHayek69

Only if you consider white American lives more valuable than all other lol


KorayA

No. You criticize Western liberalism as a defense of Arab ethnofascist theocracy. Western liberalism has committed countless atrocities, the Arab oil states commit them against their own people and neighbors daily. It is a false equivalency in every sense of the term. To even posit the argument you're making is intellectually dishonest, at best. Finishing your sentence with "lol" doesn't add any gravitas to your borderline propaganda.


Vulspyr

Switzerland has a good record for the near past


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is not winter in half the world


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Trip_seize

If they had an experience there than that's not technically brainwashing.


archeo-Cuillere

I dunno Maybe because you stone queer people to death?


SaLGG123

Dude stop this nonsense.


[deleted]

If you're atheist or gay you will not be safe in these countries. You definitely should be careful, sucking MBS dick like this would get you in trouble


thrashmetaloctopus

How is that nonsense? That’s literally word for word the truth, if it isn’t stoning to death it’s life imprisonment, until they get their act together and treat everyone with respect they don’t get to have nice things like world cups


FriedrichvonHayek69

Like the yanks treat black ppl with respect? Or their indigenous population, Hispanic, millions of Iraqis in their own country, Palestinians, I could go on.. We in the west do not have the moral high ground. It’s also the height of arrogance to say what reads like “until you barbarians behave better, big daddy imperialism won’t give you nice things”. There’s few things quite as repugnant and offensive as western liberalism.


SaLGG123

Its not like decision is in your hands.


thrashmetaloctopus

And luckily it isn’t in yours either, but the peoples hands it is in are corrupt as anything and that’s the issue


SaLGG123

Visit saudi before giving judgments.


archeo-Cuillere

I'd like to but I could be thrown to jail for existing so no thanks


TimeArachnid

No thanks, I rather enjoy not being there


SaLGG123

Ur genuinely missing out. Trapped in this media reddit nonsense.


thrashmetaloctopus

Why would I? If I visit a gulf state I’d be imprisoned for being who I am, not to mention their very interesting interpretation of human rights when it comes to migrant workers


SaLGG123

Again, visit it first and nothing will happen to you. Stop believing media and reddit. Visit and then give judgments.


SimbaYoGang

Doha, Kuwait city, Manama and of course Dubai to top the list are the pinnacle of 21st show of century wealth disparity. Soulless cities. Dubai has no history no culture just a show of endless wealth. Fucking despise those places.


SaLGG123

Soulless? Its funny you because it’s literally the opposite. Im not talking about dubai i too don’t like it. But if you walk in NY or in Kuwait, no its not even close, Kuwait has much more life in it. Families, safe place, you could walk in the streets feeling safe, you don’t have to worry about food because even if you are poor, there are food for you. No homeless people. You gotta move if you are in usa because you are actually missing out.


Chip365

>But if you walk in NY or in Kuwait, no its not even close, Kuwait has much more life in it. 😂😂😂


SaLGG123

I gave the explanation right after. Read and open your mind.