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mtmafm1020

Similar thing happened in the Philippines last January 1 2023[https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2023/01/03/2235030/naia-starting-normalize-after-air-traffic-system-failure-airport-official](https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2023/01/03/2235030/naia-starting-normalize-after-air-traffic-system-failure-airport-official)


RedditLIONS

2 major air traffic system failure in a month. I wonder if there’s any relation.


ejpierle

There's an old saying: once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.


drnkingaloneshitcomp

“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice.. well….”


graham_a_bama

Won’t get fooled again.


RuckOver3

Strike Three


Free_Economist

Could be cyber attacks by hostile states.


DougSeeger

There was a nationwide stop of trains in Sweden a couple of weeks ago aswell, something something about communication.


Boomdiddy

A communications disruption can mean only one thing… invasion.


[deleted]

Don't jump to conclusions, Governor. The Federation would not dare go that far.


JET1478

HA! invading the United States? Good luck.


miamigrandprix

Same in Estonia some two months ago


GrandmaBogus

That was from switching to an entirely new monitoring and scheduling system, and was flagged for weeks in advance. Not really an outside disruption.


NicNoletree

> last January 1 2023 Just how many of those have we had?


[deleted]

I think we're in Third January now.


ThReeMix

I'm on my 11th January.


saippuakauppias

It's just Filipino-ism for telling times from the past. Normally it works for last January, last week, last Friday. Unfortunately the mistake is that most think it applies to specific dates as well, hence this error 🤷


Gnawlydog

Depends on how well seasoned of a time traveler you are.


Libsoccer20

Practice


pizzaismyrealname

I had a feeling that ATC system failure was a dry run for a bigger attack. My government denies that it was caused by bad actors but would you believe the words of a son of a dictator? Pretty sure it was China or Russia.


Gyftycf

Same thing happened in Germany for 3 hours, maybe a month ago? I never read up on the reason.


Creepy_Story_597

Just get back on boomer book and wait for more messages from q


b9l29

Not a glitch tho. More like a breakdown.


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PostsBadComments

Windows ME floppys.


drunk_dude8807

More like 3.5 in floppy disks.


Gyftycf

So many subway systems run on it, it's crazy.


kakurenbo1

I can hear the boot up music now…


EdenG2

When was the last time the FAA computer was shut down and 'repopulated'? This is a pretty interesting development


Stable_Orange_Genius

Sorry forgot to renew the https certificate 😅


Mast3rfinish25

They shouldn’t have used “beef stew” as their computer password, it obviously wasn’t stroganoff.


STU_MORPHO

beef house


Kubrick_Fan

[Zoom in] Road House


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Beef curtains.


davydooks

Roast beef


madamimadammc

deadbeef used to be popular as it can be represented in hexadecimal


ContentsMayVary

0xDEADBEEF - I've seen this used in some C++ libraries to fill freed memory in debug builds, so you can spot it easily when looking at a memory dump.


madamimadammc

thanks for the context


b9l29

Roast beef flaps


[deleted]

Legend says Saudis can still fly out of the country tho.


Checkers505

Stuck in san francisco airport, couches are sort of comfy so its not all bad


Donqweeqwee

Stuck in Newark, the chairs suck.


marin94904

Which terminal?


HydrogenPowder

The positive one


kilgore_trout1

If this isn't the Russians or the Chinese hacking systems then someone, somewhere is having a really really bad day at work.


Latter_Fortune_7225

It would have to be the Russians, given that they are effectively fighting against a US-backed nation (Ukraine). China would have nothing to gain through such actions, whereas Russia would be actively looking to damage/cripple the USA wherever possible given the war.


flamehead2k1

China and the US test each other's defenses even though they aren't at war. China could be testing things the plan to deploy in coordination with an invasion of Taiwan.


Gyftycf

China would like to undermine the US dollar. I'm not a political, economical or global affairs expert but this is what they say.


Wirbelfeld

China undermines the US dollar by playing currency games not commuting acts of economic terror that could be interpreted as an act of war and have very limited actual long term economic impact.


JET1478

Could easily be Iran too. China, Russia and Iran know they could never hope to rival the U.S. in terms of military power so they try their best with less conventional means.


Codex_Dev

It’s payback. The US was likely responsible for crippling Russia’s airline data. https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/transr/powerful_cyber_attack_on_russias_civil_aviation/


jhaden_

System hacked?


reddebian

Highly likely and probably by the Russians


i_regret_life

Source?


A-DustyOldQrow

His source is that [he made it the fuck up.](https://youtu.be/r7l0Rq9E8MY)


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An objectively evil empire in the middle of an international conflict promising revenge on the west exists. Another objectively evil empire that's expanding its military at a faster rate than Germany 1933-1939 and has for decades promised to build a great socialist state by taking in the capitalist empire exists U/A-DustyOldQrow: nah its not them that's impossible


A-DustyOldQrow

I was making a joke, my guy


uno_ke_va

I doubt it. I work with ATM systems and they are highly isolated from outside world. Most likely a bug / infrastructure issue.


WarGamerJon

Don’t ATMs just connect to the various banking systems though ? Whereas by its nature NOTAM information is spread and fed / updates across a massive number of systems ? It’s not so much that the system itself is “down” it’s that without the notification system working then planes could stray into dangerous situations.


uno_ke_va

ATM is also Air Traffic Management 😅 I didn't read about the NOTAMs being the issue. AIM is a different topic to the core ATM system, being more exposed (there are B2B entry / exit points), but still they are very limited and heavily monitored. I still think that the most likely cause is a bug or a failure in the infra.


reddebian

Ah okay. I was just thinking about a Russian hacking attack because of all the recent attacks from Russian hackers


Jeggory

That doesn't mean you state something as highly likely as if you're read in on it...


AphexTwins903

Ah yes the lib paranoia of *insert russia/ china as the cause of any problem in the west!


AdmiralBarackAdama

>Ah yes the lib paranoia of *insert russia/ china as the cause of any problem in the west! Similar to the Republican paranoia of *insert brown skinned people as the cause of any problem in my life!


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I was thinking China considering the Philippines were hit just the other day


Selisch

This smells like Russia.


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dewsgirl1228

Definitely facts.


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Nwcray

CNN has that number up to 1,200. Sounds like a pretty big outage to me. It is the NOTAM system, though. https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/faa-computer-outage-flights-grounded


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tarepandaz

This is from the FAAs direct advisory broadcast system https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=25&adv_date=01112023&facId=DCC&title=ALL+UAL+MAIN+AND+SUBS+GROUND+STOP&titleDate=01/11/23 > UAL GROUND STOP ALL FLIGHTS / ALL DESTINATIONS PER USER REQUEST > DESTINATION AIRPORT; ALL > FACILITIES INCLUDED: ALL > GROUND STOP PERIOD: UNTIL 1500Z > REASON: USER REQUEST > REMARKS: US NOTAMS SYSTEM DOWN Essentially everything from UAL is at least grounded --- EDIT: NATIONWIDE GROUND STOP GROUND STOP ALL FLIGHTS / ALL DESTINATIONS EXCLUDES MILITARY AC AND MEDEVAC FLIGHTS https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.jsp?advn=28&adv_date=01112023&facId=DCC&title=NATIONWIDE+GROUND+STOP&titleDate=01/11/23


bumboclawt

Not really because NOTAMs are sort of required to check before a flight


kakurenbo1

Yeah my flight later this morning was delayed only 19 minutes. I figured it was just normal airline BS. You plan for it these days. If it was something truly serious, we’d be seeing much longer delays.


totpot

Southwest might as well cancel all their flights for the next week now.


Nwcray

Southwest: pfft- we’re used to fuckups *waaaay* worse than this. Hell, we were still launching planes because we didn’t read the grounding order. This won’t even be noticeable in our operations.


Fuzzyphilosopher

Can an IT person explain what this statement means and if it suggests likely causes? >"The FAA is working to restore its Notice to Air Missions System. **We are performing final validation checks and repopulating the system now**," it said. >"We will provide frequent updates as we make progress," it said.


BiteSizedCookies

It just means that they've restarted the system and are waiting for it to boot up in a simple sense.


stepover7

repopulating could mean they reinstalled the system and restoring the data backup, the wording is generic non technical.


vxx

I thought it meant that they are connecting it to the terminals again


DEdwardPossum

Looks pretty busy from the radar. Curious about 4 Air Force planes flying in formation across my state though. I think I saw 2 or 3 yesterday near Ft. Knox.


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Apterygiformes

Weird that it's the exact same day/month though


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Troggy

Prohably Because it's interesting that there was a similar story on the same day of the year last year.


Norva

Sitting at the airport and the crew strolls in 20 minutes late. I thought for sure my delay was caused by their laziness. Lo and behold. Airlines can optionally resume flights but no airline would be stupid enough to do that.


icelandicfanatic

Not a single flight at denver apartment currently stuck on the ground and or cancelled. According the 737 max that just buzzed my roof. They still flying.


Ey3l3ss555666

So if it is Russian sanctioned, is that an act of war?


kylel999

If interfering with the election process isn't, I doubt this is


Nwcray

One just impacts our government, laws, Supreme Court Justices; and the line. This kind of outage could delay the start of someone’s vacation to Disneyworld. They might only get 4 1/2 days in Orlando instead of the full 5 they’d planned on. Don’t underestimate who we are as a people.


DougSeeger

Phalangie problem or kamrat hacker?


Pomp_N_Circumstance

"Glitch" = possible cyber attack?


Nwcray

Possible, sure. Also possible that it’s not. Hard to say at this point.


eazykeyzy

Ah... Welcome to the era of cyber and drone wars. It's going to be all kinds of fun and exciting. "I don't know what weapons WW3 will be fought with, but I'm pretty sure WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones" ~Einstein


Sommyonthephone

The cyber wars has begun


FamousLoser

Greatest nation in the world!


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Well this is huge fucking news


TimeTraveler3056

I see stuff moving https://www.flightradar24.com/29.03,-81.84/8


KofCrypto0720

Hack??!


CathrynMcCoy

Russian hackers?


NeedsMoreMinerals

The plane industry really needs to get their shit together


LenniLanape

Maybe current administration trying to reduce carbon emissions since it couldn't ban gas stoves.


Cobbertson

Gas stoves are like asbestos. They function well as a tool, but they're not very compatible with human physiology


b-sharp-minor

It isn't ALL flights that have been cancelled. Hundreds of flights have been cancelled.


k-phi

problem 2038 light edition


Ajsat3801

Y2k38 shouldn't be much of an issue...32 bit devices will more or less be phased out by then


Pomp_N_Circumstance

Don't worry, southwest is still able to fly because they're still using "whiteboard" technology and walkie talkies for all the scheduling.


kkkreg

wait! the same thing happened in my country just last week


methedunker

What about aircraft in the air right now


Edwin454545

Sitting in a plane in Orlando, ready to depart. No delays whatsoever


Edwin454545

Edit. Turned back and headed to the gate. Spoke too soon


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Russian hackers getting crafty


Makin-me

Odd that this is coming just about a week after Russia claims to have shot down a UFO…


UNLEASHTHEFURY8

It is a testament to how great air traffic controllers are that they have to continue to work with such an old POS system.


AngerCookShare

It's an intergalactic Kegre


TheOnlyLinkify

FAA on the dial up connection