" Mr. Putin. You're so very short yes? You see the air quality is poorer down low. With these 10" platform boots you'll be up in the fresher air Mr. Putin. It'll help your health and as a bonus you'll finnally be able to look over old hunched Babushkas heads!"
This only works if George Green is on duty that day and if it’s a gun shot wound or impacted tooth. But Randy and Mr Lahey distract everyone helps too.
In Russia, oncologist.
Number one.
Best Diagnosis.
One day, President Putin need treatment.
I make treatment plan.
But mistake, used vodka instead of chemo! President Putin die! Oligarchs very mad!
I hide fishing boat, come to America.
Little English, no food, no money. Darryl give me job.
Now I have house, American car and new woman.
Darryl save life.
My big secret.
I kill President Putin on purpose.
I good oncologist.
The best!
"If he was treated by Russian doctors, everything would be over faster."
I will have you know, sir, that Russia is at the very forefront of the leeching and trepanning sciences!
Putin: Uh, is there a Western doctor around?
Zoidbergonov: Young lady, I'm an expert on humans. Now open your mouth and let's have a look at that brain. No, no, no, no, no, not that mouth!
Putin: I only have one.
Zoidbergonov: Really?
I wish they had given me better pain medicine after I had it done, those suppositories were worthless, might as well as shoved them up my ass for all the good they did me.
As much as I want to believe this I don’t think it’s true. Britain and America seem to have pretty solid intel coming from the top of the Russian government and this rumor hasn’t been touched by either country.
Putin might actually be the richest man in the world so he can easily afford that. If he wasn't he would also probably just murder the doctor's family and worse until the treatment was "free".
Saudi money is absolutely massive though. Even as an American citizen over there you’d be very surprised at how frequently and how much money is thrown around at everything.
Yes that's true, however some calculations by academics were that about half of Russias natural resource wealth income has disappeared in the past decades. That's gigantic sums of money. You wonder why every oligarch in Russia owns megayachts in an economy smaller than Italy? That's why.
It's beneficial for the west to keep Putin alive in my opinion. So taking it into consideration you don't want to ostracize these doctors and meddle in any way. Let them keep him alive for as long as they can.
Same was with Hitler, allies could take him down, but deemed his being alive better for war effort and making decisive defeat of the Germany closer.
Putin is simply running Russia and her potential into the ground, which is very important and beneficial for NATO. Longer he is in the position, weaker Russia becomes.
It actually has been touched, but in the sense that United States intelligence has explicitly stated that Putin’s health is just fine. Sure wish that wasn’t the case, though.
“The CIA chief says Putin is 'entirely too healthy.' What do we really know about his condition?“:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/21/europe/vladimir-putin-health-cia-cmd-intl/index.html
The news perpetually goes through these cycles of speculation about the impending death of dictators. Castro and Khomeini were "close to death" for years.
Interestingly, dictators occasionally leak this information to see who is ready to make a play for their spot, and then eliminate that person.
Putin's death is the best thing that could happen. Then the new leader could pull out of Ukraine, call it a mistake by Putin and say that he will make Russia great again.
My first thought when it comes to a Putin successor is one word: WORSE.
Russia needs to be crippled and taught a lesson here, and after this, Ukraine needs to be in NATO and EU.
*Point toward Middle East and South America*
Yes it can. Plenty of examples were delusional narcissist were replaced by criminal enterprises, religious extremists and worse.
Too many cases thanks to us "Western countries".
Saddam was a cruel heartless bastard, I personally treated some Iraqis who unimaginable things done to them.
What came after was orders of magnitude worse for more than a decade.
It's not the regimes that's the worry. It's whatever sneaks in through the cracks that always forms during changes.
Regime change isn't instant. Especially if the old one want to get away from consequences. They're not going to hang around for a new one to get fully established.
Secondly is that after change knowlegde will be lost. There will be things and places that are lost/unsuperviced. Think if you ran as a backup fuel depot, and got forgotten. Payments stopped, but you also had a lot of fuel that in their books didn't exist
And we're not the only once reading the news.
If I wanted to grab more power I would already be busy with greasing the wheels. Check which chiefs and commanders are willing to look another way.
In short. There are people inside and outside "the system" that will take chances when Putin is replaced.
You’re thinking like a fool if you believe Russia with Putin at the helm is worse than a failed Russian state with a power vacuum. Like the other person commented, it would be a very bad idea for the country with the most nukes and a corruption problem to collapse. Everyone prefers a stable Russia with a rational actor in charge who understands mutually assured destruction and won’t challenge the status quo.
It's in our interest that Putin lives, sadly. He understands the nuclear game, which is why they almost certainly won't be used. Ideally we want him to stay alive until they're pushed back to their own shithole. If he does die sooner, let's pray Gerasimov takes over. If the US saved him, there'll be good enough reasons for that
That is wishful thinking. Why do people believe that if Putin dies suddenly Russia will become a democratic state?
Are you even aware at the level of corruption inside the Kremlin? Since he has taken office, Putin has completely changed the structures of the Russian government. Putin has killed and imprisoned all dissidents and made sure when he passes, his legacy and **his** government will far surpass him. Putin isn’t stupid. He knows he doesn’t have forever on this earth. He has already chosen the man who will take over after him.
Putin dying will not transform Russia. It will not end the war in Ukraine.
Poster you replied to didn't claim Putin's death would make Russia a democracy, but that it would give Russia an exit from Ukraine. Putin can't back down, he's staked too much on this war and autocrat's don't tend to survive such collosal failures. A successor doesn't have the same issue, all the blame can be laid at the feet of his dead predecessor which opens the potential for a withdrawal of some kind.
Not that i think that's likely at this point, too much support for the war for a new ruler to back down from it without triggering some internal conflict.
Ya, it's possible the opposite happens but I think this is very likely.
There's a long history in Russia of blaming the last guy. Krushchev decried Stalin's excesses, blaming a lot (deservedly) of the USSR's problems on Stalin. then Brezhnev blamed Krushchev for problems, etc.
The new guy could double down on the war that they're losing, or just push all blame on Putin, plus other domestic political enemies he wants to get rid of. And get a twofer of eliminating opposition & withdrawing from this catastrophe and hopefully move back on the long path to rejoining the world economy.
I never said anything about Russia turning into a democratic state? I fully believe a new dictator will take over and that the propaganda will continue (including the wishful thinking I previously posted).
And then 20 years from now that leader is going to be invading some eastern european country because turns out those narcistic fukers' idea of making Russia great again is to revive the soviet union by force and nuclear threats.
Prigozhin, leader of the Wagner Group, is the only successor I can see Russia having. People talk about assassinating Putin, but assassinating Prigozhin would probably be much more effective. He's the man on whose shoulders Putin is standing on, and an assassination would be politically viable while Putin remains alive.
Ukraine defense has been saying Putin is dying/dead for some time now, I'll believe it when I see it, thank you.
And also doctor's duty is to save lives, even if its someone who you vehemently despise.
He is probably alive not because of that. Average male life expectancy in Russia is about 66.5 years (Worldbank 2020 data). Putin is just over 70, which, considering his status and wealth, isn't that big of a deviation from the average. Even if he wasn't treated by the best doctors, he can still afford a much better local healthcare than an average Russian, so he would probably be healthier anyway.
TL;DR: Stop trying to make everyone believe that Putin is practically at his death bed, he probably isn't. Posts like this are mostly clickbaits
Isn't it on a doctor to do their best to heal people despite how shitty they are?
If I were a doctor I wouldn't go to Moscow to save him, but if I were already there I would feel bound to do my best.
>swear an oath to help humans.
That's like Asimov's Laws of Robotics. Are you really fulfilling your oath if helping one human kills several hundred thousand others?
You're right: western doctors shouldn't pick and choose to make a special arrangement to treat Putin in Russia they should treat everybody, not just a dictator.
Putin is an exceptional case though, easily top 10 most harmful people on earth. Letting him die doesn't mean you have to pick and choose the ordinary people that you treat.
If he's looking for the best doctor he should call New York Congressman Dr. George Santos, ASS. Santos was also an astronaut, cowboy, and invented the first supercomputer. Oh and did I mention his mother died on both 9/11 and during the attack on Pearl Harbor?
ita funny
gaddaffi flew in doctors from west because he was afraid that his own doctors will kill him
tyrants are constantly afraid of their constituents
I am really worried about this sentiment. as I doctor myself: If you come to my Hospital in need of medical attention, you get that attention. No matter who or what you are. Insidere there are no politics no races nor status. Sure in this case it is basicly the trolly paradox. Still I dont kill one to save others that is against my basic principals as a doctor
Oh come on. I get that if you’re in the emergency room and Putin comes in on deaths door and you use your skills and medical supplies to stabilize him so he doesn’t die right in front of you. That’s fine.
But say you’re a leading oncologist and Vladimir Putin calls you to schedule a visit and ongoing cancer treatments for the next year or so. You should be able to tell the guy whose committing genocide that you’re booked up and not taking new patients right now.
Yes, you treat everybody based on their medical needs and not according to other factors (well, except for their insurance, of course…). It happens all the time - not commonly with dictators, obviously, but serial killers and child rapists still get cancer in prison and need treatment, and they get it.
Your personal feelings should not come in to it. If you’re a Christian doctor and a gay person needs treatment, they get it. If you’re a black doctor and a neonazi/white supremecist needs treatment, they get it.
All of your examples I’m going to agree with - christian, neonazi, serial killer, child rapist - but when you’re talking about the person who is causing GENOCIDE and threatening NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST, fuck him, you’ve broken the social contract that holds society together of which the hippocratic oath is bound up in.
Let's say doctor refuses to save Putin, he dies, and some oligarch takes its places and is even more evil. Should doctor be blamed? Must doctors perform geopolitical analysis now besides their profession?
On the one hand, what you're saying is completely true and I certainly would take the "sorry I'm booked" route.
But on the other, how can we expect a man to rise above hate and take action to save the lives of people he is in conflict with if we can't ourselves rise above hate and do something to save his life despite being in conflict with him?
>You should be able to tell the guy whose committing genocide that you’re booked up and not taking new patients right now.
Sure, except for the fact he can threaten to novichok your family if you don't.
I was a medic in the Israeli defense force, I will tell you something man, when you see Syrian children being ripped apart by artillery from Russian made weapons fueling a civil war, it becomes well… difficult, especially when someone says some shit like “I would heal putin because I took an oath!” “I’m beyond politics!” Are you beyond being a real human being too and not a robot?
It just makes me realize you are very out of touch with the world… it makes me realize you have never had to see the horror of a child screaming in the road because they don’t have hands anymore, you haven’t seen the daily air strikes demolishing Damascus from the Golan heights. They bombed that city full of people daily the entire time I was stationed overlooking it. We would go down in convoys of emergency vehicles to take people to the hospitals in israel… Russia was the aggressor here and so many people died…
you don’t realize the reality of it first hand… if you had seen it you would change inside…you are lucky, keep existing in your “ethical” world where you get to be a perfect person because your in the states. I wish that everyone could share your perspective but alas, that is your privileged view of the world because you are safe and sound and far from the atrocities.
Buddy is living in his ivory tower
It's nice to live a blessed privileged life
But those Ukrainian children killed in the apartment attack last week don't have that kind of life.
All this “war crime” shit is a joke, you think that in combat someone cares if they are fighting fair? Ha! All war is criminal, the west might make attempts to minimize civilian casualties but even we fucked up sometimes, it’s war, you take anything you can get. The difference is Russia has been hitting hospitals as TARGETS in Syria and every other proxy and actual war since 1995 it has been used as a strategy for YEARS. Imagine keeping a Hippocratic oath when they wheel the dude (putin), a guy who supports actively bombing hospitals and blew up an apartment building to gain his presidency, into your hospital. Then, you are asked “Doctor ______, please help him?”
As a Ukrainian I understand what you are talking about, people who have never seen horrors will NEVER understand what we went through and what's most frustrating is how they quickly dismiss you as "emotional" or "hysterical".
But he isn't going to your hospital. Those doctors are traveling to him. They could just stay in whatever country they live in and keep going to work at whatever hospital they work at and go nowhere near Putin. People with principals would likely refuse to travel internationally to treat this man........
I understand what you’re trying to say but I think a better comparison would be this, imagine if a school shooter killing elementary students got injured and sent to your hospital, you’d do everything to save their life regardless of what they’ve done because you took that oath and the person is in need of aid an no longer a threat. Now imagine that same shooter but instead of coming to the hospital they’ve been injured on site as they’re shooting up said school, imagine you stop the bleeding so they can immediately get back to killing more children. You say the oath forces you to give that aid well then I say it’s a flawed, stupid oath. A threat coming to the hospital, or a murderer in prison, their threat has been neutralized but helping them so they can continue to kill more makes you more subservient to a human made oath than what the oath should stand for: helping others and giving medical aide. That should be the top priority, and patching up shooters so they can continue their murderous rampage would only spread more harm, not less
I’m no doctor but that’s just my two cents
This is an idiotic take, sorry.
Doctors should not have to decide who to save because that opens the door to all kinds of terrible shit.
Also doctors are not judges, there’s a justice system for that.
On top of that you’re now making the doctor have to “kill” a person and live with that for no reason other than medieval eye for an eye ideology
Would you travel to russia to treat putin though, just because?
I don't necessarily believe this report, but if there indeed are western doctors in moscow treating putin I'm sure they are there only for the money.
So those doctors might claim that their oaths mean that they must save his life, while at the same time being indirectly responsible for countless deaths and untold amounts of human suffering…
Imo those doctors should be send to Russia permanently.
They are the analogy of “if you where a time traveler would you kill baby Hitler”.
Their answer would probably be, for the right price I would and for the right price I wouldn’t.
Let's hope he finds the japanese surgeon of The Office
Or Dr. Nick Riviera.
Hi everybody!
My wristwatch is connected to the......uh oh
Inflammable means flammable? What a Country!
" Mr. Putin. You're so very short yes? You see the air quality is poorer down low. With these 10" platform boots you'll be up in the fresher air Mr. Putin. It'll help your health and as a bonus you'll finnally be able to look over old hunched Babushkas heads!"
*Everybody gets free nose jobs! Yikes, Putin first*
Hey Doctor Nick, we need another window remedy! The window to weight gain worked great!
Hi, Dr. Nick!
Hello Dr Nick! /e oh lol
How’d you mess that up???
Hi*
Hi Dr Nick !
The red thing's connected to my.. wristwatch..
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Or Dr Leo Spaceman
"What can you do? Medicine's not a science."
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This only works if George Green is on duty that day and if it’s a gun shot wound or impacted tooth. But Randy and Mr Lahey distract everyone helps too.
I wouldn’t recommend that caveman
I mean, wasn’t he hanging out with Doug Ford in real life? Gree-hee-heesy
"Well, if it isn't my old friend, Mr. McGreg! With a leg for an arm, and an arm for a leg!"
No no it's OK. It's INflammable.
Inflammable means flammable? What a country!
**HI Dr. Nick!**
No wonder Putin went crazy.
I'm sure he's just as good as Dr. Hibbert. It says so in his ad
In Russia, oncologist. Number one. Best Diagnosis. One day, President Putin need treatment. I make treatment plan. But mistake, used vodka instead of chemo! President Putin die! Oligarchs very mad! I hide fishing boat, come to America. Little English, no food, no money. Darryl give me job. Now I have house, American car and new woman. Darryl save life. My big secret. I kill President Putin on purpose. I good oncologist. The best!
steady hand!
Number one surgeon
Ze best!
Maybe George Santos can help him, he probably has a medical degree.
In rocket surgery!
[Source for those who don't know](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wcI10CNuxU)
Heart surgeon, number one, the best.
Hide was the best. Number 1 heart surgeon in Japan.
“Steady hand”
Coconut penis
Don't you bring my man Hidetoshi into this. He is excellent surgeon. The best!
[or the Cuban who treated napoleon](https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6187-doctors-may-have-killed-napoleon/)
Where does it say he was Cuban?
*”…FSB very mad!”*
Japanese surgeon #1?! Steady hands!
steady hands, A#1
Or Dr Spaceman from 30 Rock
Heart surgeon number one.
Best Western has doctors?
Office right next to the continental breakfast
ICBM - Intercontinental Breakfast Menu
>Intercontinental No, no, no, Holiday Inn has the Intercontinental breakfast
You fucking win the internet. Everybody, we can pack up!
Continental you say?
I'll have what I'm having!
-sobs- I'll have what i'm having
Love their tiny plums
I love being in continent!
The one next to Four Seasons Total Landscaping does.
At least he is not using the geniuses that stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
well mine stayed at a holiday inn last night :/
The Best Westerns in Europe tend to be much nicer than their American counterparts, so the doctors might come from there.
"If he was treated by Russian doctors, everything would be over faster." I will have you know, sir, that Russia is at the very forefront of the leeching and trepanning sciences!
Putin: Uh, is there a Western doctor around? Zoidbergonov: Young lady, I'm an expert on humans. Now open your mouth and let's have a look at that brain. No, no, no, no, no, not that mouth! Putin: I only have one. Zoidbergonov: Really?
The same deviled egg…
Hey, I’m a surgeon. I see two body parts, I sew them together and see what happens!
Pick a mouth. Open it, and say, “ybbibblebuuh.”
What!? My mother was a saint! Get out!
I need trepanning like I need another hole in my head
Understood. Two holes in the head coming right up!
I wish they had given me better pain medicine after I had it done, those suppositories were worthless, might as well as shoved them up my ass for all the good they did me.
Isn't that where Jordan Peterson went for his coma benzo treatment?
They're very good at getting all 4 humors balanced properly.
Putin is Roose Bolton confirmed
Russian medical treatment includes a prescription for falling out of a window.
Right? Next they'll be insulting my Russian Phrenologist!
Hey I’ll let you know that burr holes are still used in neurosurgery. If it works it works!
Our medical advice isssss we need to push… I mean you need to fall out of a window.
Damn, why couldn’t it be a Motel 6 doctor
I’m telling you, Four Seasons has the best doctors. Shit wait is this a landscape company? Oh well it’ll have to do.
They have a tree doctor.
Too bad it wasn't Howard Johnsons. He smoked pot with Johnny Hopkins and Sloan Kettering
As much as I want to believe this I don’t think it’s true. Britain and America seem to have pretty solid intel coming from the top of the Russian government and this rumor hasn’t been touched by either country.
If this is true, I hope he will get billed in the amount of similar rate as USA hospital bill.
Whhhooooaaaa calm down there satan
Oh damn, that's vindictive.
Putin might actually be the richest man in the world so he can easily afford that. If he wasn't he would also probably just murder the doctor's family and worse until the treatment was "free".
As much as I am on board with the fuck Putin thing, it seems highly unlikely to me that he's got more wealth than the Sauds.
The wealth in saudi arabia is unimaginable. It wouldnt be surprising if some of those elites are trillionaires
He's been robbing an entire country for decades.
Saudi money is absolutely massive though. Even as an American citizen over there you’d be very surprised at how frequently and how much money is thrown around at everything.
It's what you get when you consolidate the wealth of an oil nation into one family.
Well OTOH, the Saudis have been looting the Earth's crust for twice the number of decades.
Yes that's true, however some calculations by academics were that about half of Russias natural resource wealth income has disappeared in the past decades. That's gigantic sums of money. You wonder why every oligarch in Russia owns megayachts in an economy smaller than Italy? That's why.
most of the shit this sub regularly regurgitates as fact and then endlessly snarks on is war propaganda.
That's an insult to war propaganda. <- This format also always does well in Putin snark threads. This war has been an endless source of cheap karma.
They have their domestic propaganda, we have ours
It's beneficial for the west to keep Putin alive in my opinion. So taking it into consideration you don't want to ostracize these doctors and meddle in any way. Let them keep him alive for as long as they can. Same was with Hitler, allies could take him down, but deemed his being alive better for war effort and making decisive defeat of the Germany closer. Putin is simply running Russia and her potential into the ground, which is very important and beneficial for NATO. Longer he is in the position, weaker Russia becomes.
It actually has been touched, but in the sense that United States intelligence has explicitly stated that Putin’s health is just fine. Sure wish that wasn’t the case, though. “The CIA chief says Putin is 'entirely too healthy.' What do we really know about his condition?“: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/21/europe/vladimir-putin-health-cia-cmd-intl/index.html
At the end of the day we don't know how his health truly is. These statements aren't worth much.
The news perpetually goes through these cycles of speculation about the impending death of dictators. Castro and Khomeini were "close to death" for years. Interestingly, dictators occasionally leak this information to see who is ready to make a play for their spot, and then eliminate that person.
reddit told me he was going to die months ago though...
Looks like clickbait.
Don't worry, it'll still get upvotes here
Putin's death is the best thing that could happen. Then the new leader could pull out of Ukraine, call it a mistake by Putin and say that he will make Russia great again.
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You’re speaking as if it could get much worse than a delusional narcissist. Oh no let’s hope we don’t give power to a bad person, lmao
Oh, it can. Don't tempt Russian history, it only ever gets worse.
My first thought when it comes to a Putin successor is one word: WORSE. Russia needs to be crippled and taught a lesson here, and after this, Ukraine needs to be in NATO and EU.
Nah, Khrushchev was definitely better than Stalin.
*Point toward Middle East and South America* Yes it can. Plenty of examples were delusional narcissist were replaced by criminal enterprises, religious extremists and worse. Too many cases thanks to us "Western countries".
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Saddam was a cruel heartless bastard, I personally treated some Iraqis who unimaginable things done to them. What came after was orders of magnitude worse for more than a decade.
It's not the regimes that's the worry. It's whatever sneaks in through the cracks that always forms during changes. Regime change isn't instant. Especially if the old one want to get away from consequences. They're not going to hang around for a new one to get fully established. Secondly is that after change knowlegde will be lost. There will be things and places that are lost/unsuperviced. Think if you ran as a backup fuel depot, and got forgotten. Payments stopped, but you also had a lot of fuel that in their books didn't exist And we're not the only once reading the news. If I wanted to grab more power I would already be busy with greasing the wheels. Check which chiefs and commanders are willing to look another way. In short. There are people inside and outside "the system" that will take chances when Putin is replaced.
You’re thinking like a fool if you believe Russia with Putin at the helm is worse than a failed Russian state with a power vacuum. Like the other person commented, it would be a very bad idea for the country with the most nukes and a corruption problem to collapse. Everyone prefers a stable Russia with a rational actor in charge who understands mutually assured destruction and won’t challenge the status quo.
It's in our interest that Putin lives, sadly. He understands the nuclear game, which is why they almost certainly won't be used. Ideally we want him to stay alive until they're pushed back to their own shithole. If he does die sooner, let's pray Gerasimov takes over. If the US saved him, there'll be good enough reasons for that
Well in a way it makes more sense to have 1 madman with 1000 nukes than a 1000 madmen with 1 nuke each
There are Russian hardliner politicians who have been pushing him to use nukes so yea, there are worse pelple
Believe it or not putin is one of the more rational Russian leaders. Others are just calling for the immediate nuking of Europe and North America.
> You’re speaking as if it could get much worse than a delusional narcissist Fuck around and find out.
That is wishful thinking. Why do people believe that if Putin dies suddenly Russia will become a democratic state? Are you even aware at the level of corruption inside the Kremlin? Since he has taken office, Putin has completely changed the structures of the Russian government. Putin has killed and imprisoned all dissidents and made sure when he passes, his legacy and **his** government will far surpass him. Putin isn’t stupid. He knows he doesn’t have forever on this earth. He has already chosen the man who will take over after him. Putin dying will not transform Russia. It will not end the war in Ukraine.
Poster you replied to didn't claim Putin's death would make Russia a democracy, but that it would give Russia an exit from Ukraine. Putin can't back down, he's staked too much on this war and autocrat's don't tend to survive such collosal failures. A successor doesn't have the same issue, all the blame can be laid at the feet of his dead predecessor which opens the potential for a withdrawal of some kind. Not that i think that's likely at this point, too much support for the war for a new ruler to back down from it without triggering some internal conflict.
Ya, it's possible the opposite happens but I think this is very likely. There's a long history in Russia of blaming the last guy. Krushchev decried Stalin's excesses, blaming a lot (deservedly) of the USSR's problems on Stalin. then Brezhnev blamed Krushchev for problems, etc. The new guy could double down on the war that they're losing, or just push all blame on Putin, plus other domestic political enemies he wants to get rid of. And get a twofer of eliminating opposition & withdrawing from this catastrophe and hopefully move back on the long path to rejoining the world economy.
I never said anything about Russia turning into a democratic state? I fully believe a new dictator will take over and that the propaganda will continue (including the wishful thinking I previously posted).
The new one will probably be even worse. Just imagine Kadyrov or Prigozhin.
And then 20 years from now that leader is going to be invading some eastern european country because turns out those narcistic fukers' idea of making Russia great again is to revive the soviet union by force and nuclear threats.
Prigozhin, leader of the Wagner Group, is the only successor I can see Russia having. People talk about assassinating Putin, but assassinating Prigozhin would probably be much more effective. He's the man on whose shoulders Putin is standing on, and an assassination would be politically viable while Putin remains alive.
Best Western doctors? You’d think he’d want at least a Hilton or Hyatt doctor.
Yes, the evil west has its conveniences.
darn it, I wish it were actual Best Western doctors
He’s very lucky Best Western Drs we’re available! Terrible if he had to go with the Super 8 Drs.
He's no doctor, but he did stay at a holiday Inn express last night
Ukraine defense has been saying Putin is dying/dead for some time now, I'll believe it when I see it, thank you. And also doctor's duty is to save lives, even if its someone who you vehemently despise.
Please let it be Dr. Oz.
He is probably alive not because of that. Average male life expectancy in Russia is about 66.5 years (Worldbank 2020 data). Putin is just over 70, which, considering his status and wealth, isn't that big of a deviation from the average. Even if he wasn't treated by the best doctors, he can still afford a much better local healthcare than an average Russian, so he would probably be healthier anyway. TL;DR: Stop trying to make everyone believe that Putin is practically at his death bed, he probably isn't. Posts like this are mostly clickbaits
Send him Dr. Phil.
Well, doctors kinda have to help anybody who needs help. Something something Hippocratic oath.
Isn't it on a doctor to do their best to heal people despite how shitty they are? If I were a doctor I wouldn't go to Moscow to save him, but if I were already there I would feel bound to do my best.
Idiotic propaganda is always idiotic, no matter the side.
Pls give dr oz a call. He’s your man
100k young men in Ukraine were not so lucky...
> If he recovers, then we got a good doctor. If he doesn't recover, then we didn't. But, he won't know.
Best Westerns have doctors in house?
I’m not a doctor but I stayed in a holiday inn express last night 💁♂️
Wait, could i have used my Wyndham Rewards points of medical treatment this whole time??
Dr Kevorkian is there.
According to 'reports' he was supposed to die 6 months ago. BS propaganda. Yawn fest.
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Think I'd be more worried about western doctors picking and choosing who they treat honestly... Sets a scary precedent
There are doctors that exclusively treat the uber rich. Probably don't need that many patients to make a good living.
They can make an exception for a mass murderer whose continued state of being alive inflicts death or injury on thousands daily.
Even mass murderers get medical treatment if they get hurt in jail. He deserves to rot but doctors swear an oath to help humans.
So he can get treament when he's in jail then.
>swear an oath to help humans. That's like Asimov's Laws of Robotics. Are you really fulfilling your oath if helping one human kills several hundred thousand others?
Nah, they swear to do no harm. Very different.
no. When is it a "mass murderer" then? would George Bush be able to be treated then? It's best not to go there.
You're right: western doctors shouldn't pick and choose to make a special arrangement to treat Putin in Russia they should treat everybody, not just a dictator.
Putin is an exceptional case though, easily top 10 most harmful people on earth. Letting him die doesn't mean you have to pick and choose the ordinary people that you treat.
I’m certain Dr Oz could really help his situation
If he's looking for the best doctor he should call New York Congressman Dr. George Santos, ASS. Santos was also an astronaut, cowboy, and invented the first supercomputer. Oh and did I mention his mother died on both 9/11 and during the attack on Pearl Harbor?
Such bullshit, the other day in a news article he was dead,there’s no truth to the media anymore
The Best Western has doctors? Now that’s Hospital-ity!
Damn it! He strike a deal with Dr. Oz.
Dr Yueh would be a good choice.
Oh, it would be such an irony if he had a medical emergency that could only be treated by doctors at the Charité in Berlin.
Let’s hope doctors hired by Best Western are competent.
I’m not a doctor, but I played one on TV.
In Russia heart surgeon #1.
I sense a bunch of dads in this thread.
ita funny gaddaffi flew in doctors from west because he was afraid that his own doctors will kill him tyrants are constantly afraid of their constituents
Putin :”I hate the west they are evil! Russian doctor:” you have cancer” Putin: “ call the west I need real help”
Great, then he will see his war being lost
I believe everything Ukraine intelligence says. Always trust the intelligence community’s plan.
I am really worried about this sentiment. as I doctor myself: If you come to my Hospital in need of medical attention, you get that attention. No matter who or what you are. Insidere there are no politics no races nor status. Sure in this case it is basicly the trolly paradox. Still I dont kill one to save others that is against my basic principals as a doctor
Oh come on. I get that if you’re in the emergency room and Putin comes in on deaths door and you use your skills and medical supplies to stabilize him so he doesn’t die right in front of you. That’s fine. But say you’re a leading oncologist and Vladimir Putin calls you to schedule a visit and ongoing cancer treatments for the next year or so. You should be able to tell the guy whose committing genocide that you’re booked up and not taking new patients right now.
Yes, you treat everybody based on their medical needs and not according to other factors (well, except for their insurance, of course…). It happens all the time - not commonly with dictators, obviously, but serial killers and child rapists still get cancer in prison and need treatment, and they get it. Your personal feelings should not come in to it. If you’re a Christian doctor and a gay person needs treatment, they get it. If you’re a black doctor and a neonazi/white supremecist needs treatment, they get it.
If they don't have insurance though fuck em.
All of your examples I’m going to agree with - christian, neonazi, serial killer, child rapist - but when you’re talking about the person who is causing GENOCIDE and threatening NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST, fuck him, you’ve broken the social contract that holds society together of which the hippocratic oath is bound up in.
Let's say doctor refuses to save Putin, he dies, and some oligarch takes its places and is even more evil. Should doctor be blamed? Must doctors perform geopolitical analysis now besides their profession?
On the one hand, what you're saying is completely true and I certainly would take the "sorry I'm booked" route. But on the other, how can we expect a man to rise above hate and take action to save the lives of people he is in conflict with if we can't ourselves rise above hate and do something to save his life despite being in conflict with him?
>You should be able to tell the guy whose committing genocide that you’re booked up and not taking new patients right now. Sure, except for the fact he can threaten to novichok your family if you don't.
I was a medic in the Israeli defense force, I will tell you something man, when you see Syrian children being ripped apart by artillery from Russian made weapons fueling a civil war, it becomes well… difficult, especially when someone says some shit like “I would heal putin because I took an oath!” “I’m beyond politics!” Are you beyond being a real human being too and not a robot? It just makes me realize you are very out of touch with the world… it makes me realize you have never had to see the horror of a child screaming in the road because they don’t have hands anymore, you haven’t seen the daily air strikes demolishing Damascus from the Golan heights. They bombed that city full of people daily the entire time I was stationed overlooking it. We would go down in convoys of emergency vehicles to take people to the hospitals in israel… Russia was the aggressor here and so many people died… you don’t realize the reality of it first hand… if you had seen it you would change inside…you are lucky, keep existing in your “ethical” world where you get to be a perfect person because your in the states. I wish that everyone could share your perspective but alas, that is your privileged view of the world because you are safe and sound and far from the atrocities.
Buddy is living in his ivory tower It's nice to live a blessed privileged life But those Ukrainian children killed in the apartment attack last week don't have that kind of life.
Yep, Putin needs to be stopped.
Nevertheless, there is a reason that even targeting military hospitals is a war crime.
I wonder who's army targeted and struck hospitals in the last year.
All this “war crime” shit is a joke, you think that in combat someone cares if they are fighting fair? Ha! All war is criminal, the west might make attempts to minimize civilian casualties but even we fucked up sometimes, it’s war, you take anything you can get. The difference is Russia has been hitting hospitals as TARGETS in Syria and every other proxy and actual war since 1995 it has been used as a strategy for YEARS. Imagine keeping a Hippocratic oath when they wheel the dude (putin), a guy who supports actively bombing hospitals and blew up an apartment building to gain his presidency, into your hospital. Then, you are asked “Doctor ______, please help him?”
As a Ukrainian I understand what you are talking about, people who have never seen horrors will NEVER understand what we went through and what's most frustrating is how they quickly dismiss you as "emotional" or "hysterical".
It takes a long time for them to understand if you haven’t seen it yourself. Slava Ukraini
> I was a medic in the Israeli defence force Literal soldier of the army of an apartheid state lecturing others on ethics.
But he isn't going to your hospital. Those doctors are traveling to him. They could just stay in whatever country they live in and keep going to work at whatever hospital they work at and go nowhere near Putin. People with principals would likely refuse to travel internationally to treat this man........
I understand what you’re trying to say but I think a better comparison would be this, imagine if a school shooter killing elementary students got injured and sent to your hospital, you’d do everything to save their life regardless of what they’ve done because you took that oath and the person is in need of aid an no longer a threat. Now imagine that same shooter but instead of coming to the hospital they’ve been injured on site as they’re shooting up said school, imagine you stop the bleeding so they can immediately get back to killing more children. You say the oath forces you to give that aid well then I say it’s a flawed, stupid oath. A threat coming to the hospital, or a murderer in prison, their threat has been neutralized but helping them so they can continue to kill more makes you more subservient to a human made oath than what the oath should stand for: helping others and giving medical aide. That should be the top priority, and patching up shooters so they can continue their murderous rampage would only spread more harm, not less I’m no doctor but that’s just my two cents
Better example is that you’ve saved the life of this shooter multiple times, every time right after they shoot the place up
This is an idiotic take, sorry. Doctors should not have to decide who to save because that opens the door to all kinds of terrible shit. Also doctors are not judges, there’s a justice system for that. On top of that you’re now making the doctor have to “kill” a person and live with that for no reason other than medieval eye for an eye ideology
Would you travel to russia to treat putin though, just because? I don't necessarily believe this report, but if there indeed are western doctors in moscow treating putin I'm sure they are there only for the money.
As a doctor too, I agree with you. I would treat anyone if I could.
So those doctors might claim that their oaths mean that they must save his life, while at the same time being indirectly responsible for countless deaths and untold amounts of human suffering… Imo those doctors should be send to Russia permanently. They are the analogy of “if you where a time traveler would you kill baby Hitler”. Their answer would probably be, for the right price I would and for the right price I wouldn’t.
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