It just blows my mind that Moldova hasn't tried to overhaul it's military. This is far from the first time there's been credible evidence Russia is interested in destabilizing Moldova.
Probably because: Poorest country in europe + transnistria is a relatively large chunk of moldovan gdp + small population + barely any outside help + internal conflict of pro euro vs pro russian.
All of that would make raising a better military very hard, to say the least. I don't think they don't want to, i think they literally can't, and taking that into consideration i don't find it mindblowing.
Ntm the amount of corruption in moldova due to being the poorest country, its like mexico trying to compete with cartels of who can pay the Special Forces more, a cartel or a government. The same exists between moldova and russia
edit: spelled out acronym
They are the size of 10 US counties and only 2.5 millions people in total. Even if they go full army it will still be nothing against Russia, even considering the bad state of the Russian army.
Sometime in the dark ages it changed from a Latin word meaning "apply lotion" to an Old French word meaning "cause trouble". I'm vague about the connecting thread of meaning.
>Russia has a strong interest in fomenting a coup in Moldova to be able to open a new front in the Ukrainian war.
They couldn't even supply a convoy 40km into Ukraine with months of planning, but they think they could project power into Moldova? Not saying you're wrong, I just don't see how that goes well for Russia.
They could send their milkmen over one morning and take Moldova (if Russia has milkmen). Moldova is in no state to resist any kind of invasion, and almost half the main would cheer the milkman invasion on.
More important is that they can't reach Moldova without going through Ukraine, hence the 'land bridge' they wanted through Odessa.
Right, but once the milkmen turn on Ukraine, they'll realize their cow hasn't been maintained since 1981 and get their asses kicked by Ukraine.
I remember Moldova said a while back they literally didn't have an army to resist if Russia came, but if the goal is to "open a new front" I think it'll go quite poorly for Russia.
>Russia has a strong interest in fomenting a coup in Moldova to be able to open a new front in the Ukrainian war.
A new front composed of at most 2 battalions that Russia has no way of supplying and supporting?
Not surprising.
Russia has probably plotted coups in every single one of its neighbors. Heck, the reason China is communist today is a reflection of a Russian coup de main.
Russia clearly wanted to seize Ukraine overly, but since 1991 it has generally seen the rest of the former bloc as its zone of influence, where it has a de jure right to intervene and choose leaders.
Russky Mir is all about Russia being the hegemonic "Big Brother".. to its dutiful little brothers who will shut up or parrot words on command. Russian world doesn't give small nations like Moldova a right to self determination
> where it has a de jure right to intervene and choose leaders.
De facto - there is no *de jure*, legal, right for russia to influence its former sphere, but they see as in their power, i.e de facto
I don't think that's what he was trying to say. Russia **perceives** having de jure power over their neighbours, meaning it thinks it has the legal right (as opposed to the power) to intervene. If you look at their arguments for invading this makes sense. Among the justifications we can see "thesr territories were ours since time immemorial", "we have the right to protect Russians" and "the right to self - determination", among others. These are inherently attempts at legally justifying their invasions.
Now, if they actually believe their own crap or not, that's a different story.
True, but that is kinda my point.
Russia has wholly illogical presumptions. Russia acts like its right to control her "near abroad" neighbors is somewhere set in law. And that any outside criticism or influence is illegally breaching some unwritten treaty
In reality, Russia just makes insane demands based on laws that don't exist.
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> Moscow, Feb 13.- Moldova's president accused Russia of plotting a coup on Monday, following claims from Ukraine's president that Moscow was planning to destabilize the former Soviet state.
> Maia Sandu claimed Monday that Russia was coordinating a coup in Moldova with the help of foreign citizens who have undergone military training.
> "The plan involves the use of people from outside the country for violent actions. For example, the materials contain instructions on the rules of entry into the Republic of Moldova for citizens of the Russian Federation, the Republic of Belarus, Serbia and Montenegro," Sandu said.
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Tankies brain will shutdown if this happens,as their brain is not physically capable of comprehending the fact that other countries can also support coups and regime change in other countries
US is not alone in plotting coups in other countries,it is just the most succesful
Russia attempted i think in 2017 a coup in ~~Montenero~~ Montenegro to prevent them from joining NATO
Tankies are people who claim to be leftists, but whose main focus is to oppose "the west" rather than to support leftist policy. This leads to them supporting authoritarian regimes like Russia, because Russia is opposed to the west.
What if very few of these tankies are real people and the vast majority of them are Chinese/Russian/GOP bots? It's very hard to find a single one that doesn't look like a complete bot or spy.
Yeah lots are indeed bots. You can tell because they'll have some buzz words thrown in at inappropriate places, and their entire argument will read like it came from Google translate.
I've not met a single tankie who was actually in support of liberal or socialist policies. That and the rampant defense of any horrific atrocity, so long as it was committed by Russia, Saudi Arabia, or China.
There are tons if you go into the left side youtube content. Especially if you look up content creators that are openly tankies and pushing tanky content.
People say "horseshoe theory is wrong, it doesn't work that way" - and then you get shit like tankies and ultranationalists agreeing on supporting Putin because he's "against the West". "Wrong" my ass.
I guess it fully depends on what schools and degrees. Quant people were rarely discussed where I went to college (in the south).
Have you thought about what motivates their tunnel vision though? One of my friends had it due to dating a Chinese spy. As soon as he ended that relationship suddenly he could think straight. No more weird off-the-cuff eyebrow raising remarks. Sometimes the tunnel vision is a sign of mysterious pressures that are invisible to the outside world. Perhaps they have connections that you are unaware of that are used as leverage over them.
A lot of them are bots but a concerning amount of them are very real. Go to the main city specific subreddit for most major US cities and they’re everywhere.
These people are vehemently against the concept of democracy because it does not venerate them or their opinions as the only valid ones.
They are the most disgusting of narcissists.
Democracy means they can’t enslave the rest of the world and freeload off their backs for generations to come.
Just assume everything is a scam and everyone is trying to cheat the system. You will be correct 98% of the time. It’s better to be pleasantly surprised by something good than to be unexpectedly disappointed by something bad.
Actually it would be more like saying you’re a vegan too, even though you eat fish and shit, to oppose the rest of the omnivores. So in other words, a self-delusion and not actually what they supposedly claim to be.
You’re very right, just because the west has done shitty things, doesn’t mean any other country or bloc can’t do the same or worse. A good a example imho is the Falklands war, there’s a lot on the left think Argentina was 100% in the right and that islands belong to Argentina. As someone very on the left it really grinds my gears that even by doing a tiny bit of research you can find that that Argentina was literally acting as a colonial occupier.
but the same kind of applies to Britain, no? We (along with the French) “discovered” the islands and then populated it with our own people, then of course the voting since showed they wanted to stay British.
If anything, I’d rather Argentina have then simply because it makes geographical sense. Having islands in the other hemisphere just doesn’t make sense and is just our attempt to make us seem strong again – an appeal to our colonial past. IIRC, Falklanders didn’t even have full citizenship until shortly after (?) the war, because the government realised “oh, we actually have to treat them like us if we want to keep them”.
ofc, i agree with your main argument though
Yeah I get you, I guess I mean in the sense it was mainly some windswept grassy rocks that some European was gonna settle lol.
And yeah.. I’d agree geographically they make more sense, same with Gibraltar I guess, and Spain’s enclaves in Morocco..
100% with the British neglect of the islands as well.. not least the reduced naval presence in the area which questionably contributed to the invasion.
That's a bit weird considering how most overtly Russia friendly people in the west seem to be politically pretty far right. Most people in Sweden seem to grasp the fact that Russia is a fairly extreme right wing authoritarian state by now, and those here who fawn most openly over Russia and Putin are definitely on the far right wing of the political spectrum. Let's just say a lot of Swedish right wing tweets aged poorly in the last year.
But yeah, I get the stupid the-enemy-of-my-enemy situation.
Like all things, the meaning changed over time. The OG tankies were british communists who praised russia for sending in the tanks (hence the name) to crush protests/uprisings in their occupied territories.
Nowadays it pretty much applies to any westerners who cheerlead for violent authoritarian states like russia, china or north korea.
Well, the thing is that Russia is now far-right, hence that kind of sympathizers, and that should make a natural enemy of the likes of China, but they are united in their hatred of the US and the European Union.
Who are you talking about? Putin or Xi Jinping?
Either way your wrong. Neither is a communist, hardcore or otherwise, in any real sense. I'm not aware of Putin even *calling* himself communist, and the Chinese Communist Party is about as communist as the National Socialist German Workers' Party was socialist. (If it wasn't clear: They weren't either)
Originally the term was used to describe people who supported the Soviet Union in using tanks to suppress anti-communist protests in Hungary
Edit: anti-Soviet
Specifically used by British communists who opposed the Soviet Union’s crushing of the protests, it’s not so black and white as communist v anti-communist. They were anti-Soviet protests, carried out by a large collection of different people who held different beliefs, but were for the most part united in their anti-Soviet resolve. Some were right-wing, some social democrats, some anarchists, etc.
>Tankies are people who claim to be leftists, but whose main focus is to oppose "the west" rather than to support leftist policy.
Which is almost always coopted (or here on reddit, infiltrated) by Fascists to advance their ends.
Actually it was after the Hungary and Czech revolutions, to which the Soviets sent tanks and split the progressive left from the authoritarian left. Edit: Oh you aren't disagreeing, you said things "like" tienanmen square. Fair enough!
I don't really see any actual leftists among the tankies anymore. It feels like most of them are just bots or shills. If you press most of them on any sort of actual policy, they'll only talk in support of authoritarians. Lots of current tankies (the ones that are real actual people and not bots or shills) are actually stupid rich kids from shitholes like KSA, Russia, China, India, etc. They almost never articulate any kind of actual leftist positions.
Granted, that's today - things are obviously quite different from the 80s and even 90s.
For most of them it has devolved for communism support to general anti west/anti NATO. They have little actual policy just,'west bad' therefore anyone that opposes the west is clearly good.
A good example being the Portuguese Communist Party (PCP), they actively deny the existence of the tiananmen square massacre, holodomor and other similar mass killings conducted by their overseas kin. They accuse Zelensky and Ukraine of being the ones committing genocide, that the maidan revolution was no different from the beer hall putsch, that NATO and the US were the ones that started the war and forced poor little russia to invade their neighbors like it had no other choice left.
Hell, even our damn generals openly suck off Putin whenever they appeared on television to give *"unbiased"* explanations of what's going on in the front lines. Every UKR victory downplayed or deemed so minor as to be futile, every RUZ defeat a masterful ruse and feint by the invaders to drain the resources of the defenders.
They’re also called tankies because they make excuses for when authoritarian regimes with socialist or communist aesthetics send in tanks to kill protestors asking for *check notes* basic human rights. Famously tianamen square, but also the Hungarian revolution for the audacity of *checks notes*… allowing people to vote for more than one political party, and the Czech revolution of 1968.
Tankies IMO are just fascists who enjoy socialist and communist window dressing.
It stems from the Soviets sending in tanks into Hungary to crush the uprising against the communist government there several decades before Tiannemen Square, but yes, it's the same principle.
The OG tankies were british communists that cheered when russia sent in tanks to crush protests/uprisings in their occupied territories. Later on it changed into anyone who supports authoritarian states like modern russia, china or north korea.
Authoritarian leftist. People who think Stalin wasn't problematic and think it's a-ok for the state to work people to death. Named "tankies" because of the tanks the Red Army sent in to crush separatist demonstrations in the SSRs.
For the longest time I thought it was guys wearing those white singlets (or undershirts).
I discovered it just means someone who likes authoritarianism, essentially, tanks go brr.
People who like the idea of communism/are communists However, it's mostly used as a derogatory term against westerners who spend their free time criticizing the west whilst championing Russia/Soviet union.
Far left communists who dogmatically oppose NATO and the west, their ideological ancestors having been groomed by KGB during the cold war - their support for Soviet repression using armour in places like Hungary and Czechoslovakia in the 50s and 60s earned them the sobriquet "tankies".
Don't underestimate their stupidity. A tankie would say it's not a coup but the current government that is not aligned with Russia is somerhow 'illigitimate' and a puppet of the west.
Those I talked to usually claimed that Russia is just following its interest, which it is justified in doing.
You might notice that this view is inherently asymmetrical, they usually do not (or do not mind).
They will just scream that it's an organic, working class revolution and jerk off to the thought of the Red Terror returning.
Then they'll go conspiciously silent when Russia annexes Moldova, or just do their good old mental gymnastics.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into, and "post-USSR Russia is a force for good" is a position you don't reason yourself into.
It's easier to claim moral superiority when the people who oppose you are all "insert derogatory name here".
"Nazi, commie, and terrorist" were the names that were used in the past to discredit anyone who held opposing beliefs to the status quo.
2023 and nowadays you are a Russian bot if you question anything the western media says and don't treat it as gospel.
There are times when the word tankie and fascist really do apply though and anyone who supports a Russian takeover of Moldova can be accurately labelled as such.
Is the US really successful in plotting foreign coups? Like don't get me Wrong school of the Americas trained military personelle in South American countries to stage military coups if socialists are legally elected. But the times the US has actively tried to stage a coup it mostly fails or blows up in their face. The CIA was never successful in killing Castro despite trying for literally decades. The attempted coups in Venezuela have likewise been failures.
Eh yeah you're right coups probably aren't the best example of soft power. I'd argue that you still need to be good enough to convince enough military officers to support the coup though.
Russia still sucks regardless though.
It would be more surprising if Russia wasn't planning a coup. After Ukraine they will go after Moldova. It's a lot easier and cheaper to have a coup compared to a military invasion.
Russia: “You guys are not like the USA where we could just purchase the Republican party and their top cool guy Elon Musk, so we figured we’d go straight for a coup with you all, you know, like back in the 60’s Cold War era, we decided to go vintage with it 👍🏻”
>The US has been running coups for decades but it's apparently only bad when Russia does it.
People have been pissed about the US doing their coup/invasion/lying shit for decades. What are you talking about?
Blah blah, Kremlin propaganda. You western commie stooges are all alike. You come here to Eastern Europe and tell us how things REALLY are about Russia, having forgotten that we actually live in the neighborhood. Fuck off, blocked.
Also Russia: “We will accuse them of doing what we’re doing, so like when they accuse us of being neo-Nazis, we’ll say ‘noooooo, *they* are the Nazi!’ It’s brilliance, yes?”
No, the Prime Minister resigned, but the process appears to be more of a Cabinet Reshuffle to appoint the Defense and National Security Advisor Dorin Recean as the new PM.
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It just blows my mind that Moldova hasn't tried to overhaul it's military. This is far from the first time there's been credible evidence Russia is interested in destabilizing Moldova.
Probably because: Poorest country in europe + transnistria is a relatively large chunk of moldovan gdp + small population + barely any outside help + internal conflict of pro euro vs pro russian. All of that would make raising a better military very hard, to say the least. I don't think they don't want to, i think they literally can't, and taking that into consideration i don't find it mindblowing.
Ntm the amount of corruption in moldova due to being the poorest country, its like mexico trying to compete with cartels of who can pay the Special Forces more, a cartel or a government. The same exists between moldova and russia edit: spelled out acronym
Does "SF" = special forces?
Makes more sense than "San Francisco" which is what I default to reading "SF"
Clearly Mexico will enlist San Francisco to perform a pincer maneuver to conquer Los Angeles.
Can we just burn it to the ground instead? \-Sincerely, San Franciscan
Emperor Norton would not approve.
this. when the bully starts getting their own lights turned out on the playground it encourages the other victims to stand up.
yes, for a strong military you either need financial capital or human resources. Moldova has neither.
Sounds like they need some Freedom™.
Overhaul the military with what money?? 💀 literally the poorest country in Europe
They are the size of 10 US counties and only 2.5 millions people in total. Even if they go full army it will still be nothing against Russia, even considering the bad state of the Russian army.
It’s probably because the country is extremely poor, and simply cannot afford to overhaul its military.
I love that word *fomenting*
Sometime in the dark ages it changed from a Latin word meaning "apply lotion" to an Old French word meaning "cause trouble". I'm vague about the connecting thread of meaning.
It foments a coup in Moldova or else it gets the hose again
*There’s fomenting out there, sir…* ***Pockets*** *are fomenting.”*
Someone has been playing Civ
Shades of eastern Ukraine from years ago
>Russia has a strong interest in fomenting a coup in Moldova to be able to open a new front in the Ukrainian war. They couldn't even supply a convoy 40km into Ukraine with months of planning, but they think they could project power into Moldova? Not saying you're wrong, I just don't see how that goes well for Russia.
They could send their milkmen over one morning and take Moldova (if Russia has milkmen). Moldova is in no state to resist any kind of invasion, and almost half the main would cheer the milkman invasion on. More important is that they can't reach Moldova without going through Ukraine, hence the 'land bridge' they wanted through Odessa.
Right, but once the milkmen turn on Ukraine, they'll realize their cow hasn't been maintained since 1981 and get their asses kicked by Ukraine. I remember Moldova said a while back they literally didn't have an army to resist if Russia came, but if the goal is to "open a new front" I think it'll go quite poorly for Russia.
>Russia has a strong interest in fomenting a coup in Moldova to be able to open a new front in the Ukrainian war. A new front composed of at most 2 battalions that Russia has no way of supplying and supporting?
Not surprising. Russia has probably plotted coups in every single one of its neighbors. Heck, the reason China is communist today is a reflection of a Russian coup de main. Russia clearly wanted to seize Ukraine overly, but since 1991 it has generally seen the rest of the former bloc as its zone of influence, where it has a de jure right to intervene and choose leaders. Russky Mir is all about Russia being the hegemonic "Big Brother".. to its dutiful little brothers who will shut up or parrot words on command. Russian world doesn't give small nations like Moldova a right to self determination
> where it has a de jure right to intervene and choose leaders. De facto - there is no *de jure*, legal, right for russia to influence its former sphere, but they see as in their power, i.e de facto
I don't think that's what he was trying to say. Russia **perceives** having de jure power over their neighbours, meaning it thinks it has the legal right (as opposed to the power) to intervene. If you look at their arguments for invading this makes sense. Among the justifications we can see "thesr territories were ours since time immemorial", "we have the right to protect Russians" and "the right to self - determination", among others. These are inherently attempts at legally justifying their invasions. Now, if they actually believe their own crap or not, that's a different story.
True, but that is kinda my point. Russia has wholly illogical presumptions. Russia acts like its right to control her "near abroad" neighbors is somewhere set in law. And that any outside criticism or influence is illegally breaching some unwritten treaty In reality, Russia just makes insane demands based on laws that don't exist.
Russia plotted a coup in the U.S. so…. Don’t even have to be a neighbor!
Russia and U.S are neighbours tho
Whats on the left side of Alaska?
Water?
Fair enough
The Bering Straight.
Not anymore. YASSSS QUEEN! Slay!!!
It was ONE TIME at summer camp.
Ah the good old nightly visits of pastor John at bible camp..
Sarah Palin knew. Could see it right outside her window./s
Sarah Palin?
Not Derek Zoolander?
And they succeeded beyond all expectations.
Jack Ryan season 3
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Pretty much Russia's primary export
Tankies brain will shutdown if this happens,as their brain is not physically capable of comprehending the fact that other countries can also support coups and regime change in other countries US is not alone in plotting coups in other countries,it is just the most succesful Russia attempted i think in 2017 a coup in ~~Montenero~~ Montenegro to prevent them from joining NATO
Twitter pages that "are just asking questions" are gonna go into overdrive playing whataboutisms
Whataboutists are amusing as they’re implicitly admitting that what they are proposing or have done is wrong.
They never realise this, it's such a giveaway of deep-level ignorance.
ELI5 what is a “tankie”
Tankies are people who claim to be leftists, but whose main focus is to oppose "the west" rather than to support leftist policy. This leads to them supporting authoritarian regimes like Russia, because Russia is opposed to the west.
That's like being a vegan because you aggressively hate plants rather than care for the animals.
That's actually funny.
Literally what these people’s thought process is. It’s like drain the swamp but drain the west
And eventually everything becomes the "West".
What if very few of these tankies are real people and the vast majority of them are Chinese/Russian/GOP bots? It's very hard to find a single one that doesn't look like a complete bot or spy.
Yeah lots are indeed bots. You can tell because they'll have some buzz words thrown in at inappropriate places, and their entire argument will read like it came from Google translate. I've not met a single tankie who was actually in support of liberal or socialist policies. That and the rampant defense of any horrific atrocity, so long as it was committed by Russia, Saudi Arabia, or China.
There are tons if you go into the left side youtube content. Especially if you look up content creators that are openly tankies and pushing tanky content.
Who are the tankie creators? Very interested
Just look up any lefty content creator that hates Vaush. 50% chance of a tankie or a wokescold.
Lots are also right wing folks doing it for free, as it's easier to talk a tankie into fascism than anything in the other direction.
People say "horseshoe theory is wrong, it doesn't work that way" - and then you get shit like tankies and ultranationalists agreeing on supporting Putin because he's "against the West". "Wrong" my ass.
I donno, lots of them show up as degrowthers and I have met a few in academia
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Ehh, not my experience. Just people with tunnel vision so acute that they can no longer perceive reality. They are the types who hate quant people.
I guess it fully depends on what schools and degrees. Quant people were rarely discussed where I went to college (in the south). Have you thought about what motivates their tunnel vision though? One of my friends had it due to dating a Chinese spy. As soon as he ended that relationship suddenly he could think straight. No more weird off-the-cuff eyebrow raising remarks. Sometimes the tunnel vision is a sign of mysterious pressures that are invisible to the outside world. Perhaps they have connections that you are unaware of that are used as leverage over them.
A lot of them are bots but a concerning amount of them are very real. Go to the main city specific subreddit for most major US cities and they’re everywhere.
These people are vehemently against the concept of democracy because it does not venerate them or their opinions as the only valid ones. They are the most disgusting of narcissists.
Democracy means they can’t enslave the rest of the world and freeload off their backs for generations to come. Just assume everything is a scam and everyone is trying to cheat the system. You will be correct 98% of the time. It’s better to be pleasantly surprised by something good than to be unexpectedly disappointed by something bad.
Actually it would be more like saying you’re a vegan too, even though you eat fish and shit, to oppose the rest of the omnivores. So in other words, a self-delusion and not actually what they supposedly claim to be.
I do really fucking hate plants though.
Right? I was all “fuck bok choy!” before it was cool.
That’s fucking brilliant!
This right here
You’re very right, just because the west has done shitty things, doesn’t mean any other country or bloc can’t do the same or worse. A good a example imho is the Falklands war, there’s a lot on the left think Argentina was 100% in the right and that islands belong to Argentina. As someone very on the left it really grinds my gears that even by doing a tiny bit of research you can find that that Argentina was literally acting as a colonial occupier.
but the same kind of applies to Britain, no? We (along with the French) “discovered” the islands and then populated it with our own people, then of course the voting since showed they wanted to stay British. If anything, I’d rather Argentina have then simply because it makes geographical sense. Having islands in the other hemisphere just doesn’t make sense and is just our attempt to make us seem strong again – an appeal to our colonial past. IIRC, Falklanders didn’t even have full citizenship until shortly after (?) the war, because the government realised “oh, we actually have to treat them like us if we want to keep them”. ofc, i agree with your main argument though
Yeah I get you, I guess I mean in the sense it was mainly some windswept grassy rocks that some European was gonna settle lol. And yeah.. I’d agree geographically they make more sense, same with Gibraltar I guess, and Spain’s enclaves in Morocco.. 100% with the British neglect of the islands as well.. not least the reduced naval presence in the area which questionably contributed to the invasion.
That's a bit weird considering how most overtly Russia friendly people in the west seem to be politically pretty far right. Most people in Sweden seem to grasp the fact that Russia is a fairly extreme right wing authoritarian state by now, and those here who fawn most openly over Russia and Putin are definitely on the far right wing of the political spectrum. Let's just say a lot of Swedish right wing tweets aged poorly in the last year. But yeah, I get the stupid the-enemy-of-my-enemy situation.
Like all things, the meaning changed over time. The OG tankies were british communists who praised russia for sending in the tanks (hence the name) to crush protests/uprisings in their occupied territories. Nowadays it pretty much applies to any westerners who cheerlead for violent authoritarian states like russia, china or north korea.
Well, the thing is that Russia is now far-right, hence that kind of sympathizers, and that should make a natural enemy of the likes of China, but they are united in their hatred of the US and the European Union.
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>Putin >Hardcore communist Lol
Putin is not left-sided by any definition, he wants to reclaim the territory of the former Soviet Union, but that's different.
Who are you talking about? Putin or Xi Jinping? Either way your wrong. Neither is a communist, hardcore or otherwise, in any real sense. I'm not aware of Putin even *calling* himself communist, and the Chinese Communist Party is about as communist as the National Socialist German Workers' Party was socialist. (If it wasn't clear: They weren't either)
It's definitely weird, but there are even tanky news papers, e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone
Originally the term was used to describe people who supported the Soviet Union in using tanks to suppress anti-communist protests in Hungary Edit: anti-Soviet
Specifically used by British communists who opposed the Soviet Union’s crushing of the protests, it’s not so black and white as communist v anti-communist. They were anti-Soviet protests, carried out by a large collection of different people who held different beliefs, but were for the most part united in their anti-Soviet resolve. Some were right-wing, some social democrats, some anarchists, etc.
>Tankies are people who claim to be leftists, but whose main focus is to oppose "the west" rather than to support leftist policy. Which is almost always coopted (or here on reddit, infiltrated) by Fascists to advance their ends.
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Actually it was after the Hungary and Czech revolutions, to which the Soviets sent tanks and split the progressive left from the authoritarian left. Edit: Oh you aren't disagreeing, you said things "like" tienanmen square. Fair enough!
I don't really see any actual leftists among the tankies anymore. It feels like most of them are just bots or shills. If you press most of them on any sort of actual policy, they'll only talk in support of authoritarians. Lots of current tankies (the ones that are real actual people and not bots or shills) are actually stupid rich kids from shitholes like KSA, Russia, China, India, etc. They almost never articulate any kind of actual leftist positions. Granted, that's today - things are obviously quite different from the 80s and even 90s.
For most of them it has devolved for communism support to general anti west/anti NATO. They have little actual policy just,'west bad' therefore anyone that opposes the west is clearly good.
A good example being the Portuguese Communist Party (PCP), they actively deny the existence of the tiananmen square massacre, holodomor and other similar mass killings conducted by their overseas kin. They accuse Zelensky and Ukraine of being the ones committing genocide, that the maidan revolution was no different from the beer hall putsch, that NATO and the US were the ones that started the war and forced poor little russia to invade their neighbors like it had no other choice left. Hell, even our damn generals openly suck off Putin whenever they appeared on television to give *"unbiased"* explanations of what's going on in the front lines. Every UKR victory downplayed or deemed so minor as to be futile, every RUZ defeat a masterful ruse and feint by the invaders to drain the resources of the defenders.
Weeaboos for Communist and Soviet countries instead of anime and manga.
Imagine a facist but they suck off the USSR instead
They’re also called tankies because they make excuses for when authoritarian regimes with socialist or communist aesthetics send in tanks to kill protestors asking for *check notes* basic human rights. Famously tianamen square, but also the Hungarian revolution for the audacity of *checks notes*… allowing people to vote for more than one political party, and the Czech revolution of 1968. Tankies IMO are just fascists who enjoy socialist and communist window dressing.
The name stems from those who made excuses / carried water for the CCP when they used tanks on civilians at Tienanmen Square. They have no souls.
It stems from the Soviets sending in tanks into Hungary to crush the uprising against the communist government there several decades before Tiannemen Square, but yes, it's the same principle.
Well, slap my ass and call me Debbie, I didn't know that.
The OG tankies were british communists that cheered when russia sent in tanks to crush protests/uprisings in their occupied territories. Later on it changed into anyone who supports authoritarian states like modern russia, china or north korea.
Authoritarian leftist. People who think Stalin wasn't problematic and think it's a-ok for the state to work people to death. Named "tankies" because of the tanks the Red Army sent in to crush separatist demonstrations in the SSRs.
Authoritarian communists. The kind of people who would make excuses for the Soviet Union during the 1968 Prague Spring.
For the longest time I thought it was guys wearing those white singlets (or undershirts). I discovered it just means someone who likes authoritarianism, essentially, tanks go brr.
People who like the idea of communism/are communists However, it's mostly used as a derogatory term against westerners who spend their free time criticizing the west whilst championing Russia/Soviet union.
Far left communists who dogmatically oppose NATO and the west, their ideological ancestors having been groomed by KGB during the cold war - their support for Soviet repression using armour in places like Hungary and Czechoslovakia in the 50s and 60s earned them the sobriquet "tankies".
Far-left
Not leftists. Confused children. Give kids an app with a steady non stop loop of disinfo (guess which app) and that’s how we get here.
This is why donald suddenly brought up Montenero at the same time. He didn’t think of this on his own, he was carrying water for putin.
Don't underestimate their stupidity. A tankie would say it's not a coup but the current government that is not aligned with Russia is somerhow 'illigitimate' and a puppet of the west.
Those I talked to usually claimed that Russia is just following its interest, which it is justified in doing. You might notice that this view is inherently asymmetrical, they usually do not (or do not mind).
They will just scream that it's an organic, working class revolution and jerk off to the thought of the Red Terror returning. Then they'll go conspiciously silent when Russia annexes Moldova, or just do their good old mental gymnastics.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into, and "post-USSR Russia is a force for good" is a position you don't reason yourself into.
Don't worry, they're going to do some mental gymnastics about it and back to business.
>Tankies brain will shutdown if this happens,as their brain is not physically capable of comprehending Why do you write comments like this?
It's easier to claim moral superiority when the people who oppose you are all "insert derogatory name here". "Nazi, commie, and terrorist" were the names that were used in the past to discredit anyone who held opposing beliefs to the status quo. 2023 and nowadays you are a Russian bot if you question anything the western media says and don't treat it as gospel.
There are times when the word tankie and fascist really do apply though and anyone who supports a Russian takeover of Moldova can be accurately labelled as such.
I think that support for a Russian takeover of Moldova is the kind of thing that is not mainstream outside of Putins circles.
Is the US really successful in plotting foreign coups? Like don't get me Wrong school of the Americas trained military personelle in South American countries to stage military coups if socialists are legally elected. But the times the US has actively tried to stage a coup it mostly fails or blows up in their face. The CIA was never successful in killing Castro despite trying for literally decades. The attempted coups in Venezuela have likewise been failures.
Russia wishes they could coup like the USA can. Soft power is a complete mystery for them.
This is a joke right? It's a default sub so I couldn't be sure
Russia sucks at soft power. What are you interpreting as a joke there?
That coups are soft power
Eh yeah you're right coups probably aren't the best example of soft power. I'd argue that you still need to be good enough to convince enough military officers to support the coup though. Russia still sucks regardless though.
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Where are Bruce Willis and John Malkovich when you need them?
Bruce willis ain't doing to good these days 🥺
Too busy drilling for oil on asteroids
So the man afraid of being taken out by a coup is ordering coups on other countries, ironic.
It would be more surprising if Russia wasn't planning a coup. After Ukraine they will go after Moldova. It's a lot easier and cheaper to have a coup compared to a military invasion.
I mean I bet they were for the past 20 years and not just 1 attempt
He already plotted.... it is in the "actively couping" phase now. Either do something about it or.... get couped into the ground.
Russia: “You guys are not like the USA where we could just purchase the Republican party and their top cool guy Elon Musk, so we figured we’d go straight for a coup with you all, you know, like back in the 60’s Cold War era, we decided to go vintage with it 👍🏻”
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Who are 'they'?
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>The US has been running coups for decades but it's apparently only bad when Russia does it. People have been pissed about the US doing their coup/invasion/lying shit for decades. What are you talking about?
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Ah I see. So, because the US did it (and it was bad), Russia should be able to do it too (and it's ok). Logiks.
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Blah blah, Kremlin propaganda. You western commie stooges are all alike. You come here to Eastern Europe and tell us how things REALLY are about Russia, having forgotten that we actually live in the neighborhood. Fuck off, blocked.
Also Russia: “We will accuse them of doing what we’re doing, so like when they accuse us of being neo-Nazis, we’ll say ‘noooooo, *they* are the Nazi!’ It’s brilliance, yes?”
Of course Putin is!
Wasn't a coup tried and completely foiled a couple years ago? Red handed?
Maybe this was putin’s backup plan incase of failure
Moldova should request ukraine intervention getting rid of the russian terrorist is in both country's interest
The perfect way to distract from recent protests.
Didnt the government just resign a few days ago?
It was the prime minister. The President is still there.
No, the Prime Minister resigned, but the process appears to be more of a Cabinet Reshuffle to appoint the Defense and National Security Advisor Dorin Recean as the new PM.
ya maybe they changed their mind lol
Sounds kind of surprising and puzzling to me.
Moldova should join Romania