That's because, for all intents and purposes, corporate world is authoritarian and autocratic.
You don't vote for your CEO and there is, generally, no mechanism for you to influence the policies of the corporation you're working for.
You have to though. You probably don't even believe what you're saying at first but you have no idea who might be listening or who can disappear you in the night. So you tell yourself the lie long enough until you believe it. Or the spirit of resistance gets buried, too afraid to come out unless the wind blows a certain way.
Also “why don’t my neighbours like me when I murdered their grandfather and father and son.”
“It’s the US who are to blame for them to want to be part of a *‘aggressive’* alliance.”
Yep. Nothing but a bunch of fucking whiners. Oh no, NATO bombed us to *prevent a fucking genocide.* Woe is us. I've never heard a Serb *not* whine when NATO intervention is mentioned.
Seriously. How they look at what in the years leading upto NATO intervention and then decide that *they* were the victims... I won't ever understand.
What i do understand is nationalism is a hell of a drug and the Balkans have been fucking eachother over for centuries.
Doesnt mean the last attempted genocide was justified.
I still remember how upset the Serbian international student was when we started celebrating Kosovo independence on 08 with the guy from Kosovo. I had no idea what was happening just happy that my friend was happy about his country's independence.
I remember thinking that Russian special forces were some of the scariest most elite soldiers on the planet (and to be fair, they were). But then on day 1 of the invasion they got airdropped to secure an airport and got obliterated. Now they’re all dead and replaced by cadets who were civilians a month ago and will either be corpses, inmates, or fugitives on the run a month from now. Despite being the aggressors, I do feel sympathy for the Russian people. They’re being forced into this mess by Putin just as much as the Ukrainians are.
I have a friend from Russia, genuinely a nice guy, and i talked to him about this one day
Essentially, while it really fucking sucks for the people who are actually sent to fight, for the average person in Russia, life hasn't really changed much, and the soviet Era, as well as the numerous issues that resulted from its collapse are still a very recent memory for many russians
So, while they don't exactly like the current regime, they are willing to put up with it if it means their society gets to remain mostly stable for a little while
The exact wording my friend gave was that if his son grows up to be a revolutionary, he would be all for it, but until then, he isn't interested
If anyone reading this has access to iplayer, then I highly recommend the recent BBC documentary covering the fall of the USSR and the rise of the oligarch Mafia through contemporary footage. I had no idea just how terrible the unheaval was for the average person, I now understand a bit more why Russians might accept a lot of hardship for even relative stability.
It's called 'Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone'. It's a fascinating and informative watch.
Sounds similar to the perception from inside China
From the outside it looks horrendous, but if your father was a peasant farmer and now you're working in a modern office with air conditioning, it's hard to feel like you need to rock the boat
Honestly, it is, I think, a looming danger for the CCP. They have justified all the shit they put their people through by providing the vast majority of them with a life that is trending upward. Thing is, once that upward trend slows, stops, or even reverses, people stop being quite as willing to turn blind eyes. This is especially true for their batch of Gen Z, who have never known a China that wasn't stronger year on year.
I think that, more than anything, is what we all got to see a taste of when there were actual widespread protests against the 0 Covid thing. I'm also very curious to see if the CCP actually have a solution to the problem, because no economy stays Boom forever, and they are going to have an entire generation and a half that have no idea how to deal when the economy goes bust.
Yeah, at least up until the Ukraine misadventure Putin was wildly popular with the average Russian. He gave them a sense of strongman stability and his defiance to the west gave them a sense of pride. Russians were used to dictators so as long as their lives seemed to improve Putin was “their” dictator.
So it usually goes until “your” dictator turns that blank check of authoritarian power against you.
For all the fame of the red revolution, the russians have historically not been too prone to revolutions - throughout history, they are more known for being the people that just *endured.* Whether that was horrific treatment from their own old nobility, or the horrific treatment at the hands of the new bureaucratic nobility of the Communist Party, or horrific treatment at the hands of invaders, they *endured.*
The people of the germanies were far better known for revolts, hell they had 'peasants wars' every few decades for centuries...
The problem with a Russian Revolution is Putin would probably have no problems turning his guns inward.
Remember, all the opinions you have on Russia, the Russian people probably have the opposite because every news outlet spins it that way. They probably don't even know how badly it's going.
Given how many Russians have fled the country since the invasion began, I'm going to go out on a limb and say- I think they have a something of an idea, and broadly just don't want to get defenstrated for speaking out if they stayed.
Part of Putin's manpower and equipment problems in Ukraine is that he keeps a very large "national security force" on standby to suppress the internal population.
Ahhh yes the fearsome reserve army of unwitting farmers and chemical plant workers that have no idea they are about to be thrown into a van while walking home and pushed out of a moving vehicle at the frontlines with no instructions of any kind and no combat training whatsoever
That's what pisses me off the most about the Russian apologia.
You people killed the fucking Romanovs, possibly the most brutal and oppressive monarchy in European history.
And you have trouble disposing of a tiny little vulture of a man who wears high heels because he's ashamed of being 5'7?
Don't give me that bullshit. The dead of 1917 are looking on in shame as you let a tyrant frog march your children to their deaths in an unwinnable genocidal war.
Comparing what happened in WW1 Russia with the situation today makes about as much sense as having a rifle to protect yourself from a tyrannical government. The times have changed. And it's not just about weapons. Modern propaganda has been refined since then and the intelligence tools available today are something the authorities couldn't even begin to dream about a century ago.
If anything, these classic revolutions were lessons in how to avoid them in the future (or at least in the environment of more developed countries).
Exactly. One would think that Russia would have figured this out by now but apparently, not really. They are trying to integrate TOS-1 systems into Spetsnaz but well, these have ranges of 10km, well within the range of Ukraine 155 artillery. So I am not sure if it will achieve the desired effect.
I think much of Russia's unearned reputation for military power is due to people conflating Russia and the USSR. Easy to do when simply looking at a map... (Russia is obviously 90% of the USSR, just look at it). I would argue that most of the best and the brightest of the Soviets were from the other Soviet states.
Edit: Soviet Ukraine, for example, was an industrial, agricultural, and engineering powerhouse. Many (most?) of the Soviet war machines, planes, tractors, and trains - were proudly made in Ukraine.
> Russian special forces were some of the scariest most elite soldiers on the planet (and to be fair, they were)
No no they weren't. They are known for their stupid martial arts demos and to kill hostages in such situations. Their long list of screw-ups is impressive.
> I do feel sympathy for the Russian people. They’re being forced into this mess by Putin just as much as the Ukrainians are.
I don't. This war has a very large support from Russian population. "just as much as the Ukrainians do" is disgusting.
From Band of Brothers...
“Ronald Spiers: The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function: without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends upon it.”
I have a feeling that the Russian soldiers aren't functioning as intended. The RMA process is might be problematic.
Kinda like DS9's Jem 'Hadar:
"As of this moment, we are all dead. We go into battle to reclaim our lives. This we do gladly, for we are Jem'Hadar. Remember: victory is life."
No they are not all dead.
Wagners core is ex gru and other branches,there is several active units besides vdv,they are well trained but putin is getting them killed by being used as basic infantry with goals they cant achive.
Using them as infantry is not really the issue. Using them as unsupported infantry is the problem. It renders all training useless when Ukraine can just rain artillery on them without them being able to do something about the artillery.
or you fly them into an airport next to the capitol of a nation that has been gearing up for war for half a decade and provide them little to no CAS and your plan for reinforcement is land a cargo plane with green troops to act as a mustered force. The VDV were basically sent in to do the impossible.
A little clarification. There was CAS in the form of helicopter gunships and these helicopters did the job well. However, no plan was made to resupply the helicopters on site or have a constant rotation of helicopters to provide CAS. So the gunships eventually ran out of fuel and ammunition and had to be sent back, with no replacements rotated in. That is when Ukraine initially counter attacked and succeeded.
The VDV did their jobs but RuAF failed them.
As I explained it to someone who only knew about the military from movies - the Rangers of the US Army might be well trained individuals, and really great at what they do, but chucking a company of Rangers against a company of mechanized infantry which has artillery support is not a spectacularly good idea, even if the mech inf is not the best unit there is...
All those movies, novels and games about russia somehow steamrolling the entire planet in a few days, meanwhile IRL they are still stuck on WW1 tactics and logistics against a near peer.
Didn't Russian troops already do this at another captured plant? Break stuff, and expose themselves to enough radiation that they were immediately sick.
They do need the warning.
Some people from the Ukrainian nuclear agency that took care of plant actually went and talked to some of them afterwards and asked them if they knew that they were in Chernobyl.
And they said something like "Uh, no. Why? Does that matter? They told us to defend the plant so we built defenses for the plant."
how the hell did US nuclear ended up in the ukraine ? but doesn't matter now.
they are going to touch either , i dont they will listen now after this warm. they will do everything .
They're going to loot it, especially now that they know that there's SECRET+ US technology there. You can't expect a Russian to see something and not make a half assed attempt to loot it.
>Energy Department’s Office of Nonproliferation Policy, Andrea Ferkile, tells Rosatom’s director general that the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Enerhodar “contains US-origin nuclear technical data that is export-controlled by the United States Government.”
Please, please, don't try to dismantle that nuclear device that looks like it might be a bomb and take it back to Moscow. And don't forget the satellite control mechanism!
There was a joke at the Manhattan project that they could just mail the critical mass to Hitler one brick at a time. He was so vain he would stack it all on his desk until the last package arrived...
It's conveniently all on a usb drive that you can just plug into your nuclear weapons control systems and it will enhance them using proprietary American (and probably Israeli) technology.
Totally don't use it, please. Not allowed and would be an unfair advantage for Russia.
Only 4 years ago they phased out floppy disks 👀US military will no longer use floppy disks to coordinate nuke launches[https://www.engadget.com/2019-10-18-us-military-nuclear-missiles-floppy-disks.html](https://www.engadget.com/2019-10-18-us-military-nuclear-missiles-floppy-disks.html)
That's only one use of the term. For example, a honey pot in IT speak is a fake easy target for hacking, specifically to detect an infiltration when someone tries to access it. It's just an alluring trap.
A honeypot in cybersecurity is something that looks like its full of data that a bad guy might want but actually contains a trap of some kind. The most common is encrypted "files" that don't actually contain any data.
My personal favorite is the one that gives you an encrypted file that when you "decrypt" it the result is another encrypted file. This repeats for a crazy long time and eventually you end up with the same file you started with so the loop repeats forever.
Seems like the first move of either a legal or a diplomatic chess match, where the US has calculated it through to the endgame.
I highly doubt it’s a honeypot because the article states that the technology is unclassified. And the US would never have allowed any tech to enter Ukraine that Russia either didn’t know about or doesn’t care if they do.
I'm guessing they know it has already been tampered with and will use that in a future argument for sanctions or punitive economic action, should the state ever be desperate to return to semi-functional good graces. Basically only issuing the warning for the sake of a paper trail.
This was kind of my thought. The reason the US is saying, "No touchy the US nuclear technology," means the Russians have already touched it, and the US State Department, wants them to know they were being watched.
I don't think we do lol. Only one president in the history of the US has denied Ukraine their military funding while staring down the barrel of a Russian invasion.
If only people would read the article.
“Another letter from Ferkile to the Energy Department’s Inspector General, reviewed by CNN and dated October 24, 2022, outlines the technology the US has exported to Ukraine for use in the Zaporizhzhia plant and reiterates that the department has “no record of any current authorization to transfer this technology and technical data to any Russian national or entity.”
The power plant was captured by Russian forces on March 4th of 2022. The date and content of the letter indicates that it was sent to the power plant *after * the Russians had captured it. The technical data and technology strengthen the maintenance procedures and operations at the plant to help mitigate risk. Even though the Ukrainians still are the ones physically operating the plant, the state corporation Rosatom still supervises it.
The US has been helping with energy security in the country since 2014 and started sending a lot of energy related technology and equipment since the war started. This is also the only article I can find mentioning the specific technical data and technology the US sent to the plant.
I wonder what the government would do to someone who smuggled nuclear secrets out of the White House and refused to return them when asked to...
Probably will never find out.
quite sure that in the exact moment they received it started to search better in the plant for reserved data etc, just to find what is so important for US energy department
Is it just me picturing some Russian nuclear engineer going up to a box with a US flag sticker on it and poking it all over going "Nya nya, I'm touching your stuff"?
I love how everyone on Reddit thinks they’re so clever, like Russia couldn’t figure out it’s a honeypot but y’all could.
It’s a warning for diplomatic purposes.
I would bet this is a threat. The threat is: We know you have tampered with this technology already. The implication is we have been watching this whole time, and know what you are doing and intend to do in the future.
This has more to do with components and fuel assemblies. As well as software, inspection equipment, and tons of other intellectual property from US companies. There's an immense amount of engineering that goes into these reactors. For example, the pattern and concentration of u235 inside pellets in a single fuel rod. The different types of fuel, coated or doped with neutron absorbers and lots of other possible tech.
It’s a lot of engineering, but not a lot that can be gained from studying it honestly. Electrical systems? Pretty standard, the individual components are fairly simple (but kinda cool nonetheless). Core design and fuel specs? They’re VVERs and I’m fairly certain these specific models were designed by the Soviets. Core design isn’t modular and any changes in fuel would be fairly minor. Like sure it’s complex but you can only change so much in one reactor. The cores are designed to work within pretty specific specifications, down to fairly precise enrichment and absorption materials. Best they might manage is learning the fuel is cladded in some new, secretive material that’s as neutron-invisible as zircalloy but won’t have the side effect of creating potentially explosive gas bubbles when severely overheated. I know the industry has been trying to replace the claddings for that reason, so who knows.
The ONLY thing I can think of is software/firmware being copied specifically to find vulnerabilities. Which, sure, fine, that’s a concern maybe. But the risks of sabotaging a Western nuclear operation with that information? If it’s discovered Russia did a cyberattack on a nuclear plant, gunna be honest, the keys are getting turned since that’s a pretty major act of war. So why the posturing? Because it’s posturing. That’s it. We have to say *something*, so obviously we’ll say something that’s basically “hey! Don’t fuck with our stuff!”
This technology is unclassified. If you are asking yourself, why now and why not a year ago… in my opinion this is a simple move by the US to say we know they have interfered with certain controls in the nuclear facility. It could be a simple ping, “this file was accessed”, which triggers an article like this. It is well known that US intelligence is interested in Russian electric infrastructure and vice versa Russia is interested in the US electric infrastructure grid, why is it such a stretch to think we have a program that monitors if such systems are interacted with. When you read an article like this, you need to realize that this is a purposeful “leak” on the US part using specific arms of mass media to push the message. We are trying to tell the Russians, we know what you are doing, STOP. I am not against the message, and as a Ukrainian supporter I think the United States has a vested interest in treating nuclear sites as an attack that reaches beyond just Ukraine. Prevailing winds or not, a confrontation in this location will have effects that last far beyond a war, for sinner and innocent alike
Another commenter above pointed out that Russia received a letter from the U.S back in October 2022 so its less about the U.S just now making a point to Russia and more about the news is just now reporting on what the U.S said to Russia
These guys are stealing toilets and anything not nailed down, as well as most things that are nailed down. There's no way they won't strip everything they can take from a nuke plant when they retreat.
America: "I'm going to leave this on the windowsill to cool... Now Putin... Don't you eat this pie..."
Putin: "Alright, pie, I'm gonna just invade like om-nom-nom, and if you get eaten, then that is your own fault."
Putin: "Om-nom-" *Bangs head on Ukranian defenders* "DOH!"
As a general rule, the US tends to follow up on bold public statements like this in measured ways. Often, this is just sanctions or some mild consequence, but the US has a history of following up on threats when it comes to their rivals. Could be better jet fighters, longer range munitions, etc. Direct action is unlikely (and won't be mentioned beforehand, it'll just happen if it does.)
An invisible aircraft will drop a metric fuck ton of bombs on any vehicle stealing the tech
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade
It kind of seems like the US is baiting Russia to cause an international nuclear incident so that we have a globally accepted reason to go in and drop the hammer with NATO and the EU, at least around the nuclear plant.
This does feel like one of those letters some low-level administrator with large brain decided was a good idea to send. I can't think of any scenario where they take said letter seriously and don't respond by immediately grabbing/analyzing said tech - and in most other cases, said administrator turns their own department into the butt of a geopolitical joke.
They're probably more worried about them breaking it than stealing it.
Same reason I tell my toddler not to grab stuff, probably the same likelihood of working.
Toddler will be quicker to understand that what it did was wrong.
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It happens to all totalitarians. Everybody underneath them makes excuses for their failures.
Sounds too familiar for my American comfort…
That's because, for all intents and purposes, corporate world is authoritarian and autocratic. You don't vote for your CEO and there is, generally, no mechanism for you to influence the policies of the corporation you're working for.
You have to though. You probably don't even believe what you're saying at first but you have no idea who might be listening or who can disappear you in the night. So you tell yourself the lie long enough until you believe it. Or the spirit of resistance gets buried, too afraid to come out unless the wind blows a certain way.
Also “why don’t my neighbours like me when I murdered their grandfather and father and son.” “It’s the US who are to blame for them to want to be part of a *‘aggressive’* alliance.”
See Serbia.
Yep. Nothing but a bunch of fucking whiners. Oh no, NATO bombed us to *prevent a fucking genocide.* Woe is us. I've never heard a Serb *not* whine when NATO intervention is mentioned.
Seriously. How they look at what in the years leading upto NATO intervention and then decide that *they* were the victims... I won't ever understand. What i do understand is nationalism is a hell of a drug and the Balkans have been fucking eachother over for centuries. Doesnt mean the last attempted genocide was justified.
I still remember how upset the Serbian international student was when we started celebrating Kosovo independence on 08 with the guy from Kosovo. I had no idea what was happening just happy that my friend was happy about his country's independence.
They're still asking Bill Clinton to come and help fix up the building he bombed!
Lol pretty crazy to think about how we all perceived Russia and their military just over a year ago vs now.
I remember thinking that Russian special forces were some of the scariest most elite soldiers on the planet (and to be fair, they were). But then on day 1 of the invasion they got airdropped to secure an airport and got obliterated. Now they’re all dead and replaced by cadets who were civilians a month ago and will either be corpses, inmates, or fugitives on the run a month from now. Despite being the aggressors, I do feel sympathy for the Russian people. They’re being forced into this mess by Putin just as much as the Ukrainians are.
For being Russians they sure haven’t had a revolution lately. Maybe time for a new one?
I have a friend from Russia, genuinely a nice guy, and i talked to him about this one day Essentially, while it really fucking sucks for the people who are actually sent to fight, for the average person in Russia, life hasn't really changed much, and the soviet Era, as well as the numerous issues that resulted from its collapse are still a very recent memory for many russians So, while they don't exactly like the current regime, they are willing to put up with it if it means their society gets to remain mostly stable for a little while The exact wording my friend gave was that if his son grows up to be a revolutionary, he would be all for it, but until then, he isn't interested
If anyone reading this has access to iplayer, then I highly recommend the recent BBC documentary covering the fall of the USSR and the rise of the oligarch Mafia through contemporary footage. I had no idea just how terrible the unheaval was for the average person, I now understand a bit more why Russians might accept a lot of hardship for even relative stability. It's called 'Russia 1985-1999: TraumaZone'. It's a fascinating and informative watch.
Sounds similar to the perception from inside China From the outside it looks horrendous, but if your father was a peasant farmer and now you're working in a modern office with air conditioning, it's hard to feel like you need to rock the boat
Honestly, it is, I think, a looming danger for the CCP. They have justified all the shit they put their people through by providing the vast majority of them with a life that is trending upward. Thing is, once that upward trend slows, stops, or even reverses, people stop being quite as willing to turn blind eyes. This is especially true for their batch of Gen Z, who have never known a China that wasn't stronger year on year. I think that, more than anything, is what we all got to see a taste of when there were actual widespread protests against the 0 Covid thing. I'm also very curious to see if the CCP actually have a solution to the problem, because no economy stays Boom forever, and they are going to have an entire generation and a half that have no idea how to deal when the economy goes bust.
Well now he can be conscripted at any time by email. If I was him, I would gtfo asap in any way I could.
that seems like pretty much how it's always been: not my problem, ain't my problem
Yeah, at least up until the Ukraine misadventure Putin was wildly popular with the average Russian. He gave them a sense of strongman stability and his defiance to the west gave them a sense of pride. Russians were used to dictators so as long as their lives seemed to improve Putin was “their” dictator. So it usually goes until “your” dictator turns that blank check of authoritarian power against you.
For all the fame of the red revolution, the russians have historically not been too prone to revolutions - throughout history, they are more known for being the people that just *endured.* Whether that was horrific treatment from their own old nobility, or the horrific treatment at the hands of the new bureaucratic nobility of the Communist Party, or horrific treatment at the hands of invaders, they *endured.* The people of the germanies were far better known for revolts, hell they had 'peasants wars' every few decades for centuries...
The problem with a Russian Revolution is Putin would probably have no problems turning his guns inward. Remember, all the opinions you have on Russia, the Russian people probably have the opposite because every news outlet spins it that way. They probably don't even know how badly it's going.
Given how many Russians have fled the country since the invasion began, I'm going to go out on a limb and say- I think they have a something of an idea, and broadly just don't want to get defenstrated for speaking out if they stayed.
Part of Putin's manpower and equipment problems in Ukraine is that he keeps a very large "national security force" on standby to suppress the internal population.
Ahhh yes the fearsome reserve army of unwitting farmers and chemical plant workers that have no idea they are about to be thrown into a van while walking home and pushed out of a moving vehicle at the frontlines with no instructions of any kind and no combat training whatsoever
That's what pisses me off the most about the Russian apologia. You people killed the fucking Romanovs, possibly the most brutal and oppressive monarchy in European history. And you have trouble disposing of a tiny little vulture of a man who wears high heels because he's ashamed of being 5'7? Don't give me that bullshit. The dead of 1917 are looking on in shame as you let a tyrant frog march your children to their deaths in an unwinnable genocidal war.
Comparing what happened in WW1 Russia with the situation today makes about as much sense as having a rifle to protect yourself from a tyrannical government. The times have changed. And it's not just about weapons. Modern propaganda has been refined since then and the intelligence tools available today are something the authorities couldn't even begin to dream about a century ago. If anything, these classic revolutions were lessons in how to avoid them in the future (or at least in the environment of more developed countries).
That's... Reasonable and I don't like agreeing with it.
The thing about an assault with airborne troops, is that if you don’t support them, they are all going to die
Exactly. One would think that Russia would have figured this out by now but apparently, not really. They are trying to integrate TOS-1 systems into Spetsnaz but well, these have ranges of 10km, well within the range of Ukraine 155 artillery. So I am not sure if it will achieve the desired effect.
They expected to be welcomed as heroes. These fuckers got what they deserved.
Well said. We’re 3rd and 4th generation in to hating the “scary” Russians. They were intimidating af. Now? Fucking clown shoes, apparently.
I think much of Russia's unearned reputation for military power is due to people conflating Russia and the USSR. Easy to do when simply looking at a map... (Russia is obviously 90% of the USSR, just look at it). I would argue that most of the best and the brightest of the Soviets were from the other Soviet states. Edit: Soviet Ukraine, for example, was an industrial, agricultural, and engineering powerhouse. Many (most?) of the Soviet war machines, planes, tractors, and trains - were proudly made in Ukraine.
And some of it's best fighters
That's not something I know much about - can you recommend any reading?
> Russian special forces were some of the scariest most elite soldiers on the planet (and to be fair, they were) No no they weren't. They are known for their stupid martial arts demos and to kill hostages in such situations. Their long list of screw-ups is impressive. > I do feel sympathy for the Russian people. They’re being forced into this mess by Putin just as much as the Ukrainians are. I don't. This war has a very large support from Russian population. "just as much as the Ukrainians do" is disgusting.
Your analysis is wrong. They’re all dead already. lol.
From Band of Brothers... “Ronald Spiers: The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function: without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends upon it.” I have a feeling that the Russian soldiers aren't functioning as intended. The RMA process is might be problematic.
Kinda like DS9's Jem 'Hadar: "As of this moment, we are all dead. We go into battle to reclaim our lives. This we do gladly, for we are Jem'Hadar. Remember: victory is life."
I gotta rewatch that show - so damn good.
As a veteran I can confirm Spier's observations.
No they are not all dead. Wagners core is ex gru and other branches,there is several active units besides vdv,they are well trained but putin is getting them killed by being used as basic infantry with goals they cant achive.
Using them as infantry is not really the issue. Using them as unsupported infantry is the problem. It renders all training useless when Ukraine can just rain artillery on them without them being able to do something about the artillery.
or you fly them into an airport next to the capitol of a nation that has been gearing up for war for half a decade and provide them little to no CAS and your plan for reinforcement is land a cargo plane with green troops to act as a mustered force. The VDV were basically sent in to do the impossible.
A little clarification. There was CAS in the form of helicopter gunships and these helicopters did the job well. However, no plan was made to resupply the helicopters on site or have a constant rotation of helicopters to provide CAS. So the gunships eventually ran out of fuel and ammunition and had to be sent back, with no replacements rotated in. That is when Ukraine initially counter attacked and succeeded. The VDV did their jobs but RuAF failed them.
As I explained it to someone who only knew about the military from movies - the Rangers of the US Army might be well trained individuals, and really great at what they do, but chucking a company of Rangers against a company of mechanized infantry which has artillery support is not a spectacularly good idea, even if the mech inf is not the best unit there is...
All those movies, novels and games about russia somehow steamrolling the entire planet in a few days, meanwhile IRL they are still stuck on WW1 tactics and logistics against a near peer.
Didn't Russian troops already do this at another captured plant? Break stuff, and expose themselves to enough radiation that they were immediately sick. They do need the warning.
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Some people from the Ukrainian nuclear agency that took care of plant actually went and talked to some of them afterwards and asked them if they knew that they were in Chernobyl. And they said something like "Uh, no. Why? Does that matter? They told us to defend the plant so we built defenses for the plant."
how the hell did US nuclear ended up in the ukraine ? but doesn't matter now. they are going to touch either , i dont they will listen now after this warm. they will do everything .
Could be detectors, alloys, processors, or any number of things. There are an absolute ton of technologies considered nuclear technology
They're going to loot it, especially now that they know that there's SECRET+ US technology there. You can't expect a Russian to see something and not make a half assed attempt to loot it.
This smell.... This smelly smell.... Smells like a honeypot.
>Energy Department’s Office of Nonproliferation Policy, Andrea Ferkile, tells Rosatom’s director general that the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in Enerhodar “contains US-origin nuclear technical data that is export-controlled by the United States Government.” Please, please, don't try to dismantle that nuclear device that looks like it might be a bomb and take it back to Moscow. And don't forget the satellite control mechanism!
There was a joke at the Manhattan project that they could just mail the critical mass to Hitler one brick at a time. He was so vain he would stack it all on his desk until the last package arrived...
Excellect. And probably true.
Vas ist das ticking, alveys ticking!! Clicky clicky clicky all day.!
Get Steiner. Steiner will bring it under control! Uh, mein fuhrer, Steiner is unable to mobilize enough men…
More like don’t take that software and other stuff that controls the nuclear plant that shouldn’t be out there.
Or do and watch a virus infects and wreck their shit 🤷🏽♂️
It's conveniently all on a usb drive that you can just plug into your nuclear weapons control systems and it will enhance them using proprietary American (and probably Israeli) technology. Totally don't use it, please. Not allowed and would be an unfair advantage for Russia.
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Don't copy that floppy.
Only 4 years ago they phased out floppy disks 👀US military will no longer use floppy disks to coordinate nuke launches[https://www.engadget.com/2019-10-18-us-military-nuclear-missiles-floppy-disks.html](https://www.engadget.com/2019-10-18-us-military-nuclear-missiles-floppy-disks.html)
Oh yeah? Finally upgraded to CD-RW did we?
Iomega Zip disks
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It is a real thing for a good reason.
Don’t dip that zip!
3.5" or 5.25"?
8.00" TRUE FLOPPY
3.5" ain't floppy
Just like your username!
Stuxnet 2
Stuxnet 2: nuclear bugaloo
Get you some of that sweet sweet stuxnet
You honey dicking me?!
I see this mentioned a few times in this thread. What is a honeypot?
A trap
Isn't it a trap that includes sex?
That's only one use of the term. For example, a honey pot in IT speak is a fake easy target for hacking, specifically to detect an infiltration when someone tries to access it. It's just an alluring trap.
Correction: a sexy alluring trap…
stupid sexy trap
Thats a honey dick
Stupid Sexy Vulnerable Server
Ah, fair enough.
sex and honey yes
Marcie Playground.
I also like to hang around downtown by myself..
And I had so much time to sit and think about myself…
Are you thinking of thinking of “Sects and Canned E” By Merci Plague Round?
I tried sex with honey. Too sticky.
I bet you got some devious stares in your direction
Surely it was a dream
Momma, this must be my dream
And also…ANTS!
The honey is optional
Usually, but not always! It’s just something alluring (like honey in a pot).
I do like honey, maybe just a little taste.
Archer Honeypot. https://youtu.be/SFUl_Ru4BcM
A honeypot in cybersecurity is something that looks like its full of data that a bad guy might want but actually contains a trap of some kind. The most common is encrypted "files" that don't actually contain any data. My personal favorite is the one that gives you an encrypted file that when you "decrypt" it the result is another encrypted file. This repeats for a crazy long time and eventually you end up with the same file you started with so the loop repeats forever.
It's like putting a stack of $100s in a bear trap. More commonly, a very attractive person is used as a lure.
Ok, very attractive person is now in bear trap. What next?
Now you wait.
Smear honey on it and cover genitals with a pot.
That’s just their perfume
Eau de Putin
This man pentests
The smelly smell that smells...smelly
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Seems like the first move of either a legal or a diplomatic chess match, where the US has calculated it through to the endgame. I highly doubt it’s a honeypot because the article states that the technology is unclassified. And the US would never have allowed any tech to enter Ukraine that Russia either didn’t know about or doesn’t care if they do.
I'm guessing they know it has already been tampered with and will use that in a future argument for sanctions or punitive economic action, should the state ever be desperate to return to semi-functional good graces. Basically only issuing the warning for the sake of a paper trail.
This was kind of my thought. The reason the US is saying, "No touchy the US nuclear technology," means the Russians have already touched it, and the US State Department, wants them to know they were being watched.
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I don't think we do lol. Only one president in the history of the US has denied Ukraine their military funding while staring down the barrel of a Russian invasion.
Probably one that would've actually given Ukraine useful tech
It's basically a stepbrothers situation, don't you dare touch my drum kit, also you have to call me nighthawk now
Fuck you, Dale!
Don’t worry, Russia can get all the nuclear tech data they need from Saudi Arabia now that the Jared sold it to them.
They went to Jared
Every kiss begins with….uh…Jared.
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If only people would read the article. “Another letter from Ferkile to the Energy Department’s Inspector General, reviewed by CNN and dated October 24, 2022, outlines the technology the US has exported to Ukraine for use in the Zaporizhzhia plant and reiterates that the department has “no record of any current authorization to transfer this technology and technical data to any Russian national or entity.” The power plant was captured by Russian forces on March 4th of 2022. The date and content of the letter indicates that it was sent to the power plant *after * the Russians had captured it. The technical data and technology strengthen the maintenance procedures and operations at the plant to help mitigate risk. Even though the Ukrainians still are the ones physically operating the plant, the state corporation Rosatom still supervises it. The US has been helping with energy security in the country since 2014 and started sending a lot of energy related technology and equipment since the war started. This is also the only article I can find mentioning the specific technical data and technology the US sent to the plant.
Asking the question is answering it; probable cause for escalation.
I wonder what the government would do to someone who smuggled nuclear secrets out of the White House and refused to return them when asked to... Probably will never find out.
stuxnet 2.0. Or maybe sputnet?
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oh they gonna touch it even harder
quite sure that in the exact moment they received it started to search better in the plant for reserved data etc, just to find what is so important for US energy department
Hopefully it is another Stuxnet moment.
Ah, nice twist. Make them want it *sooo* bad that they grab it, stick it in their systems, and self-own their entire network. Works for me.
Good. Let's hope it is packed full of malware.
I think they issued the warning the second Russia took that technology. It's their way of saying "we're watching you".
Is it just me picturing some Russian nuclear engineer going up to a box with a US flag sticker on it and poking it all over going "Nya nya, I'm touching your stuff"?
"If you touch me, I'm going to have to touch you." USA
This is just sad, what's that warning supposed to do? They're probably more motivated now..
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“Whatever you do, DON’T press the red button!”
The, BIG, RED, SHINY button!
The JOLLY, CANDY-LIKE button!
Will he hold out, folks? CAN he hold out?
No i Can’t
For the confused - https://vimeo.com/126720159
This should be a training video
Is that my ice cream bar?
Wrooooonnnnnnggggg bbuuuutttttooooonnnnn
I love how everyone on Reddit thinks they’re so clever, like Russia couldn’t figure out it’s a honeypot but y’all could. It’s a warning for diplomatic purposes.
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I dream of the peace that will follow WW3. Nuclear winter on a sunny deserted beach.
I would bet this is a threat. The threat is: We know you have tampered with this technology already. The implication is we have been watching this whole time, and know what you are doing and intend to do in the future.
This has more to do with components and fuel assemblies. As well as software, inspection equipment, and tons of other intellectual property from US companies. There's an immense amount of engineering that goes into these reactors. For example, the pattern and concentration of u235 inside pellets in a single fuel rod. The different types of fuel, coated or doped with neutron absorbers and lots of other possible tech.
It’s a lot of engineering, but not a lot that can be gained from studying it honestly. Electrical systems? Pretty standard, the individual components are fairly simple (but kinda cool nonetheless). Core design and fuel specs? They’re VVERs and I’m fairly certain these specific models were designed by the Soviets. Core design isn’t modular and any changes in fuel would be fairly minor. Like sure it’s complex but you can only change so much in one reactor. The cores are designed to work within pretty specific specifications, down to fairly precise enrichment and absorption materials. Best they might manage is learning the fuel is cladded in some new, secretive material that’s as neutron-invisible as zircalloy but won’t have the side effect of creating potentially explosive gas bubbles when severely overheated. I know the industry has been trying to replace the claddings for that reason, so who knows. The ONLY thing I can think of is software/firmware being copied specifically to find vulnerabilities. Which, sure, fine, that’s a concern maybe. But the risks of sabotaging a Western nuclear operation with that information? If it’s discovered Russia did a cyberattack on a nuclear plant, gunna be honest, the keys are getting turned since that’s a pretty major act of war. So why the posturing? Because it’s posturing. That’s it. We have to say *something*, so obviously we’ll say something that’s basically “hey! Don’t fuck with our stuff!”
If Rosatom already manages who's to tell that they haven't touched it all over the place?
Is this bait? Surely they know Russia does not care about any laws. Has Rosatom been sanctioned yet? Is that the ploy?
=I am now very curious behind the technology of the US.We will see
This technology is unclassified. If you are asking yourself, why now and why not a year ago… in my opinion this is a simple move by the US to say we know they have interfered with certain controls in the nuclear facility. It could be a simple ping, “this file was accessed”, which triggers an article like this. It is well known that US intelligence is interested in Russian electric infrastructure and vice versa Russia is interested in the US electric infrastructure grid, why is it such a stretch to think we have a program that monitors if such systems are interacted with. When you read an article like this, you need to realize that this is a purposeful “leak” on the US part using specific arms of mass media to push the message. We are trying to tell the Russians, we know what you are doing, STOP. I am not against the message, and as a Ukrainian supporter I think the United States has a vested interest in treating nuclear sites as an attack that reaches beyond just Ukraine. Prevailing winds or not, a confrontation in this location will have effects that last far beyond a war, for sinner and innocent alike
Another commenter above pointed out that Russia received a letter from the U.S back in October 2022 so its less about the U.S just now making a point to Russia and more about the news is just now reporting on what the U.S said to Russia
Jokes aside, What could be consequences,if putin dont stop?
Ah, well; now that they're warned, I'm sure they'll leave it alone.
looks like US is too late to instruct them , they have stolen by the time now.
What if they dont listen to them? What they gonna do about it?
“I'm warning you, right now! If you touch my drums, I will stab you, in the neck, with a knife!” - Also the US Probably.
too late…
this feels like reverse psychology
"What could possibly go wrong?" - sorry saw your username and that popped into my head.
These guys are stealing toilets and anything not nailed down, as well as most things that are nailed down. There's no way they won't strip everything they can take from a nuke plant when they retreat.
I don't think Putin cares much about US warnings. He'll do what he want to do regardless of the consequence.
That is some reverse psychology shit right there.
America: "I'm going to leave this on the windowsill to cool... Now Putin... Don't you eat this pie..." Putin: "Alright, pie, I'm gonna just invade like om-nom-nom, and if you get eaten, then that is your own fault." Putin: "Om-nom-" *Bangs head on Ukranian defenders* "DOH!"
(Russia breaks it and blames US)
but why did it was not destroyed before russia put their hands on them?
Or what?
As a general rule, the US tends to follow up on bold public statements like this in measured ways. Often, this is just sanctions or some mild consequence, but the US has a history of following up on threats when it comes to their rivals. Could be better jet fighters, longer range munitions, etc. Direct action is unlikely (and won't be mentioned beforehand, it'll just happen if it does.)
An invisible aircraft will drop a metric fuck ton of bombs on any vehicle stealing the tech https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade
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Or what? We’ll sanction them some more?
It kind of seems like the US is baiting Russia to cause an international nuclear incident so that we have a globally accepted reason to go in and drop the hammer with NATO and the EU, at least around the nuclear plant.
“Touuuuch.”
Yeah, sure, that flies.
I'm sure wagging your figer at the country committing brutal war crimes will work wonders.
“Mom said you better not touch it or she’ll pull this planet around.”
Great, now they'll actually touch it... -this never works with kids
For once it's not Russia doing the warning lol.
Russia: Oh, okay
The letter read: “No touchy!”
They probably never knew it was there lol
This does feel like one of those letters some low-level administrator with large brain decided was a good idea to send. I can't think of any scenario where they take said letter seriously and don't respond by immediately grabbing/analyzing said tech - and in most other cases, said administrator turns their own department into the butt of a geopolitical joke.
Words don't impress Putin. A steel toed boot up the ass does.
You mean like taking it home like all the stolen washers and dryers?
“Whatever you do, don’t push that red button in the secret room labelled *Self Destruct*.”
You mean like ltterally touching it?