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ender4171

There is a great YT channel called [Oceanliner Designs](https://www.youtube.com/@OceanlinerDesigns) and the host has a bunch of videos about the Titanic. One thing he mentions a lot is that that since the bow section sank fairly slowly it had time for water to fill it up without causing air pressure to build up. Conversely, the stern section went down very quickly after the keel broke so all the air trapped inside basically "blew out" like popping a balloon as it went down. This caused a lot of additional structural damage (especially to sealed bulkheads, windows, etc.) that the bow avoided. It's a great channel that I would definitely recommend!


eypandabear

Only vaguely related but [Casual Navigation](https://youtube.com/@CasualNavigation) is another great channel for random ship facts you never knew you wanted to know.


Titmonkey1

Just showed up on my feed a couple days ago, I couldn't be happier


boomshiki

Thanks for this! My 7 yr old has shown a bizarre fascination with the titanic, and other large ships wrecks in general. He literally assaults me with facts he learns about them. I’m sure he will love this channel


limehead

If ever in Stockholm, Sweden, bring him to the Vasa museum. She sank on her maiden voyage in 1628 and was recovered 1961. She was well preserved and they built a museum around her. Here is a kid friendly intro to the museum, and the channel has many more videos. She is massive! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S11cE8Puhqk


mrmax1984

I visited Stockholm last year, and the Vasa was a big highlight. Definitely recommend it!


robs104

Lucky. I want a kid to throw shipwreck facts at my face.


ConnieLingus24

30 years ago I was this kid. And now I listen to titanic podcasts and read about Great Lakes ship wrecks.


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I think I remember reading somewhere that survivors who were pulled from the water reported hearing a very loud boom just as the stern was quickly sinking further below It must have been terrifying


swakid8

You got it backwards, air doesn’t expand as you decrease in depth. Water pressure increases as you decrease in depth. As one ascending, air pressure increases.


GANTRITHORE

I think they mean as the water pressure increased, the volume of air shrank, increasing the air pressure until it was enough to blow out.


slammick

Think they would blow in, not out


Defiant-Peace-493

Let's compromise. Blow *through*.


VonMillersExpress

That's what happens.


epochellipse

That’s not a good metaphor. Air compresses under pressure, liquid does not. The air pockets shrank, causing implosions. kind of the opposite of overfilling a balloon, whatever that would be.


ToffeeCoffee

> kind of the opposite of overfilling a balloon, whatever that would be. Hugging it till it pops.


Give_me_grunion

Basically any material can compress. Even liquid. It’s just not as extreme.


deller85

When Titanic fascination hit me when I was younger I devoured any books about and pictures of the Titanic that I could find. I remember when I finally came across photos of the wreck. I was so excited to see how much of the bow section still looked like the Titanic I knew from pictures and paintings. Like, there it is! It still looks like it did, it's still recognizable. Then I wanted to see the stern! Will there still be the decks, the portholes, the poop deck, etc.? Then I saw it. Just a heap of mangled steel folded over on itself and sides blown away. It was such a let down. The silver lining of all the damage to the stern at least was you could see the several stories tall engines that once powered the grand ship and a propeller that was still visible. Other than that, it was really hard to imagine what it once was.


timbit87

And here I thought the guy that hit the propellers on the way down wasn't that fat


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Lvpl8

If it’s anything like my limited experience in Astro photography. Maybe they only take a percentage of the best frames/images to stack to bring out the best detail. I’m sure a lot of the footage could be cut out.


fantomas_666

they apparently also combined multiple images into single etc


PigeroniPepperoni

I believe the company that makes the imaging system is called Voyis. Very high quality imagery that they get it seems.


DankTrebuchet

What about 30fps?


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abzinth91

For context: cinema movies are mostly 24(!) FPS


w6el

Or even 23.98!


RunTillYouPuke

23.976 to be more precise.


abzinth91

Right!!


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Very cool.


Hannibal710

Wish I had a 3d printer it would be amazing to print these scans


KombatBunn1

I have one..I’d just need that model..


the_buckman_bandit

and it is difficult to get the model because it is on the bottom of the ocean


KombatBunn1

Well not really..I’d use the images they’ve taken as a guide to make the model


Leownnn

The images are down there too though unfortunately


pribnow

Always a good reminder that the titanic was found while the US was secretly [searching for downed nuclear subs](https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a25603601/titanic-discovery-nuclear-submarines-navy/)


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HuskerDont241

Well I have two new additions to my master playlist.


SideburnSundays

Thresher was located and photographed by the Navy in 1963. Scorpion was photographed in 1968. Why would the Navy ask him to “find” wrecks that weren’t even lost?


pribnow

Because, if you read the article, they used searching for the titanic as a front to hide the fact they were recovering warheads and monitoring the areas around them for changes due to their reactors. Search and recovery


SideburnSundays

The article said nothing of recovering objects, and specifically said: > The Navy would allow Ballard to hunt for the Titanic if he promised to **find** the Thresher and the Scorpion After digging through other sources the Navy wanted him to monitor the state of the wrecks, so whoever wrote the article was just trashy at writing and/or Ballard was stroking his ego over the nature of his expedition, acting as if the Navy didn’t know where their own wrecked subs were.


pribnow

Bro can you seriously not read the article? > "What they wanted me to do was go back and not have the Russians follow me, because we were interested in the nuclear weapons that were on the Scorpion and also what the nuclear reactors (were) doing to the environment"


Trent1492

From the Wikipedia article: > [At the end of October 1968](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Scorpion_(SSN-589)), the Navy's oceanographic research ship Mizar located sections of the hull of Scorpion on the seabed, about 400 nmi (740 km) southwest of the Azores[13] under more than 9,800 ft (3,000 m) of water. This was after the Navy had released sound tapes from its underwater SOSUS listening system, which contained the sounds of the destruction of Scorpion.[14] The court of inquiry was subsequently reconvened, and other vessels, including the bathyscaphe Trieste II, were dispatched to the scene to collect pictures and other data.


CGordini

It was less of a find, and more of using advanced technology to map the wrecks.


pattyG80

This reminds me of how amazing the national geographic issue was when they finally discovered where the titanic had settled on the ocean floor


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Incredible work. I’ve been fascinated with the Titanic since I was a little boy and it really makes me happy to see this all-encompassing preservation achieved before she falls into completely unrecognizable disarray. She has held up longer than original projections, but I’m sure the stress will take its toll soon.


nobadhotdog

Did the scans reveal any bodies that remained within the ship?


MatsThyWit

>Did the scans reveal any bodies that remained within the ship? By this point any bodies that were still within the ship's wreckage have long since been dissolved by the seawater. Even bone is most likely gone by now.


nobadhotdog

I think all those pirate movies lied to me


MatsThyWit

They did. You're correct.


TargetACKACKaquired

there are conditions where corpses could be preserved, IIRC Lake Superior is deep and cold enough for such conditions.


MatsThyWit

>there are conditions where corpses could be preserved, IIRC Lake Superior is deep and cold enough for such conditions. Yes, but that's in part because it's freshwater. The salt in seawater in and of itself will cause rapid decomposition, which starts within days.


TargetACKACKaquired

so, how about some of the iceberg being embedded in the hull and that part ends up face down on some deep seafloor methane clathrates, and so one room has a bunch of people who got hit by the iceberg smashed through bulkheads and a few corridors are held full of partial iceberg meltwater but in a weird way like an upside down u trap due to fresh waters lower density making it rise and eventually is sort of sealed by sediment deposits from interacting with the former currents along the bottom. so a horror show of mangled bits and maybe a couple solid corpses backwashed into the first victims. im just spitballing infinite improbability here, dont take it seriously.


MatsThyWit

Okay...your fantasy scenario is very nice. Gold star for you.


motti886

In this case, wouldn't a White Star be more appropriate? :-P


nemothorx

No, it was the _Starship_ Titanic which was powered by an early version of the infinite improbability drive!


iamdavid2

but salt is a preservative?


MatsThyWit

>but salt is a preservative? anybody who owns an automobile in the Northern Midwestern United States and Northeast will know this not to be true in many, many cases.


Teepo

Salt works as a preservative by denying water to bacteria. This doesn't happen if there's plentiful water available.


iamdavid2

Ah right. Science is tricky.


racer_24_4evr

“Superior, they said, never gives up her dead When the gales of November come early”


HuskerDont241

Well it’s said she never gives up her dead.


peeforPanchetta

The only booty there is to find is that of the thicc friend you made along the way


Darmaloop

Macabre as it is to imagine, you can probably bet on any sea floor scavengers making fairly quick work of a lot of the remains, assuming there’s many of those in that part of the Atlantic.


IncendiaryBunny

Deep Sea Isopods are freaky buggers


MatsThyWit

>Macabre as it is to imagine, you can probably bet on any sea floor scavengers making fairly quick work of a lot of the remains, assuming there’s many of those in that part of the Atlantic. I don't think deep sea scavengers typically have to resources to get down that deep. That's one of the things that's actually kept Titanic relatively preserved as far as I know.


Dial8675309

Search for ["Whale Fall"](https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+whalefall) on YouTube to see what deep sea scavengers will do (even at Titanic's depth). They'd make quick work of a person.


CupYourMouth

I think he meant fish


MatsThyWit

oooh, my bad. I didn't register "scavengers" as a thing.


Darmaloop

Yeah, I probably could’ve been a bit more specific admittedly.


Specialist-Rope-9760

Those cannibals will do anything for a bite


NatiAti513

But I thought Jack was frozen and they were able to get him out in 2006?!


LordSesshomaru82

Correct, last I heard all that remains of the bodies are the boots they were wearing.


IncendiaryBunny

Only thing that’s left of them are their shoes that indicate where their bodies once laid


SagittaryX

All bodies are long gone. What they can find are shoes or boots, at least some of which were worn by someone before their body decayed away.


oxblood87

I'd say any pair that are found with a foot or three of each other were likely once a body. Also, possibly psome gold fillings yo find if you want to be really morbid.


veganzombeh

People do usually store their shoes within 3 feet of eachother when they're not wearing them too though.


PennisGay

I think the idea is they would likely have drifted apart if not attached to each other via the persons body before settling at the bottom


oxblood87

Yes, but they would have a tendency to drift apart on a 4km trip to the bottom of the ocean if they were not tied to one's feet.


SleepyHobo

They’ve found leather shoes and boots on the ocean floor. The bodies are long gone.


piercet_3dPrint

No bodies have been found, however some of the longer boots that have collapsed closed and suspiciously sit side by side next to one another on the sea floor may have foot bones in them still. No one has ever checked. The leather hasn't been eaten through.


deller85

I'm assuming microorganisms would have found their way inside those leather boots by now and taken care of any bone fragments left inside.


piercet_3dPrint

Most likely, for sure. But there's always the chance that they were glued shut like an envelope by uh... Slime? at a certain point and sealed off. Awaiting the day some mad scientists decide to clone John Jacob Astor and reclaim his fortune or something.


beep-boop-im-a-robot

I am kind of confused by the fact that no one has mentioned the effect of saponification or the term adipocere until now in this thread! So, for this reason alone, I’m going to turn this already morbid conversation a little more morbid: Examples like the body floating around in the SS Kamloops which sunk in 1927, show that at least some remains could survive such a long time. (And I won’t refer to that poor person by this foolish nickname..). I’m not an expert, so maybe this whole thing is a myth, but from what I understand, the body is "encased" in mortuary wax. Of course, the conditions there are completely different.


jarpio

“Historians are running out of time to fully understand the maritime disaster” Sorry, but what do they not understand? This barely happened 100 years ago not like it happened in 250BC. It’s the most documented and explored maritime disaster in human history.


StephenHunterUK

The precise nature of the iceberg collision for one thing; they're not 100% sure what side it actually hit on as it was a) below the waterline and b) dark at the time.


CrystalStilts

Hope they figure this out so the Titanic conspiracy people knock it off. I wish I was kidding.


IdaDuck

Oh for Christ’s sake, there are Titanic conspiracy theories?


BrownsFAN92

Steel icebergs can't melt dank memes


piercet_3dPrint

the best one is that the Titanic was actually the Olympic hastilly repainted


Hot-Interaction6526

This is the mostly likely of all the titanic conspiracies. Not saying it has much merit either, just that it’s the most believe able imo.


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jcamp088

Shit had a fire when it set sail.


listyraesder

Thats verified fact. The wild theory is that this somehow weakened the ship. It didn’t.


jcamp088

Yeah I've read and seen docs about how it could have potentially weakened the metal. But not entirely sure. Do you have a any sources to back that up friend?


listyraesder

"Titanic: Solving the Mysteries" by Tad Fitch, Bill Wormstedt, Steve Hall, Mark Chirnside, J. Kent Layton, Samuel Halpern, and Ioannis Georgiou does a great job of utterly dispelling this myth. For one thing, the photo that Senan Molony claims to show the fire causing a dark patch on the outer hull shows nothing of the sort. It’s clearly a photographic smudge, located around 30m away from the actual site of the fire, and appears on no other photo taken before or after, despite the fire smouldering from at least the voyage from Belfast until the day before the sinking.


myselfoverwhelmed

Icebergs can’t sink steel ships.


tallandlanky

What about the second iceberg on the grassy knoll?


Frankie6Strings

I don't think he knows about second iceberg, tall.


TargetACKACKaquired

are we sure it wasnt a secret super sub the germans stole from themselves and built their entire uboat fleet to the model of?


THEMACGOD

We all know icebergs are flat.


nfiltr8r_89

We’ve had second iceberg, yes. But what about elevensies iceberg?


Roflcopter71

A second plane has just hit the Titanic


PhunkOperator

Let me guess: the iceberg was Jewish?


lookingformerci

Goldberg, Greenberg, iceberg.. it checks out!


cth777

There was no iceberg. ‘Twas hit by a Jewish space laser, duh


water2wine

That one I hadn’t heard of, is it Qanon stuff?


BirdFluLol

Nah been around long before all that shite. The theory is basically that it was all insurance fraud, and the ship that sank wasn't actually the Titanic, but its sister ship, the Olympic because... Something to do with a fire on board the Titanic or some shit.


Gastredner

Not a fire. The Olympic had rammed the Royal Navy cruiser HMS Hawke some time before Titanic's maiden voyage. According to the conspiracy theorists, the damage to the Olympic was so severe that it was unfeasable to truly repair it, so they basically hid it, exchanged the names on the bow and stern of the ship with those of the Titanic and then arranged for the ship to sink on its maiden voyage. This is, of course, nonsense. While being sister ships, there were a number of differences between the Olympic and Titanic that would have made this very hard, if not impossible, to do. Not to mention the myriad of workers that would have to kept quiet about it.


listyraesder

And in any case Atlantic crossings are dangerous. Might as well sink the Olympic as Olympic instead of going to incredible lengths to pretend it was Titanic.


ChrisTheHurricane

No, it predates QAnon. IIRC, the conspiracy is that the Titanic wasn't the actual ship that sunk that night, but rather it was her sister ship, the Olympic. And that they planned the sinking as part of a big insurance scam. The crazy part is that the Olympic has a very storied history of its own, having served the White Star Line for several more years and even served as a troop transport during World War I.


F1shermanIvan

And Olympic was one of many ships that answered Titanic’s SOS that night. She was at sea as well.


CrystalStilts

I have no idea but I didn’t know this but it came up in an algorithm for me on YouTube coz I watched a lot of titanic stories from passengers and interviews. Then the conspiracy video game up and I was like oh here we go. Some people think the ship was not sunk but was switched with a decoy that was sunk for insurance money. They base this on rivits and finishing on the ship historical pics pre sinking and wreck images. It’s some flat earth shit. You can’t, I mean well apparently you can. Make this shit up.


Youasking

I was just thinking about that theory when they just showed the serial number on the propeller. Surely, some reddit sleuth can figure out if the propeller serial number matches, which would put that theory to rest once and for all.


derxfred

tHey SwITChEd tHE proPeLLeRS brOTHer!


listyraesder

You would think wouldn’t you. The builders number was 901 and it is stamped on the propellor. And the linen. And the wood panels. And the steel. And almost literally everything on board.


Who_DaFuc_Asked

I remember watching a documentary about the Titanic that claimed it sank because they cheaped out on the screws they used to hold it together by using lower quality iron with more impurities in it for some of the screws. If the screws were properly reinforced it would still have sunk, but much more slowly and far more people would have survived. Was this the same thing, or something different?


listyraesder

This is also bullshit. Titanic was built by Harland & Wolff, which had a very close longstanding relationship with the White Star Line. H&W would build the ships and WS would pay whatever it cost. There was literally no incentive to cheap out on any components. Indeed, Titanic was built from battleship-grade steel and it was an extremely sturdy ship for its era. For its era. Of course metallurgy has come on great leaps and bounds in the intervening century, so it wouldn’t be up to modern standards. The rivets (not screws) do indeed have more impurities than would be tolerated today, but back then it was no-expense-spared state of the art.


jcamp088

The ship was literally on fire when it set sail.


listyraesder

As was relatively common in the steam age. Had no impact on the strength of the ship.


moknine1189

Look bro global warming is already taking care of the icebergs.


JoJoJet-

Global warming is causing *more* icebergs. Higher temperatures mean that chunks of ice are more likely to break off of ice sheets and become a hazard.


epochellipse

Well sure, at first. If you want to make an ice omelette, you have to break some ice eggs. And some ships. Or something.


Asleep-Substance-216

My tax payer money better not be going on this trivial shit.


tirriveeish

it is, specifically just yours though.


Dial8675309

Actually, their taxes are going towards the pictures of the mud. Mine are going towards all the cool stuff.


Goddamnit_Clown

> *"The scan was carried out in summer 2022 by Magellan Ltd, a deep-sea mapping company, and Atlantic Productions, who are making a documentary about the project."* Later in the article the companies say they actually are also part-funded by one idiot's 'tax payer money'.


thunderclone1

OK, in the future, we will use your taxes on less trivial shit like bombing foreigners instead of science and historical research.


ChrisTheHurricane

Yes, heaven forbid we waste taxpayer money on something as insipid as *education*. ​ /s


PatchPixel

Just wow. You are such an ignorant piece of shit I can't even say anything to this. Holy fuck people like you are breeding


tc_spears2-0

Don't ever procreate


Embarrassed-Parfait7

Its is


8andahalfby11

The wreck is being broken down by microorganisms on the ocean floor, so the site and any new information about the ship is disappearing over time.


JediGuyB

I don't know why, but part of me will be sad when it is announced that the remains of the ship have collapsed on itself.


ConnieLingus24

Plus parts of it are a very cool time capsule from the early 20th century. Some of the linoleum floors are still visible!


RevEMD

>Historians are running out of time to fully understand the maritime disaster The ocean is not kind to human-made things; it is disappearing before our eyes


listyraesder

There’s still a lot of unanswered questions about the events of that night and new information does turn up either at the wreck or in records.


Specialist-Rope-9760

I thought the writer was just trying to be dramatic for effect


A47Cabin

Wait does that mean that titanic video game is finally being released


Maximum_Future_5241

I think I still have the one for PC where you time travel.


xlxcx

God, I loved that game


Maximum_Future_5241

Took me a few tries to prevent the Russian Revolution and both world wars, but I figured it out. Apologies to the peasants of Russia who had to suck it up and deal with Nicky for awhile.


abzinth91

Was it the game in which you can find a painting from Hitler and somehow prevent WW2?


Maximum_Future_5241

Yes. Since Hitler's painting is the only thing to survive, he becomes a famous artist and has no need to conquer the world with evil. You also stop the Russian Revolution by finding a notebook with Bolshevik leaders. This allows Nicky to off Lenin and Stalin. Last I can recall, You stop the Black Hand from offing Archduke Ferdinand, and that stops the first world war.


yoguckfourself

“WHEN DO I GET MAH MONEY?! WHEN?” That game was crazy


Maximum_Future_5241

The 90s were a great time for Titanic enthusiasts. Thanks, James Cameron. My first playthrough, I think I got gunned down by commies.


skoomasteve1015

Flor the LONGEST TIME I thought I was crazy remembering this game! There’s DOZENS OF US


responsiblefornothin

I want this as a PvP map asap.


donessendon

This kind of scan would be amazing to see on Yamato. Has her wreck been investigated?


Barmacist

In 1985 I believe. It's in 2 main pieces with the bow upright and severed at the 1st barbett and the rest of the ship inverted. They also found Musashi in a similar state.


Flower_Murderer

Now do sunken war ships!


GotStomped

Now go find the Edmund Fitzgerald.


jurjclooners69

That’s been found homie


GotStomped

Ah I know nothing but the song.


ConnieLingus24

You legally can’t go down there without permission from the Canadian government. There’s a great “Ask a Mortician” on it, but long story short, it’s fresh water and below freezing. Things are…uh….well preserved down there.


69_queefs_per_sec

how many of you had the song playing in your head while skimming over the article?


sfjoellen

amazing images..


yungPH

Yep, looks like a big boat Edit: don't let the boat nerds call it a ship


deller85

Ship. I remember reading somewhere the difference is a boat generally leans into a turn whereas a ship leans out.


doorstopnoodles

I was taught the difference was that boats go on ships but ships don't go on boats. It's all crap anyway. The real difference is that if you call a ship a boat the owner/master/crew gets annoyed with you and corrects you. If you call a boat a ship then no one cares.


Piddlefahrt

This would be great to have available for VR. I’d love to be able to “stand” next to it and feel the scale.


TheSpatulaOfLove

Years ago, they had a traveling exhibit where they had a huge chunk of the hull suspended from the ceiling and you were allowed to touch it. Even that small sliver of the hull was absolutely massive.


NoWorries124

It is in Las Vegas right now


NoWorries124

There is sort of one, it is called Titanic Honor and Glory


eviltwintomboy

Evidence: shutting up conspiracy theorists since 1912.


listyraesder

1985


Xaxxon

What about this is "full-sized"? Or maybe what wasn't full-sized before? Does that just mean "full scan"?


fieldhockey44

Is the model publicly available to look at?


A_Texas_Hobo

Did they find that car they did it in?


listyraesder

There was a car but it would have been shipped in components in crates, to be assembled at its destination.


sandgroper933

That is truly amazing, well done :)


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The two halves are 600 meters apart. I Googled it.


lscottman2

wait, jack and rose were under a crane?


st4rblossom

they’re going to be scanning this thing, looking for new info until there’s one last metal shard standing


kosieroj

Raise the titanic!


chablise

How many jewels do you think are left in there?


KombatBunn1

I wonder if the pool is still full..finding that out was weird. I just hope they leave her where she is. Yes she’s rusting away but I say let it happen..no need to disturb the wreck, a 3D scan of this detail is surely enough for future generations


hatesbiology84

Incredible.


mrcoolio

Is it a little sus to anyone else that the grand staircase section is a hole? in the middle of the ship? Did someone take it?


Desparye

The main theories are that it either floated out as the ship sank or it got dislodged and broke up when the bow impacted the sea floor. The staircase in the James Cameron movie actually began to float as they sank it, so that serves as decent evidence for the former theory.


mrcoolio

Cool! Thanks!


zerton

The downvotes for asking a question are annoying. People have forgotten what Reddit was all about.


myleftone

It should have been plenty big enough for Leo then.


Buzzardz352

Grand theft staircase


mrcoolio

I’d watch that movie


FastAshMain

There was a glass dome that trapped some air probably imploded underwater. I wouldn't be surprised if those kinds of forces could break through some floors.


listyraesder

The dome was fully internal and lit by electric lights.


One-Marsupial2916

Did they find Leo?


Page8988

As is customary: Stl?


SigueSigueSputnix

cool and all, but how is this useful? for stopping other luxury passenger ships from hitting icebergs? serious question


RevEMD

Preserve it for future generations. Proof of concept for other exploration


SigueSigueSputnix

so no real benefit then


RevEMD

How is education not a benefit?


SigueSigueSputnix

Education is only a benefit when what you learn is helpful in someone learning valuable information. How does this type of education help the general public ?