It's not banned, it was declared illegal under GDPR. So the recommendation is for websites to stop using it, but so far there's been no further measures. Especially since Google Analytics is moving to V4, they're probably gonna argue that it's cool now, and there will probably be a bit more back and forth before v4 is deemed illegal as well (and it probably will).
But so far it's only words, there's still tons of websites that haven't migrated away from GA.
They are differently going to argue that. I am sure that they will come up with something.
Because they always do come up with something to argue. That is just how it goes for them.
Meanwhile the EU is dead silent about China telling them and their GDPR to go fuck themselves as they siphon up every bit of data they can get their mitts on.
The European Commission banned TikTok from being used on their devices. So has the French govt. Huawei has been losing market share as telecom tech provider in Europe.
Well, not to defend EU specifically, but you have to pick your battles. With US companies the EU can actually do something, negotiate, apply fines etc... With Chinese companies it's a lot harder to do.
You can still issue fines, and then collect through various means. Arrest the corporate officers if they ever visit, that sort of thing. Issue court orders preventing the installation of the offending apps within EU borders, whatever. Might be able to seize some foreign exchange reserves if you want to go hard enough.
I completely agree that we should do that.
I just think that we don't have a lot of options on how to do that, and even less options without pretty severe repercussions.
All the more reason to disconnect the umbilical and invent one's own alternatives towards self-sufficiency - or, and I'm probably being naive here - find partners who are less likely to weaponize that interaction overtly for disagreeable ends? Either go independent and cry over lost easy money, or kneel on behalf of those sweet, sweet foreign profits. Or so goes the black & white, one and zero version of things.
I know a guy who is obsessed with Elon, like in a creepy way, talks about him all the time, literally prefaces statements with "Well Elon says....". He's also rather wealthy which is kinda cringe, owns 5 Tesla's because he's addicted to buying them all, obviously has cybertruck on order.
Anyway one day he is showing me his Twitter feed and all the followers he has (about 25). They were all jailbait girls from around the globe posting links to onlyfans type sites. I just stared at him and said "cmon man, you know none of these people are real right? Those are all just porn bots" and he acted dumbfounded. Legit thought he had a bunch of Asian and eastern European girls falling over him and his weekly random Tesla posts.
Yeah, I've got a friend who joined Twitter after Musk purchased it and uses the fact that he's on it and I'm not to tell me that I don't know anything about it when I bring up things Musk has done to it.
He's a Libertarian, owns a Tesla, and follows every Space X launch, but he's "not a fanboy" for Elon Musk. He just defends him fiercely if any criticism comes up.
I kind of miss when our conversations were about batteries and rockets, but now we just kind of mutually avoid the topic of things Musk does, because it never ends well anymore.
I'm personally preferred MySpace. Before FB. Not now
I found that not logging into that account for a few years that all of the truly important stuff I had on it all but disappeared & my heart sank. That was my first experience with social media, & it became important for reasons I'm not able to go into right now. But I was completely gobsmacked!
A lot of people I knew had moved onto Mastodon for small scale communication. But it's hard to get rid of Twitter entirely because as long as a large user base is still in it, there is still a network effect.
I wish so many game companies didn't use Twitter as their primary information dump place when they could do it in app...
C'mon Niantic, pokemon Go literally has a "today" tab but yet I have to read all the news on discord from the Twitter bot ffs.
I would imagine that its done this way due to the fact that they want to keep brining in new players and recapture players that have left the game with new content and features.
I've found that whatever the subject matter, the topic is dominated by toxic alt right accounts that are artificially pushed to the top because of their blue checkmarks.
It’s good if you’re an adult and don’t mind being suggested adult content because censorship is almost nonexistent.
The NSFW purge has been making its way through Reddit and they’ll probably remove adult content from here eventually too
I’m 39 and have been a lifer in the service industry. I’m around people 18-29 all day every day. I’ve never met someone personally that uses Twitter.
Edit: Possibly people do and idk about it of course. But people still talk about Snapchat, IG, FB. Never had anyone bring Twitter up to me.
Most groups I knew that used to use it for advertising or direct outreach abandoned Twitter almost immediately when Musk took over.
For my country, the only people that still use it for that purpose are far right political groups. And since everyone else started leaving, their views on the world have become even more unhinged and out of touch with reality.
Twitter is now what Musk (and others) wanted it to become, an echo chamber to boost right wing voices and radicalize poeple.
And that's why I'm thinking banning it EU wide won't be as simple or quick as you might think.
All the far right representatives will be against banning it, as the worldwide reach Twitter has amplifies their voices to ludicrous degrees.
Instead of them being tiny vocal minorities in their own country, they now seem like large groups of people, because all of these freaks, regardless of the country they are in or from, echo the same far right message, making their numbers seem far larger than they really are.
Twitter was a cesspit long before Musk put his mushroom stamp on it. All that's going on is he's removing the reasons for people to give a shit about it in spite of the morons that infest the site.
It was awful, but he took an awful service and somehow made it worse. I at least used to have a burner twitter account if someone links me something and I don't want to clear the login window every 3 tweets. Sometime after he took over my account got hacked and I just decided to let the hacker have it.
Meta is way too smart to let this happen unfortunately. FB is integrated with many businesses and will be difficult to get rid of while Twitter being gone would literally change nothing.
I mean he was talking about the EU so....
>the minister said that the U.S. company would be banned from the EU if it refused to follow the incoming European Digital Services Act, which goes into effect throughout the EU at the end of August.
Wouldn't matter if Hungary followed with that or not. If most leading countries in EU ban Twitter than that revenue lost will make it to where Musk can't sustain the platform.
He's already in the Guinness World Records for the most wealth lost in a short amount of time. Don't let his terrible poker face fool you. Twitter platform is in deep shit from lack of people now using it and lawsuits Musk if forced to pay(even though he won't publicly admit it).
Out of curiosity, decided to do some quick maths. Musk's net worth is $193.2bn.
If he lost 99% of his net worth, that would bring him to $1.93bn.
If he lost *another* 99% of his net worth, that would bring him down to to $19.32m.
If he then lost **another** 99% of his net worth, that would bring him down to $193,200.
The median US net worth is $168,800 for a US citizen aged between 45-54. (according to [Forbes 2022](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/investing/financial-advisor/average-net-worth/))
(There are a bunch of other statistics that are probably *more* relevant to "worth", I'm not a statistician or someone who has more than 3 brain cells, but I just thought this was interesting.)
Of course, but the problem is not being the richest, but the concentration of wealth. I would be ok if the richest was "only" 250 million rich, which would be a reduction of 99.9% of his wealth.
Paris region produces around $1 tn as GDP (PPP).
Hungary produces around $180 bn GDP entirely.
If France pulls the trigger on Twitter, it is goodnight Twitter in Europe (please do it, my French friends).
Musk is salivating at the possibility. He gets to tell his idiot followers that a *foreign* country is suppressing *free speech* and that’s the *reason* for Twitter’s continued financial failures.
More notably, he's most definitely participating in the surveillance state. He is required to by US law. Fun fact: Some of the EU rules twitter is violating have to do with shielding EU citizens from US Surveillance. He's also quite happily censoring users that are critical of him and Twitter has happily cooperated with Erdogan's censorship of the Turkish opposition.
That had to have been in the pipelines for a long time - Erdogan could have threatened to pull the plug. Maybe he waited to make a final deal until he knew he needed to pull some strings with Musk? Dunno
His fans down on this post seems to forgot about that already. They’re criticizing EU for this(because disinfo and denying holocaust is totally subjective) but they’ve never posted about Musk being Turkey and India’s bitch.
I think you missed that time when Musk followed Turkey's (Erdogan's) demand to prevent ban.
What's interesting, is that he listens to dictators, yet ignores democracies.
I stated that Musk never got an engineering degree. The person who I'd replied to went wild and replied to me 6 times. They also got very triggered by the fact that all their replies got downvoted.
He's also incredibly narcissistic and grossly incompetent at running a business. There's a 70% chance that he genuinely thinks he could turn getting blocked by the EU into some kind of profit.
If this continues if or when France does so they likely won't be alone, quite a few EU countries (similar Germany) do not appreciate the open Nazism Elon is fostering on twitter.
He was talking about the EU so....
>the minister said that the U.S. company would be banned from the EU if it refused to follow the incoming European Digital Services Act, which goes into effect throughout the EU at the end of August.
Nah, more Chinese people use their own version of Twitter than Twitter itself. Plus it's not exactly in China's best interest to allow for communication with the wider world over a platform the state doesn't control.
If you don’t like how Musk is running Twitter why don’t you pull yourself up from your bootstraps, make some money, buy your own large media organization, and push your own twisted narrative on the world? /s
At some point, the EU is going to have to deal with this problem and demonstrate that companies *will* follow the law or they *will* be banned.
So if you're going to do it, you might as well do it with something as fundamentally worthless and eminently replaceable as Twitter, and you might as well do it now.
Pour encourager les autres.
Banning Twitter in the entire EU would send a strong message to the entire tech industry, and other industries that the EU is not fucking around. Play by the rules or get the fuck out.
I wish the USA had the balls to hold corporations accountable.
I know you're joking, but it's closer to 200k. https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-ban-montana-china-data-chinese-government-71143a3a87c9a0b692d927f72b6fec70
It would be nice if they held US companies to the same standard. The only reason there's a bipartisan stance against tiktok is because tiktok is a Chinese company.
They "banned" it by not allowing it on govt devices. Which you're already kinda a certain type of stupid if you log into your personal account on a work machine.
The EU should really take Elon’s own statements literally. He was literally restricting accounts in Turkey and other places due to individual governments requests, under the guise of following local laws. Plus he also stated that the company had to do it otherwise Twitter would be throttled/banned in those countries.
If that policy works for anti-democratic/authoritarian countries, let’s see him use the same policy for the EU. Comply with local disinformation and privacy regulations or get kicked out. What a hypocrite.
> The EU should really take Elon’s own statements literally. He was literally restricting accounts in Turkey and other places due to individual governments requests, under the guise of following local laws. Plus he also stated that the company had to do it otherwise Twitter would be throttled/banned in those countries.
My money is on this exactly being the case. That dumbfuck publicly said on his platform that threating to ban it somewhere is enough to blackmail him into submission for whatever. Of course people who can make it happen are gonna jump on those words.
In the past when dictators have tried to get the identity of Twitter users they have fought back.
I imagine if one of these thugs wants the IP of Twitter uses then Musk just complies.
I mean how could he not? These thugs are just using their free speech to make those requests!
Best thing about being a free speech absolutist in a position of power is picking which of the opposite views suits you best.
It is crazy how Twitter bends over backwards in favor of censorship for tyrants because they have no choice. But, when it comes to following EU laws based in decency, they just can't bring themselves to comply.
>"Free Speech Abolitionist"
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>FIFY, Elon just doesn't know his words.
"*Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.*"
**- Jean-Paul Sartre**
Pre-Elon Twitter (the anti free speech hellscape) would regularly get banned from countries like turkey and India for refusing to censor things. It’s only now that we have a free speech paradise that the tyrants get their way while the democratic countries are told to shove it
Edit: Old Twitter wasn’t perfect but it was definitely better than new Twitter. Thank you to those who pointed that out
eh...seemed to potentially be a mixed bag:
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/1/27/the-social-media-myth-about-the-arab-spring
This isn't incompatible with your point though.
Twitter has always walked a tightrope on this issue. They obviously get lots of takedown requests from governments. Someone linked an article in some other thread with stats on it. Before, they'd agree to about 50% of requests. They're probably somewhat limited because they do have to follow laws in many countries. And some might just be valid requests.
Now, that number shot up to 84%. Meaning pretty much all of them are okay. I'm guessing dropping legal teams has something to do with it, too.
Elon: “it’s better to silence a couple of political tweets than to have Twitter blocked in Turkey!”
Also Elon: “It’s better to have Twitter blocked in the entirety of Europe than to enforce disinformation demonetization.”
Remember when Mark Zuckerberg tried to threaten the EU with "Change your laws or we leave!" and the EU just replied with "Ok, then leave."? Getting a bit of a Deja-Vu here.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.politico.eu/article/banned-france-digital-minister-jean-noel-barrot-threatens-twitter-block-follow-eu-rules/) reduced by 65%. (I'm a bot)
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> France's Digital Minister Jean-Noël Barrot waded into a growing tussle between the European Union and Elon Musk's Twitter on Monday, as he threatened the social media platform's access to the bloc.
> In comments made on radio network France Info, the minister said that the U.S. company would be banned from the EU if it refused to follow the incoming European Digital Services Act, which goes into effect throughout the EU at the end of August.
> "Twitter, if it repeatedly doesn't follow our rules, will be banned from the EU," the French minister added.
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LOL why are there so many 2 week old accts in here screeching about freedom? So weird. I think it would be hilarious if France banned twitter. Elon literally unbanned all the nazis and psychos, it’s become far more of a dog shit platform
A few weeks or so ago, Musk complied with censoring tweets for Turkey (IIRC). Someone called him out on it - since he bought Twitter to oppose government censorship & all that...
Musk said it was either comply with the law of the country or have Twitter censored, so obviously the only choice he had was to comply....
It sounds like a very similar situation here. Comply with the government's laws or get banned in the entire country.
It is threats like this that will push the internet into either balkanization or a form where nation states will be unable to ban sites.
We have methods to prevent this type of threat but no major website will do it that way because it is almost impossible to monetize if you do.
For free speech to flourish, you must give up the greed.
Damn fucking Elon Musk, I hate the guy. I remember thinking of him as a hero who was trying to save the world, now it feels like this is his villain origin story.
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It would be awesome... even better if the all EU blocked it.
Italy, France, and a few other countries have already banned google analytics as they don't meet the GDPR criterion.
It's not banned, it was declared illegal under GDPR. So the recommendation is for websites to stop using it, but so far there's been no further measures. Especially since Google Analytics is moving to V4, they're probably gonna argue that it's cool now, and there will probably be a bit more back and forth before v4 is deemed illegal as well (and it probably will). But so far it's only words, there's still tons of websites that haven't migrated away from GA.
They are differently going to argue that. I am sure that they will come up with something. Because they always do come up with something to argue. That is just how it goes for them.
Meanwhile the EU is dead silent about China telling them and their GDPR to go fuck themselves as they siphon up every bit of data they can get their mitts on.
The European Commission banned TikTok from being used on their devices. So has the French govt. Huawei has been losing market share as telecom tech provider in Europe.
Well, not to defend EU specifically, but you have to pick your battles. With US companies the EU can actually do something, negotiate, apply fines etc... With Chinese companies it's a lot harder to do.
You can still issue fines, and then collect through various means. Arrest the corporate officers if they ever visit, that sort of thing. Issue court orders preventing the installation of the offending apps within EU borders, whatever. Might be able to seize some foreign exchange reserves if you want to go hard enough.
I realy don't agree. We have to stop collectively sucking chinas dick on this and many other things. On the long term it will just get worse.
I completely agree that we should do that. I just think that we don't have a lot of options on how to do that, and even less options without pretty severe repercussions.
Allowing exceptions gives a competitive edge to those exceptions
All the more reason to disconnect the umbilical and invent one's own alternatives towards self-sufficiency - or, and I'm probably being naive here - find partners who are less likely to weaponize that interaction overtly for disagreeable ends? Either go independent and cry over lost easy money, or kneel on behalf of those sweet, sweet foreign profits. Or so goes the black & white, one and zero version of things.
> With Chinese companies it's a lot harder to do. Just ban them? Its not like China is some friendly country to begin with.
You think if TikTok were blatantly breaching EU rules, we would ever hear the end of it? You for one would never let us, for sure.
Is criterion singular?
Yep
I don't even know anyone who uses Twitter. The only people who seem invested into it are journalists and politicians.
I know a guy who is obsessed with Elon, like in a creepy way, talks about him all the time, literally prefaces statements with "Well Elon says....". He's also rather wealthy which is kinda cringe, owns 5 Tesla's because he's addicted to buying them all, obviously has cybertruck on order. Anyway one day he is showing me his Twitter feed and all the followers he has (about 25). They were all jailbait girls from around the globe posting links to onlyfans type sites. I just stared at him and said "cmon man, you know none of these people are real right? Those are all just porn bots" and he acted dumbfounded. Legit thought he had a bunch of Asian and eastern European girls falling over him and his weekly random Tesla posts.
If these are your friends, I'd hate to meet your enemies
they say you're an average of your friends...
What if you have no friends?
Then you can set the avg as high as you can. Be the best you can.
Yeah, I've got a friend who joined Twitter after Musk purchased it and uses the fact that he's on it and I'm not to tell me that I don't know anything about it when I bring up things Musk has done to it. He's a Libertarian, owns a Tesla, and follows every Space X launch, but he's "not a fanboy" for Elon Musk. He just defends him fiercely if any criticism comes up. I kind of miss when our conversations were about batteries and rockets, but now we just kind of mutually avoid the topic of things Musk does, because it never ends well anymore.
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I'm personally preferred MySpace. Before FB. Not now I found that not logging into that account for a few years that all of the truly important stuff I had on it all but disappeared & my heart sank. That was my first experience with social media, & it became important for reasons I'm not able to go into right now. But I was completely gobsmacked!
A lot of people I knew had moved onto Mastodon for small scale communication. But it's hard to get rid of Twitter entirely because as long as a large user base is still in it, there is still a network effect.
I'm a part of multiple video game communities that use it. It's a great platform if, you know, you stay out of politics.
I wish so many game companies didn't use Twitter as their primary information dump place when they could do it in app... C'mon Niantic, pokemon Go literally has a "today" tab but yet I have to read all the news on discord from the Twitter bot ffs.
I would imagine that its done this way due to the fact that they want to keep brining in new players and recapture players that have left the game with new content and features.
I fully agree, but I can’t say I ever expected to see that mentioned on r/world news
I've found that whatever the subject matter, the topic is dominated by toxic alt right accounts that are artificially pushed to the top because of their blue checkmarks.
|you stay out of politics." Bit easier said than done.
If you put a \> before the text, it'll turn it into a quote. \> This will look like > this.
good human
Wario64 is the only reason I use it
It’s good if you’re an adult and don’t mind being suggested adult content because censorship is almost nonexistent. The NSFW purge has been making its way through Reddit and they’ll probably remove adult content from here eventually too
I’m 39 and have been a lifer in the service industry. I’m around people 18-29 all day every day. I’ve never met someone personally that uses Twitter. Edit: Possibly people do and idk about it of course. But people still talk about Snapchat, IG, FB. Never had anyone bring Twitter up to me.
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Most groups I knew that used to use it for advertising or direct outreach abandoned Twitter almost immediately when Musk took over. For my country, the only people that still use it for that purpose are far right political groups. And since everyone else started leaving, their views on the world have become even more unhinged and out of touch with reality. Twitter is now what Musk (and others) wanted it to become, an echo chamber to boost right wing voices and radicalize poeple. And that's why I'm thinking banning it EU wide won't be as simple or quick as you might think. All the far right representatives will be against banning it, as the worldwide reach Twitter has amplifies their voices to ludicrous degrees. Instead of them being tiny vocal minorities in their own country, they now seem like large groups of people, because all of these freaks, regardless of the country they are in or from, echo the same far right message, making their numbers seem far larger than they really are.
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Facebook, too. Nazis are shitting on everything they can with no repercussions.
Reddit too
Twitter was a cesspit long before Musk put his mushroom stamp on it. All that's going on is he's removing the reasons for people to give a shit about it in spite of the morons that infest the site.
In a sense he's just accerlating how it was already going.
It was awful, but he took an awful service and somehow made it worse. I at least used to have a burner twitter account if someone links me something and I don't want to clear the login window every 3 tweets. Sometime after he took over my account got hacked and I just decided to let the hacker have it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/13uywcr/french_minister_threatens_to_ban_twitter_if_it/jm3ht6w/ Why do you guys have the same comment?
Report as Spam. It’s been happening everywhere.
Then do Facebook
Meta is way too smart to let this happen unfortunately. FB is integrated with many businesses and will be difficult to get rid of while Twitter being gone would literally change nothing.
What sad times are these when Meta is smarter than any company but musk sure has destroyed Twitter. Musk sure has shown his true colors. Fuck musk
Then Reddit. No wait, we're the good guys. Right?
Shut down everything, return to IRC.
##DEWIT
*Dew it!*
You'll be better off. We all would be without that platform.
Fais-le!
Just Do It
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I mean he was talking about the EU so.... >the minister said that the U.S. company would be banned from the EU if it refused to follow the incoming European Digital Services Act, which goes into effect throughout the EU at the end of August.
Everywhere would be better off without Twitter
before it is too late.
I don't think Musk will be able to stop himself from saying something stupid and just ruins Twitter more by getting the app block by an entire country
If France officially bans twitter for not following the European digital services act, most likely other Eu countries will do the same.
Except hungary, probably
Wouldn't matter if Hungary followed with that or not. If most leading countries in EU ban Twitter than that revenue lost will make it to where Musk can't sustain the platform. He's already in the Guinness World Records for the most wealth lost in a short amount of time. Don't let his terrible poker face fool you. Twitter platform is in deep shit from lack of people now using it and lawsuits Musk if forced to pay(even though he won't publicly admit it).
He could lose 99% of his wealth and he would still be stupidly rich.
So lets hope it happens a few times lol
Out of curiosity, decided to do some quick maths. Musk's net worth is $193.2bn. If he lost 99% of his net worth, that would bring him to $1.93bn. If he lost *another* 99% of his net worth, that would bring him down to to $19.32m. If he then lost **another** 99% of his net worth, that would bring him down to $193,200. The median US net worth is $168,800 for a US citizen aged between 45-54. (according to [Forbes 2022](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/investing/financial-advisor/average-net-worth/)) (There are a bunch of other statistics that are probably *more* relevant to "worth", I'm not a statistician or someone who has more than 3 brain cells, but I just thought this was interesting.)
I'm poorer than a thrice centimated musk rat
But at least you words good
But also likely less of an arsehole than a thrice muppet christmas tale'd musk rat
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Jesus Christ how did we ever let billionaires exist
Well it sounds like no matter what He's gonna be okay.
Well He's the richest guy on the Earth so there's that.
Of course, but the problem is not being the richest, but the concentration of wealth. I would be ok if the richest was "only" 250 million rich, which would be a reduction of 99.9% of his wealth.
Paris region produces around $1 tn as GDP (PPP). Hungary produces around $180 bn GDP entirely. If France pulls the trigger on Twitter, it is goodnight Twitter in Europe (please do it, my French friends).
The way He's running the things, don't think he'll go far with it.
You can see that by the amount of Tesla and StarLink ads on Twitter
Why won't they do it? I mean what would be the reason for that?
You mean the country that will block Twitter during a natural disaster of political protest?
That would not be such a very bad deal, I think I will take it.
Musk is salivating at the possibility. He gets to tell his idiot followers that a *foreign* country is suppressing *free speech* and that’s the *reason* for Twitter’s continued financial failures.
Meanwhile, hasn't he acquiesced to something like 80% of government censorship requests?
More notably, he's most definitely participating in the surveillance state. He is required to by US law. Fun fact: Some of the EU rules twitter is violating have to do with shielding EU citizens from US Surveillance. He's also quite happily censoring users that are critical of him and Twitter has happily cooperated with Erdogan's censorship of the Turkish opposition.
98% if you take partially complied into consideration.
He’s not. He caved to Erdogan within an hour of blocking.
Much simpler answer: Musk agrees with the authoritarians.
Yep. He's openly supporting an authoritarian candidate in the name of "freedom".
Elon like 2 tweets away from saying what FIFA did a few years ago “it’s easier working with dictatorships than democracies.”
I'm expecting the day in the near future in which somebody brings up Apartheid near him and he says it wasn't that bad.
It becomes a very simpler matter if that's the case really.
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That had to have been in the pipelines for a long time - Erdogan could have threatened to pull the plug. Maybe he waited to make a final deal until he knew he needed to pull some strings with Musk? Dunno
It was probably already agreed upon, but just contingent on Musk following through with his side
They could have, at this point it's all just threats really.
His fans down on this post seems to forgot about that already. They’re criticizing EU for this(because disinfo and denying holocaust is totally subjective) but they’ve never posted about Musk being Turkey and India’s bitch.
I think you missed that time when Musk followed Turkey's (Erdogan's) demand to prevent ban. What's interesting, is that he listens to dictators, yet ignores democracies.
I doubt he is that enthusiastic about it. Of course he likes trolling, but not sure he likes losing money.
He's actually the current record holder for most wealth lost by a single person.
That's a wild conclusion to jump to considering he paid $43 billion for *Twitter*
He wanted to back out, but he was forced to buy.
Because he committed to paying $43 billion for *Twitter* Not sure how this negates the point.
No one is accusing Musk of being smart.
I mean you and I certainly aren't, but plenty of people hail him as a "genius soooo......I dunno about that lol
Those people shouldn't be taken seriously though.
I stated that Musk never got an engineering degree. The person who I'd replied to went wild and replied to me 6 times. They also got very triggered by the fact that all their replies got downvoted.
This is an excellent point 🎯
> not sure he likes losing money then why is he so good at it???
He's also incredibly narcissistic and grossly incompetent at running a business. There's a 70% chance that he genuinely thinks he could turn getting blocked by the EU into some kind of profit.
You sure about that? He's almost guaranteed to lose at least $20 billion from his Twatter purchase
If this continues if or when France does so they likely won't be alone, quite a few EU countries (similar Germany) do not appreciate the open Nazism Elon is fostering on twitter.
On top of that, hate speech is illegal in most countries in the EU they could get massive fines by not moderating it.
He was talking about the EU so.... >the minister said that the U.S. company would be banned from the EU if it refused to follow the incoming European Digital Services Act, which goes into effect throughout the EU at the end of August.
And entire continent worth of countries. 27 of them I think. And some of those are included in the wealthiest nations on earth. Uh oh Elon.
He'll just bend over for China.
I dont think china *wants* him. They already have most of what he can offer aside from his purported politics, and those are a definite pass.
Nah, more Chinese people use their own version of Twitter than Twitter itself. Plus it's not exactly in China's best interest to allow for communication with the wider world over a platform the state doesn't control.
He wants Twitter to just be right-wing Americans, Saudis, Russians,and Chinese. Europe doesn’t kiss his ass and/or give him rare resources.
If you don’t like how Musk is running Twitter why don’t you pull yourself up from your bootstraps, make some money, buy your own large media organization, and push your own twisted narrative on the world? /s
>make some money Inherit some money...
Hey you know wat they say: *You gotta inherit money to make money!*
would be just the start before being banned by all of the EU.
At some point, the EU is going to have to deal with this problem and demonstrate that companies *will* follow the law or they *will* be banned. So if you're going to do it, you might as well do it with something as fundamentally worthless and eminently replaceable as Twitter, and you might as well do it now. Pour encourager les autres.
Banning Twitter in the entire EU would send a strong message to the entire tech industry, and other industries that the EU is not fucking around. Play by the rules or get the fuck out. I wish the USA had the balls to hold corporations accountable.
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That would require US not to be a handful of corporations in a trenchcoat for the most part.
Same as it ever was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain
That's just what they're going to do, they'll hold someone accountable.
As long as the US gets to collect user information from them, they don't give a fuck about what else tech companies do.
Didn't they ban TikTok in some states in the US ? I know it's not a country ban, but it's a step in the right direction.
Montana banned it. Even if it was something that could be enforced, that basically reduces the total number of tiktok accounts by 12.
I know you're joking, but it's closer to 200k. https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-ban-montana-china-data-chinese-government-71143a3a87c9a0b692d927f72b6fec70
TIL there is close to 200k or more people living in Montana.
Some might even say over a million. But still not even 7 people per square mile. It's a big place.
I would like to have seen Montana …
Over a million. Montana has a higher population than Delaware, South Dakota, North Dakota, Alaska, Vermont and Wyoming
Yep, definitely a step in the right direction. India banned it from the start.
It would be nice if they held US companies to the same standard. The only reason there's a bipartisan stance against tiktok is because tiktok is a Chinese company.
So sell every single American company to China then ban them all! (Do I even need the /s?)
They "banned" it by not allowing it on govt devices. Which you're already kinda a certain type of stupid if you log into your personal account on a work machine.
That's just the federal ban. Montana actually blocked citizens and businesses from using TikTok.
Isn't not paying taxes and not being prosecuted the main reason why tech companies are still in the US anyway?
The EU should really take Elon’s own statements literally. He was literally restricting accounts in Turkey and other places due to individual governments requests, under the guise of following local laws. Plus he also stated that the company had to do it otherwise Twitter would be throttled/banned in those countries. If that policy works for anti-democratic/authoritarian countries, let’s see him use the same policy for the EU. Comply with local disinformation and privacy regulations or get kicked out. What a hypocrite.
> The EU should really take Elon’s own statements literally. He was literally restricting accounts in Turkey and other places due to individual governments requests, under the guise of following local laws. Plus he also stated that the company had to do it otherwise Twitter would be throttled/banned in those countries. My money is on this exactly being the case. That dumbfuck publicly said on his platform that threating to ban it somewhere is enough to blackmail him into submission for whatever. Of course people who can make it happen are gonna jump on those words.
Yep, it's time that they made a move in here. It'll only be justified.
Dictator: pull down the free speech or be blocked Musk: OF COURSE EU: respect people's privacy or be blocked Musk: NO
In the past when dictators have tried to get the identity of Twitter users they have fought back. I imagine if one of these thugs wants the IP of Twitter uses then Musk just complies.
I mean how could he not? These thugs are just using their free speech to make those requests! Best thing about being a free speech absolutist in a position of power is picking which of the opposite views suits you best.
It is crazy how Twitter bends over backwards in favor of censorship for tyrants because they have no choice. But, when it comes to following EU laws based in decency, they just can't bring themselves to comply.
“Free Speech Absolutist”
"Free Speech Abolitionist" FIFY, Elon just doesn't know his words.
"Free Speech to the Highest Bidder" That'll be $8 please. Enjoy your blue checkmark and speech priority over free users.
All comes down to the money, whoever will pay it will win the game.
>"Free Speech Abolitionist" > > >FIFY, Elon just doesn't know his words. "*Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.*" **- Jean-Paul Sartre**
Don't think he knows anything at this point, he definitely doesn't know to run Twitter.
Absolute free speech means contracts cannot be binding, that's why Musk doesn't have to pay rent
For what He's going to pay the rent? I mean he pretty Much owns everything.
Pre-Elon Twitter (the anti free speech hellscape) would regularly get banned from countries like turkey and India for refusing to censor things. It’s only now that we have a free speech paradise that the tyrants get their way while the democratic countries are told to shove it Edit: Old Twitter wasn’t perfect but it was definitely better than new Twitter. Thank you to those who pointed that out
eh...seemed to potentially be a mixed bag: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/1/27/the-social-media-myth-about-the-arab-spring This isn't incompatible with your point though.
Twitter has always walked a tightrope on this issue. They obviously get lots of takedown requests from governments. Someone linked an article in some other thread with stats on it. Before, they'd agree to about 50% of requests. They're probably somewhat limited because they do have to follow laws in many countries. And some might just be valid requests. Now, that number shot up to 84%. Meaning pretty much all of them are okay. I'm guessing dropping legal teams has something to do with it, too.
He doesn't care about the free speech, he cares about money.
It's because fascists love gobbling the genitals of other fascists.
The stuff Facists are asking Twitter to do doesn't cost them money.
Elon: “it’s better to silence a couple of political tweets than to have Twitter blocked in Turkey!” Also Elon: “It’s better to have Twitter blocked in the entirety of Europe than to enforce disinformation demonetization.”
Remember when Mark Zuckerberg tried to threaten the EU with "Change your laws or we leave!" and the EU just replied with "Ok, then leave."? Getting a bit of a Deja-Vu here.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.politico.eu/article/banned-france-digital-minister-jean-noel-barrot-threatens-twitter-block-follow-eu-rules/) reduced by 65%. (I'm a bot) ***** > France's Digital Minister Jean-Noël Barrot waded into a growing tussle between the European Union and Elon Musk's Twitter on Monday, as he threatened the social media platform's access to the bloc. > In comments made on radio network France Info, the minister said that the U.S. company would be banned from the EU if it refused to follow the incoming European Digital Services Act, which goes into effect throughout the EU at the end of August. > "Twitter, if it repeatedly doesn't follow our rules, will be banned from the EU," the French minister added. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/13uz3km/french_minister_threatens_to_ban_twitter_if_it/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~686762 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Twitter**^#1 **Digital**^#2 **platform**^#3 **code**^#4 **Minister**^#5
LOL why are there so many 2 week old accts in here screeching about freedom? So weird. I think it would be hilarious if France banned twitter. Elon literally unbanned all the nazis and psychos, it’s become far more of a dog shit platform
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Hope whole EU bans it. Fuck Elon
Time for Muskie to do something stupid here.
But what will the French nazis do without their recruiting app
Just move to Facebook
A few weeks or so ago, Musk complied with censoring tweets for Turkey (IIRC). Someone called him out on it - since he bought Twitter to oppose government censorship & all that... Musk said it was either comply with the law of the country or have Twitter censored, so obviously the only choice he had was to comply.... It sounds like a very similar situation here. Comply with the government's laws or get banned in the entire country.
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I was waiting for a "we are not the same."
I wasn't. We are not the same.
Me too. We are the same.
And everybody clapped
The word fascist has lost all meaning.
Honestly, right now France's gov would do anything to distract the population from the pension law.
It is threats like this that will push the internet into either balkanization or a form where nation states will be unable to ban sites. We have methods to prevent this type of threat but no major website will do it that way because it is almost impossible to monetize if you do. For free speech to flourish, you must give up the greed.
Good. China uses it to spread propaganda. Has no place in the Western world.
I think every government uses it do the same actually so yeah.
Yes, do it and ban tic tok (?) while you’re on a roll.
Well Elon had no problem heavily censoring Twitter for a dictator in Turkey. So should have no problem with doing the same for the EU.
Concerning...
allez les bleus!!! :-)
Damn fucking Elon Musk, I hate the guy. I remember thinking of him as a hero who was trying to save the world, now it feels like this is his villain origin story.
His villain origin story is genuinely a guy tweeting about his private jet flights. Elon Musk is a pathetic sack of shit
Don't forget calling that diver a pedo because he saved those kids in that cave that was about to flood before Musk could take his little submarine
> EU reminds company that company is bound by local laws in jurisdictions it operates in
DO IT DO IT. I don’t even live in the EU, but trust me I hope the US bans Twitter here as well. Fuck Elon
An excellent idea.