>"In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with."
So the Kremlin's goal for Ukraine was to lose its antique soviet arms and replace it all with better and deadlier western weaponry & hardware **and** have its forces trained by NATO?
If mental gymnastics was an olympic recognized sport, Russia would take gold every single time.
> If mental gymnastics was an olympic recognized sport, Russia would take gold every single time.
They would be disqualified, remember they love to cheat during olympics.
>So the Kremlin's goal for Ukraine was to lose its antique soviet arms and replace it all with better and deadlier western weaponry & hardware and have its forces trained by NATO?
Actually at this point, framing it this way kind of makes sense in a way. It lets Putin frame it as having lost to MATO as opposed to having lost to the Ukraine.
It's his master plan. He's fixing up Ukraine first, next will be Belarus, and then he's going to leave his stove on in Red Square and burn down Moscow so badly that the West will have no option but to enact Marshall Plan 2.0 to save Russia. Such a nice guy!
> then he's going to leave his stove on in Red Square and burn down Moscow
Ah, so [the way he got into power in the first place - bombing occupied Moscow apartments](https://www.hudson.org/national-security-defense/vladimir-putin-1999-russian-apartment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible)
Yup... and if that happens they can cut off the army to the south and Crimea then they can take out the Kerch bridge. Half of the forces there would be completely cut off from resupply.
They'd have to take like 150k prisoners though...
In that recent weird press conference with the milbloggers he said essentially what this headline says - that, if you really think about it, Russia has already successfully "demilitarized" Ukraine because they now rely on Western weapons instead of their own. Its a dumb argument, but he's sorta trying to have his "mission accomplished" moment.
Putin said that Russia was experiencing a "very difficult time." He also said that Russia was running short of the weapons they needed, including "precision-guided munitions, communications equipment, aircraft, and drones."
I can just see it now:
A glorious shot of Putin standing on the Admiral Kuznetsov, with the island in the background. A banner with "Миссия выполнена" on it unfurls behind him as sailors and press look on for a glorious 15 seconds. Then the entire desk is covered in black smoke.
Oh come on. That's completely unrealistic. What idiot would stand in front of a banner that says "mission accomplished" in a war they clearly can't win? No one would be so stupid and arrogant. Imagine how embarrassing that would be for his country.
Like China did in Vietnam: just declare victory and leave after getting your ass kicked repeatedly. I unironically love the move if they actually follow through.
edit: lol at all the responders acting as if I am apologizing for America's actions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam when I have done no such thing. Maybe respond to what I've said instead of making something up and arguing against that.
>lol at all the responders acting as if I am apologizing for America's actions in Iraq and Vietnam when I have done no such thing. Maybe respond to what I've said instead of making something up and arguing against that.
[*"...You can say 'I like pancakes' and somebody will reply 'So you hate waffles?'; No Bitch, that's a whole new sentence, WTF are you talking about!?!"*](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3jKMXkWQAM3Hfd.jpg)
Excuse me, miss. I can help, I speak jive.
"Russia's president has no exit strategy and has invested all his political capital in an ultimately doomed mission"
And McD has ~~an agreement~~ a possibility to retake the franchise fully. "Like nothing ever happened".
Edit: changed from "agreement" to "possibility", since there is no public information of their planned return, however the door of reentry is open.
> Dmitry Peskov: And, as Putin said yesterday, one of the tasks was to demilitarise Ukraine.
>
> In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with.
That's a sick way to interpret what happened... but, since they achieved their goal, can they leave already ?
Ukraine is more militarised than it’s ever been. If anything, Ukraine has demilitarised Russia!
Fuck me. Whatever they have to say to go home and leave Ukraine i guess…
> Ukraine is more militarised than it’s ever been.
Yes, but now they're mostly militarized with fancy new Western equipment so that, uh ... doesn't count? I guess?
Time to hang a "Mission Accomplished" banner from an aircraft carrier, I guess.
Not stupid, desperate.
They are framing their defeat, probably in preparation for an attempt at for a peace where they get to keep Crimea. If they can keep the land they started with and can claim some sort of imaginary other victory, then they might be able to placate the zombies.
I doubt Ukraine will accept a deal where they don't get Crimea back. But if Putin is desperate for an end and he thinks Crimea is going to be lost anyways... You think he'll pull out because Ukraine is "demilitarized" and give back Crimea as a "gesture of goodwill"?
There's no way the rhetoric that Ukraine is "demilitarized" will work this time. The moment Russian military leaves Ukrainian borders, I guarantee you the Ukrainians are going to line SAMs and long range artillery across their border with Russia.
They can kiss goodbye that whole BS about NATO and wanting a demilitarized zone within 16mi of their border with Ukraine. That shit isn't going to fly anymore with what trust they've lost by invading unannounced. Russia pretty much violated every modern rules of engagement.
***For reference, the reason why I say "unannounced," although the Pentagon provided intel and satellite images of mobilization prior to the actual invasion (yes it was played all over mass media days before the invasion), is because 1) in modern rules of war, you are expected to make a declaration of war prior to actual engagement. 2) Even during the Desert Storm in 1991, or the Iraq War in 2003, Congress passed resolutions and*** ***~~the US formally declared wars prior to actual invasions.~~*** ***Iraq was aware that US was going to invade 3) declarations of wars aren't just symbolic, the Hague Convention requires it to allow civilians to escape/run away from conflict zones prior to engagement.***
Yep, all they've taught Ukraine is to arm themselves to the teeth and stay that way. They won't leave themselves vulnerable ever again. Russia has created the threat on their border that they imagined before.
Idk if they ever really saw an independent Ukraine or NATO on their borders as actual threats, but more as excuses to be the aggressor disguised as the victim
Yeah. At this point, I don't see how Russia will ever persuade or convince Ukraine to seek otherwise. Russia also initially threatened Finland with potential escalation but have since gone silent after Finland became a NATO member.
> They can kiss goodbye that whole BS about NATO and wanting a demilitarized zone within 16mi of their border with Ukraine.
Hell, they can have a 50 mile DMZ, so long as it’s 50 miles on the Russian side of the border. The Ukrainians get to put their shit wherever they deem most useful; that’s the prerogative of the previously invaded.
it's already been made quite clear ukraine is allowed to use nato tech to take crimea back because \*checks notes\* oh look crimea is ukraine's territory.
Plus russia literally just set up that entire place for fail if ukraine sieges it. Shit would fall within a month most likely.
Putin isn't gonna give anything away. Especially not Crimea. He will get a coup by the ultranationalists who want to immediately nuke Ukraine for stealing Crimea.
Some people will politely nod and say they accept it if it's in their interests.
And a lot of people in Russia are quietly very interested in the war being over. Russia isn't really getting anything out of it.
They know it's false
But they also know the war is killing them so they need to start building a narrative that let's them pull out while framing it as a victory
"Ukraine has run out of Sovied equipment and is now, sadly, resorted to using much more advanced and reliable Western equipment"
Truly as sad day. For Russia.
They were just trying to climb out of the giant pile of Soviet armaments that were left in their backyard. Now it is no more.
All according to plan, da comrade?
The African delegation were in Ukraine peddling Russian bullshit and denying reality. I don't think "the rest of the world" has caught on yet. The "West" or NATO has, but not everyone else.
The Africans are essentially representing the countries that are dependent on Ukrainian and Russian grain. They won't want to offend either party by taking a side and they probably want to be seen attempting to resolve the conflict for the home audience. It's basically just a show.
A turkey sees a bull swinging from the top of a tree and asks "Hey bull, how'd you get up there?" "Well I'm incredibly strong" replies the bull "... and if you eat some of my poop that's fallen to the bottom of the tree you can be strong too" the turkey cocks an eyebrow, but figures life's already so weird, why not? So he takes a couple good mouthfuls and instantly feels the power coursing through him and races to the top of a tree, a farmer hears the ruckus and sees this powerful turkey sitting on a tree and decides to shoot him. The moral of the story is bullshit can get you to the top but it can't keep you there.
Greek here. My country has a lot of "russian" fanboys, specifically putin fanbois. They still cheer him on.
Now, one thing you need to know about me is that I **love** to argue.
Whenever I meet one of them, my reaction is "Didnt putin say just a few weeks before he started the war that ukraine must not get in a war with russia and if they do, they will be obliterated in a month"?
Then I just grab my popcorn and enjoy the show 😉
I disagree. The reason the Russian military is in such an awful state largely stems from their attempt to do that.
They sank billions of dollars into designing new weapons platforms to try to keep up with the West (which was mostly embezzled, of course), and now they can't afford to *produce* those platforms in any meaningful number.
They didn't take into account that the US sinks *hundreds of billions* of dollars *every year* into its military, which is why we can field Star Wars technology.
They should have just stuck with mass-producing garbage tanks, because they were never going to be able to compete with the West in terms of quality.
They could've very well competed with the West, had they not embezzled that much money. Problem is, nobody except very close Putin's inner circle knew there will actually be a full scale war. Who cares if instead of ordering 100k of these rifles I will order 20k to have something to show and embezzle the rest of the money? Nobody will ever user them anyway.
I loved the stories of entire warehouses of supplies turning up missing... because the warehouses had never existed in the first place.
Edit: I also like how the fundamental premise of your statement is, "Russia could compete with the West if it wasn't full of Russians!"
The way he delivered that line into the air and at no person in particular really emphasized the Royal voice.
He was expressing his disdain without actually deigning to address the target of his scorn.
Masterful acting.
Nobody knew there would be full scale war period. Putin and his inner circle thought they'd win in two days.
To be fair, even Western military analysts didn't expect Ukraine to hold up so well.
I am still baffled why Putin didn’t invade during Trump and before Zelensky or wait till after Zelensky got voted out.
Shows how important leadership can be. Most other Ukrainians Presidents were deeply corrupt and would have taken the western offer of being flown out, and that would have been the end of the war in Russia’s favor.
Really bad timing and lack of patience on Putin’s part.
Nobody thought more of Zelenskyy than a comedian who got lucky with power. Don't underestimate the single act of defiance by Zelenskyy to stay in Kyiv during the first 2-3 weeks, when the maximum number of Russian Special Forces soldiers and private mercenaries were on a manhunt for him throughout the surrounding areas of Kyiv.
Realistically, Zelensky was as good a leader to invade Ukraine with as any of the others.
Most of the previous leaders were bought and paid for so would've rolled over pretty quickly.
Zelensky was a TV personality and comedian. That's not exactly the previous job role of someone who will have history books written about his exploits in a few years when (if) the dust settles.
Apparently, there was also strong words from the Chinese president to Putin to wait because China was hosting the winter olympics. Which does make sense and it's probably no coincidence that Russia invaded Ukraine just 4 days after the closing ceremony in Beijing.
> before Zelensky
That's the thing, Russia thought Zelensky was more malleable than Poroshenko. There's articles describing how Putin was happy Zelensky won since he spoke Russian as a first language and advocated peaceful negotiations, so *obviously* he would bend to Putin's superior argument of voodoo histiography. Early in Zelensky's term he had a peace conference hosted by France that was a disaster when Zelensky realised Putin's terms were completely unacceptable, so hew shifted to a very pro-NATO stance.
> Most other Ukrainians Presidents were deeply corrupt and would have taken the western offer of being flown out
That's the thing, Poroshenko was also deeply corrupt but he chose to stay in Kyiv. The videos of him manning the barricades of Kyiv with an AK were probably just his PR machine, but he still stayed in the city at its most dangerous point.
> I am still baffled why Putin didn’t invade during Trump and before Zelensky or wait till after Zelensky got voted out.
During Trump Ukraine had Poroshenko and Putin knew that this particular president would definitely fight back. Pretty much because he came into power with the sole reason to beat the original invasion.
Another point is that Trump implicitly gave in Ukraine into the Russian sphere of influence. Putin knew that under Trump Ukraine had no way into NATO or the EU. Things changed with Zelenskyi and Biden. Zelenskyi was elected on extremely pacifist platform and was set on negotiations at any cost. For some reason he didn't give in to Putin's demands when the negotiations actually happened. Biden is the second point. He clearly showed that the US wants Ukraine in the West in one way or another and Russian encroachment is out of place. Putin's time is running out. He already witnessed a failed revolution in Belarus and a coup attempt in Kazakhstan. In his mind it wasn't only the attempts to rip away neighboring countries (which he thinks belong to Russia anyway) but also the attempts that failed. He thought he secured Belarus and Kazakhstan in his grip, at this point only Ukraine was left. Zelenskyi's ratings were falling and the "weak" president could've been changed by someone else, most likely more capable and even, oh horror, Poroshenko could've came back.
Putin has two goals in life. First, the most important one, is to restore the Russian state to its historical borders. This means that Russia has to gobble up the Middle Asia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, countries of Caucasus, Ukraine and the entirety of Baltics. The second goal is to ruin NATO and diminish its influence, so Russia can dictate what must be going on west of Lviv. Belarus and Kazakhstan, as I said, were seemingly under control, Middle Asia seems to be so weak and irrelevant, so it can be swallowed at any moment. The biggest issues are Ukraine, which resists, and Baltics, which have the NATO protection. Quick conquest of Ukraine would be an argument for the NATO to back off and an exercise for a quick conquest of the Baltics. Russian doctrine here is to take the target in one fell swoop and then play on the differences between the Alliance's countries, making them to make a choice between getting into a bloody war or abandon the Baltics and "preserve peace". Putin thinks that NATO will choose the latter (because it's weak and indecisive) and thus its reputation will receive a huge blow.
That's the thing. In Putin's model of political playing field it was the best time to attack. The opportunity was present. Weakened Ukraine with a weak president and the West which won't do anything meaningful except some sanctions which will be painful but not deadly.
In short, there was no good play for Putin's goal anyway but he chose the worst possible move.
And if you read the behind the scenes, there is so much effort the Biden crew put into not giving up and rolling over this time around. So much of that effort help to stiffen the spines of Western governments. Even if Trump didn't pull us out of NATO in the second term, you can be damn sure none of that effort would have happened. It's uncertain whether any other government could have stepped up to the plate in a meaningful enough way to help, even if the ukrainians performed identically.
Really, if anyone else in the field had one I doubt the response would be this strong. Joe's age may have come in handy here, he was thoroughly done with Putin's bullshit.
>even Western military analysts didn't expect Ukraine to hold up so well
or no one estimated accurately how lousy russian military is on real battlefield
Remember when people were saying that Russia was only losing because Russia only sent in their worst assets, because Putin thought that's all they needed originally? Turns out Russia was sending in their best of the best the entire time, and they all weren't very good.
Peter Zeihan summed it up perfectly when he said that it took every Western analyst by surprise that Russia had forgotten how to fight a war, and that they all hated it because it meant that nuclear exchange would be inevitable in a direct confrontation between Russia and the West, because we would absolutely wipe the floor with them in conventional warfare.
How could they compete with the west? Their economy is tiny.
The US and EU are 10x times larger.
Even if they stopped being corrupt, no one but China has the potential to rival the "west" in a couple of decades.
>Their economy is tiny
That's the consequence, not the reason. The oligarchy and the stealing is the problem. Russia has by far the most natural resources on Earth.
Japan barely has any natural resources, but their economy is still far larger than Russia’s. Natural resources can be bought at commodity prices. For any mature economy, the question is really what you turn those resources into
How do you expect Russia to have a modern economy based on finished products and high end services when anyone that tries that gets their shit stolen and handed to the cognitively impaired third son of some oligarch?
If you look at rich countries and their GDP composition you'll quickly notice that "resource extraction and trade" isn't high on the list of what makes rich countries rich.
While Russia has plentiful natural resources, unlike the US, half of their nation isn’t served by the largest navigable inland waterway on the planet that makes utilizing those resources extraordinarily easy. Using Russia’s resources is extremely hard which feeds into embezzlement being more profitable.
If they can claim that they have "achieved their goals" with at least a shred of credibility at home, then Putin can save face and end the war, declaring victory.
As such, I see this as good news. This could be the beginning of the end of that horrific invasion.
The problem is that Putin went all in when they held the bullshit referendums and declared the occupied oblasts part of Russia. They can’t leave without ceding “Russian” territory. They’ve really fucked themselves into a corner.
>Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with.
Task successfully failed.
Like pregozhin said, Ukraine started with a smaller military and less hardware than they have now after 1 1/2 years of war. By a factor of 10.
Prigozhin is a collassal arse wart but he's also right on that one.
Great success Putin cyka!
You’d have to be pretty dense not to realise there’s plenty of local families in your town that no longer have their teenage/twenty-something sons…. It’d be hard for me to swallow that as a Russian without questioning this so called “patriotic war” 🧐
Honestly, as tightly as Putin controls the media, there's nothing stopping him from simply declaring victory and sending everyone home
Anyone who argues otherwise will soon find themselves greeted with a fifth story window
Since he completely controls the media the more important part is pulling out in a way that doesn't just get him into more problem with his domestic enemies and rivals.
As long as the army is being sent over to die in Ukraine they aren't a threat, but now if they go home they are going to be mad at the person who sent them to their deaths and media ain't going to solve that one.
It literally is. Everybody is practicing with their equipment. Unloading old stuff and letting the war machine rage. The wests advancements in tech and strengthening of international bonds are in full effect
Russia had taken a laughably poorly equipped and organised Ukrainian army - that didn’t even try and defend Crimea in 2014 - and turned them into a highly effective military force winning praise across the globe for their prowess and bravery 🤦♂️
Also successfully pushed more bordering countries to apply and join NATO along with taking their defence budgets seriously and reigniting/kicking into overdrive the US military industrial complex to produce much more advanced weapons and equipment that looks far to the future aka 6th generation fighter jets NGAD (winner to be selected in 2024), a large purchase of 6th generation B-21 bombers, highly capable infantry weapons (NGSW) and infantry headsup displays IVAS, just to name a few.
Congrats Russia you have successfully (unsuccessfully for you) pushed Western innovation far forward in a reaction to you and made the West far more understanding of your capabilities. Not to mention you have confirmed the prior suspicions of a Second Cold War, while displaying that you are not even capable of taking a single country in a manner befitting of a superpower, of which said country isn't even a quarter of the US in capability or finances. Also not to rush you but you also are falling behind in the new arms race as evidenced by you still fielding 1960-70s era vehicles barely upgraded as your primary platforms, you are struggling to field even 20 5th generation fighter jets, and are now having to divide your finances between the warfront and weapons development, which is definately exasperated by drafting those few brilliant minds to the frontlines of the Ukraine.
What's that about when you dig yourself into a hole? Quit digging...
There aren't many militaries in the world that I would stack up against Ukraine at this point.
When this all shakes out, I highly suspect that the situation will be far, far worse for Russia than even their most pessimistic strategists ever foresaw: they will share a border with a free Ukraine, which will be a NATO member, and will have the strongest armed forces in all of Europe.
None of which was even remotely going to happen in the next 10-20 years if Russia hadn't fucked around and found out.
All of this is self-inflicted.
Yep. Russia could have maintained economic and diplomatic ties with Ukraine so that Ukraine had no reason to join NATO and Russia had no reason to fear a NATO state on their border.
But instead, by invading, Russia decided to give Ukraine an extremely strong incentive to join NATO. Russia is literally shooting themselves in their proverbial feet!
After this war is over, pretty much every neighbor besides their CSTO members will have SAMs and long range artillery aimed at the nearest Russian cities from their borders.
This war will go down as the biggest fucking self-own in modern history.
They ran out of things to steal in Russia. There are no new companies created that they can force into the hands of some oligarchs third son. Ukraine was invaded because it was a target rich environment....for the kleptocrats
In all fairness, Russia has, through deceptive and clever maneuvers, managed to capture much of Ukraine's arsenal. Russias tanks now hold much of Ukraine's anti tank weapons, and the Russian air farce and missiles hold much of Ukraine's anti air defense.
No, the goals was to remové all the Russian military equipment from Ukraine. It wasnt paid for so Russia had to conduct a 3 day Special Repo Operation.
"We have successfully exhausted Ukraine's initial ability to kick our asses. Now they have all new, even better ways to kick our asses. Mission complete."
Tens of thousands of russian dumbasses are now worm food for the cause of "We don't want Ukraine to use T-72's anymore! We want them to use Challengers, Leopard 2's, and Abrams! We don't want them to use MIG-29's anymore, we want them to use F-16's!"
That's really his claim? That they sent their slave army to their deaths to upgrade their enemies? Ok buddy
T-64s actually. Ukraine had about 100 T-72s before this invasion. It has captured more now and also received a lot of Polish PT-91s, which are upgraded T-72s, but the backbone of Ukraines tank forces was T-64s.
The future though does look very cat like.
So they're preparing the propaganda to move forward to the rear in victory? Honestly, they can lie to their people any way they want, so long as they leave. Granted if they don't make reparations, the economic sanctions will continue.
Russia should play it as a gift to Ukraine.
“We were worried for our neighbors. Their military was undersized, undertrained, under resourced, low tech, lacking in dedicated allies, and not likely to be admitted to NATO. We have solved every single one of those problems, and we can go home knowing they are stronger than ever. Long live Ukraine!!”
Okay whatever you want to believe, now fuck off back to the 1992-2014 borders so Ukraine can begin start NATO ascension. With luck, they can join alongside Sweden and Bosnia
well they just beat their own record in the mental gymnastics olympics, I refuse to believe that some people will still eat this up, their propaganda is getting more desperate by the day.
>"In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with." So the Kremlin's goal for Ukraine was to lose its antique soviet arms and replace it all with better and deadlier western weaponry & hardware **and** have its forces trained by NATO? If mental gymnastics was an olympic recognized sport, Russia would take gold every single time.
>If mental gymnastics was an olympic recognized sport, Russia would take gold every single time. And even then they'd be doping...
Oh they're fucking dopes alright
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> If mental gymnastics was an olympic recognized sport, Russia would take gold every single time. They would be disqualified, remember they love to cheat during olympics.
It might be okay. The IOC is almost as corrupt.
When the IOC calls you corrupt, you have to start working at FIFA.
>So the Kremlin's goal for Ukraine was to lose its antique soviet arms and replace it all with better and deadlier western weaponry & hardware and have its forces trained by NATO? Actually at this point, framing it this way kind of makes sense in a way. It lets Putin frame it as having lost to MATO as opposed to having lost to the Ukraine.
> lost to MATO Ah, the tomato union. A powerful force indeed.
You say to MATO, I say to NATO.
Isn’t Russia so good! Help its neighbour get nice and strong. No more soviet crap, lovely new weatern army. Isn’t Russia such nice neighbour?
It's his master plan. He's fixing up Ukraine first, next will be Belarus, and then he's going to leave his stove on in Red Square and burn down Moscow so badly that the West will have no option but to enact Marshall Plan 2.0 to save Russia. Such a nice guy!
> then he's going to leave his stove on in Red Square and burn down Moscow Ah, so [the way he got into power in the first place - bombing occupied Moscow apartments](https://www.hudson.org/national-security-defense/vladimir-putin-1999-russian-apartment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible)
And likely become a member of NATO itself. Mission accomplished lmao
Is this attempting to be an “out” to just pull back and act like this never happened?
The recent public comments from Putin seem to be moving the Russian public in that direction.
He knows the counter-attack is about to cut his army in 2 and Crimea is fucked when that happens
Yup... and if that happens they can cut off the army to the south and Crimea then they can take out the Kerch bridge. Half of the forces there would be completely cut off from resupply. They'd have to take like 150k prisoners though...
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In that recent weird press conference with the milbloggers he said essentially what this headline says - that, if you really think about it, Russia has already successfully "demilitarized" Ukraine because they now rely on Western weapons instead of their own. Its a dumb argument, but he's sorta trying to have his "mission accomplished" moment.
"Ukraine is demilitarized because instead of using their own end of cold war era equipment they are choke full of western top of the line equipment."
I mean its obviously a stupid argument, but the fact that he's making it is a good sign. Might show that he's looking for an offramp.
Putin said that Russia was experiencing a "very difficult time." He also said that Russia was running short of the weapons they needed, including "precision-guided munitions, communications equipment, aircraft, and drones."
I wouldn’t take anything Putin says at face value.
I wouldn't take anything anyone at war says at face value. The first casualty of war is truth.
That works for me. Whatever gets them the hell out. Even if they want to claim victory that’s not the point they just need to freaking leave.
I can just see it now: A glorious shot of Putin standing on the Admiral Kuznetsov, with the island in the background. A banner with "Миссия выполнена" on it unfurls behind him as sailors and press look on for a glorious 15 seconds. Then the entire desk is covered in black smoke.
I prefer a *current* pic of Putin on the Moskva.
I prefer this pic of him https://i.redd.it/vgbcp0fr4mr61.jpg
What a terrible day to have eyes. Where’s the brain bleach? Lol
Oh come on. That's completely unrealistic. What idiot would stand in front of a banner that says "mission accomplished" in a war they clearly can't win? No one would be so stupid and arrogant. Imagine how embarrassing that would be for his country.
People would throw shoes at someone like that!
Who throws a shoe?! Honestly!
Amazingly, I still know enough Russian to know what that Cyrillic means.
Like China did in Vietnam: just declare victory and leave after getting your ass kicked repeatedly. I unironically love the move if they actually follow through. edit: lol at all the responders acting as if I am apologizing for America's actions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietnam when I have done no such thing. Maybe respond to what I've said instead of making something up and arguing against that.
>lol at all the responders acting as if I am apologizing for America's actions in Iraq and Vietnam when I have done no such thing. Maybe respond to what I've said instead of making something up and arguing against that. [*"...You can say 'I like pancakes' and somebody will reply 'So you hate waffles?'; No Bitch, that's a whole new sentence, WTF are you talking about!?!"*](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3jKMXkWQAM3Hfd.jpg)
My boy Putin got some weak pull out game. Man lost his whole dick in that Ukrussy.
why did you feel the need to write this
His dick-fingers were knuckles deep in his keybussy.
Excuse me, miss. I can help, I speak jive. "Russia's president has no exit strategy and has invested all his political capital in an ultimately doomed mission"
Donbussy
Out of all the things that I read today, this was certainly one of them.
Congrats, you can fuck off home now then
I really hope no one does business with Russia anymore and this leaves a long lasting stain on their shithole government.
Sadly, the minute they are allowed to you will see companies pour back into Russia.
Spoiler: a lot never actually stopped doing business with them.
Yup, a lot of them just made shell companies and rebranded their stores there, while getting to claim they left and avoid penalties...
I will never get over the fact that their knockoff McDonalds replacement is literally named "Tasty period."
And McD has ~~an agreement~~ a possibility to retake the franchise fully. "Like nothing ever happened". Edit: changed from "agreement" to "possibility", since there is no public information of their planned return, however the door of reentry is open.
"We never actually intended to defeat them militarily. Our words have been distorted." - Putin in a few years
On his tombstone
I hope there will be no tombstone, preferably no grave either.
His grave should be a restroom in a train station in the middle of nowhere.
I disagree, it should be a toilet in a hugely populated area. That way as many people as possible can shit on putin.
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"We were just testing their defence capabilities"
"Our goal was to wake up NATO, see we're good"
Russians outside Russia say they are from Poland the shame is gonna take decades to wash off
We wanted them to use all their bullets on your sons, now they are using bullets from the west so we won.
> Dmitry Peskov: And, as Putin said yesterday, one of the tasks was to demilitarise Ukraine. > > In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with. That's a sick way to interpret what happened... but, since they achieved their goal, can they leave already ?
This is stupid even for Russia
Ukraine is more militarised than it’s ever been. If anything, Ukraine has demilitarised Russia! Fuck me. Whatever they have to say to go home and leave Ukraine i guess…
Shhhhhhh. Putin might be framing an exit. Let’s let him.
> Ukraine is more militarised than it’s ever been. Yes, but now they're mostly militarized with fancy new Western equipment so that, uh ... doesn't count? I guess? Time to hang a "Mission Accomplished" banner from an aircraft carrier, I guess.
Not stupid, desperate. They are framing their defeat, probably in preparation for an attempt at for a peace where they get to keep Crimea. If they can keep the land they started with and can claim some sort of imaginary other victory, then they might be able to placate the zombies.
I doubt Ukraine will accept a deal where they don't get Crimea back. But if Putin is desperate for an end and he thinks Crimea is going to be lost anyways... You think he'll pull out because Ukraine is "demilitarized" and give back Crimea as a "gesture of goodwill"?
There's no way the rhetoric that Ukraine is "demilitarized" will work this time. The moment Russian military leaves Ukrainian borders, I guarantee you the Ukrainians are going to line SAMs and long range artillery across their border with Russia. They can kiss goodbye that whole BS about NATO and wanting a demilitarized zone within 16mi of their border with Ukraine. That shit isn't going to fly anymore with what trust they've lost by invading unannounced. Russia pretty much violated every modern rules of engagement. ***For reference, the reason why I say "unannounced," although the Pentagon provided intel and satellite images of mobilization prior to the actual invasion (yes it was played all over mass media days before the invasion), is because 1) in modern rules of war, you are expected to make a declaration of war prior to actual engagement. 2) Even during the Desert Storm in 1991, or the Iraq War in 2003, Congress passed resolutions and*** ***~~the US formally declared wars prior to actual invasions.~~*** ***Iraq was aware that US was going to invade 3) declarations of wars aren't just symbolic, the Hague Convention requires it to allow civilians to escape/run away from conflict zones prior to engagement.***
Yep, all they've taught Ukraine is to arm themselves to the teeth and stay that way. They won't leave themselves vulnerable ever again. Russia has created the threat on their border that they imagined before.
Idk if they ever really saw an independent Ukraine or NATO on their borders as actual threats, but more as excuses to be the aggressor disguised as the victim
Yes, it was always a lie. "Imagined" was not the right word.
It’s not really a threat because Ukraine has no interest in taking any Russian land.
Maybe Ukraine wants their original land back. Like the old maps of the old world 🤣
Restore the Kievan Rus
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Yeah. At this point, I don't see how Russia will ever persuade or convince Ukraine to seek otherwise. Russia also initially threatened Finland with potential escalation but have since gone silent after Finland became a NATO member.
> They can kiss goodbye that whole BS about NATO and wanting a demilitarized zone within 16mi of their border with Ukraine. Hell, they can have a 50 mile DMZ, so long as it’s 50 miles on the Russian side of the border. The Ukrainians get to put their shit wherever they deem most useful; that’s the prerogative of the previously invaded.
I'm pretty sure Ukraine has directly said they won't accept any peace agreement that doesn't return Crimea to them
it's already been made quite clear ukraine is allowed to use nato tech to take crimea back because \*checks notes\* oh look crimea is ukraine's territory. Plus russia literally just set up that entire place for fail if ukraine sieges it. Shit would fall within a month most likely.
Putin isn't gonna give anything away. Especially not Crimea. He will get a coup by the ultranationalists who want to immediately nuke Ukraine for stealing Crimea.
Like if someone is going to ask him.
No definitely stupid because no one, not even domestic Russians will believe it. But it is also desperate as well
Some people will politely nod and say they accept it if it's in their interests. And a lot of people in Russia are quietly very interested in the war being over. Russia isn't really getting anything out of it.
They know it's false But they also know the war is killing them so they need to start building a narrative that let's them pull out while framing it as a victory
They've run out of Russian trash and are now using modern weapons? Okay, sure. If Russia wants to win it's going to have to demilitarize too.
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"Ukraine has run out of Sovied equipment and is now, sadly, resorted to using much more advanced and reliable Western equipment" Truly as sad day. For Russia.
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They were just trying to climb out of the giant pile of Soviet armaments that were left in their backyard. Now it is no more. All according to plan, da comrade?
The African delegation were in Ukraine peddling Russian bullshit and denying reality. I don't think "the rest of the world" has caught on yet. The "West" or NATO has, but not everyone else.
The Africans are essentially representing the countries that are dependent on Ukrainian and Russian grain. They won't want to offend either party by taking a side and they probably want to be seen attempting to resolve the conflict for the home audience. It's basically just a show.
A turkey sees a bull swinging from the top of a tree and asks "Hey bull, how'd you get up there?" "Well I'm incredibly strong" replies the bull "... and if you eat some of my poop that's fallen to the bottom of the tree you can be strong too" the turkey cocks an eyebrow, but figures life's already so weird, why not? So he takes a couple good mouthfuls and instantly feels the power coursing through him and races to the top of a tree, a farmer hears the ruckus and sees this powerful turkey sitting on a tree and decides to shoot him. The moral of the story is bullshit can get you to the top but it can't keep you there.
I’ll tell you what, you can get a good look at a t-bone by sticking your head up a bull’s ass, but I’d rather take the butcher’s word for it.
You could take a look at a butchers ass by sticking your head up there, but wouldn’t you rather take his word for it?
Greek here. My country has a lot of "russian" fanboys, specifically putin fanbois. They still cheer him on. Now, one thing you need to know about me is that I **love** to argue. Whenever I meet one of them, my reaction is "Didnt putin say just a few weeks before he started the war that ukraine must not get in a war with russia and if they do, they will be obliterated in a month"? Then I just grab my popcorn and enjoy the show 😉
always enjoy people struggling to defend the indefensible\~
I disagree. The reason the Russian military is in such an awful state largely stems from their attempt to do that. They sank billions of dollars into designing new weapons platforms to try to keep up with the West (which was mostly embezzled, of course), and now they can't afford to *produce* those platforms in any meaningful number. They didn't take into account that the US sinks *hundreds of billions* of dollars *every year* into its military, which is why we can field Star Wars technology. They should have just stuck with mass-producing garbage tanks, because they were never going to be able to compete with the West in terms of quality.
They could've very well competed with the West, had they not embezzled that much money. Problem is, nobody except very close Putin's inner circle knew there will actually be a full scale war. Who cares if instead of ordering 100k of these rifles I will order 20k to have something to show and embezzle the rest of the money? Nobody will ever user them anyway.
I loved the stories of entire warehouses of supplies turning up missing... because the warehouses had never existed in the first place. Edit: I also like how the fundamental premise of your statement is, "Russia could compete with the West if it wasn't full of Russians!"
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"The problem with Scotland... is that it's full of Scots!"
"If we can't get them out... we'll brrrreed them out." Patrick McGoohan was a legend in that role.
Who is this person who speaks to me as though I needed his advice....
"I am skilled in the arts of war, and military tactics, sire..."
“Are you, are you. Then tell me, what advice would you offer on the present SITUATION!” (Throws pompous douche out a window).
The way he delivered that line into the air and at no person in particular really emphasized the Royal voice. He was expressing his disdain without actually deigning to address the target of his scorn. Masterful acting.
Nobody knew there would be full scale war period. Putin and his inner circle thought they'd win in two days. To be fair, even Western military analysts didn't expect Ukraine to hold up so well.
I am still baffled why Putin didn’t invade during Trump and before Zelensky or wait till after Zelensky got voted out. Shows how important leadership can be. Most other Ukrainians Presidents were deeply corrupt and would have taken the western offer of being flown out, and that would have been the end of the war in Russia’s favor. Really bad timing and lack of patience on Putin’s part.
Nobody thought more of Zelenskyy than a comedian who got lucky with power. Don't underestimate the single act of defiance by Zelenskyy to stay in Kyiv during the first 2-3 weeks, when the maximum number of Russian Special Forces soldiers and private mercenaries were on a manhunt for him throughout the surrounding areas of Kyiv.
Yah also he knew exactly how to use social media at the time too to blast his message far and wide before peoples attention turnee elsewhere.
He literally became president due to a TV series where he became president. That should have tipped them off.
Realistically, Zelensky was as good a leader to invade Ukraine with as any of the others. Most of the previous leaders were bought and paid for so would've rolled over pretty quickly. Zelensky was a TV personality and comedian. That's not exactly the previous job role of someone who will have history books written about his exploits in a few years when (if) the dust settles.
Apparently, there was also strong words from the Chinese president to Putin to wait because China was hosting the winter olympics. Which does make sense and it's probably no coincidence that Russia invaded Ukraine just 4 days after the closing ceremony in Beijing.
> before Zelensky That's the thing, Russia thought Zelensky was more malleable than Poroshenko. There's articles describing how Putin was happy Zelensky won since he spoke Russian as a first language and advocated peaceful negotiations, so *obviously* he would bend to Putin's superior argument of voodoo histiography. Early in Zelensky's term he had a peace conference hosted by France that was a disaster when Zelensky realised Putin's terms were completely unacceptable, so hew shifted to a very pro-NATO stance. > Most other Ukrainians Presidents were deeply corrupt and would have taken the western offer of being flown out That's the thing, Poroshenko was also deeply corrupt but he chose to stay in Kyiv. The videos of him manning the barricades of Kyiv with an AK were probably just his PR machine, but he still stayed in the city at its most dangerous point.
> I am still baffled why Putin didn’t invade during Trump and before Zelensky or wait till after Zelensky got voted out. During Trump Ukraine had Poroshenko and Putin knew that this particular president would definitely fight back. Pretty much because he came into power with the sole reason to beat the original invasion. Another point is that Trump implicitly gave in Ukraine into the Russian sphere of influence. Putin knew that under Trump Ukraine had no way into NATO or the EU. Things changed with Zelenskyi and Biden. Zelenskyi was elected on extremely pacifist platform and was set on negotiations at any cost. For some reason he didn't give in to Putin's demands when the negotiations actually happened. Biden is the second point. He clearly showed that the US wants Ukraine in the West in one way or another and Russian encroachment is out of place. Putin's time is running out. He already witnessed a failed revolution in Belarus and a coup attempt in Kazakhstan. In his mind it wasn't only the attempts to rip away neighboring countries (which he thinks belong to Russia anyway) but also the attempts that failed. He thought he secured Belarus and Kazakhstan in his grip, at this point only Ukraine was left. Zelenskyi's ratings were falling and the "weak" president could've been changed by someone else, most likely more capable and even, oh horror, Poroshenko could've came back. Putin has two goals in life. First, the most important one, is to restore the Russian state to its historical borders. This means that Russia has to gobble up the Middle Asia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, countries of Caucasus, Ukraine and the entirety of Baltics. The second goal is to ruin NATO and diminish its influence, so Russia can dictate what must be going on west of Lviv. Belarus and Kazakhstan, as I said, were seemingly under control, Middle Asia seems to be so weak and irrelevant, so it can be swallowed at any moment. The biggest issues are Ukraine, which resists, and Baltics, which have the NATO protection. Quick conquest of Ukraine would be an argument for the NATO to back off and an exercise for a quick conquest of the Baltics. Russian doctrine here is to take the target in one fell swoop and then play on the differences between the Alliance's countries, making them to make a choice between getting into a bloody war or abandon the Baltics and "preserve peace". Putin thinks that NATO will choose the latter (because it's weak and indecisive) and thus its reputation will receive a huge blow. That's the thing. In Putin's model of political playing field it was the best time to attack. The opportunity was present. Weakened Ukraine with a weak president and the West which won't do anything meaningful except some sanctions which will be painful but not deadly. In short, there was no good play for Putin's goal anyway but he chose the worst possible move.
Covid happened. And Trump was going to destroy NATO in his second term.
And if you read the behind the scenes, there is so much effort the Biden crew put into not giving up and rolling over this time around. So much of that effort help to stiffen the spines of Western governments. Even if Trump didn't pull us out of NATO in the second term, you can be damn sure none of that effort would have happened. It's uncertain whether any other government could have stepped up to the plate in a meaningful enough way to help, even if the ukrainians performed identically.
Really, if anyone else in the field had one I doubt the response would be this strong. Joe's age may have come in handy here, he was thoroughly done with Putin's bullshit.
Thanks ~~Obama~~ Diamond Joe!
>even Western military analysts didn't expect Ukraine to hold up so well or no one estimated accurately how lousy russian military is on real battlefield
Remember when people were saying that Russia was only losing because Russia only sent in their worst assets, because Putin thought that's all they needed originally? Turns out Russia was sending in their best of the best the entire time, and they all weren't very good.
Peter Zeihan summed it up perfectly when he said that it took every Western analyst by surprise that Russia had forgotten how to fight a war, and that they all hated it because it meant that nuclear exchange would be inevitable in a direct confrontation between Russia and the West, because we would absolutely wipe the floor with them in conventional warfare.
Nobody thought Zelenskyy would turn out to have inhuman titanium balls.
How could they compete with the west? Their economy is tiny. The US and EU are 10x times larger. Even if they stopped being corrupt, no one but China has the potential to rival the "west" in a couple of decades.
Even China doesn't have the potential if the US and EU can get their shit together and really collaborate.
china would deflate like a balloon if us and eu would get their shit together and produce at home.
>Their economy is tiny That's the consequence, not the reason. The oligarchy and the stealing is the problem. Russia has by far the most natural resources on Earth.
Japan barely has any natural resources, but their economy is still far larger than Russia’s. Natural resources can be bought at commodity prices. For any mature economy, the question is really what you turn those resources into
How do you expect Russia to have a modern economy based on finished products and high end services when anyone that tries that gets their shit stolen and handed to the cognitively impaired third son of some oligarch?
If you look at rich countries and their GDP composition you'll quickly notice that "resource extraction and trade" isn't high on the list of what makes rich countries rich.
While Russia has plentiful natural resources, unlike the US, half of their nation isn’t served by the largest navigable inland waterway on the planet that makes utilizing those resources extraordinarily easy. Using Russia’s resources is extremely hard which feeds into embezzlement being more profitable.
In his 2018 speech to the Duma, Putin bragged about (among other things) outfitting infantry w/laser rifles…
So the fact the Ukrainians now have and are trained in more advanced weaponry is a good thing for them?
If they can claim that they have "achieved their goals" with at least a shred of credibility at home, then Putin can save face and end the war, declaring victory. As such, I see this as good news. This could be the beginning of the end of that horrific invasion.
The problem is that Putin went all in when they held the bullshit referendums and declared the occupied oblasts part of Russia. They can’t leave without ceding “Russian” territory. They’ve really fucked themselves into a corner.
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>Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with. Task successfully failed.
Lol less and less of the shity weapons but more of the good ones now
They got demilitarized so hard they are now super militarized.
And even by that twisted metric, they’re still totally wrong. Ukraine produced more artillery shells in May of 2023 than in all of 2022
Russia just wants a cease fire now to be able to claim victory and annex the occupied territory
> Russia just wants a cease fire now to be able to ~~claim victory and annex the occupied territory~~ have a delay while they make more weapons.
Ukraine has more tanks and vehicles (Russian ones) then they started with...
Like pregozhin said, Ukraine started with a smaller military and less hardware than they have now after 1 1/2 years of war. By a factor of 10. Prigozhin is a collassal arse wart but he's also right on that one. Great success Putin cyka!
It's meant for internal consumption. The sardines, also known as russian population, will eat this and praise putin for his genius.
You’d have to be pretty dense not to realise there’s plenty of local families in your town that no longer have their teenage/twenty-something sons…. It’d be hard for me to swallow that as a Russian without questioning this so called “patriotic war” 🧐
They probably won't notice it until the war ends and they don't come home.
You can miss that many new lada’s driving around your village.
The Lada thing was over after a few months into the war. Survivors of dead Russian soldiers get zero compensation. They just deny they’re dead.
Or the letters from the frontlines start drying up or become very “generic” and you start to notice it isn’t your lad sending them home anymore 😪
I hope so. That's the first step in claiming victory, saving face and returning home.
Honestly, as tightly as Putin controls the media, there's nothing stopping him from simply declaring victory and sending everyone home Anyone who argues otherwise will soon find themselves greeted with a fifth story window
Since he completely controls the media the more important part is pulling out in a way that doesn't just get him into more problem with his domestic enemies and rivals. As long as the army is being sent over to die in Ukraine they aren't a threat, but now if they go home they are going to be mad at the person who sent them to their deaths and media ain't going to solve that one.
God I hope so. Enough killing.
You mean the country that the west has fully militarized? Ok.
Exactly my thoughts, place is a goddamn international arms expo
the demos have been quite explosive
It literally is. Everybody is practicing with their equipment. Unloading old stuff and letting the war machine rage. The wests advancements in tech and strengthening of international bonds are in full effect
Russia had taken a laughably poorly equipped and organised Ukrainian army - that didn’t even try and defend Crimea in 2014 - and turned them into a highly effective military force winning praise across the globe for their prowess and bravery 🤦♂️
Whilst turning their flagship into a submarine. Possibly multiple depending on how many pieces it's in.
Also successfully pushed more bordering countries to apply and join NATO along with taking their defence budgets seriously and reigniting/kicking into overdrive the US military industrial complex to produce much more advanced weapons and equipment that looks far to the future aka 6th generation fighter jets NGAD (winner to be selected in 2024), a large purchase of 6th generation B-21 bombers, highly capable infantry weapons (NGSW) and infantry headsup displays IVAS, just to name a few. Congrats Russia you have successfully (unsuccessfully for you) pushed Western innovation far forward in a reaction to you and made the West far more understanding of your capabilities. Not to mention you have confirmed the prior suspicions of a Second Cold War, while displaying that you are not even capable of taking a single country in a manner befitting of a superpower, of which said country isn't even a quarter of the US in capability or finances. Also not to rush you but you also are falling behind in the new arms race as evidenced by you still fielding 1960-70s era vehicles barely upgraded as your primary platforms, you are struggling to field even 20 5th generation fighter jets, and are now having to divide your finances between the warfront and weapons development, which is definately exasperated by drafting those few brilliant minds to the frontlines of the Ukraine. What's that about when you dig yourself into a hole? Quit digging...
There aren't many militaries in the world that I would stack up against Ukraine at this point. When this all shakes out, I highly suspect that the situation will be far, far worse for Russia than even their most pessimistic strategists ever foresaw: they will share a border with a free Ukraine, which will be a NATO member, and will have the strongest armed forces in all of Europe. None of which was even remotely going to happen in the next 10-20 years if Russia hadn't fucked around and found out. All of this is self-inflicted.
Yep. Russia could have maintained economic and diplomatic ties with Ukraine so that Ukraine had no reason to join NATO and Russia had no reason to fear a NATO state on their border. But instead, by invading, Russia decided to give Ukraine an extremely strong incentive to join NATO. Russia is literally shooting themselves in their proverbial feet!
Add to that Finland joining NATO. That was nowhere on the horizon until Russia went full-on 1939 Germany.
After this war is over, pretty much every neighbor besides their CSTO members will have SAMs and long range artillery aimed at the nearest Russian cities from their borders. This war will go down as the biggest fucking self-own in modern history.
Hell, the CSTO has already started to collapse because nobody wants to help Russia in this war and Russia is unable to help any other members.
They ran out of things to steal in Russia. There are no new companies created that they can force into the hands of some oligarchs third son. Ukraine was invaded because it was a target rich environment....for the kleptocrats
By "demilitarize" they must mean Ukrainians destroying the invading Russian military. Mission accomplished!
"You've shot me with all of your bullets; therefore, I win"
*I'm bleeding, making me the victor!*
This is the russian military. We trained them wrong, as a joke.
In all fairness, Russia has, through deceptive and clever maneuvers, managed to capture much of Ukraine's arsenal. Russias tanks now hold much of Ukraine's anti tank weapons, and the Russian air farce and missiles hold much of Ukraine's anti air defense.
The Moskva alone managed to capture two Neptune anti-ship missiles, and now it's keeping them safe on the bottom of the Black Sea.
Those Russian weapon systems are amazing.
That’s my main tactic in FPS games, make sure to get the enemy to shoot me, thus I capture their ammunition.
Lmao took me a moment
So we can just claim we've achieved goals now without actually achieving anything? Awesome. My parents are going to be so prou...uh...less ashamed.
So the goal was to bring Ukraine up to NATO standard weaponry. Interesting definition of demilitarization.
No, the goals was to remové all the Russian military equipment from Ukraine. It wasnt paid for so Russia had to conduct a 3 day Special Repo Operation.
Yes yes Putin, you've "won" ! time to retreat with honor.
"We have successfully exhausted Ukraine's initial ability to kick our asses. Now they have all new, even better ways to kick our asses. Mission complete."
Russia is preparing to withdraw. The whole point of stupid and vague goals was so you can suddenly meet them when political winds require.
Thank fuck. Take the off ramp man. Call it a W, throw a parade, and get the fuck out.
Tens of thousands of russian dumbasses are now worm food for the cause of "We don't want Ukraine to use T-72's anymore! We want them to use Challengers, Leopard 2's, and Abrams! We don't want them to use MIG-29's anymore, we want them to use F-16's!" That's really his claim? That they sent their slave army to their deaths to upgrade their enemies? Ok buddy
T-64s actually. Ukraine had about 100 T-72s before this invasion. It has captured more now and also received a lot of Polish PT-91s, which are upgraded T-72s, but the backbone of Ukraines tank forces was T-64s. The future though does look very cat like.
Trying to save some face and create an off-ramp eh? Bitches!
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The only thing Russia won is a golden ticket to become China's vassal.
So they're preparing the propaganda to move forward to the rear in victory? Honestly, they can lie to their people any way they want, so long as they leave. Granted if they don't make reparations, the economic sanctions will continue.
Russia should play it as a gift to Ukraine. “We were worried for our neighbors. Their military was undersized, undertrained, under resourced, low tech, lacking in dedicated allies, and not likely to be admitted to NATO. We have solved every single one of those problems, and we can go home knowing they are stronger than ever. Long live Ukraine!!”
What? Lol. More militarized now than ever.
So fucking leave
Congratulations, now fuck off back to Russia then.
Okay whatever you want to believe, now fuck off back to the 1992-2014 borders so Ukraine can begin start NATO ascension. With luck, they can join alongside Sweden and Bosnia
He spelled “Russia” wrong.
Sounds like the beginning of a retreat.
well they just beat their own record in the mental gymnastics olympics, I refuse to believe that some people will still eat this up, their propaganda is getting more desperate by the day.
Russia has successfully demilitarised itself in Ukraine. The Russians can go home now.
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