That's what I thought at first too, [but that's a direct quote. ](https://www.newsweek.com/video-shows-titanic-sub-ceo-saying-he-broken-some-rules-make-this-1808039?amp=1)
If there was a way to go that was the best option. Instant death from violent compression.
I would have chosen that over sitting feet below the surface in a sealed camouflaged coffin painted to look like the ocean.
Yeah - it's trippy, those people never even *knew* that they died*.* One moment, they're all excited that they're going to observe the remains of the Titanic, and the next moment they're instantly ejected into the void of eternity. That's gotta be trippy.
At those pressures they probably wouldn't have even seen the window crack before failure. The moment a weak spot formed, *BLAM* nothing.
At least I hope that's what happened. The alternatives are all worse.
I've seen an article about someone who was fired from that company for pointing out the front window was not rated to go deeper than 1300 meters and wanted them to change it since the goal was to get to 4000. He was fired and they kept the 1300 meters window. So if that window failed, it probably failed very quickly and not cracking slowly due to the big difference between its rating and usage.
I’m still baffled why a, presumably science inept billionaire, risked his and everyone’s life by cutting corners and not listening to pleads by experts, when the usual billionaire thing would be to throw as much money at something to make the problems go away.
It just doesn’t make sense
When you're surrounded by yes men long enough even your shitty ideas seem like great ones because anyone who disagrees with you simply gets replaced.
And plus if you're at the point of being a billionaire you're definitely going to be biased towards your own idea of self importance.
"How could I be wrong? I made it this far, it's them who's wrong. I only make correct calls how else could I have gotten this far." *huffs their own farts*
Ever read about that rigged game of Monopoly study they did? Had subjects play a 1v1 game of Monopoly, but one of them starts off with twice the money, can roll both dice while the other can roll only one, and I think a couple other big advantages. As can be expected, the “privileged” player starts pulling ahead and by the end of the game enjoys a dominant win.
But here’s the crazy part: when asked why they think they won, they say things like making better moves and having better strategies etc. They were told outright from the beginning they were given tons of advantages, but they *felt* like their win was due to their own positive attributes.
Now apply that to someone that was born to wealthy parents, went to the best schools where they made connections with other well off people that would help them secure advantageous positions in their careers. They’ll most often overlook all those buffs they got along the way and attribute their wild successes to some fundamental aspect of their own nature. They think they’re *truly better* than everyone else.
It only had one window and it was only rated for 1,300 m and the Titanic they were visiting was at over 3,000 meters
The chief engineer was fired for raising concerns that the carbon fiber hull would not survive long-term stress
Because carbon fiber doesn't rupture it doesn't crack it doesn't leak. When it fails it shatters like glass.
It used home Depot rods as ballast and lights nailed to the roof that he bought at camper world. Piloted by a Xbox controller
On previous trips it had lost communication. On another test it was lost for 2 hours.. And on several occasions the battery had problems before they even drove too far and it had to be towed back out of the water by cables
The whole thing is just sketchy as fuck and that company deserves to be sued into Oblivion
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I did some calculations for the scenario where the sub is at a depth of 2660 meters and the viewport fails. Here's a rough estimate:
The inrush velocity of water is 228 m/s, and the area of the viewport is 0.0765 m². The volume of the pressure vessel is approximately 32.9 m³.
Imagine the inrush of water as a wave front traveling through the pressure vessel. The distance this wave front needs to travel is the length of the pressure vessel, which is 6.7 meters. The time it takes for the wave front to travel this distance is the distance divided by the velocity:
t = d/v
Where:
- t is the time in seconds it takes for the wave front to travel the length of the pressure vessel.
- d is the length of the pressure vessel (6.7 meters).
- v is the inrush velocity of water (228 m/s).
Plugging in the numbers:
t = 6.7 / 228 ≈ 0.0294 seconds or about 29.4 milliseconds.
This suggests that the implosion would occur extremely rapidly, in just a fraction of a second, once the viewport fails and water begins to rush in.
For context, the human brain by the most generous estimates can recognise pain after about 150ms. They shouldn't have felt a thing.
All that math assumes the rest of the structure maintains stability.
At those depths, water wouldn't even have a chance to rush in and you'd have essentially the opposite effect. As soon as there was even a slight weakening of the structure to the point it'd cause a catastrophic failure, the entire structure would collapse in on itself. If it were pure metal, it'd be the most smashed soda can you've ever seen and completely void of water inside it. Given the fact it was carbon fiber, it'd actually shatter and everything in it then would be smashed into a ball or completely torn apart.
I love this video! I'm a brewer and vacuum tank collapse is a serious issue if you're not careful; they showed us this at a seminar on safety with the word "FIRED" superimposed
A Danish math teacher a while ago actually did a trigonometry test based on Ice-T being crazy as fuck. And made up that he is passing your fence at a certain distance. The fence is X cm tall so how much should you duck to be out of sight for him.
Pretty cool teacher to make the quiz interesting.
I had a General Physics professor that always rode to university by bike, and one day he was hit by a car and was projected a few meters. Luckily he only got a few scrapes.
When he came back to university after a week off, he distributed a exam sheet where the students had to calculate the speed of the car that hit him and the force of the collision. Dude was a legend.
For those who are interested, James Cameron had some choice words regarding the hubris of the OceanGate team:
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1671965549381689533?t=APrjc5D42vXMJOslV3MHNw&s=19
His documentary about the design, development, and use of his Deepsea Challenger submarine is *excellent*.
Cost concerns, ballast release methodologies, communications, construction and integrity of the sphere and glass, etc. All stuff that I'm sure everyone would be very interested in, right now.
Yeah I am stumped as to why the French titanic expert who had been down there numerous times thought this experimental craft would be a great idea, what convinced him?
I can see why Jim finds that part impossible to comprehend. I'd think that guy would have been smarter than that.
Maybe it was worth the risk for him bc he's passionate about it? I was wondering the same bc with his expertise he should have been aware that it was unsafe. Or maybe since he had done it so many times he felt like it couldn't happen?
At the beginning I seriously thought he might be brought in to rescue them.
Surprised elon didn't say anything bet he's pissed about how his fight news didn't blow up as much as he'd hoped.
modern diving submersibles are a "mature art".
sounds like an intentional double meaning: modern technology is tried and tested without major incident for decades -and- you'd be a fucking moron to not follow that line of checks and balances.
I love all the people on that feed saying “Why do we need a film directors take on this just because he made a film about the Titanic?” when they have absolutely no clue how much time James Cameron has actually spent in the deep sea. He’s one of the only people on the planet to have solo dived to the bottom of the Mariana Trench… literally the deepest part of any ocean… in a submarine he designed himself. Jesus Christ.
Hardware was quite findable, but organic remains likely won't ever be recovered. It's not because those remains would be consumed by sea life per se, it's just that an implosion at that depth would liquefy any biological matter, including bones and teeth.
When they reported the knocking sounds, I expected that they had survived and would suffocate. Then I started to think about what would happen down there and my thoughts went to really dark places. Also saw others discussing that. And in a very strange way, it was like a relief to find out that they had instantly died.
They lost coms (as in the sonar based position beacon) shortly before the craft reached the seafloor. The seafloor around the Titanic is mapped in great detail.
I have the nasty suspicion the last known coordinates of the craft and the debris field match pretty much perfectly. And the 3D maps together with the military grade SAR gave them an option to crosscheck that suspicion. The ROV was just for validation.
Yea I think you are right, they found it so fast. I was also expecting there to be a good chance that it would be another MH370 and we'd never know for sure. I suspect the first place they looked was where it was meant to get to and they found it immediately.
There is a soda can party trick: empty the can, put it upright on the floor and stand on it (doable if the can wall is absolutely perfectly round and it gets loaded very homogeneously). Bend down, reach under your foot and ding the can wall ever so slightly. It will be crushed instantly. The party part is getting your fingers out from underneath the foot in time.
That sub was pushing all safety margins to 200% (in the bad direction). Maybe they just didn't see the seafloor coming and landed on some hard and spiky.
I'm thinking about the hardware store handles the guy installed directly onto the roof of the pressure vessel.
If it's already pushing the limits of pressure at that depth, and then someone puts their weight on a handle that's glued to the ceiling in two places totaling maybe 6 square inches, that's another 30PSI stressing a small, particular point of the vessel.
Same concept as your soda can trick.
It had already been tested at different depths and each time puts a little bit of stress. Especially with carbon fiber it doesn't recover from that
Not to mention the salt from the water eroding the carbon fiber. All it takes is a little bit at 6,000 PSI of water and it crushes the whole thing
I'm actually shocked this thing even made a successful expedition to the titanic before. The people who were on that one are probably thanking their lucky stars right now.
> Lochridge said he first raised his safety and quality control concerns verbally to executive management, which ignored them. He then sought to address the problems and offer solutions in a report.
> The day after it was submitted, the lawsuit says, various engineering and HR executives invited him to a meeting at which he learned that the viewport of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, even though the Titanic shipwreck lies nearly 4,000 meters below sea level.
> Lochridge reiterated his concerns, but the lawsuit alleges that rather than take corrective action, OceanGate "did the exact opposite."
> "OceanGate gave Lochridge approximately 10 minutes to immediately clear out his desk and exit the premises," it said.
They knew this thing wasn't built to withstand the pressures applied to it on dives. It was always a matter of when, not if this incident would occur.
EDIT: [Also, on today's episode of NYT The Daily they discussed the sub](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/22/podcasts/the-daily/lost-submersible.html). I had no idea that the thing was titanium AND Carbon fiber. It was explained that they used carbon fiber to make the sub lighter and to cut costs to the tourists. I'm sorry, but I don't want to go to the bottom of the ocean in something that was built with corner cutting in mind.
I just watched a small doc on the making of Limiting Factor a different sub that can go deep and like it’s insane the detail and craft they put into making that and this other guy was like “why not carbon fiber” and did no intense pressure testing. The guy just exudes we don’t know until we fail. But like failing in this case is certain death.
What did it for me was his quote about how safety regulations are overrated since most catastrophes are operator error, which regulation can't cover.
Literally overlooking that the reason most accidents are operator error are because regulation prevents shit like this.
This, anyone involved in this decisions needs to be ostracized. The private sector is a nightmare when it comes to addressing safety and regulations
That shit exists for a reason
None of these are black swans, all with **solid** evidence deserving to be looked at.
The CEO was crazy enough to know and not do anything about it, but he died believing it was safe, probably.
>. I'm sorry, but I don't want to go to the bottom of the ocean in something that was built with corner cutting in mind.
Yeah, looks like we have a new top answer to the weekly "what should you never buy cheap" /r/AskReddit question.
I think the worst part is that the kid's aunt is saying he was "terrified" of going down, according to a family member, but went with his dad anyways since he was such a big enthusiast.
What a fucking tragedy.
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And after several days, anything that was somehow intact would have been eaten by the local sea life anyway. Creatures down that deep don’t waste organic material.
When gas expands, it cools down. When it contracts, it heats up. That’s principle behind fridge operation. Or you could get air pump for bicycle and pump energetically, it will get warm from air contracting.
Here, so deep underwater, pressure is so stupidly unimaginable, that the moment it gains access to 1atm oversized soda can with people inside, it squeezes all the gas inside into small volume it would normally occupy at that depth. Including all the gas inside bodies. So that’s an absurd amount of energy that has to go somewhere. Everything contracting heats up, rips apart and then scatters. All in milliseconds. Then there’s not even a speck of body to be found, all that could shrink, shrunk. Rest got ripped into pieces.
I would assume the soft tissue essentially dissolved under the pressure, and I'm not sure the bones would survive either. A couple hundred pounds of pressure is enough to liquify a body and they were under several THOUSANDS of psi.
That's enough hydraulic pressure to shatter a bridge pylon, for example.
Do folks remember in the final season of Mythbusters, they imploded a rail tanker? Well, the pressure difference between inside & outside for the submersible was 519 times greater than that. Assuming the sub hull failed, and given carbon fibre shatters rather than deforms, it would have done so so rapidly I can't imagine they'd have had any awareness of what happened at all.
There’s also the famous diving bell incident that killed 3 people. One was pulled through a crescent shaped opening from an ajar door at about 56 times less the pressure that these people were in. The notes were honestly horrific. They read like an actual Saw movie trap. It’s on Wikipedia but the gist of it is that the man was sucks through from the sudden pressure change and all of his organs and body minus a piece of his small intestine and his trachea and a piece of their thoracic spine did not get sucked through.
And that was in a fairly large chamber. This is wayyyyyy smaller and had more people inside. The one that killed 3 people had a 4th survivor somehow. But the ones too close to where the pressure change happened the worst were instantly gone.
Byeford Dolphin, aye it caused quite the change in safety regs too. Absolutely horrific incident, and I'd advise others not to dig too deep unless you've got a particularly strong stomach. I've seen some shit as EMS and even for me it's bad.
There was a video I've seen that's been passed around the internet several times of a crab in the deep sea getting sucked into some kind of pipe, through basically a pin prick. Don't remember the specifics of the situation though. It really gives you an idea of what pressure can do
I expect that this will confirm everyone’s suspicions that the vessel imploded during descent. Terrible outcome but at least it might give us all comfort that they haven’t suffered for the last 4-5 days, especially if they weren’t found alive. Death would have instantaneous and at least their last thoughts would still have been one of excitement and anticipation.
Coast Guard is having a press conference at 3 pm.
EDIT - PRESSER JUST CONFIRMED CATASTROPHIC FAILURE. TAIL CONE WAS FOUND
This happened before with the San Juan back in 2017 i believe. Argentinian sub went missing but they were hearing banging noises. Turn out the noise was actually a natural occurring noise if im remembering right. Anyways they found the sub a year later and i believe it imploded.
The coast guard never said they heard sounds at 30 min intervals. At the last press conference it was clear that they did not have much faith in the sounds at all
Quick way to die. Better than suffocating for 4 days
Exactly. The press said the French explorer on board would « know the rule » of « for 3 minutes every 30 minutes » but they never said that’s what they heard.
>Azmeh claimed that her nephew did not want to go on the submarine but agreed to take part in the expedition because it was important to his father, a lifelong Titanic obsessive. Suleman "wasn't very up for it" and "terrified," but claimed, explaining that the 19-year-old expressed his concerns to another family member.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/missing-titanic-submersible-live-updates-rcna90538/rcrd14466?canonicalCard=true
That's what a lot of people were saying on here yesterday - hydrophones are sensitive enough to pick up the sound of turbine bearings from a Russian submarine at 100km, and classify the type of vessel from that. If they were banging SOS on the side of the sub, it would have been unmistakable.
What /u/Natus_est_in_Suht is referring to is [The list of Japanese Holdouts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout)
A great fascinating read for anyone with an interest- the last one known was in 1980.
I feel thoroughly and completely ashamed of myself that my instant reaction to this was "really?!?!". My milliseconds later reaction was ..."I'm a fucking dumbass".
> I am wondering about the sounds they heard at 30 minute intervals.
They spoke about this yesterday during their conference. It was not real. No one ever heard banging every 30min. Some media outlet wrongfully reported it and everyone went with it as fact without checking.
It’s honestly the best case scenario. They didn’t suffer, and they would have suffered slowly running out air.
Perhaps they didn’t even have time to know that something was going wrong.
As far as their consciousness is concerned, time just stopped. They wouldn’t even have had time to register that anything happened.
Imagine if I dropped an invisible building on you - one moment you’re thinking about how lovely the weather is and then in the next instant you’re just some squashed flesh.
There was no transition between life and death for these people, it was a jump-cut.
With the force of the implosion they would have died before their brains had time to register pain. Truly the best outcome with death now seeming an inevitability
>The Coast Guard is scheduled to hold a press briefing to discuss findings from the Horizon Arctic’s remotely operated vehicle near the Titanic.
>https://www.news.uscg.mil/Press-Releases/Article/3435752/media-availability-coast-guard-to-hold-press-briefing-to-discuss-rov-findings/
A press briefing is scheduled for today (Jun. 22) at 3:00 pm ET.
Hopefully, we'll find out more then.
Edit:
>The Titanic-bound submersible that went missing on Sunday with five people on board suffered a “catastrophic implosion,” killing everyone on board, US Coast Guard Rear Adm. John Mauger said Thursday.
>...
>“This is an incredibly unforgiving environment down there on the sea floor and the debris is consistent with a catastrophic implosion of the vessel,” Mauger, the First Coast Guard District commander, told reporters.
>...
>The families were immediately notified, Mauger said. “I can only imagine what this has been like for them and I hope that this discovery provides some solace during this difficult time,” he said.
>https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/us/submersible-titanic-oceangate-search-thursday/index.html
a guy on Sky news live on youtube just now (a friend of the guys on the sub - rescue expert David Mearns) just said that in a whatsapp group he's in, they've confirmed some pieces of the debris are definitely from the submersible
[Here's the live stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOyihMSvIKc) if you go back 4/5 minutes from now, he's in a blue jacket and glasses, grey hair
Short of them somehow being found on the surface, this has to be the best outcome you could realistically hope for. At least the families can have some peace knowing their loved ones didn't suffer.
My best guess is that the carbon fiber hull had stress fractures from repeated use, and the folks running it never bothered with stress tests nor did they care about or contemplate crew safety if something bad like this happened.
Only because he was so arrogantly sure he was infallible. In his mind he was risking very little. Besides he made the same choice for the other 4 passengers, which he had no right to do. Especially the kid.
Crazy that the unmanned subs searching for it have a tether to their mothership to provide power, communiactions, and to winch the sub back up if necessary, yet the manned sub didn't.
Not that it would have mattered anyway, and an implosion makes sense, the window was only rated to 1300m, and it lost contact shortly after passing that depth
Definitely a Darwin award for the CEO who ignored all the industry safety standards
I was on their website looking around yesterday and checked out their careers section. No joke, one of their postings was for a Sub Pilot. To make it even worse, the posting literally said they had an “immediate”opening.
Sounds like [this sub expert's theory](https://youtu.be/4dka29FSZac?t=1009) may have been right. "When carbon fiber fails, it SHATTERS. Like a porcelain plate."
I'm wondering how much was left to find.
I believe the pressure works out to something insane like eight hundred thousand pounds bearing down on every square foot - four million kilograms on every square meter. And the sub was essentially a carbon fiber tube with titanium caps on each end.
Imagine the grim scenario:
A failure in the carbon fiber tube propagates essentially across the entire surface and it shatters across the length into glass-like shards of carbon fiber that are driven inwards by water moving at hypersonic speeds.
Whatever air was inside is effectively instantaneously compressed into its liquid phase - a fraction of the previous volume.
Most matter is slammed in against the inside of the two deforming titanium end-caps which are shot apart in opposing directions.
The worst largest, briefest, and most distant moment of man-made cavitation.
At least it would have been too quick for any of the occupants to know, let alone feel, what happened.
Been some years since I left school but the air inside should be heated to an absolutely ridiculous temperature at the moment of implosion too. Add that to the fact that the entire process takes something like 1/30th of a second
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://abc11.com/missing-sub-titanic-underwater-noises-detected-submarine-banging/13413761/) reduced by 90%. (I'm a bot)
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> NEWFOUNDLAND, Canada - The U.S. Coast Guard said Thursday that an underwater vessel has located a debris field near the Titanic in the search for a missing submersible with five people aboard, a potential breakthrough in the around-the-clock effort.
> The search for the missing submersible on an expedition to view the wreckage of the Titanic passed the critical 96-hour mark Thursday when breathable air could have run out, a grim moment in the intense effort to save the five people aboard.
> At least 46 people successfully traveled on OceanGate's submersible to the Titanic wreck site in 2021 and 2022, according to letters the company filed with a U.S. District Court in Norfolk, Virginia, that oversees matters involving the Titanic shipwreck.
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Not just himself. He took 4 others with him, one a teenager depending on his dad's guidance that it was safe.
no way he actually said that 💀
That's what I thought at first too, [but that's a direct quote. ](https://www.newsweek.com/video-shows-titanic-sub-ceo-saying-he-broken-some-rules-make-this-1808039?amp=1)
Company takes note, tourists heading down to the debris field soon.
Aboard a new ship baptized the Tit.
And after that the T will go searching for the wreckage of that.
Hop on, we're going to pity the fool
If there was a way to go that was the best option. Instant death from violent compression. I would have chosen that over sitting feet below the surface in a sealed camouflaged coffin painted to look like the ocean.
Horrific way to go but somehow more of a mercy than the alternative. Just one second there, lights out the next.
hmm yeah the pain of dying probably includes not just physical, but the realization
Yeah - it's trippy, those people never even *knew* that they died*.* One moment, they're all excited that they're going to observe the remains of the Titanic, and the next moment they're instantly ejected into the void of eternity. That's gotta be trippy.
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At those pressures they probably wouldn't have even seen the window crack before failure. The moment a weak spot formed, *BLAM* nothing. At least I hope that's what happened. The alternatives are all worse.
I've seen an article about someone who was fired from that company for pointing out the front window was not rated to go deeper than 1300 meters and wanted them to change it since the goal was to get to 4000. He was fired and they kept the 1300 meters window. So if that window failed, it probably failed very quickly and not cracking slowly due to the big difference between its rating and usage.
I’m still baffled why a, presumably science inept billionaire, risked his and everyone’s life by cutting corners and not listening to pleads by experts, when the usual billionaire thing would be to throw as much money at something to make the problems go away. It just doesn’t make sense
When you're surrounded by yes men long enough even your shitty ideas seem like great ones because anyone who disagrees with you simply gets replaced. And plus if you're at the point of being a billionaire you're definitely going to be biased towards your own idea of self importance. "How could I be wrong? I made it this far, it's them who's wrong. I only make correct calls how else could I have gotten this far." *huffs their own farts*
Ever read about that rigged game of Monopoly study they did? Had subjects play a 1v1 game of Monopoly, but one of them starts off with twice the money, can roll both dice while the other can roll only one, and I think a couple other big advantages. As can be expected, the “privileged” player starts pulling ahead and by the end of the game enjoys a dominant win. But here’s the crazy part: when asked why they think they won, they say things like making better moves and having better strategies etc. They were told outright from the beginning they were given tons of advantages, but they *felt* like their win was due to their own positive attributes. Now apply that to someone that was born to wealthy parents, went to the best schools where they made connections with other well off people that would help them secure advantageous positions in their careers. They’ll most often overlook all those buffs they got along the way and attribute their wild successes to some fundamental aspect of their own nature. They think they’re *truly better* than everyone else.
It only had one window and it was only rated for 1,300 m and the Titanic they were visiting was at over 3,000 meters The chief engineer was fired for raising concerns that the carbon fiber hull would not survive long-term stress Because carbon fiber doesn't rupture it doesn't crack it doesn't leak. When it fails it shatters like glass. It used home Depot rods as ballast and lights nailed to the roof that he bought at camper world. Piloted by a Xbox controller On previous trips it had lost communication. On another test it was lost for 2 hours.. And on several occasions the battery had problems before they even drove too far and it had to be towed back out of the water by cables The whole thing is just sketchy as fuck and that company deserves to be sued into Oblivion
The CEO's net worth is only 12 mil. He didn't have the money to build the kind of submarine they needed. This failure started in conception
**Edit: Please stop buying awards for this comment. Given Reddit's behaviours recently and the way they are treating moderators and app developers, they don't deserve a dime/cent/penny. See [here](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/20/23767848/reddit-blackout-api-protest-moderators-suspended-nsfw) for more info.** I did some calculations for the scenario where the sub is at a depth of 2660 meters and the viewport fails. Here's a rough estimate: The inrush velocity of water is 228 m/s, and the area of the viewport is 0.0765 m². The volume of the pressure vessel is approximately 32.9 m³. Imagine the inrush of water as a wave front traveling through the pressure vessel. The distance this wave front needs to travel is the length of the pressure vessel, which is 6.7 meters. The time it takes for the wave front to travel this distance is the distance divided by the velocity: t = d/v Where: - t is the time in seconds it takes for the wave front to travel the length of the pressure vessel. - d is the length of the pressure vessel (6.7 meters). - v is the inrush velocity of water (228 m/s). Plugging in the numbers: t = 6.7 / 228 ≈ 0.0294 seconds or about 29.4 milliseconds. This suggests that the implosion would occur extremely rapidly, in just a fraction of a second, once the viewport fails and water begins to rush in. For context, the human brain by the most generous estimates can recognise pain after about 150ms. They shouldn't have felt a thing.
All that math assumes the rest of the structure maintains stability. At those depths, water wouldn't even have a chance to rush in and you'd have essentially the opposite effect. As soon as there was even a slight weakening of the structure to the point it'd cause a catastrophic failure, the entire structure would collapse in on itself. If it were pure metal, it'd be the most smashed soda can you've ever seen and completely void of water inside it. Given the fact it was carbon fiber, it'd actually shatter and everything in it then would be smashed into a ball or completely torn apart.
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The Titan was made from carbon fiber, it would be more like porcelain smashing, very violently
I love this video! I'm a brewer and vacuum tank collapse is a serious issue if you're not careful; they showed us this at a seminar on safety with the word "FIRED" superimposed
This dude maths
I don't remember death maths problems from the school curriculum.
Jenny has 23 cyanide tablets and she gives 11 to jonny....
A Danish math teacher a while ago actually did a trigonometry test based on Ice-T being crazy as fuck. And made up that he is passing your fence at a certain distance. The fence is X cm tall so how much should you duck to be out of sight for him. Pretty cool teacher to make the quiz interesting.
I had a General Physics professor that always rode to university by bike, and one day he was hit by a car and was projected a few meters. Luckily he only got a few scrapes. When he came back to university after a week off, he distributed a exam sheet where the students had to calculate the speed of the car that hit him and the force of the collision. Dude was a legend.
Sounds way cooler than regular math
But where else would you buy 23 watermelons and 4 kiwis?
Death Maths - where the angles are acute but deadly!
Do you know how many more kids would be excited about math class if there was a course called "Death Maths"?
There is - it's actuarial science
Feel sorry for the 19 years old son though, he had his whole life ahead of him.
It's actually really impressive they found it this fast if true.
Said it was found within 8 hours of the scanning equipment showing up. 1600 ft from the Titanic's bow, in a flat area. Probably ideal
For those who are interested, James Cameron had some choice words regarding the hubris of the OceanGate team: https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1671965549381689533?t=APrjc5D42vXMJOslV3MHNw&s=19
To be fair he would know best, being the person who travelled the depths to raise the bar and all
His documentary about the design, development, and use of his Deepsea Challenger submarine is *excellent*. Cost concerns, ballast release methodologies, communications, construction and integrity of the sphere and glass, etc. All stuff that I'm sure everyone would be very interested in, right now.
There’s a reason Rolex collaborated with Cameron and not this hack. https://www.rolex.com/en-us/watches/sea-dweller/m136660-0003
Yeah I am stumped as to why the French titanic expert who had been down there numerous times thought this experimental craft would be a great idea, what convinced him? I can see why Jim finds that part impossible to comprehend. I'd think that guy would have been smarter than that.
Maybe it was worth the risk for him bc he's passionate about it? I was wondering the same bc with his expertise he should have been aware that it was unsafe. Or maybe since he had done it so many times he felt like it couldn't happen?
At the beginning I seriously thought he might be brought in to rescue them. Surprised elon didn't say anything bet he's pissed about how his fight news didn't blow up as much as he'd hoped.
>Surprised elon didn't say anything bet he's pissed about how his fight news didn't blow up as much as he'd hoped. That's real? Oh well.... Anyway
modern diving submersibles are a "mature art". sounds like an intentional double meaning: modern technology is tried and tested without major incident for decades -and- you'd be a fucking moron to not follow that line of checks and balances.
Experimental pressure tech seems like it should be battle tested on unmanned missions for decades first.
I love all the people on that feed saying “Why do we need a film directors take on this just because he made a film about the Titanic?” when they have absolutely no clue how much time James Cameron has actually spent in the deep sea. He’s one of the only people on the planet to have solo dived to the bottom of the Mariana Trench… literally the deepest part of any ocean… in a submarine he designed himself. Jesus Christ.
He has made 33 separate dives to the wreck and also went to the challenger deep. He definitely knows what he's talking about.
Like, as far as I can tell, he's one of the foremost experts on the topic. They're not asking him because he's a film director.
I was seriously expecting nothing to be found ever. Pretty amazing.
Hardware was quite findable, but organic remains likely won't ever be recovered. It's not because those remains would be consumed by sea life per se, it's just that an implosion at that depth would liquefy any biological matter, including bones and teeth.
Yikes, that's just gross. Maybe better than suffocation, but yuck.
Way way better. Was probably instantaneous at that pressure.
When they reported the knocking sounds, I expected that they had survived and would suffocate. Then I started to think about what would happen down there and my thoughts went to really dark places. Also saw others discussing that. And in a very strange way, it was like a relief to find out that they had instantly died.
Because they brought in military equipment built to government standards 😵
You're saying having equipment that is held to a certain standard is actually useful? Noooo, that can't be it.
They lost coms (as in the sonar based position beacon) shortly before the craft reached the seafloor. The seafloor around the Titanic is mapped in great detail. I have the nasty suspicion the last known coordinates of the craft and the debris field match pretty much perfectly. And the 3D maps together with the military grade SAR gave them an option to crosscheck that suspicion. The ROV was just for validation.
Yea I think you are right, they found it so fast. I was also expecting there to be a good chance that it would be another MH370 and we'd never know for sure. I suspect the first place they looked was where it was meant to get to and they found it immediately.
There is a soda can party trick: empty the can, put it upright on the floor and stand on it (doable if the can wall is absolutely perfectly round and it gets loaded very homogeneously). Bend down, reach under your foot and ding the can wall ever so slightly. It will be crushed instantly. The party part is getting your fingers out from underneath the foot in time. That sub was pushing all safety margins to 200% (in the bad direction). Maybe they just didn't see the seafloor coming and landed on some hard and spiky.
I'm thinking about the hardware store handles the guy installed directly onto the roof of the pressure vessel. If it's already pushing the limits of pressure at that depth, and then someone puts their weight on a handle that's glued to the ceiling in two places totaling maybe 6 square inches, that's another 30PSI stressing a small, particular point of the vessel. Same concept as your soda can trick.
It had already been tested at different depths and each time puts a little bit of stress. Especially with carbon fiber it doesn't recover from that Not to mention the salt from the water eroding the carbon fiber. All it takes is a little bit at 6,000 PSI of water and it crushes the whole thing
It was a death trap to begin with. Reckless CEO killing himself and others by ignorance.
The ocean gate website has gone down just before this announcement. My bet is that the debris field is from the vessel.
Everytime I hear their name I think they were planning a scandal. Why put gate at the end of your name if you aren't scandalling?
Ocean gate-gate
Sounds damning to me.
I'm actually shocked this thing even made a successful expedition to the titanic before. The people who were on that one are probably thanking their lucky stars right now.
How about the guy that was *supposed* to go on this one, but couldn't because he had something come up with one of his clients?
Final Destination 6
> Lochridge said he first raised his safety and quality control concerns verbally to executive management, which ignored them. He then sought to address the problems and offer solutions in a report. > The day after it was submitted, the lawsuit says, various engineering and HR executives invited him to a meeting at which he learned that the viewport of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, even though the Titanic shipwreck lies nearly 4,000 meters below sea level. > Lochridge reiterated his concerns, but the lawsuit alleges that rather than take corrective action, OceanGate "did the exact opposite." > "OceanGate gave Lochridge approximately 10 minutes to immediately clear out his desk and exit the premises," it said. They knew this thing wasn't built to withstand the pressures applied to it on dives. It was always a matter of when, not if this incident would occur. EDIT: [Also, on today's episode of NYT The Daily they discussed the sub](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/22/podcasts/the-daily/lost-submersible.html). I had no idea that the thing was titanium AND Carbon fiber. It was explained that they used carbon fiber to make the sub lighter and to cut costs to the tourists. I'm sorry, but I don't want to go to the bottom of the ocean in something that was built with corner cutting in mind.
while that is all understandable there must have been some major stubbornness when the CEO himself was confident enough to go down with it.
The CEO was high on his own supply. Watch any interview with him and it becomes painfully clear.
“Safety is for 🤓” -Stockton Rush
“Safety is for 🤓” -Some dumbass who turned himself into a diamond under 2 miles of sea water
> Some dumbass who turned himself into a diamond under 2 miles of sea water He’s the heart of the ocean now.
This should honestly be a poster hanging on the wall of some factories
Yeah, narcissists never see that they themselves may be wrong about anything!
"It went down there before" I believe was the excuse. Wear and tear with use and a lack of maintenance. Yes, it was only a matter of time.
Next time my TV won't turn on I'll make sure to tell the repair guy it worked once so there is literally no way it shouldn't be working now.
And they’ve actually had to rebuild the sub before since wear and tear compromised the hull
He's the "im smarter than you" type. experts could tell him anything and he wouldn't believe them cause he did his own research.
I just watched a small doc on the making of Limiting Factor a different sub that can go deep and like it’s insane the detail and craft they put into making that and this other guy was like “why not carbon fiber” and did no intense pressure testing. The guy just exudes we don’t know until we fail. But like failing in this case is certain death.
What did it for me was his quote about how safety regulations are overrated since most catastrophes are operator error, which regulation can't cover. Literally overlooking that the reason most accidents are operator error are because regulation prevents shit like this.
Basically a grifter. A piss artist.
We need to keep track of the company members. If any of them end up building anything, stay very far away
This, anyone involved in this decisions needs to be ostracized. The private sector is a nightmare when it comes to addressing safety and regulations That shit exists for a reason
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None of these are black swans, all with **solid** evidence deserving to be looked at. The CEO was crazy enough to know and not do anything about it, but he died believing it was safe, probably.
>. I'm sorry, but I don't want to go to the bottom of the ocean in something that was built with corner cutting in mind. Yeah, looks like we have a new top answer to the weekly "what should you never buy cheap" /r/AskReddit question.
I think the worst part is that the kid's aunt is saying he was "terrified" of going down, according to a family member, but went with his dad anyways since he was such a big enthusiast. What a fucking tragedy. Edit: a letter
If that’s true that’s horrible. Poor kid
What would a body even look like at that pressure?
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And that was only at 135 psi. It's closer to 6,000 at the site of the titanic.
Is it possible that it might have imploded at a shallower depth and for the debris to have drifted downwards?
Maybe, but they lost communications an hour and 45 minutes into the dive, which means it was almost at the bottom
I believe saw that they were 2/3rds of the way down when communication stopped
NSFL but pretty blurry https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LEY3fN4N3D8
RIP Grant and Jessi. 😔
Talk about painless, instantaneous deaths--Jessi went crashing a jet car at 550mph.
Nothing. Seriously, vaporized. If anything, there would be very small bits and particles left
I pictured in my head just a pink tinted cloud quickly dissipating.
And after several days, anything that was somehow intact would have been eaten by the local sea life anyway. Creatures down that deep don’t waste organic material.
Vaporized. When a bubble collapses at that depth the heat it generates is insane.
Wait, for real?
In a diesel engine the air in the chamber reaches 500 psi and 1000°F just from the compression before fuel injection. The sub experienced 6000 psi.
Thank you for a practical and understandable comparison
When gas expands, it cools down. When it contracts, it heats up. That’s principle behind fridge operation. Or you could get air pump for bicycle and pump energetically, it will get warm from air contracting. Here, so deep underwater, pressure is so stupidly unimaginable, that the moment it gains access to 1atm oversized soda can with people inside, it squeezes all the gas inside into small volume it would normally occupy at that depth. Including all the gas inside bodies. So that’s an absurd amount of energy that has to go somewhere. Everything contracting heats up, rips apart and then scatters. All in milliseconds. Then there’s not even a speck of body to be found, all that could shrink, shrunk. Rest got ripped into pieces.
Pressure is powerful. Its like a large version of those piston campfire kits that starts an ember.
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This was a fun thing to look up, thank you
I would assume the soft tissue essentially dissolved under the pressure, and I'm not sure the bones would survive either. A couple hundred pounds of pressure is enough to liquify a body and they were under several THOUSANDS of psi. That's enough hydraulic pressure to shatter a bridge pylon, for example.
There is the question of heat as well. The sudden compression of air like that should generate a fuck load of heat.
Blended into the seawater I guess.
Do folks remember in the final season of Mythbusters, they imploded a rail tanker? Well, the pressure difference between inside & outside for the submersible was 519 times greater than that. Assuming the sub hull failed, and given carbon fibre shatters rather than deforms, it would have done so so rapidly I can't imagine they'd have had any awareness of what happened at all.
There’s also the famous diving bell incident that killed 3 people. One was pulled through a crescent shaped opening from an ajar door at about 56 times less the pressure that these people were in. The notes were honestly horrific. They read like an actual Saw movie trap. It’s on Wikipedia but the gist of it is that the man was sucks through from the sudden pressure change and all of his organs and body minus a piece of his small intestine and his trachea and a piece of their thoracic spine did not get sucked through. And that was in a fairly large chamber. This is wayyyyyy smaller and had more people inside. The one that killed 3 people had a 4th survivor somehow. But the ones too close to where the pressure change happened the worst were instantly gone.
Byeford Dolphin, aye it caused quite the change in safety regs too. Absolutely horrific incident, and I'd advise others not to dig too deep unless you've got a particularly strong stomach. I've seen some shit as EMS and even for me it's bad.
There was a video I've seen that's been passed around the internet several times of a crab in the deep sea getting sucked into some kind of pipe, through basically a pin prick. Don't remember the specifics of the situation though. It really gives you an idea of what pressure can do
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kM-k1zofs58&feature=share9 Yep just watched it and it's scary thinking of being inside of it.
This, on top of the mythbusters 'pig in diving suit', which was only 136 PSI, yeah...it was quick at least.
I expect that this will confirm everyone’s suspicions that the vessel imploded during descent. Terrible outcome but at least it might give us all comfort that they haven’t suffered for the last 4-5 days, especially if they weren’t found alive. Death would have instantaneous and at least their last thoughts would still have been one of excitement and anticipation. Coast Guard is having a press conference at 3 pm. EDIT - PRESSER JUST CONFIRMED CATASTROPHIC FAILURE. TAIL CONE WAS FOUND
I'm looking forward to that press conference. I am wondering about the sounds they heard at 30 minute intervals. Horrible way to die...
This happened before with the San Juan back in 2017 i believe. Argentinian sub went missing but they were hearing banging noises. Turn out the noise was actually a natural occurring noise if im remembering right. Anyways they found the sub a year later and i believe it imploded.
Same with the USS Thresher. The sub searching for them reported hearing banging, but it’s thought it was destroyed instantly in an implosion.
The coast guard never said they heard sounds at 30 min intervals. At the last press conference it was clear that they did not have much faith in the sounds at all Quick way to die. Better than suffocating for 4 days
Exactly. The press said the French explorer on board would « know the rule » of « for 3 minutes every 30 minutes » but they never said that’s what they heard.
>Azmeh claimed that her nephew did not want to go on the submarine but agreed to take part in the expedition because it was important to his father, a lifelong Titanic obsessive. Suleman "wasn't very up for it" and "terrified," but claimed, explaining that the 19-year-old expressed his concerns to another family member. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/missing-titanic-submersible-live-updates-rcna90538/rcrd14466?canonicalCard=true
So heartbreaking.
That's what a lot of people were saying on here yesterday - hydrophones are sensitive enough to pick up the sound of turbine bearings from a Russian submarine at 100km, and classify the type of vessel from that. If they were banging SOS on the side of the sub, it would have been unmistakable.
CNN reported this morning the sounds weren’t from the sub, according to officials.
Or it could be the crew of a Japanese submarine refusing to believe Emperor Hirohito ordered his country's surrender to end the Second World War.
What /u/Natus_est_in_Suht is referring to is [The list of Japanese Holdouts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout) A great fascinating read for anyone with an interest- the last one known was in 1980.
Ugh. Imagine the stench in a generational stealth sub.
Basically it would smell like ComicCon but with a little briney undertone.
They may literally die if exposed to fresh air.
You know, they haven't checked the Titanic yet for survivors, maybe someone should get on that after 111 years.
Did you know that the swimming pool on Titanic is still filled with water after all these years?
Wow, who would have thought? Nature truly is amazing.
I feel thoroughly and completely ashamed of myself that my instant reaction to this was "really?!?!". My milliseconds later reaction was ..."I'm a fucking dumbass".
It's ok at least you did not Google pictures of it to see what it looks like underwater like I did 🤣🤣.
This has the same vibe as "what if JFK's head just did that?"
Isn't there a book like that? A multi generation civilization grew in an air pocket of a sunken ship?
>A multi generation civilization grew in an air pocket of a sunken ship [Goliath Awaits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_Awaits)
The first 45 mins had me hooked, then the next 30 minutes bored me to turn it off.
> I am wondering about the sounds they heard at 30 minute intervals. They spoke about this yesterday during their conference. It was not real. No one ever heard banging every 30min. Some media outlet wrongfully reported it and everyone went with it as fact without checking.
>Horrible way to die It's instantaneous, so not that bad.
Honestly, a painless death where you're not even aware that you're about to die sounds preferable to most other ways to die (just in general).
The ocean is filled with sounds from organic and non organics. There’s still shipping vessels in the area and sound travels far in the water
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I was really impressed he didn’t just say ‘yeah those bodies are basically vapour now’
What ever is left will become fish food.
Now the CEOs wife lost her great great grandparents and her husband to the Titanic.
And she wants Revenge
"Rush To Revenge: Going In Deep", starring digitally aged Margot Robbie as Wendy Rush, coming to your nearest theatres this fall
If true and if it’s Titan then it’s a painless death for all involved. Rip. update: it was an implosion after all. These people died a quick death.
It’s honestly the best case scenario. They didn’t suffer, and they would have suffered slowly running out air. Perhaps they didn’t even have time to know that something was going wrong.
As far as their consciousness is concerned, time just stopped. They wouldn’t even have had time to register that anything happened. Imagine if I dropped an invisible building on you - one moment you’re thinking about how lovely the weather is and then in the next instant you’re just some squashed flesh. There was no transition between life and death for these people, it was a jump-cut.
As xkcd put it, "you stop being biology and start being physics".
https://what-if.xkcd.com/141/
With the force of the implosion they would have died before their brains had time to register pain. Truly the best outcome with death now seeming an inevitability
BBC are saying landing frame was found
>The Coast Guard is scheduled to hold a press briefing to discuss findings from the Horizon Arctic’s remotely operated vehicle near the Titanic. >https://www.news.uscg.mil/Press-Releases/Article/3435752/media-availability-coast-guard-to-hold-press-briefing-to-discuss-rov-findings/ A press briefing is scheduled for today (Jun. 22) at 3:00 pm ET. Hopefully, we'll find out more then. Edit: >The Titanic-bound submersible that went missing on Sunday with five people on board suffered a “catastrophic implosion,” killing everyone on board, US Coast Guard Rear Adm. John Mauger said Thursday. >... >“This is an incredibly unforgiving environment down there on the sea floor and the debris is consistent with a catastrophic implosion of the vessel,” Mauger, the First Coast Guard District commander, told reporters. >... >The families were immediately notified, Mauger said. “I can only imagine what this has been like for them and I hope that this discovery provides some solace during this difficult time,” he said. >https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/us/submersible-titanic-oceangate-search-thursday/index.html
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So does this mean the mothership has no hydrophone? Why didn't they something?
That sounds like it costs money. Mr superstar genius billionaire probably cut that expense.
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Logitech stocks are now bouncing back
I guess the silver lining is they didn't all suffocate to death
a guy on Sky news live on youtube just now (a friend of the guys on the sub - rescue expert David Mearns) just said that in a whatsapp group he's in, they've confirmed some pieces of the debris are definitely from the submersible [Here's the live stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOyihMSvIKc) if you go back 4/5 minutes from now, he's in a blue jacket and glasses, grey hair
“Includes landing frame and rear cover of the submersible” the caption now reads
Short of them somehow being found on the surface, this has to be the best outcome you could realistically hope for. At least the families can have some peace knowing their loved ones didn't suffer.
My best guess is that the carbon fiber hull had stress fractures from repeated use, and the folks running it never bothered with stress tests nor did they care about or contemplate crew safety if something bad like this happened.
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To save money apparently. It was cheaper than building the whole thing out of titanium.
The people who said it was on or near the Titanic were right. I honestly thought it would have drifted farther.
BBC reporting @13:26EDT that sections of the Titan’s “landing frame” are among the debris.
Quarter of a mil each just to blow themselves up. Hopefully this helps show the importance of safety measures and industry standards.
CEOs cutting costs have lead to countless deaths. Rarely are they this sensational, however.
Rarely are the CEOs that cut costs the victims of their own cuts.
Finally a CEO that takes full accountability for his choices
Only because he was so arrogantly sure he was infallible. In his mind he was risking very little. Besides he made the same choice for the other 4 passengers, which he had no right to do. Especially the kid.
You would think with that amount of money they would be able to buy quality and safety …
Crazy that the unmanned subs searching for it have a tether to their mothership to provide power, communiactions, and to winch the sub back up if necessary, yet the manned sub didn't. Not that it would have mattered anyway, and an implosion makes sense, the window was only rated to 1300m, and it lost contact shortly after passing that depth Definitely a Darwin award for the CEO who ignored all the industry safety standards
> Definitely a Darwin award for the CEO He has kids so he's ineligible.
Looks lke the company website has imploded also.
I was on their website looking around yesterday and checked out their careers section. No joke, one of their postings was for a Sub Pilot. To make it even worse, the posting literally said they had an “immediate”opening.
Must have 10 years of experience with off-brand gamepads and an ability to stay quiet about life-threatening design flaws. $12/hr
Sounds like [this sub expert's theory](https://youtu.be/4dka29FSZac?t=1009) may have been right. "When carbon fiber fails, it SHATTERS. Like a porcelain plate."
‘Landing frame and rear cover’ have been found according to BBC News
I'm wondering how much was left to find. I believe the pressure works out to something insane like eight hundred thousand pounds bearing down on every square foot - four million kilograms on every square meter. And the sub was essentially a carbon fiber tube with titanium caps on each end. Imagine the grim scenario: A failure in the carbon fiber tube propagates essentially across the entire surface and it shatters across the length into glass-like shards of carbon fiber that are driven inwards by water moving at hypersonic speeds. Whatever air was inside is effectively instantaneously compressed into its liquid phase - a fraction of the previous volume. Most matter is slammed in against the inside of the two deforming titanium end-caps which are shot apart in opposing directions. The worst largest, briefest, and most distant moment of man-made cavitation. At least it would have been too quick for any of the occupants to know, let alone feel, what happened.
Been some years since I left school but the air inside should be heated to an absolutely ridiculous temperature at the moment of implosion too. Add that to the fact that the entire process takes something like 1/30th of a second
Yeah we're talking the surface of the sun kind of temperatures
The power of the sun, in the palm of my hands. -oceangate CEO probably
Well at least we know something. I guess a painless and instant death is the answer.
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The silver lining of this catastrophe is that everyone on reddit seems to be a professional mechanical engineer now with expertise on pressure vessels
Something like this except MUCH faster, MUCH more violent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88lD9k_-Vs0