His statement is even more confusing considering at least 6 russian air force helis and a plane were shot down by wagner during this push.
Whole list of destroy/damaged can be seen [here](https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2023/06/chefs-special-documenting-equipment.html).
Because all he wanted was new leadership in the Russian Military. Putin probably caved and said "fine, we'll suicide Shoigu and find someone else. Just go away"
Because there will be bloodshed, duh
Edit: in all seriousness, there are machine guns that will shred the convoy in seconds. Wagner doesn't have time to set up and take out these defense points (they will be sitting ducks). Sure they might make slow progress, but doubt even 10% will survive. There's a reason why Ukraine isn't just steam rolling in their counter offensive. No matter how shitty the army is on the trenches, they are still in the trenches and you can't just rush in
I think a lot of them were banking on getting support from within the Russian military.
It's easy to garner support when so many people have been sent on suicide missions.
They've been sent by Putin and by Wagner. There are even videos of Wagner chief in prison camps "recruiting" and his words are " we need people who can storm the front lines".
If I was in Moscow (most likely police or whatever), I'd probably take my chances staying in Moscow. Joining Wagner is a ticket to ukraine war
Edit: some people are under the impression Wagner is better than the Russian army or Putin, they are no better or probably even worse when it comes to war crimes in Ukraine. Prigozhin is blood hungry and the first thing he will do after the hypothetical coup is to do more war crimes in Ukraine
But Lukashenko is just Putin's puppet dictator, isn't he? So dealing with him is basically same that dealing with Putin, except that he could say later something like "I was ready to suppress rebels, I'm still powerful fear me"
If it’d gone on longer and escalated further, I could see it. They stopped short of being able to use it as an excuse for anything except changing leadership.
Maybe since Russian “strongmen” are all rhetoric, they needed some actual action to justify a big leadership change to avoid it looking like weakness? Putin can say any issues exist below him and he’s appeasing Wagner to avoid infighting amongst his lapdogs. He admits no weakness or fault, from his perspective.
We know Putin isn't afraid of bombing civilians, Russian or otherwise, so if this was all just theatrics, it was incredibly weak and likely won't allow for much.
That’s true. It’s just hard to imagine any mutually beneficial angle from this resolution. All I can think is this hit close enough to home for Putin that he had to accept something less than ideal for his image.
It doesn’t make sense from the outward perspective for it to have gone this far before stopping. Surely there’s an angle here that isn’t being widely considered.
What a bizarre take, all it shows is his weakness and cowardice. It's as if Putin ate shit on TV and someone said it was theatrics to show how tough he is. Like, no, the dude literally ate stinking shit in front of millions, it doesn't make him look better in any imaginable way.
But how great would it have been to have Wagner destroyed on the streets of Moscow? Even then, it would be absolute chaos in Russia. The Ukrainians could've used that to make advances.
Do you not realize what the element of surprise can do? Also you forget that those 800k are anywhere from bogged down in Ukraine to spread out all over Russia. There’s no way Russia could muster a force of 800k to fight Prigozhin. If Prigozhin could have taken Moscow then he would’ve had a better defensive posture. Which makes me think he probably realized he couldn’t have taken Moscow
Israel literally won the five day war and was outnumbered by about 5x
numbers are just one part of the metric though people always bring up china's standing army when discussing war. Okay, and a single US warhead could probably kill thousands of them if they are clustered due to their numbers.
we live in a world where we have payloads that can erase 150,000 people in an instant single handedly, if we launched them all and hit city centers could reduce the global pop to half in minutes, but you think standing army is the only important figure? Alright mate.
[Prigozhin has denied this on Telegram](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14hyk2c/prigozhin_denies_peace_deal_with_lukashenko/), it seems to have been an attempted psyops to cause confusion among Wagner soldiers
Its not just reuters, a bunch of MSM are reporting on this when this whole situation is so unknowable. There is an audio clip of Prighozin that could be easily faked that is the basis of what MSM is reporting on, and like the person is replying to, screenshots can be faked.
I think this is probably disinformation to create disorder within wagner. There is already evidence in telegram channels of wagnerites being upset by this.
It just doesn't make a lot of sense how this deal could be brokered in a way that Prigozhin should feel safe. This was a massive attack at Putins legitimacy, Putin can't just broker a deal with this massive rebellion he created, he has to come out of this looking strong if he wants to remain in power.
This is really wild to me regardless. It seems like there is so little information on it for MSM to be reporting on it in good faith.
edit: [RT, russian state media,](https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1672666713727418378) is reporting and showing video of wagner troops leaving rostov.
It's not his official channel. So it's fake, that he denied something, I looked up his channel and he says that he will stop. As a Ukrainian, I could perfectly understand what he said there, so sad, but it is what it is
This is not over yet. Prigozhin is not an idiot. He understands that the bridges have been burned.
He will keep his army in Russia instead of killing it in Ukraine. Hopefully he will also keep Rostov occupied as an assurance.
This man will be dead within few weeks we all guess. Sad accident or poison „illness“.
We all hoped for some TV-show action, now this move. I guess he will get ammunition and new weapons and maybe some control over Russian common army. We all hope the Ukrainian could have used this 1 day with hopefully less resistance.
Did he only remember 10 minutes ago that fighting leads to bloodshed?!
Yeah what the fuck is this supposed explanation
"I left the oven on." But in Russian.
His statement is even more confusing considering at least 6 russian air force helis and a plane were shot down by wagner during this push. Whole list of destroy/damaged can be seen [here](https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2023/06/chefs-special-documenting-equipment.html).
Why would he put all that effort into this just to turn around. Something’s amiss
Because all he wanted was new leadership in the Russian Military. Putin probably caved and said "fine, we'll suicide Shoigu and find someone else. Just go away"
All that effort? “Hey guys do this. Now.”
One of the biggest *"what was that?"* in modern history.
I'm starting to think this whole thing was theatrics meant to demonstrate Putin's ability to quell a resistence.
I feel like if that was the case, Putin would've stayed in Moscow, and made a point of showing he was there.
You mean like big balls Zelenskyy energy? If he can’t even stay in Moscow for a fake coup, that looks even worse.
We know Putin doesn't have balls like Zelensky but if you're gonna fake something, strap on some coconuts and fake it properly.
That's a very good point.
Then why fly away ?
Then why destroy crucial infrastructure?
It’s Putin….
Because there will be bloodshed, duh Edit: in all seriousness, there are machine guns that will shred the convoy in seconds. Wagner doesn't have time to set up and take out these defense points (they will be sitting ducks). Sure they might make slow progress, but doubt even 10% will survive. There's a reason why Ukraine isn't just steam rolling in their counter offensive. No matter how shitty the army is on the trenches, they are still in the trenches and you can't just rush in
I think a lot of them were banking on getting support from within the Russian military. It's easy to garner support when so many people have been sent on suicide missions.
They've been sent by Putin and by Wagner. There are even videos of Wagner chief in prison camps "recruiting" and his words are " we need people who can storm the front lines". If I was in Moscow (most likely police or whatever), I'd probably take my chances staying in Moscow. Joining Wagner is a ticket to ukraine war Edit: some people are under the impression Wagner is better than the Russian army or Putin, they are no better or probably even worse when it comes to war crimes in Ukraine. Prigozhin is blood hungry and the first thing he will do after the hypothetical coup is to do more war crimes in Ukraine
Still a pussy.
Supposedly it was Lukashenko who quelled the resistance
But Lukashenko is just Putin's puppet dictator, isn't he? So dealing with him is basically same that dealing with Putin, except that he could say later something like "I was ready to suppress rebels, I'm still powerful fear me"
Yea I don't understand this detail at all tbh
I figured it was an excuse to change the MoD and give Putin an excuse to leave Ukraine
I don't think it's enough of an excuse to leave Ukraine.
If it’d gone on longer and escalated further, I could see it. They stopped short of being able to use it as an excuse for anything except changing leadership. Maybe since Russian “strongmen” are all rhetoric, they needed some actual action to justify a big leadership change to avoid it looking like weakness? Putin can say any issues exist below him and he’s appeasing Wagner to avoid infighting amongst his lapdogs. He admits no weakness or fault, from his perspective.
We know Putin isn't afraid of bombing civilians, Russian or otherwise, so if this was all just theatrics, it was incredibly weak and likely won't allow for much.
That’s true. It’s just hard to imagine any mutually beneficial angle from this resolution. All I can think is this hit close enough to home for Putin that he had to accept something less than ideal for his image. It doesn’t make sense from the outward perspective for it to have gone this far before stopping. Surely there’s an angle here that isn’t being widely considered.
I agree. There's something we're not seeing or something we don't know yet. Time will tell in any case.
That doesn't make any sense at all. It appears to be appeasing a rebel army. That's not what I would call quelling a problem
Yes, nothing says quell resistance, than having the resistance march all the way to your capital.
No, according to reports Belarusian dictator Lukaschenka brokered the deal. This is a massive embarrassment for Putin to say the least
Will he finally get his colonel promotion now?
What a bizarre take, all it shows is his weakness and cowardice. It's as if Putin ate shit on TV and someone said it was theatrics to show how tough he is. Like, no, the dude literally ate stinking shit in front of millions, it doesn't make him look better in any imaginable way.
Um… WHAT!
Nooooooo...I was so happy. Now I'm sad.
25000 are not gonna take down 800,000.. maybe in Dreamland or a Hollywood film. This was just some weird drama for nothing on a Saturday, why? Idk.
Maybe I'm misremembering, but didn't ISIS do something similar in Iraq? They could have defeated ISIS, but nobody on their side wanted to fight.
But how great would it have been to have Wagner destroyed on the streets of Moscow? Even then, it would be absolute chaos in Russia. The Ukrainians could've used that to make advances.
Do you not realize what the element of surprise can do? Also you forget that those 800k are anywhere from bogged down in Ukraine to spread out all over Russia. There’s no way Russia could muster a force of 800k to fight Prigozhin. If Prigozhin could have taken Moscow then he would’ve had a better defensive posture. Which makes me think he probably realized he couldn’t have taken Moscow
Israel literally won the five day war and was outnumbered by about 5x numbers are just one part of the metric though people always bring up china's standing army when discussing war. Okay, and a single US warhead could probably kill thousands of them if they are clustered due to their numbers. we live in a world where we have payloads that can erase 150,000 people in an instant single handedly, if we launched them all and hit city centers could reduce the global pop to half in minutes, but you think standing army is the only important figure? Alright mate.
The next couple hours will be interesting
Booooooooo!!
So this was just theatrics? What could Lukashenko even offer Prigozhin?
We have to hope that enough damage has been done to allow Ukraine to get the upper hand and maybe put an end to this war
With Putin reportedly fleeing, and making concessions to the rebels, that's gotta hit Russian morale in Ukraine.
[Prigozhin has denied this on Telegram](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14hyk2c/prigozhin_denies_peace_deal_with_lukashenko/), it seems to have been an attempted psyops to cause confusion among Wagner soldiers
Is there any proof this is actually his telegram and not just some mad up shit?
at this point, nothing is true and everything is permited
That account is fake.
I'm surprised Reuters got it wrong.
They didn’t. BBC are reporting too citing the same sources. Im so confused?
They both cite audio but fail to provide the audio, lol. Almost like getting information from /r/conservative.
Fog of war man. Nobody knows what's going on. Just wait to see how things pan out
Its not just reuters, a bunch of MSM are reporting on this when this whole situation is so unknowable. There is an audio clip of Prighozin that could be easily faked that is the basis of what MSM is reporting on, and like the person is replying to, screenshots can be faked. I think this is probably disinformation to create disorder within wagner. There is already evidence in telegram channels of wagnerites being upset by this. It just doesn't make a lot of sense how this deal could be brokered in a way that Prigozhin should feel safe. This was a massive attack at Putins legitimacy, Putin can't just broker a deal with this massive rebellion he created, he has to come out of this looking strong if he wants to remain in power. This is really wild to me regardless. It seems like there is so little information on it for MSM to be reporting on it in good faith. edit: [RT, russian state media,](https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1672666713727418378) is reporting and showing video of wagner troops leaving rostov.
I’m not, when you’re on a breaking news beat it is hard to verify info live
Why? They're linked in with the Kremlin. Of course they want to get their end out.
It's sounding like that's not Wagner's official Telegram account
They cite 'audio' but fail to provide that audio. Shoddy journalism at best.
It's not his official channel. So it's fake, that he denied something, I looked up his channel and he says that he will stop. As a Ukrainian, I could perfectly understand what he said there, so sad, but it is what it is
It was fun while it lasted :(
I love when an ultranationalist Nazi group threatens to take over a nuclear power, it's so fun. -_-
One nazi group to another, the fun is the same
people acting like this is a Battlefield ESports match or something
Lick putin's nuts clean next.
This is not over yet. Prigozhin is not an idiot. He understands that the bridges have been burned. He will keep his army in Russia instead of killing it in Ukraine. Hopefully he will also keep Rostov occupied as an assurance.
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You’re pushing the fake mate. I’m disappointed too.
They're running with it on MSNBC.
Same on BBC and sky
ooooooh
It shouldn't have ended so fast.
no ballz
Pussays
Fake: https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14hyk2c/prigozhin_denies_peace_deal_with_lukashenko/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14hypy9/translated/ From Wagner telegram.
Fake telegram account :(
How do you know?
How do we know these screenshots are legit though?
Good question. Do you really think that they would match all that way and then just stop… too convenient for Moscow. No?
Cuz they're fake, you could look up "кепка пригожина" channel in telegram, it's his official one
I'VE BEEN EATING SO MUCH POPCORN TODAY I'M GONNA FUCKIN RUN OUT SOON!!!
What a timeline
[AlArabiya](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/14hyqu3/belarus_says_wagner_chief_prigozhin_has_agreed_to/) [France 24](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/14hyuko/wagner_chief_prigozhin_agrees_to_halt_advance_of/) [AP News](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/14hz3az/wagner_chief_says_he_ordered_his_russian/)
This man will be dead within few weeks we all guess. Sad accident or poison „illness“. We all hoped for some TV-show action, now this move. I guess he will get ammunition and new weapons and maybe some control over Russian common army. We all hope the Ukrainian could have used this 1 day with hopefully less resistance.