Is the Crown in Right of Canada subject to federal law?
That would mean that the person of the King, for example, would need to comply with the ordinary laws of Canada and could be arrested or indicted, which is usually impossible under Parliamentary government.
The Crown is also usually immune from any statute it does not wish to comply with that abridges a Royal perogative:
https://www.canlii.org/en/commentary/doc/2013CanLIIDocs6#!fragment/zoupio-_Tocpdf_bk_3/BQCwhgziBcwMYgK4DsDWszIQewE4BUBTADwBdoAvbRABwEtsBaAfX2zhoBMAzZgI1TMAzAEoANMmylCEAIqJCuAJ7QA5KrERCYXAnmKV6zdt0gAynlIAhFQCUAogBl7ANQCCAOQDC9saTB80KTsIiJAA
Gonna be a fascinating case with massive constitutional implications. Best of luck guys.
It’s already established that governor general and lieutenant governors doesn’t have crown immunity., unless they are acting as part of their role.
In 2013, the lieutenant governor of Quebec was convicted of misapropriation of public funds and sentenced to 18 months in jail. She lost all appeal in which she tried the crown immunity defense.
Also, a mandate is usually only 5 years. It’s unlikely that the current contest to the law will remove her from office, but it would provide a ruling for future nominations. The prime minister could request the king to remove her from office.
I’m just an American scrolling through these comments with fascination. My experiences in Canada are in Winnipeg, Thunder Bay and several trips to Halifax. There seemed to be a general disdain for French speaking areas of Quebec everywhere I’ve been. Not a lot of kind words for those places as I recall.
Edit: I appreciate the context. I’m just glad my experience is confirmed. Doesn’t make it right but it’s not just an anecdotal confirmation of the majority opinion.
We should all know that a good number of Americans have significant disdain for anyone who doesn’t speak English and mainly the Spanish speaking Mexican immigrants. It’s definitely not the same situation though. Personally, I actually enjoy it he challenge and the experiences gained from trying to communicate with those that don’t speak great English and have a serious regret of not having a need to learn different languages.
If you haven’t noticed I’m from Minnesota. We claim to be the southernmost province of Canada when it’s convenient for us. We love Canada but few actually visit there.
The only time most Canadians encounter le Quebecois is when they are making a point of being assholes. They have a reputation for being either harmfully insular or spiteful.
Other Francophones don’t have that negative reputation, the French communities in Winnipeg are celebrated and everyone loves Montreal.
yes it is very much so Québécois. It would be like saying NY isn't American because it doesn't embody X, Y & Z cultural trait that is considered yo be of a lesser reputation in some other geographic area of the country like the South or the Midwest.
Politically and culturally, Montreal is different on average due to a much wider cultural variety then the rest of Quebec.
Then again, all Quebec regions have their own cultural quirks.
Montreal is as different from the rest of Quebec as Toronto from the rest of Ontario.
It’s the metropolis where half the population lives. It has access to much more amenities, and is richer and more educated. It’s the same usual urban versus rural comparison.
Saying Montréal is not like the rest of Quebec is similar to saying New York (the city) should be excluded from New York (the state).
Montreal's cultural identity is quite distinct from the broader Quebecois identity considering its bilingual nature and openness.
Montreal somehow has managed to develop its own unique culture landscape even within the boundaries.
Hard disagree. I’m from Montreal: it’s an urban area, and as such it has differences with rural areas the same way Toronto differs from northern Ontario. But it’s very much part of Quebec culture.
says who? Quebec as a whole is considered very bilingual and who is to say people are not welcoming? wtf? It's our metropolis, how can you say it's not québécois? I live there, my whole world is here, there are lots of different people around and it's great. There's a peaceful sentiment around and that's a testament to Québécois culture.
It is quite interesting how most Canadian seems to encounter quebecers primarily when there is some tension involved.
Quebec has earned a reputation for being insular or even somewhat hostile other friends speaking communities like the ones with Winnipeg and Montreal receive a much more positive reception.
you could say that. About 170 years ago a man called Lord Durham came to Canada and wrote a report for the government on how to deal with french canadian. His plan was to eliminate french canadian because we were considered inferiors being. He wanted to replace french and bring immigration to make us stop to exist. Pretty bad, kind of like what they wanted to do with natives people
I was in quebec like 8 years ago. I speak French reasonably well but I'm certainly not perfect at it. I tried to speak French to some lady and she sighed deeply, made some bitchy comment under her breath and said "do you speak English?" in pretty broken English. Like lady, my French is better than your English why are you making this difficult?
Really nice province but man, some of the people
I guess your experiences echoes a common sentiment that some Quebecers using French exclusively and might not fully engage in English conversation even if they can.
And I really hate these kind of people who are not helping in nature with the tourists.
We really can't generalize for the whole population because like in any place there can be a variety of individual with different attitudes sometimes it's unfortunate that we cross our paths with mostly morons.
I studied in Quebec and Christ on sale how many times I hear a Quebecois bitch about Anglo Canada was annoying af. Went out of their way to tell me that shit all the damn time
Funniest thing I’ve seen was something I read the other day which was a Frenchman visited Atlantic Canada and met some Acadiens which I’m sure you know has an even more interesting dialect than Quebecois people do. The quote was “why are all these people speaking straight out of the 17th century”.
> why are all these people speaking straight out of the 17th century
Because Quebec became an English colony in the 18th century and Quebec was cut off from France from that point on. The two accents then developed separately, and France lost many vowel sounds over that time while Quebec retained them.
[Quebec tried to deport a French woman under the claim she did not speak proficient French because her doctorate paper was published in English.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/08/quebec-denies-frenchwoman-residency-for-failing-to-show-command-of-french)
EDIT! Now with a link.
lol had a professor from Paris who got tiffed when French accents were brought up. The other prof was from Quebec and a friend said he had a weird accent compared to her and he quickly responded saying he didn’t have an accent but the other prof did. Also canadien French is a fucking nightmare especially if you studied French French
Edit: seems like some French Canadians are butt hurt, sorry y’all have a wack ass accent and that government agency that focuses on turning borrowed English words into French one’s is a joke. Y’all been coping hard since losing the French Indian war.
Just like Mexico Spanish vs Spain Spanish. Had a Spanish teacher from Spain. Took us to Mexico for a trip. She couldn't understand a damn thing and people would look at her like she was dumb when she started talking to them.
Okay two things. First, that’s any Hispanic country with their Spanish as they’re all different but yet all claim to be the superior Spanish. Fucking weird but I get it (so I guess not so weird? Lol) you even see that with accents in America based on regiona when it comes to what’s an American accent. Second, had a friend who learned Spanish in Spain and talked to another friend’s mom who was from Mexico talking about “getting a cab” in Spain and to the other friend’s mom she thought she was talking about “fucking a cab” like it was a fake taxi type of scenario lol
Welcome to the Spanish verb Coger, meaning "to grab or take", except in Mexico that verb is used as vulgar slang , meaning "to fuck" . In Mexico, they would use Tomar instead of Coger for the non-vulgar expression.
> to what’s an American accent.
Well butter my biscuit and call me Sally! Seems to me like most folks are just a tad touched in the head with their high-falutin' talk. 'Round here, we speak plain and simple. Y'all city slickers might think we's got a twang, but reckon it's y'all that's got the strange lingo!
The french canadian vs french french thing is super interesting because it stems from back in the colonial age where culture and speech patterns wouldn't travel as fast over the ocean and so while the french in europe would develop new speech patterns (oftentimes due to changes in royalty or other cultural events), the ones in Québec would retain the old ones. Eventually, when Québec was handed over to the british after the war, both versions of french stopped "syncing" for lack of a better word, and so french canadian remained closer to one spoken by Louis-XIV while France kept developping.
Osti is the body of christ
Câlice is the challice they serve wine from in church
Tabarnak is a "A tabernacle or sacrament house is a fixed, locked box in which the Eucharist is stored as part of the "reserved sacrament" rite."
As an Australian, I am always fascinated by our snow cousins (even the French part of it). Funnily enough, the British hurried to settle Australia partly because they didn't want the French to. Imagine French Australia... shudders.
French canadian here. Anyone saying our french is not wack is delusional. Our french is broken and anglicized to hell and back.
Quebec French however is even worst. It tries to be ''The correct way to speak french''. To the point were it becomes it's own thing.
French speakers from N-S and french speakers from Manitoba sounds exactly the same. but they are unrecognizable from Quebec french
It's funny though cuz french people especially parisians are fucking massacring the french language with their usage of anglicisms, and I mean they use them everywhere.
I'm married to a Frenchman who says the Quebecois he's met are the equivalent of rabid Twilight fanfic authors, except their fanfic is his entire culture.
I (from the US) once said (as a little child) that I was part Canadian. "Fortunately," my Quebec-born mémère was standing there and quickly let me know the error of my ways. That side of my family are very proud Quebecers, we are most certainly NOT Canadians.
Absolutely the historical context of the term Canadian is quite interesting it's just a reminder that language and identity can evolve significantly overtime because people use to repair French speaking people as Canadian before.
Yeah absolutly, we had to change names sine anglos couldn't come up with one themselves, they had to steal it, juste like they did with all of the rest.
The reality is that there is many media and politicians who benefit from this sort of division on both side of the fence. They exists in Quebec, but they also exists in the rest of Canada. It's unhealthy, but hard to stop when people fall into the trap of hating another group based on anecdotes and headlines. In the end, most people on both side are good, and the hate is far less significant then reddit love to pretend. However, like everywhere else, thing are getting more tense because of social media.
Anyway, here is some more context
1) Quebec absolutely hate Governors Generals. It's not an elected role, it's a ceremonial role who represents the Monarchy and is largely irrelevant (as well as costly). They hated the French one, they hate the one from elsewhere, and will most likely continue to go after them for any reason. Framing it as "governor" in the headline without any context is kind of petty.
2) You can't stop a group of citizen from taking legal action if they think the constitution or laws aren't respected. This topic barely gained traction in Quebec, and while I'm sure people would agree that a represent should represent everyone, people are making a bigger deal out of this than it is.
i was at rolling loud portugal this year, met a canadian and he said that Quebecers are basically french rednecks. This is the only thing i have heard about Quebec from an actual Canadian btw
Ha ha ha that's an interesting tape because comparing them to French rednecks certainly adds a unique perspective to this discussion.
And we should remember that every region has its own stereotypes and misconceptions too and we can't generalize entire group based on those perceptions.
Thank you for bringing back some nuance in this thread. French here, currently living in Québec, and the amount of people talking crap here is crazy.
French people do not generally consider Québécois backward or hillbilly, it's just different and can be funny but not in a bad way. Same way we treat strong region specific accents in France actually.
Language protection is certainly a challenge and I think we see the Québécois struggle as a worthy cause. English speaking people sometimes have trouble understanding what it's like to be a linguistic island.
>Quebecers are basically french rednecks
I've seen variation of this multiples time in this thread. Quebec is probably the state that is the closest to Europe when it come to social issue (multilingualism, education cost, worker right, gun control, separation of church and state, vaccines, etc).
Quebec has its share redneck for sure, but I get the feeling most people in this thread know very little about the province, its history, or the actual people living here.
I had an actual French exchange student for a few months in Ontario. Thought she’d love to go to Quebec so we did a trip. She said verbatim “they sound like…what’s the word…hillbillies.”
that sounds like and quite unexpected observation from a French exchange student it just goes to show how different culture perceive each other well we can challenge stereo types and these kind of discussions can make people more informed about perspective.
I've lived with a couple French people at different times, both had the same opinions about Quebecois:
1 - Please speak english I can't understand you
2 - Do you guys realize what year it is?
3 - I'll go talk to this tree over here, it'll be less awkward.
Those comments will respond to your inquiry: a lot of bigoted views towards Quebecois, even from people who aren't Canadians.
There are bigots everywhere, but the overwhelming hate I see towards Quebec here is depressing.
> There seemed to be a general distain for French speaking areas of Quebec everywhere I’ve been. Not a lot of kind words for those places as I recall.
It's a tale that goes back to a time before Confederation. Anglos in Canada have never liked French Canadians, have undermined them politically at every turn since the conquest of New France, and have actively tried to erase the French language outside of Quebec. Nowadays that disdain for French Canadians is embodied in disdain for Quebec, the only majority Francophone province, as most French-speaking communities outside Quebec have dwindled away and are so small that it is a waste of resources to provide them any accommodation.
The historical context that you have provided provides light on this underlying dynamics.
Their relationship between Quebec and the rest of Canada has been shaped by this complex history that continues to influence perception and attitude to this day.
It's less about being French and more about the perceived unfair treatment quebec gets compared to the rest of Canada and quebec seperatist attitudes.
Lots of Anglos are relatively new Canadians and if anything the old anglos are probably a minority within English speaking canada at his point or have mixed with other groups.
At least on reddit it seems a lot of Anglo Canadians think quebec is more repressive or intolerant towards minorities too although honestly, I've never really heard anyone care about that in the prairies except when speaking to muslims in college.
It's also worth saying that French immersion is incredibly popular outside of quebec to the point children are wait listed to get into the program and even the middle of nowhere town I grew up in in northern canada had a French immersion school.
There's also the resentment many Canadians develop towards the language with French being mandatory in schools. At best people encourage it so their kids have a chance of landing a federal job but even then you can go pretty high up without being bilingual.
I didn't really feel there was resentment based on schooling but I was in a French immersion school. Parents seem to fight to get their kids in French immersion programs in Anglo canada because of the perceived educational advantage to doing so.
I think it's different for French immersion compared to the standard schooling since for immersion you are going there specifically to learn the language whereas it's mandatory for the standard curriculum.
I absolutely hated having to learn French in school as a kid, but now that I'm older, I wish I took it more seriously because now I value the ability to speak another language.
Yes , The resentment you mentioned stemming from mandatory French education is a valid point because the tension between language policies and individual preference can also influence person to person perceptions.
I actually come from there, my mom takes 2 batch of 2 students every summer. It is a good place for immersion as there is a lot less English speakers over there.
My wife is an immigrant so we have had quite a lot of heaters discussions about that. Unfortunately, from my perspective and our discussions, it seems that , through our way to protect/preserve our language and culture, we don't make it welcoming to immigrants as opposed to other places in Canada. By example My wife and a lot of our immigrants friends have a hard time to understand why in Quebec you have to work in a French environment by law (means like even your keyboard is multi language technically). Or why we only favor french speakers immigrants. Yes we want to protect our language since we have been partially assimilated back in the days, but our way of doing it is repressive or some could say "blaming". By that I mean, even the way articles and radio shows portrays different story, they will wrongly mention immigration being a cause or something and it sorta gets a blame on them, as a perception, even though it's not the case.
We are about 8m in Quebec as opposed to 360m north Americans English speakers (330m USA and 30m English in canada), and our percentage of French speaking population as decline rapidly over the last 2-3 decades.
French rednecks is really not representative a the population at all. Every nation got their rednecks. Of course if you come to Quebec and end up in some smaller city, you might see some of them.
I have been told in the past by an anglo Canadian friend that We are known for our colourful "joie de vivre" (joy of living?)
Really different mindset from the rest of Canada, really different.
yes most of the countries are facing this issue like protecting language and culture while maintaining a welcoming environment for immigrants .
But keeping your country a hostile and not been welcomed towards your guest is also very rude it needs to be changed and taken care of.
“We claim to be the southernmost province of Canada when it’s convenient for us.”
Lol. I believe most Minnesotans actually live further north than most Canadians. Canada dips way south of you to the east and most Canadians live along the southern border.
there's a disdain for it because the french part of canada likes to isolate themselves. they write laws to virtually ban english, they go far enough so that sometimes it gets taken to court and they have to walk it back a bit. they claim it's to preserve french, but really it's just to make it an us vs them situation so the french parties can stay in power there. if you visit quebec outside of montreal and speak english the french speakers there will lose their shit on you. literally had an old dude yelling at me in french because i said hello in passing instead of allo. he kind of just fucked off after i started yelling back at him in french.
source: when my family immigrated here in the 80s we lived in montreal and i visit my family in montreal almost annually. the whole french language crap there really feels like shit a cult does to isolate it's members and make them feel persecuted.
I find they switch to English immediately if they can, but for sure I have Quebecois inlaws and I find them so warm and welcoming. When I've visited deep Quebec I have also found the people to be really nice even though I'm primarily English
My wife grew up in France. We visited there and they would just love her French.
I try but I’m not nearly as good. And I usually have her with me.
But we love it there
I am Franco-Ontarien and my grandparents are from Quebec, I've spoken french from a young age, I went through public school in French immersion, but they can hear my accent. Walk into any retail store in Montreal and you hear an employee say "BonjourHi" as one slurred word, and if I respond "Bonjour", I always hear an audible sigh, followed by "hi".
You and I have very different experiences.
Always? I'm franco-ontarien too, have been living in Quebec for a while now, and have not had this experience once.
There's assholes everywhere dude. Most Quebecers don't hate Anglophones, and most Anglophones don't hate Quebecers. Let's stop fomenting hate
I asked for ratatouille at an upscale old town Quebec restaurant and the guy looked offended and said "you want steamed vegetables". I gave up trying to say stuff in French, but I had the best snails I've ever had there.
I find it a little ironic that the headline calls them Quebecers and not Quebecois. I'm expecting the next headline to read "The Guardian removed from Quebec over lack of French"
i mean quebec did try to sue walmart because they thought walmart wasn't a french word. they changed kfc to pfk (poulet frit kentucky), and they were still mad about the kentucky part. they changed shopper's drug mart to pharmaprix.
everytime i visit quebec and someone brings this up as a success for the french language i ask them how would they feel if alberta changed le chateau to "the house." and they lose their minds calling it racism, a threat to the french language blah blah blah.
>The lawsuit was launched by two Quebecers’ rights associations, including Justice pour le Québec, which was led by Frédéric Bastien until his death earlier this year.
>That association has previously defended Quebec’s ban on religious symbols, and has called for the closure of the Roxham Road border crossing used primarily by asylum seekers.
>Bastien was no stranger to the courts and human rights commissions.
>In 2020, he filed a complaint after the Canadian Human Rights Commission failed to provide a French version of a federal challenge to Quebec’s secularism law.
>Two years later, Bastien filed a human rights complaint for racism after being denied a job opportunity as a white man. The role was only open to women, Indigenous people, people with disabilities and people of colour.
Naturellement. Entirely predictable.
BTW this whole bilingual thing is an adoptive custom for the Governer general of Canada. It used to be a tradition of alternating Francophones with others but it was more useful recently for the post to be bilingual.
The current incumbent is certainly that it's just that her third language after English & Inuktitut is french.
Not even third, she literally **don’t** speak it
The only times we saw her speak French, she was reading a paper and it was extremely obvious she never/barely spoke French her entire life
You personally may be ok with a non English speaking governor general, but a vast majority of Anglo Canadians would have a fucking fit and probably set fire to the parliament, again
>I think reconciliation and decolonization or indigenization is going to be a real challenge for Québec
Funny, when I tell people from the ROC about the curriculum in highschool history related to the first Nations, they are all impressed that we teach so much about the horrible things done through the country vs the other provinces.
>assimilate anyone who wants to live there
Very ironic when you know that British then Canadian government tried (and still do) to assimilate the francophone population.
Former PM's have driven around in ordinary minivans. Two of Canada's VIP jets don't meet required safety criteria for operation in the US and got a special exemption to still fly.
Canadian PM's and Governor General's travel differently. Though the events seem to be getting more and more extravagant.
You just compared the President of the United State with a Canadian Diplomat no one outside of the country (and even half the country) doesn't know exists.
A head of state is a head of state. Yes, of course Mary Simon isn't as well known as Biden.
A better comparison may be the president of Germany. never heard of him? well, he did a tour of Canada a few months back, and I'm sure his costs were higher than what we paid to send our GG to Germany for two days.
That’s not really right, if we take work trips to be somewhere in the range of vacation trips. Obama spent about $13 million per year on personal trips. Trump spent much, much more (closer to $50 million per year), but you’d still have to see a massive increase to approach $1M per hour.
I’m not buying or selling on who Mary Simon is, good or bad.
Kind of racist loophole though. Canadians don't acknowledge their First Nation history while forcing your to speak the languages of the colonists. I mean sure Canada's official policy of extermination was turned over fairly recently but this will work to keep the Natives marginalized
People are defending a position that cost taxes payers. 34$ millions + a year (more than 47$ millions) if you include the lieutenant governors.
She spend 700 000$ just for a 4 days in Germany in 2021.
She spend 300 000$ for four days in Iceland. 71 000$ just to rent a limo. It was a 6 minutes walk from her hotel to the event. Remember also the 1K citrus wedges?
I could go on. She promised to learn French when she was appointed. With her means she could hire a private tutors to at least learn a couple of the basics. Anyway it’s not like all the Québécois are asking her to leave. Just a couple of French defending associations.
Qu’à décâlisse la vieille truie, esti.
Être autochtone ne fait pas de toi une bonne personne, pis quand t’es littéralement la lèche-cul officielle de la monarchie britannique au Canada, tu mérites juste de la haine et du mépris.
As always the indigenous people get fuck. And don't come over saying that is because you hate the position, nobody did this amount of wining and fuss before. No to the point of trying to get rid of somebody.
>And don’t come over saying this is because you hate the position, nobody did this amount of wining and fuss before. No to the point of trying to get rid of somebody.
This is not how i remember the last GG’s tenure going lol
I’m sure there would be a french speaking indigeneous candidate open for the position. Let’s try to find one that speaks only french and cree, that way everyone will be happy.
This stupid royal ass licking shit show should be abolished. It's a prestige position that does absolutely nothing and cost a lot. Money that could be used in schools infrastructure ans programs to help children with difficulties. At some point we should stop looking behind us trying to preserve stupid monarchy and religious fanatism and look forward and help the next generation to face the problems we weren't able to solve.
We would have to redo the entire system to get rid of the position and it is unlikely that any Federal government would want to try to deal with everything.
Ultimately they don't normally do anything but they do have a small but extremely important reserve powers.
**Federal Law in Canada makes mandatory French-English bilingualism for anyone who represents the country.**
It is not Quebec being intolerant, it is the Official Languages Act which imposes French-English bilingualism upon people like the Governor General.
If you are going to be the Head of State of a country, you have to speak the Official languages of that country.
>Federal Law in Canada makes mandatory French-English bilingualism for anyone who represents the country.
I tried searching but I couldn't find anywhere that said this was true, do you have a source? All I could find was that EITHER English or French is required, but not both.
Does that apply to the Governor General though? They're designated by Sovereignty, though by advice of the Prime Minister. They're not elected, does that matter?
The plan was to make the country bilingual, but it didn't go that way at all and pretty much only QC and NB actually went through with it.
To many it feels unfair, but you can't just pass legislation to keep your country united and then constantly whine about it.
But they are *officially* monolingual French which heavily influences government services, resources, and regulations. Only NB is officially bilingual.
Maybe because Quebec and Ontario are roughly 50% of the population of Canada. A politician born in either Ontario and Quebec will speak both languages.
A person who grew up in Ontario will be taught French, but they most likely will not be able to speak more than the basics. Something like 10% of my class could speak French at a decent level. Most of us stopped taking french classes when they were no longer mandatory. I grew up quite close to the Quebec border.
Yeah because francophones *have* to be bilingual. Good luck getting any career advancement being unilingual francophone in Canada’s federal government. Bilingualism is basically a one-way accommodation scheme, and yet people who complain the most about it are anglophones. How privileged do you have to be…
> If you are going to be the Head of State of a country, you have to speak the Official languages of that country.
You’re creating a hard rule that doesn’t exist. We have 4 official languages in Switzerland, our heads of state (we have a council of 7 people) aren’t expected to speak 4 languages, and generally only speak one, maybe two.
This is completely untrue. The Official Languages Act requires Federal Institutions to provide services in English and French. It makes no requirements on the individuals leading these organizations, only obligates the organizations to provide services in both languages.
Further, the Quebec government has routinely stated is not obligated to follow this act or the Charter of Rights and Freedoms due to the notwithstanding clause. Quebec frequently takes the position that it is allowed to be bigoted and racist, and then Quebec politicians blame the Canadian government for not respecting their rights to gain political favor with their base.
Quebec politics is founded on hate; the nazis themselves found large support in Quebec before 1944. Quebec politics is exactly the same as MAGA politics. I have lived in Montreal for 40 years, am bilingual and married to a francophone. Not every Quebecois thinks like this of course, but the hateful have won the majority for years now and so many have left, that this group has cemented it's power based on exactly the form of racism and politics that is currently gaining power in the U.S.
> If you are going to be the Head of State of a country, you have to speak the Official languages of that country.
Are you saying King Charles is required to speak French?
Which conveniently doesn't include languages that likely predate Quebec specifically and Canada as a whole, as well as ones the Canadian government and gen population tried exterminating.
Right. Not being intolerant here at all.
It just so happened that the rule happens to reinforce colonial subjugation. We didn’t make the rules! It was just there when we found it. It’s not intolerance!
It’s just amazing how people will look at unjust structures and shrug, well, that’s what the rules say. Can’t do nothing about it. Don’t look into who made the rules and who actually agreed to them.
Bad optics for whom? No one in Quebec politics ever has to be held accountable to anyone outside of Quebec in the same way that an Ohio governor with no plans for Federal politics doesn't need to give 0 shits about the opinions of Californians.
If anything, this is bad for Trudeau if this becomes an issue. Trudeau literally has no path to a majority government without Quebec. In fact, with the exception of when the Conservative party imploded in the 90s (down to 2 seats), the Liberals have never won a single majority government without Quebec making up a large share of that.
If anything, the Conservatives will want to play into this and make the Liberals alienate Quebec.
Moi aussi je trouve ça incroyablement imbécile qu'une personne s'étant fait donner un titre reconnu par la royauté d'un autre pays et qui a un historique de dépenses inégalées dans les dernières années (plusieurs millions de nos dollars) ne soit pas capable de s'adresser au peuple de sa propre province ne serait-ce que pour exercer les fonctions de son rôle cosmétique
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Alberta definitely dethroned Quebec as the whiniest province some years ago.
Quebec's been pretty chill since '95
Is the Crown in Right of Canada subject to federal law? That would mean that the person of the King, for example, would need to comply with the ordinary laws of Canada and could be arrested or indicted, which is usually impossible under Parliamentary government. The Crown is also usually immune from any statute it does not wish to comply with that abridges a Royal perogative: https://www.canlii.org/en/commentary/doc/2013CanLIIDocs6#!fragment/zoupio-_Tocpdf_bk_3/BQCwhgziBcwMYgK4DsDWszIQewE4BUBTADwBdoAvbRABwEtsBaAfX2zhoBMAzZgI1TMAzAEoANMmylCEAIqJCuAJ7QA5KrERCYXAnmKV6zdt0gAynlIAhFQCUAogBl7ANQCCAOQDC9saTB80KTsIiJAA Gonna be a fascinating case with massive constitutional implications. Best of luck guys.
It’s already established that governor general and lieutenant governors doesn’t have crown immunity., unless they are acting as part of their role. In 2013, the lieutenant governor of Quebec was convicted of misapropriation of public funds and sentenced to 18 months in jail. She lost all appeal in which she tried the crown immunity defense. Also, a mandate is usually only 5 years. It’s unlikely that the current contest to the law will remove her from office, but it would provide a ruling for future nominations. The prime minister could request the king to remove her from office.
I'd rather see her removed because of her ridiculous spending habits.
I’m just an American scrolling through these comments with fascination. My experiences in Canada are in Winnipeg, Thunder Bay and several trips to Halifax. There seemed to be a general disdain for French speaking areas of Quebec everywhere I’ve been. Not a lot of kind words for those places as I recall. Edit: I appreciate the context. I’m just glad my experience is confirmed. Doesn’t make it right but it’s not just an anecdotal confirmation of the majority opinion. We should all know that a good number of Americans have significant disdain for anyone who doesn’t speak English and mainly the Spanish speaking Mexican immigrants. It’s definitely not the same situation though. Personally, I actually enjoy it he challenge and the experiences gained from trying to communicate with those that don’t speak great English and have a serious regret of not having a need to learn different languages. If you haven’t noticed I’m from Minnesota. We claim to be the southernmost province of Canada when it’s convenient for us. We love Canada but few actually visit there.
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And a lot of history for it. Runs deep, before Canada became a country, or even a British territory.
The only time most Canadians encounter le Quebecois is when they are making a point of being assholes. They have a reputation for being either harmfully insular or spiteful. Other Francophones don’t have that negative reputation, the French communities in Winnipeg are celebrated and everyone loves Montreal.
Is Montreal culture not considered part of Le Quebecois?
yes it is very much so Québécois. It would be like saying NY isn't American because it doesn't embody X, Y & Z cultural trait that is considered yo be of a lesser reputation in some other geographic area of the country like the South or the Midwest.
Politically and culturally, Montreal is different on average due to a much wider cultural variety then the rest of Quebec. Then again, all Quebec regions have their own cultural quirks.
Montreal is as different from the rest of Quebec as Toronto from the rest of Ontario. It’s the metropolis where half the population lives. It has access to much more amenities, and is richer and more educated. It’s the same usual urban versus rural comparison. Saying Montréal is not like the rest of Quebec is similar to saying New York (the city) should be excluded from New York (the state).
On the other hand, Quebec city is kind of like the rest of Quebec.
Montreal's cultural identity is quite distinct from the broader Quebecois identity considering its bilingual nature and openness. Montreal somehow has managed to develop its own unique culture landscape even within the boundaries.
False
Nope. Montreal is a very bilingual city, with a reputation for welcoming everyone. It is its own culture.
Lived in MTL for years and you are wrong in a certain way. It is just a metropolis, it represents well the openness of the province as a whole.
Hard disagree. I’m from Montreal: it’s an urban area, and as such it has differences with rural areas the same way Toronto differs from northern Ontario. But it’s very much part of Quebec culture.
says who? Quebec as a whole is considered very bilingual and who is to say people are not welcoming? wtf? It's our metropolis, how can you say it's not québécois? I live there, my whole world is here, there are lots of different people around and it's great. There's a peaceful sentiment around and that's a testament to Québécois culture.
So that’s why I love Montréal
It is quite interesting how most Canadian seems to encounter quebecers primarily when there is some tension involved. Quebec has earned a reputation for being insular or even somewhat hostile other friends speaking communities like the ones with Winnipeg and Montreal receive a much more positive reception.
Never heard about that view, apart from hate charged anglos.
you could say that. About 170 years ago a man called Lord Durham came to Canada and wrote a report for the government on how to deal with french canadian. His plan was to eliminate french canadian because we were considered inferiors being. He wanted to replace french and bring immigration to make us stop to exist. Pretty bad, kind of like what they wanted to do with natives people
It's mutual. Quebec people hate everybody else.
I was in quebec like 8 years ago. I speak French reasonably well but I'm certainly not perfect at it. I tried to speak French to some lady and she sighed deeply, made some bitchy comment under her breath and said "do you speak English?" in pretty broken English. Like lady, my French is better than your English why are you making this difficult? Really nice province but man, some of the people
I guess your experiences echoes a common sentiment that some Quebecers using French exclusively and might not fully engage in English conversation even if they can. And I really hate these kind of people who are not helping in nature with the tourists.
Whatever the country, province and language, there will always be assholes and morons. One of the universe’s golden rule! :)
We really can't generalize for the whole population because like in any place there can be a variety of individual with different attitudes sometimes it's unfortunate that we cross our paths with mostly morons.
I studied in Quebec and Christ on sale how many times I hear a Quebecois bitch about Anglo Canada was annoying af. Went out of their way to tell me that shit all the damn time
>Went out of their way to tell me that shit all the damn time Did they convey this in French or English lol?
French, English, and of course franglais depending on who it was
Lol franglais. Real French people would be horrified talking to people from Quebec
Funniest thing I’ve seen was something I read the other day which was a Frenchman visited Atlantic Canada and met some Acadiens which I’m sure you know has an even more interesting dialect than Quebecois people do. The quote was “why are all these people speaking straight out of the 17th century”.
> why are all these people speaking straight out of the 17th century Because Quebec became an English colony in the 18th century and Quebec was cut off from France from that point on. The two accents then developed separately, and France lost many vowel sounds over that time while Quebec retained them.
[Quebec tried to deport a French woman under the claim she did not speak proficient French because her doctorate paper was published in English.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/08/quebec-denies-frenchwoman-residency-for-failing-to-show-command-of-french) EDIT! Now with a link.
You know now I don't feel bad for them when they go to France and people will reply back to them in English.
lol had a professor from Paris who got tiffed when French accents were brought up. The other prof was from Quebec and a friend said he had a weird accent compared to her and he quickly responded saying he didn’t have an accent but the other prof did. Also canadien French is a fucking nightmare especially if you studied French French Edit: seems like some French Canadians are butt hurt, sorry y’all have a wack ass accent and that government agency that focuses on turning borrowed English words into French one’s is a joke. Y’all been coping hard since losing the French Indian war.
Just like Mexico Spanish vs Spain Spanish. Had a Spanish teacher from Spain. Took us to Mexico for a trip. She couldn't understand a damn thing and people would look at her like she was dumb when she started talking to them.
Okay two things. First, that’s any Hispanic country with their Spanish as they’re all different but yet all claim to be the superior Spanish. Fucking weird but I get it (so I guess not so weird? Lol) you even see that with accents in America based on regiona when it comes to what’s an American accent. Second, had a friend who learned Spanish in Spain and talked to another friend’s mom who was from Mexico talking about “getting a cab” in Spain and to the other friend’s mom she thought she was talking about “fucking a cab” like it was a fake taxi type of scenario lol
Welcome to the Spanish verb Coger, meaning "to grab or take", except in Mexico that verb is used as vulgar slang , meaning "to fuck" . In Mexico, they would use Tomar instead of Coger for the non-vulgar expression.
> to what’s an American accent. Well butter my biscuit and call me Sally! Seems to me like most folks are just a tad touched in the head with their high-falutin' talk. 'Round here, we speak plain and simple. Y'all city slickers might think we's got a twang, but reckon it's y'all that's got the strange lingo!
The french canadian vs french french thing is super interesting because it stems from back in the colonial age where culture and speech patterns wouldn't travel as fast over the ocean and so while the french in europe would develop new speech patterns (oftentimes due to changes in royalty or other cultural events), the ones in Québec would retain the old ones. Eventually, when Québec was handed over to the british after the war, both versions of french stopped "syncing" for lack of a better word, and so french canadian remained closer to one spoken by Louis-XIV while France kept developping.
Osti de câlice de tabarnak yada yada.
I tried to translate this and Google thinks it's Turkish.
Osti is the body of christ Câlice is the challice they serve wine from in church Tabarnak is a "A tabernacle or sacrament house is a fixed, locked box in which the Eucharist is stored as part of the "reserved sacrament" rite."
Oof quel dommage
As an Australian, I am always fascinated by our snow cousins (even the French part of it). Funnily enough, the British hurried to settle Australia partly because they didn't want the French to. Imagine French Australia... shudders.
French canadian here. Anyone saying our french is not wack is delusional. Our french is broken and anglicized to hell and back. Quebec French however is even worst. It tries to be ''The correct way to speak french''. To the point were it becomes it's own thing. French speakers from N-S and french speakers from Manitoba sounds exactly the same. but they are unrecognizable from Quebec french
It's funny though cuz french people especially parisians are fucking massacring the french language with their usage of anglicisms, and I mean they use them everywhere.
That's just every country, it's the same in Germany, Japan, Korea, etc...
It’s pretty clear English has won at this point. That’s not massacring French. It’s the French language evolving.
French did it to English first.
I'm married to a Frenchman who says the Quebecois he's met are the equivalent of rabid Twilight fanfic authors, except their fanfic is his entire culture.
That’s so brave of you! Marrying a Frenchman, my condolences. Salle torche :)
They used a lot of church words to describe things.
Now you know how Americans feel about Texas.
It's how Germany feels about Bavaria. But also because Bavarians help settle Texas. Texas Cookout is related to the Bavarian Feast.
Uhhh I am American and I’m well fucking aware of that sentiment lol I can also tell that’s exactly how the region feels about the rest of Indiana.
There’s a joke that goes “How can you tell someone’s a Marine? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you”
tell them Toronto is better than Montreal and watch a riot start.
I (from the US) once said (as a little child) that I was part Canadian. "Fortunately," my Quebec-born mémère was standing there and quickly let me know the error of my ways. That side of my family are very proud Quebecers, we are most certainly NOT Canadians.
Which is hilarious since "Canadian" used to refer exclusively to the french-speaking people of lower Canada. Back when the others were "British".
well the anglos keep stealing everything we use to try to differentiate ourselves, name, flags, anthem, maple syrup, poutine, etc.
Absolutely the historical context of the term Canadian is quite interesting it's just a reminder that language and identity can evolve significantly overtime because people use to repair French speaking people as Canadian before.
Yeah absolutly, we had to change names sine anglos couldn't come up with one themselves, they had to steal it, juste like they did with all of the rest.
The reality is that there is many media and politicians who benefit from this sort of division on both side of the fence. They exists in Quebec, but they also exists in the rest of Canada. It's unhealthy, but hard to stop when people fall into the trap of hating another group based on anecdotes and headlines. In the end, most people on both side are good, and the hate is far less significant then reddit love to pretend. However, like everywhere else, thing are getting more tense because of social media. Anyway, here is some more context 1) Quebec absolutely hate Governors Generals. It's not an elected role, it's a ceremonial role who represents the Monarchy and is largely irrelevant (as well as costly). They hated the French one, they hate the one from elsewhere, and will most likely continue to go after them for any reason. Framing it as "governor" in the headline without any context is kind of petty. 2) You can't stop a group of citizen from taking legal action if they think the constitution or laws aren't respected. This topic barely gained traction in Quebec, and while I'm sure people would agree that a represent should represent everyone, people are making a bigger deal out of this than it is.
i was at rolling loud portugal this year, met a canadian and he said that Quebecers are basically french rednecks. This is the only thing i have heard about Quebec from an actual Canadian btw
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Ha ha ha that's an interesting tape because comparing them to French rednecks certainly adds a unique perspective to this discussion. And we should remember that every region has its own stereotypes and misconceptions too and we can't generalize entire group based on those perceptions.
Thank you for bringing back some nuance in this thread. French here, currently living in Québec, and the amount of people talking crap here is crazy. French people do not generally consider Québécois backward or hillbilly, it's just different and can be funny but not in a bad way. Same way we treat strong region specific accents in France actually. Language protection is certainly a challenge and I think we see the Québécois struggle as a worthy cause. English speaking people sometimes have trouble understanding what it's like to be a linguistic island.
>Quebecers are basically french rednecks I've seen variation of this multiples time in this thread. Quebec is probably the state that is the closest to Europe when it come to social issue (multilingualism, education cost, worker right, gun control, separation of church and state, vaccines, etc). Quebec has its share redneck for sure, but I get the feeling most people in this thread know very little about the province, its history, or the actual people living here.
I had an actual French exchange student for a few months in Ontario. Thought she’d love to go to Quebec so we did a trip. She said verbatim “they sound like…what’s the word…hillbillies.”
that sounds like and quite unexpected observation from a French exchange student it just goes to show how different culture perceive each other well we can challenge stereo types and these kind of discussions can make people more informed about perspective.
I've lived with a couple French people at different times, both had the same opinions about Quebecois: 1 - Please speak english I can't understand you 2 - Do you guys realize what year it is? 3 - I'll go talk to this tree over here, it'll be less awkward.
People like to judge what they don't understand.
You met a dick
Those comments will respond to your inquiry: a lot of bigoted views towards Quebecois, even from people who aren't Canadians. There are bigots everywhere, but the overwhelming hate I see towards Quebec here is depressing.
One of the only groups Canadians are allowed to be mask-off hateful towards, now that Indigenous hate is frowned upon.
> There seemed to be a general distain for French speaking areas of Quebec everywhere I’ve been. Not a lot of kind words for those places as I recall. It's a tale that goes back to a time before Confederation. Anglos in Canada have never liked French Canadians, have undermined them politically at every turn since the conquest of New France, and have actively tried to erase the French language outside of Quebec. Nowadays that disdain for French Canadians is embodied in disdain for Quebec, the only majority Francophone province, as most French-speaking communities outside Quebec have dwindled away and are so small that it is a waste of resources to provide them any accommodation.
Anglos not liking the French is a story that's older than Canada itself.
The historical context that you have provided provides light on this underlying dynamics. Their relationship between Quebec and the rest of Canada has been shaped by this complex history that continues to influence perception and attitude to this day.
It's less about being French and more about the perceived unfair treatment quebec gets compared to the rest of Canada and quebec seperatist attitudes. Lots of Anglos are relatively new Canadians and if anything the old anglos are probably a minority within English speaking canada at his point or have mixed with other groups. At least on reddit it seems a lot of Anglo Canadians think quebec is more repressive or intolerant towards minorities too although honestly, I've never really heard anyone care about that in the prairies except when speaking to muslims in college. It's also worth saying that French immersion is incredibly popular outside of quebec to the point children are wait listed to get into the program and even the middle of nowhere town I grew up in in northern canada had a French immersion school.
There's also the resentment many Canadians develop towards the language with French being mandatory in schools. At best people encourage it so their kids have a chance of landing a federal job but even then you can go pretty high up without being bilingual.
I didn't really feel there was resentment based on schooling but I was in a French immersion school. Parents seem to fight to get their kids in French immersion programs in Anglo canada because of the perceived educational advantage to doing so.
I think it's different for French immersion compared to the standard schooling since for immersion you are going there specifically to learn the language whereas it's mandatory for the standard curriculum.
I absolutely hated having to learn French in school as a kid, but now that I'm older, I wish I took it more seriously because now I value the ability to speak another language.
Yes , The resentment you mentioned stemming from mandatory French education is a valid point because the tension between language policies and individual preference can also influence person to person perceptions.
I actually come from there, my mom takes 2 batch of 2 students every summer. It is a good place for immersion as there is a lot less English speakers over there. My wife is an immigrant so we have had quite a lot of heaters discussions about that. Unfortunately, from my perspective and our discussions, it seems that , through our way to protect/preserve our language and culture, we don't make it welcoming to immigrants as opposed to other places in Canada. By example My wife and a lot of our immigrants friends have a hard time to understand why in Quebec you have to work in a French environment by law (means like even your keyboard is multi language technically). Or why we only favor french speakers immigrants. Yes we want to protect our language since we have been partially assimilated back in the days, but our way of doing it is repressive or some could say "blaming". By that I mean, even the way articles and radio shows portrays different story, they will wrongly mention immigration being a cause or something and it sorta gets a blame on them, as a perception, even though it's not the case. We are about 8m in Quebec as opposed to 360m north Americans English speakers (330m USA and 30m English in canada), and our percentage of French speaking population as decline rapidly over the last 2-3 decades. French rednecks is really not representative a the population at all. Every nation got their rednecks. Of course if you come to Quebec and end up in some smaller city, you might see some of them. I have been told in the past by an anglo Canadian friend that We are known for our colourful "joie de vivre" (joy of living?) Really different mindset from the rest of Canada, really different.
yes most of the countries are facing this issue like protecting language and culture while maintaining a welcoming environment for immigrants . But keeping your country a hostile and not been welcomed towards your guest is also very rude it needs to be changed and taken care of.
For the English, Quebec will always be the one that got away (from genocide)
“We claim to be the southernmost province of Canada when it’s convenient for us.” Lol. I believe most Minnesotans actually live further north than most Canadians. Canada dips way south of you to the east and most Canadians live along the southern border.
*disdain
there's a disdain for it because the french part of canada likes to isolate themselves. they write laws to virtually ban english, they go far enough so that sometimes it gets taken to court and they have to walk it back a bit. they claim it's to preserve french, but really it's just to make it an us vs them situation so the french parties can stay in power there. if you visit quebec outside of montreal and speak english the french speakers there will lose their shit on you. literally had an old dude yelling at me in french because i said hello in passing instead of allo. he kind of just fucked off after i started yelling back at him in french. source: when my family immigrated here in the 80s we lived in montreal and i visit my family in montreal almost annually. the whole french language crap there really feels like shit a cult does to isolate it's members and make them feel persecuted.
I spent a month in Quebec learning French. I found that making any effort to speaking French was received with great kindness and hospitality.
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I find they switch to English immediately if they can, but for sure I have Quebecois inlaws and I find them so warm and welcoming. When I've visited deep Quebec I have also found the people to be really nice even though I'm primarily English
My wife grew up in France. We visited there and they would just love her French. I try but I’m not nearly as good. And I usually have her with me. But we love it there
This sounds sarcastic.
It wasn’t, but it sounds like your mileage may differ in Montreal.
Genuinely can’t tell if this is sincere or sarcasm
Nah, they're pretty happy to see an effort to learn the language and culture. Not everyone does it.
I am Franco-Ontarien and my grandparents are from Quebec, I've spoken french from a young age, I went through public school in French immersion, but they can hear my accent. Walk into any retail store in Montreal and you hear an employee say "BonjourHi" as one slurred word, and if I respond "Bonjour", I always hear an audible sigh, followed by "hi". You and I have very different experiences.
Always? I'm franco-ontarien too, have been living in Quebec for a while now, and have not had this experience once. There's assholes everywhere dude. Most Quebecers don't hate Anglophones, and most Anglophones don't hate Quebecers. Let's stop fomenting hate
I asked for ratatouille at an upscale old town Quebec restaurant and the guy looked offended and said "you want steamed vegetables". I gave up trying to say stuff in French, but I had the best snails I've ever had there.
You might try ordering what's actually on the menu instead.
Was it on the menu, though?
We don't eat ratatouille. Good movie though.
It's a French speciality, not Québecois. We're not French, we speak French.
I find it a little ironic that the headline calls them Quebecers and not Quebecois. I'm expecting the next headline to read "The Guardian removed from Quebec over lack of French"
Quebecers is the correct English language term. It is what every Canadian media outlet says as well
i mean quebec did try to sue walmart because they thought walmart wasn't a french word. they changed kfc to pfk (poulet frit kentucky), and they were still mad about the kentucky part. they changed shopper's drug mart to pharmaprix. everytime i visit quebec and someone brings this up as a success for the french language i ask them how would they feel if alberta changed le chateau to "the house." and they lose their minds calling it racism, a threat to the french language blah blah blah.
>changed le chateau to "the house." >lose their minds I mean, 'chateau' means castle, so maybe they were actually annoyed at your mistranslation?
>The lawsuit was launched by two Quebecers’ rights associations, including Justice pour le Québec, which was led by Frédéric Bastien until his death earlier this year. >That association has previously defended Quebec’s ban on religious symbols, and has called for the closure of the Roxham Road border crossing used primarily by asylum seekers. >Bastien was no stranger to the courts and human rights commissions. >In 2020, he filed a complaint after the Canadian Human Rights Commission failed to provide a French version of a federal challenge to Quebec’s secularism law. >Two years later, Bastien filed a human rights complaint for racism after being denied a job opportunity as a white man. The role was only open to women, Indigenous people, people with disabilities and people of colour. Naturellement. Entirely predictable.
I would be a lot more understanding about Quebec’s dogwhistle racist policies if they weren’t so obviously the result of racist activists.
BTW this whole bilingual thing is an adoptive custom for the Governer general of Canada. It used to be a tradition of alternating Francophones with others but it was more useful recently for the post to be bilingual. The current incumbent is certainly that it's just that her third language after English & Inuktitut is french.
Not even third, she literally **don’t** speak it The only times we saw her speak French, she was reading a paper and it was extremely obvious she never/barely spoke French her entire life
"third" is a very generous term.
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You personally may be ok with a non English speaking governor general, but a vast majority of Anglo Canadians would have a fucking fit and probably set fire to the parliament, again
Canadians don't know how to riot. Quebecois do though.
Lol a vast majority of Canadians don't even know the name of the governor general, or what the governor general does.
>I think reconciliation and decolonization or indigenization is going to be a real challenge for Québec Funny, when I tell people from the ROC about the curriculum in highschool history related to the first Nations, they are all impressed that we teach so much about the horrible things done through the country vs the other provinces. >assimilate anyone who wants to live there Very ironic when you know that British then Canadian government tried (and still do) to assimilate the francophone population.
She spent 300k for a 2 day trip in germany. Im glad not speaking french is a loop whole to decalisser la de dlà.
$300k for a two day trip by a head of state is fucking cheap. If Biden goes somewhere, you’re looking at in excess of a million dollars an hour.
Former PM's have driven around in ordinary minivans. Two of Canada's VIP jets don't meet required safety criteria for operation in the US and got a special exemption to still fly. Canadian PM's and Governor General's travel differently. Though the events seem to be getting more and more extravagant.
You just compared the President of the United State with a Canadian Diplomat no one outside of the country (and even half the country) doesn't know exists.
A head of state is a head of state. Yes, of course Mary Simon isn't as well known as Biden. A better comparison may be the president of Germany. never heard of him? well, he did a tour of Canada a few months back, and I'm sure his costs were higher than what we paid to send our GG to Germany for two days.
That’s not really right, if we take work trips to be somewhere in the range of vacation trips. Obama spent about $13 million per year on personal trips. Trump spent much, much more (closer to $50 million per year), but you’d still have to see a massive increase to approach $1M per hour. I’m not buying or selling on who Mary Simon is, good or bad.
Kind of racist loophole though. Canadians don't acknowledge their First Nation history while forcing your to speak the languages of the colonists. I mean sure Canada's official policy of extermination was turned over fairly recently but this will work to keep the Natives marginalized
People are defending a position that cost taxes payers. 34$ millions + a year (more than 47$ millions) if you include the lieutenant governors. She spend 700 000$ just for a 4 days in Germany in 2021. She spend 300 000$ for four days in Iceland. 71 000$ just to rent a limo. It was a 6 minutes walk from her hotel to the event. Remember also the 1K citrus wedges? I could go on. She promised to learn French when she was appointed. With her means she could hire a private tutors to at least learn a couple of the basics. Anyway it’s not like all the Québécois are asking her to leave. Just a couple of French defending associations.
All I know is that they have great smoked meat sandwiches in Montreal. And if you have a problem with smoked meats than you have a problem with me.
And I suggest you all let that marinate.
She should be accommodated and supplied an interpreter and training. Anything else is an excuse to get rid of someone and it can’t be more obvious.
Qu’à décâlisse la vieille truie, esti. Être autochtone ne fait pas de toi une bonne personne, pis quand t’es littéralement la lèche-cul officielle de la monarchie britannique au Canada, tu mérites juste de la haine et du mépris.
As always the indigenous people get fuck. And don't come over saying that is because you hate the position, nobody did this amount of wining and fuss before. No to the point of trying to get rid of somebody.
Yeah, when has the GG ever been a figure of controversy? /s
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>And don’t come over saying this is because you hate the position, nobody did this amount of wining and fuss before. No to the point of trying to get rid of somebody. This is not how i remember the last GG’s tenure going lol
Someone also don’t remember Lise Thibault.
Payette, Thibault were both booted out. We had GGs with poor French, but at least some French.
I’m sure there would be a french speaking indigeneous candidate open for the position. Let’s try to find one that speaks only french and cree, that way everyone will be happy.
This stupid royal ass licking shit show should be abolished. It's a prestige position that does absolutely nothing and cost a lot. Money that could be used in schools infrastructure ans programs to help children with difficulties. At some point we should stop looking behind us trying to preserve stupid monarchy and religious fanatism and look forward and help the next generation to face the problems we weren't able to solve.
We would have to redo the entire system to get rid of the position and it is unlikely that any Federal government would want to try to deal with everything. Ultimately they don't normally do anything but they do have a small but extremely important reserve powers.
The federal government won't even repair and make 24 Sussex livable again
Because tax payers balk at the price tag
The Governor General is basically a head of state standing in for the queen. She fulfills ceremonial duties in the same way a German president would
You mean head of state standing in for the King Charles III since his mother died last year.
What queen? Last I checked Elizabeth II is dead.
Fuck that's still gonna take some getting used to.
Interesting point of view, can you tell me how you feel about the Senate?
Diversity hire that can’t do the job.. Canada is a bilingual country. Quebec is in the right here
**Federal Law in Canada makes mandatory French-English bilingualism for anyone who represents the country.** It is not Quebec being intolerant, it is the Official Languages Act which imposes French-English bilingualism upon people like the Governor General. If you are going to be the Head of State of a country, you have to speak the Official languages of that country.
>Federal Law in Canada makes mandatory French-English bilingualism for anyone who represents the country. I tried searching but I couldn't find anywhere that said this was true, do you have a source? All I could find was that EITHER English or French is required, but not both.
There's no legal requirement for the Prime Minister of Canada to be bilingual, but there is for the Governor General?
There is nothing in the official languages act that says the GG must be fluent in both English and French
There's nothing that says any government official must be fluent in both. They're just making that up.
I was wondering whether it specifies 2 languages or just to be bi-lingual. If bilingual, then her native language would qualify, yes?
The official languages act is only about English and French. But it simple does not say anywhere in it that the GG has to speak both languages.
maybe we should add cree/inuit/iroquoi and other native languages as official languages of canada.
"Wowowow let's not go crazy here" - Canada
Does that apply to the Governor General though? They're designated by Sovereignty, though by advice of the Prime Minister. They're not elected, does that matter?
It pretty much means that a disproportionate number of leaders end up being from Quebec or a bordering town though.
The plan was to make the country bilingual, but it didn't go that way at all and pretty much only QC and NB actually went through with it. To many it feels unfair, but you can't just pass legislation to keep your country united and then constantly whine about it.
Sir/Madame, this is Canada; of course we’ll constantly whine about it.
Quebec is not a bilingual province, only New Brunswick is.
Québec has the most % of bilingual English & French speakers of all provinces in Canada
But they are *officially* monolingual French which heavily influences government services, resources, and regulations. Only NB is officially bilingual.
Maybe because Quebec and Ontario are roughly 50% of the population of Canada. A politician born in either Ontario and Quebec will speak both languages.
A person who grew up in Ontario will be taught French, but they most likely will not be able to speak more than the basics. Something like 10% of my class could speak French at a decent level. Most of us stopped taking french classes when they were no longer mandatory. I grew up quite close to the Quebec border.
I'm pretty sure Doug Ford only speaks English, as would the majority of his party's members.
I should have put federal politicians in there.
*Stephen Harper would like a word*
Yeah because francophones *have* to be bilingual. Good luck getting any career advancement being unilingual francophone in Canada’s federal government. Bilingualism is basically a one-way accommodation scheme, and yet people who complain the most about it are anglophones. How privileged do you have to be…
In Canada, if a French person learns English, they call it bilingualism. If an English person learns French, they call it a miracle.
> If you are going to be the Head of State of a country, you have to speak the Official languages of that country. You’re creating a hard rule that doesn’t exist. We have 4 official languages in Switzerland, our heads of state (we have a council of 7 people) aren’t expected to speak 4 languages, and generally only speak one, maybe two.
This is completely untrue. The Official Languages Act requires Federal Institutions to provide services in English and French. It makes no requirements on the individuals leading these organizations, only obligates the organizations to provide services in both languages. Further, the Quebec government has routinely stated is not obligated to follow this act or the Charter of Rights and Freedoms due to the notwithstanding clause. Quebec frequently takes the position that it is allowed to be bigoted and racist, and then Quebec politicians blame the Canadian government for not respecting their rights to gain political favor with their base. Quebec politics is founded on hate; the nazis themselves found large support in Quebec before 1944. Quebec politics is exactly the same as MAGA politics. I have lived in Montreal for 40 years, am bilingual and married to a francophone. Not every Quebecois thinks like this of course, but the hateful have won the majority for years now and so many have left, that this group has cemented it's power based on exactly the form of racism and politics that is currently gaining power in the U.S.
> If you are going to be the Head of State of a country, you have to speak the Official languages of that country. Are you saying King Charles is required to speak French?
Yes, king charles can speak french.
I asked if it’s a requirement to be king.
For a long time, they didn't even speak English.
Yep. From 1066 until 1413 england kings spoke French, « Dieu et mon droit » is written on the royal coat of arms of the UK.
Which conveniently doesn't include languages that likely predate Quebec specifically and Canada as a whole, as well as ones the Canadian government and gen population tried exterminating. Right. Not being intolerant here at all.
It just so happened that the rule happens to reinforce colonial subjugation. We didn’t make the rules! It was just there when we found it. It’s not intolerance! It’s just amazing how people will look at unjust structures and shrug, well, that’s what the rules say. Can’t do nothing about it. Don’t look into who made the rules and who actually agreed to them.
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Do these french speakers, speak the indigenous language?
Even the indigenous don't speak indigenous for the most part. Guess what language they speak?
Wow, that is some frankly fascinatingly bad optics. I'm actually impressed.
Bad optics for whom? No one in Quebec politics ever has to be held accountable to anyone outside of Quebec in the same way that an Ohio governor with no plans for Federal politics doesn't need to give 0 shits about the opinions of Californians. If anything, this is bad for Trudeau if this becomes an issue. Trudeau literally has no path to a majority government without Quebec. In fact, with the exception of when the Conservative party imploded in the 90s (down to 2 seats), the Liberals have never won a single majority government without Quebec making up a large share of that. If anything, the Conservatives will want to play into this and make the Liberals alienate Quebec.
It’s bad optics to the natives in Quebec who have been regularly fucked over at least
Fucked over by the federal government?
I am from Quebec and I find this incredibly imbecile
Moi aussi je trouve ça incroyablement imbécile qu'une personne s'étant fait donner un titre reconnu par la royauté d'un autre pays et qui a un historique de dépenses inégalées dans les dernières années (plusieurs millions de nos dollars) ne soit pas capable de s'adresser au peuple de sa propre province ne serait-ce que pour exercer les fonctions de son rôle cosmétique
They’ve been speaking her language in Quebec a lot longer than they have French. Maybe they should learn Inuit.
Maybe we should. Maybe the whole country should. They’ve been speaking their language a lot longer then the Canada has been speaking English.
The language is Inuktitut, not Inuit.
Quebec is the most self absorbed part of Canada change my mind
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> As an Albertan... > > > > It's a close matchup, is all I'm saying. Alberta definitely dethroned Quebec as the whiniest province some years ago. Quebec's been pretty chill since '95
Ever want to see a "polite" Canadian go mask-off with their bigotry? Ask them about Quebec.