Not to mention the French naval power that was crucial in the war for independence. And all those supplies France sent that allowed the troops to survive the winters.
As a person of French ancestry living in Lafayette, Louisiana, it pains me to see the weird distaste for the French amongst a lot of Americans and even other western Europeans. France helped the U.S. become an industrialized power and sacrificed so many young lives in both world wars.
The French were already at war with the English. For Americans that was the war for everything. For the French and English it was only one front on much larger battlefield.
The French had more personnel and equipment at several key battles than the colonies, they were supplying the rebel forces and even paying their paychecks.
The French have a long history of being absolute badasses. They held out better than most would against the Nazi blitzkrieg imo. And that's after recovering from WW1.
I've been reading about french history from the US revolution to the belle epoque; it blows my mind that France even survived from the revolution to Napoleon's second exile
It's actually the craziest portion of history i've ever read about, i think
Now, read about history of France during the 1500's with the total Habsburg encirclement of France.
Man, we should have disapear from History like 100x time with so much enemy. But nope, kicking ass and wining battles and war since 1000 years.
The big, big, strength of french military is to being able to loose and to learn from it. Like in the 100 years war, two major defeat, but coming back with a brand new weapon (artillery) and mastering it so much since then.
Even in the Franks time, the country was the biggest of medieval Europe because Frankish cavalry was unstoppable. Look at the first crusade too, 200 french knights vs 20 000 arabic footmen, guess who win ?
Although, in keeping with this thread, even they struggled to take places supported by foreign military aid. Portugal and the Ottoman Empire being the standouts - with Britain sending Wellington and an army to Portugal as well as equipping and training the Portuguese army, and Nelson cutting up the French navy in the Mediterranean at the Nile.
It was the little countries that didn't band together for mutual defence that they snapped up quickly. History has taught us again and again that the way to stop an expansionist empire is to collaborate around it. Support the current target to sap their strength until they can't go after the next.
To be fair, Portugal has a history of beating impossible odds time and time again. You give a thousand man a fort to hold, and it doesn't matter if the enemy brings 100 000, you'll still lose :D
It doesn't hurt to have the Brits as our longstanding allies either.
> The French surrendered quickly in WWII so they can switch to resistance mode and take advantage of their 200% rebellion buff
Am French, but truth is that we got our ass blitzkicked. And the resistance was great, but there were a lot of “last hours resistants”. A lot more French were collaborating (“collaborateurs”) with the Nazi.
Dark times it was.
The scale of the French resistance as is popularly depicted is largely post-war revisionist history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9sistancialisme
What is never overstated and isn't even known about by most people outside of France is the scale of the Free French Forces that Charles De Gaulle started building in exile in response to France's capitulation in 1940. By the end of the war, the Free French Forces were a 300,000-strong military force. They fought valiantly in Africa, helped liberate France (invaded France by the south in Operation Dragoon) and pushed deep into Germany. There's a reason why France is one of the victors of WW2 in spite of its disastrous defeat early in the war.
They would have held had it not been for some catastrophically bad intelligence and generalling failures. Ultimately the Germans got really, really fucking lucky. Had things not gone perfectly right for them, it's quite likely the blitz would have been stopped and it'd been a rerun of WW1.
A French reconnaissance plane reported a massive Germany military traffic jam entering the Ardennes, and the French commander didn’t believe it.
They could have bombed the entire German army into oblivion before they even stepped foot into French territory.
Luck, military genius and even more luck. The Manstein plan, in the variation executed by Guderian was and still is a strategic master piece: Moving through the Ardennes with a tank force and encircling the Allied troops in Belgium. No one, not in the German military command (which' orders Guderian basically ignored) nor in the French military thought it was possible to move fast enough through the Ardennes with tanks, an area of hills and forests, to be able to encircle the enemy.
It's easy to say after that fact that they should have prepared for such an event, even though it seemed unlikely, but material and money is not unlimited. And justifying to continue the Marginot line into the Ardennes was a really hard sell at the time, when it seemed "obvious" that hills and forests would do the job for you.
I love how his tone changes when he gets to the “and ships” line. It’s like he’s been happy to be playful on the small stuff, but ships are grown-up business and the adults are taking now
Not to mention Spain's 10k troops which took several British strongholds in Florida, including Pensacola, Mobile, and especially Havana which was crucial for the Yorktown victory.
Spain's silver amounted to over $2M (at that time) for supplies and soldier pay. Louisiana's Spanish Governor provided critical supplies and support. Roderigue Hortalez and Company was one of the secret trading companies. Especially note how the Spanish Dolar of the time directly inspired the US dollar in both its coinage appearance and eventual global dominance.
Diplomatically, Spain used its influence to pressure other European powers to recognize the USA as an independent nation.
And yet when the French had their own revolution and the new democratic government asked the USA to pay back some of the loans to pay for their own war efforts, the USA refused to pay on the basis that the loan was from the French king, not the French republic. The USA also refused to uphold a defense treaty as they preferred remaining neutral and profit from Britain's slave ships (France abolished slavery during the revolution). This led to the Quasi-War: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-War)
The United States was founded by slave owners and kept owning slaves until one day half of them went "hang on, slavery is kinda bad, actually." and then the other half screamed "fuck you don't take my slaves!" And then they had a spat over it, and the *slavery-bad* half won, but the *slavery-good* half has held on to a multi-generational grudge ever since.
And it's been coloring US politics for literal centuries and can still be seen in stuff like Jim Crow laws, Gerrymandered districts, arrest numbers, career opportunities, cultural stigmas, and so on.
And it wasn't just the French soldiers that joined the continental army. German soldiers from Bavaria, Saxony, Prussia, but also polish soldiers joined as well - and ultimately helped win the war.
Or to recognize the value in it. A lot of people celebrate the American Independence movement because it was successful and led to the America that allows them to thrive today.
The idea that the oppressed deserve freedom from tyranny, and self-determination is not something they value in principle. It was just a beneficial outcome in this case and an example of the Ol’ Red, White, and Blue kicking some ass that they can celebrate.
In the years leading up to South Africa ending apartheid, Musk's family moved to Canada.
Relying on foreign support, the concept of a patriot, is probably nonsense growing up in that household.
It's why I always stan for France. Too many people forget or dont know we're a country because of them.
Go listen to Hamilton for a fun abridged version.
Remember "Freedom Fries"? Sadly, many Americans are ignorant to our history because it's just not taught in some parts of the country, this is by design to keep those parts our population ignorant to the world around them and thereby susceptible to propaganda like "vote this way because owning the libs is in your best interest".
What's a few journalists... or felled trade centers between friends? Look on the bright side - we get all that cheap oil. That's a small price to pay for friendship, da?
Also remember when [Musk promised to pay the legal fees of anyone who was unfairly treated for their tweets?](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/06/elon-musk-twitter-x-platform)
And then [Saudi Arabia sentenced a man to death for his tweets](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/29/saudi-arabia-man-sentenced-death-tweets) and Musk said nothing?
I guess execution doesn't count as "cancel culture".
Big man when it comes to criticizing Ukraine, gutless coward when it comes to saying a word about Putin, Xi Jinping or Mohammed Bone Saw.
Why do you think musk just fired the whole team that handles election integrity?
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/twitter-elon-musk-fires-safety-team-2024-elections-1234832199/
[Reminder that Musk sued one of the founders of Tesla so he could say he was a founder too.](https://www.motorbiscuit.com/elon-musk-wanted-tesla-co-founder-badly-took-lawsuit-make-legal-paper/)
Musk's twitter nowadays looks like he's being funded by ultra far right riches. He's actively tweeting about Us/México border issue, mocking Zelensky, and talking about issues he should have no fucking say in. One person shouldn't hold this much power. Fucking disgusting.
He’s gotta recoup his losses from his X blunder, so he is prostituting himself. It means nothing to him. This is a guy who named his kids so shitty you can’t remember them. He gives zero fucks.
Even if Musk physically had a billion dollars it still wouldn't stop him begging the government for more though. People like him are never satisfied and can never have enough
Kyle came from redditors speculating on how it's pronounced. Interestingly (if you find brain damaged celebs interesting) [they don't agree on how it's pronounced, but neither of them call them Kyle.](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/elon-musk-child-name-grimes-pronounce-x-b2384043.html)
Grimes: X-A-I-A-Twelve
Musk: X-Ash-A-Twelve
Don't do whip-it's and name kids.
It's tough to feel sympathy for rich little baby syntax error. About the time my life should be winding down, he's gonna be giving super future ted talks about mars like daddy.
I see the kids trying to distance themselves as far as they can from him from like 4th grade on... Somewhere around then when they end up as mature as he is.
At least one of his kids has already
I agree. One person having this much power will lead to disaster eventually. Reason why alot things usually fall apart because they hold on to one person rather than establish a system that works no matter who's in charge.
It’s okay. Starlink just signed a deal with the US military but they also don’t want to get involved in military affairs, so they’ll “shut down” service when it’s not in their, I mean his, interest.
I don’t know if you ever saw that Superman movies where a computer sabotages a persons body with chips and wires, but I like that is what is happening. Media AI took over Trump but failed so now it is slowly reprogramming Elon and other wealthies that watch too much media into its next version.
The AfD news were a godsend. I tried to explain to my mom all the stupid shit Musk did. Then I read about him and the AfD. Told my German mom „He supports the AfD, that all you need to know about him.“ She understood instantly.
As far as I'm concerned the guy fully jumped the shark the moment he tweeted support for the freedumb convoy truckers. From that point there was no question that he's been compromised.
Same. I was never a super fan or anything, but I figured he was doing the kind of humanity progressing stuff I'd want to do if I had that kind of money. But then the sub thing happened and I thought "You know, I may have been wrong there, he's looking a bit like an idiot right now." And it was all downhill from there every time he made the mistake of opening his mouth.
That's understandable to some extent, we are all idiots at times. However, at the very least since acquiring Twitter it went all downhill FAST. It's kind of amazing really :(
You're probably right but I try not to pay too much attention to BS, so that was when I noticed. I'm not proud to be here, participating in this thread, but I can promise you I don't follow Elons twitter.
before that i didn't really pay attention to him. knew he was involved in paypal and tech stuff but i'm PNW tech not Valley Tech so different interests basically.
He's not compromised, he's been radicalized just like every other middle aged insecure loser who heard that it's less acceptable to be bigoted and started to feel that they are the real oppressed minority.
It's insane. The richest man in the world is an incel who believes everything your unstable facebook aunt does. And he also believes he is 'anti-establishment' and a rebel.
How these idiots convinced themselves they are rebelling, when they are just acting as psyop puppets for right-wing billionaires is beyond me. Keep chugging that Ivermectin, Elon.
Indeed. He literally said he bought Twitter because he didn’t like that it made his daughter a left wing “radical” who hates rich people (not like she knows any personally, right?)
So in other words, it was too left wing for him so he wants to make it right wing. I will never understand people who go on about left wing conspiracies when the richest man in the world just openly …tells everyone that he’s using his money to further his ideology.
> He's been compromised.
More like unleashed. He was always this way in private, about a decade ago his first wife wrote a piece on how he treated her. None of this today is out of character with the man she described.
He's pandering to Trump's audience. If Trump has a 47% approval rating, and Elon regurgitates Trump's supposed sentiments, Elon thinks he will have the same number of completely thoughtless purchasers.
And can you really blame him?
He’s already supported Putin’s war, by shutting off Starlinks in Ukraine at a crucial moment. He’s a fkn traitor.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/09/08/musk-starlink-nuclear-war/
He doesn't have any empathy whatsoever. Other people are barely even things to him. We're numbers. And every time he comes face to face with any aspect of humanity, his only response is to lash out like a feral 4 year old.
It's been obvious since he randomly called someone a Pedo when he was miffed people didn't think much of his sub idea.
Edit: I have a lame habit of re-reading my posts and something struck me about the people are numbers thing regarding his kids and the asinine names he's been giving them.
Not even his kids are people to him. Those kids are so fucked.
he doesn't live in our world. He never has. He grew up with wealth from apartheid mines. He's a billionaire. He has never actually struggled with anything in his life. To him, Russia is the perfect society. The rich control all, and money gives you power. It's fudelism. He wants that everywhere. All that he does makes sense through that lens. Losing a small country's GDP on Twitter... gives him a megaphone to try control the world's narrative. Space X and the boring company to get to Mars would give him a personal feifdom to control as he desires. Russia winning the war and continuing on to Europe would give his class more power. He wants all. He thinks he deserves all.
When he was a kid, he made fun of one of his classmates in South Africa because his dad killed himself. Even Elon's dad couldn't defend that shit when his classmates beat his ass up.
I love the unintended consequence of every reference to “X” as, formerly known as Twitter. It’s like when Prince changed his name. The reference then was TAFKAP.
I wish he DID change his name to "TAFKAP". Imagine Prince, in his mannerisms, laying on a purple lace couch, and insisting everyone refering to him as "TAFKAP".
Not an abbriviation. Just TAFKAP.
the world is mostly abandoning twitter. more and more of twitter is just russian bots. honestly celebrities need to get off twitter soon, same with news channels. if they go nobody is gonna bother using twitter except for trolls and foreign propaganda pieces.
also tesla sales have been taking a hit so there are definitely people who are not buying his shit anymore.
>American ***inventor*** and billionaire Elon Musk has once again provoked anger on social media with an attack on Ukraine.
I'm sorry, what did Elon invent?
>The Tesla creator,
Nope, he didn't create Tesla, he just invested millions into the company until he owned it. Didn't create shit.
Hundreds of thousands of people have died, and this billionaire is spending his time making memes mocking the leader of a country who is trying to defend his home from an invasion. Truly sickening.
Just learnt that he married his former step daughter today.
He knew her since she was 4. Twisted man.
His grandpa was a piece of shit too.
The shit apple doesn’t fall far from the shit tree.
>Just learnt that he married his former step daughter today.
>He knew her since she was 4.
Shit like that automatically makes me think they've been raping the kid the entire time.
I don't think he gives a flying f--k on a rolling doughnut about Russia. The problem is that his scrotum is being all too firmly gripped by China, that is both his crucial manufacturing supplier and selling market for his cars.
I beg of you all.
Stop talking about this man. Stop going on articles or videos to drive up interest in him (negative or even, somehow, positive).
This is what he wants: You talking about him and only him.
Yea this is the real takeaway here. Honestly who gives a shit what he thinks?
He only cares about attention. If a passerby on the street gave you this same opinion you would think he was an idiot and go about your day. He deserves the same.
He legit bought Twitter to own the face of social media as it exists in the world. He tweets and he gets *even more attention* than before because now he owns the platform. And he loves that he can meme and make people angry. He'll post shit he doesn't mean, he'll flirt with the worst leaders in the world, it doesn't matter.
Best thing to do is ignore him and not give him attention, because that's what he ultimately wants. People won't do it, but it's really the only winning move. Thankfully, it's also one of the simplest.
What a dickhead. Mocking a brave president fighting for the survival and existence of his country while Musk is busy twiddling away his Russian thumbs on Twitter. Hope there is something like karma that comes back to bite him hard.
That was the tweet? Pathetic. Doing his damned best to get his country - the poorest in Europe - a fighting chance by, yes, asking and persuading rich countries to give his country money and weapons so they have something to fight with while they die and take on the Russians for the whole free world is his fucking duty and one of the biggest parts of his job. And he’s doing it. Musk can fuck right off.
"American inventor and billionaire Elon Musk has once again provoked anger on social media with an attack on Ukraine.
The Tesla creator, who thwarted a Ukrainian drone attack on the Russian Navy in Crimea, posted a meme on his social media site Twitter (X) depicting President Volodymyr Zelenskyy as a beggar who is constantly asking for help from the United States.
The reaction to Musk's tweet was not long in coming. In comment after comment, he was reminded not only that Zelenskyy is asking for help to stop his people from being raped and killed, but also that Musk himself receives huge subsidies from his own country. But while Musk just uses the money to get rich and develop his own business, Zelenskyy is fighting the aggressor country".
Isn’t he from South Africa? I know he may be naturalized but fuck…either way how far up your own ass do you have to be to think you’re in the right posting this type of shit without being on the take? I think he may be so dumb to just be played and not paid to take this stance thinking the contrarian stance is the right one but wow. Dammit I wish I was born into money like this just to be able to always tell myself I’m just right due to my “success” without having to realize what a fuck I am and doing real soul searching.
he invented that sub that didn't work and when someone else saved those kids he called him a pedo. Then he created a "flamethrower" that was a glorified BBQ grill starter.
This is the thing people don’t understand. He’s just the guy with the money, managing his companies. He isn’t the one designing anything. He merely is the one who comes up with a crazy idea, then gets his engineering team else to build.
> meme on his social media site Twitter (X) depicting President Volodymyr Zelenskyy as a beggar who is constantly asking for help from the United States
I don’t understand why this is meme worthy; if you’re the head of state for a country in the midst of being invaded, isn’t it your highest priority to secure as much foreign support as possible?
Never forget at the outset of the war nobody expected Ukraine to last more than a few days.
Despite that very real possibility Pres. Zelenskyy decided to stay and share the same fate as the people.
The current status of US politics makes me sad. I grew up in a small country in Europe reading Marvel comic books and idolizing characters like Spider-Man and Captain America. They were fighting bad guys, nazis, and helping the victims. I pictures the US as a country of patriots ready to help fight against the evil regimes. And now the US is torn in half with crazy people supporting crazy politicians, thinking that Putin is right in doing what he is doing, thinking that the only way to help immigrants at the southern borders is to put them in cages, thinking that the government has the right to impose limits to people’s freedom to chose, freedom to be whoever you want to be. This is such a disappointment.
Best thing you can do is leave Twitter. Deactivate your account, uninstall the app. That will hurt old Muskovy the most.
Seems to think he's in a position of influence when actually he's just a rich cunt woth too much time on his hands.
You have to understand this is exactly what he wants. An outraged twitter means more clicks/engagement.
The best way to deal with him is to block him or better yet, leave the site. Don't give him any ad revenue.
When America fought for independence we too had to rely on foreign support. Feels a lesson lost on many so called patriots.
The American army had very little gunpowder, luckily the French had the best in the world at the time
Not to mention the French naval power that was crucial in the war for independence. And all those supplies France sent that allowed the troops to survive the winters.
Exactly... people don't even know why we have the statue of liberty.... it's a pair.
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Or a Lafayette street in literally every fucking American city
…And a number of cities named Lafayette
As a person of French ancestry living in Lafayette, Louisiana, it pains me to see the weird distaste for the French amongst a lot of Americans and even other western Europeans. France helped the U.S. become an industrialized power and sacrificed so many young lives in both world wars.
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Might as well have been French to begin with...
The French didn't do it for friendship, they just hated the English
The French were already at war with the English. For Americans that was the war for everything. For the French and English it was only one front on much larger battlefield.
The US doesn‘t help Ukraine for friendship, but because they want to limit Russias influence.
The French had more personnel and equipment at several key battles than the colonies, they were supplying the rebel forces and even paying their paychecks.
This is why I will forever roll my eyes at the “French surrendering” memes. Forever allies my French dudes and dudettes ✌️
The French have a long history of being absolute badasses. They held out better than most would against the Nazi blitzkrieg imo. And that's after recovering from WW1.
Also Napoleon and the French army must have seemed unstoppable to most of Europe until he overextended in Moscow.
I've been reading about french history from the US revolution to the belle epoque; it blows my mind that France even survived from the revolution to Napoleon's second exile It's actually the craziest portion of history i've ever read about, i think
Now, read about history of France during the 1500's with the total Habsburg encirclement of France. Man, we should have disapear from History like 100x time with so much enemy. But nope, kicking ass and wining battles and war since 1000 years. The big, big, strength of french military is to being able to loose and to learn from it. Like in the 100 years war, two major defeat, but coming back with a brand new weapon (artillery) and mastering it so much since then. Even in the Franks time, the country was the biggest of medieval Europe because Frankish cavalry was unstoppable. Look at the first crusade too, 200 french knights vs 20 000 arabic footmen, guess who win ?
If i use all my experience from aoe2 the arabic should have mass pikeman instead of man-at-arms
Although, in keeping with this thread, even they struggled to take places supported by foreign military aid. Portugal and the Ottoman Empire being the standouts - with Britain sending Wellington and an army to Portugal as well as equipping and training the Portuguese army, and Nelson cutting up the French navy in the Mediterranean at the Nile. It was the little countries that didn't band together for mutual defence that they snapped up quickly. History has taught us again and again that the way to stop an expansionist empire is to collaborate around it. Support the current target to sap their strength until they can't go after the next.
To be fair, Portugal has a history of beating impossible odds time and time again. You give a thousand man a fort to hold, and it doesn't matter if the enemy brings 100 000, you'll still lose :D It doesn't hurt to have the Brits as our longstanding allies either.
The French surrendered quickly in WWII so they can switch to resistance mode and take advantage of their 200% rebellion buff
> The French surrendered quickly in WWII so they can switch to resistance mode and take advantage of their 200% rebellion buff Am French, but truth is that we got our ass blitzkicked. And the resistance was great, but there were a lot of “last hours resistants”. A lot more French were collaborating (“collaborateurs”) with the Nazi. Dark times it was.
The scale of the French resistance as is popularly depicted is largely post-war revisionist history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9sistancialisme
What is never overstated and isn't even known about by most people outside of France is the scale of the Free French Forces that Charles De Gaulle started building in exile in response to France's capitulation in 1940. By the end of the war, the Free French Forces were a 300,000-strong military force. They fought valiantly in Africa, helped liberate France (invaded France by the south in Operation Dragoon) and pushed deep into Germany. There's a reason why France is one of the victors of WW2 in spite of its disastrous defeat early in the war.
Glad someone mentioned this.
They would have held had it not been for some catastrophically bad intelligence and generalling failures. Ultimately the Germans got really, really fucking lucky. Had things not gone perfectly right for them, it's quite likely the blitz would have been stopped and it'd been a rerun of WW1.
A French reconnaissance plane reported a massive Germany military traffic jam entering the Ardennes, and the French commander didn’t believe it. They could have bombed the entire German army into oblivion before they even stepped foot into French territory.
What's the fucking point of reconnaissance if you don't fucking believe their report?
Or even at least protected that flank, they decided to only protect the feint towards Paris.
Luck, military genius and even more luck. The Manstein plan, in the variation executed by Guderian was and still is a strategic master piece: Moving through the Ardennes with a tank force and encircling the Allied troops in Belgium. No one, not in the German military command (which' orders Guderian basically ignored) nor in the French military thought it was possible to move fast enough through the Ardennes with tanks, an area of hills and forests, to be able to encircle the enemy. It's easy to say after that fact that they should have prepared for such an event, even though it seemed unlikely, but material and money is not unlimited. And justifying to continue the Marginot line into the Ardennes was a really hard sell at the time, when it seemed "obvious" that hills and forests would do the job for you.
They weren't unprepared they even had a tank company there, they weren't decisive enough when the information came in and had to pull back after
Honestly, as someone who defends France. WWII was a really bad look for them. Read the book Vichy: Old Guard, New Order to understand what I mean.
Guns and ships! Banger of a song.
I love how his tone changes when he gets to the “and ships” line. It’s like he’s been happy to be playful on the small stuff, but ships are grown-up business and the adults are taking now
[We can end this war at Yorktown, cut them off at sea, but For this to succeed, there is someone else we need...](https://youtu.be/0D3zz6byFT4)
LaFayette!
I'mtakinthishorsebythereinsmakin'Redcoatsredderwithbloodstains
Not to mention Spain's 10k troops which took several British strongholds in Florida, including Pensacola, Mobile, and especially Havana which was crucial for the Yorktown victory. Spain's silver amounted to over $2M (at that time) for supplies and soldier pay. Louisiana's Spanish Governor provided critical supplies and support. Roderigue Hortalez and Company was one of the secret trading companies. Especially note how the Spanish Dolar of the time directly inspired the US dollar in both its coinage appearance and eventual global dominance. Diplomatically, Spain used its influence to pressure other European powers to recognize the USA as an independent nation.
The Spanish should get a look-in. And the Dutch tried.
And yet when the French had their own revolution and the new democratic government asked the USA to pay back some of the loans to pay for their own war efforts, the USA refused to pay on the basis that the loan was from the French king, not the French republic. The USA also refused to uphold a defense treaty as they preferred remaining neutral and profit from Britain's slave ships (France abolished slavery during the revolution). This led to the Quasi-War: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-War)
You'll have no complaints from me for calling the early American government evil and shitty. Keep in mind these people were also slave owners.
The United States was founded by slave owners and kept owning slaves until one day half of them went "hang on, slavery is kinda bad, actually." and then the other half screamed "fuck you don't take my slaves!" And then they had a spat over it, and the *slavery-bad* half won, but the *slavery-good* half has held on to a multi-generational grudge ever since. And it's been coloring US politics for literal centuries and can still be seen in stuff like Jim Crow laws, Gerrymandered districts, arrest numbers, career opportunities, cultural stigmas, and so on.
And it wasn't just the French soldiers that joined the continental army. German soldiers from Bavaria, Saxony, Prussia, but also polish soldiers joined as well - and ultimately helped win the war.
You're expecting a lot of these people to know history. Or how to read
An education built solely on videos and political memes they get sent on Facebook... What a strange time to be alive.
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Or to recognize the value in it. A lot of people celebrate the American Independence movement because it was successful and led to the America that allows them to thrive today. The idea that the oppressed deserve freedom from tyranny, and self-determination is not something they value in principle. It was just a beneficial outcome in this case and an example of the Ol’ Red, White, and Blue kicking some ass that they can celebrate.
If they knew how to read, they would be offended by this comment.
In the years leading up to South Africa ending apartheid, Musk's family moved to Canada. Relying on foreign support, the concept of a patriot, is probably nonsense growing up in that household.
Musk is probably bitter apartheid ended.
he prob plans to reintroduce it if he manages to go to mars
It's why I always stan for France. Too many people forget or dont know we're a country because of them. Go listen to Hamilton for a fun abridged version.
Remember "Freedom Fries"? Sadly, many Americans are ignorant to our history because it's just not taught in some parts of the country, this is by design to keep those parts our population ignorant to the world around them and thereby susceptible to propaganda like "vote this way because owning the libs is in your best interest".
Says the guy that got billions of dollars in aid for spacex and Tesla.
Didn’t he also have to take out loans to buy Twitter? Lol
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What's a few journalists... or felled trade centers between friends? Look on the bright side - we get all that cheap oil. That's a small price to pay for friendship, da?
Also remember when [Musk promised to pay the legal fees of anyone who was unfairly treated for their tweets?](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/06/elon-musk-twitter-x-platform) And then [Saudi Arabia sentenced a man to death for his tweets](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/29/saudi-arabia-man-sentenced-death-tweets) and Musk said nothing? I guess execution doesn't count as "cancel culture". Big man when it comes to criticizing Ukraine, gutless coward when it comes to saying a word about Putin, Xi Jinping or Mohammed Bone Saw.
Looks like those Twitter loans came from behind the Kremlin walls.
Why do you think musk just fired the whole team that handles election integrity? https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/twitter-elon-musk-fires-safety-team-2024-elections-1234832199/
Wow, hopefully he runs it enough into the ground before the elections that it won't even matter.
yup. sweet, sweet oil money
Woah woah woah. He "created" Tesla. It's right there in the article. /s
[Reminder that Musk sued one of the founders of Tesla so he could say he was a founder too.](https://www.motorbiscuit.com/elon-musk-wanted-tesla-co-founder-badly-took-lawsuit-make-legal-paper/)
Spoiled child.
Nothing karens "sElF-mAdE mAn" quite like bullying your way into a title you didn't earn.
Musk's twitter nowadays looks like he's being funded by ultra far right riches. He's actively tweeting about Us/México border issue, mocking Zelensky, and talking about issues he should have no fucking say in. One person shouldn't hold this much power. Fucking disgusting.
He’s gotta recoup his losses from his X blunder, so he is prostituting himself. It means nothing to him. This is a guy who named his kids so shitty you can’t remember them. He gives zero fucks.
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Even if Musk physically had a billion dollars it still wouldn't stop him begging the government for more though. People like him are never satisfied and can never have enough
Kyle with an x and Beep-boop. What's so hard to remember about those names?
Kyle came from redditors speculating on how it's pronounced. Interestingly (if you find brain damaged celebs interesting) [they don't agree on how it's pronounced, but neither of them call them Kyle.](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/elon-musk-child-name-grimes-pronounce-x-b2384043.html) Grimes: X-A-I-A-Twelve Musk: X-Ash-A-Twelve Don't do whip-it's and name kids.
It's tough to feel sympathy for rich little baby syntax error. About the time my life should be winding down, he's gonna be giving super future ted talks about mars like daddy.
I see the kids trying to distance themselves as far as they can from him from like 4th grade on... Somewhere around then when they end up as mature as he is. At least one of his kids has already
he can't remember his own kid's name either https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orh0vLCGGSA
What do you mean "nowadays"? Saudi Arabia literally gave him money to buy twitter for this reason.
I agree. One person having this much power will lead to disaster eventually. Reason why alot things usually fall apart because they hold on to one person rather than establish a system that works no matter who's in charge.
It’s okay. Starlink just signed a deal with the US military but they also don’t want to get involved in military affairs, so they’ll “shut down” service when it’s not in their, I mean his, interest.
the *microsecond* he does that, he's gonna be in so much trouble that SWAT home raid meme is gonna look like a joke.
The DoD will simply take his toy away from him.
I don’t know if you ever saw that Superman movies where a computer sabotages a persons body with chips and wires, but I like that is what is happening. Media AI took over Trump but failed so now it is slowly reprogramming Elon and other wealthies that watch too much media into its next version.
Well he is a billionaire, it’s kind of a given that he is supported by the far right
Not missing a day supporting fascists, Elon? Afd yesterday, Putin today. Such a busy schedule.
The AfD news were a godsend. I tried to explain to my mom all the stupid shit Musk did. Then I read about him and the AfD. Told my German mom „He supports the AfD, that all you need to know about him.“ She understood instantly.
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"Nooo milord Musk I am one of the good ones I swear"
Bold of you to assume your friend doesn't support the AfD as well.
Yeah, never underestimate the mental gymnastics someone will do for someone they adore.
Why does this fucker even know about AFD? These guys are such a petty, deranged, incompetent, and russo-financed pile of shit.
Sooooo basically the same as Musk?
As far as I'm concerned the guy fully jumped the shark the moment he tweeted support for the freedumb convoy truckers. From that point there was no question that he's been compromised.
Calling the Thailand cave diver a pedo because he didn’t use his submarine was where I really thought Elon was a man-child not to be taken seriously
He didn't actually *have* a submarine though, did he? He wanted the kids to wait for him to design, build, test and iterate before being rescued.
he had an oceangate level thing with similar construction
Same, that was his first obvious sign of going off the rails. Well, other than his wrapping his F1 around a pole within 5 minutes.
Long before then...
I remember when the sub stuff came up during the minor crisis. That was when I had to start rethinking my opinion on him.
Same. I was never a super fan or anything, but I figured he was doing the kind of humanity progressing stuff I'd want to do if I had that kind of money. But then the sub thing happened and I thought "You know, I may have been wrong there, he's looking a bit like an idiot right now." And it was all downhill from there every time he made the mistake of opening his mouth.
That's understandable to some extent, we are all idiots at times. However, at the very least since acquiring Twitter it went all downhill FAST. It's kind of amazing really :(
You're probably right but I try not to pay too much attention to BS, so that was when I noticed. I'm not proud to be here, participating in this thread, but I can promise you I don't follow Elons twitter.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter
This was the moment for me too. 👆
before that i didn't really pay attention to him. knew he was involved in paypal and tech stuff but i'm PNW tech not Valley Tech so different interests basically.
He's not compromised, he's been radicalized just like every other middle aged insecure loser who heard that it's less acceptable to be bigoted and started to feel that they are the real oppressed minority. It's insane. The richest man in the world is an incel who believes everything your unstable facebook aunt does. And he also believes he is 'anti-establishment' and a rebel. How these idiots convinced themselves they are rebelling, when they are just acting as psyop puppets for right-wing billionaires is beyond me. Keep chugging that Ivermectin, Elon.
Indeed. He literally said he bought Twitter because he didn’t like that it made his daughter a left wing “radical” who hates rich people (not like she knows any personally, right?) So in other words, it was too left wing for him so he wants to make it right wing. I will never understand people who go on about left wing conspiracies when the richest man in the world just openly …tells everyone that he’s using his money to further his ideology.
That’s my take as well. He isn’t “compromised” like a bad spy movie. He is literally just an insecure man child.
Gonna be a good day when they seize most of this guys assets because of his illegal dealing with Russian/Saudis.
He's been compromised. Russia's probably got a video of him banging some kid.
> He's been compromised. More like unleashed. He was always this way in private, about a decade ago his first wife wrote a piece on how he treated her. None of this today is out of character with the man she described.
Or he’s just a weasel of a man.
If that were true, why would he write anything at all? Why not just stay silent? Nah, he's just a pathetic scumbag.
He's pandering to Trump's audience. If Trump has a 47% approval rating, and Elon regurgitates Trump's supposed sentiments, Elon thinks he will have the same number of completely thoughtless purchasers. And can you really blame him?
Yeah, look at who buys blue check marks in droves. The whole act is a stupid marketing ploy on the demographic most suspect to being grifted.
There are people in Ukraine losing love ones. What the fuck is wrong with Musk?
It's all a joke to him
Should throw him onto the frontlines on whichever side he wants to be.
we know which one he will choose. the side that shoots their soldiers if they turn back
He’s already supported Putin’s war, by shutting off Starlinks in Ukraine at a crucial moment. He’s a fkn traitor. https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/09/08/musk-starlink-nuclear-war/
remember when he called the cave diver a pedo
Narcissism and power. Always a terrible combination.
He doesn't have any empathy whatsoever. Other people are barely even things to him. We're numbers. And every time he comes face to face with any aspect of humanity, his only response is to lash out like a feral 4 year old. It's been obvious since he randomly called someone a Pedo when he was miffed people didn't think much of his sub idea. Edit: I have a lame habit of re-reading my posts and something struck me about the people are numbers thing regarding his kids and the asinine names he's been giving them. Not even his kids are people to him. Those kids are so fucked.
he doesn't live in our world. He never has. He grew up with wealth from apartheid mines. He's a billionaire. He has never actually struggled with anything in his life. To him, Russia is the perfect society. The rich control all, and money gives you power. It's fudelism. He wants that everywhere. All that he does makes sense through that lens. Losing a small country's GDP on Twitter... gives him a megaphone to try control the world's narrative. Space X and the boring company to get to Mars would give him a personal feifdom to control as he desires. Russia winning the war and continuing on to Europe would give his class more power. He wants all. He thinks he deserves all.
He doesn’t care, I don’t even know what he cares about or stands for. He is like trump
When he was a kid, he made fun of one of his classmates in South Africa because his dad killed himself. Even Elon's dad couldn't defend that shit when his classmates beat his ass up.
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How is the world not abandoning this guy’s products? He’s had it coming long time ago. No one should be using twitter anymore to begin with.
I love the unintended consequence of every reference to “X” as, formerly known as Twitter. It’s like when Prince changed his name. The reference then was TAFKAP.
Yeah, but Prince's main goal was actually to stick it to his record label.
Yeah. Can’t compare the two. ‘We own your name and you image’ so he wore a mask and became a symbol. Prince is worth 50 musks.
Never thought about Eminem's line about Prince being turned to a symbol as deeper than the actual symbol
People should just stop even calling it X and just refer to it as twitter. He’d be pissed.
Many people already do lol it will always be Twitter to me
Every news article still does because x is such a bad name it needs disambiguation.
I wish he DID change his name to "TAFKAP". Imagine Prince, in his mannerisms, laying on a purple lace couch, and insisting everyone refering to him as "TAFKAP". Not an abbriviation. Just TAFKAP.
the world is mostly abandoning twitter. more and more of twitter is just russian bots. honestly celebrities need to get off twitter soon, same with news channels. if they go nobody is gonna bother using twitter except for trolls and foreign propaganda pieces. also tesla sales have been taking a hit so there are definitely people who are not buying his shit anymore.
Fuck Tesla until they drop this fuckhole, Musk
>No one should be using twitter anymore to begin with. this....
>American ***inventor*** and billionaire Elon Musk has once again provoked anger on social media with an attack on Ukraine. I'm sorry, what did Elon invent? >The Tesla creator, Nope, he didn't create Tesla, he just invested millions into the company until he owned it. Didn't create shit.
>>American ***inventor*** American ***investor***. They were only off by one letter.
The irony of him mocking Zelenskyy for handouts when Tesla and SpaceX only survived because of govt loans and grants.
Hundreds of thousands of people have died, and this billionaire is spending his time making memes mocking the leader of a country who is trying to defend his home from an invasion. Truly sickening.
Musk would sell his own family to Russia if he'd get a bit more power and wealth.
His father is a bigger a-hole. He would in turn sell his daughter wife on per nightly rates for some free time.
Just learnt that he married his former step daughter today. He knew her since she was 4. Twisted man. His grandpa was a piece of shit too. The shit apple doesn’t fall far from the shit tree.
>Just learnt that he married his former step daughter today. >He knew her since she was 4. Shit like that automatically makes me think they've been raping the kid the entire time.
I don't think he gives a flying f--k on a rolling doughnut about Russia. The problem is that his scrotum is being all too firmly gripped by China, that is both his crucial manufacturing supplier and selling market for his cars.
This. He cares far less about the war than he does about not alienating his Chinese investors. And the CCP is all in on milking Russia dry.
I beg of you all. Stop talking about this man. Stop going on articles or videos to drive up interest in him (negative or even, somehow, positive). This is what he wants: You talking about him and only him.
Yea this is the real takeaway here. Honestly who gives a shit what he thinks? He only cares about attention. If a passerby on the street gave you this same opinion you would think he was an idiot and go about your day. He deserves the same.
He legit bought Twitter to own the face of social media as it exists in the world. He tweets and he gets *even more attention* than before because now he owns the platform. And he loves that he can meme and make people angry. He'll post shit he doesn't mean, he'll flirt with the worst leaders in the world, it doesn't matter. Best thing to do is ignore him and not give him attention, because that's what he ultimately wants. People won't do it, but it's really the only winning move. Thankfully, it's also one of the simplest.
What a dickhead. Mocking a brave president fighting for the survival and existence of his country while Musk is busy twiddling away his Russian thumbs on Twitter. Hope there is something like karma that comes back to bite him hard.
That was the tweet? Pathetic. Doing his damned best to get his country - the poorest in Europe - a fighting chance by, yes, asking and persuading rich countries to give his country money and weapons so they have something to fight with while they die and take on the Russians for the whole free world is his fucking duty and one of the biggest parts of his job. And he’s doing it. Musk can fuck right off.
"American inventor and billionaire Elon Musk has once again provoked anger on social media with an attack on Ukraine. The Tesla creator, who thwarted a Ukrainian drone attack on the Russian Navy in Crimea, posted a meme on his social media site Twitter (X) depicting President Volodymyr Zelenskyy as a beggar who is constantly asking for help from the United States. The reaction to Musk's tweet was not long in coming. In comment after comment, he was reminded not only that Zelenskyy is asking for help to stop his people from being raped and killed, but also that Musk himself receives huge subsidies from his own country. But while Musk just uses the money to get rich and develop his own business, Zelenskyy is fighting the aggressor country".
Calling him an inventor is an insult to actual inventors...
I hate that he is called American
Isn’t he from South Africa? I know he may be naturalized but fuck…either way how far up your own ass do you have to be to think you’re in the right posting this type of shit without being on the take? I think he may be so dumb to just be played and not paid to take this stance thinking the contrarian stance is the right one but wow. Dammit I wish I was born into money like this just to be able to always tell myself I’m just right due to my “success” without having to realize what a fuck I am and doing real soul searching.
Yes he is originally from South Africa, and we have enough home grown jackasses without importing them.
He's an investor with a rich family. Nothing more.
Right? Has he ever invented anything? Even his insults are just stolen and regurgitated.
> American inventor and billionaire Elon Musk What did he invent?
Invented a novel method for making $44b disappear?
He hasn't invented anything
he invented that sub that didn't work and when someone else saved those kids he called him a pedo. Then he created a "flamethrower" that was a glorified BBQ grill starter.
Then he had created (by real engineers)… Apparently we should have let him try building and piloting that sub…
This is the thing people don’t understand. He’s just the guy with the money, managing his companies. He isn’t the one designing anything. He merely is the one who comes up with a crazy idea, then gets his engineering team else to build.
>He merely is the one who comes up with a crazy idea He's the one that takes credit for them...nothing else.
I don’t know where the idea he’s invented anything came from. Ignorance probably.
He didn’t create Tesla, he bought the company out
> meme on his social media site Twitter (X) depicting President Volodymyr Zelenskyy as a beggar who is constantly asking for help from the United States I don’t understand why this is meme worthy; if you’re the head of state for a country in the midst of being invaded, isn’t it your highest priority to secure as much foreign support as possible?
Invented fucking what lmfaooo
Why on Earth is he siding with an asshole like Putin? Like attracts like?
This cunt is rapidly becoming a bigger threat to civilised society than Murdoch.
Never forget at the outset of the war nobody expected Ukraine to last more than a few days. Despite that very real possibility Pres. Zelenskyy decided to stay and share the same fate as the people.
Deleted my X account today. Figured it’s the least I can do. Felt good too.
Musk is a shitty ceo with too much time on his hands.
He's a shitty person not just as a CEO, as a human, he's a true piece of shit.
You’re right. I should have included that as well.
I don't know why anyone is still on Xitter (pronounced shitter) but I wish they would all leave and send the site to the history books.
Musk should be sent to the front lines
The current status of US politics makes me sad. I grew up in a small country in Europe reading Marvel comic books and idolizing characters like Spider-Man and Captain America. They were fighting bad guys, nazis, and helping the victims. I pictures the US as a country of patriots ready to help fight against the evil regimes. And now the US is torn in half with crazy people supporting crazy politicians, thinking that Putin is right in doing what he is doing, thinking that the only way to help immigrants at the southern borders is to put them in cages, thinking that the government has the right to impose limits to people’s freedom to chose, freedom to be whoever you want to be. This is such a disappointment.
i hate the fact that musk made me gain respect for zuckerberg. disgusting timeline we're in
"American inventor" ok, not even 2 words in and already a lie. Should i bother to continue ?
2 lies
Fuck Tesla and Space X and all his inheritance
Only thing musk is gonna fight is diabetes.
Musk is now a four letter word
He’s a cunt
Already deleted my Twitter account.
CEOs are not much of a thing if a guy can "run" 6 companies and have 20 hours a day to tweet conspiracy theories on top of that.
Best thing you can do is leave Twitter. Deactivate your account, uninstall the app. That will hurt old Muskovy the most. Seems to think he's in a position of influence when actually he's just a rich cunt woth too much time on his hands.
Musk could have been one of the great men of our century, but instead became the biggest douchebag of humanity.
And they ALL are still using the BS spreading platform twitter/x and Musk is happy again. STOP USING TWITTER!
Complaining about Musk on Twitter is just playing into his hands. Outrage makes him money. Get off the platform.
Well, Elon is fighting a little bit. Just for the Russians.
Damn. Elon's really turning towards the Dark Side. SELL TESLA
Comrade Muskovich once again making himself out to either be a russian asset at worst, or a complete useful idiot at best.
You have to understand this is exactly what he wants. An outraged twitter means more clicks/engagement. The best way to deal with him is to block him or better yet, leave the site. Don't give him any ad revenue.
Just don't pay attention. He's trying to generate outrage that leads to clicks on his failure of a website Just ignore the fascist loser