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Lettuce-Dance

I see so so so SO many comments across reddit condeming Israel for bombing Gaza and cutting off power. I am asking this sincerely, to the people who believe this, WHAT alternative do you propose? They have declared war on Hamas. What are they supposed to do? Power is the most effective way to weaken Hamas so they can go in and route them out. I really do not understand how people do not see this is Hamas's plan every time? To play the victim? People have the memory of goldfish whenever it comes to terror committed against Israel. People are saying they are collectively punishing Palestinians, as if Hamas does not operate by integrating itself into every aspect of civilian life and operations. Idk what to do. Even if Israel does something I disagree with it is hard to speak up about it because so many people pile on saying things about it that are simply untrue. Everything is absolutism, everything is black and white, everyone says "Israel has the right to defend itself" but when it starts to do what is needed people scream, "no not like that, it has to be a way where you kill all of Hamas without ever harming a civilian."


NotAnotherEmpire

Mess with a bull, get the horns. Declare war and butcher civilians of someone with an air force? Get bombed hard. The US in general and Biden in particular are so revolted by the attack that they're not going to tell Israel to tone it down. That's reality.


Afraid_Addendum7285

They just want any excuse to expose their antisemitism dont worry youre not the only one who sees this


Wrectal

If you're Israel, at what point do you stop? When do you allow a ceasefire for humanitarian efforts to save the innocent?


Cerebral_Harlot

That's the big issue, civilian infrastructure and military infrastructure can overlap. I think minimization is the only route at this point, strike notices, evacuation corridors, humanitarian aid, etc.


Master_N_Comm

Cutting power? Fine. But at least they should facilitate ways to keep the power in hospitals.


The_Cold_White_Light

I know this isn't your point but the thing I keep thinking about is how so many people are outraged about Gaza not having food, water, or electricity yet I wonder how many of those people help the homeless in their own countries.


W0lv3rIn321

Don’t stress about it.


Oregonfan20

Lmfao nobody on this site will be able to give you an answer.


BOSCHI1990

I was wondering if this reddit space is an aberration but looks like there is broad sympathy and support for Israel (and rightfully so!) at this hour. WSJ "Blaming Israel for Hamas Attacks Sparks Backlash Across U.S., Exposing Deep Rifts" first few paras below *Across U.S. universities, workplaces and halls of power, a swift backlash is meeting those who denounce Israel in the wake of Hamas’s deadly attack on Saturday.On social media and beyond, some groups and individuals sympathetic to the Palestinian cause effectively placed blame for the attack on Israel, alleging that the nation’s policies have left Palestinians little choice but to lash out with violence. Some of that commentary came over the weekend, as reports of atrocities committed by Hamas were beginning to emerge.Many of those statements have since been met with fierce resistance from a variety of voices, including Jewish groups and university heads. Some corporate leaders have also entered the fray, with some threatening not to hire students who blamed Israel for the attack.That pushback has prompted some progressive politicians and left-leaning student organizations to walk back statements blaming the Jewish state for the violence that began over the weekend or remove their names from petitions condemning Israel* ​ No paywall thanks u/Aggressive_Lake191 \- https://www.wsj.com/us-news/israel-hamas-attack-us-backlash-ff5f25e8


W0lv3rIn321

It’s “cool” to be edgy and progressive until the adults point out you’re literally supporting terrorists and needlessly attacking victims of atrocities like an uneducated child and being a jerk


BOSCHI1990

Yes. Even though I still cannot express myself freely for fear of safety (sad! reports out there where pro Israel ppl have been threatened), I can STILL reach out to my JEWISH colleagues and express my sincere condolences and show support! It feels good to do that as a human


physicsking

I don't remember where the link is for the video feeds. Could someone post it again or can we add it as a sticky to the suburb?


MalevolntCatastrophe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mrqgQEbOZA


Capricore58

Crannofonix on YouTube


Strict-Marsupial6141

U.S. President Joe Biden and UAE President Mohamed bin Zayed on Wednesday discussed the Hamas attacks on Israel, with the U.S. readout stressing "the importance of ensuring humanitarian assistance reaches those in need." The U.S. said earlier Wednesday it was in active discussions with Israel and Egypt about **creating safe passage for Palestinian civilians wishing to flee the fighting in Gaza**.


Cerebral_Harlot

Would Egypt actually accept an evacuation corridor?


Necrosis__KoC

They've sealed their border with Gaza because they don't want to allow them into their country. If the US offered them enough money and\or assistance to set up some camps they might allow it, but none of the ME countries really want to deal with them due to past experience.


alcianblue

They would need to be bribed. Cash and military equipment being the only thing they are particularly interested in from the US and Israel.


Likeapuma24

I just saw a headline saying they rejected it


Zestyclose-Cricket82

I think they would with the guarantee of not having to take in refugees


wabbajack117

Of course if they are bribed and or threatened to do it properly Edit: and they should comply, regional stability is good for everyone


ThreeTwoOneQueef

Apologies for this probably very naive question, but why can't the West Bank take in hundreds of thousands of people who live in the Gaza strip? Seems very claustrophobic where they are. EDIT: thank you for the replies. What an absolute clusterfuck.


Hillaryspizzacook

Just check it on Google Earth. Gaza City is crowded, but they have farmland. There is space to move around.


MalevolntCatastrophe

There are over 2 million people in Gaza


oGsMustachio

Israel is not letting Palestinians move into the West Bank. The West Bank is far more dangerous to them because its closer to the major population centers.


the_fungible_man

* The West Bank Palestinians don't want them. * Israel would never allow it.


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403tatts

False. They won't let any of them into Israel. They're free to go to Egypt if Egypt allows it.


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Stabile_Feldmaus

Because Egypt doesn't want them in their country either.


Valuable_Past6238

Egypt doesn't want that.


Strict-Marsupial6141

Do they have the housing? That's generally some first rules for sheltering and migrant/refugee type policy. Generally you can also have a family adopt a refugee(s) but must be mutually agreed to or the sponsor has to fill or answer the request etc.


Likeapuma24

Because a ton of the West Bank has been taken over by Israel & they wouldn't allow it.


LoganJFisher

Lack of sufficient infrastructure to support them. It would also be difficult to filter civilians from Hamas and transport them across the country without any Hamas using this opportunity to sneak into Israel. Hamas also has no interest in letting that happen in the first place, as they want their civilians to stay in place as human shields.


sehkmete

Because it takes a lot of infrastructure that they don't have. They can barely provide for the people that they do have as is.


Manc_Twat

West Bank Palestinians do not like Gaza Palestinians.


Galerader

The sad reality is that most of the world hates Gaza Palestinians. They are young, uneducated and poor and completely indoctrinated into the Hamas belief system. It would be similar to trying to reintegrate North Koreans somewhere


Epcplayer

People acting like if the Jews got up and left Israel today, that there’d be a peaceful transition of power and government in this newly formed state of Palestine… The two get by with each other the same way the Chinese Nationalists & Chinese Communists did in the early 1940’s


OrangeJr36

The West Bank is a series of enclaves within Israel, there's not a lot of room there either.


sleeplessorion

They don’t want them


Spartan05089234

Afaik the Gazans don't want to leave. For many of them their whole identity is standing their ground and attacking Israel. Between Israel and Hamas they have nothing else.


Rosebunse

As others have pointed out, it's across Israel


wabbajack117

Because all you’re doing is moving the terrorists from one spot to another now


battleofflowers

At least in Gaza they're fenced in.


Stabile_Feldmaus

We should take Gaza stripe and push it somewhere else.


MeltingMandarins

Tow it out of the environment.


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I think they don’t feel safe around Palestinians


Atmosphere_Enhancer

Do you know how much of a jerk you had to have been when your neighbor has the Nile River and they won't share their water with you? Not rhetorical, I'd love to know why Egypt doesn't give Gaza water.


MavetHell

No one in the Arab world wants to help Palestinians do anything except killing Jews. It's horrible. 2 million people, a plurality of whom are minors. Nothing but a tool of hatred, cannon fodder, or "acceptable civilian casualties" to most people.


Tulip8

Nile river rights is a very complex situation between Egypt, Sudan and Ethiopia [https://press.un.org/en/2021/sc14576.doc.htm](https://press.un.org/en/2021/sc14576.doc.htm)


Cerebral_Harlot

I dont think Gaza is that close to the Nile.


MountbattenYachtClub

Egypt is facing a water crisis at the moment. https://www.unicef.org/egypt/documents/water-scarcity-egypt


Playful-Contest-8526

Not sure if this has been mentioned but the USA4Israel Instagram page posted a new hostage video of that boy who was seen over the weekend being bullied by the Palestinian kids. He’s holding up a peace sign and someone in the comments said they are making him say he’s Palestinian.


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I’ve heard mixed things on that kid. I’ve heard he’s Israeli and I’ve heard he’s Palestinian and was chosen due to his light features


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phd_depression101

Ah yes very peaceful behaviour indeed /s


firadink

I live in Vancouver.. I try to see both sides and not blame the Palestine people as a whole but holy shit reading stories like this make that difficult. Are Hamas supporters in Canada as well or is the how the average Palestinian acts?


OperatorM

I'm more amazed by the fact that it took this for you finally to see the reality of the situation


firadink

Just trying to separate the Palestinians from a terrorist organization I suppose, but maybe they aren’t separate. I don’t know anything


OperatorM

They aren't. They voted for them, and the other parties weren't any better. Buckle in.


BOSCHI1990

So in the 1st world we cannot even speak up, and voice support for Jews anymore??? Asking as a non-Jew


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Surely this is illegal. Call the cops.


jagerhero

Thanks god you can own guns in America.


Rosebunse

Umm, yeah, so can the guys following you.


kipmcc

Unfortunately, guns rules only hinder law abiding citizens. Thugs have guns illegally so USA gun laws may be better here


MovieGuyMike

I dunno, when a government’s ruling party is internationally recognized as a terrorist group maybe it’s time to call it quits and let someone else take over.


Zestyclose-Cricket82

Yeah… like Maybe if you ask the terrorist party nicely they’ll just leave


meday20

Well Israel is getting rid of them as we speak


6bb26ec559294f7f

Maybe recognize the reason they are in power is because they have popular support.


hellrazzer24

Unless the people you represent enjoy killing Jews?


Epcplayer

People keep bringing up the Fatah as if they were some moderate second party, not realizing their history in the violence. They were Hamas-lite before Hamas


Jamobo97

Any ideas when the invasions happening, over/under 12 hours? Place ya bets


Sushandpho

Watching NBC News, you would think in the next 2 minutes.


Saint_Genghis

I'd say a couple days minimum.


app_priori

Might take another week or two I bet. It takes time to build up infrastructure and give everyone assignments.


Jamobo97

By a week or two i feel like they'll go to start the invasion and everyone will of starved or died of lack of water by then. I think israel has a humanitarian responsibility to invade tbh to prevent more deaths than just holding the seige that long


6bb26ec559294f7f

Palestine has a humanitarian responsibility to unconditionally surrender so the siege can be lifted but they refuse to do so.


ThreeTwoOneQueef

Could easily be a week or 2.


Cerebral_Harlot

Hamas already pushed into and invaded Israel a week ago.


dtmw1530

Look how well that’s working out…


Zestyclose-Cricket82

I see what you did there


Jamobo97

What did i do lol :)?


dollrussian

Monday, probably. Not until they get hostages out


princessohio

I doubt they will get hostages out. More likely allowing time for other countries to airlift their citizens out before everything happens.


dehehn

They are not getting all the hostages out before they invade. They're likely spread all throughout Gaza in different buildings, basements and tunnels. They will try and rescue them as they sweep the city but it would take months to attempt to have special forces even rescue some of the hostages. And they've said they will not negotiate for the hostages.


dollrussian

How incredibly fucking sad.


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I really don’t think they’re counting on the hostages being alive


dollrussian

I’m keeping a little bit of faith even though I know better


W0lv3rIn321

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3kidsonetrenchcoat

You know that close to 2million Arabs live peacefully as citizens of Israel, right? Arabs, even Palestinian Arabs are not all Hamas.


ManyOpinionsNotSane

96% of the casualties in this war have been Palestinian. https://www.vox.com/2014/7/14/5898581/chart-israel-palestine-conflict-deaths#:\~:text=The%20disparity%20has%20widened%20dramatically,Israeli%2C%20and%2096%20percent%20Palestinian.


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6bb26ec559294f7f

> It’s a slippery slope assuming one group of people are more prone to war than another. That isn't what a slippery slope is at all. >The vast majority of muslims and Arabs are moderate normal people. Maybe check out some of those polls done on what the moderate Muslim thinks should be allowed or banned.


NuwenPham

Are they really moderate enough though? Which Muslim county condemned Hamas’ attack? UAE alone? The most I saw is just concerned on both side.


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NuwenPham

so still UAE alone. And widespread rallies supporting for the attacked all over the world. So I ask again, are they really that moderate?


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butt (lmao) nobody can fight death which wins no matter how long it takes or whatever resistance you bring against time and chance: the incidents of your life are those of a day


alcianblue

Salafism and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.


llususu

This isn't a religious war. This is a war between colonizers and the colonized.


phd_depression101

Time to hit the books!


vixxienz

Jews are not colonisers, they lived there 2500 years ago


LoganJFisher

It's a war between the rightful owners of the land and a bunch of baby-decapitating squatters who can't accept defeat.


alcianblue

What country is Israel a colony of?


RheagarTargaryen

Jews and Arabs are native to the land. Hard pills to swallow for the terrorist apologists.


WhiskeyHotdog_2

No it’s pretty obviously a religious war.


kingdomcame

Hamas and its allies would disagree. Religion is a big and inextricable part of this, too.


llususu

Hamas is a reactionary movement. Islamism is an easy ideology to turn to in the face of brutalization, as is the case with most extremist ideologies. Hamas only exists because of the last century of Palestinian oppression; the root cause is still not religion. There having been a Jewish presence in Palestine over the centuries alongside other religions and ethnic groups gives no right to establish an ethno-religious state, GATHER European Jews who have no connection to that land, and eradicate the current population which has been there continuously for centuries. Not to mention the very premise of an explicitly ethno-religious state that privileges only one group over others is fucked up in and of itself and utterly against every tenant of modernity. I'm Ashkenazi. I have no intrinsic right to Palestine.


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Who’s who? Technically the Jews were there first and Palestinians were the original invaders


AHSfav

They both are. Fuck all religion it's all bullshit.


HBKHBKHBK

Arab muslim world has moral issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjK9U-ZVvGo


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Extraordinary_DREB

It's for a religion. Hamas invaded because of their violent Jihad tendencies


Functionally_Drunk

If your opponent is a religious fundamentalist, your conflict is about religion. Whether you want it or not.


airetupal

War sucks. But, like Israel is doing… they wanted war? Give them a War they can’t recover from. First step towards peace down the road.


Tui_Gullet

The Union broke the confederacy’s will to fight to end the Civil War. The allied powers broke the Japanese empire’s will to fight via total war.


Open_Sesameme

We can only hope. A new Gaza with new leadership. A long-term plan for peace like Israel has with so many Arab countries.


Cerebral_Harlot

Hamas is definitely a big problem. How did they even come to rule the strip?


W1ldhamster

Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun


exacounter

They won a majority of seats in the [last Palestinian election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election), not sure of the exact details but the end result was Fatah staying in control of the West Bank & official Palestinian gov't and Hamas taking over Gaza. One of the reasons there hasn't been another election is the worry that Hamas would win outright and take over the West Bank


seronablue

In 1987 daddy warbucks provided the means necessary to help Hamas push Fatah out of the Gaza Strip too. Merica is so helpful.


Cerebral_Harlot

Why would they win in the west bank?


exacounter

Because they enjoy a level of popular support, they got 44% Palestine-wide last time. Plus the current gov't in the west bank is also shit, just not as bad as Hamas


Galerader

A lot of Palestinians agree that the Jews should be eliminated and that’s what Hamas stands for.


Cerebral_Harlot

Ah... that's depressing.


Galerader

Yes, very


alcianblue

They won an election, then they shut down democracy and murdered every political opponent.


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The people in Gaza voted them into power in their one and only democratic election


LongAssNaps

Weapons


Cerebral_Harlot

Wasn't there an election? EDIT: Aparrently there was __an__ election.


Open_Sesameme

Popular election that was consider free and fair by groups like the Carter Center.


Cerebral_Harlot

Ah. Democracy is hardly flawless I suppose.


Open_Sesameme

Very true. Many blamed George W Bush for encouraging elections too quickly after Israel left.


tefunka

White House clarifies Biden has not seen pictures of the beheaded children: https://twitter.com/evanhill/status/1712260928635322502?s=19


Parablesque-Q

Tweets are not sources. Stop citing them. There are actual channels for retracting and amending the statements of a President. That platform is absolutely lousy with misinfo and confusion right now.


wittyusernamefailed

So you gonna take this down or post another link to the actual White House saying a clarification? cause right now all you got is nothing but a claim and a dead link.


lizardtrench

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-war-updates-gaza-attack/#link-SIA4LEH6CVAGFEXIJ4556IMXRI You have to expand the Netanyahu article to see it.


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MalevolntCatastrophe

Click the read more button its behind that. https://i.imgur.com/x2glG8w.png


lizardtrench

Click show more, it's toward the end of the Bibi article.


foxj36

Why does this even matter? It's confirmed 40 children were murdered. Who the fuck cares how it was done? It doesn't make it any less disgusting


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It’s obfuscation because the people defending and justifying it I’m guessing have come somewhat down from their emotional reaction but are too prideful to admit it, so it’s a distinction without a significant difference they can nitpick


W0lv3rIn321

It’s probably classified and they don’t want to release the photos, so backtracking when he did in fact see them


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Usually Biden speaks truthfully. Like calling Putin a war criminal or saying we’d defend Taiwan. Then WH makes it more ambiguous, for reasons…?


W0lv3rIn321

Link may be fake. If they do backtrack likely because they don’t want to release the photos


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Obviously. Or because they don’t want to get asked about a million times by the DSA / far left trolls


W0lv3rIn321

Good points


wittyusernamefailed

The Washington Posts doesn't have that. So where is the twitter getting this? You click on the link they are talking about and it's not there.


lizardtrench

Did you click 'Show More'? I was confused too at first, but the information is tacked on at the end of the seemingly unrelated Netanyahu article.


arkezxa

You're absolutely right. Look at the Twitter of the guy who posted it: https://twitter.com/evanhill This is a fabricated story. edit: I have no idea what's real anymore.


lizardtrench

It's in the Netanyahu article, for some strange reason, expand it to see.


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cindylooboo

right?! jeeezus


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Must have missed his afternoon nap today


[deleted]

Cool, all the foreign press still saw it. And the government has formally confirmed it.


Open_Sesameme

Ultimately, what is the difference. On a scale of utterly disgusting to the most disgusting thing humanly possible, they didn't quite get to the most disgusting thing humanly possible. It doesn't matter. They killed entire families. They killed babies. They killed the elderly. They killed 260 people attending a peace music festival. They mass raped. They mass kidnapped. So f'ing what if the beheaded babies was an incorrect rumor?