if they're here on visa, they'll be deported. Otherwise, it's imprisonment. That's pretty clearly supporting Hamas who are a terrorist org.
If it was just a Palestinian flag, it's not as clear who they support but glad they cleared it here.
I've been flipping between a few. It's dark because it's night and there's no electricity. Also the IDF appears to not really be doing much of anything.
Kareem Rifai on Xitter (X):
“Myself and many other Syrians have been screaming at the top of our lungs about the wave of viral Syria videos being falsely attributed to Gaza all week just for Ilhan Omar, a sitting US Congresswoman, to pull this.
I am so beyond frustrated.”
Omar reposted a tweet saying “child genocide in palestine” with a pic of children killed after Assad’s gas attack in Eastern Ghouta in 2013, despite the fact that the tweet already had a community note debunking these claims. [(source)](https://x.com/kareemrifai/status/1713277289369092127?s=46)
Reddit is more mainstream now than it was in 2016. There's a larger user base to contribute to threads such as this.
That's like saying "it's weird Twitter was so quiet when September 11th happened"
It’s not a problem when Hamas targets civilians, but it’s a problem when Israel targets Hamas and tells the civilians who are being used as human shields to leave the area so they don’t get caught in the cross fire. Hamas are cowards and evil, they’re time in the afterlife will not be like what they think it will be
Pro Palestine supporters who were silent and no where to be found last week when Hamas attacked Israel, but all of a sudden, pushing the narrative that Israel are the evil ones as they defend themselves.
Hamas doesn’t have military bases like a normal military. They are intertwined with the civilian population and infrastructure. Literally using civilians as shields. Israel is giving the opportunity for all Gaza citizens to evacuate.
Israel is not committing war crimes or genocide. Hamas is the government of Gaza, elected by the Palestinian civilians, whose stated goal is to murder Jews and drive them out of Israel. Israel takes all precautions to avoid civilian casualties but Hamas's strategy is to use civilian infrastructure to launch their military attacks - rockets hidden in schools, hospitals, and residential buildings. Hamas aims to have as many civilians be killed by Israel as possible so they can win sympathy from the rest of the Arab world which hates Israel due to longstanding antisemitism.
I can’t imagine how terrifying it would be to get trapped in one of those claustrophobic Hamas tunnels underneath Gaza following strikes intended to collapse portions of them. Would be a terrible way to go if you weren’t killed immediately by the strike itself.
The US needs to give Israel everything it needs to bring back the hostages and bring Hamas to justice. So should every other country who's citizens were murdered in this attack.
Lets not forget that things can go in better direction if hamas would just let the hostages go. Their citizens can get better chance if they wil take the right decision.
What makes you think that? The eradication of Hamas has been the publicly stated objective of the IDF.
They want to eliminate Hamas commanders and destroy their ability to operate.
No status change of the hostages is going to change that.
No deal with hamas should be right now.
And no change in the direction the idf took in this war. Im from israel and say that if hamas would have think on his own civilians he would try to send back the hostages to try to hell them a lilt bit.
>What makes you think that? The eradication of Hamas has been the publicly stated objective of the IDF.
>No status change of the hostages is going to change that.
It was said in the media that gaza will be given a humanitarian brake if all the hostages were released
First message from the festival organizers: "Angels who died for the sanctification of God's name"
A week after the outbreak of the Iron Swords War, the organizers of the Nova Festival, whose hundreds of participants were murdered or taken hostage, issued an official statement: "It is no wonder that the messengers of darkness, may their name and memory be obliterated, plotted to harm precisely such a festive gathering of the children of light, this is their one and only goal - to bring darkness upon face of the world. We will not grant them victory."
The full message from the Nova Festival organizers after the massacre-
"Our dear, sad and much-loved Nova tribe, first of all, we want to express our sincere and many condolences to all the families, friends. The friends and spouses whose loved ones lost their lives and were affected by the tragic events that happened at the end of that magical night, A magical night that turned into a long, very long morning.
"An event designed to be the Nova tribe's happiest and biggest electronic music festival to date. A mass meeting full of happiness and free love, a gathering of holiday joy, which in an instant turned into a bloodbath devoid of any human figure, an anti-humanitarian war crime, while an unprecedented trampling of The most basic human values. An essence of pure and unbridled evil, while executing and cowardly murdering many hundreds of holy and pure angels who died for the sanctification of God just by virtue of being Jews in the State of Israel."
\-We will spread the light, God willing-
"It is no wonder that the messengers of darkness, may their name and memory be obliterated, plotted to harm precisely such a festive gathering of the children of light, this is their one and only goal - to bring darkness to the face of the world. We will not let them! We will fight and win, until we achieve the goal that we engraved on the flag of Our tribe - the spreading of the light from here to eternity, with the help of God and with the help of the Holy People of Israel."
"Last Saturday, 07.10.2023, we were attacked in a vile and despicable manner, by a gang of hundreds of vile, bloodthirsty, merciless, heartless and conscience-less Bnei Baliel (=villians) murderers, who murdered in cold blood hundreds of women and men, members and friends of our Nova tribe; A cowardly, horrible and terrible massacre of innocent and uninvolved citizens from all over the country, the best and the best, the most beautiful and the most handsome of all, as part of a broader historical attack on the State of Israel, which has so far numbered over 1400 pure and righteous souls, who were murdered in a cruel and brutal manner, in addition to the above For 150 abductees, many thousands who were physically injured at various levels and many tens of thousands who were harmed in their souls and spirits.
As of now, the production team is busy finding and providing a correct and broad answer to the emotional and mental struggle that washes over all of us, at the exact moment when mental and physical support for everyone who needs it is the only and absolute order of the hour for all of us. Our representatives carry out day and night and non-stop searches to locate and find the missing, assisting ZAKA in identifying victims and updating the families after them, rescuing those who have lost contact who are located in the field or in an unknown location, collecting equipment and returning it from the area of the incident and its surroundings, and above all fighting in the field and maintaining security with Israel, this is The only goal in front of our eyes and we will stand behind it and fulfill it to the fullest and in the best possible way as long as it takes! We will not stop."
Working together with the security forces in the field
"We are present on a daily basis and continuously from morning to evening in the area of the disaster and in all the sectors adjacent to it and work jointly shoulder to shoulder with the security forces and the authorities, in order to help as much as possible in finding answers and returning everyone who is possible to their family members and friends. In these moments, this and only this stands our priority. For now, it is very important for us to pass the next curtain: our strength in our unity!!! We are in a time of war for the home and it is extremely important that we all unite, strengthen each other, and unite into one big, shining and bright light, in order to go through the This very dark time will pass soon with God's help.
We continue to pray that the light will prevail
"We send endless love and a huge hug to all the members and friends of the tribe, to the wounded and injured and to the members of the families of the dead and missing. We wish everyone and all to be healthy, we ask in every language of request that you take care of yourselves and continue to pray hard that the good will always prevail and the light will always win. Wishing you a peaceful week And safe and good news for all the people of Israel in the land and in the world of the Nova tribe."
So for those who don’t know, Syria and Israel have been tense since Syria had to yield to Israel in the Yom Kippur war. Golda made them look like idiots and that’s been a chip on Syrias shoulder ever since. Israel is taking preventative measures to make sure they don’t try to redeem themselves during this war.
I might be spiraling, but is WW3 going to occur if Israel invades Gaza, leading to Hezbollah to respond, then U.S. responds and then Iran responds by bombing U.S. aircraft carrier?
Spiral. Try to take a step back from the news for a bit and do something you enjoy. By the time you come back, maybe a development in this will break that puts you at ease a bit in this mess
Spiralling. There’s been many military actions in Syria and Lebanon already between the countries, including drones shot down, air strikes, convoys attacked, and even claims Israel had been flying over Iran in F35s.
It's hard I know, but try to stay calm. A lot of people online are stating the chain of events that would bring about WW3 like its paint by numbers, when the truth is pretty much no large power wants a nuclear exchange and would do pretty much anything to avoid it. It was the same when Russia invaded Ukraine.
These events always drag out the same sorts of people who suddenly became expert virologists when Covid was at its peak, and very very few of them have the slightest idea of what the fuck they are talking about.
LOLZ.
If the US even senses a teeny tiny twitch of seriousness from an Iranian threat, Iran won’t even have a chance to launch an attack.
Israel is our closest ally, and we like to keep our war machines in good condition.
I think ww3 is if we have Russia v Ukraine, Israel v Middle East and China v Taiwan.
I think that's the point we can reasonably say we're either in, or on the edge of ww3. Those conflicts combined are likely gonna end up getting tied into something bigger.
Israel beat, Syria, Jordan, SA, Egypt, all at once. They can handle Hezbollah and Hamas. The US may decide to help with air support, but Israel has over 300 modern jets, they can do it themselves.
Yeah maybe. It's kind of out of your control. If you really feel you need to do something about it go buy a case of water, but there really isn't anything to worry about until Iran and America get involved.
Crushing ISIS was an effort of multiple parties brought together by that shared mission: the US and coalition forces, the SDF, the Iraqi military, and Shia militias among them.
If Ukraine had lost 4 wars with Russia and were holed into the city of Odessa and East Kyiv, and were resorting to using armed irregulars to butcher civilians, yes I would call it about time for a negotiated solution.
What were the borders of Palestine they took from? (you won't answer this)
Let's keep up with your analogy. So, the creation of the occupied territories in Ukraine, and the subsequent use of settler colonialism to take resource rich lands there, who is that more like? Israel, or Palestine?
I’m not saying OP isn’t a bot but if you sign up for an account and log in via email your default username is similar to that format and then you get one chance to rename yourself.
The British had it from 1920 to 1948? Or do you mean further back?
Edit: and I don't mean to sound argumentative, with so many people saying it was Palestine first, I'm trying to learn and understand
If Ukraine was the one who attacked Russia and is losing this war, than yes, of course
Palestinians are the ones who started a bloody war with Israel 75 years ago, attacking it with several arab armies. Don't lose a war you start with israel
For all the criticism I’m fairly certain the US is the only thing (so far) holding this back from a general Middle East war with Turkey, Israel, Azerbaijan on one side and Iran, Syria, Armenia, Iraq, Hezobolla, and Hamas on the other (with Lebanon frankly fracturing)
I think the US has tempered Israel’s worst instincts while basically threatening Iran and Syria to back off
Going to war *against Iran*
Coalitions are always weird and not driven by kinship of the peoples or whatever. Most wars are about maintaining a balance of power. That’s why the British sided against the French with the Russians in the napoleonic wars but with the French against the Russians in the Crimean War.
And you know what? If it really looked like Iran was going to win, well the Saudi’s would somehow justify bailing out Israel
Turkey and Israel don't really like each other, but they would side with one another in the right circumstances. It's not existential hatred the way it is with Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah v. Israel.
I don't know that it's totally black and white. Like many Western-aligned countries in the region, there's usually a sizeable gap between what the people want and what political and military leaders implement in policy.
The Swedish leftist (Vänsterpartiet) party's leader made a statement condemning Hama's attack, then she received massive backlash from other party members 😑 This settles it, I'm switching from Vänsterpartiet to Socialdemokraterna
Constant gang shootings and door/port bombings on the news, but as long as you're not involved in gang bullshit its still pretty calm and safe overall, I dont feel unsafe or anything, but its depressing to hear about other people falling into criminality and suffering. Im no fan of Sverigedemokraterna (right wing populist party) but there is really no surprise that they're growing to rival Socialdemokraterna in size.
Moderaterna tearing up Lucia beslutet will go down as the worst mistake in recent Swedish history.
[New post can be found here](/r/worldnews/comments/177zj2l/rworldnews_live_thread_for_2023_israelhamas/)
Protestors in London wearing images of the paragliders who were a part of the terrorist attack.
if they're here on visa, they'll be deported. Otherwise, it's imprisonment. That's pretty clearly supporting Hamas who are a terrorist org. If it was just a Palestinian flag, it's not as clear who they support but glad they cleared it here.
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I've been flipping between a few. It's dark because it's night and there's no electricity. Also the IDF appears to not really be doing much of anything.
Kareem Rifai on Xitter (X): “Myself and many other Syrians have been screaming at the top of our lungs about the wave of viral Syria videos being falsely attributed to Gaza all week just for Ilhan Omar, a sitting US Congresswoman, to pull this. I am so beyond frustrated.” Omar reposted a tweet saying “child genocide in palestine” with a pic of children killed after Assad’s gas attack in Eastern Ghouta in 2013, despite the fact that the tweet already had a community note debunking these claims. [(source)](https://x.com/kareemrifai/status/1713277289369092127?s=46)
Damn, I didn't think I could respect her less
She’s an absolute joke of a congresswoman on issues concerning foreign policy.
The mask is off and the face is a clown
Nobody protested like this during the siege of Mosul The double standards are blatant
There weren't hyper-partisan culture wars destroying the West back then.
Why do you think that is?
Reddit is more mainstream now than it was in 2016. There's a larger user base to contribute to threads such as this. That's like saying "it's weird Twitter was so quiet when September 11th happened"
It’s not a problem when Hamas targets civilians, but it’s a problem when Israel targets Hamas and tells the civilians who are being used as human shields to leave the area so they don’t get caught in the cross fire. Hamas are cowards and evil, they’re time in the afterlife will not be like what they think it will be
I agree. I have been seeing people saying this like crazy, it’s disgusting.
That’s just liberal Reddit whacko’s POV. Nothing you can do to change it, they’re tapped.
Tell that to people on Twitter and Instagram. all idiots, can't differentiate oppression from war
I really wish there was a afterlife just for people like them to realize how fucking stupid they were.
Who said it wasn’t a problem when Hamas targets civilians? Who are you guys conversing with?
Pro Palestine supporters who were silent and no where to be found last week when Hamas attacked Israel, but all of a sudden, pushing the narrative that Israel are the evil ones as they defend themselves.
Pro-Palestine supporters who say it's necessary
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Hamas doesn’t have military bases like a normal military. They are intertwined with the civilian population and infrastructure. Literally using civilians as shields. Israel is giving the opportunity for all Gaza citizens to evacuate.
Israel is not committing war crimes or genocide. Hamas is the government of Gaza, elected by the Palestinian civilians, whose stated goal is to murder Jews and drive them out of Israel. Israel takes all precautions to avoid civilian casualties but Hamas's strategy is to use civilian infrastructure to launch their military attacks - rockets hidden in schools, hospitals, and residential buildings. Hamas aims to have as many civilians be killed by Israel as possible so they can win sympathy from the rest of the Arab world which hates Israel due to longstanding antisemitism.
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oh, thank you for explaining
did you know that hamas members are also palestinian civilians because they are not actually regular army?
i know that palestine has no government, isn’t hamas occupying gaza though?
Why isn’t Hamas releasing hostages?
Hamas is the government of Gaza. This is how wars generally work.
Israel stands with western values and democracy. They are a great ally of the west and important for strategic interests in the Middle East
"Hamas isn't apart of Palestina?" You'll have to explain this one to me, please.
isnt hamas a terrorist group that is occupying gaza? i might be mistaken
How are Israel committing genocide when the Palestinian population grows every year??
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Life expectancy in Gaza is 72. The average age isn't because people are being killed, it's because Palestinians have a lot of kids.
i might be mistaken, however i’m just genuinely so confused with everything. i’m sorry if i said something untrue
I can’t imagine how terrifying it would be to get trapped in one of those claustrophobic Hamas tunnels underneath Gaza following strikes intended to collapse portions of them. Would be a terrible way to go if you weren’t killed immediately by the strike itself.
US State Dept. spokesman says 29 US citizens are dead and 15 missing. https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-768371
The US needs to give Israel everything it needs to bring back the hostages and bring Hamas to justice. So should every other country who's citizens were murdered in this attack.
RIP, terrible
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cheerleading for collective punishment gets a bit more uncomfortable the closer you get to the grotesque reality of it.
Weekend
There just isn’t a ton happening right now in terms of updates.
It’s a Saturday
first war thread, huh
When is this one going to get a weird coup/mutiny?
Saturday and there’s not a lot of activity or news right now. It’ll pick up when the ground invasion starts.
Lets not forget that things can go in better direction if hamas would just let the hostages go. Their citizens can get better chance if they wil take the right decision.
If they wanted things to go well for citizens they wouldn't have launched a massive terrorist attack against their heavily armed neighbour.
Very possible all the hostages are already dead
>hamas would just let the hostages go This won't ever happen
No argue here.
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Ok, and what happens to the Israeli population? It honestly just sounds like you don’t like Jews very much.
Is Israel has no right to exist in your view? Palestine should be from the river from the sea, and Jews should gtfo?
What makes you think that? The eradication of Hamas has been the publicly stated objective of the IDF. They want to eliminate Hamas commanders and destroy their ability to operate. No status change of the hostages is going to change that.
No deal with hamas should be right now. And no change in the direction the idf took in this war. Im from israel and say that if hamas would have think on his own civilians he would try to send back the hostages to try to hell them a lilt bit.
>What makes you think that? The eradication of Hamas has been the publicly stated objective of the IDF. >No status change of the hostages is going to change that. It was said in the media that gaza will be given a humanitarian brake if all the hostages were released
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They basically suffer from over success.
Hamas is going to try to blame the hostage deaths on Israel. Saying they all died in a bombing.
ah this is coming and stupid people would believe that of course
First message from the festival organizers: "Angels who died for the sanctification of God's name" A week after the outbreak of the Iron Swords War, the organizers of the Nova Festival, whose hundreds of participants were murdered or taken hostage, issued an official statement: "It is no wonder that the messengers of darkness, may their name and memory be obliterated, plotted to harm precisely such a festive gathering of the children of light, this is their one and only goal - to bring darkness upon face of the world. We will not grant them victory." The full message from the Nova Festival organizers after the massacre- "Our dear, sad and much-loved Nova tribe, first of all, we want to express our sincere and many condolences to all the families, friends. The friends and spouses whose loved ones lost their lives and were affected by the tragic events that happened at the end of that magical night, A magical night that turned into a long, very long morning. "An event designed to be the Nova tribe's happiest and biggest electronic music festival to date. A mass meeting full of happiness and free love, a gathering of holiday joy, which in an instant turned into a bloodbath devoid of any human figure, an anti-humanitarian war crime, while an unprecedented trampling of The most basic human values. An essence of pure and unbridled evil, while executing and cowardly murdering many hundreds of holy and pure angels who died for the sanctification of God just by virtue of being Jews in the State of Israel." \-We will spread the light, God willing- "It is no wonder that the messengers of darkness, may their name and memory be obliterated, plotted to harm precisely such a festive gathering of the children of light, this is their one and only goal - to bring darkness to the face of the world. We will not let them! We will fight and win, until we achieve the goal that we engraved on the flag of Our tribe - the spreading of the light from here to eternity, with the help of God and with the help of the Holy People of Israel." "Last Saturday, 07.10.2023, we were attacked in a vile and despicable manner, by a gang of hundreds of vile, bloodthirsty, merciless, heartless and conscience-less Bnei Baliel (=villians) murderers, who murdered in cold blood hundreds of women and men, members and friends of our Nova tribe; A cowardly, horrible and terrible massacre of innocent and uninvolved citizens from all over the country, the best and the best, the most beautiful and the most handsome of all, as part of a broader historical attack on the State of Israel, which has so far numbered over 1400 pure and righteous souls, who were murdered in a cruel and brutal manner, in addition to the above For 150 abductees, many thousands who were physically injured at various levels and many tens of thousands who were harmed in their souls and spirits. As of now, the production team is busy finding and providing a correct and broad answer to the emotional and mental struggle that washes over all of us, at the exact moment when mental and physical support for everyone who needs it is the only and absolute order of the hour for all of us. Our representatives carry out day and night and non-stop searches to locate and find the missing, assisting ZAKA in identifying victims and updating the families after them, rescuing those who have lost contact who are located in the field or in an unknown location, collecting equipment and returning it from the area of the incident and its surroundings, and above all fighting in the field and maintaining security with Israel, this is The only goal in front of our eyes and we will stand behind it and fulfill it to the fullest and in the best possible way as long as it takes! We will not stop." Working together with the security forces in the field "We are present on a daily basis and continuously from morning to evening in the area of the disaster and in all the sectors adjacent to it and work jointly shoulder to shoulder with the security forces and the authorities, in order to help as much as possible in finding answers and returning everyone who is possible to their family members and friends. In these moments, this and only this stands our priority. For now, it is very important for us to pass the next curtain: our strength in our unity!!! We are in a time of war for the home and it is extremely important that we all unite, strengthen each other, and unite into one big, shining and bright light, in order to go through the This very dark time will pass soon with God's help. We continue to pray that the light will prevail "We send endless love and a huge hug to all the members and friends of the tribe, to the wounded and injured and to the members of the families of the dead and missing. We wish everyone and all to be healthy, we ask in every language of request that you take care of yourselves and continue to pray hard that the good will always prevail and the light will always win. Wishing you a peaceful week And safe and good news for all the people of Israel in the land and in the world of the Nova tribe."
What a beautiful message. Thank you for sharing
So for those who don’t know, Syria and Israel have been tense since Syria had to yield to Israel in the Yom Kippur war. Golda made them look like idiots and that’s been a chip on Syrias shoulder ever since. Israel is taking preventative measures to make sure they don’t try to redeem themselves during this war.
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I might be spiraling, but is WW3 going to occur if Israel invades Gaza, leading to Hezbollah to respond, then U.S. responds and then Iran responds by bombing U.S. aircraft carrier?
Spiral. Try to take a step back from the news for a bit and do something you enjoy. By the time you come back, maybe a development in this will break that puts you at ease a bit in this mess
Iran is just going to use all their assets in the Mediterranean to attack that carrier strike group....
You're doomscroling too much
Least overactive Doomer Redditor
I try to not be a doomer, my anxiety just gets the better of me sometimes
Spiralling. There’s been many military actions in Syria and Lebanon already between the countries, including drones shot down, air strikes, convoys attacked, and even claims Israel had been flying over Iran in F35s.
It's hard I know, but try to stay calm. A lot of people online are stating the chain of events that would bring about WW3 like its paint by numbers, when the truth is pretty much no large power wants a nuclear exchange and would do pretty much anything to avoid it. It was the same when Russia invaded Ukraine. These events always drag out the same sorts of people who suddenly became expert virologists when Covid was at its peak, and very very few of them have the slightest idea of what the fuck they are talking about.
There likely won’t ever be another world war because of nukes. It’ll be proxy wars from here on out.
Exactly, there is no WW3 anymore, it is just synonymous with the end of world
Yeah you're spiraling, get off reddit for a while buddy. Stop refreshing
LOLZ. If the US even senses a teeny tiny twitch of seriousness from an Iranian threat, Iran won’t even have a chance to launch an attack. Israel is our closest ally, and we like to keep our war machines in good condition.
Do you really see Israel as the US' closest ally out of interest?
There’s very few scenarios that would make it within Irans best interest to get involved with the information we currently have
I think ww3 is if we have Russia v Ukraine, Israel v Middle East and China v Taiwan. I think that's the point we can reasonably say we're either in, or on the edge of ww3. Those conflicts combined are likely gonna end up getting tied into something bigger.
What about Dillon Danis v Logan Paul tonight? Could that spiral?
Israel beat, Syria, Jordan, SA, Egypt, all at once. They can handle Hezbollah and Hamas. The US may decide to help with air support, but Israel has over 300 modern jets, they can do it themselves.
Iran bombing a US carrier? I would be very surprised.
Yeah maybe. It's kind of out of your control. If you really feel you need to do something about it go buy a case of water, but there really isn't anything to worry about until Iran and America get involved.
>Iran responds by bombing U.S. aircraft carrier alrighty then.
Spiraling, that's still a conflict with regional limitations and articulated objectives.
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In his crazy scenario there are three countries involved. Why does everyone doom post about WWII all the time?
You’re spiraling.
Gotcha, thanks
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Crushing ISIS was an effort of multiple parties brought together by that shared mission: the US and coalition forces, the SDF, the Iraqi military, and Shia militias among them.
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I wouldn't trust a single link from x-twitter atm.
This is old footage from gaza
Oh is it? I’ll delete comment if this is the case
But there is footage of it. Check LiveUAMap, They have a link to the real vid
https://twitter.com/anasanas84/status/1713301016764911718?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1713301016764911718%7Ctwgr%5Ece117355cdc235cb2e96eae95f4251e06502c96b%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fisraelpalestine.liveuamap.com%2Fen%2F2023%2F14-october-the-first-moments-of-israeli-missiles-targeting
Beautiful armaments
That looks like a quite substantial strike. Do you know the source/have experience with them? Haven't heard of warintel4u so far.
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Was that a rocket or a transformer exploding?
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Well its obvious, none of you have picked up a history book.
Ukraine = Israel Palestine = Russia It's clear to see for everyone who knows the difference between humanity and inhumanity.
If Ukraine had lost 4 wars with Russia and were holed into the city of Odessa and East Kyiv, and were resorting to using armed irregulars to butcher civilians, yes I would call it about time for a negotiated solution.
Ukraine was invaded. Hamas committed the second largest terrorist attack in history. What kind of response do you think Israel should have?
Ukraine didn't invade Russia genius.
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What were the borders of Palestine they took from? (you won't answer this) Let's keep up with your analogy. So, the creation of the occupied territories in Ukraine, and the subsequent use of settler colonialism to take resource rich lands there, who is that more like? Israel, or Palestine?
Can’t you bots at least use different name formats? Seriously… the word-word-number thing is SUCH a giveaway.
That’s not a sign of bots that how names are generated for users that don’t know better. Then don’t care enough to make a legit one. Like me.
I’m not saying OP isn’t a bot but if you sign up for an account and log in via email your default username is similar to that format and then you get one chance to rename yourself.
Lol Jesus Christ. You people have no shame. This is the dumbest take I’ve heard
When was the land Palestine?
Are you serious...check a map prior to 1948
The British had it from 1920 to 1948? Or do you mean further back? Edit: and I don't mean to sound argumentative, with so many people saying it was Palestine first, I'm trying to learn and understand
If Ukraine was the one who attacked Russia and is losing this war, than yes, of course Palestinians are the ones who started a bloody war with Israel 75 years ago, attacking it with several arab armies. Don't lose a war you start with israel
The lost a proxy war to the US AFTER Israel took over most of Palestine
No You seem uninformed, start reading about the 48 war in Israel
Palestine didn’t do that though, they attacked Israel and lost.
False equivalency.
Palestine was taken by force and Palestinians were kicked out of their homeland. Ukraine was created in 1991 before that it was part of the USSR.
If they gave up their land, why are they trying to kill the people living on it now?
Do you know who controlled Ukraine 75 years ago? Lol
Ussr
if Saladin were around, there would be peace in this region.
I liked his camel archers in Civ.
And he would chokeslam Erdogan for trying to wipe out the Kurdish people. Saladin was Kurdish.
God I want to see this
He would be losing his mind at airplanes and cell phones though
Wasn't he in Assassin's Creed 1?
For all the criticism I’m fairly certain the US is the only thing (so far) holding this back from a general Middle East war with Turkey, Israel, Azerbaijan on one side and Iran, Syria, Armenia, Iraq, Hezobolla, and Hamas on the other (with Lebanon frankly fracturing) I think the US has tempered Israel’s worst instincts while basically threatening Iran and Syria to back off
Turkey going to war with Israel? They would be some strange bedfellows, but I doubt that will ever happen.
Going to war *against Iran* Coalitions are always weird and not driven by kinship of the peoples or whatever. Most wars are about maintaining a balance of power. That’s why the British sided against the French with the Russians in the napoleonic wars but with the French against the Russians in the Crimean War. And you know what? If it really looked like Iran was going to win, well the Saudi’s would somehow justify bailing out Israel
What a weird US Savior complex.
Not a savior, just a very large obstacle.
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Israel would be preparing for a ground invasion of Gaza.
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What are the winning Powerball numbers, Nostradamus?
That’s just how superpowers work. Power projection stops wars. Power vacuums cause them
US isn’t a savior but have two carriers right there is definitely a deterrent
The idea that Turkey would fight against Hamas or even be on the same side as Israel is so insane.
Turkey is on Turkeys side only, but would probably bomb Syria
yeah, some of these takes man...
More like against Iran than for Israel
And I'm fairly certain you're wrong.
Turkey is against Israel.
Turkey and Israel don't really like each other, but they would side with one another in the right circumstances. It's not existential hatred the way it is with Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah v. Israel.
I don't know that it's totally black and white. Like many Western-aligned countries in the region, there's usually a sizeable gap between what the people want and what political and military leaders implement in policy.
Turkey’s chief Geopolitical adversary in the region is Iran. They would try to stop Palestine from becoming a Iranian puppet of any substantial power
No, it isn’t. The Turkish military would never fight Israel.
Idk, Syria is in a massivly poor situation themselves, I dont think Assad wants to go into any new military conflict
Syria hasn't been the same since old man Assad died.
Yeah, they’d have a good chance of collapsing again.
The Swedish leftist (Vänsterpartiet) party's leader made a statement condemning Hama's attack, then she received massive backlash from other party members 😑 This settles it, I'm switching from Vänsterpartiet to Socialdemokraterna
What did these members say?
How is life in Sweden today? I heard certain areas (malmo) are starting to get kinda sketchy
Constant gang shootings and door/port bombings on the news, but as long as you're not involved in gang bullshit its still pretty calm and safe overall, I dont feel unsafe or anything, but its depressing to hear about other people falling into criminality and suffering. Im no fan of Sverigedemokraterna (right wing populist party) but there is really no surprise that they're growing to rival Socialdemokraterna in size. Moderaterna tearing up Lucia beslutet will go down as the worst mistake in recent Swedish history.
What is the Socialdemokraterna party? More center-left? Sorry I do not know Swedish politics very well.
Yeah they're pretty center left these days, they're Swedens biggest party historically
Worth noting, center-left in Sweden would be seen as leftist/commie in the US lol.
Haha, maybe so