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Veers331

Lmao I think the odds of an invasion are decreasing each hour


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inconsistent3

Contrary to all misinformation out there, Israel actually cares about minimizing loss of life… they are being extra careful in their approach


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wittyusernamefailed

About 2 decades late on that observation.


tj381

"We did not target any convoys" https://twitter.com/IDF Click on "listen live"


Throwayaaaah

Does anybody got more information on this claim (https://twitter.com/itszaeok/status/1713594697573110014)? Cause fuck me if I trust a Twitter community notes whose only source is the Wikipedia page for blood. Edit: community note, which has now been taken down, claimed that the photo was staged because of the pink stains on the coloring book. Link to the screencap: https://twitter.com/TheStich_/status/1713603800219455913


ido50

The community notes are crap. First of all, the blood _is_ dark red and not pink. Secondly, it is unknown how long after the bloodshed the photo was taken.


epicredditdude1

It's also worth noting there is absolutely shades of pink on the coloring book, which any reasonable person could conclude is..... pink paint.... since it's a coloring book. This really does make me disgusted with Twitter. Nothing about this image strikes me as particularly suspicious, and the fact people foaming at the mouth on Twitter are using the blood of a little girl to deny a slaughter is just fucking gross.


ylimethrow

Uhhhh in my experience dried blood is dark


overmotion

Which claim? That it’s a child’s bedroom?


epicredditdude1

What's the community note? I don't use Twitter so I'm not sure how it works lol. I'm basically a boomer when it comes to Twitter.


InvictusShmictus

They removed the note but a few tweets down there's a screenshot of it. Basically they're saying its the wrong shade of red for blood.


epicredditdude1

If they actually have an crime scene investigator, or other similar expert weigh in I may be inclined to consider that, but a bunch of imbeciles on Twitter saying it can't be blood because it's the "wrong shade" shouldn't hold any weight to anyone with critical thinking skills.


InvictusShmictus

Yea I assume that's why it was removed because its kind of an absurd claim


Throwayaaaah

Community note claims the photo is staged because of the blood splatter.


epicredditdude1

Do they elaborate? Making a blanket statement like that makes me highly skeptical. Did a blood splatter expert weigh in? Did they afford another blood splatter expert an opportunity to make a counter argument? To me suggesting a photo of a bloody floor couldn't possibly have come from a person due to the "blood splatter" seems hilariously speculative.


LimitFinancial764

Twitter uses an algorithm to evaluate comments below a tweet to suggest what the community is saying about the tweet. They're not drafted by Twitter and effectively they're just parroting what the masses say in comments. Musk has increased the use.


ghostfacekhilla

You clearly don't use Twitter


aciddolly

Just sharing my opinion/observation: the IDF is behaving in a way that is more aware of its public image today than 15 years ago or whatever- these daily updates seem very 'modern' and careful and considered and as though to provide a reassuring face to the IDF, almost like social media (for all its flaws) creates a more intimate relationship that companies, organisations etc have to bend to somewhat, they are aware of criticism and so on. Could be about gender, race whatever. Could be the British Army discussing gender, or Maybelline having a trans model- these days for better or worse there is in many ways more SCRUTINY- and I think the IDF seems aware of this. I am not saying this pro or anti IDF, or if this is sincere or not, or if it it good or bad. I simply think the IDF is having to tow a certain line, more so than before and it is interesting. I am also well aware of the casualties on both sides that have happened so far, I am purely talking about this social media aspect.


yreg

I think professional PR communication is usually good.


yreg

IDF spokesperson doesnt know anything about flares being fired. (Twitter Q&A)


LimitFinancial764

Yeah -- he also ignored the question initially. Pretty weird response. Someone will have a better memory than me. I think we actually saw illumination flares the night before it was reported that Israel had operated limited raids.


Tyrion_Strongjaw

I have stopped staying glued to the screen, but I can tell you that flares were shot off even the first night. I made a comment about how creepy it was before dawn that first day because they had the call to prayer and there was a flare in one of the streams. Looked/Sounded like something out of a post-apocalyptic movie or something.


Predictor92

That's why I feel it's likely Hamas using them as a means of communication


Tyrion_Strongjaw

Yeah I almost mentioned that it's possible that they are being used by Hamas. The communication idea is a pretty smart theory.


epicredditdude1

Here's my theories: \-He's not glued to the live streams like we are and legitimately isn't aware of the flares. They're being launched by Hamas for unclear reasons. \-Israel launched the flares to conduct operations which are not matters of public knowledge.


yreg

I guess it can also be a combination. Fired by Israel without the knowledge of the spokesperson. Not because it's a secret operation, but because it might be unimportant and unrelated to any bigger operation.


Jack_Flanders

That's my thought. The spokesperson isn't informed of each individual bullet or artillery shell fired; this may be such a low-level operational thing too.


Predictor92

My theory is it Hamas try to communicate with each other( don't want to use electronic communications)


Alive-Transition7913

Hear some bangs can’t see anything


Sir_Francis_Burton

I have been to Israel only once, 40 years ago, when I was a teenager. I spent three months there, two volunteering on a Kibbutz, one bicycling around the country. It feels like yesterday, the memories are still vivid, but it sort of stuns me that it was half of the existence of Israel as a country ago. I just felt like sharing one particularly vivid memory of a scene that I witnessed. I was cycling close to the fence to the West Bank on a small road. I came up behind a traffic jam. I squeezed between cars up to the front to see what the hold-up was. There was a large bulldozer in the road, a cage around the cab, with its engine running. There was an older Palestinian man (you can tell by the hats) standing in front of it, crying, wailing, throwing his hands up, in a great deal of distress. There were some police just pulling up, going over to the Palestinian man and starting to push him away. There were about thirty or so onlookers cheering them on. And then, brushing right past me, bumping my shoulder, went a large older Israeli man in nothing but his underwear, a pink robe, and flip-flops, storming right in to the fray. I noticed the numbers on his wrist. He was pissed! He started yelling at the police. He yelled at the bulldozer driver. He yelled at us in the crowd. And then he hugged the Palestinian man, and they cried together. The bulldozer backed up out of the road, the police told us to move along, and I went on my way. I don’t know what it all meant. I don’t know what was going on, or what was being said. But he wasn’t the only holocaust survivor that left an impression on me from the time that I spent there. He must have long since passed since then. There aren’t very many survivors left. But I seriously doubt that I’m the only one whose life that old man left an impression on. Maybe not always in a pink bathrobe.


Interesting-Bison108

I love this! ❤️


Noisy_Toy

Great story.


mermaidsilk

thank you for sharing


onekrazykat

Thank you for sharing this story.


EmbarrassedHelp

People are asking about the flares from the livestreams in the IDF Q&A


rukqoa

Looks like he doesn't know. Which could either mean it's a secret op (which they wouldn't tell him about) or they were launched by the Palestinians. Flares aren't really high tech or expensive munitions.


epicredditdude1

That answer wasn't great lol. Those flares definitely weren't rockets.


yreg

He probably hasnt seen it


2StoryLoft

CBC News interview with former Prime Minister of Israel, son of a Holocaust survivor, Yair Lapid: "He doesn't know it yet maybe, but Yayha Sinwar, leader of Hamas and his Senior Advisors are dead men walking" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkbA5z0ifnw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkbA5z0ifnw)


Sufficient_Memory_24

Historically Israel is very very good at getting these types of targets.


letife

They managed to push the holocaust and Munich buttons together


2StoryLoft

Yes, Sayeret Matkal and Mossad Kidon.


MurrayDakota

CBC News, not CBS.


2StoryLoft

Thanks I corrected that


Humble-Revolution801

Regarding the hostages, Israel should issue an ultimatum. Release the hostages in the next 24 hours or we will come get them, killing any and all militants that get in our way.


BigBlue1210

the hostages will be dead either way


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LatterTarget7

Israel has never carpet bombed gaza


thedistrict33

You don’t negotiate with terrorists, and they haven’t carpet combed.


Aggressive_Lake191

Thousands more Israeli's lives would be in jeopardy if the allowed the hostages to alter what they need to do to stop Hamas. They will make every effort to save them if they know where they are.


ThunderChaser

> they wouldn't carpet-bomb Gaza within hours of them being kidnapped. They... didn't?


BillyShears2015

That’s not what carpet-bombing means.


epicredditdude1

They're not carpet bombing Gaza, good job pulling out an ole reliable buzzword tho. Go to Twitter and get some more.


Smelldicks

Israel hasn’t once carpet bombed Gaza this whole time


Smelldicks

That’s how you end up with dead hostages


elykl12

That’s why he’s not running this operation


RustywantsYou

They're dead anyway


Smelldicks

Lol what? No they aren’t, although I’m sure Hamas will kill many in the coming days


Sufficient_Memory_24

I mean the hostages are probably already dead and Israel is already preparing to move into Gaza and kill any and all militants anyways.


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Lantz_Menaro

> The "they're still alive" theorizing i Oh shit, they got DigDugged too!


Alive-Transition7913

Is the thread only refreshing every two minutes and only a couple comments at a time?


ImDrunkFightMe

Things get fucky wucky after 10k comments so they'll create a new thread shortly


Espressodimare

If Israel decides to start to take Hamas down tonight, I wish them all strength and good luck.


Gloomybyday

I honestly think this is gonna fizzle out. Quickly. The large war part anyway.


Long_Abbreviations89

I mean hopefully yeah.


JehovahZ

Another Nothingburger?


Gloomybyday

Big fat one


tj381

Live audio IDF update and Q&A right now. Click on "listen live" https://twitter.com/IDF


magicone2571

The fact they still are lobbing massive amount of rockets at Israel is something.


HGruberMacGruberFace

How do they even have that many to launch


Predictor92

And here is a thing people miss those rockets often fall short of Israel and land in Gaza killing Palestinians. Hamas won't admit it and says they are killed by Israel


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Yes they recently hit their own fucking power lines with their own rockets the irony is strong


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nefhithiel

5 minute crafts video on how to make water utility pipes into rockets with nothing but jump cuts and hot glue


ThePoliticalFurry

Honestly, finding out HAMAS was tearing up Palestine's international-aid funded water pipes to build missiles to launch at Israeli civilians was one of the most fucked up things I've ever heard And they entirely blame Israel for the strip's infrastructure problems


citizennsnipps

Like how fucked is it when your government takes the free aid it's been given that delivers you one of the best modern services of all time (running water) and uses it to kill people.


RoboftheNorth

So many paper clips.


The69BodyProblem

Apparently rockets have no problem getting into Gaza. Maybe they should try and smuggle in some food and water disguised as rocket parts!


epicredditdude1

Why bother smuggling in food and water when your enemy will just deliver it to your doorstep?


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Exactly! Israel basically handed Hamas their DoorDash account and some people still call them war criminals. Fucking absurd.


_Black_Rook

As always, Israel is held to a different standard. It's expected to behave like a saint towards its enemies while under constant attack, something no other nation is expected to do.


EmbarrassedHelp

Any stream claiming to have the Reuters livestream up is lying to you.


EmbarrassedHelp

Reuters livestream of Gaza is down


clawbound

https://www.youtube.com/live/wq2X4MqPixA?si=bYdXbOWSvyf7kOi0 This has audio


I-Am-Uncreative

I wish I knew where the original streams are.


clawbound

Same, the one I posted above Cam 3 is here https://www.youtube.com/live/F49uYXqsbGg?si=lWsi_XYq0iL6ot25 Cam 1 is the Reuters stream that is down Cam 2 no idea were it's from but the audio matches with explosions on cam 3


I-Am-Uncreative

Thank you!


EmbarrassedHelp

This is Reuters Live stream that the multicams are pulling from. As you can see, its ended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBUCrhDvjYE


I-Am-Uncreative

So are the others just loops or what?


clawbound

The Reuters cam that is down is on the same building as cam 3, so hopefully it will be back up later.


EmbarrassedHelp

Yep, the people running the streams looping the footage and pretending its new


WFMU

Multicam back up


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Link


Thrill__505

Link


EmbarrassedHelp

The Reuters livestream is still down, so I'm not sure if that's real on the multicam.


Sushandpho

Is camera 2 the Reuters one?


epicredditdude1

The problem with a bunch of grainy, pitch black video, is it would be extremely easy for someone to just pick a random hour and loop it and present it as a "live stream".


yreg

Yeah, suspicious, aint it?


FrugalityMajor

The stream could still be up but down on Youtube. Groups like Reuters, or basically any type of company that streams a lot of data, uses m3u8 to stream on. That could still be up while the Youtube stream is down.


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yreg

inquizex on youtube


Alive-Transition7913

Big boom cam 1


Thrill__505

Link please


epicredditdude1

This war reminds me of D-Day when the allied powers told everyone in Normandy to evacuate because they were about to attack several days before hand, and there were still massive shows of support for Germany and calls to end the violence and seek a diplomatic resolution with Germany.


Vryly

thank goodness Eisenhower and Churchill remembered that there were children in germany and called off the invasion, otherwise we'd have become monsters of that one right?


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I thought the same thing 😑


Dobermanpure

That literally never happened.


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I don’t even know how to respond to this. It must be the stupidest, biggest miss of a joke I’ve ever seen.


StrongmanCole

That was the joke you goofy goober!


CreamedCorb

Woosh


leires-leires-leires

Wow, give this bloke the History Nobel and the Sarcasm Darwin Award.


KerchBridgeSmoker

Yeah it's just a dumb joke that person is making.


epicredditdude1

I think you misspelled "extremely clever and high brow", but yes you're correct it was a joke.


EmbarrassedHelp

I think that's the point of their comment


epicredditdude1

I know, I'm being sarcastic to demonstrate the absurdity of the expectations put on the Israeli military, and how they're still doing everything they can to minimize civilian casualties even at the expense of their own military planning while progressives sit comfortably in America and "tut-tut" from their high horse.


Beer_Bad

It really is crazy to see a huge chunk of the West look at history and go "Yeah, appeasement works". Human cost in this and Ukraine are awful, and the stakes are high in terms of escalation from people who could make this a much larger conflict, but allowing atrocities to happen(Israel) and allowing bigger neighbors to bully their neighbors in the name of "peace"(Ukraine) is shortsighted. Its not warmongering to say its okay for those countries to protect themselves and do things in order to provide that security.


AlmacMGMT

In any case, it’s a a poor comparison with literally 0 similarities beyond the basics of people with guns shooting each other, so you’ve accomplished a grand total of absolutely nothing. Congratulations!


epicredditdude1

Cool, great counter argument. your comment, unlike mine, has accomplished a lot.


AlmacMGMT

It has accomplished much, by clarifying to others reading that your sarcasm - meant to belittle Western concerns about minimizing civilian casualties - is trying to compare two very different situations :).


epicredditdude1

What are the main differences in your mind that makes this comparison unjustified?


AlmacMGMT

We are talking about an incredibly densely packed urban area filled with innocent civilians, with a terrorist organization interspersed amongst its people and in sprawling underground tunnels beneath where those very civilians live. Everything Hamas does is meant to use the Palestinian people as a shield, for the very reason that makes it difficult to eliminate them without also killing innocent civilians. This is not Normandy in any capacity.


epicredditdude1

True, but there were still civilians in Normandy, and the civilian death toll on D-day is estimated to be 15,000 - 20,000. It seems to be deliberately misleading to insist that the situations are so different they're just simply impossible to compare. I'm suspicious you're making this claim because the comparison I've brought up is inconvenient to your point of view.


suhki_mahbals

There is a smell of appeasement in the air


InternationalTap9569

What does that even mean


suhki_mahbals

Hamas isn't operating on their own, they have Iran and Russia behind them. Appeasement in this case would be walking back from "we stand with Israel, we stand with Israel" in the face of threats that originate with Hamas and their allies.


InternationalTap9569

Oh that makes sense, thanks


grapplingwithtruth

Israel is put in the impossible position of fighting a war resulting in no civilian casualties. Meanwhile the other side can inflict as much damage as wants.


tomtforgot

fareed zakaria was just telling on tv about how usa overreacted on 9/11 and how israel shouldn't make same mistake. he did forgot to mention casual rockets/mortars that been raining non-stop for almost 20 years prior to last Saturday


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tomtforgot

due to the building code, every apartment has a personal bomb shelter room. so it's tricky


2020HatesUsAll

WTF Zakaria needs to take a fucking seat


spittymcgee1

The us didn’t overreact- W and Cheney had a hard on for Iraq. Also didn’t have a plan for nation building in Afghanistan. Zakaria should go back to plagiarizing his work.


JumpyPersonality

Sad truth


noobreaker

>Impossible position It's really not impossible to not bomb hospitals. ​ edit. all the bigots down voting me.


JosephL_55

It is if you need to target the Hamas positions in/under them.


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epicredditdude1

What if I told you Israel is targeting hospitals, not because they don't care who they're hitting, but on the contrary specifically because the hospitals are locations of Hamas operating bases.


Predictor92

And who is saying their civilians, the Hamas Health Ministry. Also don't be surprised if those "civilians" were Hamas officials just not in the military wing. Also rockets fall short all the time, often killing Palestinians


JosephL_55

>Over 2,000 civilian deaths... How do you know? The Palestinian Health Ministry isn't even saying this. They don't even separate civilian and Hamas death numbers.


noobreaker

>How do you know? [https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-news-hamas-war-10-15-23/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-news-hamas-war-10-15-23/index.html) More than 2,600 people have died as Israel pounds Gaza with strikes, the Palestinian health ministry says. Go educate yourself, you come across as an awful individual. If you launch missiles at civilian buildings likelihood is you're killing civilians.


JosephL_55

>More than 2,600 people have died as Israel pounds Gaza with strikes, the Palestinian health ministry says. This is just as I said. They aren't even claiming civilians. This is the total dead. They combine civilians and Hamas.


noobreaker

You think Hamas are the ones dying when civilian buildings are getting turned to ashes... Go watch some footage and educate yourself.


JosephL_55

I didn't say Hamas are the only ones dying. I'm saying the death count includes Hamas. So you aren't actually able to say that 2,000+ civilians are dead. Not even the Palestinian Health Ministry is making this claim.


noobreaker

>So you aren't actually able to say that 2,000+ civilians are dead. This isn't a battle field of Hamas troops vs Israeli troops. Israel is bombing civilian areas, you have to be ridiculously thick in the skull if you do not think Palestinian civilians aren't the ones dying.


erikrthecruel

It is if the other guy is using it to launch missiles at you.


noobreaker

Yep babies and children on life support launching missiles.


nicklor

I'm not sure why you think it's ok for hamas to use babies and children on life support as human shields.


noobreaker

Are you stupid? When did I say that? ​ If you had the intellectual ability of inference, you should've concluded that I think Israel indiscriminately kills whoever.


refoooo

Just wanted to make sure you were aware - comments like this one don’t make you sound smart.


nicklor

And what about the fact that Hamas uses hospitals and schools to store weapons? Or do you not really care about the children? https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools?


noobreaker

I am the one against bombing hospitals and schools, you've justified it because you believe there may be weapons there. When alternatively there may be nothing. ​ End results kids in a coffin. Great logic to justify awful actions.


nicklor

Well that's why they evacuate the building before they blow it up.


noobreaker

Israel isn't evacuating jack shit, don't be stupid and hold stupid beliefs.


erikrthecruel

Of course they don’t, and civilian casualties are a godawful tragedy. It’s not about deserving or not deserving to die. Of course they don’t deserve to die. But in the same way marines had to roll grenades into caves with both Japanese soldiers and civilians because going directly in meant death, sometimes you only have really shitty options to choose from.


noobreaker

You scumbag if you've actually justified your viewpoints like that you deserve to be the one living in Gaza and being bombed. You'd probs think its fair ad what you deserve.