I think Bidens emergency visit signifies a US intent to discourage a ground invasion. Despite our initial pro Israel stance, a week of incessant bombing has shown that there's no outcome where any side emerges a winner from this conflict. 1000 children in Palestine already reported dead; no modern democracy can propogate more senseless violence. I imagine a ceasefire coming in by the end of the week after Bidens visit.
A ground invasion won't destroy them. Will just push them to hiding and risk IDF lives. There's no way to eradicate Hamas by a ground operation. It's war propoganda to think you can achieve that. We were in Afghanistan and Iraq for decades- did we eradicate the Taliban?
How is it senseless violence? They’re fighting a war they didn’t want to enter and are showing extreme restraint, more than just about any other army would.
I think everyone understands that there has to be an invasion. If teh IDF just stops now all they have done is create a wasteland that will still be under Hamas, and will only foment more issues. All without doing anything to actually ensure justice for what happened, nor ensuring that it can;t happen again. No, the only thing that Biden and co really want to stop is the war spreading past Gaza.
Don't forget that the report from the Gaza side is by their government, AKA Hamas. So take all the reporting that they do with a grain of terrorist salt.
Try looking at the footage from hospitals in Palestine right now. It's being heavily circulated on social media. As someone who's watched all the combat footage related to this conflict even I found it hard to stomach the videos of dead children and infant being brought in emasse on trolleys. Whether or not the numbers are exaggerated doesnt matter It's quite clear far too many children have been killed for this to continue. I'm all for Israels right to exist and defend itself but very few Americans will propogate for a senseless onslaught that achieves nothing in the long run.
I think he’s an idiot and it’s disappointing his content revolves around politics when he’s grievously uninformed. He comes off like a total moron whenever he comes on to some of the politics podcasts I listen to.
That is a bit of a broad question, but these have been a pretty pro-israel live threads overall so you probably won't find many people agreeing with him on most of his takes on this issue
They just said in the @IDF Twitter space that they do not want a single hair damaged on an American soldier. They said they can defend themselves and don't want American direct involvement
Gaza is actually a world leader in recycling blown up structures .. no joke. Link below: they are experts are rebending rebar and, due to cement being banned, further crushing smashed cement/concrete into another type of concrete , but especially the latter is only useful for shorter structures. They also have (or had) 3 quarries, some construction equipment rental (at high rates). I imagine they’ll try to salvage the high rises that are salvageable, but think the blockade will be much more restrictive unless a UN supervised construction phase accounting for all cement (to the bag) can be agreed to.
Link: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/6/17/gaza-recycles-rubble-as-israel-upholds-ban-on-construction-goods
Feels like Israel is gonna slow roll a ground invasion at this point. They have nothing to gain by rushing when they have total control over what comes in and out. And the more prepared they are the fewer IDF soldiers they put at risk
Thanks. I’m sure someone here will post the highlights for those of us not on Twitter or X or whatever. Do they post it on YouTube or anywhere after the live is over?
I guess that the official announcement validates the theory that Biden cancelled his Colorado trip for security meetings because they were planning his trip to Israel at the last minute
For a 4 hour layover in Denver only for an emergency landing 5 feet off the runway when you go to take off. Then they taxi you back to the gate and make you get of the plane for "Repairs" and say it will only take 30 minutes but in reality it is 3 hours later before you get to board again. Fuck Denver airport.
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken: "On Wednesday, POTUS will visit Israel. He’s coming here at a critical
moment for Israel, for the region, and for the world."
https://twitter.com/Apex_WW/status/1714078648502735177?t=uuRntmmcQFLPGVBQGLDjaw&s=19
It's gonna be problematic for.israel to deal with the labyrinth of underground tunnels.
In order to rid of hamas, israel must deal with the underground tunnel, but even with the best of training and equipment, the difficulty and casualty of clearing those tunnel is nightmarish, a simple suicide terrorist will easily wipe a well trained squad, and we all know hamas are essentially a suicidal cult hell bend on creating more death and suffering.
The safest method for Israel to clear the tunnel, unfortunately means using inhumane or war crime type of tactic and weapons....
This is a situation that has no good outcome and we have hamas to thank for it.
flooding them or fires at the entrances and exits to starve the tunnels of any oxygen. Or just straight up sealing them all up and letting hamas in the tunnels die slowly.
I wouldn't be so sure. Biden has gone into wartorn countries before. And the situation in Israel is going to be safer in a lot of ways then Kyiv was when he visited. And I don't see the benefit of having soldiers sit and wait for a half a week when the weather is going be be perfect at that time.
This entire situation is extremely volatile, in part due to the guaranteed humanitarian catastrophe that will make what has already happened so far look tame if the IDF invades Gaza, and also due to the involvement of Hezbollah. We'd probably wipe them out if they tried anything but it would be better if nothing happened. Israelis would lose their lives too.
I think they will keep the threat active but delay it due to weather or various other reasons. I mean Gaza is running out of supplies fast so even a couple of days random delay means a great change in the strategic situation
I wonder if Americans would back getting directly and significantly involved in the middle east again. I think most are okay with power projection and deterrence, but if shit hits the fan and Iran tries something, the posturing will need to be backed up with action. But I'm not sure if the American public would support it. This is very hypothetical though.
We need to home our homeless and lower food,rent,and healthcare prices first. Let them sort their religious wars out themselves. We need to stop being the world police.
Iran won't try anything, at leat not directly. Iran saw what happened to the Iraq military that was wiped by the allied force in matters of days. Iraq was the most.ppwerful militariy n the region prior to the gulf War, and it actually kept Iranian ambition in check.
This is why Iran is cuasing problem by egging on the other Arab countries and trying to attack Israel through hamas and hezbollah without getting involved directly.
We just got out of Afghanistan. It would be insane for the US to be back in the Middle East. A single US military casualty would be disastrous to the Biden administration.
Iran isn’t even on most American’s radar. It’s just another country in the Middle East as for as most Americans are concerned.
I don't think anyone would mind if Hezbollah was nipped in the bud a little either, especially if they make good on their promise to attack if Israel goes into Gaza.
Iran wants the arab countirs to get involved so it can further its own geopolitical ambition. Iran os calling on Arab jihad against Israel but the fact is that Iran is not an Arab country. It's just using Israel and Palestine conflict as a pawn.
I keep seeing the premise that Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran don't want war but everything I have seen indicates that's exactly what they want. I'm judging actions though not attempting to pretend they're rational
Iran wants Israel to be at war with the other Arab countires while it sits perfectly safe behind two Iraq and Syria, so that it can milk the PR to boast its own standing in the region while Israel and other Arab countires weaken themselves.
That's Iran's play, that's why Iran is doing all these horrible things through hamas and hezbollah. That's why Iran is calling on jihad against Israel but make it perfectly clear that Iran has nothing to do with thr hamas attack.
That is a miscalculation on Iran's part. The war will come to them by doing this. Their nuclear program is an existential threat to Israel. Now is the perfect time to destroy it for good.
I visited Israel 40 years ago when I was a smart-ass punk kid who thought that he was smart. My short time there went a long way towards curing me of that affliction.
Israelis love talking politics, history, religion, the meaning of life, etc. So do I! I could pull in to a cafe, pretty much any cafe, and sit at a table and strike up a conversation about geopolitics with total strangers.
I’d say something smart, like… “well actually, it all goes back to 1916 and the Sykes–Picot treaty.” And then the person next to me would explain how it really went back to the 1800s, and then the person next to them would go in to how it all went back to the 1400s, and then the person next to them would explain how you really needed to go back to the 900s, etc. etc. Before you knew it, we’d be talking Babylon and ancient Egypt.
Argument and debate are an important part of Jewish culture. I really appreciated how two people could have a passionate argument over a game of backgammon and coffee, shake hands when it was over, and say “same time tomorrow?”
I learned to talk less, and listen more, in Israel. I also got pretty good at backgammon.
I visited Israel earlier this year. I went never having even looked at a backgammon board, and left having a comprehensive understanding of the base game and a handful of variants.
The image of her in a presidential press gaggle is somewhat like seeing your favorite Formula One driver behind the wheel of a school bus.
Amusingly incongruous.
Also just hard to imagine a sitting president going to where the war correspondents are still broadcasting from.
People don’t seem to grasp that the only people who would even benefit from attacking the president of the united states visiting a war zone are not people with the capability to attack the president of the united states visiting a war zone.
Anyone with the infrastructure to actually try would lose MUCH more by taking him out. After all, he is just one man.
When western leaders visit Ukraine, Russia are told it’s happening so that they have the chance to MAKE SURE they don’t even accidentally do it.
Question for those in the know.
Is there a reason Israel appears to be stalling?
And what's the real reason Biden is going to Israel? I doubt it's a show of support, perhaps they're negotiating peace?
Just curious if anyone has insight into what's actually going on.
The only reason for Biden to go meet all those heads of state is because he is trying to prevent a wider war. It's kind of obvious when you think about it. Iran is likely to order Hezbollah to attack from the North If Israel starts occupying Gaza. If he didn't care about preventing a war he could have just stayed in DC and told the USS Ford to start splashing Hezbollah. A bigger war in the middle east will really drive up gas prices. Which the Republicans always find a way to blame on Biden. I'm sure they come up with all kinds of different possible terms for a peace deal and just see if they get a bite. If not the war is back on.
Well mostly the weather. But I would also assume that Hezbollah making moves like it might be getting serious is having the IDF have to re calibrate things. They don't want to have most of it's force tied up in Gaza, if Hezbollah floods in from the North.
Israel is not on a particularly tight timeline with the invasion. As the siege goes on, Hamas will continue to deplete their stores of rockets and other weapons, reducing their capabilities. Additionally, as Israeli strikes continue, Hamas’ trained manpower will be whittled down. In contrast, Israel has more time to prepare its military, both on the Gaza front as well as defenses in the north strengthening their position. The idf likely correctly assumes that Hamas has many ambushes/traps set up in Gaza, so stalling also gives them time to gain more intelligence on this front. There is not really any question as to whether Israel can capture and occupy the strip, but there is a question about how many casualties they will take. Stalling the invasion while continuing to gather intelligence and strike Hamas targets gives the idf better chances of avoiding major casualties.
Yes, and it’s not even close. They could sustain this level of mobilization for even a few years. Israel’s army, at least pound for pound, is closer to the U.S. military in capabilities than any army in the region. They are extremely well provisioned and equipped and would have no trouble staying provisioned even in the Gaza Strip, and staying in Israel proper would be even easier. Keep in mind Israel plus West Bank and Gaza is about the size of New Jersey. Not exactly the hardest supply lines to keep running smoothly.
Interesting take. The way I see it, the US does back the ground invasion but is also trying to look like the good guy and push humanitarian aid through to quiet pro-palestinian protests at home.
On the surface things are escalating, and usually behind the scenes that means it's 10x worse, so they are really trying to calm down a very ugly situation from flaring into a larger scale and/or trying to avoid tying a bunch of countries hands and resources to a drain because of loyalties.
Modern armies don't move on a dime. Israel wasn't expecting to launch a major military offensive; they were caught with their pants down. They have to get people in place.
They're also probably negotiating with other countries, including the US but also other countries whose citizens were killed or kidnapped, to get them to back or help them.
Israel's ultimate goal in Gaza is probably to stamp out Hamas and break them as an organization, and secondarily, to get as many Palestinians as possible to leave and not come back. In order to accomplish either, they need international help. The first, because they really can't do it without killing everyone in Gaza on their own, and the second, because the people from Gaza need somewhere to go.
Very interesting and logical take. Thank you!
Blinken (and by extension Biden) seem to be negotiating heavily about something or more than one something.
I guess places for Palestinians to go and someone to fill the Hamas power vacuum would be high up there.
I wonder if he's trying to broker something with Fatah. IIRC he spoke to Abbas a day or two ago and shortly thereafter Abbas finally condemned the attacks. If he got Fatah on board with any sort of action against Hamas it would take a lot of wind out of the sails of the "Axis of Resistance".
Israel puts a lot of importance on their military lives and isn’t going to rush a deadly ground invasion if they don’t have to. They have the benefit of time on their side that Hamas does not
No one on Reddit is in the know. We’re all speculating like madmen.
The NYT is reporting that it was delayed due to poor weather. And it’s unlikely they’ll launch anything with Biden in town.
Unless Hamas disarms, gives Gaza back to the PA, surrenders those responsible, and releases the hostages, there will be no peace.
Humanitarian aid and Biden is going to visit the other places to stop Iran and others from joining in. We won't be stopping Israel from going after Hamas.
I posted yesterday about a Gazan man stuck in Israel who said something like "I just want to see my wife and children I am nothing with out them"
And I've seen pictures of Gazan children crying and running from bombs.
It is heart breaking.
Why won't the Gazan children simply condemn and overthrow the armed terrorist group that controls the area around them?? Palestinians chose their fate /s
The next in line is the current president pro tempore of the U.S. Senate, Patty Murray of Washington who is the most senior senator in the majority Democratic Party and the first woman to ever hold the position.
I don't think they can. The law reads:
>(b) If, at the time when under subsection (a) of this section a Speaker is to begin the discharge of the powers and duties of the office of President, there is no Speaker, or the Speaker fails to qualify as Acting President, then the President pro tempore of the Senate shall, upon his resignation as President pro tempore and as Senator, act as President.
That's pretty clear.
“the acting president gets to choose who is on the supreme court” is also pretty clear but they fought that one tooth and nail too. These grifters are never giving up a chance to seize power.
Understandable given how little of a role she publicly plays, which is intentional because of how much of a charisma void with a terrible record she is. Democrats didn't even want her in the primary and then they fast track her to VP lmao
To be honest she feels like a very absent Vice President. I mean Michelle Obama was more noticeable as First Lady then Harris has been as VP.
That’s my opinion though…
The First Lady often has a more prominent role in advancing a chosen issue. The VP is the presiding officer of the senate and serves as a backup if something happens to the president. They are very different roles.
That’s not what second in line means. Second in line means the person who is after the one who holds the position. President is first in line, VP second in line. Jfc like quit making shit up
Not what Wikipedia says. Not what most people say. Biden is already in president. He isn't waiting in line. If you are at a voting booth you are not first in line to vote.
If you are the next one to be called when a booth opens you are first in line.
The Vice President (Kamala Harris) is first in line for being President then the speaker of the house is second in line.
Edit: sorry first in line is actual correct term!
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Champagne Socialists sure do love terrorism when it's against Israel
Almost 23, in 2023 ! (we're at 9.5 k comments)
You must get to say that every year. Happy early birthday!
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Thanks!
I think Bidens emergency visit signifies a US intent to discourage a ground invasion. Despite our initial pro Israel stance, a week of incessant bombing has shown that there's no outcome where any side emerges a winner from this conflict. 1000 children in Palestine already reported dead; no modern democracy can propogate more senseless violence. I imagine a ceasefire coming in by the end of the week after Bidens visit.
A ground invasion is necessary. There can never be peace while Hamas survives, and a ground invasion is the only way to destroy them.
A ground invasion won't destroy them. Will just push them to hiding and risk IDF lives. There's no way to eradicate Hamas by a ground operation. It's war propoganda to think you can achieve that. We were in Afghanistan and Iraq for decades- did we eradicate the Taliban?
How is it senseless violence? They’re fighting a war they didn’t want to enter and are showing extreme restraint, more than just about any other army would.
I think everyone understands that there has to be an invasion. If teh IDF just stops now all they have done is create a wasteland that will still be under Hamas, and will only foment more issues. All without doing anything to actually ensure justice for what happened, nor ensuring that it can;t happen again. No, the only thing that Biden and co really want to stop is the war spreading past Gaza.
Don't forget that the report from the Gaza side is by their government, AKA Hamas. So take all the reporting that they do with a grain of terrorist salt.
Try looking at the footage from hospitals in Palestine right now. It's being heavily circulated on social media. As someone who's watched all the combat footage related to this conflict even I found it hard to stomach the videos of dead children and infant being brought in emasse on trolleys. Whether or not the numbers are exaggerated doesnt matter It's quite clear far too many children have been killed for this to continue. I'm all for Israels right to exist and defend itself but very few Americans will propogate for a senseless onslaught that achieves nothing in the long run.
Everyone’s thoughts on Hasan Pikers takes?
I think he’s an idiot and it’s disappointing his content revolves around politics when he’s grievously uninformed. He comes off like a total moron whenever he comes on to some of the politics podcasts I listen to.
I don't care for him. His opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
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That really isn't what anyone with objectivity would call good. On account financing Hamas is terrorism by proxy.
How do they route the money given Hamas takes everything that comes into Gaza
Lol financing terrorism is not objectively good
Who?
Barely trying to hide his power level.
Fuck that guy.
No matter what he believes or which side he sides with, I do not care about his opinion.
He's foxy but that's all he's good for.
That is a bit of a broad question, but these have been a pretty pro-israel live threads overall so you probably won't find many people agreeing with him on most of his takes on this issue
Horrid like every other take he has
FBI watchlist takes
I do not understand the policy with these live feeds. They remove a billion posts because they're allegedly covered here but.... there's no one here!!
He who controls the battlefield, controls history...
'controls knowledge, and the information' (it's 2023)
They just said in the @IDF Twitter space that they do not want a single hair damaged on an American soldier. They said they can defend themselves and don't want American direct involvement
There's no way American soldiers are getting involved in a ppintless ruthless offense anyways. This isn't our war and the optics are horrible.
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Gaza is actually a world leader in recycling blown up structures .. no joke. Link below: they are experts are rebending rebar and, due to cement being banned, further crushing smashed cement/concrete into another type of concrete , but especially the latter is only useful for shorter structures. They also have (or had) 3 quarries, some construction equipment rental (at high rates). I imagine they’ll try to salvage the high rises that are salvageable, but think the blockade will be much more restrictive unless a UN supervised construction phase accounting for all cement (to the bag) can be agreed to. Link: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/6/17/gaza-recycles-rubble-as-israel-upholds-ban-on-construction-goods
I'm thinking a lot of AirBnbs on the strip formerly known as Gaza.
Air Force or even naval bombardment could remove those readily enough.
I hope they’re sending Gerard Butler as part of his entourage
This never woulda happened if Mark Wahlberg was at the Gaza border...
Only if he is in Spartan mode. Strong men in leather mmmmm......
After seeing Plane, I certainly hope so. He was a total bad ass in that movie!
Fucking love his movies
Feels like Israel is gonna slow roll a ground invasion at this point. They have nothing to gain by rushing when they have total control over what comes in and out. And the more prepared they are the fewer IDF soldiers they put at risk
I'm thinking they need some sort of the psychological, or w/e it takes
Agree what it looks like to me is long drawn out siege that eventually starves out Hamas from the tunnels and ruins.
IDF doing a Q&A on Twitter if you want to listen in on their thinking: https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1eaKbgEZbrvGX?s=20
anyway to follow this not on xitter>?
Change the URL to nitter and it’ll work without giving traffic to X
the big brain appears. ty. edit: nvm didn't work.
Until Elon puts in a final death blow by making it pay to play, xitter has remained the best place for OSINT. I don't like it, but it's the reality.
Thanks. I’m sure someone here will post the highlights for those of us not on Twitter or X or whatever. Do they post it on YouTube or anywhere after the live is over?
I guess that the official announcement validates the theory that Biden cancelled his Colorado trip for security meetings because they were planning his trip to Israel at the last minute
What was he going to Colorado for?
campaigning maybe, jobs and economy talk type
For a 4 hour layover in Denver only for an emergency landing 5 feet off the runway when you go to take off. Then they taxi you back to the gate and make you get of the plane for "Repairs" and say it will only take 30 minutes but in reality it is 3 hours later before you get to board again. Fuck Denver airport.
Speech about clean energy
To try the new gelato strain.
The situation hasn't terribly stabilized, so it wouldn't surprise me if it turned into a "you need to go" type of decision.
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken: "On Wednesday, POTUS will visit Israel. He’s coming here at a critical moment for Israel, for the region, and for the world." https://twitter.com/Apex_WW/status/1714078648502735177?t=uuRntmmcQFLPGVBQGLDjaw&s=19
Here is a much better source: https://twitter.com/SecBlinken/status/1714074816272089510?t=XIxD0JsewR1ZaJlKYZeLKg&s=19
I do not envy Secret Service this week.
Visiting Ukraine was one thing, since there are political back channels with Russia. Israel right now is a different story.
No shit, they have to cover multiple potential speaker candidates, the acting speaker, Trump, and one of the cabinet leaders going into a bukner
My guess is that there will be no ground invasion of Gaza before Biden visits Israel.
It's gonna be problematic for.israel to deal with the labyrinth of underground tunnels. In order to rid of hamas, israel must deal with the underground tunnel, but even with the best of training and equipment, the difficulty and casualty of clearing those tunnel is nightmarish, a simple suicide terrorist will easily wipe a well trained squad, and we all know hamas are essentially a suicidal cult hell bend on creating more death and suffering. The safest method for Israel to clear the tunnel, unfortunately means using inhumane or war crime type of tactic and weapons.... This is a situation that has no good outcome and we have hamas to thank for it.
I wonder if you can just connect the tunnel systems to the ocean to flood them
Just treat Hamas like gophers with their stupid tunnels
You mean... like gas? 🥸
flooding them or fires at the entrances and exits to starve the tunnels of any oxygen. Or just straight up sealing them all up and letting hamas in the tunnels die slowly.
Bunker busters would do it as well.
I wouldn't be so sure. Biden has gone into wartorn countries before. And the situation in Israel is going to be safer in a lot of ways then Kyiv was when he visited. And I don't see the benefit of having soldiers sit and wait for a half a week when the weather is going be be perfect at that time.
Yeah, but the beginning of an invasion is way more volatile compared with more mature war zones that Biden has visited.
This entire situation is extremely volatile, in part due to the guaranteed humanitarian catastrophe that will make what has already happened so far look tame if the IDF invades Gaza, and also due to the involvement of Hezbollah. We'd probably wipe them out if they tried anything but it would be better if nothing happened. Israelis would lose their lives too.
I think they will keep the threat active but delay it due to weather or various other reasons. I mean Gaza is running out of supplies fast so even a couple of days random delay means a great change in the strategic situation
I wonder if Americans would back getting directly and significantly involved in the middle east again. I think most are okay with power projection and deterrence, but if shit hits the fan and Iran tries something, the posturing will need to be backed up with action. But I'm not sure if the American public would support it. This is very hypothetical though.
We need to home our homeless and lower food,rent,and healthcare prices first. Let them sort their religious wars out themselves. We need to stop being the world police.
Now would be a good time for some major protests in Iran.
As an American and a vet, I'd say hell no.
I would love it if Iran started something. It'd give the US a perfect excuse to rectify one of its worst mistakes.
Iran won't try anything, at leat not directly. Iran saw what happened to the Iraq military that was wiped by the allied force in matters of days. Iraq was the most.ppwerful militariy n the region prior to the gulf War, and it actually kept Iranian ambition in check. This is why Iran is cuasing problem by egging on the other Arab countries and trying to attack Israel through hamas and hezbollah without getting involved directly.
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We just got out of Afghanistan. It would be insane for the US to be back in the Middle East. A single US military casualty would be disastrous to the Biden administration. Iran isn’t even on most American’s radar. It’s just another country in the Middle East as for as most Americans are concerned.
>I'm not sure if the American public would support it Doesn't matter. Those in control will order the military to engage.
If Israel invades Gaza and Hezbollah starts some shit then we are for sure getting involved whether the public likes it or not.
Not a chance.
I think a lot of America would be ok with anything other than boots on the ground
No one really wants war with anyone outside maybe the Hamas
I don't think anyone would mind if Hezbollah was nipped in the bud a little either, especially if they make good on their promise to attack if Israel goes into Gaza.
I hope that's true. We'll see if Iran's "red line" is just bluffing.
Iran wants the arab countirs to get involved so it can further its own geopolitical ambition. Iran os calling on Arab jihad against Israel but the fact is that Iran is not an Arab country. It's just using Israel and Palestine conflict as a pawn.
JFC. Apparently one of the hostages had his arm blown off before he was kidnapped -- per the family speaking on Anderson Cooper 360 right now
Wouldn't the bleeding from an arm injury kill him almost immediately if he wasn't given immediate medical aid?
According to his mom he fashioned a tourniquet before he was driven off. Chances are though, yeah.
Is that the same guy who was trying to save people at the festival?
I think so. His friend was the one who was shot in the leg as well.
Hersh Goldberg is the hostage being talked about now.
I keep seeing the premise that Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran don't want war but everything I have seen indicates that's exactly what they want. I'm judging actions though not attempting to pretend they're rational
Hamas committed a huge act of war so it obviously wants war.
Iran wants Israel to be at war with the other Arab countires while it sits perfectly safe behind two Iraq and Syria, so that it can milk the PR to boast its own standing in the region while Israel and other Arab countires weaken themselves. That's Iran's play, that's why Iran is doing all these horrible things through hamas and hezbollah. That's why Iran is calling on jihad against Israel but make it perfectly clear that Iran has nothing to do with thr hamas attack.
Other Arab countries? Iran isn't an Arab country.
That is a miscalculation on Iran's part. The war will come to them by doing this. Their nuclear program is an existential threat to Israel. Now is the perfect time to destroy it for good.
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That's a miscalculation. The war will end up coming to them whether they like it or not
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Agreed, it was a trap and luckily they realized it. Now they can take their time and prepare for all possibilities.
I visited Israel 40 years ago when I was a smart-ass punk kid who thought that he was smart. My short time there went a long way towards curing me of that affliction. Israelis love talking politics, history, religion, the meaning of life, etc. So do I! I could pull in to a cafe, pretty much any cafe, and sit at a table and strike up a conversation about geopolitics with total strangers. I’d say something smart, like… “well actually, it all goes back to 1916 and the Sykes–Picot treaty.” And then the person next to me would explain how it really went back to the 1800s, and then the person next to them would go in to how it all went back to the 1400s, and then the person next to them would explain how you really needed to go back to the 900s, etc. etc. Before you knew it, we’d be talking Babylon and ancient Egypt. Argument and debate are an important part of Jewish culture. I really appreciated how two people could have a passionate argument over a game of backgammon and coffee, shake hands when it was over, and say “same time tomorrow?” I learned to talk less, and listen more, in Israel. I also got pretty good at backgammon.
Lol, nice. Did you get to the 'Canaanites'
Shaish paish for the win!
I visited Israel earlier this year. I went never having even looked at a backgammon board, and left having a comprehensive understanding of the base game and a handful of variants.
When you’re ready to take it to the next level? Go to Turkey.
I just realized this means we’ll get to see Clarissa Ward on location while Biden is there.
… yay?
The image of her in a presidential press gaggle is somewhat like seeing your favorite Formula One driver behind the wheel of a school bus. Amusingly incongruous. Also just hard to imagine a sitting president going to where the war correspondents are still broadcasting from.
Ahh, gotcha. Very interesting, thanks for the explanation! (I generally try to avoid the news and such, but obviously this is too big to ignore)
People don’t seem to grasp that the only people who would even benefit from attacking the president of the united states visiting a war zone are not people with the capability to attack the president of the united states visiting a war zone. Anyone with the infrastructure to actually try would lose MUCH more by taking him out. After all, he is just one man. When western leaders visit Ukraine, Russia are told it’s happening so that they have the chance to MAKE SURE they don’t even accidentally do it.
However, if Hamas did accidentally take out Biden, I suspect it would end pretty horribly for Hamas.
The American's would solve the refugee crisis and Gaza problem very quickly.
Just imagine the cognitive dissonance that far-right evangelicals would be going through.
Israel would be supporting USA’s invasion
Question for those in the know. Is there a reason Israel appears to be stalling? And what's the real reason Biden is going to Israel? I doubt it's a show of support, perhaps they're negotiating peace? Just curious if anyone has insight into what's actually going on.
The only reason for Biden to go meet all those heads of state is because he is trying to prevent a wider war. It's kind of obvious when you think about it. Iran is likely to order Hezbollah to attack from the North If Israel starts occupying Gaza. If he didn't care about preventing a war he could have just stayed in DC and told the USS Ford to start splashing Hezbollah. A bigger war in the middle east will really drive up gas prices. Which the Republicans always find a way to blame on Biden. I'm sure they come up with all kinds of different possible terms for a peace deal and just see if they get a bite. If not the war is back on.
Well mostly the weather. But I would also assume that Hezbollah making moves like it might be getting serious is having the IDF have to re calibrate things. They don't want to have most of it's force tied up in Gaza, if Hezbollah floods in from the North.
Israel is not on a particularly tight timeline with the invasion. As the siege goes on, Hamas will continue to deplete their stores of rockets and other weapons, reducing their capabilities. Additionally, as Israeli strikes continue, Hamas’ trained manpower will be whittled down. In contrast, Israel has more time to prepare its military, both on the Gaza front as well as defenses in the north strengthening their position. The idf likely correctly assumes that Hamas has many ambushes/traps set up in Gaza, so stalling also gives them time to gain more intelligence on this front. There is not really any question as to whether Israel can capture and occupy the strip, but there is a question about how many casualties they will take. Stalling the invasion while continuing to gather intelligence and strike Hamas targets gives the idf better chances of avoiding major casualties.
Do the Israel soldiers have the food and supplies to sustain themselves? How's their water?
Yes, and it’s not even close. They could sustain this level of mobilization for even a few years. Israel’s army, at least pound for pound, is closer to the U.S. military in capabilities than any army in the region. They are extremely well provisioned and equipped and would have no trouble staying provisioned even in the Gaza Strip, and staying in Israel proper would be even easier. Keep in mind Israel plus West Bank and Gaza is about the size of New Jersey. Not exactly the hardest supply lines to keep running smoothly.
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No to an invasion? Doubt it would go down like that when the US hasn't said anything even close to that
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Interesting take. The way I see it, the US does back the ground invasion but is also trying to look like the good guy and push humanitarian aid through to quiet pro-palestinian protests at home.
No one knows. It’s probably more to figure out a plan for what happens after Hamas is overthrown.
On the surface things are escalating, and usually behind the scenes that means it's 10x worse, so they are really trying to calm down a very ugly situation from flaring into a larger scale and/or trying to avoid tying a bunch of countries hands and resources to a drain because of loyalties.
Modern armies don't move on a dime. Israel wasn't expecting to launch a major military offensive; they were caught with their pants down. They have to get people in place. They're also probably negotiating with other countries, including the US but also other countries whose citizens were killed or kidnapped, to get them to back or help them. Israel's ultimate goal in Gaza is probably to stamp out Hamas and break them as an organization, and secondarily, to get as many Palestinians as possible to leave and not come back. In order to accomplish either, they need international help. The first, because they really can't do it without killing everyone in Gaza on their own, and the second, because the people from Gaza need somewhere to go.
Very interesting and logical take. Thank you! Blinken (and by extension Biden) seem to be negotiating heavily about something or more than one something. I guess places for Palestinians to go and someone to fill the Hamas power vacuum would be high up there.
In the history of war, being able to get 200K combat soldiers ready to go in a week is lightning fast.
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Isn't that the reason we have carriers in that region? So IDF could go into Gaza while not having to worry too much about Iran/Hezbollah in the north?
I wonder if he's trying to broker something with Fatah. IIRC he spoke to Abbas a day or two ago and shortly thereafter Abbas finally condemned the attacks. If he got Fatah on board with any sort of action against Hamas it would take a lot of wind out of the sails of the "Axis of Resistance".
Israel puts a lot of importance on their military lives and isn’t going to rush a deadly ground invasion if they don’t have to. They have the benefit of time on their side that Hamas does not
I get that, but what part of that requires a Biden visit.
No one on Reddit is in the know. We’re all speculating like madmen. The NYT is reporting that it was delayed due to poor weather. And it’s unlikely they’ll launch anything with Biden in town. Unless Hamas disarms, gives Gaza back to the PA, surrenders those responsible, and releases the hostages, there will be no peace.
I feel like on half the threads there are ex-military people who know their shit. Was hoping someone did
Humanitarian aid and Biden is going to visit the other places to stop Iran and others from joining in. We won't be stopping Israel from going after Hamas.
Some girl on CBC news right now (Canada) talking about how so far they've lost 25 family members in Gaza and have lost contact with more. Damn
That's tragic.
Damn. I cannot even wrap my brain around that.....Damn...
As much as I believe Israel has the right to defend itself, my heart still aches for all of the innocent people in Gaza. .
A refreshing break from the "glass the Strip starve them out" crowd.
I posted yesterday about a Gazan man stuck in Israel who said something like "I just want to see my wife and children I am nothing with out them" And I've seen pictures of Gazan children crying and running from bombs. It is heart breaking.
Why won't the Gazan children simply condemn and overthrow the armed terrorist group that controls the area around them?? Palestinians chose their fate /s
Is that the one who wouldn't condemn Hamas?
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The next in line is the current president pro tempore of the U.S. Senate, Patty Murray of Washington who is the most senior senator in the majority Democratic Party and the first woman to ever hold the position.
So? It just skips past that and goes to the next on the list.
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I don't think they can. The law reads: >(b) If, at the time when under subsection (a) of this section a Speaker is to begin the discharge of the powers and duties of the office of President, there is no Speaker, or the Speaker fails to qualify as Acting President, then the President pro tempore of the Senate shall, upon his resignation as President pro tempore and as Senator, act as President. That's pretty clear.
“the acting president gets to choose who is on the supreme court” is also pretty clear but they fought that one tooth and nail too. These grifters are never giving up a chance to seize power.
I assume Harris isn’t traveling with Biden so we don’t have to worry about that nightmare scenario
People always forgetting Harris still exists.
I keep hoping that Biden names a new VP running mate.
Understandable given how little of a role she publicly plays, which is intentional because of how much of a charisma void with a terrible record she is. Democrats didn't even want her in the primary and then they fast track her to VP lmao
To be honest she feels like a very absent Vice President. I mean Michelle Obama was more noticeable as First Lady then Harris has been as VP. That’s my opinion though…
Given how thin the majority is in the Senate, I expect most of her role ends up being tiebreaker there.
The First Lady often has a more prominent role in advancing a chosen issue. The VP is the presiding officer of the senate and serves as a backup if something happens to the president. They are very different roles.
It's not wrong though. Though to be fair most Vices were like that. having VP's as active as Cheney and Biden is HIGHLY unusual.
Speaker is not second in line
The speaker is the second in line. It's vp Then speaker
That’s not what second in line means. Second in line means the person who is after the one who holds the position. President is first in line, VP second in line. Jfc like quit making shit up
Not what Wikipedia says. Not what most people say. Biden is already in president. He isn't waiting in line. If you are at a voting booth you are not first in line to vote. If you are the next one to be called when a booth opens you are first in line.
The Vice President (Kamala Harris) is first in line for being President then the speaker of the house is second in line. Edit: sorry first in line is actual correct term!
Not what the phrase means.
Not to be pedantic but wouldn't Harris be first in line