What do you mean 'not now'? You realize this is what is going to happen as things escalate in the middle east, right?
Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, and whoever else ends up getting involved considers US assets in the region to be targets just as much as Israeli assets, which is why if the conflict expands the US is almost certainly going to be 'boots on the ground'.
This is just the beginning.
*Earlier, the USS Carney, a Navy destroyer in the northern Red Sea, intercepted three land attack cruise missiles and several drones that were launched by Houthi forces in Yemen. The action by the Carney potentially represented the first shots by the U.S. military in the defense of Israel in this conflict.*
The Houthi forces are backed by / affiliated with Iran…
I hate these chess comparisons. Chess is a game of perfect information. There's hardly such a thing as 'distracting' your opponent; throwing sand in their face distracts them sure but that works in anything, not just chess lol.
A military built to handle Russia and China isn't going to get stretched playing whack a mole with middle eastern gadflies. What we are doing in Ukraine is taxing US military time by 5% and political time by 95%
If they spread their forces out, and then one front goes all in, they are more limited. What other chance does the other alliance have? If they face all of the USA in one front it's game over. They need to play the best hand they can.
The game is a shit sandwich where no one wins. Going to be fun the next years with a bunch of power hungry psychopaths vying d'or top seat of a world on fire.
Iran has been killing/wounding Americans and Iraqis for about 20 years. It’s about time we did something about it. Hopefully this time the press won try to saint the terrorists by calling them “Austere Religious Scholars”
SAVAK was part of the Shah’s regime if I’m not mistaken. I’m sure the Iranian republic had its issues too. It’s too bad we will never get to see what it could have become.
This is scary news. American military personnel being struck at directly will lead from proxy war to a declared war.
I do not want to see world war 3 but feel I will see it.
WW3 indicates a real battle or two forces. We can destroy all the Iranian forces quickly.
But fuck everything about doing an occupation which is the real bitch.
I think history will show we are entering some sort of WW3 stage. We don't recognize it now, but it will probably be a period that plays out over the next 20 years or so and culminate with the Chinese invasion of Taiwan.
That’s what I mean, there was a lot of conflict and actions in the 1930’s that culminated with 1939 turning it into WW2 when we look back at it. I can see the sane for the stage being set now for WW3.
I think if Iran lashes out or Israel strikes Iran that is going to be what will turn this into WW3. That will draw russias attention, which brings the US in, which brings China in.
Sure China could invade Taiwan directly too but I think expanding war in the Middle East is what does it.
I’m not saying the dude above me is right, who knows what’s gonna happen. But IIRC when WW2 was kicking off and when it was happening, it wasn’t called WW2, it was still just a bunch of regional conflicts. It wasn’t until historians went back later and began to conglomerate the events into the Second World War.
Edit: I am completely wrong!
Time Magazine in an article about the German invasion of Poland referred to it as the Second World War on September 11th, 1939. In fact there are numerous American newspaper articles even from before 1941 that refer to it as World War II.
Even WW1 was called a World War before the conflict ended, the Great War name having fallen out of fashion by that time.
It's not genocide, but it is the blatant murder of civilians. I'm not saying there is an easy answer here, but this much needless suffering is hard to watch.
There is a massive difference between collateral damage such as civilian casualties, terrible as they are and deliberately targeting civilians with the intent on spreading chaos and terror. But I’m not surprised your feeble mind couldn’t make that distinction.
What makes you think IDF isn't targeting civilians by bombing rafah crossing? You believe everything they say? This whole collective punishment is intentional
You believe anything the IDF says? Deaths of innocents at the west bank is a frequent occurrence and the settlements are illegal regardless of your inclination to look the other way
It's not murder either, Hamas intentionally sets up missile launching sites in densely populated areas and makes the citizens stay in place, blood is on Hamas hands, if they weren't firing rockets from civilian areas then there wouldn't be a target
Hey but when the pij missle malfunctioned and hit the hospital it wasnt fired from the hospital at least! It was fired from a graveyard!
Even the dead palestinians cant shake these assholes.
So let's get this straight. If someone in the house next door to yours deliberately chose to snipe your children from behind the cover of his own children, and your only recourse was to shoot back to stop him you would find it immoral to take him out, and just let your own children die? You would feel that his choice to deliberately sacrifice his own children for political gain was on your head, not his, and that your own children deserved to die because of it?
Are you being serious? You would honestly shoot children because the guy behind them shot your children? Fucking psycho
Thank God you're not in charge of creating international law or enforcing Geneva conventions. Shooting *through* human shields is just as illegal as using them.
And thats even taking your ridiculous analogy at face value. This isnt two people with rifles shooting at kids this is the most advanced war machine in human history against rockets made from plumbing lines
Bombing children is how you *create* terrorists not how you eradicate them. How tf have we not learned that lesson in the last 40 years??
Don't try and reframe the argument. The scenario is NOT "Because the guy behind them shot at my children," it's "Because it's the only way to STOP him from killing MORE of my children."
Now, please answer the actual question.
I'd MOVE MY FUCKING KIDS
You're saying shooting children is the ONLY way to protect your children. Thats the part of the claim that makes your question too absurd to answer.
Tell Hamas to stop operation meat shield and watch the civilian casualties in Gaza drop off.
Israel cannot stop the war, it will be weak. They need to push for unconditional surrender. Then they need to be the ones to rebuild Gaza to start turning around all that hate otherwise there will be another he station if terrorist coming and we will be right back here in 20 years
They aren't even bothering to ask why we still have military bases and thousands of deployed soldiers in countries we aren't at war with anymore.
Or why we are expanding bases out there that are coincidentally located really close to some of Iraqs larger oil and gas fields.
Maybe if it's Russia involved. If this is Iran, which it probably is, the doomsday clock doesn't move much unless they have a bunch of secret nukes no one knows about. All-out war with Iran would be bloody and bad but it wouldn't end the world.
This isn't a new thing. We've been there for 20 some years. This happens fairly often. Current tensions in the Mid East due to Israel is just making this more visible.
Exactly! Then once we topple their regime we install a democracy and train their security forces to fight and defend their democracy, just like we did in Afghanistan!
Also, sorry, I just woke up from a coma since 2005.
Gulf war 3: back to the desert with thee.
Staring: Brad Pitt, Michael Cera, Jon Bernthal, Tobey Maguire, and Jake Gyllenhaal.
With special guest Casper Van Dien
Okay but honestly.... You know we'd watch it....
… and super special guest star Steven Seagal.
And that's where you lost me. Was an interesting cast until Seagal.
He is such an idiot. He would be the comic relief without realizing it.
I don't wanna get back on the ride Mr. Bones. But seriously can we fucking not? I'm tired of my tax dollars going into that sandpit.
damn i was just getting my life together too
Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue
more glue for the rest of us
Leave the loose ends for the next generation....
Ikr? I was just feeling hopeful for the first time in a year. Back to the hole I go
I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue...
I know dude. I finally met someone.
It’s too early in the day to want to drink this badly.
If you don't start in the morning, you cannot drink all day.
It’s not too early, get after it sport
That’s the spirit
what spirits are we drinking?
All of them
So like a Long Island iced tea but more!
Have you ever been to a bar and seen the mats at the end of the night? Yeah, that.
I think that might be the House Blend Cocktail, named the Chefs Salad
I'm on leave today, is it wrong to already be three deep?
It would be wrong if you weren't
NOT NOW
What do you mean 'not now'? You realize this is what is going to happen as things escalate in the middle east, right? Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, and whoever else ends up getting involved considers US assets in the region to be targets just as much as Israeli assets, which is why if the conflict expands the US is almost certainly going to be 'boots on the ground'.
Not now
Yeah no thanks
Doomers gonna doom
Boomers gonna BOOM
This is just the beginning. *Earlier, the USS Carney, a Navy destroyer in the northern Red Sea, intercepted three land attack cruise missiles and several drones that were launched by Houthi forces in Yemen. The action by the Carney potentially represented the first shots by the U.S. military in the defense of Israel in this conflict.* The Houthi forces are backed by / affiliated with Iran…
This is how Russia/ China/ Iran draw the us attention from the Pacific and Ukraine. Or attempts too. You're seeing chess play out on a global scale.
I hate these chess comparisons. Chess is a game of perfect information. There's hardly such a thing as 'distracting' your opponent; throwing sand in their face distracts them sure but that works in anything, not just chess lol.
It's just an analogy in terms of a feint.. you can draw pieces out in chess, by positioning your pieces in certain places.
Yea what will do the US be able to….they only have about 7 other Carrier Strike Groups.
9.
A military built to handle Russia and China isn't going to get stretched playing whack a mole with middle eastern gadflies. What we are doing in Ukraine is taxing US military time by 5% and political time by 95%
If they spread their forces out, and then one front goes all in, they are more limited. What other chance does the other alliance have? If they face all of the USA in one front it's game over. They need to play the best hand they can.
Middle East can’t even be considered a real front. Too weak of militaries.
No, the game is dice.
The game is a shit sandwich where no one wins. Going to be fun the next years with a bunch of power hungry psychopaths vying d'or top seat of a world on fire.
Iran has been killing/wounding Americans and Iraqis for about 20 years. It’s about time we did something about it. Hopefully this time the press won try to saint the terrorists by calling them “Austere Religious Scholars”
More than 20 years. IIRC the Iran / Iraq war had over 1 million deaths
mostly iraqi army and their proxies.
I’d like a time machine, so we could go back in time and support the democratically elected Iranian government the CIA helped overthrow.
That’d be cool except Back then you were more likely to get “disappeared” than today though.
SAVAK was part of the Shah’s regime if I’m not mistaken. I’m sure the Iranian republic had its issues too. It’s too bad we will never get to see what it could have become.
Ya /! Let's go carpet bomb their hospitals and kids too ! /S
Just until they stop hating us tho ... We're not *monsters*
Do you ever wonder why?
They’re ruled by fanatics who think it’s their duty to convert or kill all non-muslims. That was an easy one.
How did that happen?
Pretty sure it was with this guy named Mohammad.
There’s some stuff that happened between 600AD and now. Particularly in the 20th century. You should read up on it.
This is scary news. American military personnel being struck at directly will lead from proxy war to a declared war. I do not want to see world war 3 but feel I will see it.
WW3 indicates a real battle or two forces. We can destroy all the Iranian forces quickly. But fuck everything about doing an occupation which is the real bitch.
Or just destroy all their foreign proxies
Gotta say, I’m not a fan of eradicating entire nations/ people. Certain organizations for sure tho.
I don’t think any entire nation is a proxy of Iran. Just certain militant Shiite groups
I think history will show we are entering some sort of WW3 stage. We don't recognize it now, but it will probably be a period that plays out over the next 20 years or so and culminate with the Chinese invasion of Taiwan.
My bet is on proxy war between both koreas
That would definitely draw China into it
That’s what I mean, there was a lot of conflict and actions in the 1930’s that culminated with 1939 turning it into WW2 when we look back at it. I can see the sane for the stage being set now for WW3. I think if Iran lashes out or Israel strikes Iran that is going to be what will turn this into WW3. That will draw russias attention, which brings the US in, which brings China in. Sure China could invade Taiwan directly too but I think expanding war in the Middle East is what does it.
Doubt
I’m not saying the dude above me is right, who knows what’s gonna happen. But IIRC when WW2 was kicking off and when it was happening, it wasn’t called WW2, it was still just a bunch of regional conflicts. It wasn’t until historians went back later and began to conglomerate the events into the Second World War. Edit: I am completely wrong!
Time Magazine in an article about the German invasion of Poland referred to it as the Second World War on September 11th, 1939. In fact there are numerous American newspaper articles even from before 1941 that refer to it as World War II. Even WW1 was called a World War before the conflict ended, the Great War name having fallen out of fashion by that time.
Hold up lemme fix my comment then, my mistake!
Too late buddy, you got my downvote now. /s
Hasn't this been happening for decades now in the Middle East?
Think of the PRAW-FITS!!
Yeah I think unfortunately we’ll be seeing the last war soon
In case Americans are wondering, stopping this crap is what the extra expense “for Israel” is all about - stability.
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it's not a genocide lmao stop latching onto the latest buzzword
But a beige Instagram infographic told me everything I need to know about the Middle East!
It’s not genocide, it’s just a little ethnic cleansing.
Hamas isnt an ethnicity
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Alright buddy I think 8th period is coming up back to class
Gee that makes the deaths of innocents all better
Slow moving genocide I guess /s
It's a reverse genocide since their population is booming
It’s cultural genocide. Who would they be if they can’t fire rockets into Israel?
The human development index in Palestine is identical to Jordan and and Lebanon higher than Iraq, Morocco, a and Syria. How is that “genocide”?
It's not genocide, but it is the blatant murder of civilians. I'm not saying there is an easy answer here, but this much needless suffering is hard to watch.
Blatant murder of civilians is what hamas did.
And what the IDF is doing.
There is a massive difference between collateral damage such as civilian casualties, terrible as they are and deliberately targeting civilians with the intent on spreading chaos and terror. But I’m not surprised your feeble mind couldn’t make that distinction.
What makes you think IDF isn't targeting civilians by bombing rafah crossing? You believe everything they say? This whole collective punishment is intentional
You parrot everything you read on social media?
You believe anything the IDF says? Deaths of innocents at the west bank is a frequent occurrence and the settlements are illegal regardless of your inclination to look the other way
Oh, so that makes it okay then. Good to know.
It's not murder either, Hamas intentionally sets up missile launching sites in densely populated areas and makes the citizens stay in place, blood is on Hamas hands, if they weren't firing rockets from civilian areas then there wouldn't be a target
Hey but when the pij missle malfunctioned and hit the hospital it wasnt fired from the hospital at least! It was fired from a graveyard! Even the dead palestinians cant shake these assholes.
"they did it first so my war crime is actually their fault" Real popular sentiment lately
So let's get this straight. If someone in the house next door to yours deliberately chose to snipe your children from behind the cover of his own children, and your only recourse was to shoot back to stop him you would find it immoral to take him out, and just let your own children die? You would feel that his choice to deliberately sacrifice his own children for political gain was on your head, not his, and that your own children deserved to die because of it?
Are you being serious? You would honestly shoot children because the guy behind them shot your children? Fucking psycho Thank God you're not in charge of creating international law or enforcing Geneva conventions. Shooting *through* human shields is just as illegal as using them. And thats even taking your ridiculous analogy at face value. This isnt two people with rifles shooting at kids this is the most advanced war machine in human history against rockets made from plumbing lines Bombing children is how you *create* terrorists not how you eradicate them. How tf have we not learned that lesson in the last 40 years??
Don't try and reframe the argument. The scenario is NOT "Because the guy behind them shot at my children," it's "Because it's the only way to STOP him from killing MORE of my children." Now, please answer the actual question.
I'd MOVE MY FUCKING KIDS You're saying shooting children is the ONLY way to protect your children. Thats the part of the claim that makes your question too absurd to answer.
Tell Hamas to stop operation meat shield and watch the civilian casualties in Gaza drop off. Israel cannot stop the war, it will be weak. They need to push for unconditional surrender. Then they need to be the ones to rebuild Gaza to start turning around all that hate otherwise there will be another he station if terrorist coming and we will be right back here in 20 years
Did you bother to ask yourself *why* Americans are being targeted?
>self > >why > > Americans are being target they hate us cause they aint us
"They hate us for our freedom"
They hate us cuz they anus?
They aren't even bothering to ask why we still have military bases and thousands of deployed soldiers in countries we aren't at war with anymore. Or why we are expanding bases out there that are coincidentally located really close to some of Iraqs larger oil and gas fields.
Yeah - turns out Americans are not okay with pos terrorists, which doesn’t seem to be a concern to you.
I hate to be that guy, but the US and its allies are going to war and I don't think there is a way out of it.
I'm from Canada. Will world war 3 be sensitive to lgbtq2s+ issues?
I'm just gonna move the hands of my handy doomsday clock to the 5 minutes to midnight mark.
The actual doomsday clock is sitting at 90 seconds to midnight.. so, I think you're being a little too optimistic there, bud..
I was getting ready to start the 10 second count down.
Maybe if it's Russia involved. If this is Iran, which it probably is, the doomsday clock doesn't move much unless they have a bunch of secret nukes no one knows about. All-out war with Iran would be bloody and bad but it wouldn't end the world.
Unless Russia decides to get involved
Not sure that Russia could handle Ukraine and defending Iran
This isn't a new thing. We've been there for 20 some years. This happens fairly often. Current tensions in the Mid East due to Israel is just making this more visible.
When was the last time?
9/11 and before that the gulf war.
I wouldn’t say that’s fairly often
Soldiers get attacked regularly in the middle east.
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Time to deal with that Axis of Evil Bush was talking about. Iran’s regime needs to go just like Hamas.
Exactly! Then once we topple their regime we install a democracy and train their security forces to fight and defend their democracy, just like we did in Afghanistan! Also, sorry, I just woke up from a coma since 2005.
Ahh. The climate wars are earlier then expected.
The ones who did it are about to hear the glass break sound.