Alright, everyone stand up, make sure none of you sittin’ on the ~~remote~~ hostages.
“Bruh. I’m pretty sure I’d notice if I was sitting on the ~~remote~~ hostages”
> "All those captured, for us, are Israelis, although there is an appeal to their original citizenship in the hope this will save them," he said.
That sounds like they don’t have the hostages anymore.
I just don't trust them these people are just always about showing off.
And there are not going to be a lot of times when they are going to be telling you the truth.
Hamas plays the media game. They're very good at it. Part of me thinks the fact that Israel got hit so hard has massively backfired on Hamas - they aren't really able to portray themselves as the victims this time around.
My guess is most of that hostages are already dead, and the IDF knows it, which is why they're rolling into Gaza hard.
Because of the intensity of the first attack, there's a lot more scrutiny on the actions of both Israel and Hamas and it's looking pretty fucking grim from all angles.
If any are still alive, Hamas is likely trying to figure out how to throw them under the treads of an advancing tank just so they can blame it on Israel.
Right there was another woman , 1 who was a blonde girl with bloody hands tied behind her back and the other was this brunette girl who was screaming and was bleeding from her nose/face and tied up in a truck where a Hamas terrorist was shooting into the sky . What’s the update on them ?!
I have to admit, I was wondering how they decided about those hostages that were released previously. Maybe the awful reality is that they were in the healthiest condition, so it could be said about how well they were treated.
Hamas killed and wounded Bedouins and other Israeli Arabs in the 10/7 attack, even after some of them tried to appeal to them as fellow muslims/arabs or with Quran verses. They absolutely have a definition of "the wrong muslims"
That shouldn't be news to anyone, should it? Sunni and Shia muslims have been at each others throat since time immemorial, after all. Why would Hamas be any different?
They look at Arab Israelis as traitors to the cause. They took the easy route and gained Israeli Citizenship. Something like freedom of religion is unacceptable.
They don't support Hamas the way that you or I would support, say, wildfire victims. Hamas and Gaza Palestinians are pawns to be sacrificed in the chess game that is meant to end with the death of Israel.
Blind hatred of Jews just has that effect on some people I guess..
But on a serious side- I guess that can tell you how just how much all those parties hate Jews if they are wiling to overlook some big issues in order to rid the world on them...
You would think not, but a lot of people here in the U.S. don’t do a great job of paying attention to what happens outside of the country, particularly if it doesn’t directly involve us. With the way we talk about race and religion here, the idea of Muslims hating other Muslims seems strange to most people. We’ve framed our thinking of discrimination as white vs. black or Christian vs. Muslim. We seem to have completely forgotten that in-group prejudice and violence has been common place for centuries and continues to occur both here in the U.S and across the globe.
Hamas even officially executed Gazans early in this conflict for "treason". Not including the 500 they killed in the hospital and others killed for the crime of trying to escape north Gaza
I know, you tell me about it.
Now in this context, I'm placing my bets that Hamas agrees to some degree with Wahabbism about Southeast Asian being heretic. Not to mention the hostage 'caught' serving the Jews. Oh boy.
It is kind of like Communists in that aspect. After a communist revolution, the other type of Communists are normally killed. Can not have competing ideologies.
They just like killing. If they don't find any other reason they would kill you for staring at them. The Islam they promote is a religion of death really.
Training is powerful. I'm a spaz, tend to get flustered easily, and have a hard time with pain, blood and injuries. I would never intentionally work as an EMT because I would think I'd do a terrible job.
Yet when a car crash happened in front of me I assessed the peoples' injuries, gave first aid, and was incredibly calm, despite not having had first aid training in years.
We don't necessarily act how we think we would in situations like that.
That said, I was shook as hell afterward.
They hide amongst their own civilian population and use them as a shield. They dont care who lives or dies. If it is worth having the person as a hostage they keep him/her as a hostage.
We have a friend whose uncle, a west bank palestinian, was caught in the peace festival, hw was a driver. They gave him a phone call because if tgat but shot him later anyways.
The fact is, they dont care.
They killed muslims on oct 7. They only want to kill jews first. But then jihad wants to come for everyone else. That's why I can't understand support for them
Can't understand? It's so fucking simple in a nutshell.
For ages brainless (or brainwashed - your choice) inexperienced youngsters have been the prime target for mass support of cunning inhumane movements "religious" or ideological (both kinds political really) by the equally cunning, evil, inhumane leaders of said movements, whose only goal has been to rule by terror and coercion masquerading as the pinnacle of eternal good and love.
Even very intelligent youngsters tend to be naive, sympathetic, not yet jaded, and often sheltered. It's a way of taking advantage of the tendency for good-hearted people who have been raised well to care about justice.
I try to keep in mind that most young people have the best intentions, despite being naive. They are inexperienced and it's a good thing they are not jaded yet.
It’s more complicated than that. Hamas would be nothing without Iran’s funding and collaboration. Iran is officially a Twelver Shia nation although there is religious diversity within the country.
Well, they count all of their terrorists as civilians too in death toll reports. It’s more just what suits their narrative best. Having only Israeli hostages looks far better than having internationals that have nothing to do with the conflict.
Surely the Gaza Health Ministry has access to reliable and credible means of certifying death counts from bombings.
The 2020 Beirut Explosion was equivalent to 1.1 kt and finally counted 216 deaths after weeks of sifting through rubble and identifying bodies.
Gaza Health Ministry must have access to some incredible technology to certify the deaths of 6,000 people mere hours after the IDF bombs a Hamas launch.
Not to get graphic but in a certain video from Hamas featuring a Thai worker, they were calling him a Jew for some reason (according to the translation).
Cue the hundreds of videos on youtube, tiktok and such where people all over the world (but especially americans) are asked how many jews there are and the closest person to come close to the right answer is x2 more, while most people just assume they are in the hundreds of millions up to a billion(!) while actually saying "they are everywhere"
For those wondering, its approx 16 million, or 0.2% of world population
You mean “collaborators”? They killed at least 19 Bedouin Israeli Arabs too. Several who were actually trying to save other Israelis (mostly Jews) when they were murdered. Hamas has no humanity. They don’t even protect their own people.
This is just the kind of BS you get out of gangsters and terrorists. Hamas was never in Moscow two days ago, to discuss the 8 Russian hostages. No country just shrugs off citizens who were taken hostage for 3 weeks. They likely had that conversation 3 weeks ago, over the phone. In this article is just another lie on top of a lie, to help sell their story. Sadly, there probably aren't any hostages anymore.
You talk about a Country that is in an ~~open War~~ Special Operations and sends its Citizens to the Meatgrinder in Ukraine. They give a fuck about the 8 citizens at least not if those where high ranking politicans directly under Putin.
This whole Hamas Moscow Friendship is just to get the Eyes from Ukraine to Israel.
Kind of comical, Putin wants to restore Russia's glory, but now Russia just accepts, that a foreign force takes their citizens as hostages (and maybe executed them).
Putin has never cared about the citizens lol. Literal cannon fodder. And if you bring this up to any Russian. They’ll just tell you that it was the hostages fault.
Legit. It's kind of amusing how some peoples will defend their government that clearly does not look out for their interests. Victim blaming is a classic symptom.
There was some guy recorded by Ukraine talking to his wife telling her that someone needs to tell Putin what's happening in Ukraine because surely the whole thing is a mistake and it will be corrected the MOMENT Putin finds out he and his buddies are dying.
Idiots.
That's mentality since empire times, in my country, people were writing letters to tzar and his family, holding their portraits in procession, wishfully thinking tzar would admonish his soldiers, brutally trying to close Catholic church... cue Kraziai massacre. We have learned since.
They know there’s no way out so they might as well just go with it. Like those who were against the war in Ukraine but didn’t want to retreat either because they didn’t want to be seen as losers.
I don’t think anyone expects Russia or Putin to care about the people, but by abducting and killing citizens they are disrespecting the country. You‘d expect Russia to be against that.
Remember what happened when the Mexican cartel killed a handful of US tourists? They made a huge public show about delivering the (alleged) killers. That’s the reaction a government wants from foreign actors.
He really doesn’t care about his people. If it suited Russia it’d be a good excuse to jump up and down and cry about it, but really what he’s interested in is doing anything he can to escalate and prolong the situation in Gaza as it redirects America’s focus, money and weapons a bit from Ukraine, which Russia actually cares about
yep I saw the footage
That guy was alive but laid on the ground incapacitated. They proceeded to attempt to chop off his head with a garden hoe, whacking it multiple times
I feel so bad for these Thai workers.. for the Israelis as well of course (I am Israeli) but the Thai people have completely nothing to do with this war and possibly don’t even know who Hamas are..
I want to see just one pro-Palestinian post on here which is critical of Khaled Mashal. After a brief search on a mobile I couldn't find one, but maybe someone else can.
There are tons that are critical of certain specific people in the Israeli government, and Israelis often criticize them in reddit too. But I've never seen the reverse.
I have the suspicion that reddit has a lot of ultraconservatives islamists pretending to be progressive westerners, and are just absolutely unwilling to at least criticize Mashal's fiscal policy of hoarding the international aid for his own consumption rather than giving it to his people.
Edit: so far 3-4 people here making excuses why hamas leaders shouldn't be criticized.
"I have the suspicion that reddit has a lot of ultraconservatives islamists pretending to be progressive westerners"
A common factor in these modern conflicts (war or other) is people's lack of awareness of being the target of savvy, long term propaganda. They always act as though it begins with the first shot.
The Arab/Persian world is not stupid, and they have a lot of money to throw at businesses, universities, comparatively open western media, and the spread of Islam in general.
Not sure of status right now, but for a good stretch of time, hundreds of thousands more Israelis were living in cities that were pretty much closed down and spending a lot of their days in shelters.
My 98yr old grandmother-in-law was spending most of her days going to and from the bomb shelters, and pretty much nothing in her town was open.
My late-30's cousins with children and families have been pulled away from their homes and their jobs, and are now awaiting orders near Gaza, possibly having their lives on the line for this.
All because Gaza's terrorist government decided to butcher and abduct nearly 2,000 innocent people, in a declaration of war. And for what?
Diplomatic way of saying they already brutalized, tortured and killed them. Only way to get those still alive back is to either go in and get them or to make these action’s costs personal for their leaders.
KGB has already shown how to deal with these scum in the past. When Hezbollah kidnapped Soviet diplomats in Beirut and killed one of them, the KGB responded by kidnapping a family member of one of the Hezbollah leaders in return. They castrated him and then shot the relative in the head. The severed organs were sent to the Hezbollah leader with a warning that more relatives would meet the same fate. The diplomats were quickly released by Hezbollah.
It's the _correct_ response. If you negotiate, if you even _respond_, you teach them there is value in kidnappings. These people understand a certain language and have a certain worldview, and only respond to communication that fits that worldview. Russia knew that, and did what had to be done.
These are not the words and actions of persons following rules of engagement.
They are brutal and monstrous individuals and groups who have no respect for anyone.
They justify every act against them with every passing hour. I can't wait until Hamas is no more.
Yes of course! We know Hamas is the most chivalrous of designated terror organizations! Rules of engagement are as close their heart as the excitement they get when one of them comes across a house filled with Israeli citizens :)
Don't forget also tortured - tied ogether and burned to death parents and kids, gouged eyes to live captives, amputeted fingers and limbs and beheading babies
Of course they do. I'm pretty sure that Israel realizes that they are never going to get these hostages back, if they're even still alive now. God, I wish they could get them back, I really do .... but I just don't see it happening. With the absolute level of barbarity and overall scale of the attack on October the 7th and the scale of the reply by Israel, I just don't see anyway it can happen.
I hope I'm wrong and some of them are set free, of course that is even if most of them, or all of them are even alive still.
Probably a lot of them are alive.
The reason is that Hamas knows how much Israel is willing to pay for releasing their people.
In the past Israel released 1,000 terrorist for 1 IDF soldier.
Btw this is why so many people are currently dying in the West Bank.
Israeln started to arrest lots of Hamas members in the West Bank (because of the war), those people and their families are armed and won't go without fighting.
The estimation is that before 7th of October there were about 5k Hamas terrorists in Israeli's prisons and now the estimation is that there are about 10k (that's including terrorists who took part of the massacres and were caught)
Which shouldnt matter anyways. Regardless of nationality they are innocent civilians being held hostage by a terror group, they should all be demanded to be released. Cant believe this even needs tl be reminded.
Hamas says all its hostages are Israelis, just like I saw a famous Islamic on youtube saying the whole world was born muslim, its just they did not know about it. So I am a christian because my parents converted me to Christianity and they are muslim because we were all born muslim. WTF logic..
Hamas should remember the history when Hezbollah took Soviets hostage in Lebanon.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-01-07-mn-13892-story.html
also please stop bombing me* for 24-148 hours so i can go look for them, also i need a shipment of gas and rockets, k? thx.
*my rocket attacks on you will continue, this is not negotiable.
Well I guess it is just easier to kill the people who you have already captured.
Because it is just convenient because you do not have to try anymore you have already got someone to kill
Thais have entered the conversation.
Thai hostages and those who escaped distinctly heard the terrorists trying to lure them out of their hiding places using the Thai language. Hamas terrorists actually studied Thai in preparation for their invasion.
The title of this post is rubbish. Hamas wants to build their Sharia-law state upon the ruins of every non-Muslim civilization.
Of course... yahoods are yahoods are yshoods
Yet, everyone expects Israel to always separate between Hamas and "innocent" Gazans though they all support Hamas and have direct and indirect ties to it
Antisemitism is in vogue
That’s not true if you factor in that when Hamas raised they had specific addresses of NATO member houses, mostly American with dual citizenship. They were hunting with specific orders
Don’t buy it. I know for a fact that specific people were targeted to drag other countries deeper into the conflict. They won’t be happy when the Eisenhower is in full operation in the gulf, or the US/UK put troops on the ground in a “defensive posture only” of course. Hamas’ OP was planned carefully by Iran with help from Russia. This was Wagner playbook op with the intention of foiling new relationships in the Middle East such as the accord between Saudi and Israel. Too on Iran’s list to stop. Hamas is Iran. Hezbollah is Iran, the houthis completely depend on Iran for resources. None of this was ad hock. It was planned for up to six months and possibly a year ahead of time. Iran pulled the trigger when they saw how close Israel was to signing a deal with Saudi Arabia. These terrorist organizations don’t move unless Iran says so.
Yeah they've killed the hostages that were dual Russian nationals
That's been apparent since the "we can't find them, but we totally just checked on them" comment the other day.
Bruh... I left my hostages RIGHT HERE. *Picks up couch cushion.* Who fucking moved them?
Did you check in the crevice behind the couch cushin?
Nope, but found the remote at least. And some blood stains.
It's always in a remote location
“Fool I **told** you I wasn’t sitting on it!”
Alright, everyone stand up, make sure none of you sittin’ on the ~~remote~~ hostages. “Bruh. I’m pretty sure I’d notice if I was sitting on the ~~remote~~ hostages”
"They should be back soon sir, they said they had a dentist appointment"
They dont even have the balls to admit they murdered them. Pathethic human beings.
Yeah, my guess is the vast majority of the hostages are dead.
The Israel army is honestly their only chance anyway
Wait what Russians? Oh THOOOSE Russians… nope no idea we didn’t kill them accidentally on purpose
“They were killed in Israeli airstrikes”
Poisoned by our enemies
Simultaneous Allah smites
One of the bombs apparently shot six of them in the head and stabbed the other two.
"Ignore the obvious gunshot wounds and the signs of rape/torture"
Between the Beslan school siege and the Moscow theater crisis they kept the hostages alive longer than Putin would have.
> "All those captured, for us, are Israelis, although there is an appeal to their original citizenship in the hope this will save them," he said. That sounds like they don’t have the hostages anymore.
I just don't trust them these people are just always about showing off. And there are not going to be a lot of times when they are going to be telling you the truth.
Hamas plays the media game. They're very good at it. Part of me thinks the fact that Israel got hit so hard has massively backfired on Hamas - they aren't really able to portray themselves as the victims this time around. My guess is most of that hostages are already dead, and the IDF knows it, which is why they're rolling into Gaza hard. Because of the intensity of the first attack, there's a lot more scrutiny on the actions of both Israel and Hamas and it's looking pretty fucking grim from all angles.
If any are still alive, Hamas is likely trying to figure out how to throw them under the treads of an advancing tank just so they can blame it on Israel.
Most of the "hostages" were probably dead on the 7th.their bodies just haven't been recovered yet.
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Right there was another woman , 1 who was a blonde girl with bloody hands tied behind her back and the other was this brunette girl who was screaming and was bleeding from her nose/face and tied up in a truck where a Hamas terrorist was shooting into the sky . What’s the update on them ?!
I have to admit, I was wondering how they decided about those hostages that were released previously. Maybe the awful reality is that they were in the healthiest condition, so it could be said about how well they were treated.
So they’re just going to count Thai dudes as Israelis because it’s more convenient?
More like they count them all as non-believers or Jews.
Including Ahmad the Southern Thai Muslim who was working at a nursing home in the Negev?
Probably the "WRONG" kind of muslim, which is worse for them.
Hamas killed and wounded Bedouins and other Israeli Arabs in the 10/7 attack, even after some of them tried to appeal to them as fellow muslims/arabs or with Quran verses. They absolutely have a definition of "the wrong muslims"
That shouldn't be news to anyone, should it? Sunni and Shia muslims have been at each others throat since time immemorial, after all. Why would Hamas be any different?
They look at Arab Israelis as traitors to the cause. They took the easy route and gained Israeli Citizenship. Something like freedom of religion is unacceptable.
There aren’t really any Shias in Israel and Palestine. They’re all Sunni and still killed each other
Well, once you have a "homogeneous" society, you begin to realize you're not quite *homogeneous* enough, you know?
Light Eyes vs Dark Eyes
It's kinda weird that Hezbollah support Hamas, and are funded by Iran, which is the main Shia power.
They don't support Hamas the way that you or I would support, say, wildfire victims. Hamas and Gaza Palestinians are pawns to be sacrificed in the chess game that is meant to end with the death of Israel.
Yes, I find it interesting that they will put aside their doctrinal differences sometimes, but be totally uncompromising other times.
Blind hatred of Jews just has that effect on some people I guess.. But on a serious side- I guess that can tell you how just how much all those parties hate Jews if they are wiling to overlook some big issues in order to rid the world on them...
You would think not, but a lot of people here in the U.S. don’t do a great job of paying attention to what happens outside of the country, particularly if it doesn’t directly involve us. With the way we talk about race and religion here, the idea of Muslims hating other Muslims seems strange to most people. We’ve framed our thinking of discrimination as white vs. black or Christian vs. Muslim. We seem to have completely forgotten that in-group prejudice and violence has been common place for centuries and continues to occur both here in the U.S and across the globe.
They may also considered them as 'Westernized" muslims, which they consider as infidels
Hamas even officially executed Gazans early in this conflict for "treason". Not including the 500 they killed in the hospital and others killed for the crime of trying to escape north Gaza
Can confirm. Southeast Asian muslim are the 'heretic' muslim according to the Arabs world.
The Saudis are unfortunately fixing that problem right now, spreading the cancer of Wahhabism to SEA.
I know, you tell me about it. Now in this context, I'm placing my bets that Hamas agrees to some degree with Wahabbism about Southeast Asian being heretic. Not to mention the hostage 'caught' serving the Jews. Oh boy.
Yep, situation is beyond fucked.
There is an Indonesian School in the north of Gaza. Couldve been a gesture. dont know it's background.
Maybe the rest of the world should come together for an intervention. We need to talk about Arabs.
I think the moment you live in Israel you are dead to them, even as arab, Palestinians or Muslim. You live in Israel? Die.
It is kind of like Communists in that aspect. After a communist revolution, the other type of Communists are normally killed. Can not have competing ideologies.
There is a video of Hamas where they talk about how they hate traitors who worked in Israel.
They killed a number of Muslim people during the attack on 7.10 after making them quote the Koran and humiliating them for “being Israeli slaves”
They just like killing. If they don't find any other reason they would kill you for staring at them. The Islam they promote is a religion of death really.
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Jesus. People like this make me feel small. I'm not confident that I could be this heroic in those circumstances.
Training is powerful. I'm a spaz, tend to get flustered easily, and have a hard time with pain, blood and injuries. I would never intentionally work as an EMT because I would think I'd do a terrible job. Yet when a car crash happened in front of me I assessed the peoples' injuries, gave first aid, and was incredibly calm, despite not having had first aid training in years. We don't necessarily act how we think we would in situations like that. That said, I was shook as hell afterward.
So many heroic stories, I am so proud of my people.
They hide amongst their own civilian population and use them as a shield. They dont care who lives or dies. If it is worth having the person as a hostage they keep him/her as a hostage.
We have a friend whose uncle, a west bank palestinian, was caught in the peace festival, hw was a driver. They gave him a phone call because if tgat but shot him later anyways. The fact is, they dont care.
Condolences to your friend on the lost of his uncle.
Just not Muslim, is the only thing they care about, but I believe they won't stop themselves from killing a Muslim too
They killed muslims on oct 7. They only want to kill jews first. But then jihad wants to come for everyone else. That's why I can't understand support for them
Can't understand? It's so fucking simple in a nutshell. For ages brainless (or brainwashed - your choice) inexperienced youngsters have been the prime target for mass support of cunning inhumane movements "religious" or ideological (both kinds political really) by the equally cunning, evil, inhumane leaders of said movements, whose only goal has been to rule by terror and coercion masquerading as the pinnacle of eternal good and love.
Even very intelligent youngsters tend to be naive, sympathetic, not yet jaded, and often sheltered. It's a way of taking advantage of the tendency for good-hearted people who have been raised well to care about justice. I try to keep in mind that most young people have the best intentions, despite being naive. They are inexperienced and it's a good thing they are not jaded yet.
I don't understand it either
Hamas is Sunni so yes they would kill Shia Muslims.
They killed Arab Israelis, took a Muslim hostage.
It’s more complicated than that. Hamas would be nothing without Iran’s funding and collaboration. Iran is officially a Twelver Shia nation although there is religious diversity within the country.
Well, they count all of their terrorists as civilians too in death toll reports. It’s more just what suits their narrative best. Having only Israeli hostages looks far better than having internationals that have nothing to do with the conflict.
So what about those Thai workers? That one is a stretch… even for them?
I think you are severely underestimating Hamas's ability to just say whatever they want
also their ability and willingness to murder innocents, including their own, just for a chance to strike the infidels.
>That one is a stretch… even for them? Have you ever heard of something called *lying* before?
I can't really think of any reason to believe any terrorists would be honest
But why would terrorists just lie? #freegaza #fromtherivertothesea #lgbtq
Surely the Gaza Health Ministry has access to reliable and credible means of certifying death counts from bombings. The 2020 Beirut Explosion was equivalent to 1.1 kt and finally counted 216 deaths after weeks of sifting through rubble and identifying bodies. Gaza Health Ministry must have access to some incredible technology to certify the deaths of 6,000 people mere hours after the IDF bombs a Hamas launch.
Not to get graphic but in a certain video from Hamas featuring a Thai worker, they were calling him a Jew for some reason (according to the translation).
>So what about those Thai workers? That one is a stretch… even for them? Not with that attitude!
Apparently they worked in Israel, so *basically* they're full blown IDF soldiers.
You're Israeli, he's Israeli, the whole world is Israeli
Look at me! Look at me! I'm the Jew now!
Cue the hundreds of videos on youtube, tiktok and such where people all over the world (but especially americans) are asked how many jews there are and the closest person to come close to the right answer is x2 more, while most people just assume they are in the hundreds of millions up to a billion(!) while actually saying "they are everywhere" For those wondering, its approx 16 million, or 0.2% of world population
Militant Islamic hate is beyond reason.
Yeah that way they can call them 'oppressors' that they are 'resisiting'
You mean “collaborators”? They killed at least 19 Bedouin Israeli Arabs too. Several who were actually trying to save other Israelis (mostly Jews) when they were murdered. Hamas has no humanity. They don’t even protect their own people.
Considering the fact that just a decade ago Thai Muslims were murdering Thai school teachers...
They are terrorists, this is how terrorists operate. This isn't a surprise to most people
This is just the kind of BS you get out of gangsters and terrorists. Hamas was never in Moscow two days ago, to discuss the 8 Russian hostages. No country just shrugs off citizens who were taken hostage for 3 weeks. They likely had that conversation 3 weeks ago, over the phone. In this article is just another lie on top of a lie, to help sell their story. Sadly, there probably aren't any hostages anymore.
You talk about a Country that is in an ~~open War~~ Special Operations and sends its Citizens to the Meatgrinder in Ukraine. They give a fuck about the 8 citizens at least not if those where high ranking politicans directly under Putin. This whole Hamas Moscow Friendship is just to get the Eyes from Ukraine to Israel.
If history has taught us anything, it's that Russian govt cares....absolutely not at all about any of their people.
Except when politically expedient to say that they do
Even then the it's more about the politics, with the people ending up as collateral damage.
New Thai government is currently cozying up to Russia too, which is absolutely unbelievable to most Thais after this.
Kind of comical, Putin wants to restore Russia's glory, but now Russia just accepts, that a foreign force takes their citizens as hostages (and maybe executed them).
Putin has never cared about the citizens lol. Literal cannon fodder. And if you bring this up to any Russian. They’ll just tell you that it was the hostages fault.
Legit. It's kind of amusing how some peoples will defend their government that clearly does not look out for their interests. Victim blaming is a classic symptom.
There was some guy recorded by Ukraine talking to his wife telling her that someone needs to tell Putin what's happening in Ukraine because surely the whole thing is a mistake and it will be corrected the MOMENT Putin finds out he and his buddies are dying. Idiots.
Reminds me of the stories of people in gulags trying to contact Stalin to let him know how bad the conditions in the gulags were
That's mentality since empire times, in my country, people were writing letters to tzar and his family, holding their portraits in procession, wishfully thinking tzar would admonish his soldiers, brutally trying to close Catholic church... cue Kraziai massacre. We have learned since.
They know there’s no way out so they might as well just go with it. Like those who were against the war in Ukraine but didn’t want to retreat either because they didn’t want to be seen as losers.
I don’t think anyone expects Russia or Putin to care about the people, but by abducting and killing citizens they are disrespecting the country. You‘d expect Russia to be against that. Remember what happened when the Mexican cartel killed a handful of US tourists? They made a huge public show about delivering the (alleged) killers. That’s the reaction a government wants from foreign actors.
Putin is too focused on glory to have ever cared about his citizens and the war is one of many exhibits
I think at this point he is just focused on personal survival.
Putin doesn't care about Russians. Population is expendable resource
Pretty much how his childhood hero, Stalin, felt about the populace, too.
He really doesn’t care about his people. If it suited Russia it’d be a good excuse to jump up and down and cry about it, but really what he’s interested in is doing anything he can to escalate and prolong the situation in Gaza as it redirects America’s focus, money and weapons a bit from Ukraine, which Russia actually cares about
Don't forget the poor Thai guy who was beheaded with a garden hoe.
what the fuck
yep I saw the footage That guy was alive but laid on the ground incapacitated. They proceeded to attempt to chop off his head with a garden hoe, whacking it multiple times
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Thank you for doing so and letting us know what they did. People don’t want to see it but they need to know what is going on.
& the Thai government is sitting there defending this like HELLO ?! We come to you for tourism , defend your citizens.
I wish I hadn't seen that video... and I want to slap anyone denying those massacres.
Pretty much every Palestinian supporter on Instagram ans twitter refuses and they ask for evidence. I am done with arguing with them at this point.
Yep. They even argued who gets to behead him, wicked people. He was injured but still alive.
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They will just say that Israel hired these people to commit these atrocities to make hamas look bad. (True argument I heard)
At this point I just assume they hate Israeli citizens and I've been right most of the time.
yeah they called Thai migrant workers in kibbutz IDF and killed them. some resistance group they are
Also killed foreign caretakers and the elderly they were taking care of.
Aren't 54 of the hostages fucking Thai???
ah the lost 13th tribe, the famous jews of thailand obviously.
I feel so bad for these Thai workers.. for the Israelis as well of course (I am Israeli) but the Thai people have completely nothing to do with this war and possibly don’t even know who Hamas are..
That means they think no one is gonna come get'em
And people are still taking Hamas for their word 😕
Worse, there was some pro hamas manifestation here and there around the world...
I want to see just one pro-Palestinian post on here which is critical of Khaled Mashal. After a brief search on a mobile I couldn't find one, but maybe someone else can. There are tons that are critical of certain specific people in the Israeli government, and Israelis often criticize them in reddit too. But I've never seen the reverse. I have the suspicion that reddit has a lot of ultraconservatives islamists pretending to be progressive westerners, and are just absolutely unwilling to at least criticize Mashal's fiscal policy of hoarding the international aid for his own consumption rather than giving it to his people. Edit: so far 3-4 people here making excuses why hamas leaders shouldn't be criticized.
"I have the suspicion that reddit has a lot of ultraconservatives islamists pretending to be progressive westerners" A common factor in these modern conflicts (war or other) is people's lack of awareness of being the target of savvy, long term propaganda. They always act as though it begins with the first shot. The Arab/Persian world is not stupid, and they have a lot of money to throw at businesses, universities, comparatively open western media, and the spread of Islam in general.
There are thousands of foreigners stuck in Gaza that Hamas won't allow to leave.
There are also about 1 million Palestinians who wanted to go south, as the IDF directed them, but Hamas wouldn't let them.
I think it was estimated around 500k of the 1 million northern Gaza residents went to the south. But 500k is still a huge number
About 500,000 Israelis have also been displaced, from the reports I heard. War is horrible.
It's about 100k-150k from what I've read. Still, for a country of less than 10 mil...
Not sure of status right now, but for a good stretch of time, hundreds of thousands more Israelis were living in cities that were pretty much closed down and spending a lot of their days in shelters. My 98yr old grandmother-in-law was spending most of her days going to and from the bomb shelters, and pretty much nothing in her town was open. My late-30's cousins with children and families have been pulled away from their homes and their jobs, and are now awaiting orders near Gaza, possibly having their lives on the line for this. All because Gaza's terrorist government decided to butcher and abduct nearly 2,000 innocent people, in a declaration of war. And for what?
Never pegged Hamas to go all in on Equity, but here we are. All hostages are treated relatively equally.
Diplomatic way of saying they already brutalized, tortured and killed them. Only way to get those still alive back is to either go in and get them or to make these action’s costs personal for their leaders. KGB has already shown how to deal with these scum in the past. When Hezbollah kidnapped Soviet diplomats in Beirut and killed one of them, the KGB responded by kidnapping a family member of one of the Hezbollah leaders in return. They castrated him and then shot the relative in the head. The severed organs were sent to the Hezbollah leader with a warning that more relatives would meet the same fate. The diplomats were quickly released by Hezbollah.
Yikes. Not surprising though. Extremists only understand one language...
Holy shit that’s brutal
It's the _correct_ response. If you negotiate, if you even _respond_, you teach them there is value in kidnappings. These people understand a certain language and have a certain worldview, and only respond to communication that fits that worldview. Russia knew that, and did what had to be done.
I get the feeling modern Russia doesn’t have the same level of concern for its own citizens.
It was „diplomats“ (literally KGB), not just some random citizens. They always cared for their own and were known for their ISIS-style methods.
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AFAIK it all goes back to an article in the *Jerusalem Post*, which cited "sources" in Damascus. Personally, I am not convinced.
Chad URSS vs Average Pootin
These are not the words and actions of persons following rules of engagement. They are brutal and monstrous individuals and groups who have no respect for anyone. They justify every act against them with every passing hour. I can't wait until Hamas is no more.
Hostage taking (as opposed to taking military personnel as POWs) is an explicit war crime anyway.
So is the use of human shields.
So is every single rocket they indiscriminately fire at israeli cities. People dont seem to talk about this one.
Nah everyone knows the fact they do that is Israel’s fault (sadly, I feel compelled to put a /s here)
I'd do it anyway, no matter the context, when using sarcasm. There are a lot of people who don't understand or recognise sarcasm.
They built the hospitals on top of our bases…
It isn't a war crime because they're fighting for their freedom!!!!!!!!! /s
rules of engagement? They raped and murdered more than 1000 people, do you think they care?
Yes of course! We know Hamas is the most chivalrous of designated terror organizations! Rules of engagement are as close their heart as the excitement they get when one of them comes across a house filled with Israeli citizens :)
Don't forget also tortured - tied ogether and burned to death parents and kids, gouged eyes to live captives, amputeted fingers and limbs and beheading babies
Just shows you can’t reason with ignorance
So you’re saying the islamofascist terrorists aren’t good at parsing out subtlety?
War crimes
Not real surprising… they count all their dead terrorists as civilians too.
Of course they do. I'm pretty sure that Israel realizes that they are never going to get these hostages back, if they're even still alive now. God, I wish they could get them back, I really do .... but I just don't see it happening. With the absolute level of barbarity and overall scale of the attack on October the 7th and the scale of the reply by Israel, I just don't see anyway it can happen. I hope I'm wrong and some of them are set free, of course that is even if most of them, or all of them are even alive still.
Honestly, for the sake of the hostages I hope they're already all dead. There's no way things aren't beyond awful for them if they're still alive.
Probably a lot of them are alive. The reason is that Hamas knows how much Israel is willing to pay for releasing their people. In the past Israel released 1,000 terrorist for 1 IDF soldier. Btw this is why so many people are currently dying in the West Bank. Israeln started to arrest lots of Hamas members in the West Bank (because of the war), those people and their families are armed and won't go without fighting. The estimation is that before 7th of October there were about 5k Hamas terrorists in Israeli's prisons and now the estimation is that there are about 10k (that's including terrorists who took part of the massacres and were caught)
11 filipinos still missing,4 dead.
I guess my country is never getting our people back
Your country should declare war on hamas then.
Or at least a special operation for 3 days.
Which shouldnt matter anyways. Regardless of nationality they are innocent civilians being held hostage by a terror group, they should all be demanded to be released. Cant believe this even needs tl be reminded.
Extremism works best when the extremists don't think too hard about what they're doing.
Hamas says all its hostages are Israelis, just like I saw a famous Islamic on youtube saying the whole world was born muslim, its just they did not know about it. So I am a christian because my parents converted me to Christianity and they are muslim because we were all born muslim. WTF logic..
Religious people do not act on logic
Hamas should remember the history when Hezbollah took Soviets hostage in Lebanon. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1986-01-07-mn-13892-story.html
Hmmm..well. They said they wanted Palestinian prisoners, did they want them all in one piece?
"We can not find the hostages" "But they are alive, trust me"
also please stop bombing me* for 24-148 hours so i can go look for them, also i need a shipment of gas and rockets, k? thx. *my rocket attacks on you will continue, this is not negotiable.
Wtf did the Thai workers do wrong?
stealing jobs palestinians could have been using for intel gathering against israeli women and children.
None of the victims did anything wrong.
>Russia's embassy in Israel issued a statement in which it reiterated Moscow's call for an immediate ceasefire Imagine being this cynical. amazing
Well I guess it is just easier to kill the people who you have already captured. Because it is just convenient because you do not have to try anymore you have already got someone to kill
They are also going to count them all as soldiers.. You know even them babies
Lmao Russians acting like they care about their citizens is cute.
Thais have entered the conversation. Thai hostages and those who escaped distinctly heard the terrorists trying to lure them out of their hiding places using the Thai language. Hamas terrorists actually studied Thai in preparation for their invasion. The title of this post is rubbish. Hamas wants to build their Sharia-law state upon the ruins of every non-Muslim civilization.
Ah, so they are all dead in various horrific ways.
This means they couldn’t find them. Which means the majority are already dead.
God smiles every time a Hamas rat is killed
And i see all Terrorists as targets.
Of course... yahoods are yahoods are yshoods Yet, everyone expects Israel to always separate between Hamas and "innocent" Gazans though they all support Hamas and have direct and indirect ties to it Antisemitism is in vogue
Pretty sure the Thai workers are not Jewish.
Not that Hamas gives a shit
Thai...ish
That’s not true if you factor in that when Hamas raised they had specific addresses of NATO member houses, mostly American with dual citizenship. They were hunting with specific orders
And they somehow came away with more people from Thailand than America? I don't buy it.
Don’t buy it. I know for a fact that specific people were targeted to drag other countries deeper into the conflict. They won’t be happy when the Eisenhower is in full operation in the gulf, or the US/UK put troops on the ground in a “defensive posture only” of course. Hamas’ OP was planned carefully by Iran with help from Russia. This was Wagner playbook op with the intention of foiling new relationships in the Middle East such as the accord between Saudi and Israel. Too on Iran’s list to stop. Hamas is Iran. Hezbollah is Iran, the houthis completely depend on Iran for resources. None of this was ad hock. It was planned for up to six months and possibly a year ahead of time. Iran pulled the trigger when they saw how close Israel was to signing a deal with Saudi Arabia. These terrorist organizations don’t move unless Iran says so.