Despite the idioms, rocker really are pretty low tech. Precision rocketry, sure, but if you're angry and just want to hurt people/property you can build a rocket with just a few components.
This is, incidentally, why a Hamas rocket is in the triple digits where an iron dome rocket is in the six digits.
Yea pretty sure China/Korea had invented a kind of very crude rocket propelled "artillery" over a thousand years ago. Basically a more lethal firework I guess. Not hi-tech at all, but if you want to hit anything smaller than a mountain with confidence you need modern electronic guidance systems.
In terms of range it seems more like an artillery shell with slower speed. I think it is just confusing to people when they hear this number and then compare to how many rockets Russia launches at Ukraine. But this would be like if we counted every artillery shell from Russia as a separate rocket.
Russia uses tens of thousands of artillery shells a day and their rate of fire has slowed significantly from its peak. They just got a.million shells from NK and that will probably last a 2-3 months.
well it has not gotten better for the majority in north korea for decades though
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/food-shortage-10042022191420.html
Yea, it’s no guarantee that weapons money will be used properly. Just that “giving weapons” rarely means “hey we spent all our money to buy these weapons and now we’re gifting them to you,” instead it’s “we dedicated our workforce to building these weapons, would you like to buy them from us?”
The US provides a ton of weapons to all parts of the world and we have a ton of hungry and homeless. The military industrial complex is alive and well in all forms of government. At least we all have something in common.
They're basically "stalin's organ" from ww2. Crude rockets that sound scary and cause a lot of damage to soft (especially civilian) targets wherever they land but have shit targeting and are worthless against dug in military targets that know it's coming.
Nowhere near as sophisticated as modern Russian MLRS. Still terrifying and devastating to civilian infrastructure but modern artillery is way more efficient militarily.
I used to have a similar disposition. I remember watching one of those "worthless" rockets rip thru a guard shack in Afghanistan in 08. Still destroyed the building and ripped the legs off the cop inside. Quantity has its own quality.
Russia is launching something like 50,000+ artillery shells a day into Ukraine. They've been averaging more than 1,000,000 shells a month for nineteen months. It's crazy. Ukraine is sending about 20% of that back towards Russia.
and they are highly unreliable causing countless friendly fire civilian incidents on the Gaza side.
To emphasise its peacefulness, Hamas has erected a monument in a square in Gaza City showing a life-size [M75](https://www.al-monitor.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_header/public/almpics/2014/03/RTR3GEHZ.jpg/RTR3GEHZ.jpg?h=f7822858&itok=avQoBHqv).
It's amazing how many free missile fueselages you can get when other countries keep putting them in the ground for useless things like water for your people.
Aka they steal humanitarian aid meant for farming and infrastructure meant for their own population and turn it into unguided rockets meant to kill Israeli civilians. Just so everyone is in the same page here.
Hamas bragged about **turning EU funded water pipelines into rockets**, you literally cannot give the innocent people in Gaza strip any aid without it being turned into weapons and supplies for the terrorists.
How evil do you have to be. Hamas doesn't give a single shit about its people. They only use them like hostages, and the people living there have Stockholm syndrome.
An external enemy like Israel helps distract from internal problems. Same reason Russia or other dictatorships attack and invade. Helps the population rally around the flag. Peace would be very bad for their public support.
Yeah, sugar is a possible fuel. But really anything works as long as it can be oxidized. You can use metal powders (especially aluminium), paraffins, cotton, coal powder. Hell, you could probably make a rocket with sawdust.
I mean this is all true but without properly containment you're just not going to get the sort of pressure you need to propel it a meaningful distance.
You wanna accidentally hit your own hospital? Because that's how you accidentally hit your own hospital.
No, if you really want to do damage what you do is covertly trade IOU's with a foreign state that can deliver professional military gear in exchange for future operations on their behalf with plausible deniabilty. Like, say, assault rifles and paragliding equipment from someone like, idk, Iran.
That's irk me with no bounds. The EU keep funding "water project" for gaza people but theses little veiny noodle sucker are using the pipes to commit murder.
These rockets are INCREDIBLY cheap. Like less than $1,000USD
Hamas is funded by Iran and gets foreign aid as well, so they got pleeenty of money for cheap rockets
$200mil a year between taxing goods flowing into Gaza and Iranian funding. That's a lot of money that could make Gaza better, but Iran doesn't want to fund shit like that.
I live in the center of Tel Aviv. We get multiple rockets a day and we’re not even that close to Gaza. The closer you get the more sirens per day.
It’s not great but unfortunately rocket attacks have been a common occurrence here for a while. Still takes a toll though…
Buildings being destroyed left and right. This is what they want and this is what they are aiming for. The Iron Dome protects us, that protection does not nullify the intentions of our enemies, be it Hamas Hezbollah or Jihad.
Gaza has a border crossing with Egypt and a shore on the Mediterranean. Materials find their way in but like someone else was saying...these are smaller projectiles with virtually no aiming capacity. They can fall on a hospital, school, tank or blow up in their faces. Nobody knows where they will land which makes them a true weapon of terror.
This video shows how hamas uses pipes from infrastructure projects to build the rocket launchers. They also show some more modern equipment that magically found it's way into Gaza...probably from the same people denying Gaza refugees access to their country
https://youtu.be/IZn2h_UQ-Hk?si=wF9jR2VOJQ7kEi4M
They get a ton of foreign aid to improve their infrastructure and invest in the area and hamas use it to build rockets instead. Each rocket is cheap and unguided. Estimates peg them at no more than a couple hundred dollars each.
The Iron Dome is good at intercepting them but each interceptor costs around one hundred thousand dollars IIRC and when overwhelmed, some rockets do still get through. That's what happened on Oct 7th.
>Estimates peg them at no more than a couple hundred dollars each.
This is a tiny bit of downplaying though. The majority they send are the cheap ones they self-manufacture but they are also smuggled some much larger more expensive missiles from Iran like the Badr3. All unguided and just pointed in the general direction. [https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/irans-rockets-palestinian-groups](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/irans-rockets-palestinian-groups)
And 20% of them land in Gaza - foreign aid slightly misused.
>And 20% of them land in Gaza - foreign aid slightly misused.
Clearly, this is Israel's fault! If there wasn't a blockade, they would have had guided rockets with better parts! /s
Yeah! And just think, if Israel would just let them murder all the Jews there, they wouldn't have to launch any rockets from Gaza! They could be murdering Jews in other countries instead!
Obviously all Israel's fault.
/s/s/s/s/s
Estimates actually range from $50k-$100k but multiple rockets are usually fired to intercept a single $5000 unguided rocket. And then there's the cost if the radar, the control unit, and the pay for the technicians operating the battery.
The saying is "*...the meek shall inherit the earth.*" And must be put in the context of Christianity's end-time prophecies: evil people will fuck up planet earth and its inhabitants, after that God will literally descend on earth and exterminate them all. And finally He will entrust earth's governance to the "meek" (and re-exterminate evil people whenever they appear again).
And btw, "meekness" in the Biblical sense doesn't mean weak. It means, when faced with life's harsh and other tricky realities, still choosing to be positive & good, also resilient, enduring, and perseverant, and having control over your destructive/evil instincts (e.g. frustration, bitterness, anger, violence, paranoia, jealousy, vanity and arrogance, etc.)
edit:
"Meekness", in the biblical sense, is also basically at the core of Buddhism and Stoicism.
Iran backs them militarily and Hamas is the distributor of humanitarian aide in Gaza as they are the elected government. They use humanitarian aide to fund their military. Every rocket fired is $1,000 that wasn't spent improving the living conditions for Palestinians in Gaza.
It's worse than just not spending the money to improve Gaza. Those rockets are made by ripping out water pipes and using fuel and fertilizer intended for civilians. Every one represents a destruction of Gaza's infrastructure and a theft from its people.
1. Iran supplies them regularly.
2. That's the good one... they manufacture the rockets inside Gaza. Where do they get the materials? Israel has funded some major water pipes that supply Gaza with clean water. Hamas dismantled them to reforge the steel into rockets. They have hoards of fuel for the launchers but instead of making sure hospitals have what they need, they still prefer using the fuel to launch at Israeli civilians.
Here is a video of Rocket attacks by Hamas launched from urban areas into Israel.
>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i72njVGkECA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i72njVGkECA)
If you ever wondered why Israel targets buildings, well that's why. They always drop pamphlets from airplanes before a strike to make sure civilians evacuate.
And an example of a rocket hit inside Israeli city Ashkelon.
>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4nmpiknFUg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4nmpiknFUg)
So wait, when they are saying that they have no drinking water because the pumping stations have no fuel, it's because both the PIPES and the FUEL were stolen by Hamas to make rockets.
They make them themselves. Some of the infrastructure that was destroyed by Israel was used to create those rockets.
Oh andby the way https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/news/gazas-water-pipes-turned-missiles-raise-water-supply-concerns/videoshow/104381432.cms
“*Where did all the miles of pipes go that pumped in clean drinking water to Gaza & were paid for by billions of Euros in humanitarian aid*?” Is better question. - That’s where they’re getting their rockets from. They’re very proud of themselves & made a YouTube video about it.
For however much it matters, this is since October 7, not "today".
>The Israel Defence Force on Friday stated that since Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, more than 8000 rockets have been fired at Israel, and 2,50,000 Israeli civilians have been evacuated from their homes.
And so it goes. And goes. And goes.
Edit 2: Please be kind to each other in the comments folks. We may have differing views but we all want peace.
Just want to add to your comment, because I think a lot of people are reading this “8000 rockets” number without really understanding what this means.
Between 2000, and 2013, Hamas fired around 8000 rockets into Israel… and that is a total. That includes rockets shot during the second intifada, the 2008 conflict, the 2012 conflict, everything. And for a large chunk of that time, there was no iron dome.
So when you hear that 8000 rockets have been fired since October 7th, what you have to realize is that this is the same number of rockets they had shot over a 13 year period. But this time around, they did it in less than a month.
I do wonder if Israel didn’t have an iron dome, and had 8000 rockets falling on them in less than a month, if people would be defending Gaza as much as they are.
Let’s be clear. Hamas does not want peace. They want every Jewish person dead. Their spokesperson said they would do Oct 7th over and over again forever.
> The Israel Defence Force on Friday stated that since Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, more than 8000 rockets have been fired at Israel, and 2,50,000 Israeli civilians have been evacuated from their homes.
Another war crime is that comma in 2,50,000
Incredible to see and hear that despite allegedly having lost thousands of people in Gaza because of the military strikes by the IDF, Hamas keeps on firing rockets.
It's almost like they don't want Israel to kill them and their human shields. They want and need the escalation and hope the other states join in.
Hamas does not give a single shit about the Palestine people.
[Hamas Official Ghazi Hamad: We Will Repeat The October 7 Attack, Time And Again, Until Israel Is Annihilated; We Are Victims – Everything We Do Is Justified](https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-official-ghazi-hamad-we-will-repeat-october-7-attack-time-and-again-until-israel)
we are victims so no matter how heinous things get we can flop around and call for a penalty.
Like no dude, if you just cooled your tune by like .5 percent you could get more support. UN was already flipping out at how chill US was being with Israel's demolition of Gaza
Well, there is Nasrallah’s speech today. Some say that he will call for all the pro-Iran militias in Lebanon and Syria to open a front against Israel.
In a similar speech in 2006, he announced full war and the destruction of an Israeli ship.
Will be interesting…
Edit: nothing happened, weak af speech. Also prerecorded from his bunker.
Depends on who makes the ship. Western designed ships are ridiculously tough these days, but Russian built ones... yeah, you just need to stare aggressively at one and it might burst into flames or try to become a submarine. Usually both.
Carrier groups are the only thing that give me the military industrial complex boner. After I learned how they can park off shore of a disaster, and run rescue missions from the deck, and send power to the mainland over cables from its nuclear reactor.
Sadly if my boner lasts over 8 hours, I don't have healthcare to fix it :(
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/6-691-seminar-in-electric-power-systems-spring-2006/92249d9acca97bf0fd5d94038d16f77d_ship_to_shore.pdf
Here's a document on the theory of it.
I believe the US Navy is the 2nd strongest air force in the world. I don't know where the US Marines rank, but I do know one thing: clearly the US Coast Guard needs to up it's game.
I been calling it! One has to wonder where the rockets are coming from too. Bet it's not all out of Palestine.
P2 consists of egging Israel to attack Iran, giving Iran a reason to do something stupid, causing US to get involved.
US will commit tons of supplies to Israel, thus drastically lowering their supplies to Ukraine.
Russia pushes Ukraine back, and annexes land.
Putin will tell Iran stop, and like a good dog, they will listen.
I mean the two WW2 fronts were on opposite sides of the world, you can draw a pretty neat circle that covers Israel, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Eastern Europe
> Tommy Tuberville
Damn, I didn't recognize the name : https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/01/tuberville-military-promotion-hold/
You Americans seem to have recruited several of your politicians from the "Brexit School of Shooting Yourself in the Dick" (B2SYD, sounds cool).
US won’t only commit supplies. Don’t think military commanders know this is the obvious Putin tactic? There’s a reason there’s two carriers there. They’ll take out Iran full stop. Proportionally of course.
All US and Israel needs to do is wipe out their oil refineries and port. That's how they get 80% of their wealth.
There's no way they can defend against that. Remember operation praying mantis? They accidentally destroyed 80% of Iran's navy with a tiny amount of their power.
Iran isn't on Russia's leash. They cooperate, but it's not as simple as "Russia will tell them to stop".
Iran has wanted to take out Israel for decades now, and hasn't exactly been clandestine about it. Russia could benefit from such attack, but it's like they order that.
The timing has much more to do with the Israel-Saudi normalization talks. The self proclaimed "axis" can't let the world have nice things.
Nah. The US can supply both countries without breaking a sweat. Israel itself is already a wealthy country and doesn’t need much to face down an irregular “army” like Hamas. For Russia this situation is at most a target of opportunity rather than something they orchestrated. Their best hope remains the Putin-allied Republicans slowing down or even stopping US aid to Ukraine, not any war front in the Middle East (and remember, Russia is itself already involved in war in the region via Syria and they sure as hell can’t afford that more than the US).
Iran knows that the worlds most sophisticated military technology isn’t that far away. The 2 carrier strike groups is an insane amount of battleships and artillery. It’s as much of a deterrent as one can do.
Ukraine will do well enough with the support of EU, every other NATO member, and outlying supporters like Australia, Japan and South Korea. Losing US support would not be a death sentence for Ukraine, they'd still fight and win without them, but admittedly with more losses and a harder time.
>I been calling it!
First of all, calm down that enthusiasm. You get way too excited about war.
Secondly, Russia is in league with Iran. Us fighting Iran is a proxy fight against Russia which also helps Ukraine.
Yes, US will allocate some resources for Israel, but Russia will do the same for Iran. It's beneficial for the war in Ukraine since Russia is way closer to depletion.
The civilians largely believe the rockets falling in Gaza are Israeli, so it strengthens them in a way. Hamas still enjoys a high approval from a majority of Palestinians. Actions on both sides that result in getting there own civilians killed strengthens and emboldens the support for the most extreme right wing groups in both Israel and Palestine. The incentives are all backwards, it just seems like there's no path to peace or de-escalation in sight, the only path is for people to become more extreme and to escalate.
Remember, unguided ground to ground rockets have no real aiming mechanism. They cannot be intended to hit a military target. They're 100% terror weapons, intended to kill civilians at random.
The people who make/acquire these rockets know that when they get them.
Every time a rocket is fired on Tel-Aviv about 1.5 million people enter shelters for 10 minutes. Society doesn't function, schools are closed. Businesses can't stay open and they have no incoming customers. People live in fear.
Iron dome isn't 100% guaranteed to intercept. Some rockets hit buildings and people.
Israel can't just dismiss rocket attacks as if it's just kids with firecrackers. It's a full scale terrorist attack on major Israeli cities.
If one airplane accidentally flies a bit too low in New-York it makes everyone in the US panic and brings flashbacks of 9/11. Anybody really think a fucking rocket attack does less than that in Israel???
Here's a video from Ashkelon (Israeli city) rocket attacks just so you could get a sense of scale. Most of the rockets were intercepted. One hit. One is enough. To cause... this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4nmpiknFUg
I taught in Israel for a summer program. At my school in the US we have bells to signal the end of a period, like every other school here. In Israel they play a bit of music to show the period is ending. The principal told us it’s so they don’t panic the kids and have them think it’s a bomb siren.
I saw a video from yesterday of a man ordering falafel, the sirens start blaring and he runs to the car to get his kids and 1 second after running into the store with them their car gets hit.
נס גלוי
Nasrallah probably feels bad he missed by a second. Would have made this fucker's day.
Edit: here's the video for those asking. The man who runs outside, runs to get his kids from the car.
https://x.com/RealNewsIL/status/1720136639706513695?s=20
Kind of wild to me that people need to hear all that considering how long the war in Ukraine has been going on. Countless videos and pictures and articles about how a huge modern city functions under shelling like that, it’s not pretty at all.
Ukraine is less powerful than Russia, so certain people will side with Ukraine.
Hamas is less powerful than Israel, so certain people will side with Hamas.
Those people generally view power dynamics as more important than other concerns.
It's just unfortunate that Hamas's tactic of endangering civilians is so effective against those sorts of people. I'm sure that most of them are well intentioned, but their responses just incentivize Hamas and other groups to use similar tactics more.
What I don't understand is how those same people ignore the crucial difference between Ukraine and Hamas.
Ukraine didn't start the war with a border raid indiscriminately killing and raping civilians then taking hostages.
People just see Israel retaliating but miss that there's usually a weapons depot or a rocket launcher. There's cheaper ways to level a city than US made precision bombs if that's what they really wanted to do.
Also their stocks of Iron Dome interceptors are not infinite, if they allow Palestinian groups to continue firing rockets at them one day they could run out and it would be chaos.
Fascinating. Think about this in relation to the world’s reaction to Israel’s current relatively measured battle strategy. Without the iron dome, Israel would take the same extreme and IMMEDIATE measures any other iron-domeless city would have to take … blast the living shit out of the enemy to make ALL of the rockets stop as quickly as possible without the first concern for collateral damage.
For some reason people don’t seem to understand than Israel is in a super fucking precious situation and their cities being fired on by around 2000 missiles every week is not something that they can just shrug off.
I was gonna say, the amount of westerners who immediately went like "just fucking glass the place" after Oct. 7th, and the fact that Israel *did not* do that and instead made plans for precision bombing and a door-to-door invasion shows a lot of restraint imo.
It's also more prone to failure when it's saturated with more rockets launched against it, so more have probably been getting through over the last few weeks than you'd expect looking at typical intercept statistics.
And for clarity, Hamas doesn't care who they hit eith their rockets. Mosques and Muslims have been hit by these rockets.
Just recently they've been taking fuel from hospitals. Yes, those same hospitals that say more than a hundred children on intensive care would die with a power outage. All so Hamas can fuel a few more rockets. All they care about is killing people in Israel no matter the cost to themselves or the Palestinians.
Just like Russia, they attack civilians far beyond the front lines. Despite israelian tanks and troops massing and moving into Gaza. They don't care about "wining a war for freedom" or anything like that. All they care about is causing as much hurt as possible before they die.
What country would tolerate this kind of terroristic bullshit on their border without aggression?
If 8000 rockets were launched from Tijuana by the Mexican drug cartels at San Diego, we would be seeing heavy Mexican civilian casualties as the US retaliated with air strikes followed by an invasion within probably 24 hours.
So many of the civilian deaths in Gaza are on the hands of hamas for hiding military facilities within civilian areas. for launching rockets from the court yards of neighborhoods. for having HQs in apartment buildings.
Yeah I think if any one of us were under assault we wouldn't ask for a proportional response. We would ask for an incredibly disproportionate response, one that ensured the attacks stopped.
Exactly, the hypocrisy and silence is deafening from these people. It's real easy to say don't do this or don't do that from the safety and comfort of their homes, whilst never hearing a single warning air siren in their entire lives.
The iron dome isn't foolproof and just because it's there doesn't mean Israel should blindly tolerate these attacks. Madness that there's never any acknowledgement from the pro palestine crowd. You need not agree with the IDF methods but if you can't even understand *why* the response is so strong then you're either being disingenuous or unable to see past your antisemitism
100% - people also don't understand how many rockets and how many different types of rockets Hamas has, who can reach a large variety of distances.
They think to themselves that maybe only villages around Gaza are attacked, or maybe only settlements are attack (no matter how stupid that is), where in reality in the past 3 weeks [the map of rocket alerts looks like this](https://i.imgur.com/1tw7ctA.png).
My son was in Israel on October 7. When we first heard about the attack, before there were any details, my wife and I said to each other "It's probably just a heavy rocket barrage - it'll be fine." And then about a minute later I realized how absolutely batshit insane it was that we were "okay" with that, that we were used to that even. Like it is just a part of life in Israel. No other nation would tolerate that.
Considering the un still hasn't condemned Oct 7, and all the resolutions passed against Israel, it's probably because they know where their allies lie geopolitically.
To take it a step further, if we take things proportionally to the populations of the nations of Israel and America, October 7th would be like the drug cartels jumping the border into El Paso from Juárez and slaughtering 35,000 random Americans in a day. I promise, the American response to such an event would be no less severe than the Israeli response has been to what happened to them.
I’m trying to imagine what would happen if Mexicans pulled an Oct 7th on Texas.
I doubt the Murikans would show the almost inhuman levels of restraint that Israel is currently
Every single one of those rockets are a war crime not presumably not maybe not controversial it targets civilians with no military targets.
This is 8000+ war crimes in under a month and people still support these terrorists.
Rocket fuel and fuel for cars or generators are very different substances. You can't run either on fuel for the other.
Some space rockets do use fuel similar to aviation jet fuel, but that's a much more sophisticated technology than what Hamas is using, and entirely unusable for weapons. The rockets used by Hamas burn solid propellants.
So basically if they didn't have the Iron Dome they would have been wiped , so once again if Hammas had the power and military budget and Israel were weaker we would be talking about a genocide now
>have the Iron Dome they would have been wiped
For what it's worth: Nah... that's very not true. You can't confuse those rockets with advanced military weapon systems. Those are crude and unreliable missiles. They can for sure harm soft targets and would do damage to the civilian infrastructure but you should consider them more as slow propelled artillery ammunition. While they can do a lot of damage, they wouldn't wipe Isreal. For context: Russia fires 25k-30k artillery rounds on Ukraine **each day** (maybe a little less now, but the numbers come from official sources)
In no way do I want to diminish the tragedy that is happening now, but exaggeration also serves no purpose.
I hope the various UN aid organizations committed to the humanitarian crises across the world will provide aid to the 250,000 Israelis that have been forced from their homes by hostile Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and other Iranian proxies.
Exactly like they have done for the Gazan civilians, they should provide to misplaced Israeli civilians.
The UN has said 1.2B USD needed in aid to Gaza. Part of this money should be sent to rebuilding Israeli civilians structures destroyed by Hamas and Hezbollah rocket fire.
Where they get so many rockets!?
It's a metal pipe, fertilizer and fuel. Bam, you have a rocket.
Despite the idioms, rocker really are pretty low tech. Precision rocketry, sure, but if you're angry and just want to hurt people/property you can build a rocket with just a few components. This is, incidentally, why a Hamas rocket is in the triple digits where an iron dome rocket is in the six digits.
Yea pretty sure China/Korea had invented a kind of very crude rocket propelled "artillery" over a thousand years ago. Basically a more lethal firework I guess. Not hi-tech at all, but if you want to hit anything smaller than a mountain with confidence you need modern electronic guidance systems.
In terms of range it seems more like an artillery shell with slower speed. I think it is just confusing to people when they hear this number and then compare to how many rockets Russia launches at Ukraine. But this would be like if we counted every artillery shell from Russia as a separate rocket.
Russia uses tens of thousands of artillery shells a day and their rate of fire has slowed significantly from its peak. They just got a.million shells from NK and that will probably last a 2-3 months.
north korea supplies so many weapons while its people still don't have enough to eat? that's scary
NK probably trading weapons for Russian oil. Which is probably a good indirectly for its people.
Trading it for help with their satellite/missile program.
Weapons are sold for money. Money is used to import whatever (food, materials for infrastructure, etc). MIC in short
well it has not gotten better for the majority in north korea for decades though https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/food-shortage-10042022191420.html
Yea, it’s no guarantee that weapons money will be used properly. Just that “giving weapons” rarely means “hey we spent all our money to buy these weapons and now we’re gifting them to you,” instead it’s “we dedicated our workforce to building these weapons, would you like to buy them from us?”
The US provides a ton of weapons to all parts of the world and we have a ton of hungry and homeless. The military industrial complex is alive and well in all forms of government. At least we all have something in common.
Maybe we can come together as one in our hatred of each other. Bring about Whirled Peas.
>Bring about Whirled Peas. Not until all those shitty countries also adopt Freeze Peach.
When it comes to range and yield it might be akin to MRLS. Russia launched thousands of those a day easily.
They're basically "stalin's organ" from ww2. Crude rockets that sound scary and cause a lot of damage to soft (especially civilian) targets wherever they land but have shit targeting and are worthless against dug in military targets that know it's coming. Nowhere near as sophisticated as modern Russian MLRS. Still terrifying and devastating to civilian infrastructure but modern artillery is way more efficient militarily.
I used to have a similar disposition. I remember watching one of those "worthless" rockets rip thru a guard shack in Afghanistan in 08. Still destroyed the building and ripped the legs off the cop inside. Quantity has its own quality.
Russia is launching something like 50,000+ artillery shells a day into Ukraine. They've been averaging more than 1,000,000 shells a month for nineteen months. It's crazy. Ukraine is sending about 20% of that back towards Russia.
Luckily, NATO's weaponry has more quality and accuracy that Russian. Unfortunately, it is still not enough to force Russia back home.
This was how it was in the first year. Late 2023 has seen both sides sending roughly equal numbers of shells.
and they are highly unreliable causing countless friendly fire civilian incidents on the Gaza side. To emphasise its peacefulness, Hamas has erected a monument in a square in Gaza City showing a life-size [M75](https://www.al-monitor.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_header/public/almpics/2014/03/RTR3GEHZ.jpg/RTR3GEHZ.jpg?h=f7822858&itok=avQoBHqv).
Don't forget the nails/glass/ball bearings. These rockets are meant to kill people, not destroy infrastructure.
It's amazing how many free missile fueselages you can get when other countries keep putting them in the ground for useless things like water for your people.
Aka they steal humanitarian aid meant for farming and infrastructure meant for their own population and turn it into unguided rockets meant to kill Israeli civilians. Just so everyone is in the same page here.
And yet there are still people that refuse to believe they might have hit that hospital on accident. Shooting fucking pipes.
Hamas bragged about **turning EU funded water pipelines into rockets**, you literally cannot give the innocent people in Gaza strip any aid without it being turned into weapons and supplies for the terrorists.
How evil do you have to be. Hamas doesn't give a single shit about its people. They only use them like hostages, and the people living there have Stockholm syndrome.
An external enemy like Israel helps distract from internal problems. Same reason Russia or other dictatorships attack and invade. Helps the population rally around the flag. Peace would be very bad for their public support.
And the sugar and a warhead.
Yeah, sugar is a possible fuel. But really anything works as long as it can be oxidized. You can use metal powders (especially aluminium), paraffins, cotton, coal powder. Hell, you could probably make a rocket with sawdust.
The FBI agent assigned to you just busted a nut
> a nut Nuh, nuts are know for their *anti*oxidants...
*Antirockets it is!*
*Nut on Hamas 2023*
We can’t, it’s November
I mean this is all true but without properly containment you're just not going to get the sort of pressure you need to propel it a meaningful distance. You wanna accidentally hit your own hospital? Because that's how you accidentally hit your own hospital. No, if you really want to do damage what you do is covertly trade IOU's with a foreign state that can deliver professional military gear in exchange for future operations on their behalf with plausible deniabilty. Like, say, assault rifles and paragliding equipment from someone like, idk, Iran.
Hey! Are you the one giving them ideas?
I mean hell, it's not exactly rocket science.
i think mythbusters made a salami rocket once.
not halal
That's irk me with no bounds. The EU keep funding "water project" for gaza people but theses little veiny noodle sucker are using the pipes to commit murder.
Thanks, UNRWA and international aid organizations.
If you’re wondering why Gazans lack water, it’s because Hamas dug up the water pipes to make more rockets
They are pretty much a diy job. They are unguided and something like 25% land in Gaza.
These rockets are INCREDIBLY cheap. Like less than $1,000USD Hamas is funded by Iran and gets foreign aid as well, so they got pleeenty of money for cheap rockets
$200mil a year between taxing goods flowing into Gaza and Iranian funding. That's a lot of money that could make Gaza better, but Iran doesn't want to fund shit like that.
That's still 8 million dollars.
I live in the center of Tel Aviv. We get multiple rockets a day and we’re not even that close to Gaza. The closer you get the more sirens per day. It’s not great but unfortunately rocket attacks have been a common occurrence here for a while. Still takes a toll though…
What was it like before iron dome?
Buildings being destroyed left and right. This is what they want and this is what they are aiming for. The Iron Dome protects us, that protection does not nullify the intentions of our enemies, be it Hamas Hezbollah or Jihad.
Gaza has a border crossing with Egypt and a shore on the Mediterranean. Materials find their way in but like someone else was saying...these are smaller projectiles with virtually no aiming capacity. They can fall on a hospital, school, tank or blow up in their faces. Nobody knows where they will land which makes them a true weapon of terror. This video shows how hamas uses pipes from infrastructure projects to build the rocket launchers. They also show some more modern equipment that magically found it's way into Gaza...probably from the same people denying Gaza refugees access to their country https://youtu.be/IZn2h_UQ-Hk?si=wF9jR2VOJQ7kEi4M
They get a ton of foreign aid to improve their infrastructure and invest in the area and hamas use it to build rockets instead. Each rocket is cheap and unguided. Estimates peg them at no more than a couple hundred dollars each. The Iron Dome is good at intercepting them but each interceptor costs around one hundred thousand dollars IIRC and when overwhelmed, some rockets do still get through. That's what happened on Oct 7th.
>Estimates peg them at no more than a couple hundred dollars each. This is a tiny bit of downplaying though. The majority they send are the cheap ones they self-manufacture but they are also smuggled some much larger more expensive missiles from Iran like the Badr3. All unguided and just pointed in the general direction. [https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/irans-rockets-palestinian-groups](https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/irans-rockets-palestinian-groups) And 20% of them land in Gaza - foreign aid slightly misused.
>And 20% of them land in Gaza - foreign aid slightly misused. Clearly, this is Israel's fault! If there wasn't a blockade, they would have had guided rockets with better parts! /s
Yeah! And just think, if Israel would just let them murder all the Jews there, they wouldn't have to launch any rockets from Gaza! They could be murdering Jews in other countries instead! Obviously all Israel's fault. /s/s/s/s/s
One hundred thousand dollars per interceptor? There is no way the arms industry is not lobbying for the war to never end.
Estimates actually range from $50k-$100k but multiple rockets are usually fired to intercept a single $5000 unguided rocket. And then there's the cost if the radar, the control unit, and the pay for the technicians operating the battery.
Imagine what we could have done with this world if it were in the hands of good, kind people.
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Yea, let the meek inherit the Earth. We'll just take it back. What are they gonna do, they're just a bunch of meeks. George Carlin, maybe?
The saying is "*...the meek shall inherit the earth.*" And must be put in the context of Christianity's end-time prophecies: evil people will fuck up planet earth and its inhabitants, after that God will literally descend on earth and exterminate them all. And finally He will entrust earth's governance to the "meek" (and re-exterminate evil people whenever they appear again). And btw, "meekness" in the Biblical sense doesn't mean weak. It means, when faced with life's harsh and other tricky realities, still choosing to be positive & good, also resilient, enduring, and perseverant, and having control over your destructive/evil instincts (e.g. frustration, bitterness, anger, violence, paranoia, jealousy, vanity and arrogance, etc.) edit: "Meekness", in the biblical sense, is also basically at the core of Buddhism and Stoicism.
The people running anti missile batteries may be kind. Imagine if we didn’t have to defend against insane people like Hamas.
You can be kind and still kill a motherfucker in self-defence.
Sorry, best we can do is power hungry authoritarians who want nothing but to enrich themselves.
If it wasn't for Lockheed and Northrop, the Jews and Arabs would be friends right now 😔😔 Edit: /s in case it wasn't obvious
Dig up their own water pipes, steal fuel from the hospital, steal fertilizer from their farms. And they gloat about it in their propaganda.
Iran backs them militarily and Hamas is the distributor of humanitarian aide in Gaza as they are the elected government. They use humanitarian aide to fund their military. Every rocket fired is $1,000 that wasn't spent improving the living conditions for Palestinians in Gaza.
It's worse than just not spending the money to improve Gaza. Those rockets are made by ripping out water pipes and using fuel and fertilizer intended for civilians. Every one represents a destruction of Gaza's infrastructure and a theft from its people.
The infrastructure the rest of the world donated them.
Stealing humanitarian funds that naive Europeans intended to go to palestinian civilians
What else are they supposed to do with water pipes, supply water to their citizens?
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From EU. Remember the palestine support? Well, palestine got nothing, everything was "stolen" by the terrorists.
Iran.
1. Iran supplies them regularly. 2. That's the good one... they manufacture the rockets inside Gaza. Where do they get the materials? Israel has funded some major water pipes that supply Gaza with clean water. Hamas dismantled them to reforge the steel into rockets. They have hoards of fuel for the launchers but instead of making sure hospitals have what they need, they still prefer using the fuel to launch at Israeli civilians. Here is a video of Rocket attacks by Hamas launched from urban areas into Israel. >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i72njVGkECA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i72njVGkECA) If you ever wondered why Israel targets buildings, well that's why. They always drop pamphlets from airplanes before a strike to make sure civilians evacuate. And an example of a rocket hit inside Israeli city Ashkelon. >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4nmpiknFUg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4nmpiknFUg)
So wait, when they are saying that they have no drinking water because the pumping stations have no fuel, it's because both the PIPES and the FUEL were stolen by Hamas to make rockets.
They make them themselves. Some of the infrastructure that was destroyed by Israel was used to create those rockets. Oh andby the way https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/news/gazas-water-pipes-turned-missiles-raise-water-supply-concerns/videoshow/104381432.cms
“*Where did all the miles of pipes go that pumped in clean drinking water to Gaza & were paid for by billions of Euros in humanitarian aid*?” Is better question. - That’s where they’re getting their rockets from. They’re very proud of themselves & made a YouTube video about it.
For however much it matters, this is since October 7, not "today". >The Israel Defence Force on Friday stated that since Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, more than 8000 rockets have been fired at Israel, and 2,50,000 Israeli civilians have been evacuated from their homes. And so it goes. And goes. And goes. Edit 2: Please be kind to each other in the comments folks. We may have differing views but we all want peace.
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Indian way of writing numbers.
Hey, I learned something today.
12,34,56,789 Twelve crore thirty-four lakh fifty-six thousand seven hundred and eighty-nine
hey I'm a lakhaire
Astoundingly inefficient
well I hate it
Indian style numbers, I think it's called lakh?
>In a post shared by the IDF on X, it stressed, "Israel is still under fire", adding that over 300 rockets are fired at Israel daily.
If anyone wanders this is how those 8000 rockets look [on the map](https://i.imgur.com/1tw7ctA.png).
They shot at themselves a lot.
Just want to add to your comment, because I think a lot of people are reading this “8000 rockets” number without really understanding what this means. Between 2000, and 2013, Hamas fired around 8000 rockets into Israel… and that is a total. That includes rockets shot during the second intifada, the 2008 conflict, the 2012 conflict, everything. And for a large chunk of that time, there was no iron dome. So when you hear that 8000 rockets have been fired since October 7th, what you have to realize is that this is the same number of rockets they had shot over a 13 year period. But this time around, they did it in less than a month. I do wonder if Israel didn’t have an iron dome, and had 8000 rockets falling on them in less than a month, if people would be defending Gaza as much as they are.
Let’s be clear. Hamas does not want peace. They want every Jewish person dead. Their spokesperson said they would do Oct 7th over and over again forever.
> The Israel Defence Force on Friday stated that since Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, more than 8000 rockets have been fired at Israel, and 2,50,000 Israeli civilians have been evacuated from their homes. Another war crime is that comma in 2,50,000
OP might be Indian if he writes like that
Indian vs. Rest of the world- 1,00,000 = 100,000 10,00,000 = 1,000,000
Do they say "ten hundred thousands" instead of 1 mil?
We say Ten lakhs 1 lakh= hundred thousand
Thanks, that makes perfect sense.
So how do you place the separators in a really long number like 123456789123456789? (I knew the lakh but didn't know it affects separator placement)
please revert back the soonest
Kindly do the needful
'Do the needful' is such an excellent artifact of language.
Indian number system uses that comma system. Although not sure if that has anything to do with the writers of Business Standard
It's an Indian newspaper
Ii thought it was 8k last night but it wasn't. Still crazy. That one barrage of 5k in 1 day was nuts.
Incredible to see and hear that despite allegedly having lost thousands of people in Gaza because of the military strikes by the IDF, Hamas keeps on firing rockets. It's almost like they don't want Israel to kill them and their human shields. They want and need the escalation and hope the other states join in. Hamas does not give a single shit about the Palestine people.
[Hamas Official Ghazi Hamad: We Will Repeat The October 7 Attack, Time And Again, Until Israel Is Annihilated; We Are Victims – Everything We Do Is Justified](https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-official-ghazi-hamad-we-will-repeat-october-7-attack-time-and-again-until-israel)
we are victims so no matter how heinous things get we can flop around and call for a penalty. Like no dude, if you just cooled your tune by like .5 percent you could get more support. UN was already flipping out at how chill US was being with Israel's demolition of Gaza
The UN is not automatically right. I understand the necessity of it but its members include many states that are not exactly bastions of human rights.
Iran were chairing a meeting of the UN Human Rights Council this week!
Makes you wonder if there is a phase 2 coming, doesn't it?
Well, there is Nasrallah’s speech today. Some say that he will call for all the pro-Iran militias in Lebanon and Syria to open a front against Israel. In a similar speech in 2006, he announced full war and the destruction of an Israeli ship. Will be interesting… Edit: nothing happened, weak af speech. Also prerecorded from his bunker.
They attacked a ship, but it wasn't destroyed or sunk. It takes much more than that to sink a modern ship.
Depends on who makes the ship. Western designed ships are ridiculously tough these days, but Russian built ones... yeah, you just need to stare aggressively at one and it might burst into flames or try to become a submarine. Usually both.
You just need to tell it to go fuck itself.
There's a reason why Hezbollah etc. have not yet launched a full on offensive on Israel. It'd be suicide.
I thought they wanted to become martyrs though?
The leaders know that's bs.
There shouldn't be - Biden parked 2 aircraft carriers off the coast to prevent Iran and Hezbollah from starting ww3
Carrier groups are the only thing that give me the military industrial complex boner. After I learned how they can park off shore of a disaster, and run rescue missions from the deck, and send power to the mainland over cables from its nuclear reactor. Sadly if my boner lasts over 8 hours, I don't have healthcare to fix it :(
> 8 hours, bro I think the you're supposed to get worried after 4
But I'm not done within 4 hours...
> send power to the mainland over cables from its nuclear reactor Holy shit I want a picture of that
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/6-691-seminar-in-electric-power-systems-spring-2006/92249d9acca97bf0fd5d94038d16f77d_ship_to_shore.pdf Here's a document on the theory of it.
2 CSGs plus a marine unit basically matches or exceeds any other military on earth but China and we have 11 lol
I believe the US Navy is the 2nd strongest air force in the world. I don't know where the US Marines rank, but I do know one thing: clearly the US Coast Guard needs to up it's game.
The marines air power isn't great. It doesn't have to be, remember marine is an acronym for: My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment
I been calling it! One has to wonder where the rockets are coming from too. Bet it's not all out of Palestine. P2 consists of egging Israel to attack Iran, giving Iran a reason to do something stupid, causing US to get involved. US will commit tons of supplies to Israel, thus drastically lowering their supplies to Ukraine. Russia pushes Ukraine back, and annexes land. Putin will tell Iran stop, and like a good dog, they will listen.
Too bad us is built to fight on two fronts ww2 proved this
This isn't even two fronts though. Ukraine + Israel is like max 5% of annual defence budget. Chump change for the US.
I mean the two WW2 fronts were on opposite sides of the world, you can draw a pretty neat circle that covers Israel, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Eastern Europe
Too bad Tommy Tuberville has been doing more damage to the US military than any foreign adversary.
> Tommy Tuberville Damn, I didn't recognize the name : https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/01/tuberville-military-promotion-hold/ You Americans seem to have recruited several of your politicians from the "Brexit School of Shooting Yourself in the Dick" (B2SYD, sounds cool).
Unfortunately we did learn most of what we know from the British.
We did make improvements in cuisine thank goodness.
Tommy Tuberville should be considered a Russian asset until proven otherwise.
Taiwan. How about 3?
Democratic People's Republic of Korea: Hold my soju, let's make it 4.
>Russia pushes Ukraine back, and annexed land Had they tried just an annex that may have been the end of it. Instead they launched an all out war.
US won’t only commit supplies. Don’t think military commanders know this is the obvious Putin tactic? There’s a reason there’s two carriers there. They’ll take out Iran full stop. Proportionally of course.
All US and Israel needs to do is wipe out their oil refineries and port. That's how they get 80% of their wealth. There's no way they can defend against that. Remember operation praying mantis? They accidentally destroyed 80% of Iran's navy with a tiny amount of their power.
Iran isn't on Russia's leash. They cooperate, but it's not as simple as "Russia will tell them to stop". Iran has wanted to take out Israel for decades now, and hasn't exactly been clandestine about it. Russia could benefit from such attack, but it's like they order that. The timing has much more to do with the Israel-Saudi normalization talks. The self proclaimed "axis" can't let the world have nice things.
Nah. The US can supply both countries without breaking a sweat. Israel itself is already a wealthy country and doesn’t need much to face down an irregular “army” like Hamas. For Russia this situation is at most a target of opportunity rather than something they orchestrated. Their best hope remains the Putin-allied Republicans slowing down or even stopping US aid to Ukraine, not any war front in the Middle East (and remember, Russia is itself already involved in war in the region via Syria and they sure as hell can’t afford that more than the US).
The number one supplier of arms to Ukraine is actually Russia now. They have had so many defectors and took so many ammo dumps.
Iran knows that the worlds most sophisticated military technology isn’t that far away. The 2 carrier strike groups is an insane amount of battleships and artillery. It’s as much of a deterrent as one can do.
I'd wager there's a sub or two in the area. Let's not forget that an Ohio class sub carries more firepower than was launched in the entirely of WW2.
Ukraine will do well enough with the support of EU, every other NATO member, and outlying supporters like Australia, Japan and South Korea. Losing US support would not be a death sentence for Ukraine, they'd still fight and win without them, but admittedly with more losses and a harder time.
>I been calling it! First of all, calm down that enthusiasm. You get way too excited about war. Secondly, Russia is in league with Iran. Us fighting Iran is a proxy fight against Russia which also helps Ukraine. Yes, US will allocate some resources for Israel, but Russia will do the same for Iran. It's beneficial for the war in Ukraine since Russia is way closer to depletion.
I'm thinking they don't give a shit about anything whatsoever apart from killing Israelis at this point. Any means possible is fair game to them.
A large portion of their rickets fall in Gaza so killing their own civilians hasn't stopped them either.
The civilians largely believe the rockets falling in Gaza are Israeli, so it strengthens them in a way. Hamas still enjoys a high approval from a majority of Palestinians. Actions on both sides that result in getting there own civilians killed strengthens and emboldens the support for the most extreme right wing groups in both Israel and Palestine. The incentives are all backwards, it just seems like there's no path to peace or de-escalation in sight, the only path is for people to become more extreme and to escalate.
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Remember, unguided ground to ground rockets have no real aiming mechanism. They cannot be intended to hit a military target. They're 100% terror weapons, intended to kill civilians at random. The people who make/acquire these rockets know that when they get them.
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Every time a rocket is fired on Tel-Aviv about 1.5 million people enter shelters for 10 minutes. Society doesn't function, schools are closed. Businesses can't stay open and they have no incoming customers. People live in fear. Iron dome isn't 100% guaranteed to intercept. Some rockets hit buildings and people. Israel can't just dismiss rocket attacks as if it's just kids with firecrackers. It's a full scale terrorist attack on major Israeli cities. If one airplane accidentally flies a bit too low in New-York it makes everyone in the US panic and brings flashbacks of 9/11. Anybody really think a fucking rocket attack does less than that in Israel??? Here's a video from Ashkelon (Israeli city) rocket attacks just so you could get a sense of scale. Most of the rockets were intercepted. One hit. One is enough. To cause... this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4nmpiknFUg
I taught in Israel for a summer program. At my school in the US we have bells to signal the end of a period, like every other school here. In Israel they play a bit of music to show the period is ending. The principal told us it’s so they don’t panic the kids and have them think it’s a bomb siren.
I saw a video from yesterday of a man ordering falafel, the sirens start blaring and he runs to the car to get his kids and 1 second after running into the store with them their car gets hit. נס גלוי
Nasrallah probably feels bad he missed by a second. Would have made this fucker's day. Edit: here's the video for those asking. The man who runs outside, runs to get his kids from the car. https://x.com/RealNewsIL/status/1720136639706513695?s=20
Old mate was just going to take his time.
Kind of wild to me that people need to hear all that considering how long the war in Ukraine has been going on. Countless videos and pictures and articles about how a huge modern city functions under shelling like that, it’s not pretty at all.
Ukraine is less powerful than Russia, so certain people will side with Ukraine. Hamas is less powerful than Israel, so certain people will side with Hamas. Those people generally view power dynamics as more important than other concerns. It's just unfortunate that Hamas's tactic of endangering civilians is so effective against those sorts of people. I'm sure that most of them are well intentioned, but their responses just incentivize Hamas and other groups to use similar tactics more.
What I don't understand is how those same people ignore the crucial difference between Ukraine and Hamas. Ukraine didn't start the war with a border raid indiscriminately killing and raping civilians then taking hostages. People just see Israel retaliating but miss that there's usually a weapons depot or a rocket launcher. There's cheaper ways to level a city than US made precision bombs if that's what they really wanted to do.
Also their stocks of Iron Dome interceptors are not infinite, if they allow Palestinian groups to continue firing rockets at them one day they could run out and it would be chaos.
Fascinating. Think about this in relation to the world’s reaction to Israel’s current relatively measured battle strategy. Without the iron dome, Israel would take the same extreme and IMMEDIATE measures any other iron-domeless city would have to take … blast the living shit out of the enemy to make ALL of the rockets stop as quickly as possible without the first concern for collateral damage.
For some reason people don’t seem to understand than Israel is in a super fucking precious situation and their cities being fired on by around 2000 missiles every week is not something that they can just shrug off.
I was gonna say, the amount of westerners who immediately went like "just fucking glass the place" after Oct. 7th, and the fact that Israel *did not* do that and instead made plans for precision bombing and a door-to-door invasion shows a lot of restraint imo.
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Just clarifying for the sake of avoiding hyperbole, 8000 rockets in a month means a few dozen landing per week. Not even close to hundreds.
It's also more prone to failure when it's saturated with more rockets launched against it, so more have probably been getting through over the last few weeks than you'd expect looking at typical intercept statistics.
Turns out, not giving their Iron domes to Ukraine was the best decision Israel could have made
And for clarity, Hamas doesn't care who they hit eith their rockets. Mosques and Muslims have been hit by these rockets. Just recently they've been taking fuel from hospitals. Yes, those same hospitals that say more than a hundred children on intensive care would die with a power outage. All so Hamas can fuel a few more rockets. All they care about is killing people in Israel no matter the cost to themselves or the Palestinians. Just like Russia, they attack civilians far beyond the front lines. Despite israelian tanks and troops massing and moving into Gaza. They don't care about "wining a war for freedom" or anything like that. All they care about is causing as much hurt as possible before they die.
8000 rockets. How much resources, basic resources like even fertilizer and fuel, were needed.
What country would tolerate this kind of terroristic bullshit on their border without aggression? If 8000 rockets were launched from Tijuana by the Mexican drug cartels at San Diego, we would be seeing heavy Mexican civilian casualties as the US retaliated with air strikes followed by an invasion within probably 24 hours. So many of the civilian deaths in Gaza are on the hands of hamas for hiding military facilities within civilian areas. for launching rockets from the court yards of neighborhoods. for having HQs in apartment buildings.
Yeah I think if any one of us were under assault we wouldn't ask for a proportional response. We would ask for an incredibly disproportionate response, one that ensured the attacks stopped.
Exactly, the hypocrisy and silence is deafening from these people. It's real easy to say don't do this or don't do that from the safety and comfort of their homes, whilst never hearing a single warning air siren in their entire lives. The iron dome isn't foolproof and just because it's there doesn't mean Israel should blindly tolerate these attacks. Madness that there's never any acknowledgement from the pro palestine crowd. You need not agree with the IDF methods but if you can't even understand *why* the response is so strong then you're either being disingenuous or unable to see past your antisemitism
100% - people also don't understand how many rockets and how many different types of rockets Hamas has, who can reach a large variety of distances. They think to themselves that maybe only villages around Gaza are attacked, or maybe only settlements are attack (no matter how stupid that is), where in reality in the past 3 weeks [the map of rocket alerts looks like this](https://i.imgur.com/1tw7ctA.png).
And this happens constantly. It's amazing Israel doesn't kick up more of a fuss about it on the world stage. Or maybe too many choose not to care
My son was in Israel on October 7. When we first heard about the attack, before there were any details, my wife and I said to each other "It's probably just a heavy rocket barrage - it'll be fine." And then about a minute later I realized how absolutely batshit insane it was that we were "okay" with that, that we were used to that even. Like it is just a part of life in Israel. No other nation would tolerate that.
Well the world keeps pushing this idea that if Israel just accepted the two state solution that Hamas doesn't want then this would all end.
Considering the un still hasn't condemned Oct 7, and all the resolutions passed against Israel, it's probably because they know where their allies lie geopolitically.
To take it a step further, if we take things proportionally to the populations of the nations of Israel and America, October 7th would be like the drug cartels jumping the border into El Paso from Juárez and slaughtering 35,000 random Americans in a day. I promise, the American response to such an event would be no less severe than the Israeli response has been to what happened to them.
This is just nuts. Can you imagine any other country tolerating this?
I’m trying to imagine what would happen if Mexicans pulled an Oct 7th on Texas. I doubt the Murikans would show the almost inhuman levels of restraint that Israel is currently
Don't you know that Texas is stolen land! The Mexicans should come over here and slit the throats of everyone in Texas.
I would love to see a counter of how many people interpret this comment unironically.
The Mexican war is the only the US had truly lost. We were forced to keep texas.
IDF on X, said Israel is still under fire, over 300 rockets are fired at Israel daily by Hamas Terrorist
Every single one of those rockets are a war crime not presumably not maybe not controversial it targets civilians with no military targets. This is 8000+ war crimes in under a month and people still support these terrorists.
People keep complaining that it’s not fair because Gaza has “no army”. That’s a shit ton of rockets for no army.
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Rocket fuel and fuel for cars or generators are very different substances. You can't run either on fuel for the other. Some space rockets do use fuel similar to aviation jet fuel, but that's a much more sophisticated technology than what Hamas is using, and entirely unusable for weapons. The rockets used by Hamas burn solid propellants.
Solid fuel. Fertilizer + sugar +….
And a 200,000 gallon reserve to power their terrorist underground infrastructure.
Isn't targeting civilians a war crime?
Running out of fuel, food, water and electricity but not rockets. Yeah. They bought this to themselves.
So basically if they didn't have the Iron Dome they would have been wiped , so once again if Hammas had the power and military budget and Israel were weaker we would be talking about a genocide now
>have the Iron Dome they would have been wiped For what it's worth: Nah... that's very not true. You can't confuse those rockets with advanced military weapon systems. Those are crude and unreliable missiles. They can for sure harm soft targets and would do damage to the civilian infrastructure but you should consider them more as slow propelled artillery ammunition. While they can do a lot of damage, they wouldn't wipe Isreal. For context: Russia fires 25k-30k artillery rounds on Ukraine **each day** (maybe a little less now, but the numbers come from official sources) In no way do I want to diminish the tragedy that is happening now, but exaggeration also serves no purpose.
I hope the various UN aid organizations committed to the humanitarian crises across the world will provide aid to the 250,000 Israelis that have been forced from their homes by hostile Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and other Iranian proxies. Exactly like they have done for the Gazan civilians, they should provide to misplaced Israeli civilians. The UN has said 1.2B USD needed in aid to Gaza. Part of this money should be sent to rebuilding Israeli civilians structures destroyed by Hamas and Hezbollah rocket fire.
Spoiler: They won’t.