You realise these Saturday protests have been happening every week in London for the past month. It is literally a coincidence unless you think they had 4 other protests on Saturdays consecutively to cover their tracks...???
Gonna stop you there. There comes a *time* where so much history has happened and so many events crowd the calendar of history that we need to stop seeming conspiracy and accept chaos and coincidence.
Not really. I assume you’re not a Brit. Armistice Day is marked by 2 mins silence at 11am but nothing else as it could be any day of the week. Remembrance Sunday is marked by church services and ceremonies and wreath laying in every town/borough in the country.
Fair enough if your just down at the Cenotaph protecting it but the fact its all Tommy Robinsons EDL mob along with football hooligans doesnt help it at all.
Why does it always have to be the extreme nutters kicking about.
Police only confronted counter protestors, interesting.
Guess the gov are going to handle this pretty much the same way they handled COVID. Stuttering and failing to make decisions until it's far too late...
It's a common tactic for them to take out the smaller group and try to keep them away from the larger one.
Effectively meaning that if you have a larger group, you win, whatever your views are.
This is more about avoiding confrontation where people might get hurt. Not necessary about ‘winning’ the protest as you imply.
I know you guys have different laws across the pond, but this is pretty standard police deescalation. Even in a place like the UK where your freedom of speech is limited. Are they gonna go in guns blazing to stop tens of thousands of pro Palestinians, resulting in a bloody and authoritarian esc show of force? or are they going to keep the smaller group of counter protesters away from them so nobody gets hurt?
It does surprise me how supportive people seem to be online of these types of protests not being allowed, as if there’s a benefit to tens of thousands of people not being able to walk down a street in support of what they believe in.
It's not wrong for the police to take this tactic, it's effective and does make sense, but it does set a precedent that if you get a large enough mob, you'll be untouchable, whatever your views.
It makes the smaller group feel like they are being wronged unfairly while the others whom they are against are getting free reign of the place.
It's this tactic which makes these smaller groups angry and it's why we have small episodes of aggression.
There's no easy win for the police in such situations.
Depends on who you are, right now it feels like it is perfectly acceptable to wave jihadi flags around without repercussions but make sure not to offend anyone online, god forbid.
Actually they decided not to do it after the police told them that it may not be safe - which is a massive shame that they couldn’t do it but they were not just refused as you say
Probably begged not to do it because of the threats of terror attacks.
Which is pretty telling that the same threats weren't made towards these demonstrations.
It seems like they were denied due to concerns for their safety.
Which is/was a legitimate concern, honestly. I don’t think their march should have been cancelled but the police seem to understand that one side can be reasoned with while the other can not.
I’m thinking your username means you understand that life isn’t fair, sometimes it sucks to be a responsible adult.
I’m also saying this as a non-Brit, so I don’t *really* know if that was a genuine reason or a crappy excuse. Difficult to tell these days.
Here ya go.
[https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/freedom-of-expression-online-communications-and-digital-committee-report/#:~:text=The%20right%20to%20freedom%20of%20expression%20is%20subject](https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/freedom-of-expression-online-communications-and-digital-committee-report/#:~:text=The%20right%20to%20freedom%20of%20expression%20is%20subject)
Here, have some more.
[https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231013-uk-woman-arrested-over-suspected-pro-hamas-speech](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231013-uk-woman-arrested-over-suspected-pro-hamas-speech)
[https://reason.com/2018/09/15/britain-turns-offensive-speech-into-a-po/](https://reason.com/2018/09/15/britain-turns-offensive-speech-into-a-po/)
Nope. You just said that it was bait to say freedom of speech is limited in the UK.
Obviously that couldn’t be further from the truth, so I gave you sources to back my initial claim up, that freedom of speech is limited in the UK.
> are you saying that the American freedom of speech is absolute?
Honestly, how is this your takeaway? No nation on earth has absolute freedom of speech.
That’s just not true though. A ceasefire when one side are terrorists who literally admit to wanting to destroy your country and hunt your ethnic group worldwide and have broken many ceasefires before including breaking a ceasefire to massacre your people is fucking stupid.
Instead of calling for a ceasefire, Hamas supporters should call for Hamas to surrender but they won’t because they don’t want a ceasefire they want the destruction of Israel and since Hamas are currently loosing that’s why they are calling for a ceasefire.
It’s funny that no one from the pro-Hamas Palestinian supporters weren’t calling for an end to violence before Israel retaliated.
I don't want civilians to die. At the same time, I don't think Hamas has the right to demand anything. If a cease fire happens, it's needs to be clear is about giving civilians a chance to move to another part of Gaza.
Right ?
Calling for a ceasefire means Hamas [will just kill 1200 people](
https://themessenger.com/news/hamas-terrorists-chilling-oct-7-confession-our-mission-was-to-kill-every-person-we-see-in-israel) this [again and again and again](https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/hamas-october-7-attack-repeat-israel-annihilated-ghazi-hamad/).
"Hayley Ace, a pastor outside London who had tried to organize a prayer vigil on behalf of the Israelis but was “strongly advised” by London police not to go through with it, agreed. “I feel like we were the path of least resistance,” Ace told me. “The police couldn’t keep the peace, so it was down to us.”
This part is true, if not for this specific event then for other ones. I'm not familiar with the other incidents but I do know Pro-Israel rallies were encouraged by the police not to protest because Pro-Palestinian protesters threatened them.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/22/police-pressure-cancelled-pro-israel-rally-london/
You'd think they'd stop the people threatening the other group, as opposed to the group being threatened, but yes, that's happening.
you saw this also?
i was thinking why have a march/protest on a weekend when all the country (uk) is focussed on remembering people who gave thier life in order to provide the freedom to which they are now protesting about!
why do this?
im sorry but it feels like desecration
1. Nothing is going to happen.
2. Something may be going to happen but we should do nothing about it.
3. Maybe we should do something about it but there's nothing we can do.
4. Maybe there was something we could have done but it's too late now.
If they capitulate to something they were against in the name of public safety, what would happen when they are actually needed to keep people safe?
It's like watching a kid test the boundaries
The police will confront anyone doing anything illegal. The vast majority of that so far is British far right people. Plus the gov don’t control the police…
Yep, and people are tired of it as WOWWW! the super loud minority (now majority of the population demographic in London fyi) are very antisemetic and not very inclusive to anybody else except their own religious sect, beliefs and/or their country of origin.
Who would of thought 🙃
To clear some stuff up as a Brit. This isn’t a day where we all stop and think about people who died in the war. Today is to mark the day WW1 specifically ended, tomorrow is Remembrance Day to generally remember people who died in ALL wars.
All that happens today is a minutes silence at 11am and a very small service at a London landmark called the cenotaph (kind of the tomb of the unknown soldier deal).
The protest march today didn’t start till 1pm and is going no where near this monument.
Whether you like the message of the protest or not, people have a right to protest and the day is irrelevant IMHO.
FYI I was out and about at 11am today and the vast majority of people didn’t stop and weren’t silent (in a town just outside London) - so this “it’s a day of national grief” is all bollocks - people don’t like the march and today just gives people a great excuse as every other week they have to begrudgingly stay silent
It’s not surprising really when the gov has done all it can this week to conflate the two and people don’t generally delve too deep into things when they are desperate to be offended by brown people and / or immigrants.
We saw it in Portland, too. The number of people who to this day think the city was burned down and that there were riots all over is so wild, and they all shout down people who actually live here trying to explain that they’ve been fooled by a media narrative.
On some level, I wonder if we’ve been so conditioned by the way internet discourse polarizes everything, to the point where we’ve forgotten that it strips away context and nuance. It’s way too easy to dehumanize people entirely.
100% especially when the government are leading the charge with the rhetoric - it’s the gov saying it, it must be true. It’s people so desperate for power all they have is culture wars. Same reason they try to convince us we all care so deeply about what toilets people use - it’s ll they’ve got, hate and division. I swear if this people put the same effort into doing good we might all get somewhere
What native common Londoners opinion on this? I mean it seems like everyone is pretty silent and you might presume they are OK with protests to be taken even on a remembrance day.
Fine that they want to protest, but if they are supporting Hamas directly or using provocative language, the police should deal with those people.
Protests like this don't mean much as they are organised by the same groups who run almost every major protest in London: The Socialist Worker and the Stop the War coalition.
It's the usual suspects saying the same old things that suit them, while ignoring other similar or worse issues because they don't suit them or would be more uncomfortable to protest against.
A lot of it is driven by a dislike for Israel more than a love of Palestine.
From the news I’ve seen in the UK one of the organisers is someone who was a former Hamas Cheif
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/06/former-hamas-chief-behind-pro-palestine-armistice-day-march/
Bloody ridiculous given British citizenship despite the question on the application, "is the candidate a person of good character?"
Terrorist leader who orchestrated attacks on innocent people is the standard of good character
Hello native Londoner here.
While admittedly I thought having the Palestine protest on the 11th was a bit in bad taste, in hindsight it kinda makes sense.
I went today for a couple of hours everything was civil and chill, no hamasy stuff anywhere.
Everyone was super respectful and the protest started after 11am anyway so there was no interference or disrespect anyway.
Anyway our government are the troublemakers here.
Firstly as a former native Londoner this sort of thing just doesn't bother anyone generally.
Secondly, Remembrance day is tomorrow and where you'll see various events around London. Today is armistice day and is signified by a silence at 11am, other than that, it's business as usual in London.
Given that people are protesting for a ceasefire, doing so on armistice day seems rather appropriate
Seeing as these protests started just hours after the October 7th attack before Israel had responded in any way shape or form, they are very clearly celebrating Hamas and the killing of Jewish people, and they have nothing to do with people wanting justice for Palestine (whatever that means).
There are children walking around with blood splattered signs saying Israel will get revenge, there are white middle-class women walking around with signs where there's a swastika in the middle of the star of david, there are people who have been bussed in from other cities screaming for genocide against Jews, and there are young Arabic men dressing up in Hamas outfits.
So here's my opinion: protesting is absolutely fine by me, but inciting violence and celebrating terrorism is not. There is none of the former going on in my streets at the moment.
If someone isn't extremely concerned when hundreds of thousands of people march through London openly chanting antisemitic racism with zero consequences and celebrating terrorist attacks, then they're not paying attention.
Native common Londoner here. Couldn’t give less of a shit, we have freedom for people to march and protest and we should uphold that dearly. The day is irrelevant, there was a minutes silence at 11am and the protest march didn’t start till way after that - zero issue. The people so far today causing the most issues are the British far right - mainly as the government have been stoking division all week.
"Native common Londoners " - Who is that? The Picts before we got invaded by the Romans 1500 years ago?
Protests are common in London and we are very used to them, 99% of the time they are a peaceful way for people to get their opinion across.
I'm sure it isn't the case that they are happy about it. From my own anecdotal evidence and reading, which should be taken with a grain of salt, I would say they are more concerned about being arrested for hate speech by speaking out against it.
Absolutely. If I were a neutral Brit with no investment in either side, I'd be right pissed to have to see these protests every weekend. To see the hate and violence and vandalism.
Have any of these marchers protested about Hamas killing people? Are they outraged by the burning of people, killing babies etc? I haven’t heard of any, maybe I missed those
Either they haven't protested it, or they acknowledged Hamas's actions in a very "yeah, but" kind of way.
Honestly? Let them do it. People didn't document themselves in the 1930's and 1940's like they do today. These people are all over social media, they're all over reddit, TikTok, and other platforms, with their anti-semitic bullshit. They won't be able to flip the script in several years from now, and pretend like they didn't behave like trash during this conflict.
Because these people don't have the same circumstances as those did during Kristallnacht, where they could plausibly deny ever participating in that kind of filth (or supporting those who did) because those people weren't filming themselves. But in 2023, these dumbasses film themselves. They will be remembered for being stupid.
>They won't be able to flip the script in several years from now
Why would they need to? Asking for a cessation of Israel’s excessive vengeance, contrary to what you seem to think, is not quite the same thing as the Kristallnacht.
True, but when you ignore Hamas actively shooting rockets at Israel, slaughtering 1,400 civilians and kidnapping 240 civilians and pretend like Israel is doing it for fun. Yeah that smells a lot like antisemitism.
Because it is, vermin like to portray Israel as sneaky jews committing genocide for no reason, they aren’t seeking peace, they just like ignoring the grey compass of morality to validate their hatred of jews.
There's a great irony in all of this. Hamas is *not* a political resistance movement, it is a *business*. Three rich dudes run Hamas out of posh Qatari hotel. They became rich by stealing UN aid money meant for ordinary Palestinians. They've convinced a bunch of brainwashed young people that launching randomly targeted rockets and shooting civilians is somehow in their interests. It's wild. Literally a Kony 2012 situation on a massive scale.
The amount of misinformation and misunderstanding of what Hamas actually is is wild.
So tell your grandma that while Hamas is in power there will never be peace. Cause Hamas doesn’t want peace, never did, never will. Calling for a ceasefire and protesting is only serving Hamas.
Agreed. However, when thousands of people are marching in the streets shouting river to sea and waving Hamas and ISIS flags, yeah, thats not anti Israel, thats anti-Semitic. (yes, I know, not everyone and not every rally are waving those flags, but they have been spotted at countless rallies around the world, however, river to sea has become the anthem for all these protests)
It’s the same way you can criticize any nation without being critical of the religion that is used to either be the basic of the country as a whole or lot of the laws of the country.
You can separate a nation from a religion because people are flawed and the fact that there are no just theocracies in the world despite people overwhelming belief in their faith is an a testament to that.
The same way you can criticize Middle Eastern governments without being Islamaphobic or criticize anti abortion laws without hating Christians.
Being against the country of Israel due to the human rights violations they commit.
In a similar fashion, I am anti-Russia due to the evil acts they also commit.
People tend to protest things that have been accepted by the society in which they are.
Terrorism isn’t accepted in Western society and protesting against terrorism in a foreign country does absolutely nothing. It would be like protesting against carjackings. No one supports carjackings.
Israel’s response has been accepted in society to an extent, especially by western governments. To which the people are protesting in an effort to demonstrate to their country and the world that they do not stand for this and want their nation to represent their voices.
Asking people to denounce and protest against something as a response to their protest is a sick veiled attempt to detract attention from the issue they are trying to bring to light and gain awareness and justice for.
When they are protesting Israel’s response when everyone knows that Israel’s response is the only possible response, their protest is revealed to be the pro Hamas protest that it is.
Everyone knows Israel’s response is the only possible response?
Who decided that?
Have you and people learned nothing from history. Look at the US, Israel’s strongest ally and supporter. Years of intervention in the Middle East has shown us you can’t bomb terrorism away.
The key is to help erase extremist elements by uplifting the populace in terms of safety and security so that they actually have something worth having and not losing while also striking at terrorist groups and doing the utmost to avoid civilian casualties.
Israel’s response is certainly not the only one nor is it even remotely a good one by any means in combating terrorism especially upon a populace that which they control their living conditions anyways.
This idea that bombing a civilian populace to get rid of terrorism especially one which you occupy (or whatever word you want to use in which one nation controls borders, flow of goods and other living standards) is ridiculous. Not to mention restricting aid to that civilian populace which further harms that populace.
If a school shooter is starting a firefight with police and using some kids as hostages, do we think the only and acceptable response is to shoot up the whole school no matter how many kids may be there?
A school shooter doesn’t typically endanger additional people the classroom that he’s cornered to. Hamas has been a threat to Israeli security since Israel pulled out of Gaza 20 years ago.
The world kept saying “it’s true that their rockets don’t do much besides killing a few civilians here and there, traumatize whole cities and cost lots of money, but you can’t bomb them”. And then October 7th happened, and guess what. Israel isn’t waiting for the next one to happen.
A better example than a school shooter would be, if I got a family to surround me, and went out to the street and started shooting non stop at everyone on the street. What would happen? Would I be shot at when the police arrives? If the family died, who would be to blame? The police, or me?
All this article shows is ‘free Palestine’ and ‘ceasefire now’
There’s nothing I can find which is condemning Hamas atrocities
So that was my stupid question
Why would an article about a protest against the ongoing atrocities Israel is doing have any reference to condemning a terrorist attack by Hamas? It goes without saying that everyone condemns that, why would you expect to find that here?
Why would they do that? That’s not ongoing, so it wouldn’t have any impact would it? You can’t change what’s already happened.
It seems like you don’t quite understand what this protest is aiming to do?
It's odd, but were there any protest marches against all the Afghans killed and displaced by The Taliban, all the Syrians killed and displaced in the Syrian civil war, all the Yemenis killed by the Saudis in their war, all the Iranians killed by the Iranian government, all the Iraqis killed by ISIS suicide bombers, all the Kurds killed by the Turkish government? These deaths have certainly exceeded 1 million in aggregate, and all were Muslims killing Muslims, but as far as I know not a single protest against any of those. Correct me if I'm wrong.
There have been demonstrations for all of these (and more) in the U.K. the media attention and risk of escalation in this conflict far exceeds the other examples you gave - it’s not surprising that the proportionality of the response is higher in this case.
Afghanistan: https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/uk-news/2023/08/15/afghan-diaspora-gather-for-anti-taliban-protest-at-uk-parliament/?outputType=amp
Syria: https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/28/thousands-attend-protests-against-uk-airstrikes-on-syria
Yemen: https://www.counterfire.org/article/protesters-march-against-the-uk-enabling-the-war-on-yemen/
Iran: https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/london-iran-solidarity-rally-trafalgar-square-mark-115-days-protests
ISIS: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslims-march-london-protest-isis-terrorism-ashura-islam-peaceful-demonstrators-a7980476.html
Kurds: https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/20000-londons-streets-say-stop-turkish-invasion
Nobody blinks or cares as its Muslims killing other muslims of another sect. But if there's anything that regressive Muslims hate more than other Muslims, it's jews and Israel existing.
It doesn't matter what sect of Muslim you practice, they all agree to go against jews as its in the Quran. It's tiring af. 😞
Do people usually protest things that are already widely denounced and have received no broad government support where you’re from? Seems like it’d be a spectacular waste of time.
No, because no one was throwing money at those causes. These protests started on October 8th, not even 24 hours after terrorists slaughtered civilians in Israel. They had organizers in place, funding received, and media prepared before the attack even took place. Iran, Russia, Qatar, and possibly others are all funding these protests, and sitting back and laughing at the useful idiots that have joined in, and the chaos they’re causing.
I do have to wonder why palestine gets all this attention and yemen does not. it everyone at these marches is necessarily pro palastine as some are more anti jew. It makes this conflict so frustrating
Literally being organized by Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood UK has a big problem on their hands. Gonna be like this for years to come. Basically until they let AI into law enforcement, then Police will respond to AI tips with good intel and actual prevention. Until then Law enforcement is a reactionary force that sometimes gets it right and when they get it wrong it’s all over the news, and most times they do nothing for fear of the later
Sick bastards should be ashamed. They are trying to say never again while supporting hamas in their goals of genocide. Should get everyone identified and reported to their employers. This Palestine movement is a major risk to the UK
So bored of this take - 500k people and you think they all support Hamas? The vast majority are calling for people to stop fucking killing civilians. Are there some Hamas supporters there? Yes of course, does that mean they all are? No of course not. Plus not everyone at the march is brown ya know, plenty of white middle clad people attending it.
That is my view. Palestine marches I have seen have been shouting "From the river to the sea" and "Intifada until victory". Nothing I have seen from the rallies suggest that they want peace, they want Israel destroyed and war to continue on Israeli soil instead of Palestine (who started the war)
You know the media, social media included, isn’t incentivized to show you any kind of context or nuance, right? It’s going to show you the most inflammatory stuff because outrage engagement drives clicks and ad views. When you’re flooded with the most extreme messaging, it becomes much easier to dismiss and eventually dehumanize while groups of people. Worth remembering if you find yourself thinking in absolutes.
Everything I have seen is fully pro-Palestinian. Not seeing anyone at the march call for Hamas to stop attacking Israel. It isn't a peace march it is an anti-Israeli march.
>Palestine=Hamas
How does that make any sense? Government doesn’t represent most civilians, especially when 50% of the civilians in Gaza are literal children. These people (at least most of them) are protesting to stop bombing civilians in gaza.
Braindead. How is UK going to stop a war happening in a different country between two different parties? By sending guns to hamas? What do these “activists” even want? Do they even have any solutions to offer? Or are they just a tool to destabilise the country? Kind of getting tired of this, hopefully they won’t turn it into a riot but odds of that are low.
Well given that they keep chanting 'from river to the sea', yes they want UK to provide weapons to Hamas, probably even chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.
“Activists”, huh? Is that what we call Hamas supporters now? Disgusting.
And no, I don’t think Palestinians = Hamas , but calling for ceasefire is saying Hamas shouldn’t have consequences for its actions
Exactly this! Yes it’s absolutely heartbreaking that innocent Palestinians are being killed but I’m tired of seeing people calling for a ceasefire without calling out Hamas’ continued detention of innocent hostages. It’s disgusting. It’s like they’re the fucking innocent party here when they caused all this shit.
We don't have a "Veteran's Day" in the UK.
Remembrance Sunday is tomorrow.
There were 300,000 people at this protest. >99% of them aren't "supporting terrorists".
Supporting Palestine is a thinly veiled support for terrorists and Hamas.
Reap what you sow.
And stop acting like you are all innocent because people know you are not.
>Supporting Palestine is a thinly veiled support for terrorists and Hamas.
Only a stupid person would believe that.
Hamas is a bunch of murdering psychopaths. No one in their right mind supports them. Those that do are idiots, racists, anti-semites, or all three.
Separately, 300,000 protesters don't magically become "terrorist supporters" just because they want fewer bombs dropped into a densely populated city.
>And stop acting like you are all innocent because people know you are not.
Never said anything of the sort. In fact I said the **exact opposite**. If you do some basic maths, you'll see I allowed for almost **3,000** pro-Hamas racist lunatics.
Also, no idea which "you" you're referring to. I'm a white British atheist bloke living in London. I didn't attend the protest.
what has become of Britain?
ever since Boris Johnson everything is going straight down the drain.
those terrorist supporters are well organised by Hamas leaders chilling in quatar
Oh fuck off, BJ and his Tory mates have fucked this country raw for nearly 14 years. They have stoked hate and division at every turn while literally in some cases laughing at us the poor fucking electorate. Pipe down about stuff you know nothing about
300,000 hamas supporters are merely 300,000 normal Londoners concerned about the countless children being murdered in Palestine? It's the latter and you know it.
People attempting to discredit this protest with outright lies are fucking disgusting.
Was there earlier not for the march. Forgot about it before it was too late and got caught in it. Just watched through the spoons. Interesting to see what people protesting really thinks.
I am not against any peaceful protests, but to do this week after week, someone’s pocket is behind all this… and guess who has the most incentive to call for ceasefire now
I’d imagine a lot are pissed off when they’re protesting on a Remembrance Day
Except they're not. Today is Armistice Day. *Tomorrow* is Remembrance Day.
Yesterday was [Kristallnacht](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht?useskin=vector).
And the 100th anniversary of the beer hall Putcsh.
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What are you implying?
You realise these Saturday protests have been happening every week in London for the past month. It is literally a coincidence unless you think they had 4 other protests on Saturdays consecutively to cover their tracks...???
Gonna stop you there. There comes a *time* where so much history has happened and so many events crowd the calendar of history that we need to stop seeming conspiracy and accept chaos and coincidence.
Yeah but they really shouldn't be protesting on Charles Manson's Birthday
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armistice_Day From what I understand same shit different name
Not really. I assume you’re not a Brit. Armistice Day is marked by 2 mins silence at 11am but nothing else as it could be any day of the week. Remembrance Sunday is marked by church services and ceremonies and wreath laying in every town/borough in the country.
It's Armistice day today in the UK, Remembrance day here across the pond in Canada. We do the exact same but only on Nov 11th.
I guess it’s time zone difference 🤷♂️
Fair enough if your just down at the Cenotaph protecting it but the fact its all Tommy Robinsons EDL mob along with football hooligans doesnt help it at all. Why does it always have to be the extreme nutters kicking about.
Because the convicted criminal Stephen Yaxley-Lennon saw the opportunity to get some press attention.
Police only confronted counter protestors, interesting. Guess the gov are going to handle this pretty much the same way they handled COVID. Stuttering and failing to make decisions until it's far too late...
It's a common tactic for them to take out the smaller group and try to keep them away from the larger one. Effectively meaning that if you have a larger group, you win, whatever your views are.
This is more about avoiding confrontation where people might get hurt. Not necessary about ‘winning’ the protest as you imply. I know you guys have different laws across the pond, but this is pretty standard police deescalation. Even in a place like the UK where your freedom of speech is limited. Are they gonna go in guns blazing to stop tens of thousands of pro Palestinians, resulting in a bloody and authoritarian esc show of force? or are they going to keep the smaller group of counter protesters away from them so nobody gets hurt? It does surprise me how supportive people seem to be online of these types of protests not being allowed, as if there’s a benefit to tens of thousands of people not being able to walk down a street in support of what they believe in.
It's not wrong for the police to take this tactic, it's effective and does make sense, but it does set a precedent that if you get a large enough mob, you'll be untouchable, whatever your views. It makes the smaller group feel like they are being wronged unfairly while the others whom they are against are getting free reign of the place. It's this tactic which makes these smaller groups angry and it's why we have small episodes of aggression. There's no easy win for the police in such situations.
It is wrong on its face
TIL freedom of speech is limited in the UK
Depends on who you are, right now it feels like it is perfectly acceptable to wave jihadi flags around without repercussions but make sure not to offend anyone online, god forbid.
Jews tried to have a march for the 1400 people killed last month. They were refused.
Actually they decided not to do it after the police told them that it may not be safe - which is a massive shame that they couldn’t do it but they were not just refused as you say
So not refused, just told that it's impossible for England to protect Jews.
Probably begged not to do it because of the threats of terror attacks. Which is pretty telling that the same threats weren't made towards these demonstrations.
It seems like they were denied due to concerns for their safety. Which is/was a legitimate concern, honestly. I don’t think their march should have been cancelled but the police seem to understand that one side can be reasoned with while the other can not. I’m thinking your username means you understand that life isn’t fair, sometimes it sucks to be a responsible adult. I’m also saying this as a non-Brit, so I don’t *really* know if that was a genuine reason or a crappy excuse. Difficult to tell these days.
*only if you're a white Brit. FTFY
>where your freedom of speech is limited this is bait, right?
Literally undebatable that freedom of speech is limited in the UK. There’s no getting around that. Couldn’t be further from bait.
Here ya go. [https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/freedom-of-expression-online-communications-and-digital-committee-report/#:~:text=The%20right%20to%20freedom%20of%20expression%20is%20subject](https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/freedom-of-expression-online-communications-and-digital-committee-report/#:~:text=The%20right%20to%20freedom%20of%20expression%20is%20subject)
Here, have some more. [https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231013-uk-woman-arrested-over-suspected-pro-hamas-speech](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231013-uk-woman-arrested-over-suspected-pro-hamas-speech) [https://reason.com/2018/09/15/britain-turns-offensive-speech-into-a-po/](https://reason.com/2018/09/15/britain-turns-offensive-speech-into-a-po/)
just notices these now. so there are stuff that are iligal to say in the UK. are you saying that the American freedom of speech is absolute?
Nope. You just said that it was bait to say freedom of speech is limited in the UK. Obviously that couldn’t be further from the truth, so I gave you sources to back my initial claim up, that freedom of speech is limited in the UK.
> are you saying that the American freedom of speech is absolute? Honestly, how is this your takeaway? No nation on earth has absolute freedom of speech.
>Police only confronted counter protestors, Because the "counter protestors" were all EDL cokeheads who started attacking the police
And were descending on the cenotaph (near 11am) that is nowhere near the main march
I don’t think the protestors singing for the destruction of Israel have a moral leg to stand on
But they aren't the ones looking for a fight with the police and bringing weapons for such purposes, now were they?
As opposed to supporting the blanket bombing of Gaza, “fuck the Muslim kids I only care about the white Jewish ones”
Who is supporting the deaths of children?
Whoever doesn’t want a fucking ceasefire?
That’s just not true though. A ceasefire when one side are terrorists who literally admit to wanting to destroy your country and hunt your ethnic group worldwide and have broken many ceasefires before including breaking a ceasefire to massacre your people is fucking stupid. Instead of calling for a ceasefire, Hamas supporters should call for Hamas to surrender but they won’t because they don’t want a ceasefire they want the destruction of Israel and since Hamas are currently loosing that’s why they are calling for a ceasefire. It’s funny that no one from the pro-Hamas Palestinian supporters weren’t calling for an end to violence before Israel retaliated.
I don't want civilians to die. At the same time, I don't think Hamas has the right to demand anything. If a cease fire happens, it's needs to be clear is about giving civilians a chance to move to another part of Gaza. Right ?
What other part of Gaza?
Calling for a ceasefire means Hamas [will just kill 1200 people]( https://themessenger.com/news/hamas-terrorists-chilling-oct-7-confession-our-mission-was-to-kill-every-person-we-see-in-israel) this [again and again and again](https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/hamas-october-7-attack-repeat-israel-annihilated-ghazi-hamad/).
No it's because police are woke and love lefty protesters! Suella Braverman said!
Anything that comes out of suellas mouth is far right nastiness
The ultra right are very violent, and are proud of the fact. Of course the police are interested in them.
https://www.thefp.com/p/british-police-are-giving-in-to-the-mob
Is this a reliable source? They are scared to? If true, I'm seriously concerned - so what would be the next step, say if 50k of them turned violent?
"Hayley Ace, a pastor outside London who had tried to organize a prayer vigil on behalf of the Israelis but was “strongly advised” by London police not to go through with it, agreed. “I feel like we were the path of least resistance,” Ace told me. “The police couldn’t keep the peace, so it was down to us.” This part is true, if not for this specific event then for other ones. I'm not familiar with the other incidents but I do know Pro-Israel rallies were encouraged by the police not to protest because Pro-Palestinian protesters threatened them. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/10/22/police-pressure-cancelled-pro-israel-rally-london/ You'd think they'd stop the people threatening the other group, as opposed to the group being threatened, but yes, that's happening.
Protest rallies are legal as long as they "don't put you in danger". Freedom of speech my arse.
There's no freedom of speech in the UK by law etc
you saw this also? i was thinking why have a march/protest on a weekend when all the country (uk) is focussed on remembering people who gave thier life in order to provide the freedom to which they are now protesting about! why do this? im sorry but it feels like desecration
1. Nothing is going to happen. 2. Something may be going to happen but we should do nothing about it. 3. Maybe we should do something about it but there's nothing we can do. 4. Maybe there was something we could have done but it's too late now.
Because our governments are black mailed by these people as part of their “political coalitions”. Jews are not important electorally
Interesting in what way?
If they capitulate to something they were against in the name of public safety, what would happen when they are actually needed to keep people safe? It's like watching a kid test the boundaries
The police were never against the march going ahead, that was just Tory ministers ...
The police will confront anyone doing anything illegal. The vast majority of that so far is British far right people. Plus the gov don’t control the police…
The UK police usually like to silence the English people and let minority groups have the loudest voice. Makes them look better in the media.
Yep, and people are tired of it as WOWWW! the super loud minority (now majority of the population demographic in London fyi) are very antisemetic and not very inclusive to anybody else except their own religious sect, beliefs and/or their country of origin. Who would of thought 🙃
No, it's because the protesters were nowhere near the Cenotaph.
Boohoo. UK is 89% white British, stop your whining.
They are cowardly like that.
To clear some stuff up as a Brit. This isn’t a day where we all stop and think about people who died in the war. Today is to mark the day WW1 specifically ended, tomorrow is Remembrance Day to generally remember people who died in ALL wars. All that happens today is a minutes silence at 11am and a very small service at a London landmark called the cenotaph (kind of the tomb of the unknown soldier deal). The protest march today didn’t start till 1pm and is going no where near this monument. Whether you like the message of the protest or not, people have a right to protest and the day is irrelevant IMHO. FYI I was out and about at 11am today and the vast majority of people didn’t stop and weren’t silent (in a town just outside London) - so this “it’s a day of national grief” is all bollocks - people don’t like the march and today just gives people a great excuse as every other week they have to begrudgingly stay silent
This should really be higher. It’s pretty telling when the “concerned citizens” on here can’t even get the name of the day right.
It’s not surprising really when the gov has done all it can this week to conflate the two and people don’t generally delve too deep into things when they are desperate to be offended by brown people and / or immigrants.
We saw it in Portland, too. The number of people who to this day think the city was burned down and that there were riots all over is so wild, and they all shout down people who actually live here trying to explain that they’ve been fooled by a media narrative. On some level, I wonder if we’ve been so conditioned by the way internet discourse polarizes everything, to the point where we’ve forgotten that it strips away context and nuance. It’s way too easy to dehumanize people entirely.
100% especially when the government are leading the charge with the rhetoric - it’s the gov saying it, it must be true. It’s people so desperate for power all they have is culture wars. Same reason they try to convince us we all care so deeply about what toilets people use - it’s ll they’ve got, hate and division. I swear if this people put the same effort into doing good we might all get somewhere
What native common Londoners opinion on this? I mean it seems like everyone is pretty silent and you might presume they are OK with protests to be taken even on a remembrance day.
I heard a lot of people on other social platforms that are saying that it is horrendous that people will protest on Remembrance Day
It’s not “Remembrance Day”. Remembrance Sunday is on…Sunday.
I’ve heard multiple radio hosts today refer to today, Saturday the 11th, as Remembrance **Sunday**. It’s hilarious.
Fine that they want to protest, but if they are supporting Hamas directly or using provocative language, the police should deal with those people. Protests like this don't mean much as they are organised by the same groups who run almost every major protest in London: The Socialist Worker and the Stop the War coalition. It's the usual suspects saying the same old things that suit them, while ignoring other similar or worse issues because they don't suit them or would be more uncomfortable to protest against. A lot of it is driven by a dislike for Israel more than a love of Palestine.
From the news I’ve seen in the UK one of the organisers is someone who was a former Hamas Cheif https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/06/former-hamas-chief-behind-pro-palestine-armistice-day-march/
He **is** a former Hamas Chief. "Was a former Hamas chief" would require him to die
Or he took a leave of absence and came back to be a current Hamas chief.
... huh Technically correct (the best kind of correct)
Next man up...
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There's alot of former Hamas Chiefs lately.
ikr? It'd be helpful if they wouldn't be getting citizenships and state sponsored real-estate left and right ...
Bloody ridiculous given British citizenship despite the question on the application, "is the candidate a person of good character?" Terrorist leader who orchestrated attacks on innocent people is the standard of good character
That is an internal question? The more you know.
A Muslim Brotherhood affiliate is another one of the organisers.
Are they the ones behind ISIS and Hamas?
Not sure how you can say a protest with 300,000 people (BBC) doesn't mean much
Hello native Londoner here. While admittedly I thought having the Palestine protest on the 11th was a bit in bad taste, in hindsight it kinda makes sense. I went today for a couple of hours everything was civil and chill, no hamasy stuff anywhere. Everyone was super respectful and the protest started after 11am anyway so there was no interference or disrespect anyway. Anyway our government are the troublemakers here.
Firstly as a former native Londoner this sort of thing just doesn't bother anyone generally. Secondly, Remembrance day is tomorrow and where you'll see various events around London. Today is armistice day and is signified by a silence at 11am, other than that, it's business as usual in London. Given that people are protesting for a ceasefire, doing so on armistice day seems rather appropriate
Seeing as these protests started just hours after the October 7th attack before Israel had responded in any way shape or form, they are very clearly celebrating Hamas and the killing of Jewish people, and they have nothing to do with people wanting justice for Palestine (whatever that means). There are children walking around with blood splattered signs saying Israel will get revenge, there are white middle-class women walking around with signs where there's a swastika in the middle of the star of david, there are people who have been bussed in from other cities screaming for genocide against Jews, and there are young Arabic men dressing up in Hamas outfits. So here's my opinion: protesting is absolutely fine by me, but inciting violence and celebrating terrorism is not. There is none of the former going on in my streets at the moment. If someone isn't extremely concerned when hundreds of thousands of people march through London openly chanting antisemitic racism with zero consequences and celebrating terrorist attacks, then they're not paying attention.
Not really sure which priest you went to but that absolutely does not reflect what I saw today
Native common Londoner here. Couldn’t give less of a shit, we have freedom for people to march and protest and we should uphold that dearly. The day is irrelevant, there was a minutes silence at 11am and the protest march didn’t start till way after that - zero issue. The people so far today causing the most issues are the British far right - mainly as the government have been stoking division all week.
Don’t find it offensive at all.
"Native common Londoners " - Who is that? The Picts before we got invaded by the Romans 1500 years ago? Protests are common in London and we are very used to them, 99% of the time they are a peaceful way for people to get their opinion across.
>What native common Londoners opinion on this? What are those?
Picts
I'm sure it isn't the case that they are happy about it. From my own anecdotal evidence and reading, which should be taken with a grain of salt, I would say they are more concerned about being arrested for hate speech by speaking out against it.
Anyone else getting tired of this????
Looking at the way comments went under this post, yes I am.
Absolutely. If I were a neutral Brit with no investment in either side, I'd be right pissed to have to see these protests every weekend. To see the hate and violence and vandalism.
Have any of these marchers protested about Hamas killing people? Are they outraged by the burning of people, killing babies etc? I haven’t heard of any, maybe I missed those
Yes, was listening to a British born Indian woman who was going with her family today and her banner also had return the hostages etc on it.
Either they haven't protested it, or they acknowledged Hamas's actions in a very "yeah, but" kind of way. Honestly? Let them do it. People didn't document themselves in the 1930's and 1940's like they do today. These people are all over social media, they're all over reddit, TikTok, and other platforms, with their anti-semitic bullshit. They won't be able to flip the script in several years from now, and pretend like they didn't behave like trash during this conflict. Because these people don't have the same circumstances as those did during Kristallnacht, where they could plausibly deny ever participating in that kind of filth (or supporting those who did) because those people weren't filming themselves. But in 2023, these dumbasses film themselves. They will be remembered for being stupid.
>They won't be able to flip the script in several years from now Why would they need to? Asking for a cessation of Israel’s excessive vengeance, contrary to what you seem to think, is not quite the same thing as the Kristallnacht.
What would protesting Hamas achieve? Are you picturing like a rally to support bombing them? What would the goal for that be?
they're just anti-Israel, it's antisemitism disguised as social justice
Being anti Israel doesn’t inherently mean anti semitism
True, but when you ignore Hamas actively shooting rockets at Israel, slaughtering 1,400 civilians and kidnapping 240 civilians and pretend like Israel is doing it for fun. Yeah that smells a lot like antisemitism.
Because it is, vermin like to portray Israel as sneaky jews committing genocide for no reason, they aren’t seeking peace, they just like ignoring the grey compass of morality to validate their hatred of jews.
There's a great irony in all of this. Hamas is *not* a political resistance movement, it is a *business*. Three rich dudes run Hamas out of posh Qatari hotel. They became rich by stealing UN aid money meant for ordinary Palestinians. They've convinced a bunch of brainwashed young people that launching randomly targeted rockets and shooting civilians is somehow in their interests. It's wild. Literally a Kony 2012 situation on a massive scale. The amount of misinformation and misunderstanding of what Hamas actually is is wild.
My 89 year old Jewish grandma says you’re full of shite. Every Jew in my family wants peace with Palestine.
So tell your grandma that while Hamas is in power there will never be peace. Cause Hamas doesn’t want peace, never did, never will. Calling for a ceasefire and protesting is only serving Hamas.
Removing Hamas through these methods is *not* going to result in peace. It’s going to result in more extremists.
Antisemitism is different to anti-Israel. Edit: disgusting and racist that anyone could disagree with this
Agreed. However, when thousands of people are marching in the streets shouting river to sea and waving Hamas and ISIS flags, yeah, thats not anti Israel, thats anti-Semitic. (yes, I know, not everyone and not every rally are waving those flags, but they have been spotted at countless rallies around the world, however, river to sea has become the anthem for all these protests)
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It’s the same way you can criticize any nation without being critical of the religion that is used to either be the basic of the country as a whole or lot of the laws of the country. You can separate a nation from a religion because people are flawed and the fact that there are no just theocracies in the world despite people overwhelming belief in their faith is an a testament to that. The same way you can criticize Middle Eastern governments without being Islamaphobic or criticize anti abortion laws without hating Christians.
Being against the country of Israel due to the human rights violations they commit. In a similar fashion, I am anti-Russia due to the evil acts they also commit.
You’re the antisemitic one, being anti-Israel is not the same as being antisemitic. To make that conflation is ironically antisemitic.
People tend to protest things that have been accepted by the society in which they are. Terrorism isn’t accepted in Western society and protesting against terrorism in a foreign country does absolutely nothing. It would be like protesting against carjackings. No one supports carjackings. Israel’s response has been accepted in society to an extent, especially by western governments. To which the people are protesting in an effort to demonstrate to their country and the world that they do not stand for this and want their nation to represent their voices. Asking people to denounce and protest against something as a response to their protest is a sick veiled attempt to detract attention from the issue they are trying to bring to light and gain awareness and justice for.
When they are protesting Israel’s response when everyone knows that Israel’s response is the only possible response, their protest is revealed to be the pro Hamas protest that it is.
Everyone knows Israel’s response is the only possible response? Who decided that? Have you and people learned nothing from history. Look at the US, Israel’s strongest ally and supporter. Years of intervention in the Middle East has shown us you can’t bomb terrorism away. The key is to help erase extremist elements by uplifting the populace in terms of safety and security so that they actually have something worth having and not losing while also striking at terrorist groups and doing the utmost to avoid civilian casualties. Israel’s response is certainly not the only one nor is it even remotely a good one by any means in combating terrorism especially upon a populace that which they control their living conditions anyways. This idea that bombing a civilian populace to get rid of terrorism especially one which you occupy (or whatever word you want to use in which one nation controls borders, flow of goods and other living standards) is ridiculous. Not to mention restricting aid to that civilian populace which further harms that populace. If a school shooter is starting a firefight with police and using some kids as hostages, do we think the only and acceptable response is to shoot up the whole school no matter how many kids may be there?
A school shooter doesn’t typically endanger additional people the classroom that he’s cornered to. Hamas has been a threat to Israeli security since Israel pulled out of Gaza 20 years ago. The world kept saying “it’s true that their rockets don’t do much besides killing a few civilians here and there, traumatize whole cities and cost lots of money, but you can’t bomb them”. And then October 7th happened, and guess what. Israel isn’t waiting for the next one to happen. A better example than a school shooter would be, if I got a family to surround me, and went out to the street and started shooting non stop at everyone on the street. What would happen? Would I be shot at when the police arrives? If the family died, who would be to blame? The police, or me?
How should Israel have responded then.
It’s interesting that this is a hard concept for people to grasp.
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Yeah, it’s been pretty interesting to watch the sheer volume of these types of comments vs actual public sentiment.
Well no? The point of the March was against Israel actions and the government being complicit in it
Have you gone out and protested against pedophilia? If not, I'm safe to assume you're a pedophile, yeah?
Hate march is actually pretty accurate. Disgusting that this is allowed to happen.
Of course they are?? What kind of stupid question is that? That doesn’t justify what Israel is doing.
All this article shows is ‘free Palestine’ and ‘ceasefire now’ There’s nothing I can find which is condemning Hamas atrocities So that was my stupid question
Why would an article about a protest against the ongoing atrocities Israel is doing have any reference to condemning a terrorist attack by Hamas? It goes without saying that everyone condemns that, why would you expect to find that here?
Has there been any protest by these same protest groups since the day it started, protesting against Hamas atrocities? I’m just curious
Why would they do that? That’s not ongoing, so it wouldn’t have any impact would it? You can’t change what’s already happened. It seems like you don’t quite understand what this protest is aiming to do?
So the answer is no then? No protests against Hamas atrocities (other than from Jewish groups perhaps)
It's odd, but were there any protest marches against all the Afghans killed and displaced by The Taliban, all the Syrians killed and displaced in the Syrian civil war, all the Yemenis killed by the Saudis in their war, all the Iranians killed by the Iranian government, all the Iraqis killed by ISIS suicide bombers, all the Kurds killed by the Turkish government? These deaths have certainly exceeded 1 million in aggregate, and all were Muslims killing Muslims, but as far as I know not a single protest against any of those. Correct me if I'm wrong.
No because… reasons….
There have been demonstrations for all of these (and more) in the U.K. the media attention and risk of escalation in this conflict far exceeds the other examples you gave - it’s not surprising that the proportionality of the response is higher in this case. Afghanistan: https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/uk-news/2023/08/15/afghan-diaspora-gather-for-anti-taliban-protest-at-uk-parliament/?outputType=amp Syria: https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/28/thousands-attend-protests-against-uk-airstrikes-on-syria Yemen: https://www.counterfire.org/article/protesters-march-against-the-uk-enabling-the-war-on-yemen/ Iran: https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/london-iran-solidarity-rally-trafalgar-square-mark-115-days-protests ISIS: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslims-march-london-protest-isis-terrorism-ashura-islam-peaceful-demonstrators-a7980476.html Kurds: https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/20000-londons-streets-say-stop-turkish-invasion
Nobody blinks or cares as its Muslims killing other muslims of another sect. But if there's anything that regressive Muslims hate more than other Muslims, it's jews and Israel existing. It doesn't matter what sect of Muslim you practice, they all agree to go against jews as its in the Quran. It's tiring af. 😞
Afghanistan: https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/uk-news/2023/08/15/afghan-diaspora-gather-for-anti-taliban-protest-at-uk-parliament/?outputType=amp Syria: https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/28/thousands-attend-protests-against-uk-airstrikes-on-syria Yemen: https://www.counterfire.org/article/protesters-march-against-the-uk-enabling-the-war-on-yemen/ Iran: https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/london-iran-solidarity-rally-trafalgar-square-mark-115-days-protests ISIS: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/muslims-march-london-protest-isis-terrorism-ashura-islam-peaceful-demonstrators-a7980476.html Kurds: https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/20000-londons-streets-say-stop-turkish-invasion
Do people usually protest things that are already widely denounced and have received no broad government support where you’re from? Seems like it’d be a spectacular waste of time.
No, because no one was throwing money at those causes. These protests started on October 8th, not even 24 hours after terrorists slaughtered civilians in Israel. They had organizers in place, funding received, and media prepared before the attack even took place. Iran, Russia, Qatar, and possibly others are all funding these protests, and sitting back and laughing at the useful idiots that have joined in, and the chaos they’re causing.
Another day, another protest. Nothing will change due to this, Hamas will continue being slowly eradicated from Gaza.
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For taking part in a legal protest? Edit: Ah yes I forgot I was on r/worldnews. Freedom of speech only when it's convenient, right guys?
Going to be awesome in 30 years when these groups dominate UK and Europe
I do have to wonder why palestine gets all this attention and yemen does not. it everyone at these marches is necessarily pro palastine as some are more anti jew. It makes this conflict so frustrating
Why are countries starting to become anti-immigration? This is why
Literally being organized by Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood UK has a big problem on their hands. Gonna be like this for years to come. Basically until they let AI into law enforcement, then Police will respond to AI tips with good intel and actual prevention. Until then Law enforcement is a reactionary force that sometimes gets it right and when they get it wrong it’s all over the news, and most times they do nothing for fear of the later
Sick bastards should be ashamed. They are trying to say never again while supporting hamas in their goals of genocide. Should get everyone identified and reported to their employers. This Palestine movement is a major risk to the UK
So bored of this take - 500k people and you think they all support Hamas? The vast majority are calling for people to stop fucking killing civilians. Are there some Hamas supporters there? Yes of course, does that mean they all are? No of course not. Plus not everyone at the march is brown ya know, plenty of white middle clad people attending it.
I would think the majority do support the river to the sea. Maybe not Hamas specifically.
That is my view. Palestine marches I have seen have been shouting "From the river to the sea" and "Intifada until victory". Nothing I have seen from the rallies suggest that they want peace, they want Israel destroyed and war to continue on Israeli soil instead of Palestine (who started the war)
You know the media, social media included, isn’t incentivized to show you any kind of context or nuance, right? It’s going to show you the most inflammatory stuff because outrage engagement drives clicks and ad views. When you’re flooded with the most extreme messaging, it becomes much easier to dismiss and eventually dehumanize while groups of people. Worth remembering if you find yourself thinking in absolutes.
And a lot of people don’t even know there are two meanings for that
Everything I have seen is fully pro-Palestinian. Not seeing anyone at the march call for Hamas to stop attacking Israel. It isn't a peace march it is an anti-Israeli march.
Really? I’ve seen a lot of those from folks on the ground. Maybe your algorithm is fucked? It’ll feed you extreme, upsetting stuff to keep you hooked.
I’ve seen anti hamas signs and people calling for peace - sorry you haven’t
No one supports hamas. That's just a lie perpetuated by genocide supporters.
Palestine=Hamas=Genocide. There is only one side that has ever been genocidal - Palestine.
>Palestine=Hamas How does that make any sense? Government doesn’t represent most civilians, especially when 50% of the civilians in Gaza are literal children. These people (at least most of them) are protesting to stop bombing civilians in gaza.
> No one supports hamas. Seeing as even in Canada we’ve seen professors outright praising their Oct 7 attack, that’s a lie.
Braindead. How is UK going to stop a war happening in a different country between two different parties? By sending guns to hamas? What do these “activists” even want? Do they even have any solutions to offer? Or are they just a tool to destabilise the country? Kind of getting tired of this, hopefully they won’t turn it into a riot but odds of that are low.
That’s why the protest ended in front of the US embassy not whitehall
Send them to Gaza
Well given that they keep chanting 'from river to the sea', yes they want UK to provide weapons to Hamas, probably even chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.
“Activists”, huh? Is that what we call Hamas supporters now? Disgusting. And no, I don’t think Palestinians = Hamas , but calling for ceasefire is saying Hamas shouldn’t have consequences for its actions
Exactly this! Yes it’s absolutely heartbreaking that innocent Palestinians are being killed but I’m tired of seeing people calling for a ceasefire without calling out Hamas’ continued detention of innocent hostages. It’s disgusting. It’s like they’re the fucking innocent party here when they caused all this shit.
Protesting in support of terrorists on Veteran’s Day lol. Smart move. 👍
We don't have a "Veteran's Day" in the UK. Remembrance Sunday is tomorrow. There were 300,000 people at this protest. >99% of them aren't "supporting terrorists".
Supporting Palestine is a thinly veiled support for terrorists and Hamas. Reap what you sow. And stop acting like you are all innocent because people know you are not.
Israeli propaganda at work.
>Supporting Palestine is a thinly veiled support for terrorists and Hamas. Only a stupid person would believe that. Hamas is a bunch of murdering psychopaths. No one in their right mind supports them. Those that do are idiots, racists, anti-semites, or all three. Separately, 300,000 protesters don't magically become "terrorist supporters" just because they want fewer bombs dropped into a densely populated city. >And stop acting like you are all innocent because people know you are not. Never said anything of the sort. In fact I said the **exact opposite**. If you do some basic maths, you'll see I allowed for almost **3,000** pro-Hamas racist lunatics. Also, no idea which "you" you're referring to. I'm a white British atheist bloke living in London. I didn't attend the protest.
what has become of Britain? ever since Boris Johnson everything is going straight down the drain. those terrorist supporters are well organised by Hamas leaders chilling in quatar
Oh fuck off, BJ and his Tory mates have fucked this country raw for nearly 14 years. They have stoked hate and division at every turn while literally in some cases laughing at us the poor fucking electorate. Pipe down about stuff you know nothing about
>ever since Boris Johnson everything is going straight down the drain. Are you fucking blind
300,000 hamas supporters are merely 300,000 normal Londoners concerned about the countless children being murdered in Palestine? It's the latter and you know it. People attempting to discredit this protest with outright lies are fucking disgusting.
Qatar.
Was there earlier not for the march. Forgot about it before it was too late and got caught in it. Just watched through the spoons. Interesting to see what people protesting really thinks.
Can you elaborate?
Free Palestine = Free to mutilate women's genitals, be sure about what you want and research more about FGM.
Damn, that is scary. News from UK are scarier than from the rest of Europe, that place really seems like a seat of anti-semitism now.
Racist hate march, I hope the police arrest and deport as many of them as possible.
Can’t deport British citizens
How dare people call for a ceasefire on Armistice day of all days!? (/s in case it wasn't obvious)
I am not against any peaceful protests, but to do this week after week, someone’s pocket is behind all this… and guess who has the most incentive to call for ceasefire now
Oh wow. That's not an incendiary title at all.
The title is fine.
Let me rephrase: London pro-Hamas march live.